LotV feels like blizzard developed the game with a meta already in mind. i am glad that we now have an alternative that actually has a great chance of taking of in korea.
This. The micro during the bust was while awesome most people could do similiar on higher levels. What makes it godlike is Bisu perfectly macroing behind it.
For the people who are not familiar with Starcraft, the entire collections of control Bisu demonstrated above is dead crazy even at the top professional level.
Actually, this is not very hard to do when Terran do not have any units within attack range of the dragoons. Once at 2 minutes he did it with vultures there, and thats tough because you actually have to tell the dragoons to attack the mine. The really impressive part of this kind of micro comes when P do not know the exact location of the mines, and have to select them instantly instead of just attack+move :)
I said the entire collection of control he demonstrated. Anyone can mimic single control hack with enough practice. What Bisu did while dominating Terran is just crazy.
It's still hard to do because you have to move back just before mine pops up then hold position. You have to do that consistently because 1 mine detonation means the harass is done if they have a tank. Bisu queues up his actions here. He moves in just a tiny bit then moves back just a tiny bit then hold position. He isn't killing those mines with reflex but with pure muscle memory and mechanical precision. This move takes years to master and perform it as a habit. It's just pleasure to watch someone like Bisu play.
I still think some people are missing the point of this. Yes the micro of killing mines is good, but lots of non-pro players are able to do that. Killing siege tanks and keeping terran from amassing them is standard PvT, and he did a good job. He also didn't let his dragoons get surrounded by vultures to lay mines around them, which was good. But the amazing thing of all of this is that he did all of this simultaneously while macroing, expanding, teching up to reavers/observers, and blocking his natural choke point to prevent vulture counter-harass (you can see it on the mini-map right before the gg).
@@zergling921 Effort came onto the scene so late. He is very underrated. Although I love the Jaedong hype, I think Effort was the best Zerg player in the world.
Protoss in SC1 always had this elegant approach of expensive but strong, quality vs numbers. They are the final challenge for any pro micro gamer. Awesome video.
@@venomsouls4478 I have a feeling that there are less "ultimate", game ending spells and Protoss units are less expensive and less strong compared to Terran end Zerg. For examples: - Siege Tank had more damage - Defiler spells... - Spawn broodling - Arbiter - tanky original Zealots Again, it's just a feeling rather than a fact-supported opinion. But I SC2 was designed from the begifnning with e-sport in mind. They removed a lot of things which are... how should I say? Too rough. What do you think?
A bit irrelevant but those curious about the music being played at the end of the video, it's "Our Last Night - Broken Lives" Also damn good micro from sSak!
Few people noticed it but in the beginning (00:01-00:02) You can see Bisu not only microing those Goons like hell but You can actually see him QUEUING next Probe in the meantime which is sick! I think Day9 mentioned it in one of his videos.
+Hossein Maroufi Do you even know how to keep your interceptors from docking so that they all fly out at once when you start an engagement? Do you even know which range interceptors will launch to attack and which range they will return to the carrier? I'm a Zerg player but I at least understand the basics of Protoss micro
Just correcting the commentator, It is "hold control", not patrol. Dragoon step forward and, still can pick up a mine with a hold, without pulling back. However, so-called "tekken move" prevents dragoon from hitting other units in their range so that all dragoons aim for mine with certainty.
Yea man you can even tell when you look closer to the panel, he is using hold but for some reason commentators stuck in "patrol gives you fastest attack" thingy, i think that thing is only for muta micro? spreat, not spread etc.. :3
If you try to hold then you will be less successful because first its slower, and second, the Dragoons frequently freeze when doing this. Attack-move or patrol is how its done. I don't know ifthe Dragoon-AI has been improved since I last played
phatbengt Bisu was using hold though I'm pretty sure. And no the Dragoon AI has not improved, they are still as dumb as they were always and they will always be haha. I hate it when they get stuck by using hold.
I'm not familiar with Hold command, but Patrol command makes you kite with vultures very smoothly and it is my favored way. I think it works for dragoons too.
You can clearly hear that he Is disgusted that protoss can win with just dragoons. Even saying. "Thats the end of It" " what aré you doing budy" "he Is gonna lose those dragoons ".
Insane level of multitasking.. It is so unbelievably hard to be so precise with such speed... killing mines with goons without an observer, while macroing up your expo and building reavers.. just wow! :)
0:42 It is hold, actually. If you use the patroll command, it would be like: 1→p→left click to empty ground But, if you use the hold command, you get: 1→h In conculusion, using hold button is quite faster, due to distance from button 1 and p, and an additional click. sorry for poor eng. I'm kor
Tell me how that comment is stupid instead of just troll commenting If sc1 is more difficult over all, then all the best players of sc1 could kill it in sc2 as well wouldn't they ? And sc2 pays better nowadays doesn't it?
They all have to wear makeup in the studio, otherwise when you sweat (from all the heat from the strong stage lights) you become too shiny from all the lights. They all go through a makeup routine where the makeup artist puts powder on them before the show. It's the same with any TV show.
Pretty solid dragoon micro! There are a number of UMS maps that pit you up against mines as Dragoons like this, I'd highly recommend trying them out if you want to want to be able to do this - playing Sniper RPG maps that feature mines also helps, directly a+clicking on a mine just as it unburrows can achieve this effect.
this game unpatched, "unbalanced" requires way more skill and control than sc2. I love the fact that they updated graphics, leave the game untouched besides the visuals. I love new remastered matches.
Artificial intelligence has a long way to go still. It can't micro like Bisu... yet. People are trying though. Look up the SSCAIT. Top bots are Krasi0 and Iron (both terran). Top protoss are Tscmoop and Bereaver.
I've seen this type of micro done by AI since quite a long time ago. Not long after it was first possible to be done (when BWAPI was developed). There's far more inhuman micro that bots can do than this. They can control multiple individual units manually and simultaneously which is literally impossible for a human to do. Also what's really impressive is the sort of stuff being done that is more than merely mechanical, by OpenAI. It can easily beat every one of the best players in the world reliably at DOTA 1v1 mid. It has amazing super-human mechanics, but also very optimized tactics.
arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/01/skynet-meets-the-swarm-how-the-berkeley-overmind-won-the-2010-starcraft-ai-competition/ might be what Mshojat is talking about. Note that this is a pre-neural network AI, and that the team specifically went with zerg and Mutalisks. Not sure if has done Dragoons, since inifinite micro factors the sky.
I'm glad to know he uses hold for this. I been using hold for this and was wondering if I was doing it correct. It seems only vultures and mutas use patrol attack. Protoss doesnt really need patrol attacks. Only to patrol an area.
The commentator is so wrong here. BIsu is not using patrol. All Bisu is doing here is forward-back-hold, forward-back-hold etc. This is just a three-key combo. What's more impressive is that he was able to make a reaver while doing this combo.
I know this is 3 years late, but heard Artosis say that Nal_Ra was still playing, nowhere near as good as he was before, of course. My favourite player ever
He built that to block the road so that vultures cannot penetrate it and cause damage within his base. You can see that he adds observatory as soon as he sees that the enemy's vulture take off from their base, headed to his own base. On checking it again, it seems the observatory he built for blocking the road is actually his first one.
LEAVE LOTV AND PLAY REMASTERED!!!
NO!!!!!!!!!!!
LEGACY IS SOOOO MUCH BETTER!
legacy is garbage
AMEN!
LotV feels like blizzard developed the game with a meta already in mind.
i am glad that we now have an alternative that actually has a great chance of taking of in korea.
Look at 1:33 and slow it down frame by frame. Bisu actually made a reaver while sniping the spider-mine.
OH MY GOD HE'S SO GOOD
Yes bro now i see 😄👏👍thx
amazing...
ok.. i could micro like that.. not so perfectly but i could.. but I will not be able to do what he just did there.. one word: PRO!!!
This. The micro during the bust was while awesome most people could do similiar on higher levels. What makes it godlike is Bisu perfectly macroing behind it.
Dragoon: "Make use of me."
Bisu:
Bisu: yes
"Awaiting instructions"
Bisu: forward a step NO BACK! FIRREEEE!!!
this was great watching live, but from bisu's perspective it's even more impressive when you see how amazingly he multitasks
Alexander Neufeldt spider hands
Bisu micro its fucking godlike
Yeah, we all watched the video.
Esteban Francisco But Flash was better.
It is the fact that he can do the micro and the macro at the same time , that is the amazing part.
For the people who are not familiar with Starcraft, the entire collections of control Bisu demonstrated above is dead crazy even at the top professional level.
Actually, this is not very hard to do when Terran do not have any units within attack range of the dragoons.
Once at 2 minutes he did it with vultures there, and thats tough because you actually have to tell the dragoons to attack the mine.
The really impressive part of this kind of micro comes when P do not know the exact location of the mines, and have to select them instantly instead of just attack+move :)
I said the entire collection of control he demonstrated. Anyone can mimic single control hack with enough practice.
What Bisu did while dominating Terran is just crazy.
It's still hard to do because you have to move back just before mine pops up then hold position. You have to do that consistently because 1 mine detonation means the harass is done if they have a tank.
Bisu queues up his actions here. He moves in just a tiny bit then moves back just a tiny bit then hold position. He isn't killing those mines with reflex but with pure muscle memory and mechanical precision. This move takes years to master and perform it as a habit. It's just pleasure to watch someone like Bisu play.
I still think some people are missing the point of this.
Yes the micro of killing mines is good, but lots of non-pro players are able to do that.
Killing siege tanks and keeping terran from amassing them is standard PvT, and he did a good job.
He also didn't let his dragoons get surrounded by vultures to lay mines around them, which was good.
But the amazing thing of all of this is that he did all of this simultaneously while macroing, expanding, teching up to reavers/observers, and blocking his natural choke point to prevent vulture counter-harass (you can see it on the mini-map right before the gg).
Also keep in mind he's using old school BW keybinds where the Patrol shortcut 'P' is located on the other side of the keyboard.
Nothing triggers the BW nostalgia like a screamo outro after a game ends.
Flash the God of Terran, Jaedong the God of Zerg and Bisu the God of Protoss.
It is known.
I think soulkey is a better zerg in modern day broodwar. He is just more consistent.
김정우 effort is better I think. But he's gone.
@@zergling921 Effort came onto the scene so late. He is very underrated. Although I love the Jaedong hype, I think Effort was the best Zerg player in the world.
I love effort.
I vote for Effort with all respect to Jaedong. Also, Queen maybe?
Protoss in SC1 always had this elegant approach of expensive but strong, quality vs numbers. They are the final challenge for any pro micro gamer. Awesome video.
That's true. In SC2 the races are more similar somehow.
@@nemigazhogynincsszab In which way are they more similiar if I may ask? :)
@@venomsouls4478 I have a feeling that there are less "ultimate", game ending spells and Protoss units are less expensive and less strong compared to Terran end Zerg.
For examples:
- Siege Tank had more damage
- Defiler spells...
- Spawn broodling
- Arbiter
- tanky original Zealots
Again, it's just a feeling rather than a fact-supported opinion.
But I SC2 was designed from the begifnning with e-sport in mind. They removed a lot of things which are... how should I say? Too rough.
What do you think?
A bit irrelevant but those curious about the music being played at the end of the video, it's "Our Last Night - Broken Lives"
Also damn good micro from sSak!
Song at the end is Our Last Night - Broken lives.
Few people noticed it but in the beginning (00:01-00:02) You can see Bisu not only microing those Goons like hell but You can actually see him QUEUING next Probe in the meantime which is sick! I think Day9 mentioned it in one of his videos.
that's pure insanity
That was some of the best micro I’ve ever seen.
Its been so long. Yet im still amazed by this. Jaedong. Bisu. Stork. Flash . You guys were the greatest
Still best
Just say TaekBangLeeSang.
This showed up on my feed again. Simply amazing.
Oh, and I love how you can hear the Dragoon's Phase Disrupter explosions from anywhere in the map :D
Bisu will always be my favorite player
Alex Friedman well u r right but carriers needs the least micro
+Hossein Maroufi
Do you even know how to keep your interceptors from docking so that they all fly out at once when you start an engagement?
Do you even know which range interceptors will launch to attack and which range they will return to the carrier?
I'm a Zerg player but I at least understand the basics of Protoss micro
Yeah.. It actually is VERY important if you go for a carrier build. Its the difference of winning and loosing going carriers.
FinetalPies i just said carriers doesn't need that micro u were talking about im pretty sure golaith micro is much harder to kill the carriers with
who needs fucking observers if you've got bisu's hands
Just correcting the commentator, It is "hold control", not patrol. Dragoon step forward and, still can pick up a mine with a hold, without pulling back. However, so-called "tekken move" prevents dragoon from hitting other units in their range so that all dragoons aim for mine with certainty.
Yea man you can even tell when you look closer to the panel, he is using hold but for some reason commentators stuck in "patrol gives you fastest attack" thingy, i think that thing is only for muta micro? spreat, not spread etc.. :3
+Enoged Patrol does start attack animations one frame faster, but they require an additional click so hold position is the better option 9/10
If you try to hold then you will be less successful because first its slower, and second, the Dragoons frequently freeze when doing this. Attack-move or patrol is how its done.
I don't know ifthe Dragoon-AI has been improved since I last played
phatbengt Bisu was using hold though I'm pretty sure. And no the Dragoon AI has not improved, they are still as dumb as they were always and they will always be haha. I hate it when they get stuck by using hold.
I'm not familiar with Hold command, but Patrol command makes you kite with vultures very smoothly and it is my favored way. I think it works for dragoons too.
Is starcraft coming back?!
Aloof Musician remastered broodwar is almost out
do you think it will bring the pros back and the players? considering that it's harder than sc2
They both have a skill ceiling which is impossible to reach.
pros came back 1 year ago already
lol no
Artosis seems less angry about Protoss being awesome than normal, though I guess it's different when not playing...
I feel like it's the "angry upvote". "It's so disgusting that you can do so much with that god-tier skill, I hate it." :D
You can clearly hear that he Is disgusted that protoss can win with just dragoons. Even saying. "Thats the end of It" " what aré you doing budy" "he Is gonna lose those dragoons ".
I miss this sort of tournament. I find it very cool to be seeing what they are doing eye for eye.
Insane level of multitasking.. It is so unbelievably hard to be so precise with such speed... killing mines with goons without an observer, while macroing up your expo and building reavers.. just wow! :)
2017-04-14? I could have sworn I saw this sort of thing along with the same commentary many years ago.
0:42
It is hold, actually.
If you use the patroll command, it would be like:
1→p→left click to empty ground
But, if you use the hold command, you get:
1→h
In conculusion, using hold button is quite faster, due to distance from button 1 and p, and an additional click.
sorry for poor eng. I'm kor
They're talking about the frame difference, not how fast your fingers can move. The units wait less frames when you use patrol than when you use hold.
you're wrong.
Yeah that's true. You don't need to use patrol with Protoss. Only for muta and Vulture.
damn seeing Bisu microing his dragoons is like watching Steve Vai playing Tender Surrender. Awesome!
You can see in the UI that Bisu is using Hold Position when killing the mines.
Bisu in his prime was untouchable
One of the best protoss legendary players we've ever seen & a player who was closest to the ultimate level of protoss
His power is overwhelming
DAMN I didn't know how good SC1 was, I thought SC2 scaled well with skill, but now after I watch this...
then why the best players of sc2 and sc1 are different? i think both games are just difficult in different ways
Tell me how that comment is stupid instead of just troll commenting
If sc1 is more difficult over all, then all the best players of sc1 could kill it in sc2 as well wouldn't they ? And sc2 pays better nowadays doesn't it?
i don't remember hero gumiho zest (just to give you an example) being THE best players in sc1 ...
but they weren't the best, i mean you could count scarlet as a top tier player as well according to that logic but she is far from being the best
i'm tired of sc1 elitists -_- sigh ...
The most impressive part is when he builds a probe while doing this nearly impossible move at the same time!
The legend of Bisu still lives on
3:19 did he use make up!?
i think they all have makeup, i know the casters do (because tv)
They all have to wear makeup in the studio, otherwise when you sweat (from all the heat from the strong stage lights) you become too shiny from all the lights. They all go through a makeup routine where the makeup artist puts powder on them before the show. It's the same with any TV show.
Pretty solid dragoon micro! There are a number of UMS maps that pit you up against mines as Dragoons like this, I'd highly recommend trying them out if you want to want to be able to do this - playing Sniper RPG maps that feature mines also helps, directly a+clicking on a mine just as it unburrows can achieve this effect.
Name of UMS?
@Sato, where can I find these UMS maps? (... I'm too lazy to search on liquipedia lol)
Bisu is SO FAST that you literally cannot see him select initially the bottom 2 GOONS to move slighty back unless you slow it to HALF SPEED!!!!
The greatest and more beautiful thing I've ever seen.
There will never be another Broodwar, but there will be Sc3 and Sc4 and people will forget about that garbage Sc2
Disaster level:Dragon.
Dragon?
Dragoon*
(One Punch Man reference)
"OMG There's a dragoon in the natural!"
I suddenly had a flashback to the video of the Honey Badger being narrated.
I hope remastered catches on.
The man-love from Tasteless at 1:36. Epic.
2:14 He realised he wont be able to save the dragoon and he pulled it towards the scv’s
that mine kill at 2:34 is nuts
This is why brood war>sc2
Tbh yes I love brood war way better in mechanics but since sc2 has cool graphic......sorry brood war.
@@lordlopikong6940 sorry brood war i have to play with the cool graphic big pile of shit game
this game unpatched, "unbalanced" requires way more skill and control than sc2. I love the fact that they updated graphics, leave the game untouched besides the visuals. I love new remastered matches.
Brood War is the most balanced RTS made.
That control has no fucking chill.
I love the sounds the audience makes when he snipes the mines haha
Shit, I've already liked this video?! Damn I'm old
It's from 2017 which isn't too bad for a sc1 video. I came here after watching a clip from 2007 lol
I thought the title meant Bisu said "dragoons don't suck. You suck" in the video. :(
Is there way to watch fpvvods with Tastosis casting like this? Id love to watch 2 perspectives side by side too
Man do I love this game
One of the reasons why SC1 is better than SC2. Micro can change the tide in SC1
Holy fuck. Seriously impressive the complexity of micro in BW. Truly one of the best sports of all time.
Bisu is n genius, perfect micro
1:28에 셔틀소리듣고 리버누르는거 바라 지려버려따
All Possessed 와 지금보니까 그렇네요
We need a part 2 of him doing this in ASL S11 group eliminations.
notice how he kills the mines right before they hit him, if those aren't reflexes i don't know what is
Artificial intelligence has a long way to go still. It can't micro like Bisu... yet.
People are trying though.
Look up the SSCAIT.
Top bots are Krasi0 and Iron (both terran). Top protoss are Tscmoop and Bereaver.
Nathan Gamble Actually, it can. It's just Blizzard's AI player that can't.
I've seen this type of micro done by AI since quite a long time ago. Not long after it was first possible to be done (when BWAPI was developed).
There's far more inhuman micro that bots can do than this. They can control multiple individual units manually and simultaneously which is literally impossible for a human to do.
Also what's really impressive is the sort of stuff being done that is more than merely mechanical, by OpenAI. It can easily beat every one of the best players in the world reliably at DOTA 1v1 mid. It has amazing super-human mechanics, but also very optimized tactics.
Mshojat This is just not true.
arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/01/skynet-meets-the-swarm-how-the-berkeley-overmind-won-the-2010-starcraft-ai-competition/ might be what Mshojat is talking about.
Note that this is a pre-neural network AI, and that the team specifically went with zerg and Mutalisks.
Not sure if has done Dragoons, since inifinite micro factors the sky.
Also, I am very curious to see AIs playing with an action-per minute limitation, so it because a question of using those clicks wisely.
I'm glad to know he uses hold for this. I been using hold for this and was wondering if I was doing it correct. It seems only vultures and mutas use patrol attack. Protoss doesnt really need patrol attacks. Only to patrol an area.
Agree. This is the right way to do it for P players.
Patrol is better if you need to target the mines specifically. Doing it out in the open like this means hold is easier (and is still fast enough).
Anyone know the song played in the background at the end of the video?
And that is how widow mines should work in SC2.
Watched on 0.5 speed.
10/10
The Revolutionist.
Me first started playing SC: I'll be the next champion
Me after watching Korean Pros: never mind
I totally accept the tittle of this video... jezz!!!
Seeing this game live gave me nerd chills.
The commentator is so wrong here. BIsu is not using patrol. All Bisu is doing here is forward-back-hold, forward-back-hold etc. This is just a three-key combo. What's more impressive is that he was able to make a reaver while doing this combo.
Yo this Bisu guy is kinda good at the game or what ?
1:03
kek
Why doesn't he siege the tanks? Does the upgrade take forever to research? Sorry i dont play BW.
This is a show !!
Bisu is always one of the best P user
Wuts the music at the end?
So who won this? Bisu or other guy?
Bisu won
Thank you!
that guy talking wet his pants with those dragoon moves
music pls
LOL broodwar is back can't believe it
What to take away from this is how seldom he goes back to base. Hotkeys ftw.
Dude's a freakin' water dancer.
Bisu: Mines? Stop, dude. Just stop.
Bisu is the best protoss ever! btw what happened to Nal_Ra?
I know this is 3 years late, but heard Artosis say that Nal_Ra was still playing, nowhere near as good as he was before, of course. My favourite player ever
3:10 please help what music at
He accidentally created two observation posts or whatever they're called here.
Just notcied that on second watch-through.
He built that to block the road so that vultures cannot penetrate it and cause damage within his base. You can see that he adds observatory as soon as he sees that the enemy's vulture take off from their base, headed to his own base.
On checking it again, it seems the observatory he built for blocking the road is actually his first one.
insanely goon control 😃😃😃
Why this in my recommend XD
WOW that was incredible.. Bisu is a God
Back when protoss needed micro
Ah yes,let me just put *more* mines in front of my enemies. Surely that'll work
Bisu translates to Beastmode in English.
Which event is this? Was it recent?
a Omg youre so out of date, ASL Seasons 1 2 and 3 (2016-2017) look for them im the Afreeca Tv channel
worth a watch, seriously
"ASL 2017-05-14" it says it in the title. For fuck sakes, could you read more than you type?
a He is right that was added later
that was some sick micro
Vultures do full damage to plasma shields, so four Vultures can deplete the shield pool with micro and tanks take them meanwhile.
Nice make-up. Lookin' super pretty bro.
This game is older than these kids.
These "kids" have been playing since they were actually kids. Unlike you, kid.
Careful, they eat a lot of bugs in asia.
Nice Dragoon Micro you have there, would be a shame that Shine beat you.
More impressive than anything Flash has ever done.
That was awesome!
The game thet define what strategy genre is.
just forget everything and listen to tastosis from 1:27 to 1:47 on 0.25 speed
Mate, they are called "siege" tanks for a reason. Not Tanks.
amazing
Who pressed thumb down on this?! Someone with 20-30 apm probably.