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I love that you include so many photos of the actual people in the cases. It's fascinating to see what people actually wore, where they lived, etc. The amount of arsenic poisoning going on back then is truly terrifying though.
Despite the topic, this channel is so relaxing to me. Old cases, beautifully presented, voice and accent perfect! You are helping those of us in lockdown not lose our minds!
Yes, and you are incredibly well spoken. So many you tubers are close to illiterate, not seeming to understand adverbs/adjectives or past perfect tenses. I appreciate that the younger you tubers have crazy followers, but good grief, these are born ppl speaking English 🥴🥴🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
I would pay good money to have this narrator read me a bedtime story as if I were a little kid and lull me to sleep after a hard day. What a gift for narration!
@@Andrew-fy9wu lol, I am perfectly fine. I just find Mr. Maguire’s voice soothing and was simply joking around with @ThomasAllan-up4td, who I believe was also just joking around.
the music, the narration and the whole style of presentation is of untold perfection, such a calm and delightful voice... good old days, thank you Sir...
I can't stop watching your videos, and listening to your voice. Such clarity of yours is very rare nowadays. Also, I notice that you take your time to be perfect. That is really great and important for the listener. I understand that each video represents an enormous amount of work. I want to thank you for all this. It is 3:21 AM here, in NJ, and I am still listening and watching your videos which I discovered a few days ago.
Thank you, Monique - 3.21 AM! Well obviously my videos don't work as a soporific for everyone! Yes, a lot of work, but the appreciation shown is greatly valued, I assure you!
What an excellent video, professionally produced and clearly narrated, without any of the distracting gimmicks and flashiness modern TV documentaries suffer from. I see you've done Madeleine Smith and Madame Fahmy as well. I feel some binge-watching coming on!
When I was a little girl, there was a channel on the radio that would tell stories like this one. We didn't have a tv so I listened to the stories on the radio. I believe that's where my love of reading books came from.
They Got Away With Murder I have a similar experience. I lived in rural NM and late at night at the far end of the AM radio. The station was in OK. Maybe 500 miles away. Thanks, man, nice memory.
Connie Crawford I remember them too but the one person who scared me was Edgar Lustgarten a crime writer famous in the UK I would go to the Saturday matinee in UK and he would narrate a case this was before the big picture dont know to this day why children's matinee would feature him I remember my mother complaining to the cinema management
Thank you , from Sydney Australia. I find old crime cases interesting & fascinating when you consider , the Police & Dr's alike , didn't have the knowledge & forensics skills of today. Your presentation is Top Quality & Extremely enjoyable . Once again thanks.
Thank you, Leanne - yes, it makes them all the more interesting that detectives relied chiefly on circumstantial evidence as there was little in the way of forensics to guide them!
Mark, once again your insights to you and nature are extremely good. Such a wonderful podcast series. Thank you for making these and posting them on the web. I must admit I’m getting addicted to them, but I don’t want any cure.These are superior anything it’s like on TV.
Honestly I disagree. I love true crime docs but this by the far has the worst narrator. The voice is lifeless it makes interesting facts difficult to actually take in because it gives the appearance of being a terribly boring educational documentary from the 80s that didn't age well. Sorry if that sounds harsh but let's be honest here. I don't think I can actually finish the video but I will try.
I so agree Chris. I just found this fabulous channel a week or so ago and have shown restraint, otherwise I would have binge watched them all in one evening or two. I am soothed by the narrator's voice and have enjoyed learning about a few cases that I have never heard of and I live in the UK.
So happy to have found this channel. Classic British domestic murder cases have always fascinated me Thanks very much for the wonderful content so far. Really looking forward to hearing more!
I have found your channel yesterday and I am happy to listen to your real stories. I like your voice and the presentation of the cases. Greetings from Spain.
Well, it is true, Rebecca - it is most necessary that anyone brought before a court of law should be able to secure the best legal representation; it is also the case that such a legal representative should be able to make their best efforts on behalf of their client. But it affronts our sense of justice when we see a person who is clearly guilty go free... It isn't a perfect system...
It's not fair to say that they don't care. Our legal system requires that both sides are represented and that the lawyers for both sides represent their clients to the best of their abilities. Therefore, in every trial, it is inevitable that one of the lawyers will be representing "injustice" ... that's just how our adversarial legal system works. The cases are made, and the jury decides.
Their Job is to hold up the constitution I think not become disgusting slimes garbage to get their client free, but it’s win all all costs with many of them,
Glad to hear all the "Jones'" in this program. My Grandmother was a Jones, both of her parents were Jones' and both came from Wales to Amarica in the 1600's.
Love your channel - some very interesting cases! (The opening sequence - the animated man with the cigarette falling down dead - reminds me a bit of the old 'Ironside' titles).
Thank you - I'm so glad you like it! The animated man does resemble the Ironside beginning, you're right, I hadn't thought of it before. I am just conscious of doing an awful lot of drawings to produce this little animated sequence!
I just discovered your site. You really give great details regarding these past cases. Love the clear strong narration. Thank you! I've just subscribed.
Very glad this came up in my recommends, as this is a presentation with high production standards. And what a treat to have "person" narration, by the author! I've liked and subbed and am looking forward to a massive binge!
Yes - he seems to have been particularly useless as a physician! In some of the photos Harold looks very old - it is hard to believe he was in his 50s and a success with the ladies!
With cases like these I always wonder what became of the children? Somewhere down the comments it says Irene got married in 1928. What of the other children? And how did it affect their lives and reputations? So sad.
Just found your channel and have binge watched all the episodes, some of them twice. 😊 I find these old murder cases fascinating. In addition to these cases I am also very interested in Edith Thompson's, Alma Rattenbury's and Charlotte Bryant's cases.
Thank you very much, Irmeli - I'm delighted you liked them! I am familiar with the Rattenbury and Stoner case (and the Thompson/Bywaters) but not the Charlotte Bryant case. I have just read of Charlotte Bryant, this moment, however - quite fascinating!
Excellent again, Mark. Dr Griffiths' behaviour goes well beyond incompetence. I wonder what his reputation was as a doctor. Also, I wonder if he was a weak person who could have been manipulated by Greenwood. The suggestion that he was a collaborator - whether before of after the fact - is overpowering.
Thanks Paul. I did try to find out more about the doctor, but aside from references to him in various West Wales newspapers I had little luck. I thought he looked rather shifty in the photos! I know the doctor and Greenwood fell out after the trial and Greenwood left Kidwelly owing the doctor money, but unfortunately I found out little else. Either he was a truly abysmal doctor or a complicit one - or possibly both!
I notice the scoundrel had the doctor's sister? daughter? lined up as a red herring for who he was going to marry once his wife was out of the way. Perhaps the good doctor was looking to feather his female relatives nest egg with another unfortunate event?
Very well done! By the way, The Greenwood case was only one of many cases Sir Edward received more congratulatory letters, but none came from the prisoner himself - the only one of all his prisoners who never thanked him by word or letter. Perhaps his counsel’s absences were still rankling in Mr. Greenwood’s mind. It is certainly a fact that he refused to pay him his fee.
Thank you, Madonna! I don't know what the cause of Greenwood's refusal to pay his fee was - perhaps he had no money left. He was also involved in a dispute with his former friend Dr Griffiths regarding money owed...
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder he did not pay it because he thought he had the right not to pay it. Considering he was a malignant narcissists on the border line of being a sociopath, one can understand his arrogance of not paying the fee.
Another excellent piece of work.I am slowly making my way through your videos. I hope you don’t take this the wrong way but listening to your voice in these videos helps me to fall asleep! 😄👏🏻
Thank you, Anna! I take no offence at that - I am told that by others and I hope that falling asleep to such tales of murder will not be the cause of any nightmares!
They Got Away With Murder On the contrary. Your soothing voice is the thing that sends me off to sleep, regardless of the subject matter you are narrating! 😘
Wouldn't get away with stuff like this today, can you even imagine walking into a 'Pharmacy' as they were back then and buying arsenic, morphine and even cocaine over the counter. Now you can't even buy more than 2 packs of paracetamol/ibuprofen.
You're right! I had no idea of this, until I tried to buy 4 packs of paracetamol before going on holiday a couple of years ago and was refused! I thought the cashier was joking for a moment - she wasn't!
Never take toxic pharmaceuticals " boswella is a natural alt for headache Traumeel is a good anti inflammatory Allopathic medicine is a hoax. Never gonna cure you, only suppress symptoms
I do believe that his crime mysteries are captivating just by his voice alone. I am in mystery heaven. Doing a marathon 🤔.Glad that I found your channel ❤️🇨🇴.
His second wife, Gladys died in Llanelli on 14th January 1962. His son was still alive in the 1970's as he visited Kidwelly. Eileen became a solicitor but died during the war. I've no idea what happened to Ivor. What happened to Irene is another tale to be told. PS Greenwood didn't do it.
Who do you think did it? You seem to imply it was Irene and would be interested in your reasoning. I gather she did not like her mother much, or so Miss Phillips said.
I would like very much to do that, Antonio, but I am conscious that I will get a barrage of rebukes from dissenters, asking "In what way did he get away with murder?"!
So much to admire about your channel! You really know how to capture a bygone era with painstaking research, wonderfully measured narration, and just an overall elegant production! Many thanks, a new subscriber from New Mexico : )
I have watched a few cases by now and soon became a follower of your channel. One reason is your perfect presentation of these old cases, the other your narration. The way people speak English in movies today made me wonder if I had forgotten all I once learned and there you are: a pleasant voice and a dignified diction. It´s a pleasure to listen to you. Thank you for your work.
I have to wonder what woman would even consider a proposal from this character?, He tired of his wife, and wanted a newer model perhaps? This geezer takes the cake! These stories are absolutely my cup of tea and as a result I am totally hung up on watching all I can of these lurid murders and on a serious note, I love your narration, sketches and thorough thoughtfulness of the whole picture where the authorities dropped the ball and also the legal proceedings. Thank you for posting such interesting cases.
I don't believe he tired of her so much as he wanted full reign of all her money. She may well have finally said something of him gambling and spending HER money on his girlfriends and this signed her death warrant.
I find myself binge watching the videos on this channel. I find it frightful to consider that I shall run out of them, but in time, I undoubtedly shall
An excellent tutorial series on How to Commit Murder. Each case study by Maguire provides an example of where the Murderer went wrong and, to astute students, gives a good guide on what NOT to do if the intention is to avoid conviction!
Great channel. Please look into the death of Jane Stanford from Stanford university. She was poisoned. Her death led the way for the eugenics movement at Stanford. Have references to share
I just watched Witness for the Prosecution (with Ralph Richardson and Deborah Kerr) yesterday, for the first time. Listening to this presentation was akin to rewatching the film! Well done.
Yes, I have subbed after seeing you have more to watch. I will try hard to ration myself to one a night, with a cup of cocoa😀💙. I hope you are still out there somewhere bringing more lovely, unknown stories, good for us, not so for the poor victims. Love your voice, I am born and raised English, but live in the USA. You sir feed my need for class A British accent. Thank you from my English heart.
Mr M J Maguire i live in Carmarthen not far from a few of your crime story's, I have visited a few buildings were the crime was committed, I was surprised how close the crimes were from each other i wouldn't have gone to the property's just to look knowing what I've learned from you ,I found it spooky but i have loved every minute standing there knowing what happened all them years ago.standing on the steps of the crown court Carmarthen were Harold Greenwood walked out off made me think was he innocent? Brilliant story teller and historian i don't think people know how much hard work you have to do before you tell your story's ,KEEP THEM STORIES COMING Thank you
It seems that Mr. Hall must have been rather busy. I recall he was in another story. Too bad that he couldn't have had a verdict of "not proven". Thanks, Mark.
I do enjoy a nice gooseberry tart, gooseberry fool and gooseberry crumble too. A much underrated and yet quintessential English summer fruit. It goes unnoticed in so much popular media maybe that's why no one ever suspects it of murder.
Exactly what I thought.Regardless of what the Dr, competent or not administered, it was the Arsenic that was the issue. People don't normally knowingly ingest arsenic, especially in such a huge amount. But I definitely think the Dr was involved, otherwise his behaviour wasn't just incompetent,it was borderline criminal
@@hogwashmcturnip8930 I am afraid your name becomes you Sir, for you speak complete hogwash; arsenic neither tastes or smells of anything, it can easily be introduced to a victim in their food or drink, or even in a compressed format, I.e. a tablet
@@mrmrsmarshall9110 And your name says it all too. Boring slow pedants from Hicksville by any chance?. At what point did I say arsenic tasted of anything? What I did say clearly went over your heads. I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself, before insulting people because you lack the wit to read a comment correctly .
Luckily I stumbled across your excellent channel and have been binge watching the first 8 episodes. A constant theme has emerged that Class played a part in what today would be called “unconscious bias’s “ The working classes weren’t thought to be reliable and can’t be believed or trusted. While the respectable middle classes surely wouldn’t lie, let alone entertain such evil actions. Sadly families never got justice. It’s also galling too that some of the acquitted went on to live to a ripe old age.
I think the ideal is that they should not do so - but yes, they have always done this, and still do, I believe. Perhaps the most famous example of a judge influencing a trial is the 1979 case of the Liberal leader Jeremy Thorpe, who was accused of the attempted murder of a male prostitute: he was acquitted, largely as a result of the judge's summing up. It was widely criticised and famously lampooned by Peter Cook that year in a 9 minute parody of the judge's summing up, called "Entirely a matter for you." It can be found on TH-cam and is worth seeing.
This single claim by the daughter was crucial to the case - the assertion that she had also drunk the wine came late in proceedings and effectively saved Harold from the gallows. As the judge said in his summing up - "If the daughter drank the wine - then there is an end of the prosecution case". It is my belief that Marshall Hall put it to her - as he often did to the defence witnesses he briefed very carefully - that her father would hang if it was accepted that the poison was in the wine. It placed her in a terrible position - obviously she believed her father to be innocent of the crime, but if she had drunk the wine then she would surely have said so when interviewed by police.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Well said; well done. My new favorite TH-cam channel for the following reasons in no certain order: high quality content, writing, and (last but certainly not least) narration! Please accept my gratitude.
Yesterday I watched my first TGAWM video and then binged by watching 6 more! Today I recommended the channel to a sister and watched my first one of the day. These are addictive!
A number of people have asked if they can help support my channel - I don't have any adverts on my channel (and don't intend to) but if anyone wishes to help defray the expenses of making these videos in some small way, they can buy me a cup of coffee! www.buymeacoffee.com/MarkJohnMaguire
Mabel Greenwood was my great grandmother. Thank you for sharing her story.
Thank you - that is very interesting.... do you have any insights/family opinions that have percolated down the years?
Were you aware of her being poisoned or did you learn of it through this video?
Oh dear. How tragic. Mabel deserved so much better.
She was really pretty!!!
What did you’re grand parent think ??? Also you’re parent which wouldn’t have been Mabel’s Grandchild
I love that you include so many photos of the actual people in the cases. It's fascinating to see what people actually wore, where they lived, etc. The amount of arsenic poisoning going on back then is truly terrifying though.
Arsenic and strychnine seem to be the go to methods of the time.
Fascinating isn’t it✊
You could buy them over the counter in those days.
Despite the topic, this channel is so relaxing to me. Old cases, beautifully presented, voice and accent perfect! You are helping those of us in lockdown not lose our minds!
I feel the same, comforting!!!🙏👏😎
"The Voice"...On the level of 'Nemo's Dreamscapes'. but in glorious Black & White
Me too! LOVE IT!
Very ‘Agatha Christie’ like.
Me too
Sir you have an amazing gift for story telling and your voice is very pleasing. I'm so glad I have found your channel.
Thank you kindly, Benjamin - I am delighted you liked it!
Yes, and you are incredibly well spoken. So many you tubers are close to illiterate, not seeming to understand adverbs/adjectives or past perfect tenses. I appreciate that the younger you tubers have crazy followers, but good grief, these are born ppl speaking English 🥴🥴🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
Sir, I strongly concur with your opinion.
This is a calm, reasonable exploration. I so appreciate it for not being drama centered, but informational.
I would pay good money to have this narrator read me a bedtime story as if I were a little kid and lull me to sleep after a hard day. What a gift for narration!
Ditto!!
Oh my! I’m not the only one. I used to love Jackanory as a child growing up in the U.K. in the 1970’s.
You can pay me good money to tell you a bed time story if you want.
Your place or mine?
Only no bed time gooseberry wine !
@@ThomasAllan-up4td lol, you’re on!
@@Andrew-fy9wu lol, I am perfectly fine. I just find Mr. Maguire’s voice soothing and was simply joking around with @ThomasAllan-up4td, who I believe was also just joking around.
the music, the narration and the whole style of presentation is of untold perfection, such a calm and delightful voice... good old days, thank you Sir...
I can't stop watching your videos, and listening to your voice. Such clarity of yours is very rare nowadays. Also, I notice that you take your time to be perfect. That is really great and important for the listener. I understand that each video represents an enormous amount of work. I want to thank you for all this. It is 3:21 AM here, in NJ, and I am still listening and watching your videos which I discovered a few days ago.
Thank you, Monique - 3.21 AM! Well obviously my videos don't work as a soporific for everyone! Yes, a lot of work, but the appreciation shown is greatly valued, I assure you!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder I even like your comments and well-articulated responses!
@@stephaniek1076 That's a delightful compliment, thank you!
@@stephaniek1076
As in all capital cases of murder. The proof of guilt must be beyond a reasonable shadow of doubt.
What an excellent video, professionally produced and clearly narrated, without any of the distracting gimmicks and flashiness modern TV documentaries suffer from. I see you've done Madeleine Smith and Madame Fahmy as well. I feel some binge-watching coming on!
I wonder how many guilty persons Marshall Hall helped to get away with murder by coaching and/or bullying witnesses.
Quite a few! I can think of another one which I am sure I will cover at some point.
Well it is his job. So I would imagine loads.
Marshall Hall knew exactly who had poisoned Mabel and so did the Judge.
which lawyer hasnot done that?
I feel like he also defended a huge amount of people..I mean he’s practically in every one of these videos lol
What a thorough and wonderful collection of pertinent photographs.
Thank you, Roger!
Beautifully told as always. I suspected the doctor was in cahoots with the husband very early on.
“Mabel Greenwood died.” I appreciate that you said “died” as opposed to “passed.”
When I was a little girl, there was a channel on the radio that would tell stories like this one. We didn't have a tv so I listened to the stories on the radio. I believe that's where my love of reading books came from.
Thank you, Connie
They Got Away With Murder I have a similar experience. I lived in rural NM and late at night at the far end of the AM radio. The station was in OK. Maybe 500 miles away. Thanks, man, nice memory.
Connie Crawford I remember them too but the one person who scared me was Edgar Lustgarten a crime writer famous in the UK I would go to the Saturday matinee in UK and he would narrate a case this was before the big picture dont know to this day why children's matinee would feature him I remember my mother complaining to the cinema management
The radio show may have been Whitehall 1212, or the Black Museum hosted by Orson Welles.
Great story telling voice!! Really enjoyed the program.
Thank you, Judy - glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you , from Sydney Australia. I find old crime cases interesting & fascinating when you consider , the Police & Dr's alike , didn't have the knowledge & forensics skills of today. Your presentation is Top Quality & Extremely enjoyable . Once again thanks.
Thank you, Leanne - yes, it makes them all the more interesting that detectives relied chiefly on circumstantial evidence as there was little in the way of forensics to guide them!
Mark, once again your insights to you and nature are extremely good. Such a wonderful podcast series. Thank you for making these and posting them on the web. I must admit I’m getting addicted to them, but I don’t want any cure.These are superior anything it’s like on TV.
Thank you, Michael - it is marvellous to hear this! :)
I've been listening to these for a solid 4 hours straight now, this channel is exceptional. Thank you!
Thank you very much!
Well written, interesting NEW cases, and a most pleasant narrator! I’ll be back often.
Honestly I disagree. I love true crime docs but this by the far has the worst narrator. The voice is lifeless it makes interesting facts difficult to actually take in because it gives the appearance of being a terribly boring educational documentary from the 80s that didn't age well. Sorry if that sounds harsh but let's be honest here. I don't think I can actually finish the video but I will try.
I so agree Chris. I just found this fabulous channel a week or so ago and have shown restraint, otherwise I would have binge watched them all in one evening or two. I am soothed by the narrator's voice and have enjoyed learning about a few cases that I have never heard of and I live in the UK.
@@IslandGirlKelly I found it last night and love it. It's the best story time for adults before a good night's sleep. A cup of tea and Im ready.
@@shanmareewalker7836 So happy that you had a wonderful night's sleep Shan, now you'll be ready to take on the day.
@@chinchillin2262 I would pay to have this gentleman read to me. He should be reading books professionally.
Listening to these has become a sort of ASMR to me now! Love this narrator's intelligent and relaxing voice.
Thank you - I'm so glad you like them, Elsie!
So happy to have found this channel. Classic British domestic murder cases have always fascinated me
Thanks very much for the wonderful content so far. Really looking forward to hearing more!
Thank you very much! I'm delighted you have found this channel too and that you have enjoyed the cases!
yes 'it's always the husband/wife' :-)
Thank you so much for these stories, this is the kind of content that TH-cam should encorage; informative, well produced and researched. Excellent.
Glad you enjoyed it, Layla - I am delighted!
I have found your channel yesterday and I am happy to listen to your real stories. I like your voice and the presentation of the cases. Greetings from Spain.
Thank you Cornelia - I am delighted you are enjoying them - greetings from Wales!
Lawyers know if their clients are guilty or innocent, but they don’t care. Their job is to win their case, guilty or not
Well, it is true, Rebecca - it is most necessary that anyone brought before a court of law should be able to secure the best legal representation; it is also the case that such a legal representative should be able to make their best efforts on behalf of their client. But it affronts our sense of justice when we see a person who is clearly guilty go free... It isn't a perfect system...
It's not fair to say that they don't care. Our legal system requires that both sides are represented and that the lawyers for both sides represent their clients to the best of their abilities. Therefore, in every trial, it is inevitable that one of the lawyers will be representing "injustice" ... that's just how our adversarial legal system works. The cases are made, and the jury decides.
Richard van Egneem good point! He may have got away with it legally, but his life was no good after the trial.
Their Job is to hold up the constitution I think not become disgusting slimes garbage to get their client free, but it’s win all all costs with many of them,
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder I like how you talk.
Glad to hear all the "Jones'" in this program. My Grandmother was a Jones, both of her parents were Jones' and both came from Wales to Amarica in the 1600's.
Really enjoying getting to know these stories. Thank you for the time and effort you put in to making these come ‘alive’.
Thank you - I am glad you are enjoying them, and thank you for letting me know!
Your videos are so well done and much better than anything on tv. I'm very happy to have found your channel.
You're very kind to say so - thank you!
These stories and the voice of the narrator make for compulsive listening, thank you for posting the stories
Love your channel - some very interesting cases! (The opening sequence - the animated man with the cigarette falling down dead - reminds me a bit of the old 'Ironside' titles).
Thank you - I'm so glad you like it! The animated man does resemble the Ironside beginning, you're right, I hadn't thought of it before. I am just conscious of doing an awful lot of drawings to produce this little animated sequence!
He looks a lot older than 55 in photos. Horrible suffering for poor, Mabel.😞
Yes, I agree - but his age was 50 in these photos, believe it or not...
Everyone looked older then. No colour in their lives.
I was managed when he said he died at 55. He easily looked late sixties in the photos.
There are many of these creatures among us, known and unknown.
I just discovered your site. You really give great details regarding these past cases. Love the clear strong narration. Thank you! I've just subscribed.
Thank you very much! It's nice to hear you liked it!
Very glad this came up in my recommends, as this is a presentation with high production standards. And what a treat to have "person" narration, by the author!
I've liked and subbed and am looking forward to a massive binge!
Thank you, Bilinda - you have been as good as your word!
They Got Away With Murder yep, usually am! Glad I saw yr reply come up, I think I’m off to second helpings!
I cannot stand modern true crime stories, but I can't get enough of this.
Thank you, Michelle!
All I know is that I would never let that doctor treat or diagnose me, and that Harold looked MUCH older than his wife.
Yes - he seems to have been particularly useless as a physician! In some of the photos Harold looks very old - it is hard to believe he was in his 50s and a success with the ladies!
I love these videos. Your narration is perfect!
Thank you very much indeed, Stuart!
I'll second that.
With cases like these I always wonder what became of the children? Somewhere down the comments it says Irene got married in 1928. What of the other children? And how did it affect their lives and reputations? So sad.
Just found your channel and have binge watched all the episodes, some of them twice. 😊 I find these old murder cases fascinating. In addition to these cases I am also very interested in Edith Thompson's, Alma Rattenbury's and Charlotte Bryant's cases.
Thank you very much, Irmeli - I'm delighted you liked them! I am familiar with the Rattenbury and Stoner case (and the Thompson/Bywaters) but not the Charlotte Bryant case. I have just read of Charlotte Bryant, this moment, however - quite fascinating!
Excellent again, Mark. Dr Griffiths' behaviour goes well beyond incompetence. I wonder what his reputation was as a doctor. Also, I wonder if he was a weak person who could have been manipulated by Greenwood. The suggestion that he was a collaborator - whether before of after the fact - is overpowering.
Thanks Paul. I did try to find out more about the doctor, but aside from references to him in various West Wales newspapers I had little luck. I thought he looked rather shifty in the photos! I know the doctor and Greenwood fell out after the trial and Greenwood left Kidwelly owing the doctor money, but unfortunately I found out little else. Either he was a truly abysmal doctor or a complicit one - or possibly both!
Great points.
I am certain that the same Dr Griffis produced medical evidence in The Major Armstrong case .
I notice the scoundrel had the doctor's sister? daughter? lined up as a red herring for who he was going to marry once his wife was out of the way. Perhaps the good doctor was looking to feather his female relatives nest egg with another unfortunate event?
Very well done! By the way, The Greenwood case was only one of many cases Sir Edward received more congratulatory letters, but none came from the prisoner himself - the only one of all his prisoners who never thanked him by word or letter. Perhaps his counsel’s absences
were still rankling in Mr. Greenwood’s mind. It is certainly a fact
that he refused to pay him his fee.
Thank you, Madonna! I don't know what the cause of Greenwood's refusal to pay his fee was - perhaps he had no money left. He was also involved in a dispute with his former friend Dr Griffiths regarding money owed...
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder he did not pay it because he thought he had the right not to pay it. Considering he was a malignant narcissists on the border line of being a sociopath, one can understand his arrogance of not paying the fee.
@@creolelady182 Yes!
Thank you! Well narrated. Your voice is soothing. Subscribed.
What counsel absences? I don't recall anything about that in this doc, but perhaps you are culling a fact from elsewhere (?).
Another excellent piece of work.I am slowly making my way through your videos. I hope you don’t take this the wrong way but listening to your voice in these videos helps me to fall asleep! 😄👏🏻
Thank you, Anna! I take no offence at that - I am told that by others and I hope that falling asleep to such tales of murder will not be the cause of any nightmares!
They Got Away With Murder On the contrary. Your soothing voice is the thing that sends me off to sleep, regardless of the subject matter you are narrating! 😘
@@annamaciver9889 That's nice!
I've just susbscribed and I am already binge watching all episodes . Keep it up, Mark.
Thank you, Mona - I am pleased you like them!
Very well written and spoken by Mr Maguire...an excellent summing up of a very 'tricky' trial...'
Another great contribution ! Unbelievable it's all the work of one man. Thanks so much.
I believe they did this case for White Hall 1212 and/or Secrets of Scotland Yard. It’s a knotty case. Thanks, lovely channel.
Thank you!
New to this channel am loving it! Could listen to his syrupy soothing voice all night .. such interesting stories that I'd never heard of
Thank you and welcome, Carletta!
Wouldn't get away with stuff like this today, can you even imagine walking into a 'Pharmacy' as they were back then and buying arsenic, morphine and even cocaine over the counter. Now you can't even buy more than 2 packs of paracetamol/ibuprofen.
You're right! I had no idea of this, until I tried to buy 4 packs of paracetamol before going on holiday a couple of years ago and was refused! I thought the cashier was joking for a moment - she wasn't!
Boots pharmacy,Savers,Tesco,Lloyds pharmacy,well,that is 8 packs of paracetamol,just saying....😐
Never take toxic pharmaceuticals " boswella is a natural alt for headache
Traumeel is a good anti inflammatory
Allopathic medicine is a hoax. Never gonna cure you, only suppress symptoms
Have you heard of OJ Simpson?
Conor Leeson you can bye rat poison easily today 🤣
Great presentation and lovely voice:) thankyou
Thank you very much!
I absolutely love this channel and the stories
I'm so glad I found your blog LOVED THIS!
Thank you so much!! I'm glad you liked it, Judith
I do believe that his crime mysteries are captivating just by his voice alone. I am in mystery heaven. Doing a marathon 🤔.Glad that I found your channel ❤️🇨🇴.
Thank you, I'm delighted you enjoy them!
I have been delighted to add your channel to my daily viewing routine. Well done Sir.
So nice of you - thank you Lynn
I’m binging! Ned more uploads, these are fantastic!
Glad you like them! Thanks!
I watch this channel all the time but i just realized that 100 years from somebody will tell the OJ story just like this....
hopefully not a Yank as it will be a BLM exercise perhaps.
Very interesting but I would Also like to know what happened to the second wife and his children over time.
His second wife, Gladys died in Llanelli on 14th January 1962. His son was still alive in the 1970's as he visited Kidwelly. Eileen became a solicitor but died during the war. I've no idea what happened to Ivor. What happened to Irene is another tale to be told. PS Greenwood didn't do it.
Who do you think did it? You seem to imply it was Irene and would be interested in your reasoning. I gather she did not like her mother much, or so Miss Phillips said.
This has immediately become my favourite thing.. fantastic!👏🏻👏🏻
This reminds me so much of the Dandelion Dead story, but that guy did not get away with it. I love your channel!
Can you please do a couple of episodes where "They don't get away with Murder".
Some part of me really needs that.
I would like very much to do that, Antonio, but I am conscious that I will get a barrage of rebukes from dissenters, asking "In what way did he get away with murder?"!
So much to admire about your channel! You really know how to capture a bygone era with painstaking research, wonderfully measured narration, and just an overall elegant production! Many thanks, a new subscriber from New Mexico : )
Many thanks indeed - so glad you like it!
I enjoyed listening. You have a very expressive voice.
interesting story and i could listen to this narrator all day
Poor Mable, her husband does look a lot older than her, I have No Respect for him been with other women while married.
I very much enjoy your stories. Please keep them coming!
Coming soon!
I have watched a few cases by now and soon became a follower of your channel. One reason is your perfect presentation of these old cases, the other your narration. The way people speak English in movies today made me wonder if I had forgotten all I once learned and there you are: a pleasant voice and a dignified diction. It´s a pleasure to listen to you. Thank you for your work.
What a lovely comment - thank you very much Jurgen! I often need subtitles to understand them also!!
I enjoyed this immensely. Thank you.
Thank you, Heather - I'm glad you liked it.
I have to wonder what woman would even consider a proposal from this character?, He tired of his wife, and wanted a newer model perhaps? This geezer takes the cake! These stories are absolutely my cup of tea and as a result I am totally hung up on watching all I can of these lurid murders and on a serious note, I love your narration, sketches and thorough thoughtfulness of the whole picture where the authorities dropped the ball and also the legal proceedings. Thank you for posting such interesting cases.
I don't believe he tired of her so much as he wanted full reign of all her money. She may well have finally said something of him gambling and spending HER money on his girlfriends and this signed her death warrant.
I find myself binge watching the videos on this channel. I find it frightful to consider that I shall run out of them, but in time, I undoubtedly shall
An excellent tutorial series on How to Commit Murder.
Each case study by Maguire provides an example of where the Murderer went wrong and, to astute students, gives a good guide on what NOT to do if the intention is to avoid conviction!
Hahahaha. Forensics are a lot more sophisticated nowadays. I don’t think anyone would get away with that type of murder today.
You make all the cases very interesting, and informative,that I looked forward to hearing them🙂
Good story, well told.
Thank you, Pamela
He died at only 55? Going by the photos I'd say he was in his 70s. Life was harsh then.
Yes, I agree - I had to check his birth details to ensure his age was correct!
I totally agree. He is not attractive at all and looks much older.
I wonder if he lied about his age to impress the ladies.
An interesting case. I've listened to it a few times.
Have you thought of doing a case on Lt Hubert Chevis, the poisoned partridge case?
Great channel. Please look into the death of Jane Stanford from Stanford university. She was poisoned. Her death led the way for the eugenics movement at Stanford.
Have references to share
Love your channel 🥰
Thank you!
We have become addicted to your channel and it is getting us through our long travel by bus days!
I am delighted to hear this - thank you!
Easy listen.i enjoy the style of presentation and the follow on history..thank you
Thank you for the video. I found your channel yesterday. Very interesting.
I love your voice and narration. This is such a sad story with no winners.
Theresa - thank you very much!
I just watched Witness for the Prosecution (with Ralph Richardson and Deborah Kerr) yesterday, for the first time. Listening to this presentation was akin to rewatching the film! Well done.
Yes, I have subbed after seeing you have more to watch. I will try hard to ration myself to one a night, with a cup of cocoa😀💙. I hope you are still out there somewhere bringing more lovely, unknown stories, good for us, not so for the poor victims. Love your voice, I am born and raised English, but live in the USA. You sir feed my need for class A British accent. Thank you from my English heart.
Mr M J Maguire i live in Carmarthen not far from a few of your crime story's, I have visited a few buildings were the crime was committed, I was surprised how close the crimes were from each other i wouldn't have gone to the property's just to look knowing what I've learned from you ,I found it spooky but i have loved every minute standing there knowing what happened all them years ago.standing on the steps of the crown court Carmarthen were Harold Greenwood walked out off made me think was he innocent? Brilliant story teller and historian i don't think people know how much hard work you have to do before you tell your story's ,KEEP THEM STORIES COMING Thank you
It seems that Mr. Hall must have been rather busy. I recall he was in another story. Too bad that he couldn't have had a verdict of "not proven". Thanks, Mark.
Thanks Julie - I rather like the Scottish "third way" myself!
Thank you so much for sharing.
Nice voice.
Thank you for watching and commenting, Zoe.
His second wife was only 9 years older than his own daughter !! Shameless bugger !
I am enjoying your hannel very much - excellent storytelling!
I'm glad you are enjoying it, Teresa - thank you!
I do enjoy a nice gooseberry tart, gooseberry fool and gooseberry crumble too. A much underrated and yet quintessential English summer fruit. It goes unnoticed in so much popular media maybe that's why no one ever suspects it of murder.
i am flabberghasted that the prosicution did not ask what pain meds had to do with arsnic , because she had a belly full of arsnic , not pain meds
Yes - many of these old trials were hit and miss in their presentation of evidence and conduct!
Exactly what I thought.Regardless of what the Dr, competent or not administered, it was the Arsenic that was the issue. People don't normally knowingly ingest arsenic, especially in such a huge amount. But I definitely think the Dr was involved, otherwise his behaviour wasn't just incompetent,it was borderline criminal
@@hogwashmcturnip8930 I am afraid your name becomes you Sir, for you speak complete hogwash; arsenic neither tastes or smells of anything, it can easily be introduced to a victim in their food or drink, or even in a compressed format, I.e. a tablet
@@mrmrsmarshall9110 And your name says it all too. Boring slow pedants from Hicksville by any chance?. At what point did I say arsenic tasted of anything? What I did say clearly went over your heads. I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself, before insulting people because you lack the wit to read a comment correctly .
Good point!
Was this the case which the book "Malice Aforethought" was based on?
I don't know that - but there are similar elements in all of these "respectable" arsenic murders!
I think it is based on the the Major Armstrong case which is very similar to this and was virtually happening at the same time in Kidwelly.
Agatha Christie based her story 'The Cornwall Mystery on this case. Aldous Huxley also wrote The Giaconda Smile which also leant on this case.
Outstanding , so well done, such great quality , wonderful voice , brilliantly told
Many thanks indeed, Gerard!
Always brilliant & so professionally vocally addictive
How kind - thank you, Tom!
Luckily I stumbled across your excellent channel and have been binge watching the first 8 episodes.
A constant theme has emerged that Class played a part in what today would be called “unconscious bias’s “
The working classes weren’t thought to be reliable and can’t be believed or trusted. While the respectable middle classes surely wouldn’t lie, let alone entertain such evil actions.
Sadly families never got justice. It’s also galling too that some of the acquitted went on to live to a ripe old age.
Query: are UK judges still allowed to express their opinion to the jury before they deliberate?
I think the ideal is that they should not do so - but yes, they have always done this, and still do, I believe. Perhaps the most famous example of a judge influencing a trial is the 1979 case of the Liberal leader Jeremy Thorpe, who was accused of the attempted murder of a male prostitute: he was acquitted, largely as a result of the judge's summing up. It was widely criticised and famously lampooned by Peter Cook that year in a 9 minute parody of the judge's summing up, called "Entirely a matter for you." It can be found on TH-cam and is worth seeing.
Why would the daughter lie about drinking the same liquid? What did she gain?
This single claim by the daughter was crucial to the case - the assertion that she had also drunk the wine came late in proceedings and effectively saved Harold from the gallows. As the judge said in his summing up - "If the daughter drank the wine - then there is an end of the prosecution case". It is my belief that Marshall Hall put it to her - as he often did to the defence witnesses he briefed very carefully - that her father would hang if it was accepted that the poison was in the wine. It placed her in a terrible position - obviously she believed her father to be innocent of the crime, but if she had drunk the wine then she would surely have said so when interviewed by police.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Well said; well done. My new favorite TH-cam channel for the following reasons in no certain order: high quality content, writing, and (last but certainly not least) narration! Please accept my gratitude.
Save her father.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder How old was the daughter to be drinking wine?
@@GieCampbel-ug9jl She was 22.
Yesterday I watched my first TGAWM video and then binged by watching 6 more! Today I recommended the channel to a sister and watched my first one of the day. These are addictive!
You are very kind indeed - thank you very much! I am delighted you liked them and even recommended! :)
Sir, you are an exceptional story teller! I so enjoy your channel, thank you!!
Haven’t we heard of that attorney before?
A similar case happened here in Atlanta about 2 years ago
You have a wonderful voice!
Amazing narrator with fascinating stories. New sub👍
Mark you did an excellent job on this video.