If you would have spent that year working out instead of procrastinating on painting your subs, you would have been able to lift those subs much easier. 🤣 Just kidding bro. Love the attention to detail in all of your projects. I definitely admire your woodworking skills. Thx for the shoutout to the Youthman Crew. Keep up the great work. Some claim online demos are dangerous. Maybe dangerous to your health. 😀
Ha! Can't wait til we get together... I'm gonna let you attempt to pull one of these out 😉 Hope we can get some more guys in the community! Thanks Michael 😁👍
I think double thickness on the whole box is overkill and just adds excess weight. Bracing every 8-10 inches will provide enough strength to keep box resonance to a minimum. Using plywood would save weight, but costs much more. Plus the end grain will need a little work to prep before painting
Thank you so much for the shoutout!! Your theater is so amazing :) You are the reason my gf is going to leave me when I plop in 4 24" subs for a future build. You are an inspiration to all bass lovers out there. I can't wait to reach Life of Bliss levels of bass. Thanks again :) Also so glad you've started using BEQ, it really is a game changer and yes, aaron and zach are two of the best people i've never even met in real life! Salt of the Earth.
They are definitely great poeple... and not a problem man! You did a great video explaining it. I didn't want to get into too much detail just for time, so I figured yours was the one to link 😉 as far as the GF... gotta start making deals. My second motorcycle (now sold lol) was in exchange for our son 😂🤣😂 maybe when the ring comes for her, so do a few 24s??? If you ever mention this to her, I'll deny even knowing you... Appreciate the kind words man. I think you're going to do well on your channel with your content and style. Keep up the hard work!
@@LifeofBliss Would B interesting 4 U 2 do something with a pair of say Eminence Omega or whatever around 7mm Xmax 1 way, in big ported enclosures, driven by a Behringer EP2500. Thank me later after you $ell all your BulL$hit that sounds worse =)) Class D & 'heavy woofers' R a joke. This is coming from somebody familiar with the stuff. Yes I've compared stuff like that directly = they R 'slow' = less slam & clarity, etc. They're 2 stiff & heavy & all the extra travel involved, & sealed boxes??? Really? WTF R U thinking throwing away more than half their potential that way? CRAZY! =))
Thanks for the BEQ shout out! It's nice to see the wider adoption. It's easy to lose track at times that more people then just a couple of us are using it. Honestly it gives a little energy for the data cleanup that I've been doing for it and for the new app that I've been working on. In my head it's been just for myself so seeing others is a plus.
You made the original app right? And have the deep purple cabinet 24s on AVS? I feel its definitely catching on with more people as larger sub systems become more popular... thank you for helping with the movement!!
@@LifeofBliss You're welcome. I helped a little with the BEQd app but that was mostly d00d. I started and maintain the repo. Currently I just added metadata to every file for the BEQ Catalog and I'm working on an iPhone/iPad app it.
You're right about the rollers... its much better to spray. But a couple tips I have regarding the finish of Duratex with rollers... Use a 9" roller with a very thin foam profile, the little rollers are only good for small speakers and tight areas. Coat evenly without worrying about the streaks, wait 5-10 minutes (less in hot/dry environment), then roll in one direction only, overlapping about an inch as you go. Avoid extending past the edges with your roller and avoid pressing down near the edges. That will squeeze out the duratex from the foam roller unevenly and will create streaks when you go back over your work. If there are still streaks, wait a bit longer and then repeat the process, but roll in a direction 90 degrees to how you did your first "smoothing" rolls. The thin foam roller will hold less duratex and you wont waste as much when its time for cleanup. Great job, love seeing the build.
That Fury scene is my absolute favorite to crank up my system and show it off to friends, and I am just running dual Klipsch R-120SW's. I can't imagine watching that scene on your system! Keep up the great work!
@@kohnfutner9637 I've got 4 820f's, and the 34C to pair with the subs making it a 5.2 system. I'd love to go full dolby atmos but I'd need to upgrade the projector (currently 1080p Epson 3700), receiver, and add an external amp. Plus I've gone 100% digital on the movies and via Vudu you don't get dolby atmos unless you have the movie in 4K UHD. So someday I know that I am going to have to invest another $6-8K to get there but I am waiting for bright True 4K projectors to be a thing.
Mannnnnnn You Loaded!!!!!! Wow thats one kick ass home and set up you have, you've been blessed and have done well Very lucky. Thank you for sharing its an absolute privilege. If I win the lottery I could have this
I’m thinking of getting rid of the SVS sb3000s and doing diy subs like you have they are monsters and love the centre how it just sits so nice in there wicked setup you have talent keep it up 👌💪
great video man, run a slow sweep from about 40 hz down to 20 hz showing frequency / sound pressure level in real time. That shows what subs can do. People who say "Oh you shouldn't do that" are worried their subs can't handle it or will reveal a problem.
@@LifeofBliss I didn't call you any names man. I will tell you what though, when Im delivering in the hood I feel sorry for the kids of the sorry parents that have their sorry loud car stereos all turned up with their little babies in them. Those subs look like they stroke pretty hard. Have you done a HZ sweep to see what they are tuned too? Where they roll of at? I have a set of old Cerwin Vega LS15 and they have no problem picking up 25hz. I have those on top a set of Klipsch R-115sw and they defiantly pick up the 18hz they are rated for.
@@nova467spanker oh I know you didn't, I was just saying I wouldn't do that to them lol. Thats unfortunate for those kids for sure... I've done sweeps, was flat within a few dB from 7 Hz at about 120 dB up to 100 Hz. I think thats in my previous video about these actually
Really looks great now! I have been following you for a year or so. Great build and also, thanks for turning me on to the Sinbosen amps. I built two 218 cabs for my band's PA. Will be using the same amp that you have. My 18's will do 136 db at 37 hz, continuous and 139 db peak. Love the channel!
Devil Bis!! That's to much fun, you seem smart enough to know the correct enunciation. You have a talent...I like where your mind goes! Great projects. Keep up the Awesome Work .
Hey man, thank you for introducing me to Sinbosen. I got the fp2200q to drive a pair of 18Sound in a reflex box. Not for home theater though - my DJ setup. Them things are BEAST at half the price of crowns, yamaha, QSC
You have it right about having lots of compressor if you are painting. Many years ago I was locking up the body shop I worked at when we heard a rocket-like noise. We were about 200M from an airport runway, so we though it was something there. But when we drove around to see what it was, the noise was coming from our back door! We ran back to the front. We found a 1" PVC air line had pulled out of a fitting, ripped of the wall and wedged against the ceiling. The painter we left in the BlowTherm didn't even notice anything wrong because he was almost deaf and we had 50HP of compressor (a 20 and a 30HP running of of one pressure switch) so even with a 1" hole the pressure stayed high enough that the restrictor at the spray gun was still the limiting factor. Now you don't need 50HP, but you will likely want more than you can run on a 110v circuit.
Great job on the system, and even more so on your gracious invitation to see and hear it (sort of - youtube). Around 19:00 or so in you began to offer links to others - and you introduced them very well. That's passing it on. congrats and I hope these do well.
Im curious about what you said at around 18:20 about taking away the house curve and giving back that chest thump. I thought that the house curve was how you got that chest thump, so i wanted to know how that was achieved with a flatter a response. And any tips i can try.
I did the house curve thing and lost a lot of chest thump (50-80 hz) because my subs were focused on playing everything below that, since it was boosted. Everything was tuned flat for the sub and then the entire sub frequency was ran hot compared to the mains.
That must sound Amazing!! The bass output at such a low Feqs must be mind blowing. Great Job! Makes me want to start building home audio shit again. lol
He's using class D (digital) amps. They all sound like $hit compared 2 regular ol' 'analog' amps like 'Class A/B' =) Even with a 'Class H' switching power supply. It's funny he spend all that $$$ on all those huge things & is complaining not getting the 'slam' he wanted, when a mere 2 X 18" PA drivers slam like crazy if U put them in big ported enclosures with just a couple hundred watts a side! This whole thing is an exercise in WA$TE!! Like 'bragging' that they WA$TE so much energy as heat, which U don't even get into the room because it's trapped in the cabinet & dissipates over many hours. & that's another thing = mount drivers so the magnets & stuff R on the OUTSIDE & things will last longer & throw better = nice cool air so less 'power compression' from hot coils =) There R so many things wrong it's just sad, but that's how $cams work in 'audiophelia' LOL
@@Deathrape2001 This guy has no idea what he is talking about. He drank a ton of snake oil and feels the need to vomit it all over us and dares to claim "audiophelia".
18:00 Your talking about SPL, but your 2 front subs have a very obscured box design, and no tubes or ports. By looking at them i can feel that you are missing out on lower frequencies because of the box design and not having 4 inch pvc tubes.
Do some more reading on sealed enclosures. Box shape has nothing to do with how much spl a speaker outputs on a sealed box. I would be really missing out on low frequencies if these were ported. They'd drop off like a rock under 20 hz ported unless the box was 5x the size. Sealed allows for lower frequencies to still have a high spl
I spray my duratex... although I did find a good roller method that looks pretty good. Small passes over after with a dryer roller.... every direction criss cross, try and leave no roller marks.... really a pain but can look great. Usually I thin the roller grade with 25% water and spray with 2.5mm LPHV.
That was so great running back from mailbox 😆. I do that to myself , crank up stereo and walk next door then my shuffle hits crazy music and I'm running 😆😆. That set up outta control cool. 💪👍
Through the box design or via sweep, have you determined a resonate frequency for the enclosures? And if so, do you have to eq it out to not be overwhelming during playback?
Everything is EQ'd pretty heavily. The subs are either done with a minidsp or with dirac live. They play flat down to 7 hz at over 115 db or over 120 db when you cut them off at about 10 hz.
Looks awesome, killer setup. You ever run a out of phase audio test to dial in setting the left and right speaker placement? Tjey seem super toed in where u can probably squeeze better imaging out of it
in a large room what do you think is most important from a sub? cone area, magnet size (b/l), or xmax? like for example, i run a lot of subs (18) in various sizes (4 15s 10 12s 2 10s 2 8s) and the boxes are all within spec ( total space in the boxes before displacement are estimated at about 22 cu ft) ( 3 of the boxes that have the 12s are tuned to 39, and 2 are tuned to 32 the 10s are tuned to 40 and the 8s 42 and the 2 boxes of 15's are tuned to 36) (they are also all wired together and have influence on each other for better or for worse. personally i think better) , but the subs are all cheapies but as a group they are capable of 4,800w rms (i do have a silly vid on my page of 15 hz i was testing for example using a taramps smart 3k wired to .4) . so tl;dr is it really worth it to get 4 expensive subs and call it a day? i have about 1k invested over the years in my wall in subs alone. currently i play from 19-73 hz with authority.
I think with a large room, its important to have at least 2 if not 4 subs to help smooth out the response. Then air displacement is whats going to get you the high spl. You can do that with a few high excursion subs or several lesser subs. I have (16) 12 inch JBLs that were $30 each that would probably yield similar results as (3) 24s, but they would also take up a lot more room down here for boxes.
@@LifeofBliss ok i understand now. would there be an advantage to more box space being used to handle the same amount of power you are on now? i know the room is also a box, but more cu ft of box for the subs is very beneficial for the room? thanks for taking the time to respond.
Its 12 gauge. Looks smaller in the video, but could definitely be bigger. Unfortunately the neutrik connectors are pretty much capped at 12 gauge and thats whats ran through the walls anyways
Nice sound system, I have a friend of mine who would build home theater sound systems and then test the equipment using the DVD movie U571 to determine if he could blow house garage doors off its tracks or shatter the neighbor's dogs eardrums for months. Your system may be equivalent.... .
No port means slower roll off, plays deeper. Boxes would have been too big in my situation for a port as well. Theres a little less output around what a ported box would be tuned at, but I wasn't worried about output with 3 24s
hey Mr. Bliss..... what kind of subwooer can i put on a denon 887... not to expensive... what would the right way to do it... passive or amped.... do car subwoofers work some how?
Pretty much any sub for home theater that can hook up with an RCA cable would work. Powered sub would be the easiest. Car subs would work fine, but depending on the model, May not dig down super deep. But you'll need an external amp, something like the crown xls series for a car sub. Powered subs are easier. svs is a great brand, OSD is another budget brand that is a good buy on sale.
I was interested in getting the mini dsp, but I didn’t understand how it worked. I am interested in getting remote help in tuning it. Do I need to get other parts along with the mini dsp? I have SVS ultra surround with SB-16, Denon & outlaw receiver and amps. Can I get more info please. 👍🏼
You can get a mini dsp to help with tuning 1 sub, but svs does have its tuning app to help. The minidsp really comes in handy when you have 2 or more subwoofers. Check out avs forums for some general info on the minidsp
The amp is ran off a 230v30a circuit. Its good for about 7k watts or a bit more. The burst power comes from all the caps. It only lasts 1-2 seconds, but for most movies and music, there are short bursts of high power requirements.
@@LifeofBliss you showed a video showing the back of the amp when you unboxed it, it's rated at 5600w, I simply don't trust the knock off amp. the specs are all over the place even on their own website, sketchy as F IMO, there is no official power rating certification.
@@2002SLPSS1991 i hear ya. Check out the avs forum link i posted in the description. The amp has been tested to nearly 4k watts rms and about 7500w peak per amp board/power supply, which there are 2. I'm going off those numbers that were tested by an individual here in the states
Lol mostly going for the bass in demo :D I love audio accuracy and insane excess bass is worthless. It often is the issue that bass drowns the other sounds under it.
You need large woofers to reproduce anything under 20 hz in homes. Everything is balanced and EQ'd, this just playes lower and louder than most systems
Hey awesome good on your set up looks so much better painted. What was the volume on you avr or pre/pro at to get the db you were showing, quite impressive.
Absolutely Beautiful....I do have one question though. I'll admit I didn't watch the whole video but, do you plan on adding speaker grills? As I was watching the subs flex I couldn't help but wonder if the flex of the subs would distract while watching movies....like catching your eye? I know I had to go to a closed cabinet for my entertainment center due to the lights on the equipment so I didn't know if the flex was enough to distract. I'm looking to do my house setup with SI next. I'm currently running 2 SQL 12s on an SIQ 1500.1 in my truck and they are some of the best sounding subs I've heard in a car.
Thanks man. You really don't see the flex since you are sitting straight in front of them. Plus it's dark with the projector, so you really don't see much of the speakers. It all kinda fades to black down below. SI makes killer stuff!
Nice video bro, But my question is " Do you think those cabinets are the most suitable for those huge speakers as design language? i think as my "humble" experience these subs need a radiator suspension to makes you feel the real bass effect , i don't think sealed boxes will does the same joy, please correct me if i am wrong , and very good you keep kids around you when you create stuff its very important to make them creative in future , good man
Thanks man. Honestly, I've never heard another system compete with this one for bass. They are very impressive speakers. I chose sealed so they would dig lower. I didn't want them falling off after a tuning frequency with a port. Passive radiators would be a good option, but it'd cost quite a bit more. They do great with a sealed enclosure
@@LifeofBliss I noticed I answered my own question as I continued to watch the video. Mad respect dude for not only building all of those, but the quality. That is legit and bad ass! I could stare at that front stage all day.
Damn is there a way to make the 1299s or 1599s anymore? DIYSG no longer seems to bother making them kits available. I got a set of Fusion 15's and they sound great.
Unfortunately I don't think they sell them anymore. They may come in stock once in a blue moon, but not sure of they still even do that. You'd have to source them out with part numbers if you're able to
Yes! GSG Audio just came out with flat packs for the 24 inch subwoofers. Check out their website for pricing and options, they'll get you hooked up! I'll have a few videos on some of their products including their 24 inch box soon!
im glad you finally got around to painting them. this build is nuts. wonder how long the drywall will be able to stay hanging on since those walls must be shaking all the nails loose.
125db@ 15hz, how much rms you pushing and was these measurement taken with all 3 subs or only 2? can these subs be used in a ported box @ 11cuft? can you take more measurements using LFE scenes like aqua man submarine scene and like interstellar?
I've pushed the limits of this system. My amp can't push the subs as hard as they can go, so I'm limited by that. I dont go full tilt all the time, but its fun every now and then for demos
how do you like them in a sealed box.?..there is a company in canada called mach5 audio that has some 21inch subs that im thinking of trying...what are your thoughts.....?
Mach5 still making subs? I thought they went out of business a while back... not saying that as an insult. I tried reaching out a few years ago and someone told me they were out of business. Sealed is the way to go for home theater if you're going with a 21 or 24 in my opinion. You don't need the extra output from a ported box, these get stupid loud with good power. Box size gets ridiculous with ported, increase difficulty in a build, possible port chuffing... best thing is sealed boxes get LOW where ported falls off at some point. I've measure near 120 db at 7 hz. Smaller subs do well in ported enclosures where you need that extra output. I don't find it necessary with the ultra large drivers
@@LifeofBliss Yeah, I know, seen the Video, Believe me when I say, They're a waste of money! People who Own them and say otherwise are fooling themselves because they're overpriced and they have to live with the decision! I've had mine for about 4 years now and I'm running them on the Monolith HTP-1 and through the PLD4.5 for the front stage (fkn Horrible) The build Quality is there, I've calibrated them over and over, pretty flat so ok but the sound so hollow and BOXY. Might Finally go your route and build my own and sell this overpriced junk, They only start to sound god when you're pumping the Shit outta them. Maybe a Rainbow front stage setup? Or Morel?
Hey, great video. So, EQ, what was the thought process? To EQ more to a flat curve that does rise? Or was there some room curve involve? Did you add a room curve in after? I'd love to know, and does it sound better? Thanks.
So they preferred doing more of a flat response for the subs with a very quick rise around the crossover point. That way you have more of your chest slam (40-60 hz) while still getting that super low bass. It worked out very well
Okay. I'm using +8db, but I'm using a slow rise to about 30hz with a 0.7 Q. To raise it very quickly after 80hz would require a pretty aggressive Q, maybe a Q of 1? Do you have a video of the EQ or do they have videos about that EQ style? I'd love to see it. @@LifeofBliss
I do not have any video or pics of the graph after it was done unfortunately... and this was all done at my last place. I just remember it was bumped pretty quickly around 80-100 hz depending on crossover (mine was 90) and it was pretty flat after the bump
That front stage is absolutely killer now. Everything is on point from the screen and LED backlight to the LCR and subwoofers. If I may make 1 small suggestion, I think a 4th 24" subwoofer is called for in this situation ;P! You might as well balance it out, I mean odd numbers are bad luck...just sayin :). Great work man!
This is what I call 'attention to detail', I liked it, one of the most beautiful systems I've seen lately!
These are the type of videos that I can’t believe are free to watch 😂 so much work into that system
It took a few hours 😉 thanks man!
lol, I guess there's no such thing as "too much" subwoofer... The house's foundation is getting a workout. Great job, mate!
There never is and never will be the harder it hits the more immersive and scarier during horror movies :D
Makes me shed tears of joy... I wish I had this setup.. im pretty darn jelly
What is the wire gauge on those subs ? You should upgrade the wires inside the subs, they look thin...
Its 12 gauge. Looks smaller in the video. Wish it could be larger but thats what I ran through the walls and all that the neutrik connectors accept
If you would have spent that year working out instead of procrastinating on painting your subs, you would have been able to lift those subs much easier. 🤣
Just kidding bro. Love the attention to detail in all of your projects. I definitely admire your woodworking skills.
Thx for the shoutout to the Youthman Crew. Keep up the great work.
Some claim online demos are dangerous. Maybe dangerous to your health. 😀
Ha! Can't wait til we get together... I'm gonna let you attempt to pull one of these out 😉 Hope we can get some more guys in the community! Thanks Michael 😁👍
Don't fall for the trap of trying to lift one. I threw my back out for 3 weeks lifting mine out solo. :)
Eh you can do it Michael! You need to FEEL the bass! In you low back. As a possible herniation... 😅
Michael you need some 24” subwoofers 🔊 🔊🔊🔊 in your Theater .
it's the one and only youth man big Daddy
Holy crap, making your towers act like passive radiators! Awesome setup, looks great and I bet it sounds even better!
One of the best looking home theater setups in my opinion. I can only imagine how good it sounds. Liked this video and am a new subscriber.
Appreciate it Tom!
@@LifeofBliss What is your thinking about using Birch plywood versus the MDF? Also would double thickness 3/4" sheets overkill?
I think double thickness on the whole box is overkill and just adds excess weight. Bracing every 8-10 inches will provide enough strength to keep box resonance to a minimum. Using plywood would save weight, but costs much more. Plus the end grain will need a little work to prep before painting
Thank you so much for the shoutout!! Your theater is so amazing :) You are the reason my gf is going to leave me when I plop in 4 24" subs for a future build. You are an inspiration to all bass lovers out there. I can't wait to reach Life of Bliss levels of bass. Thanks again :) Also so glad you've started using BEQ, it really is a game changer and yes, aaron and zach are two of the best people i've never even met in real life! Salt of the Earth.
They are definitely great poeple... and not a problem man! You did a great video explaining it. I didn't want to get into too much detail just for time, so I figured yours was the one to link 😉 as far as the GF... gotta start making deals. My second motorcycle (now sold lol) was in exchange for our son 😂🤣😂 maybe when the ring comes for her, so do a few 24s??? If you ever mention this to her, I'll deny even knowing you...
Appreciate the kind words man. I think you're going to do well on your channel with your content and style. Keep up the hard work!
@@LifeofBliss Would B interesting 4 U 2 do something with a pair of say Eminence Omega or whatever around 7mm Xmax 1 way, in big ported enclosures, driven by a Behringer EP2500. Thank me later after you $ell all your BulL$hit that sounds worse =)) Class D & 'heavy woofers' R a joke. This is coming from somebody familiar with the stuff. Yes I've compared stuff like that directly = they R 'slow' = less slam & clarity, etc. They're 2 stiff & heavy & all the extra travel involved, & sealed boxes??? Really? WTF R U thinking throwing away more than half their potential that way? CRAZY! =))
Thanks for the BEQ shout out! It's nice to see the wider adoption. It's easy to lose track at times that more people then just a couple of us are using it. Honestly it gives a little energy for the data cleanup that I've been doing for it and for the new app that I've been working on. In my head it's been just for myself so seeing others is a plus.
You made the original app right? And have the deep purple cabinet 24s on AVS? I feel its definitely catching on with more people as larger sub systems become more popular... thank you for helping with the movement!!
@@LifeofBliss You're welcome. I helped a little with the BEQd app but that was mostly d00d. I started and maintain the repo. Currently I just added metadata to every file for the BEQ Catalog and I'm working on an iPhone/iPad app it.
Looks awesome! Only thing I would change is to definitely knock the gloss of those 24” mounting flanges. The glare just grabs the eye. Have fun!
i think i almost fell out of my chair by the sight of that setup!!!! omg that is insane!!
Same
You're right about the rollers... its much better to spray. But a couple tips I have regarding the finish of Duratex with rollers... Use a 9" roller with a very thin foam profile, the little rollers are only good for small speakers and tight areas. Coat evenly without worrying about the streaks, wait 5-10 minutes (less in hot/dry environment), then roll in one direction only, overlapping about an inch as you go. Avoid extending past the edges with your roller and avoid pressing down near the edges. That will squeeze out the duratex from the foam roller unevenly and will create streaks when you go back over your work. If there are still streaks, wait a bit longer and then repeat the process, but roll in a direction 90 degrees to how you did your first "smoothing" rolls. The thin foam roller will hold less duratex and you wont waste as much when its time for cleanup. Great job, love seeing the build.
That Fury scene is my absolute favorite to crank up my system and show it off to friends, and I am just running dual Klipsch R-120SW's. I can't imagine watching that scene on your system! Keep up the great work!
I have Klipsch 280f. They are the bomb.
@@kohnfutner9637 I've got 4 820f's, and the 34C to pair with the subs making it a 5.2 system. I'd love to go full dolby atmos but I'd need to upgrade the projector (currently 1080p Epson 3700), receiver, and add an external amp. Plus I've gone 100% digital on the movies and via Vudu you don't get dolby atmos unless you have the movie in 4K UHD. So someday I know that I am going to have to invest another $6-8K to get there but I am waiting for bright True 4K projectors to be a thing.
@@LMGGG7 hope you Are having a wonderful setup now.
125db @15hz I know your neighbors love you! Nice setup and good wood working skills too!
I felt that pain moving subs in and out. I did four Fi 18" drivers in a line array and was a workout. Nice videos and enjoyed watching
What are the FI subs like?
Ive never heard of beq until here. Very cool extra motivation to make some beasts. Thanks, ill check it out
Mannnnnnn
You
Loaded!!!!!!
Wow thats one kick ass home and set up you have, you've been blessed and have done well
Very lucky. Thank you for sharing its an absolute privilege.
If I win the lottery I could have this
I remember watching your original build video. They look great painted black. Mad skills with wood working. 👍🏻 👍🏻
Appreciate it man! Lookin forward to seeing your room completely done as well, quite the transformation!
21:20 the pressure moving the tower woofers from sealed subs. And the tower woofers are very stiff PA grade drivers.
Awesome job Kyle! I've followed your basement build since the beginning and will be using many of the same build techniques in my own basement.
Dang, been watching my ugly mug for a while! Glad some of the videos helped!
Amazing job on all the DIY speakers, thanks for the detailed progress videos.
I love seeing speakers... they are just so bad ass. Hidden clean designs are cool but seeing the speakers is awesome.
I'm a big fan of seeing the speakers 😉
I’m thinking of getting rid of the SVS sb3000s and doing diy subs like you have they are monsters and love the centre how it just sits so nice in there wicked setup you have talent keep it up 👌💪
Can you list the speakers you used? Awesome set up!!
great video man, run a slow sweep from about 40 hz down to 20 hz showing frequency / sound pressure level in real time. That shows what subs can do. People who say "Oh you shouldn't do that" are worried their subs can't handle it or will reveal a problem.
Loved the intro with the kids. Your mustache game is always on point. Another solid video!
Ha thanks man! Gotta include them where I can... Mustache doesn't get a lot of love around here unfortunately 👨😭
so bad for the kids undeveloped ears.
Thats the beauty of editing... they were only there for the last clip with the music on, and it was not loud. I'm crazy, not stupid 😉
@@LifeofBliss I didn't call you any names man. I will tell you what though, when Im delivering in the hood I feel sorry for the kids of the sorry parents that have their sorry loud car stereos all turned up with their little babies in them.
Those subs look like they stroke pretty hard. Have you done a HZ sweep to see what they are tuned too? Where they roll of at? I have a set of old Cerwin Vega LS15 and they have no problem picking up 25hz. I have those on top a set of Klipsch R-115sw and they defiantly pick up the 18hz they are rated for.
@@nova467spanker oh I know you didn't, I was just saying I wouldn't do that to them lol. Thats unfortunate for those kids for sure... I've done sweeps, was flat within a few dB from 7 Hz at about 120 dB up to 100 Hz. I think thats in my previous video about these actually
Really looks great now! I have been following you for a year or so. Great build and also, thanks for turning me on to the Sinbosen amps. I built two 218 cabs for my band's PA. Will be using the same amp that you have. My 18's will do 136 db at 37 hz, continuous and 139 db peak. Love the channel!
Thanks Erik! Glad the Sinbosen amp is working out for you!
You are seriously skilled with the router man. Love the vids I am learning a lot from it.
Glad the videos are helping!
Devil Bis!! That's to much fun, you seem smart enough to know the correct enunciation. You have a talent...I like where your mind goes! Great projects. Keep up the Awesome Work .
perfect for music
Hey man, thank you for introducing me to Sinbosen. I got the fp2200q to drive a pair of 18Sound in a reflex box. Not for home theater though - my DJ setup. Them things are BEAST at half the price of crowns, yamaha, QSC
Heck yea man. They've done well for use HT guys and are obviously made for a DJ type setup 😉
You have it right about having lots of compressor if you are painting. Many years ago I was locking up the body shop I worked at when we heard a rocket-like noise. We were about 200M from an airport runway, so we though it was something there. But when we drove around to see what it was, the noise was coming from our back door! We ran back to the front. We found a 1" PVC air line had pulled out of a fitting, ripped of the wall and wedged against the ceiling. The painter we left in the BlowTherm didn't even notice anything wrong because he was almost deaf and we had 50HP of compressor (a 20 and a 30HP running of of one pressure switch) so even with a 1" hole the pressure stayed high enough that the restrictor at the spray gun was still the limiting factor. Now you don't need 50HP, but you will likely want more than you can run on a 110v circuit.
Damn! Yea bigger is better. I'm used to an 80 gallon 240v tank my dad has in his body shop. I would love to have something like that!
Really enjoyed bud! A little crazier than I would go but awesome system. From one theater lover to another enjoy your family and your hobby!
Great job on the system, and even more so on your gracious invitation to see and hear it (sort of - youtube). Around 19:00 or so in you began to offer links to others - and you introduced them very well. That's passing it on. congrats and I hope these do well.
Appreciate it Mark. I've had many people help me along my youtube and theater journey, glad to try and do the same!
Awesome setup figure out a way to add protective screens because kids will start poking at the speakers they always do lol.
Im curious about what you said at around 18:20 about taking away the house curve and giving back that chest thump. I thought that the house curve was how you got that chest thump, so i wanted to know how that was achieved with a flatter a response. And any tips i can try.
I did the house curve thing and lost a lot of chest thump (50-80 hz) because my subs were focused on playing everything below that, since it was boosted. Everything was tuned flat for the sub and then the entire sub frequency was ran hot compared to the mains.
Those subs are freakin awesome! That's the ultimate man cave!
DUDE where have you been. Always waiting for an update on your system. It came out Awesome!!!!
Been changing diapers 😭💩
Hahahaha building your own system and helping with the Kids. Your a God among US insects.
Lol I'm just a guy who likes to build things. And occasionally gets poop on his finger. 😅
Awsome video Kyle! I've been waiting for this one! I would love to hear what this system sounds, the sound presure from all those woofers!
That must sound Amazing!! The bass output at such a low Feqs must be mind blowing. Great Job! Makes me want to start building home audio shit again. lol
He's using class D (digital) amps. They all sound like $hit compared 2 regular ol' 'analog' amps like 'Class A/B' =) Even with a 'Class H' switching power supply. It's funny he spend all that $$$ on all those huge things & is complaining not getting the 'slam' he wanted, when a mere 2 X 18" PA drivers slam like crazy if U put them in big ported enclosures with just a couple hundred watts a side! This whole thing is an exercise in WA$TE!! Like 'bragging' that they WA$TE so much energy as heat, which U don't even get into the room because it's trapped in the cabinet & dissipates over many hours. & that's another thing = mount drivers so the magnets & stuff R on the OUTSIDE & things will last longer & throw better = nice cool air so less 'power compression' from hot coils =) There R so many things wrong it's just sad, but that's how $cams work in 'audiophelia' LOL
@@Deathrape2001 This guy has no idea what he is talking about. He drank a ton of snake oil and feels the need to vomit it all over us and dares to claim "audiophelia".
@@Clobercow1 Who Are you saying lie?
I think rolling your first coat was a smart decision. That way it gets fully absorbed. But from then on, absolutely spray!
Awesome Setup, Brilliant Job. Loving it.
18:00 Your talking about SPL, but your 2 front subs have a very obscured box design, and no tubes or ports. By looking at them i can feel that you are missing out on lower frequencies because of the box design and not having 4 inch pvc tubes.
Do some more reading on sealed enclosures. Box shape has nothing to do with how much spl a speaker outputs on a sealed box. I would be really missing out on low frequencies if these were ported. They'd drop off like a rock under 20 hz ported unless the box was 5x the size. Sealed allows for lower frequencies to still have a high spl
I spray my duratex... although I did find a good roller method that looks pretty good. Small passes over after with a dryer roller.... every direction criss cross, try and leave no roller marks.... really a pain but can look great. Usually I thin the roller grade with 25% water and spray with 2.5mm LPHV.
That was so great running back from mailbox 😆. I do that to myself , crank up stereo and walk next door then my shuffle hits crazy music and I'm running 😆😆. That set up outta control cool. 💪👍
Wow ! Awesome VDO man and very Nice your Big bike
*They look great*
*Nice start of the video*
I love it...and I love normal guys how never exaggerate in their projects! ;-) Awesome!
Through the box design or via sweep, have you determined a resonate frequency for the enclosures? And if so, do you have to eq it out to not be overwhelming during playback?
Everything is EQ'd pretty heavily. The subs are either done with a minidsp or with dirac live. They play flat down to 7 hz at over 115 db or over 120 db when you cut them off at about 10 hz.
looks good. although the wires for subs looks a bit thin?
Nice set up, currently running 2 18s in my car 148db at 26hz, almost at my 150db goal
Nice. Home Theater can't touch what you guys can do in a car 😉
Absolutely amazing job. Looks gorgeous.
Looks awesome, killer setup. You ever run a out of phase audio test to dial in setting the left and right speaker placement? Tjey seem super toed in where u can probably squeeze better imaging out of it
Noticed what looks like movie posters on canvas in the background. Where did you buy prints like that on canvas?
There's a video on those 😉 th-cam.com/video/dmIsXPZTLaU/w-d-xo.html
I have no words, absolutley awesome setup. Great job man
@life of bliss did you buy the jumper cables to wire your subs in series for a 4 ohm load or used any speaker wire?
Just any speaker wire will work. 12 gauge or bigger
Great job! That is incredible. You do amazing work. One day I hope to be able to go this route. Keep up the great videos.
LOVE THESE!!! Just one thing.... Could you please raise the center channel another half inch, so it's flush? My OCD is going crazy!!!!! hahahaaa
Hahaha I knew that would get to some people... yes I will be doing that. Gotta get the saw and spray paint out 😉
You did a helluva job. Love it.
Saw your Reddit post then had to come here. Sooo sick man. If only I could get away with this in my apartment lol
Haha definitely not apartment safe 😉
in a large room what do you think is most important from a sub? cone area, magnet size (b/l), or xmax? like for example, i run a lot of subs (18) in various sizes (4 15s 10 12s 2 10s 2 8s) and the boxes are all within spec ( total space in the boxes before displacement are estimated at about 22 cu ft) ( 3 of the boxes that have the 12s are tuned to 39, and 2 are tuned to 32 the 10s are tuned to 40 and the 8s 42 and the 2 boxes of 15's are tuned to 36) (they are also all wired together and have influence on each other for better or for worse. personally i think better) , but the subs are all cheapies but as a group they are capable of 4,800w rms (i do have a silly vid on my page of 15 hz i was testing for example using a taramps smart 3k wired to .4) . so tl;dr is it really worth it to get 4 expensive subs and call it a day? i have about 1k invested over the years in my wall in subs alone. currently i play from 19-73 hz with authority.
I think with a large room, its important to have at least 2 if not 4 subs to help smooth out the response. Then air displacement is whats going to get you the high spl. You can do that with a few high excursion subs or several lesser subs. I have (16) 12 inch JBLs that were $30 each that would probably yield similar results as (3) 24s, but they would also take up a lot more room down here for boxes.
@@LifeofBliss ok i understand now. would there be an advantage to more box space being used to handle the same amount of power you are on now? i know the room is also a box, but more cu ft of box for the subs is very beneficial for the room? thanks for taking the time to respond.
Just depends on the driver you are using, but you'll usually require less power to drive the sub with a bigger box
Your neighbors must love you
They do. Can't hear it at all believe it or not. 90% of the basement is concrete walls
Friggen Amazing vid! I am a fan of high end audio and I love this video and the speakers you built. Sweeeeeeet!!!
Sir, how does the cinegrey 3d screen perform at night when there are no ambient light? Thanks.
Performs great. Excellent black levels. Colors pop.
What gauge wire is that on the woofer wires? seems small for the power levels. Awesome system
Its 12 gauge. Looks smaller in the video, but could definitely be bigger. Unfortunately the neutrik connectors are pretty much capped at 12 gauge and thats whats ran through the walls anyways
Nice sound system, I have a friend of mine who would build home theater sound systems and then test the equipment using the DVD movie U571 to determine if he could blow house garage doors off its tracks or shatter the neighbor's dogs eardrums for months. Your system may be equivalent....
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I didn’t see an air port for the subs. How does that play into the sound?
No port means slower roll off, plays deeper. Boxes would have been too big in my situation for a port as well. Theres a little less output around what a ported box would be tuned at, but I wasn't worried about output with 3 24s
hey Mr. Bliss..... what kind of subwooer can i put on a denon 887... not to expensive... what would the right way to do it... passive or amped.... do car subwoofers work some how?
Pretty much any sub for home theater that can hook up with an RCA cable would work. Powered sub would be the easiest. Car subs would work fine, but depending on the model, May not dig down super deep. But you'll need an external amp, something like the crown xls series for a car sub. Powered subs are easier. svs is a great brand, OSD is another budget brand that is a good buy on sale.
@@LifeofBliss alright thanks for taking the time to answer... i will check it out hope i cant get good lows
I was interested in getting the mini dsp, but I didn’t understand how it worked. I am interested in getting remote help in tuning it. Do I need to get other parts along with the mini dsp? I have SVS ultra surround with SB-16, Denon & outlaw receiver and amps. Can I get more info please. 👍🏼
You can get a mini dsp to help with tuning 1 sub, but svs does have its tuning app to help. The minidsp really comes in handy when you have 2 or more subwoofers. Check out avs forums for some general info on the minidsp
Life of Bliss thank you. Good to know, I will b our purchasing a 2nd, but getting hard to find used ones on SVS. Just subscribed to u!
Have the 1299s been discontinued i cant find them on the site anymore, sounds incredible by the way.
They are in and out of stock, more out of stock as of late. You might email the owner Erich to get more info though
That's a nice footprint for that bit a kit. Good deal.
That is one big system......but please tell me that you upgraded the speaker wiring to at least 14 gauge. It looks like you are using 18 or smaller.
All wiring is 12 gauge. Looks smaller cause the speakers are huge 😅
What are you using for a projector and which surge protector do you have it connected to?
I jad a Panasonic AE 8000U. No surge protector in that setup
do you have a video how to connect all the components?
Not dedicated to just connecting components, no.
Man you move fast for a man of your size. That is the most impressive part of this video which says so much. Amazing front setup 😍🤩
Hahaha smartass... I played it back going "I thought I was running??" 😂 thanks Tristan!
@@LifeofBliss Kyle I was actually being quite serious you do move fast for a man of your size you move like a smaller man I was being dead serious
I came in like a wrecking ball 🎶 🤣 thanks bud
@@LifeofBliss I can be quite the smart a** so I can understand why you wouldn't take me seriously lol
Mind explaining your power? I ran the numbers & the power requirements to run that Sinbosen amp is very high to hit those numbers.
The amp is ran off a 230v30a circuit. Its good for about 7k watts or a bit more. The burst power comes from all the caps. It only lasts 1-2 seconds, but for most movies and music, there are short bursts of high power requirements.
@@LifeofBliss you showed a video showing the back of the amp when you unboxed it, it's rated at 5600w, I simply don't trust the knock off amp. the specs are all over the place even on their own website, sketchy as F IMO, there is no official power rating certification.
@@2002SLPSS1991 i hear ya. Check out the avs forum link i posted in the description. The amp has been tested to nearly 4k watts rms and about 7500w peak per amp board/power supply, which there are 2. I'm going off those numbers that were tested by an individual here in the states
Lol mostly going for the bass in demo :D I love audio accuracy and insane excess bass is worthless. It often is the issue that bass drowns the other sounds under it.
You need large woofers to reproduce anything under 20 hz in homes. Everything is balanced and EQ'd, this just playes lower and louder than most systems
Hey awesome good on your set up looks so much better painted. What was the volume on you avr or pre/pro at to get the db you were showing, quite impressive.
Thanks man. Well yamaha AVRs are kinda weird... it was at -14 to -20 depending on the clip. Mini dsp was +10 for the music clips as well
Absolutely Beautiful....I do have one question though. I'll admit I didn't watch the whole video but, do you plan on adding speaker grills? As I was watching the subs flex I couldn't help but wonder if the flex of the subs would distract while watching movies....like catching your eye? I know I had to go to a closed cabinet for my entertainment center due to the lights on the equipment so I didn't know if the flex was enough to distract.
I'm looking to do my house setup with SI next. I'm currently running 2 SQL 12s on an SIQ 1500.1 in my truck and they are some of the best sounding subs I've heard in a car.
Thanks man. You really don't see the flex since you are sitting straight in front of them. Plus it's dark with the projector, so you really don't see much of the speakers. It all kinda fades to black down below. SI makes killer stuff!
Привет. А ты производил расчёт объёма корпуса перед тем как собирать его? И ещё вопрос. Какае характеристики динамика?
Nice video bro, But my question is " Do you think those cabinets are the most suitable for those huge speakers as design language? i think as my "humble" experience these subs need a radiator suspension to makes you feel the real bass effect , i don't think sealed boxes will does the same joy, please correct me if i am wrong , and very good you keep kids around you when you create stuff its very important to make them creative in future , good man
Thanks man. Honestly, I've never heard another system compete with this one for bass. They are very impressive speakers. I chose sealed so they would dig lower. I didn't want them falling off after a tuning frequency with a port. Passive radiators would be a good option, but it'd cost quite a bit more. They do great with a sealed enclosure
I've never noticed that 3rd massive sub in your system. Where does that one sit in your set up?
Back left corner. Tried to use all the space I could to fit in subs lol
@@LifeofBliss I noticed I answered my own question as I continued to watch the video. Mad respect dude for not only building all of those, but the quality. That is legit and bad ass! I could stare at that front stage all day.
@@JesusChrist-em8gj appreciate it man. It was a big project but love how they turned out!
Damn is there a way to make the 1299s or 1599s anymore? DIYSG no longer seems to bother making them kits available. I got a set of Fusion 15's and they sound great.
Unfortunately I don't think they sell them anymore. They may come in stock once in a blue moon, but not sure of they still even do that. You'd have to source them out with part numbers if you're able to
Are there any box kits for those subs? I don't have the means to create my own but would love to own these
Yes! GSG Audio just came out with flat packs for the 24 inch subwoofers. Check out their website for pricing and options, they'll get you hooked up! I'll have a few videos on some of their products including their 24 inch box soon!
@@LifeofBliss sweet!
Thanks for replying so fast! Much appreciated
im glad you finally got around to painting them. this build is nuts. wonder how long the drywall will be able to stay hanging on since those walls must be shaking all the nails loose.
So far, all is good!
hello there, I'm a wood finisher and I recommend the HVLP Titan sprayer there's no need for a big compressor check it out
Very sweet opening, London is listening.
Love that victory sign
🤘 til the wheels fall off th-cam.com/video/Zb72xN4BhgE/w-d-xo.html
@@LifeofBliss wow both bikes are gorgeous I have the 12 highball
Thanks man. Sold the Jackpot a while back, kept the CC as it was more practical lol. Those highballs are good lookin bikes as well 👍
I would have loved to hear the downtown shootout from the movie HEAT on that setup. Please do another video with that.
Thanks
Your enclosures came out beautifully! Nice work, my friend!!
125db@ 15hz, how much rms you pushing and was these measurement taken with all 3 subs or only 2? can these subs be used in a ported box @ 11cuft? can you take more measurements using LFE scenes like aqua man submarine scene and like interstellar?
3 subs, 2000w rms each
looks awesome ..however you should have ported the sub boxes will sound much better... Just a thought.
Well done! Greetings from Hamburg
Do you use the full potential of this system? it is HUGE! a single 15" reflex cab is more than enough for me (down to 24hz)
I've pushed the limits of this system. My amp can't push the subs as hard as they can go, so I'm limited by that. I dont go full tilt all the time, but its fun every now and then for demos
The measured graphs you showed at the last are not flat. They have huge peaks ans dips. How is the listening experience ???
Another brilliant video again your kids steal the show...👍🏼🤣🤩
Thanks Phil, they're making me famous 🤩😅
how do you like them in a sealed box.?..there is a company in canada called mach5 audio that has some 21inch subs that im thinking of trying...what are your thoughts.....?
Mach5 still making subs? I thought they went out of business a while back... not saying that as an insult. I tried reaching out a few years ago and someone told me they were out of business.
Sealed is the way to go for home theater if you're going with a 21 or 24 in my opinion. You don't need the extra output from a ported box, these get stupid loud with good power. Box size gets ridiculous with ported, increase difficulty in a build, possible port chuffing... best thing is sealed boxes get LOW where ported falls off at some point. I've measure near 120 db at 7 hz. Smaller subs do well in ported enclosures where you need that extra output. I don't find it necessary with the ultra large drivers
@@LifeofBliss ok yes they are still in bussness i have been talking to mark the owner..for a bit now ....
Crazy ass setup, fkn love it! I guarantee its better than a Overpriced hollow sounding Krix setup "someone" has!
Thanks man! I don't judge other people's setup, there's so many options and budgets out there, its all subjective 😉 I am partial to mine though!
@@LifeofBliss Yeah, I was speaking of myself and my waste of money Krix Wall of sound! (not the way to go)
Oh shoot, sorry man! Another youtuber just got a Krix wall of sound...
@@LifeofBliss Yeah, I know, seen the Video, Believe me when I say, They're a waste of money! People who Own them and say otherwise are fooling themselves because they're overpriced and they have to live with the decision! I've had mine for about 4 years now and I'm running them on the Monolith HTP-1 and through the PLD4.5 for the front stage (fkn Horrible) The build Quality is there, I've calibrated them over and over, pretty flat so ok but the sound so hollow and BOXY. Might Finally go your route and build my own and sell this overpriced junk, They only start to sound god when you're pumping the Shit outta them. Maybe a Rainbow front stage setup? Or Morel?
Hey, great video. So, EQ, what was the thought process? To EQ more to a flat curve that does rise? Or was there some room curve involve? Did you add a room curve in after? I'd love to know, and does it sound better? Thanks.
So they preferred doing more of a flat response for the subs with a very quick rise around the crossover point. That way you have more of your chest slam (40-60 hz) while still getting that super low bass. It worked out very well
Interesting, how much does it rise around the crossover point?@@LifeofBliss
8-15 db, just preference. I'm about 10-12
Okay. I'm using +8db, but I'm using a slow rise to about 30hz with a 0.7 Q. To raise it very quickly after 80hz would require a pretty aggressive Q, maybe a Q of 1? Do you have a video of the EQ or do they have videos about that EQ style? I'd love to see it. @@LifeofBliss
I do not have any video or pics of the graph after it was done unfortunately... and this was all done at my last place. I just remember it was bumped pretty quickly around 80-100 hz depending on crossover (mine was 90) and it was pretty flat after the bump
That front stage is absolutely killer now. Everything is on point from the screen and LED backlight to the LCR and subwoofers. If I may make 1 small suggestion, I think a 4th 24" subwoofer is called for in this situation ;P! You might as well balance it out, I mean odd numbers are bad luck...just sayin :). Great work man!
I'll bring your suggestion to the boss... 😂 thanks bud!
@@LifeofBliss lol, maybe just sneak it passed her, they are super subtle 😜.