A Foreign Affair: Boris, AUKUS, Ukraine and Assange | Q+A Highlights | ABC News
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- The Q+A panel discuss Boris Johnson's resignation, AUKUS, the war in Ukraine, the imprisonment of Julian Assange, and Australia's place in an increasingly divided global community.
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Panellists: Vasyl Myroshnychenko, Ambassador of Ukraine to Australia; Peter Khalil, Labor Member for Wills and co-chair of the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China; George Brandis, Former High Commissioner of Australia to the United Kingdom; Kylie Moore-Gilbert, Academic and author; and Hugh White, Professor of Strategic Studies, ANU.
This episode was broadcast on Thursday July 14, 2022.
00:00 Introduction
00:46 Boris Johnson's Resignation
08:19 AUKUS, Australia's complacency and the threat of war
16:23 Ukraine, Anthony Albanese's travel and domestic issues
18:43 Julian Assange's imprisonment
30:27 Closer
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Most Australian government officials don't have the guts to help Assange. Cowards,
They can’t help Assange even if they wanted to. If the United States wants Julian in the Espionage Court in Northern Virginia, that’s where he’s going to end up. Trust Me !
@@EspionageCourt America is piss weak these days. On its way to a dictatorship, full of delusional White supremists and gunslinging Cowboys. It’s close to 3rd world conditions for most. Assange is coming home to Australia where the real progressives live.
@@EspionageCourt Australia could charge Assange with wire fraud and demand he be extradited to Australia which would trump US extradition being an Australian citizen, good luck extraditing him from Australia.
Brandis is an absolute mess, Assange should be freed and Brough home and given an award. As always Brandis sides with the criminal liberals opinion because Assange shows there corrupt governments true sides. Assange is an Australian citizen and should be protected under the whistleblowers act, calling our war crimes and corruptions, any journalists should be protected when calling that out.
Brandis tells it like it is and you don’t like it……..
@@EspionageCourt blah blah copy paste troll
I don't know about an award but it should never have dragged out this long.
Just like how our government dragged its boots on Australians at Guantanamo its keeps trying to play nice with bullies.
Most humans know by about the time they reach 12 years of age that you can't simply negotiate with bullies.
If Brandis were in Assange's shoes, you could bet your life safely on the fact Brandis would make it completely political.
Brandis's words seem to be a cop out. Julian is not a US citizen, did not steal the information only published it, the USA is over reaching as usual to save political face and Brandis, true to form, is definitely "their man" by his every word and action.
You make a valid point about Brandis (or any other politician) helping themselves, but the espionage charge has nothing to do with what Julian Assange's nationality is. The girl beside him, Kylie Moore-Gilbert, has the best point I have seen anyone make in a while.
The Oxford definition of espionage is: _the practice of spying or of using spies, typically by governments to obtain political and military information._
How does what Julian Assange did fit that?
FYI - I'm from Melbourne but went to uni in America. I did engineering but a bunch of my friends we pre-law and we used to discuss the US Constitution a lot. So I know that in a sensible court this would get thrown out on 1st Amendment grounds in about 5 minutes.
Its also not just the free press thing either. That final part of the 1st says _", and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."_ So what do you call the things Julian Assange uncovered like the helicopter gunship shooting innocent civilians and prisoner abuses other than grievances?
I'm actually stunned its gone on this long.
Very well said.
I think Assange is being used as a scapegoat and should be freed. But. Wikileaks is a loose coalition of half a dozen Nerds. Assange wanted the fame. I'm pretty sure sure that's proving to be a dumb decision.
"seem" to be a copout. LOL. brandis entire thing is copout personified. And look where its got him. All home safe and warm. An example to us all.
I remember when Brandis was backing the right for media to be racist towards indigenous Australians. I think he’s probably one of the most out of touch people with the average citizen of Australia.
George Brandis is a complete clown with his Julian Assange comments
He tells it like it is and you don’t like it.
@@EspionageCourt Brandis saying its "not political" is completely stupid and absolute BS! Blind Freddy can see that
@@martinjacket2637 But not dipstick jak, the spirit that haunts the sites where lefties appear, he must have a special thing to zoom in when they pop up, ever so briefly, even in unlikely places like the ABC.
@@jacpratt8608 you are very unhinged
George Brandis is a disgrace. He travelled back to Australia for Christmas during Covid, leaving stranded Australians at airports in the UK. He should have organised flights home instead of meagre hardship loans. I know I was one of those Aussies.
He WAS the Australian High Commissioner. He should be treated better than most at airports in my opinion !
@@johnkwonglee I don’t think Assange has had any special treatment. The process is taking too long. The Americans know if he’s free he will hurt them more and will do their very best to kill him or beat him down, it’s a joke and Australia should cut ties with the US, we don’t need them.
@@EspionageCourt It was his job to arrange for repatriation flights, instead of stepping over fellow citizens. Other nations High Commissioners managed to arrange such flights
So what Brandis was saying is the Australian gov respects the judicial systems of the UK and US more than it's own citizenry.
Which country will grant political asylum to journalist Julian Assange and allow him to have the dignified life he deserves?
@@_permem1984 mexico already did
It's up to the US courts to decide if they themselves have universal jurisdiction? How can that be the policy of someone who represented Australia as a sovereign nation.....
Exactly, and I am no fan of Julian assange because of the 2016 election he should NOT have put his finger on the scale of the US election, that being said putting your finger on the scale of politics isnt a crime and he absolutely IS a political prisoner, and America has no right to be the world's police, and what's worse the rest of the western world shouldn't help American do that because that's what Australia and the UK are doing by agreeing to this
FREE ASSANGE 🌹🌹🌹
Which country will grant political asylum to journalist Julian Assange and allow him to have the dignified life he deserves?
@@_permem1984 let him come home
Love these Q&A highlights!! Great idea! Please keep them coming!
Boris Johnson is not "brilliant", but he believes he is, and is quite good at persuading others that he is. He is mendacious, lazy, self-indulgent, and believes his own publicity. I can quite understand why he is celebrated in Ukraine, but he only did what any other PM would have done in practical terms, except for the grand-standing, taking risks for all involved and pretending to be Churchill at a time when he was in trouble politically in UK. PS London's "Boris Bikes" were actually a scheme devised by his predecessor /opponent as Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone. He took over, stuck his name on it, and took credit for it - unlike the purchase of unusable water-cannon and millions spent on a fantasy "Garden Bridge" - which was going to be a permanent monument to himself. His main talent is self-publicity and taking credit for other people's work - just like the vaccine roll-out etc.
One word, we are “scared” of US or UK. Double standard as usual..
"Scared" implies they are being coerced, rather than acting willingly.
@@adamdymke8004 both possible same time. easy.
One would have thought that Brandis, the firebrand, would have mellowed somewhat over time. But alas, he is nastier than ever before.
Really. The Truth is you are upset he didn’t turn in to a Flaming Leftist like Bob Carr !
That guy is a joke. Julian Assange is a flight risk?
oh yes. they believe he has magic powers and invisible chips in his brain they cant find them and take them out. Now these powers enable him to see over walls, open locks, hypnotise gullible guards, visitors, medical specialists from the UN, anyone. Our dear rulers are terrified of this apparently charismatic nerd and his uncanny powers to extract their dirty secrets from the invisible lines they leave as they tread. OK?
Let’s hope Boris takes the Ukraine job offer, we’ve had enough of him. Could you arrange a job for Liz Truss at the same time?
Brilliant idea. Maybe they could find something for our George Brandis too?
This High Commissioner is completely out of step with the majority of Australian sentiment- give him the boot!
Governments don't want their criminal acts exposed so it becomes critical to silence Assange and anyone else who tries to expose their methods and actions. Shame on Australian government for not protecting obe of their own citizens. Assange is not guilty of espionage, he didn't steal any information.
Julian Assange conspired with Bradley Manning to Steal the Documents and then Dumped them Online. That makes Julian Guilty of Conspiracy to Commit Espionage AND Espionage, my Friend !
When you do not do your homework you start beating around the bush and that is exactly what Brandis was doing. Why does he not grow some balls and admit publicly that any govt that comes in power in Australia has to bow down in front of their masters in the US and do away with resorting to the obfuscation once and for all?
i guess it'd be a bit embaressing dont you? No one anywhere does that sort of thing, do they? One example?
@@jacpratt8608 well it is time someone sets a precedent.
What is the point of this show? The politicians just deflect and blame just as much as they would in their own press conferences. What does giving them an hour and a bit to do that add for the public.
Yeah you know I dunno why I just watched this on yt. Being British I think I just wanted to see what aussie question time was like lol. But yeah mate MSM is just utter BS these days which is why I don't watch the British version or any tv at all these days.
They shouldve asked what the ukrainian guy thought. seeing as his country is being given 55 billion in aid from the US, would he really be in favo of releasing julian assange?
It's more like 75 total now.
Considering Ukraine execute journalists and have banned all non state media, id say that would be a hard one to answer.
@@djinghiskhan9199 it has banned opposition parties too.
@@beesplaining1882 the latest total I've seen in American reporting is 2 trillion edit, but that is including loans
Watching Aussie media as I pack to return home after 20 years. I’m not looking forward to having all that sand in my eyes, ears and mouth again.
didn't they have YT OS?
That’s the happiest I’ve ever seen Peter Khalil at the start lol
Cheers for keeping the comments open.
Brandis is just one of the many narcissists that has a voice in our world. I wouldn’t trust this person in a million years.
The Assange case is a great damage of AU as an independent government.
Which country will grant political asylum to journalist Julian Assange and allow him to have the dignified life he deserves?
Ukraine giving advices to China? Are you kidding me?
"Boris's policies weren't that bad"..... really? 😡
-180k people died due to his indecisiveness on covid prevention and failure to listen to scientists.
- Failed to set up an effective test and trace programme
-Failed to provide poor school children with free school meals
- Failed to support public sector workers, NHS workers and teachers not seen their pay increase.
Additionally, millions of Brits are struggling to pay for living expenses, and many are living in poverty as a result of his incompetence.
A complete insult is to claim that his policies were "not that bad".
That is a very damning list. Was he incompetent or plain greedy and grasping at his own crude self interest? (something about a new bathroom of great luxury stuck in mind, hope next PM enjoys it he must surely think, haha). Or is it a class thing, bred in and conditioned up since birth, so that he is blind to the sufferings of the likes of poor children, underpaid, unsupported public sector workers? 'They don't feel things the same way as we do after all, do they." sounds like Oscar Wilde.
Since when do Australians have to abide by AMERICAN law , when you don't even live in that country , are Australians now subject to the abortion laws of America?
Which country will grant political asylum to journalist Julian Assange and allow him to have the dignified life he deserves?
i am 4 minutes into the Assange part and i already passionately hate George Brandis
Brandis is a complete muppet.
Boris was great when he scored a political win by misappropriating Ken Livingstone's City Bike system, and we need to respect the United States and UK's criminal justice systems which famously don't jail black, brown, canine or Irish citizens unjustly.
Why would they jail a dog?
@@jemshadow123 the usual reasons
Free Assange...
Which country will grant political asylum to journalist Julian Assange and allow him to have the dignified life he deserves?
And Brexit got done? No-one has told the British.
they just got done
If Assange was, as Brandis says not a political prisoner why is it taking so long? It’s a joke.
Which country will grant political asylum to journalist Julian Assange and allow him to have the dignified life he deserves?
@@_permem1984 australia
@@_permem1984 or Russia
Julian Assange is a whistleblower isn't he not a criminal
Which country will grant political asylum to journalist Julian Assange and allow him to have the dignified life he deserves?
Aren’t they still arguing the Northern Ireland Protocol, how is Brexit done?
Well we're not in the EU anymore. We have no say over EU policy, so in that sense Brexit is done.
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So the audience do not get an answer to his question?
The elephant in the room in the Julian Assange case is....when will America be tried for the war crimes exposed? Answer....never! (So much for their often quoted "rules based order"!)
Which country will grant political asylum to journalist Julian Assange and allow him to have the dignified life he deserves?
@@_permem1984 probably Russia.
I'm more shocked by ABC taking comments. They normally like to control debate.
For a professor of strategic studies I am extremely concerned with his offhand joke, you need 6 subs for a fleet. For our water borders that amount is too little for a fleet compisition. Makes me wonder if the admirals agree and if so even further concern for me.
Think idea of nuclear submarines is to share the cost of projecting power, as a member of AUKUS. Not limited to our waters.
Which country will grant political asylum to journalist Julian Assange and allow him to have the dignified life he deserves?
You can't compare her with Julian Assange silly billies
0:46 Boris fall from grace
24:50 democracies have to match retoric
AUKUS is about more than nuclear submarines. Sharing defence R&D and capabilities will be at its kernel.
See how US government dropped Meng Wenzhou (HuaWei princess) ‘s case. Nothing is unattainable in politics if you press hard enough.
China must really love kojacks position,,,,,
Brandis - integrity 😀😃😄😁😆😅🤣😂🤮
Childish comparissons and commentary on Taiwan/China and Russia/Ukraine. Is this ABC Kids?
Australia would be well placed to lease a few US Los Angeles class submarines while we acquire the infrastructure to build our own nuclear submarine manufacturing capability.
There are many of the improved versions (688i) of the vessels in US navy service and we could lease a number of them to both acquire the personnel training required and hold the capability to utilise them militarily if required. It would work for the US to have Australian based SSN’s and for us to have a serious deterrence capability. Let’s do it and stop faffing about. Upgrading Collins is the most expensive option by far. Waiting decades for a home built SSN simply isn’t an option.
Its a nice idea, but NO. Go and look at the number of people it takes to operate an LA Class (129).
On one hand it does look sensible as the USN is about to mothball a couple of them. But we have NOBODY who is trained on operating them.
I'm an engineer, I work in industrial control systems and automation. A once worked with an electrician who's first career was in the US Navy as a nuclear power plant operator in aircraft carriers. It was 5 years of training to get qualified and that was on similar gear to what's in an LA Class. We could do it but for about 10 years we'd have to PAY for US Personnel to be on our boats.
The other massive issue with the LA Class is they have a very large crew (129). originally the Collins was only 24 then upgraded to 58. The French sub is 60 while the British Astute is 98. The German 214 is only 27.
Our real sub problem isn't what we can buy its how many submariners do we have to operate them. Right now we only have enough for 4 of the 6 Collins we have. So at best we could have maybe 2 LA Class or maybe 3 Astutes at a stretch. Navies around the world are having the same problem. NOBODY wants to be stuffed in a tin can and send underwater for 3 or more months with zero contact home.
There's a joke in the US Navy. "If you want to get rid of a wife join the submarine corps!"
@@tonywilson4713 you’re dead right, but I believe our submariners are already training in US SSNs so I wonder if the idea may be to build suitable bases here and essentially co-crew ‘Australian’ SSNs with the original US crews? I’ve no idea how we attract enough crews for 8 or even fewer SSNs as planned but if we are serious about SSN capability we can’t wait to build the infrastructure then build the boats in less than a few decades surely. It’s a tough nut but mostly due to time constraints. I fear war is closer to us than home built SSNs.
@@YaMumsSpecialFriend Co-crewing would be the only way possible for Australia to operate LA Class or any other American submarine.
I saw an awesome documentary years ago on WHY Iraq was going bad. It was by PBS Frontline and called "Rumsfeld's War" and you can still find it here on YT. About 1/2 way in a retired former general describes the 4 key points of the Powell Doctrine. I'm an engineer and those 4 points translate perfectly into engineering project management and I have used them ever since.
One of those key points is Resources (men, machines and money). First we never could afford the ridiculous costs of the French Subs. Were were going to pay 3 times more for a downgraded version than the French Navy's nuclear powered version. PLUS we never had enough submariners to ever crew 12 of them. 60 x 12 is 720 and these days we barely have 250 and most of the time struggle to have 4 Collins in the water. The other 2 are in dock with no crews.
Anybody with a brain who could do basic math knew it was crap.
@@YaMumsSpecialFriend Australia can host port existing AUKUS nuclear submarines, while training happens.
War machines are a complete waste of money in this era, we will never have enough to win anything.
There are many very rich countries in Europe and combined with the US there were enough resourses for Ukraine
We have provided too much support to Ukraine and humanitarian Aid would have been enough.
Oh well, will skip watching Q&A while Stan “talk over people who don’t agree with him” Grant is on.
Or throw out people who don't agree with him.
Stan Grant isn't hosting it as you can quite clearly see
Stans off doing speech gigs with neo-con war think tanks, I haven't seen the likes of him on ABC since his little stunt.
@Fidomusic I like watching Stan He is one very good looking fella
@@fidomusic remember that too well ! so he's not around tonight? haven't watched since that nasty event. Don't suppose he's gone for good?
22040 is 18 YEARS away, not 25. Wonder how anyone would like it if Taiwan decided that rather than have all the conflict and grief they would rather become part of the PRC! I suspect that US would think their holy duty would be to stop that. Would China think it was in their interst to refuse to have them for the American market? Someone has mentioned the treasury bonds. At long last. The Ukrainian is a realist. The critics of Albo's foreign work are robots of a miserable negativity.
For China, 2049 represents the 0ne Hundredth anniversary of the founding of the PRC.
That guy who is just speaking disingenuous legalese should step down if he is so lazy to think through the different options to protect Assange.
Free Julian
Which country will grant political asylum to journalist Julian Assange and allow him to have the dignified life he deserves?
@@_permem1984 there is no chance of getting asylum. Only I would hope ppl who r really care about press freedom in USA need to fight for him..
Australia plans to host port existing AUKUS nuclear submarines.
best idea they've had yet. then seize them, as hostages, till our own real ones finally arrive.
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Oh yay a panel of non biased individuals 🤣 Where are Witness K and Witness J and regular Afghan and a regular Iranian for perspective?
Brandis. What an execrable bowel obstruction.
Boris to me he didn't do research to create peace,
The Russia are complaining about NATO moving in to Eastern Europe, and nothing done , but he just sat there and did nothing yet the answer is so simple and easy get NATO out of Eastern Europe that all Putin wanted and killing would stop and the war , no you sit there and blame,
Please understand that blame is for war,
Please understand give and take is for peace,
You understand. Those paranoid clowns would push their NATO right through to China if they could and annihilate all memory of Russia and the USSR if they could.
Terrible display by Brandis!
doubt he'll be back after reception here.
I don't see any serious talk from these people, all jokes, no real information. They talk but they don't say much.
I hope Labor doesn't stuffed up aukus deal .
@Blake Birchall I think you have listened way too much to P Dutton and ScoMo. The big tough boys who pound the drums of war against China, and after 10yrs left our defence capabilities in a mess. Getting your eyes off Murdoch media would be a good idea too
@@phillipaclemons7261 it was Labor who didn't spent enough money for defence now liberal party fixed it . And labour party I can't trust them with the defence
depends what you mean by stuff up.
@@blakebirchall1982 defending what?
We couldn’t defend our coastline with a 1000 subs, it’s a waste of money and resources in this time of an exclaimed climate crisis.
Worst ratings ever 😆
Everyone lies. A politician can lie about partying.
Brandis was the Australian High Commissioner when Assange was being Charged with Espionage up until 3 months ago. I think he knows what he’s talking about. You see the Lady is trying desperately to defend Julian. She almost seemed Exacerbated at the end as the Q&A was finishing up.
He should be sent back to Australia. And be applauded for exposing the illegal and immoral behaviour of the Americans.
brandis isnt thinking anything past what the US tells him
Julian A-songe. Hahahahahashas. Brandis is a tool
Bring Boris back
Why is this flop of a left wing bias show back on
Pathetic abc