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Scotty can you tell me what you think about Renault Megane 1.9D 47kw Phase 1? I wanted to sell it but I don't have confidence in electronics in new cars, what should I do? Greetings from Bosnia.
Scotty Kilmer SCOTTY MY MAN! I have a question for you. What do you think of a 2014 VW Passat 3.6L VR6 and a DSG(VW’s dual clutch transmission)? I own one with 70K miles and it runs good but I wish it was a little quicker. I do live in Michigan so the weather and roads aren’t great... What mods should I do or should I trade it for something else? If I should trade it in with a 25K budget in mind, what should I get? Help me Scotty, your advice would mean the WORLD. Thanks!
It does make sense to put them in smaller cars Gas mileage, they dont use torque converters so you dont lose that efficiency I can get over 50mpg in my focus on the highway doing 53 mph Besides only having to change the special gear oil every 150k miles they are actually very reliable, ford had problems with '12-'14 models because of a bad seal, its fixed now, it is bucky on take off if you dont accelerate in sync but other than that it shifts super smooth, I deliver dominos in mine & know the car well I put over 50k miles on it in my '16
I've driven a GTI with a DSG for almost 5 years, thousands and thousands of miles. It has been one of the best transmissions I have ever had, and this is coming from someone who swore by manual only.
M Yahtadi S Haven't had any problems with mine either, 80k miles later. Maybe the OP, like me, has no interest in modifying their GTI and keeps up with the maintenance.
Toyota isn't that great anymore I think. In Europe all they have are underpowered1.2 liter turbocharged engines that just barely achive a smidge over 100 HP (And that's the HP with the turbo that loves to break) IMHO Turbo due to it's nature is a shortlived part even if Toyota made. You're not going to have any fun driving a mid sized SUV like the C-HR powered by an engine like that. Many of them also have CVT so I think a new Toyota today is a money pit 5 years from now.
@@Shattered-Realm i got a vitz rs 1.5 L non turbo but i got the cvt instead of manual. Believe me i was looking for a manual but those car are verry rare to find these days. Is the cvt really that bad?
@@ibj3 They are prone to wear out and break quickly and are a lot less durable than MT. When they break you can't just repair it you need to replace the entire transmission costing 5000$+ Check out Scotty's video on CVT. Anyway if you got one it's probably not the end of the world if you're leasing it. A brand new car is pretty much guaranteed to last through the standard 3 year lease cycle. After that it's not your problem. Also the Vitz is a Toyota which is probably the most reliable brand in the world sooooo it could be OK. As for myself after test driving many vehicles and months of research on this channel and many like it I bought a Mazda CX-3 manual transmission with a decent displacement 2.0 engine without the turbocharger which is another part prone to wearing out quickly.
Dual Clutch Transmission 3:19 alot heavier than a normal transmission. 3:38 more expensive to repair....and they break down quite a bit. 4:46 slushy at lower speeds. 5:08 Ford has a class action pending against them for the dual clutch transmission. 5:34 Scotty would never buy one (DCT) & wouldn't advise someone to buy one. Thanks for valuable advise Scotty!
@@jayryan7473 they really are not, try downshifting going down a mountain with a traditional auto. Or feel free destroying your brakes. I rather use paddles in that case
@@Hallowsaw my 93 Taurus was very easy to downshift with, 4 speed auto. D, 3, 2, 1. Pull the Column shift towards you, push down half an inch, slide it forward and boom you’ve downshifted on a hill.
I'm very happy with the 6-speed manual in my 370Z sport coupe. The transmission has an interesting feature called "Synchro Rev Match that will automatically adjust the engine speed on upshifts or down shifts so as to match gear speeds on the intermediate and output shafts. This results in very smooth gear changes. This is technology put to good use and not just a marketing gimmick.
Tested a car with DCT and later one with Torque Converter. Glad that I went with the first car. Not that there is something wrong with TC, just prefer the feel of DTC more, despite jerkines at low speed. After 5 years and 65k km, still feels great. Summary: If you fear the transimission unit malfunction, or you consider yourself "Hard-core driver" - get the manual. But if you want auto-transmission and are willing to accept that things can go wrong at some point, DCT is a great transmission to have. Cheers
Ford focus with the dct. put in clutch packs twice and was needing a third when I got rid of it and not that many miles. Lucky it was covered by Ford on the first two.
@@frankfarago2825 why the hell they only sold transmission with lifespan common lease duration when iMT with reliable hardware could last forever even the i part is broken ? ohh right i just answer my own question.
@@frankfarago2825 DCT is based on the concept of a manual transmission, but uses two hydraulically controlled clutches instead. Honda had something like this for the last 30 years. The Hondamatic is basically a DCT but uses a single clutch. Not all DCT's are trash. I sure as hell wouldn't buy a ford economy car with one though. The real garbage is CVT.
The only vehicles with reliable DCT transmissions are small Honda motorcycles. ✌🏼 But, seriously. Those tiny motorcycles can last longer than 15 years. 👌🏼 But the cars, well, good luck finding one than can grow old with you. 👋🏼
Mr. McBeavy yeah but the way he does it when he talks about stick shifts. He balls up his fist and wiggles the gears around. Idk what it is about that that’s funny to me😂
It's a habit that most manual transmission owners have. They jiggle the stick shift around when it's in neutral just to make sure it's in neutral. And, really, who doesn't want to jiggle their stick shift?
I watch Scotty viedos then replay them later for an older friend who is like a father to me. We love to watch Scotty videos every time we hang out and have some Svodka
I buy 5/6 speed for the fun factor it feels like your more connected to the car makes you more mindful of driving situations to because you have to be ready to shift
@@seanforsythe78 the Regera is the car with only a torque converter. A torque converter is nothing like what is in a top fuel car which has a true clutch. To say there isn't a transmission is accurate but the operation of the two mechanisms are totally different. The top fuel car uses timing and springs and true clutch plates, the torque converter uses fluid dynamics to operate. A little research will show the difference.
@@TheBluegoatman i didn't say that it WAS that of a dragster clutch kit, i said that it was most similar to that of a dragster, as apposed to a conventional automotive transmission.
Ford did this apparently to have a car that saved on gas. This DCT alledgedly did this. In a way it did. It spent more time in the shop than it did out on the road burning gas. lol! Nice job Ford!
HAHAHAHA well said bro! Just sold my fiesta a couple of months ago and glad that i get rid of it! Too lucky that the tranny got broke just in time after i sold it 😅😅
Dct is good if you go to the right manufacturer, also another thing that ruins a dct is inching along during rush hour. Wait several feet, then move up and if the stop light is long, then put it in neutral or your straining the clutch. Dct was designed for racing like he said. Thats what happen with the 2010 camrys and up is from owners not using the brakes and instead were shifting down or inching along. They are great if you know how to take care of it.
@@chuckasualty don't get mad at him because you can't spell. You learned something new didn't you? You should thank him for teaching you the difference between *duel* and *dual*.
The real problems with these Dual Clutch systems are the clutches themselves burnt out easily if you are always stuck in traffic jam in hot weather. Not only that, Volkswagen had these mechatronics failure probably got to do with the gear oil they use that shorted the electronics inside the transmission when heated up too much. Ford's dual clutch transmission is built by Getrag, it is less refined than Volkswagen ones but they have the same problems . Those Dry Clutch DCT are the worst ones, shitty durability. You can find them in Volkswagen Golf TSI 1.4L , and Ford Fiesta. Wet clutches (clutches are soaked in oil like those in motorbikes) ones are alot better but they are only found in much more expensive and powerful cars. You will find them in Golf GTI 2.0L and VW Tiguan 1.4L. So far only Honda manage to fix the dual clutch problems. It is mated to a hybrid car. In traffic jam situations on low speeds, the electric motor is used to creep forward instead of slipping the clutch to prevent the engine from stalling like those that pair with a conventional engine. That eliminates all the jerking motion and clutch overheating issues. Honda started using this kind of combination from the new NSX . Now Honda City and Jazz Hybrid has this kind of transmission and I never heard any failures even though my country can reach 36 Celsius on a hot day. True, it doesn't shift as fast as DCT from Volkswagen, but hey its reliable which is much more important. I buy a car to drive it everyday, not to park in a mechanic's garage all the time to fix.
I’m worried now. I bought a ‘19 Fiesta back in March. I live in Vegas, and our temps reach around 115+ in the summer. Although I heard the newer models are a lot better than the older ones.
The idea of paddles is to control the RPM to stay in power range during cornering, in addition to utilizing the engine for breaking proactively. It's the main reason rally drivers and GT drivers still use linear (up down) sticks or paddles on 2 pedal vehicles.
I recently bought a 2018 Ford Fiesta SE with the PowerShift dual clutch transmission and I must say, Ford has really ironed out all of the problems the PowerShift transmissions had back when it came out. It shifts so smoothly, my car's acceleration is great, and it doesn't have that rubber band like lag of the CVTs. Too bad Ford is discontinuing the Fiesta after 2019.
I have a '18 Fiesta SE too and it's been great. None of the problems that showed up early in the older powershifts are present in nine. I don't creep in traffic but when I accelerate the shifts are perfect and the manual sport mode is a blast to drive in.
Scotty is referencing old information, many years ago when they first came out DCT's were problematic. They have sorted all that out for the past 10-15 years. I have an eight year old GTI DCT with over 150,000 miles, and it drives great, never a single issue with the transmission. And I drive that thing hard every chance I get, I even took it to several DE days (road course track driving). The only thing is I change fluids religiously at about half the mileage VW recommends. I bought it when it was a year old and already had 20K on it. Come to think of it, the only issues I have had were a leaking water pump, wheel bearings (twice), ignition coils, and I put new shocks on it at around 120K. But it has never left me stranded and it is a fun practical car. These days DCT's are very reliable, drive great, are only about 50 lbs more than a standard (and the same as a regular auto), accelerate faster and provide better gas mileage. And the cost of repair is only slightly more than a regular auto/manual. The two potential failures is the clutch packs or the control unit, and either can be replaced for around $1K to $2K, not much more than a standard transmission repair cost, and they are very reliable so...
I have a 2017 Chevy 1 ton van for my business. It has a 6 speed automatic, and I have over a 100K on it and the trany is AMAZING! I get 20 MPG (mostly all highway) and it works flawlessly. I love it.
My car has a duel clutch trans. It's fun to drive but the best use is that you can hold the car in gear longer and stop it hunting for gears when going up hills etc. The key to avoiding trouble is to sell the car before it gives you any 😆
I was a manual purist untill I drove my friends 2017 gti dsg I loved the transmission so I went and bought myself a 2007 Audi A3 3.2 vr6 with the same dsg transmission they haven't changed it since 07 it's a very good trans 180k on mine still going strong I change the fluid and filter every 35k miles
I had a 2015 vw tiguan with 6speed dsg wet clutch , the gearbox seemed confuse while i drove under 10kph in traffic jam, it kept shifting from gear 1 to 2 and back to 1 repeatedly. I replaced 4 abs sensors twice in 3 years of ownership. The aircon sometimes didnt want to blow ice cold air, it was junk . In just 3 years of ownership the car lost half the price when itwas new. Thanks scotty , now i drive a toyota, no problems at all 😂
My little Kia Rio has a 1.0 turbo 118 bhp 3 cylinder GDI engine and a 7 speed DCT, bought it new with the 7 yr warranty and up to now it's amazing to drive and feels really fast. The DCT is smooth and quick all what Scotty says for both this engine and gearbox may be true but for Mr average the car will be long gone before it breaks.
I owned a 1954 Chrysler New Yorker. It had what was called a "Fluid Drive" This was kind of a semi-automatic transmission, in that you had a clutch pedal to put it into drive or reverse. After that, in order to shift, you had to let up on the accelerator and it would shift "automatically" up to the next gear.. Kept you from having to always push in the clutch. This transmission evolved into the "Torqueflite", which was a good transmission used for a long time, even in racing.
I have a dual clutch transmission (M-DCT), in my BMW M2. It is smooth as silk and no doubt helps acceleration. For me at least, it's been a great option.
Bill Zipprich you’re not driving your car; some computer is, or more accurately some German scientist in a BMW lab is via the chip he put in your car; basically you’re driving a drone;
20502chris You’ve missed the point of a manual then. And I don’t care. Miss out. You either know or you don’t at this point. Manual is dying and there’s no saving it anyway so there’s no point explaining.
I unfortunately had bought a brand new ford focus back in 2014, gears were grinding as soon as I bought it. Especially going uphill, took it to the dealership and told them about the problem, they told me there was a squirrels nest in my transmission and that they had fixed the problem, and there should be no more problems. As soon as I left there was no difference in the grinding gears. Needless to say, I’m glad I totaled that car, and will never go back to ford again. I also didn’t know a lot about cars then, but now I do thanks to Scotty
The problem with the Getrag transmission from Ford was the seals. The seals were failing due to the fluid. They came out with new seals that won't deteriorate . Problem fixed.
the problem is that nowadays you have only the choice between DSG and CTV. Both cost a fortune to repair. The CRV is slow as dirt on top of that and many car makers have huge problems with this crap as well. The newer VW DSG's should be OK though. They killed most of those bugs. Personally, I still drive stick shift though. I just don' wanna take chances of a $6k repair bill.
It's a conspiracy... squeeze people's pockets until there's nothing. Personally I'd take my chances with the DSG and fix it myself if something went wrong since it should be simpler.
I have 2 cars at the moment with dual clutch transmissions. One is a Volvo and the other is an Audi. They are completely different from one and another; the Volvo is "slushy" that is it takes up the clutch slowly and seeing that it's designed for efficiency it's a little slow in shifting and at slow speed like parking, its a bit of a pain. The Audi, is very different and newer. It's automatic setting is very smooth even at low speed at when driving quickly it shifts pretty quick. Put it in dynamic mode, at it is really quick shifting. I still have a manual (stick shift) car to drive; and i still enjoy driving that. you can't heel and toe in a dsg car!
Hey Scotty, love all your posts , you're the best. I bought a 2013 Ford focus se used 3 yrs back here in Toronto for $5,300 with 145,000 km. had a duel clutch transmission issue right away , so took it back to the dealership,they fixed it for free from a recall they've issued. Now is 2019, warranty is over, I really want to get rid of it before my tranny breaks again. I have no confidence with this repair at the dealership. I really think my tranny will give me problem again,
CVTs are very good...until they break. Going home yesterday, the '18 Nissan Sentra SV got 47.9 mpg. The road is hilly and curvy. The theory is that the throttle opening and transmission ratio are optimized by the software for the accelerator pedal position. When I had a manual shift I got the best mileage by shifting into 5th (high) as soon as it wouldn't lug the engine. The engine would run smoothly in 5th at about 22 mph with a small throttle opening.
@Scotty Kilmer The real advantage of paddle shifters is that it allows you to downshift *before* you actually hit the accelerator, to be at maximum power rpm. You never need it on highways, but on those windy country roads with very limited passing opportunities, where waiting for the car to downshift eats up precious space. They also allow you to keep the balance of the car in sweeping corners where an unwanted upshift could upset the balance. Commuters will not understand. Drivers will. I'm happy that the manufacturers consider drivers with these features.
Paddle shifters aren't exclusive to dual clutch transmissions. Modern automatic transmissions are all computer-controlled. Many vehicles have switches that allow you to over-ride the programming to shift up/down when you want. The buttons usually take the form of a separate gate for the shifter, or paddle "shifters". They're not mechanically linked to the transmission. They just press switches connected to the transmission computer.
True - very nice if you downshift before a corner. However, it's really useful on the highway too if there's only a single lane in each direction. When you see that gap and you're ready to accelerate, you can be in the right gear and get much faster acceleration.
Just bought a one year old Hyundai Elantra GT Sport with a dual clutch transmission a few months ago. So far I like how much faster it shifts than any other vehicle I’ve owned. Hopefully it will last for a long time for me!
Scotty keeps bashing Chrysler, but my 2014 Chrysler 300S 3.6 V6 RWD has been pretty amazing. This engine puts out 300 hp and gets OVER 32 mpg on the highway with the 8 speed automatic. And it runs on REGULAR GAS!! I have not had a single issue with it. I think it’s a great used car to consider too, as it costs very little to run, can be purchased fairly cheap can be serviced relatively cheap and parts are readily available used. My two cents.....
My GTI has a DSG. It’s fun as hell to have relentless uninterrupted acceleration, launch control, and perfect downshifts. That said I wouldn’t want my mother driving one because you need to treat them like a manual (don’t creep in traffic, reverse is weird, etc) and they make no sense if you don’t drive hard enough to care about a seamless shift. It is nice to have the excitement and feel of a clutch based tranny combined with the comfort of an auto when you just wanna get home though. I can afford the expense and it’s fun. IMO Life is short, have fun. :)
The VW DSG dual-clutch gearbox requires service every 40k miles. I've owned 3 VWs with the dual-clutch gearboxes, and one Ford Focus with their dry dual-clutch. On 2 of the 3 VWs, I've driven 100k+ miles and haven't had any issues with their gearboxes. Note, I did follow the 40k service interval since I've bought VW's VAS6262 transmission oil change service tool. Our Ford Focus, on the other hand, 5k miles new from the factory started experiencing clutch slipping between gear changes and was absolute garbage!
You missed the biggest problem with these transmissions, and that is creeping at stop lights and such. People are used to torque converter transmissions where they can just take their foot off the brake a bit and creep forward. They do this all the time. With a dual clutch transmission, this wears the clutch each time, and because people are used to creeping forward in automatic transmissions, they usually wear out the first clutch on these transmissions pretty quickly. Then the cars start shuddering as you take off from a start. Like you said, a completely unnecessary transmission for the everyday driver.
I drive a ‘19 Fiesta with a 6 speed dual clutch transmission (my dealership ended up getting one exactly like mine but with a 5 speed manual AFTER i already bought mine.) but it feels like an automatic. When I creep ai of course tap the throttle a bit so as to not wear out the clutch each time. So far so good.
I have a dual clutch transmission and I paddle shift to lower a lower gear just to take the shock out of the computer down-shifting if you allow the computer to down-shift for you. When you slam the accelerator peddle to the floor the computer does slam the gears to the lower gear, but if you paddle to shift down first, then the there is no SLAMMING of the gears, because you over-ride the computer that will slam the gears.
I have an 8 speed DCT with torque converter in my 2017 acura ilx. Its been great so far, and i have another 5 years of acura warranty remaining on the powertrain but im pretty confident it'll do fine if i take care of it. I know the regular 9 speed transmission had issues, but this 8 speed DCT has been just fantastic.
From what I've read modern(in the last 7-8 years) Honda Automatics and most other modern DCT automatics are much more reliable, regardless if they have a torque converter or not.
@@BarbecuedPossum it's dct with torque converter to improve fuel efficiency further and make it smoother, especially at low speeds and from accelerating slowly from a stand still, I read today that regular DCTs are a little jittery at low speeds and at slow low speed acceleration
My wife has a VW with a dual clutch transmission. It was only replaced twice under warranty, and the third one is just fine! (so far). She asked me if my car has a sports mode. It's a manual transmission so I pointed at my head.
So... Scotty... Hyundai, on its downsized turbocharged engines offers 2 modern 7-speed dry clutch transmissions (rated for 220 Nm & 340 Nm respectively). 1. The dct feels great and shifts great. 2. Drive it like you would a manual transmission. Don't inch, don't use it to hold position on a hill (not that you could... They have hill start assist by default). 3. They have a 5 year warranty. If the clutch pack fails during this time, the replacement is free. Since they cover it with a warranty (as opposed to a manual clutch, that is simply a consumable), odds are it *won't* break in 5 years / unlimited miles. And if you take care of it, it will last you a good long time. Potentially the life of the car.
thank you Kain, I recently bough a hyundai GDI turbo with a DCT. I have read that if you treat them like a manual you should be okay, and switch out the fluid. also use top tier gas for the GDI and full synthetic oil for the turbo. I have been learning more about how to maintain my car now than I ever have now that I have the 3 moves of doom (GDI/Turbo/DCT) hahaha
It's only a couple more mpg, I can shift to 6th gear 35mph on a street and still able to keep up with traffic. Somtines I shift so smooth feels like automatic transmission, and sometimes I can shift so fast I swear I shift as fast as duel clutch. But either my flywheel not light enough, because when I shift like that, rpm drop slowly,it can keeps up with fast shifting
7G for repair and transmission oil change is just don't make sense on high mileage car. Both Beatles and Audi TT is know to be repair the transmission.
I have a 2006 VW Jetta TDI with a DCT with 250,000 miles and no problems. I do service it every 40,000 miles which is the key to it’s long life. Also, on line I have seen rebuilt units for less than $2,000. Just don’t ever take VWs back to the dealer after the warranty expires unless you just love throwing money away. Find a local shop that specializes in VW repair.
Hyundai is using DCTs in the Elantras, Konas, etc. Maybe they have been making them better. My Focus 2012 is actually giving me 34 mpg average. When the road allows I keep the engine in the 2000 rpm range or about 40 to 50 miles per hour when I use it. I think that one recall was done to reprogram the module and replace the clutches once.
Despite the recent recall on Hyundai 8 speed wet DCT transmissions, they're really solid units in the N cars. Plus the warranty is miles ahead of other manufacturers. Worst dual clutch out there is the Ford Focus. 10 years or so of that gearbox and they never quite got it sorted 😄
They had a recall on the clutch for the Focus and they replaced mine under recall just before I got to 100k miles for free. The main issue on those transmissions was the control module which is also a recall item. Over 170k now and still working fine.
I drive a Mercedes ML 350. I live in a hilly area and use the paddle shifters to down shift down hills and save my brakes. It works very well. I have over 50k miles and I'm still on the original front brakes.
I have left knee issues and had to give up manual transmissions. Thank God for the DCT!. It has been great and reliable, I have been lucky with the ones I have gotten by Audi.
Scotty, thanks for another get video!! I agree with you, no need for dual clutch on lower end car, but my wife has a 2018 porsche macan, 3 liter twin turbo with 7 speed dual clutch trans and when i am a good boy she lets me drive it and i have to say i am very impressed with the feel and speed of the shifts!!! My daily driver is a 2008 mustang gt with 5 speed auto which is a good average auto trans but the wife's 7 speed dual clutch is amazing, you gotta take a test drive and feel the difference...
I have a 2010 Volkswagen with 2.0T and DSG. (German initials for dual clutch gearbox I think). I drive like an absolute maniac so I love my DSG. 160,000 kilometers and zero problems so far. I hate paddle shifters too. The computer does a far far better job selecting gears. Step on the gas with the transmission in sport mode and the car goes like a rocket. Once you're past 5 to 10 km/hr shifts are ultra smooth. I had a manual transmission car in the past so that helps me understand what to do and what not to do with a dual clutch. I never creep in traffic. Deliberate full stop or deliberate go. I park on a slight downgrade where I live deliberately just to help out the clutch that little bit. If I were to park on the opposite side of the road I would drive off on an uphill so I avoid this. For the person who just wants a car to get around and does not care for cars or enjoy driving forget about it they will never stop complaining about the slight jerking at very low speeds and they will probably fry the whole thing creeping along in rush hour traffic letting one of the clutches slip. Also like you said they will think something is wrong with the car.
My 2018 Hyundai Kona has an 8 speed dual clutch transmission produced by Hyundai in-house. Yes you can shift manually, and yes in shifts very fast in auto mode, faster than I can shift manually, so I leave it in auto. Scotty has me a little worried about repair costs, but on the other hand it is covered by Hyundai's 10 year, 100,00 warrantee.
Have to treat a dry clutch DCT like a regular manual. Don't be inching up on another car in traffic every 3 seconds. Don't hold it on a hill at a stop without brakes. Go light on the gas from a start until the clutch is completely hooked up. In fact, drive at a slower steady speed in traffic while others are doing the ritualistic gas and brake dance. I had a manual car for 150k miles and sold it with the factory clutch still in it
My 2018 VW Passat GT only came with the DSG transmission, man that thing is clunky. When I am slowing down for a red light then it turns green and i hit the gas it'll clunk into another gear. When I put it into reverse it takes a few seconds before it finally finds reverse. I have taken it back to the dealer and had their mechanic drive it and the verdict was "thats how a dual clutch transmission works, you just need to get use to it". I really dont trust the dependability of that transmission.
Volkswagen DCT's require the fluid be changed every 30,000 miles. The fluid is not available to the public. The VW dealers charge $800 for that service.
@@instrumental My comment was based on several hours of research. If an independent performs this service, beware of what he is pouring into your transmission. Any way you cut this, it's an outrageous fee for the service.
YO! I heard you like an automatic transmission that shifts like a good manual transmission, *_so I placed a manual transmission inside a manual transmission inside an automatic transmission so it can clutch while it clutches while it shifts._* The Dual Clutch: _the Russian Nesting Doll of transmissions._
I drove up to 190,000 miles a 2006 VW TDI with a 1.9 diesel engine mated to a dual clutch tranny. It was the best marriage between an engine and a tranny I ever drove. The tranny handled and used the torque like they were made for each other. Not so the BMW 328d and ZF 8 speed I now drive, not nearly as sooth a combination.
Scotty, what do you think of the Dual Clutch Transmission on the KIA Cerato GT or Hyundai Elantra Sport? Are these Dual Clutch Transmission well made in Hyundai or KIA cars?
Fairies Flame I was tech in a hyundai shop. They are ONLY transmission I would get. Guess they got it right cause they are usually not broke usually a software update required or fluid change. unless you drive with two feet 🙄
About three years ago, I was riding in the back seat of a 2017 Honda Civic (most presumably *dual cluch* paddle shift technology) . Nice car, but the man (15 years my elder) who was driving it shifted to second or third gear well before exiting the interstate. That tiny 4 cylinder engine was screaming. Yours truly is never a backseat driver, insinuating how the person at the wheel should operate the vehicle isn't my place. I just keep my mouth zipped shut. Respect what a man does with his own car, his own business.
Getrag's design for Ford's Powershift DCT was actually beautifully simple. It was essentially just a manual with shift forks and clutch pressure plates being pushed with solenoids. The problem with them was the seal between the clutch pack and the fluid filled gear box. The seal would leak and get fluid on the clutches then they'd start to slip. I had a Fiesta with that issue and I loved that DCT until the seals leaked twice. Damn shame that such a small thing caused such a huge issue. Everyone I know with that DCT has had the seal leak.
I've owned a 2014 VW GLI for 4 years and put 40,000 miles on it. I have never had a transmission problem. If anything, I think the problem with the transmission is the driver. It doesn't have a torque converter so all the brake creeping and letting the transmission pull itself at idle people do messes it up.
I can picture Scotty all decked out in his uniform telling Spock and Kirk that the cloaking devices on the Klingon Warbirds are far superior that those on the Romulan Warbirds.
Honda just redesigned their Goldwing motorcycle and they now offer a DCT as an option. Everything I've seen and heard says that they really nailed it and it is nicer to drive than the manual shift version. To be fair, the transmission in my 2007 Goldwing sucks, so I'm thinking it's not too hard to do better than that. I've only managed to speak personally to one owner of a new Goldwing with the DCT and he loves it. He had a 2008 Goldwing and, like me, felt that the old transmission sucked, so he was absolutely delighted to move up to the DCT in the new Goldwing.
You don't read very well, do ya Lok! I said they BELONG in super cars ... I never said they were only in super cars ... what reading comprehension level did you achieve? 4th grade?
Zoltan doesn't get it either! Zoltan ... try to follow along here ... I'll speak slowly and in small words for you ... I'm saying that the application (oops, big word) of dual clutches is most suited for very powerful high performance engines.
Had a Ford Focus with a Getrag Dual Clutch trans. Try driving that car extensively in the creep and crawl traffic in San Francisco. It was a disaster. You are absolutely right. Great for the autobahn or driving up Highway 1, but definitely not in traffic. After numerous trips to the dealership, we got rid of it.
My old VW golf R32 had one and it was a complete and utter nightmare, the most unreliable gearbox in existence. I'm sticking to conventional torque converter automatic gearbox and will never ever buy a car that's got DCT
DSG is great, just bare in mind to change the oil with filter every 5k to 6k miles or 8k to 10k kilometers. Most problems come from not maintaining them properly. Same goes for the engines. Change that bloody oil and you'll be good :)
@@WestSideConnection5 It all depends on how do you like to drive and how much. Japanese engineers suggest to change both the engine and transmission oil every 10k. If you are going really hard then change even sooner.
Disagree that there is no point in using the paddle shifters. My 2023 Kona N with 8spd DCT sometimes shifts more frequently than you want. By using the paddles, you can keep it in the gear that works smoothly.....particularly through long, sweeping corners. Another instance I prefer manual control is when I go up the steep hill on our road first thing in the morning and my DCT shifts to 2nd at a very low rpm. I prefer to leave it in 1st and drive slowly (1800rpm) up the hill.
Ok, Scotty, you spent eight minutes on "What is a dual clutch transmission?" without ever telling us what they actually are. Everything you said applies to any automatic transmission. I know they're fast, and they get better mileage, but what do they actually do? (Rhetorical question; I do know.) From what I've heard, they're pretty clunky at low speed, especially if you're parallel parking. And anything that clunks is probably not going to last.
Hey Scotty My Ford DCT is fun and fast :) just learn to drive it... no creeping... put it in Neutral in traffic... change the DCT fluid every 30k kms... :)
Lambic Brew what do you mean “put it in neutral” in traffic? Can you elaborate more on that? Like when you’re stopped, you put it in neutral, and when you’re ready to move, you put the car into drive? Or, do you mean when you are coming to a stop, shift it to neutral before braking? I just replaced my clutch and want to take care of my 2016 Ford Focus se better...I adore this car😔
Same here. But I think the main issue is... dealerships usually don't disclose the transmission type. My car's transmission on the site was listed as automatic. While on other sites, nothing is listed. So people generally don't know what they're buying.
I own a 2009 Volks Jetta TDI with the DSG transmission and I never had problem with it to this day. I am at 300 000 km and the transmission runs like new. Only thing I noticed from the beginning, you need a good, fresh and fully charged battery. If the battery becomes too low on power for any reason, the transmission will become crazy. It doesn't know how to shift anymore, or doesn't even engage at all. The car becomes impossible to run. But with a fully charged battery, I never had any issues. And I must say, the last couple of years, I have not been too meticulous on oil change on the DSG. I did the engine oil change but the tranny is long past due. Talking about that, I will have to take an appointement soon to change it (the oil, not the tranny). All in all, I really like this transmission, I have been lucky I guess.
I've heard they've had programming issues that made them shift early/late. Issue completely fixed and updated in the 2019 model though. (according to carcomplaints.com)
Hopefully Scotty can elaborate, but Toyota/Lexus transmissions are built in house and are considered some of the most reliable transmissions around. The 8 speed in the new Camry is the same design that Lexus put into the 2007-2017 LS460. Lots of them with over 200k on the forums. I would know, my LS460 has been flawless and I'm at 150k
A DSG (direct shift gearbox) is basically a DCT or dual clutch transmission. DSG still uses two clutches but has more moving parts and more complex computer code. Thus it comes with added complexity of more rotating shafts, it is heavier, runs hotter and less fuel efficient than a DCT. As much as I hate CVT's, I would still buy the Accord with a CVT as it has a proven reliability record with that model as compared to the Camry DSG.
@@C6BlueDevil All high end Toyotas and Lexus-es (Lexi?) Use transmissions built by an independent company called Aisin. Toyota over the years have slowly bought up 30% of Aisin but that's the max they can buy. Aisin makes transmissions for other manufacturers too like Hyundai and Volvo.
According to what you say, a driver using paddle shifters will achieve the same gear shift in the same ~60 ms. as the computer. The paddle shifters trigger the shift, not dictate the speed at which the gears actually shift, like the movements of a manual stick shift would.
He did one. Toyota was okay. Most of the others sucked. Nissan sucked the worst. I have a Corolla with a CVT. It's a little different but I really like it. The coolest thing, when going downhill the cruise control will downshift to engine brake. That was weird at first, but once understood it's very nice.
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Scotty can you tell me what you think about Renault Megane 1.9D 47kw Phase 1? I wanted to sell it but I don't have confidence in electronics in new cars, what should I do? Greetings from Bosnia.
Scotty why do you have a picture of a Nissan GTR in your video but yet don't say not one word about the Nissan GTR🤔
Lotus made one for Ferrari I believe.
Scotty Kilmer SCOTTY MY MAN! I have a question for you.
What do you think of a 2014 VW Passat 3.6L VR6 and a DSG(VW’s dual clutch transmission)? I own one with 70K miles and it runs good but I wish it was a little quicker. I do live in Michigan so the weather and roads aren’t great...
What mods should I do or should I trade it for something else? If I should trade it in with a 25K budget in mind, what should I get?
Help me Scotty, your advice would mean the WORLD. Thanks!
It does make sense to put them in smaller cars
Gas mileage, they dont use torque converters so you dont lose that efficiency
I can get over 50mpg in my focus on the highway doing 53 mph
Besides only having to change the special gear oil every 150k miles they are actually very reliable, ford had problems with '12-'14 models because of a bad seal, its fixed now, it is bucky on take off if you dont accelerate in sync but other than that it shifts super smooth, I deliver dominos in mine & know the car well I put over 50k miles on it in my '16
I have a dual clutch car, the hardest part is to change gears with two clutch pedals...
Lol
Lmfaooo.... awesome comment
Dual shifters too?
The most annoying part is the Transmission oil change.
MANUAL SHIFTING EXPERIENCE LEVEL: *ELITE EXPERT*
I've driven a GTI with a DSG for almost 5 years, thousands and thousands of miles. It has been one of the best transmissions I have ever had, and this is coming from someone who swore by manual only.
Never had any breakdown? are you sure?
@@yahtadi5152 I have a Skoda Octavia DSG 200000 Kms and no problems
M Yahtadi S Haven't had any problems with mine either, 80k miles later. Maybe the OP, like me, has no interest in modifying their GTI and keeps up with the maintenance.
I have heard the same from another driver with a 2012 GTI. That thing is still running on an APR tune. Just keep up on the maintenance
Its an automated manual so still a manual!
3 things I learned from scotty :
1. go toyota
2. prefer manual transmissions
3. avoid the endless money pits
Why would you avoid endless money pits? Why not go into the pit and get the money? Duh!
I got a toyota but even toyota makes dual clutch transmissions now. It's really hard to find a good manual car these days where i'm from
Toyota isn't that great anymore I think. In Europe all they have are underpowered1.2 liter turbocharged engines that just barely achive a smidge over 100 HP (And that's the HP with the turbo that loves to break) IMHO Turbo due to it's nature is a shortlived part even if Toyota made. You're not going to have any fun driving a mid sized SUV like the C-HR powered by an engine like that. Many of them also have CVT so I think a new Toyota today is a money pit 5 years from now.
@@Shattered-Realm i got a vitz rs 1.5 L non turbo but i got the cvt instead of manual. Believe me i was looking for a manual but those car are verry rare to find these days. Is the cvt really that bad?
@@ibj3 They are prone to wear out and break quickly and are a lot less durable than MT. When they break you can't just repair it you need to replace the entire transmission costing 5000$+
Check out Scotty's video on CVT.
Anyway if you got one it's probably not the end of the world if you're leasing it. A brand new car is pretty much guaranteed to last through the standard 3 year lease cycle. After that it's not your problem. Also the Vitz is a Toyota which is probably the most reliable brand in the world sooooo it could be OK.
As for myself after test driving many vehicles and months of research on this channel and many like it I bought a Mazda CX-3 manual transmission with a decent displacement 2.0 engine without the turbocharger which is another part prone to wearing out quickly.
Dual Clutch Transmission
3:19 alot heavier than a normal transmission.
3:38 more expensive to repair....and they break down quite a bit.
4:46 slushy at lower speeds.
5:08 Ford has a class action pending against them for the dual clutch transmission.
5:34 Scotty would never buy one (DCT) & wouldn't advise someone to buy one.
Thanks for valuable advise Scotty!
which "lower end" fords .?
@@nunyabeeswax3936 2012~2016 focus and 2011~2016 fiesta.
Christopher Palmer they do
nunya beeswax all of them
What about vw dual clutch tramisson
Rev up your engines...I mean not too much that'll cause some reeeal expensive damage and no one wants that. Ha!
Clerks or a German car 😂
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Paddle shifters got me through my mid-life crisis.
Ill just buy a yamaha yxz with paddle shifters then, at least that vehicle will last longer than any dual clutch car.
They are utterly pointless LoL
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@@jayryan7473 they really are not, try downshifting going down a mountain with a traditional auto. Or feel free destroying your brakes. I rather use paddles in that case
@@Hallowsaw my 93 Taurus was very easy to downshift with, 4 speed auto. D, 3, 2, 1. Pull the Column shift towards you, push down half an inch, slide it forward and boom you’ve downshifted on a hill.
I'm very happy with the 6-speed manual in my 370Z sport coupe. The transmission has an interesting feature called "Synchro Rev Match that will automatically adjust the engine speed on upshifts or down shifts so as to match gear speeds on the intermediate and output shafts. This results in very smooth gear changes. This is technology put to good use and not just a marketing gimmick.
I love dual clutch transmissions. It's a vastly better drive. All the benefits of manual, with less effort and faster gear changes.
Tested a car with DCT and later one with Torque Converter. Glad that I went with the first car. Not that there is something wrong with TC, just prefer the feel of DTC more, despite jerkines at low speed.
After 5 years and 65k km, still feels great.
Summary: If you fear the transimission unit malfunction, or you consider yourself "Hard-core driver" - get the manual. But if you want auto-transmission and are willing to accept that things can go wrong at some point, DCT is a great transmission to have.
Cheers
Ford focus with the dct. put in clutch packs twice and was needing a third when I got rid of it and not that many miles. Lucky it was covered by Ford on the first two.
Put 30,000 miles on a DCT with no dramas. Not mega miles but not insignificant.
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Scotty literally right after advertisement ends: Chrysler is junkkk.
@@thomassmith6027 lol no
they are junk tho
Yeah they are!!
Thomas Smith no defamation because it’s true 🤣
Let's not forget that the Dodge Demon is made by Chrysler...
I'll take a DCT over a CVT any day.
I guess you weren't listening closely. They are both krap.
@@frankfarago2825 why the hell they only sold transmission with lifespan common lease duration when iMT with reliable hardware could last forever even the i part is broken ? ohh right i just answer my own question.
@@frankfarago2825 DCT is based on the concept of a manual transmission, but uses two hydraulically controlled clutches instead. Honda had something like this for the last 30 years. The Hondamatic is basically a DCT but uses a single clutch. Not all DCT's are trash. I sure as hell wouldn't buy a ford economy car with one though. The real garbage is CVT.
As I understand this Cvt transmissions they are rubbish. The only use of it is to make things like cars cheaper
The only vehicles with reliable DCT transmissions are small Honda motorcycles. ✌🏼
But, seriously. Those tiny motorcycles can last longer than 15 years. 👌🏼
But the cars, well, good luck finding one than can grow old with you. 👋🏼
I like how scotty wiggles his arm when he mentions stick shifts/standard transmissions😂😂😂
Scotty's always waving his arms around. He can't help it.
Mr. McBeavy yeah but the way he does it when he talks about stick shifts. He balls up his fist and wiggles the gears around. Idk what it is about that that’s funny to me😂
Mr. McBeavy like in minute 1:12. Look at his right hand
It's a habit that most manual transmission owners have. They jiggle the stick shift around when it's in neutral just to make sure it's in neutral.
And, really, who doesn't want to jiggle their stick shift?
Scotty must be part Italian
Scotty, how much ethanol did you drink before filming?
3 cups of coffee before each video..
Lol 😂
All of it!
I was guessing a couple shots of wild turkey.
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Don't let him touch your butt
I love the dct in my Acura! 230k miles, 15 years old & going strong!
I buy 5/6 speed for the fun factor it feels like your more connected to the car makes you more mindful of driving situations to because you have to be ready to shift
*Dont let this distract you from the fact that the new Koenigsegg Jesko has 7 clutches.... let that sink in*
WHAT???????????????????????????
Their transmission are most similar to that of a top fuel dragster. There isn't one
@@zainrean yep ... crazy isnt it
@@seanforsythe78 the Regera is the car with only a torque converter. A torque converter is nothing like what is in a top fuel car which has a true clutch. To say there isn't a transmission is accurate but the operation of the two mechanisms are totally different. The top fuel car uses timing and springs and true clutch plates, the torque converter uses fluid dynamics to operate. A little research will show the difference.
@@TheBluegoatman i didn't say that it WAS that of a dragster clutch kit, i said that it was most similar to that of a dragster, as apposed to a conventional automotive transmission.
Ford did this apparently to have a car that saved on gas. This DCT alledgedly did this. In a way it did. It spent more time in the shop than it did out on the road burning gas. lol! Nice job Ford!
HAHAHAHA well said bro! Just sold my fiesta a couple of months ago and glad that i get rid of it! Too lucky that the tranny got broke just in time after i sold it 😅😅
Dct is good if you go to the right manufacturer, also another thing that ruins a dct is inching along during rush hour. Wait several feet, then move up and if the stop light is long, then put it in neutral or your straining the clutch. Dct was designed for racing like he said. Thats what happen with the 2010 camrys and up is from owners not using the brakes and instead were shifting down or inching along. They are great if you know how to take care of it.
BMW DCT and Porsche PDK are known to be really reliable. Amazing transmissions.
mi ke I can attest to both. Both are really well built and handle abuse.
still would rather have a duel clutch over a cvt
i am so glad was able to sell my cvt nissan
duel vs dual
mark p thanks gramarnazi
6 speed manual FTW
@@chuckasualty don't get mad at him because you can't spell. You learned something new didn't you? You should thank him for teaching you the difference between *duel* and *dual*.
The real problems with these Dual Clutch systems are the clutches themselves burnt out easily if you are always stuck in traffic jam in hot weather. Not only that, Volkswagen had these mechatronics failure probably got to do with the gear oil they use that shorted the electronics inside the transmission when heated up too much. Ford's dual clutch transmission is built by Getrag, it is less refined than Volkswagen ones but they have the same problems . Those Dry Clutch DCT are the worst ones, shitty durability. You can find them in Volkswagen Golf TSI 1.4L , and Ford Fiesta. Wet clutches (clutches are soaked in oil like those in motorbikes) ones are alot better but they are only found in much more expensive and powerful cars. You will find them in Golf GTI 2.0L and VW Tiguan 1.4L.
So far only Honda manage to fix the dual clutch problems. It is mated to a hybrid car. In traffic jam situations on low speeds, the electric motor is used to creep forward instead of slipping the clutch to prevent the engine from stalling like those that pair with a conventional engine. That eliminates all the jerking motion and clutch overheating issues. Honda started using this kind of combination from the new NSX . Now Honda City and Jazz Hybrid has this kind of transmission and I never heard any failures even though my country can reach 36 Celsius on a hot day. True, it doesn't shift as fast as DCT from Volkswagen, but hey its reliable which is much more important. I buy a car to drive it everyday, not to park in a mechanic's garage all the time to fix.
I’m worried now. I bought a ‘19 Fiesta back in March. I live in Vegas, and our temps reach around 115+ in the summer. Although I heard the newer models are a lot better than the older ones.
Thank you for sharing about how Honda uses them in combination with a hybrid system
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Pick a good girl from church, who has a stable family and a reasonable future, preferably drives a Toyota. If she has a 1994 Celica 🔥🥵
A Priests "Love" position is most likely one where he is the "owner" of two of four feet in close proximity, both pairs facing in the same direction
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The idea of paddles is to control the RPM to stay in power range during cornering, in addition to utilizing the engine for breaking proactively. It's the main reason rally drivers and GT drivers still use linear (up down) sticks or paddles on 2 pedal vehicles.
I recently bought a 2018 Ford Fiesta SE with the PowerShift dual clutch transmission and I must say, Ford has really ironed out all of the problems the PowerShift transmissions had back when it came out. It shifts so smoothly, my car's acceleration is great, and it doesn't have that rubber band like lag of the CVTs. Too bad Ford is discontinuing the Fiesta after 2019.
I have a '18 Fiesta SE too and it's been great. None of the problems that showed up early in the older powershifts are present in nine. I don't creep in traffic but when I accelerate the shifts are perfect and the manual sport mode is a blast to drive in.
Scotty is referencing old information, many years ago when they first came out DCT's were problematic. They have sorted all that out for the past 10-15 years. I have an eight year old GTI DCT with over 150,000 miles, and it drives great, never a single issue with the transmission. And I drive that thing hard every chance I get, I even took it to several DE days (road course track driving). The only thing is I change fluids religiously at about half the mileage VW recommends. I bought it when it was a year old and already had 20K on it.
Come to think of it, the only issues I have had were a leaking water pump, wheel bearings (twice), ignition coils, and I put new shocks on it at around 120K. But it has never left me stranded and it is a fun practical car. These days DCT's are very reliable, drive great, are only about 50 lbs more than a standard (and the same as a regular auto), accelerate faster and provide better gas mileage. And the cost of repair is only slightly more than a regular auto/manual. The two potential failures is the clutch packs or the control unit, and either can be replaced for around $1K to $2K, not much more than a standard transmission repair cost, and they are very reliable so...
I have a 2017 Chevy 1 ton van for my business. It has a 6 speed automatic, and I have over a 100K on it and the trany is AMAZING! I get 20 MPG (mostly all highway) and it works flawlessly. I love it.
My car has a duel clutch trans. It's fun to drive but the best use is that you can hold the car in gear longer and stop it hunting for gears when going up hills etc. The key to avoiding trouble is to sell the car before it gives you any 😆
I was a manual purist untill I drove my friends 2017 gti dsg I loved the transmission so I went and bought myself a 2007 Audi A3 3.2 vr6 with the same dsg transmission they haven't changed it since 07 it's a very good trans 180k on mine still going strong I change the fluid and filter every 35k miles
Yep that's why I still have my 5 speed manual they just don't break.
Damn straight. Enjoy your lifeless experience and retarded maintenance costs.
Clutches go out. I’ve never had a torque converter go out.
@@adamjhuber Who do they go out with?
@@adamjhuber never seen a clutch convert a tenth of your fuel into heat unless its slipping
clutch disc breaks
I had a 2015 vw tiguan with 6speed dsg wet clutch , the gearbox seemed confuse while i drove under 10kph in traffic jam, it kept shifting from gear 1 to 2 and back to 1 repeatedly. I replaced 4 abs sensors twice in 3 years of ownership. The aircon sometimes didnt want to blow ice cold air, it was junk . In just 3 years of ownership the car lost half the price when itwas new. Thanks scotty , now i drive a toyota, no problems at all 😂
My little Kia Rio has a 1.0 turbo 118 bhp 3 cylinder GDI engine and a 7 speed DCT, bought it new with the 7 yr warranty and up to now it's amazing to drive and feels really fast. The DCT is smooth and quick all what Scotty says for both this engine and gearbox may be true but for Mr average the car will be long gone before it breaks.
I owned a 1954 Chrysler New Yorker. It had what was called a "Fluid Drive" This was kind of a semi-automatic transmission, in that you had a clutch pedal to put it into drive or reverse. After that, in order to shift, you had to let up on the accelerator and it would shift "automatically" up to the next gear.. Kept you from having to always push in the clutch. This transmission evolved into the "Torqueflite", which was a good transmission used for a long time, even in racing.
Scotty thankx for the PT cruiser video I learned quite a few things to help me diag cars quicker.
I have a dual clutch transmission (M-DCT), in my BMW M2. It is smooth as silk and no doubt helps acceleration. For me at least, it's been a great option.
For an M2 I think a DCT makes sense.
Bill Zipprich you’re not driving your car;
some computer is, or more accurately some German scientist in a BMW lab is via the chip he put in your car;
basically you’re driving a drone;
I'm exited to hear you praise the manual transmission. Preach the truth Scotty!
Not really praise, he already said computers do better than us and it sure as hell doesn't have to be a dual clutch
How old are you 14 Jesus we all like manual and we all like automatic for the crowded city
CVTs are garbage.
@@nikoss.kiriakis3268 they are fun
20502chris You’ve missed the point of a manual then. And I don’t care. Miss out. You either know or you don’t at this point. Manual is dying and there’s no saving it anyway so there’s no point explaining.
I unfortunately had bought a brand new ford focus back in 2014, gears were grinding as soon as I bought it. Especially going uphill, took it to the dealership and told them about the problem, they told me there was a squirrels nest in my transmission and that they had fixed the problem, and there should be no more problems. As soon as I left there was no difference in the grinding gears. Needless to say, I’m glad I totaled that car, and will never go back to ford again. I also didn’t know a lot about cars then, but now I do thanks to Scotty
Don't buy another DCT vehicle, either!
The problem with the Getrag transmission from Ford was the seals. The seals were failing due to the fluid. They came out with new seals that won't deteriorate . Problem fixed.
And it only took 6 years to get it figured out...
the problem is that nowadays you have only the choice between DSG and CTV. Both cost a fortune to repair. The CRV is slow as dirt on top of that and many car makers have huge problems with this crap as well. The newer VW DSG's should be OK though. They killed most of those bugs. Personally, I still drive stick shift though. I just don' wanna take chances of a $6k repair bill.
It's a conspiracy... squeeze people's pockets until there's nothing. Personally I'd take my chances with the DSG and fix it myself if something went wrong since it should be simpler.
I have 2 cars at the moment with dual clutch transmissions. One is a Volvo and the other is an Audi. They are completely different from one and another; the Volvo is "slushy" that is it takes up the clutch slowly and seeing that it's designed for efficiency it's a little slow in shifting and at slow speed like parking, its a bit of a pain. The Audi, is very different and newer. It's automatic setting is very smooth even at low speed at when driving quickly it shifts pretty quick. Put it in dynamic mode, at it is really quick shifting. I still have a manual (stick shift) car to drive; and i still enjoy driving that. you can't heel and toe in a dsg car!
I like Scotty. Can watch him after midnight, family asleep, mute is on, no audio only vision, and I can understand everything.
Hey Scotty, love all your posts , you're the best. I bought a 2013 Ford focus se used 3 yrs back here in Toronto for $5,300 with 145,000 km. had a duel clutch transmission issue right away , so took it back to the dealership,they fixed it for free from a recall they've issued. Now is 2019, warranty is over, I really want to get rid of it before my tranny breaks again. I have no confidence with this repair at the dealership. I really think my tranny will give me problem again,
What did you do with it, Peter?
I have a 2014 Focus and it's been replaced twice! Piece of garbage. Sell it now!
CVTs are very good...until they break.
Going home yesterday, the '18 Nissan Sentra SV got 47.9 mpg. The road is hilly and curvy.
The theory is that the throttle opening and transmission ratio are optimized by the software for the accelerator pedal position.
When I had a manual shift I got the best mileage by shifting into 5th (high) as soon as it wouldn't lug the engine. The engine would run smoothly in 5th at about 22 mph with a small throttle opening.
@Scotty Kilmer The real advantage of paddle shifters is that it allows you to downshift *before* you actually hit the accelerator, to be at maximum power rpm. You never need it on highways, but on those windy country roads with very limited passing opportunities, where waiting for the car to downshift eats up precious space.
They also allow you to keep the balance of the car in sweeping corners where an unwanted upshift could upset the balance.
Commuters will not understand. Drivers will. I'm happy that the manufacturers consider drivers with these features.
Paddle shifters aren't exclusive to dual clutch transmissions. Modern automatic transmissions are all computer-controlled. Many vehicles have switches that allow you to over-ride the programming to shift up/down when you want. The buttons usually take the form of a separate gate for the shifter, or paddle "shifters". They're not mechanically linked to the transmission. They just press switches connected to the transmission computer.
True - very nice if you downshift before a corner. However, it's really useful on the highway too if there's only a single lane in each direction. When you see that gap and you're ready to accelerate, you can be in the right gear and get much faster acceleration.
Just bought a one year old Hyundai Elantra GT Sport with a dual clutch transmission a few months ago. So far I like how much faster it shifts than any other vehicle I’ve owned. Hopefully it will last for a long time for me!
Check the heat and replace fluid at regular intervals, 30k mi I believe.
Chrysler has had transmission trouble for over 50yrs? The 727/904 transmission was the best transmissions of there time.
Scotty keeps bashing Chrysler, but my 2014 Chrysler 300S 3.6 V6 RWD has been pretty amazing. This engine puts out 300 hp and gets OVER 32 mpg on the highway with the 8 speed automatic. And it runs on REGULAR GAS!! I have not had a single issue with it. I think it’s a great used car to consider too, as it costs very little to run, can be purchased fairly cheap can be serviced relatively cheap and parts are readily available used. My two cents.....
My GTI has a DSG. It’s fun as hell to have relentless uninterrupted acceleration, launch control, and perfect downshifts. That said I wouldn’t want my mother driving one because you need to treat them like a manual (don’t creep in traffic, reverse is weird, etc) and they make no sense if you don’t drive hard enough to care about a seamless shift.
It is nice to have the excitement and feel of a clutch based tranny combined with the comfort of an auto when you just wanna get home though. I can afford the expense and it’s fun. IMO Life is short, have fun. :)
They do creep in traffic and reverse is not weird.
The VW DSG dual-clutch gearbox requires service every 40k miles. I've owned 3 VWs with the dual-clutch gearboxes, and one Ford Focus with their dry dual-clutch. On 2 of the 3 VWs, I've driven 100k+ miles and haven't had any issues with their gearboxes. Note, I did follow the 40k service interval since I've bought VW's VAS6262 transmission oil change service tool. Our Ford Focus, on the other hand, 5k miles new from the factory started experiencing clutch slipping between gear changes and was absolute garbage!
You missed the biggest problem with these transmissions, and that is creeping at stop lights and such. People are used to torque converter transmissions where they can just take their foot off the brake a bit and creep forward. They do this all the time. With a dual clutch transmission, this wears the clutch each time, and because people are used to creeping forward in automatic transmissions, they usually wear out the first clutch on these transmissions pretty quickly. Then the cars start shuddering as you take off from a start. Like you said, a completely unnecessary transmission for the everyday driver.
I drive a ‘19 Fiesta with a 6 speed dual clutch transmission (my dealership ended up getting one exactly like mine but with a 5 speed manual AFTER i already bought mine.) but it feels like an automatic. When I creep ai of course tap the throttle a bit so as to not wear out the clutch each time. So far so good.
Not true because computers will disengage the clutches to avoid excessive wear.
I have a dual clutch transmission and I paddle shift to lower a lower gear just to take the shock out of the computer down-shifting if you allow the computer to down-shift for you. When you slam the accelerator peddle to the floor the computer does slam the gears to the lower gear, but if you paddle to shift down first, then the there is no SLAMMING of the gears, because you over-ride the computer that will slam the gears.
I have an 8 speed DCT with torque converter in my 2017 acura ilx. Its been great so far, and i have another 5 years of acura warranty remaining on the powertrain but im pretty confident it'll do fine if i take care of it. I know the regular 9 speed transmission had issues, but this 8 speed DCT has been just fantastic.
From what I've read modern(in the last 7-8 years) Honda Automatics and most other modern DCT automatics are much more reliable, regardless if they have a torque converter or not.
But that's just an auto not a dct?
@@BarbecuedPossum there are dual clutch transmissions with a torque converter.
@@rattlehead999 but the one in the acura it just says 8 spd auto
@@BarbecuedPossum it's dct with torque converter to improve fuel efficiency further and make it smoother, especially at low speeds and from accelerating slowly from a stand still, I read today that regular DCTs are a little jittery at low speeds and at slow low speed acceleration
My wife has a VW with a dual clutch transmission. It was only replaced twice under warranty, and the third one is just fine! (so far). She asked me if my car has a sports mode. It's a manual transmission so I pointed at my head.
So right. Dct is really meant for sports cars. Not such a good idea for economy cars.
I get 47mpg average with my DSG and I bet it lasts 400-600k miles. Yeah I could save a few bucks with a manual but for an auto it’s the best.
Not true at all. It's a great option in the VW Golf.
So... Scotty... Hyundai, on its downsized turbocharged engines offers 2 modern 7-speed dry clutch transmissions (rated for 220 Nm & 340 Nm respectively).
1. The dct feels great and shifts great.
2. Drive it like you would a manual transmission. Don't inch, don't use it to hold position on a hill (not that you could... They have hill start assist by default).
3. They have a 5 year warranty. If the clutch pack fails during this time, the replacement is free. Since they cover it with a warranty (as opposed to a manual clutch, that is simply a consumable), odds are it *won't* break in 5 years / unlimited miles. And if you take care of it, it will last you a good long time. Potentially the life of the car.
thank you Kain, I recently bough a hyundai GDI turbo with a DCT.
I have read that if you treat them like a manual you should be okay, and switch out the fluid. also use top tier gas for the GDI and full synthetic oil for the turbo. I have been learning more about how to maintain my car now than I ever have now that I have the 3 moves of doom (GDI/Turbo/DCT) hahaha
I loved my dual clutch DSG on my 2012 VW Eos, super smooth and swift shifting
I have an Audi A6 with dual clutch transmission and i love it… so smooth shifting and super fast response
The computer may get you better gas mileage.
But it's so expensive you'll never equal out the savings.
That's y you just buy a normal auto
@@20502chris or better yet a standard because their is no such thing as a normal auto anymore. Even standards are going away too.
Ironic
It's only a couple more mpg, I can shift to 6th gear 35mph on a street and still able to keep up with traffic. Somtines I shift so smooth feels like automatic transmission, and sometimes I can shift so fast I swear I shift as fast as duel clutch. But either my flywheel not light enough, because when I shift like that, rpm drop slowly,it can keeps up with fast shifting
7G for repair and transmission oil change is just don't make sense on high mileage car.
Both Beatles and Audi TT is know to be repair the transmission.
I have a 2006 VW Jetta TDI with a DCT with 250,000 miles and no problems. I do service it every 40,000 miles which is the key to it’s long life. Also, on line I have seen rebuilt units for less than $2,000. Just don’t ever take VWs back to the dealer after the warranty expires unless you just love throwing money away. Find a local shop that specializes in VW repair.
I only drive manual transmission cars, I don't care how fast I shift, I just enjoy driving and manual transmissions are more fun to drive.
Hyundai is using DCTs in the Elantras, Konas, etc. Maybe they have been making them better. My Focus 2012 is actually giving me 34 mpg average. When the road allows I keep the engine in the 2000 rpm range or about 40 to 50 miles per hour when I use it. I think that one recall was done to reprogram the module and replace the clutches once.
Love u Scotty!! You have the best Auto repair channel,
So much information and so much funny.
So much funny wahhhahaha. Great stuff
Despite the recent recall on Hyundai 8 speed wet DCT transmissions, they're really solid units in the N cars. Plus the warranty is miles ahead of other manufacturers. Worst dual clutch out there is the Ford Focus. 10 years or so of that gearbox and they never quite got it sorted 😄
The Focus, and the Fiesta are fine. Re-set the system, for very different kinds of drivers.
They had a recall on the clutch for the Focus and they replaced mine under recall just before I got to 100k miles for free. The main issue on those transmissions was the control module which is also a recall item. Over 170k now and still working fine.
But the traditional torque converter is going away too. I'd rather have fun with a good dual clutch than with a cvt
Torque converters going away? I guess Koegnigseggnogg didn't get that memo. Neither did the engineers of the dodge demon.
I get your point though.
I drive a Mercedes ML 350. I live in a hilly area and use the paddle shifters to down shift down hills and save my brakes. It works very well. I have over 50k miles and I'm still on the original front brakes.
brakes are cheap, dcts are expensive, so better to maintain brakes than dcts
If it’s something new, Scotty hates it! 😂 that’s what I’ve gathered over the years.
I have left knee issues and had to give up manual transmissions. Thank God for the DCT!. It has been great and reliable, I have been lucky with the ones I have gotten by Audi.
I had a 2011 VW GTI DSG. It was a blast to drive.
wildwest1 had one too. It was si fun to drive. Revs had a little drop around 2k but the fun factor made it al worth it
Scotty, thanks for another get video!! I agree with you, no need for dual clutch on lower end car, but my wife has a 2018 porsche macan, 3 liter twin turbo with 7 speed dual clutch trans and when i am a good boy she lets me drive it and i have to say i am very impressed with the feel and speed of the shifts!!! My daily driver is a 2008 mustang gt with 5 speed auto which is a good average auto trans but the wife's 7 speed dual clutch is amazing, you gotta take a test drive and feel the difference...
I have a 2010 Volkswagen with 2.0T and DSG. (German initials for dual clutch gearbox I think). I drive like an absolute maniac so I love my DSG. 160,000 kilometers and zero problems so far. I hate paddle shifters too. The computer does a far far better job selecting gears. Step on the gas with the transmission in sport mode and the car goes like a rocket. Once you're past 5 to 10 km/hr shifts are ultra smooth. I had a manual transmission car in the past so that helps me understand what to do and what not to do with a dual clutch. I never creep in traffic. Deliberate full stop or deliberate go. I park on a slight downgrade where I live deliberately just to help out the clutch that little bit. If I were to park on the opposite side of the road I would drive off on an uphill so I avoid this. For the person who just wants a car to get around and does not care for cars or enjoy driving forget about it they will never stop complaining about the slight jerking at very low speeds and they will probably fry the whole thing creeping along in rush hour traffic letting one of the clutches slip. Also like you said they will think something is wrong with the car.
Do you shift modes while running? Like from economy to sport mode
My 2018 Hyundai Kona has an 8 speed dual clutch transmission produced by Hyundai in-house. Yes you can shift manually, and yes in shifts very fast in auto mode, faster than I can shift manually, so I leave it in auto. Scotty has me a little worried about repair costs, but on the other hand it is covered by Hyundai's 10 year, 100,00 warrantee.
Hyundais are good, don't worry
I like how the DCT shifts on my Hyundai however the clutch it shot and is being replaced at 26k miles. Not a good sign for the longevity of my car.
That's how it works with the dry clutches. Especially if you do lots of city driving.
Have to treat a dry clutch DCT like a regular manual. Don't be inching up on another car in traffic every 3 seconds. Don't hold it on a hill at a stop without brakes. Go light on the gas from a start until the clutch is completely hooked up. In fact, drive at a slower steady speed in traffic while others are doing the ritualistic gas and brake dance. I had a manual car for 150k miles and sold it with the factory clutch still in it
My 2018 VW Passat GT only came with the DSG transmission, man that thing is clunky. When I am slowing down for a red light then it turns green and i hit the gas it'll clunk into another gear. When I put it into reverse it takes a few seconds before it finally finds reverse. I have taken it back to the dealer and had their mechanic drive it and the verdict was "thats how a dual clutch transmission works, you just need to get use to it". I really dont trust the dependability of that transmission.
Volkswagen DCT's require the fluid be changed every 30,000 miles. The fluid is not available to the public. The VW dealers charge $800 for that service.
Ecs tuning sells tranny oil for vw and Audi ..man even rock auto sells it
40k. You can find the fluid. Independent shops charge 450. But there's always diy. Your comment is pretty useless
@@instrumental My comment was based on several hours of research. If an independent performs this service, beware of what he is pouring into your transmission. Any way you cut this, it's an outrageous fee for the service.
YO! I heard you like an automatic transmission that shifts like a good manual transmission, *_so I placed a manual transmission inside a manual transmission inside an automatic transmission so it can clutch while it clutches while it shifts._*
The Dual Clutch: _the Russian Nesting Doll of transmissions._
What do you think of Hyundai/Kia dual cluch trans made for economy and it's very small compared to the other dual clutch transmission.
Preston Payne yes as in the 2020 Kia Soul turbo?
Probably drives quite nice but won’t last as long as a newer VW DSG.
I drove up to 190,000 miles a 2006 VW TDI with a 1.9 diesel engine mated to a dual clutch tranny. It was the best marriage between an engine and a tranny I ever drove. The tranny handled and used the torque like they were made for each other. Not so the BMW 328d and ZF 8 speed I now drive, not nearly as sooth a combination.
Scotty, what do you think of the Dual Clutch Transmission on the KIA Cerato GT or Hyundai Elantra Sport? Are these Dual Clutch Transmission well made in Hyundai or KIA cars?
Fairies Flame I was tech in a hyundai shop. They are ONLY transmission I would get. Guess they got it right cause they are usually not broke usually a software update required or fluid change. unless you drive with two feet 🙄
@@meanodustino9563 good to know.
About three years ago, I was riding in the back seat of a 2017 Honda Civic (most presumably *dual cluch* paddle shift technology) . Nice car, but the man (15 years my elder) who was driving it shifted to second or third gear well before exiting the interstate. That tiny 4 cylinder engine was screaming. Yours truly is never a backseat driver, insinuating how the person at the wheel should operate the vehicle isn't my place. I just keep my mouth zipped shut. Respect what a man does with his own car, his own business.
Getrag's design for Ford's Powershift DCT was actually beautifully simple. It was essentially just a manual with shift forks and clutch pressure plates being pushed with solenoids. The problem with them was the seal between the clutch pack and the fluid filled gear box. The seal would leak and get fluid on the clutches then they'd start to slip. I had a Fiesta with that issue and I loved that DCT until the seals leaked twice. Damn shame that such a small thing caused such a huge issue. Everyone I know with that DCT has had the seal leak.
I've owned a 2014 VW GLI for 4 years and put 40,000 miles on it. I have never had a transmission problem. If anything, I think the problem with the transmission is the driver. It doesn't have a torque converter so all the brake creeping and letting the transmission pull itself at idle people do messes it up.
Scotty can tell us the engine used on the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) you being the chief engineer
That took me a second !
We need more power
It's an matter-antimatter warp core that uses deuterium and antimatter.
The USS Enterprise uses a 4-cyl 2.0 direct injection engine with a conventional 5-speed automatic transmission. Scotty approves.
I can picture Scotty all decked out in his uniform telling Spock and Kirk that the cloaking devices on the Klingon Warbirds are far superior that those on the Romulan Warbirds.
Honda just redesigned their Goldwing motorcycle and they now offer a DCT as an option. Everything I've seen and heard says that they really nailed it and it is nicer to drive than the manual shift version. To be fair, the transmission in my 2007 Goldwing sucks, so I'm thinking it's not too hard to do better than that. I've only managed to speak personally to one owner of a new Goldwing with the DCT and he loves it. He had a 2008 Goldwing and, like me, felt that the old transmission sucked, so he was absolutely delighted to move up to the DCT in the new Goldwing.
Dual clutches belong in high-end super cars. Like 150k and above
Nope! Starts in low class cheapest automobiles like Ford Focus.
Now focus on that.
You don't read very well, do ya Lok!
I said they BELONG in super cars ... I never said they were only in super cars ... what reading comprehension level did you achieve? 4th grade?
nyctreeman VW Golf is not really a high-end supercar and it has a really good DSG...
nyctreeman lmao na man don’t be mean haha he probably doesn’t understand English
Zoltan doesn't get it either!
Zoltan ... try to follow along here ... I'll speak slowly and in small words for you ... I'm saying that the application (oops, big word) of dual clutches is most suited for very powerful high performance engines.
Had a Ford Focus with a Getrag Dual Clutch trans. Try driving that car extensively in the creep and crawl traffic in San Francisco. It was a disaster. You are absolutely right. Great for the autobahn or driving up Highway 1, but definitely not in traffic. After numerous trips to the dealership, we got rid of it.
My old VW golf R32 had one and it was a complete and utter nightmare, the most unreliable gearbox in existence. I'm sticking to conventional torque converter automatic gearbox and will never ever buy a car that's got DCT
You will be fine with a Celica dct
Better yet just get a 6 spd
DSG is great, just bare in mind to change the oil with filter every 5k to 6k miles or 8k to 10k kilometers. Most problems come from not maintaining them properly. Same goes for the engines. Change that bloody oil and you'll be good :)
8-10k kilometers??? Why would you change it so often. You dont even change the oil for a diesel car that much. 20k service interval.
@@WestSideConnection5 It all depends on how do you like to drive and how much. Japanese engineers suggest to change both the engine and transmission oil every 10k. If you are going really hard then change even sooner.
@@raw_pc I think you're speaking about gasoline, not diesel right?
@@WestSideConnection5 yes, diesel is for grandpas ;)
0:22 "Eh, 1939 well lets just say the Germans took over-"
I have the 2017 Ford Focus se and have no problems with it. I got the car at 42000 miles now at 72000 miles and still fine.
This guy is one of the very few people who is spot on with almost every video he makes. His advice is crazy accurate.
I have a 2015 Ford Fiesta with the duel clutch transmission and I wouldn't recommend nobody but a car with one of those.
The cat's looking out the window thinking: This man is a character, what's he talking about...
Disagree that there is no point in using the paddle shifters. My 2023 Kona N with 8spd DCT sometimes shifts more frequently than you want. By using the paddles, you can keep it in the gear that works smoothly.....particularly through long, sweeping corners. Another instance I prefer manual control is when I go up the steep hill on our road first thing in the morning and my DCT shifts to 2nd at a very low rpm. I prefer to leave it in 1st and drive slowly (1800rpm) up the hill.
Ok, Scotty, you spent eight minutes on "What is a dual clutch transmission?" without ever telling us what they actually are.
Everything you said applies to any automatic transmission. I know they're fast, and they get better mileage, but what do they actually do? (Rhetorical question; I do know.)
From what I've heard, they're pretty clunky at low speed, especially if you're parallel parking. And anything that clunks is probably not going to last.
Hey Scotty My Ford DCT is fun and fast :) just learn to drive it... no creeping... put it in Neutral in traffic... change the DCT fluid every 30k kms... :)
Lambic Brew what do you mean “put it in neutral” in traffic? Can you elaborate more on that? Like when you’re stopped, you put it in neutral, and when you’re ready to move, you put the car into drive? Or, do you mean when you are coming to a stop, shift it to neutral before braking? I just replaced my clutch and want to take care of my 2016 Ford Focus se better...I adore this car😔
Scotty is telling the truth, trust me. I wish i would have watched this video 3 years ago. 😢😭
Lel what happened
Same here. But I think the main issue is... dealerships usually don't disclose the transmission type. My car's transmission on the site was listed as automatic. While on other sites, nothing is listed. So people generally don't know what they're buying.
I own a 2009 Volks Jetta TDI with the DSG transmission and I never had problem with it to this day. I am at 300 000 km and the transmission runs like new. Only thing I noticed from the beginning, you need a good, fresh and fully charged battery. If the battery becomes too low on power for any reason, the transmission will become crazy. It doesn't know how to shift anymore, or doesn't even engage at all. The car becomes impossible to run. But with a fully charged battery, I never had any issues. And I must say, the last couple of years, I have not been too meticulous on oil change on the DSG. I did the engine oil change but the tranny is long past due. Talking about that, I will have to take an appointement soon to change it (the oil, not the tranny). All in all, I really like this transmission, I have been lucky I guess.
Scotty. What are your thoughts on the new 8-speed direct shift transmission on the 2018+ Toyota Camry?
I've heard they've had programming issues that made them shift early/late. Issue completely fixed and updated in the 2019 model though. (according to carcomplaints.com)
Hopefully Scotty can elaborate, but Toyota/Lexus transmissions are built in house and are considered some of the most reliable transmissions around. The 8 speed in the new Camry is the same design that Lexus put into the 2007-2017 LS460. Lots of them with over 200k on the forums. I would know, my LS460 has been flawless and I'm at 150k
A DSG (direct shift gearbox) is basically a DCT or dual clutch transmission. DSG still uses two clutches but has more moving parts and more complex computer code. Thus it comes with added complexity of more rotating shafts, it is heavier, runs hotter and less fuel efficient than a DCT.
As much as I hate CVT's, I would still buy the Accord with a CVT as it has a proven reliability record with that model as compared to the Camry DSG.
Recently drove a 2018 hybrid. Really not a fan of the transmission. Feels sloppy and unresponsive unless you use the paddle shifters in sport.
@@C6BlueDevil
All high end Toyotas and Lexus-es (Lexi?) Use transmissions built by an independent company called Aisin. Toyota over the years have slowly bought up 30% of Aisin but that's the max they can buy. Aisin makes transmissions for other manufacturers too like Hyundai and Volvo.
According to what you say, a driver using paddle shifters will achieve the same gear shift in the same ~60 ms. as the computer. The paddle shifters trigger the shift, not dictate the speed at which the gears actually shift, like the movements of a manual stick shift would.
Great educational video! I would love to see you make a video on CVT transmissions and your opinion on CVTs.
Scotty has to fudge around with his opinion of CVTs as this is a family friendly channel.
Rohan Dalwadi cvts are twice the problem of the worst dct.
He did one. Toyota was okay. Most of the others sucked. Nissan sucked the worst.
I have a Corolla with a CVT. It's a little different but I really like it. The coolest thing, when going downhill the cruise control will downshift to engine brake. That was weird at first, but once understood it's very nice.