The value of NDIS | Q+A Highlights | ABC News
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- The government says the cost of the NDIS is blowing out, but how do we put a price on supporting people with disabilities?
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Panellists: Elly Desmarchelier, Disability Rights Campaigner; Bill Shorten, Minister for the NDIS and Government Services; Stuart Robert, Shadow Assistant Treasurer and Shadow Minister for Financial Services; Jordon Steele-John, Greens Senator for WA; and Amy Auster, Chief Economist and Insights Officer, PwC Australia.
This episode was broadcast on Thursday November 24, 2022.
0:00 Introduction
0:45 Stuart Robert and lobbying claims
8:21 Is the NDIS broken?
19:12 The NDIS and multicultural communities
23:22 Devaluing people who can't work
31:21 Outro
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The NDIS has helped me so much and changed my life. It devastates me that people are willing to throw disabled people under the bus to save money
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I am on the NDIS, having a rightside hemiplegia. I am an educated person, having 3 degreees, and am a 52 yrs old man - degrees in Economics, Accounting and Finance. I appreciate the NDIS however there are so many aspects that are very limiting to me. Firstly getting onto the NDIS was close to impossible. Secondly, the only way my plan was accepted was that I accept a portion was dedicated to a person helping me enter the community. I am married with 3 children, i dont need that kind of support. I need help in other areas.
well said. Been looking after myself (with help from family) for over 50 years. Now that my disability (Cerebral Palsy) is catching up with me, I needed a small amount of funding to access good Allied Health professionals, a few home modifications, etc. Simply getting on to the NDIS was an 18 month nightmare.
The NDIS is 100 times better than the old funding source DSC and its one of the best schemes for disability funding in the world. Its not perfect but it certainly does a lot of good.
NDIS has been a lifesaver for my family with an ASD3 and intellectually impaired son, who is now 19. He will have a better life and contribute to our society’s richness because of it. The old Gandhi quote: “'the true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members”. As Bill said, this is an investment, not a cost. We are a wealthy country and can afford this investment
Very true.
NDIS is an Australian treasure, thanks to Julia Gillard.
And Bill Shorten
Great show last night. We need a minister for disability services in the government Mr Shorten. Someone who has a disability and who does understand the many many struggles that people with a disability have in and out of the workforce.
I am one of those who work for government it's is difficult to educate colleagues who don''t understand. There needs to be mandatory training programs for all staff just so they can get a bit of an idea of what it is like for us on many levels.
So what is your disability? Educate us!!!
Jordon is a legend what an amazing answer
Can you tell me where to go in the video to hear from Jordan? I was searching but got to frustrated with some of the other panelists.
I was in the initial rollout in the western district of Victoria. Every plan has promised me so much help yet as I live remote rural I cannot access supports. I tried to move to a larger city to not only feel a sense of community, but get the help I need.
My closest township is well renowned for having a large disabled community, a community that I once worked in so I know many of the support workers and coordinators. My confidentiality was constantly breeched and when I made official complaints the NDIS ignored me.
If I have supports they travel from larger cities, charging extra and eating away into my budget.
For over 12 mths I did not know who my LAC was and had very little support. I have no family and friends to help me, and it took me lodging a complaint that I also sent to Mr Shorten to finally find out something as simple as who my LAC is. I finally got to speak to her on the phone, asked how I link into finding the supports I need and was told to Google it. That was 3 mths ago and there has been no feedback from the LAC since. I now am so fearful of leaving my home that it’s having extreme decremental effects on my mental health.
I’m so tired of trying to get the support that I need, especially when all my funding is sitting there, but no one wants the work! I feel completely forgotten and unwanted by everyone, yet so many of those on the panel said the NDIS is not broken? Come spend a few days in my lonely isolated world and see how you cope without human interaction!
Mr Shorten, you acknowledge things need to change, so get out there and see how we live, how we go without and how we suffer!
Everyone need to understand that all of this NDIS offices are PRIVATLY owned.
Need to go on line and find their ABN number and find out who owns the business. Is someone in England or US or maybe some of the not for profit organizations... than you will know with whom you are dealing and why you favored or not.
NDIS is a good program in helping people with disabilities with financial support, but its far from excellent and wholesomely channeled to where money should be spent by the person with disabilities. Too top heavy,less could be spent on admin and management that mostly get bogged in red tape and paperwork..
NDIS helps alot of people. BUT why does no one ever ask the people who would really know why NDIS budgets are blowing out. The best ones to ask are the independent NDIS Plan Managers. The humble bookkeepers. Bookkeepers see where the waste is and how it happens.
I appreciate the NDIS. It saved my life. The media always focusses on negative things. There are issues. Like everything. It took me time to get used to it. It has changed my life. The primary goal is support for the permanently disabled so they can be more functioning in society.
We should not be penalised for this support. I work and pay taxes.
I see how social security support has been destroyed because they try to punish people based on those that rort the system. This is not good. You cannot base something on what some bad people do. I am sure things can be improved. This is a wonderful system. I thank you guys for implementing it.
A government can afford whatever is needed, it can create money.
Cost isn't an issue, only political will.
@Soul Sphere you only end up with inflation if there are no goods and services for the money to chase.
The issues are with supply and price gouging, not money supply..
Inflation can easily be managed with taxes.
@Soul Sphere you probably should look at more modern economic theories.
Insanely foolish. In that case why should anyone work and pay taxes?
Governments creating money out of thin air is what drove Germany to extreme bankruptcy! It's what makes basket cases out of South American Nations and created the GFC.
Easy money creates asset bubbles that drive property values through the roof creating an eventual collapse and drives malinvestments.
I suppose from the fiscal perspective it has to be ascertained whether there is any cohesion with the greater market and whether that can be maximized for the benefit of individuals at odds with that same facing with community. not a pretty solution but some more tac on the medical industry could ensure that it doesn't get pulled down as usual by the more unspecialised in big government.
I have servere spinal damage tho not in a wheel chair yet. I’ve had it since I was 14. Disability use to be not enough to live on so I worked in pain till I couldn’t anymore before ndis funding I was put in hospital mental health for being unkempt. I can’t mow my lawn I can even vacumn without pai.n now I’ve got ndis I’m not unkempt and haven’t been in hospital for awhile now. I have someone to mow and a cleaner it’s a godsend. God bless the ndis thank you for your much needed support
I am glad life is better for you now. People often suffer in silence.
Yeah as Australians we can say we have all these services. DSP etc.
But the problem is you cannot access them.
Ppl with disabling chronic illness like ME/CFS find it extremely difficult to access the NDIS - even if they're disabled enough to be housebound. How about the NDIS clamp down on overcharging providers and help more ppl access the scheme??
I’m a carer and getting the NDIS is all about how good your support coordinator is. Some are totally clueless or lazy or don’t care, while others are just concerned about keeping costs down without considering the clients needs. I work with a great support coordinator and I’ve seen how it works and how you get good funding.
offshore (aka: secret) banking not only greatly facilitates these highly lucrative crimes it also allows the criminal filth involved to get way with them too.
Australia MUST OUTLAW THOSE JURISDICTIONS (aka: 'tax havens') being open to her citizens NOW (in line with latest EU 'anti-money laundering' directive/policy)
Does QANDA really have to act as a court? It makes the show as dull as dishwater. Round and round in circles we go.
We have so many different insurance schemes. WorkCover, DVA, Tac, NDIS, aged care programs and the list goes on. Surely we just need one, and the same rules apply to everyone.
If it reduces the costs of running them and not the services it is a great idea.
Donations to all political parties should be illegal.
Especially damned criminal Unions involved in the Labor Party!!!!
NDIS is broken, not as broken as DSQ but in the same ball park. Barely improved and still full of neglect and loopholes. Its amazing how they pay these people to say great things about it and get forgotten and by the time they realize they got used, the damage is done, Someone needs criminal charges over this scam.
A lobbyist ISN’T a stakeholder.
My friend is a contract garderner and some of his clients are on the NDIS scheme. He's just recently told me that the client is charged $75 an hr under the scheme! But he only receives $25 an hour of that and the rest goes solely to the NDIS. $50 an hour. Now alot of the clients are in the Central Highlands of Tasmania and they have told my friend that they are so grateful for him as it's quite hard to get labour out that way. They said they've had to struggle to find contractors themselves with little to absolutely no help from the NDIS. Their yards have been completely overgrown and neglected as these people physically can't do the gardening themselves. My friend only got the work through a friend of his in QLD mentioning to him that his aunt in Tassie, who is on the NDIS scheme, is desperate and has been left to try and source her own gardeners with no help from the department. So he said he'll go out there and do her gardening fortnightly, in the same town many residents who are also on the scheme saw him doing her garden and approached him to beg if he could do theirs aswell. So he has lots of clients now who are on the scheme and as I mentioned, he only gets $25 an hr of the $75 and NDIS department pockets the rest. They haven't bothered to help and source these people some decent labourers, they're just there to collect the money!
My lawn guy was getting $180 for 30 minutes work. He was doing a very sub par job yet earning as much as my counsellor! I pleaded with the NDIS and LAC to help me with the issue, but I was told my lawns were mowed so don’t complain.
How dare he charge that! I took it upon myself to find someone else and is now billed much more appropriately.
@@Shellchevy wow. Sorry to hear that. Yes, I've not heard many good things about the lack of help NDIS actually provides. $180 is atrocious and downright daily robbery! I wonder how of that went to NDIS? As my friend only gets $25 of the $75 charged, with $50 of that going to the NDIS coffers.
@@dcsc1 the lawn guy received it all as I was able to view the invoices! He was milking the system until I put a stop to it!
@@Shellchevy wow, that just insane. How can anyone think they can charge $180 to mow lawns?! The guy is mental. That's more than most GP's get!
Glad you rectified it, no thanks to NDIS department though 😒🙄
Hope you have a good gardener now 🙂
So to respond to Max's mum (Max's Q)..... lets immediately patronise her/him!?
genuine Q:
is this level of accountability being brought to bear standard for "QandA" ? Anyone know?
many thanks
if so i'm going to repurpose my PC extension screen back to the TV it once was 12 years ago.
My daughter has been on it only two years and I don't think she will need it once she meets her goals.She has Autism and NDIS is great for Autism
His lying
How come Australians just can't get there s*** together and help people because it's the right thing to do ... All I hear is you guys talking about money... I'm going to get fed up soon and take matters into my own hands .. there will be assinations
Kieran are you suggesting that you will partake in a political assassination. If so please seek help.
Are you sure you really want to make those kind of threats ?
THE FIRE RISES BROTHER
*their*
Exactly that is why we used to have a community which Govt has destroyed. Why is it the Govts job to look after your children, your welfare, your health and fund your destructive life choices with zero accountability on your part.