Forgot to add... this thing is legit HEAVY AS, like hernia producing heavy, so be careful if you do ever come into one not to just try hulk it off the ground quickly.
Can confirm about the weight, bought one from a 2nd hand dealers in Bondi Junction, had to carry it to train station, had to stop to rest about 10 times for the 1km walk, almost killed me......
Great Video. You nailed the assessment. It's an X58 system. And it has limitations today (no AVX2). While it can game, it's not a gaming system and is best suited for someone who wants to try macos on the cheap. Let us know how much it sells for in a future vid!
@@nix123ism dang, that’s a story you won’t forget, for me the heaviest pc was my dads dell all-in one, weighed about 40 pounds, yet my atx build is way lighter.
You need to boot into MacOS and upgrade to 10.14. That kicks off an EFI upgrade that enables NVME boot and kicks the PCIe slots back to 2.0 (they’re 1.0 for non recognized GPUs otherwise).
@@reggiexp69 Look on TH-cam for some other channels which are "mostly MAC" (all MAC lol) and they will have a walk through of "make that old MAC new again!" as in putting in more/newer video cards, SSD, NVMe, Thunderbolt3, etc. Some good content out there!
I’ve owned a lot of these, recommend upgrading to x5680s or x5690s. For cheap gpus, 7950/7970/280 can be easily flashed for boot screens, rx570/580. Can run opencore easy and run latest MacOS, dual boot into windows 10. I ran a vega vii in mine and played games at 1440p in windows . You left a lot of performance on the table but it’s okay you don’t know the system, I’d recommend keeping it a little while and learning about it.
5690s are dirt cheap--no one wants them. Running MACOS the speed boost with them and 96GB of RAM is noticeable. I was going to mention flashing the BIOS/cards. Thanks for jumping in on that because so many forget/don't know they can. I'm sure he just wants to sell it off for PC parts. If he maxed this out he could (likely) get $300-$400AU over what he'd pay for parts. People in Sydney and all. ;)
I managed to pick up a Mac Pro like this locally for $100. However it was missing a side panel, which are easy enough to get. But the seller felt bad, so to make it up to me, he tossed in an Apple keyboard, mouse and monitor for the $100 price. You can't complain about that!
8:00 It will actually make it to the OS, you just won't get boot picker screen or a boot screen at all. If you already have an OS installed, you can boot into it just fine with a non-mac GPU. It's preferred to have a mac flashed card, though.
Probably. Recently I tried an old HD5670 on my current Windows 11 machine. It ran Heaven and 3DMark Sky Diver without a problem. It's weak but still working.
I spent some time in 2020 gaming with a 2006 1,1 Mac Pro, with 8gb of RAM, SATA SSD and a GTX 285. Weirdest thing was that this specific Mac ran Windows 10 better than any other patched MacOS versions later than the last officially supported 10.7 Lion. I still see some groups related to Mac Pros and people still use them with current powerful GPUs, like the 5700XT, Vegas and the Radeon VII. Some still use NVidia cards, but they lost support after MacOS 10.13 High Sierra. These Macs have a weird power delivery circuit to the GPUs, requiring 2 proprietary 6-pin cables that go through the main motherboard. If they suck too much power, above 225W IIRC, the Mac shuts down. Users mod the power supply to add cables straight to the GPU.
@@techyescity I believe these mac's also have a PCIe lane configuration utility , you would have to boot up once into the appropriate mac os for this series to get it to run. I have a 2007 mac pro and i have it set so the original mac card has 8x but the 980Ti gets 16X lanes.
Bryan, loved the video as always! I have the same Mac Pro. I’m running 2 Xeon 12c/24t at 3.33ghz, 96 gb ecc ram, 15tb storage, add in PCI NVME card 1tb NVME SSD, pci USB type c card and a RX 580 8gb OC graphics card. Even in Mac OS I play games just fine via steam. Mac OS doesn’t need anything but an AMD to boot via metal. Don’t even need the Mac flash in the card. Just thought I’d share. I’ve used a lot of your videos and built many X58 systems with your recommendations. Thank you!!
5770's should run Heaven fine..... 2009 software / 2009 GPU - they were the go to GPU for MAC's and probably still are..... I remember buying a few for peanuts and selling them on as MAC cards for triple the price.... some would work on Apples like the Sapphire ones ;)
Takes me back to 2008 when I was on the Microsoft campus in Sandton, Johannesburg and pretty much all employees had Macbooks with Vista running - since it was the first version of Windows to run UEFI BIOS.
One of the best machines Apple ever produced, I still use my 2009 Mac Pro as a main machine, upgraded to 12 Cores @ 3GHz with 64GB RAM, 1TB PCI SSD as a startup drive, 32TB on HDD Storage (2x8Tb and 1x16TB with one slot still free) and an RX580 that drives my 30" Apple Cinema Display like a charm... You can use OpenCore Patcher to upgrade the OS to the latest version of Monterey and everything works perfect. That's why these machines are still very valuable.
the 2012 mac pro is pretty much exactly the same as the 2010, which hardware is exactly the same as a 2009, just with different firmware. The main drawback of these machines is SATA II imo
Pcie 2.0 will run 3x faster then even sata3 I get 1600 Mbps over pcie 2.0 you won't notice a difference as a boot drive but as a storage drive it makes a huge difference
I had the 2008 3,1 dual quadcore xeon with 32ggb ddr2, ran it with a vega 64 in both windows 10 and the latest MacOS version. These days it's just running with an RX570 on Catalina or Big Sur. those mac edition ATI cards had driver issues sometimes in windows. When repurposing old Mac Pros go Radeon. there is a workaround to run GTX cards alone in windows so you don't lose access to the other slot. cause those are prime PCIe SSD slots.
You probably have to update the Firmware of the Mac. That is why it wont boot with newer GPUs. Mine works flawlessy with RTX20 series GPUs under Windows, withouth the original Mac EFI Bios GPU installed (you just lose the Boot screen).
The inflation numbers came in for the US this week. 7% highest inflation in 40 years. The problem is, inflation doesn’t typically run backwards. They consider “negative inflation” a worse economic problem than high inflation. Therefore prices aren’t going back to pre-pandemic levels.
An old Radeon card doing it's best and holding up a good GeForce card. And people say AMD fine wine is a lie? "She's dead captain!" "Yar, but she still be pullin' her weight."
Sadly, for PC builders and mac users alike, this device is no longer a sane purchase, from a budget standpoint. It’s a rather expensive for what you get, is a very outdated and aging device with many missing features and limitations, with each new hardware release. you are better off building a hackintosh
wow thats shocking, the performance is amazing for only 100$ my old PC from 2014 ran apex only 40 fps on all minimum and my brother sold it in 2019 for 200$ or 300$ I don't remember
Those pc accept gtx 980ti and mostly work. Otherwise if you get a rx580 you can install MacOS Mojave easy. Macvidcards sells modded bios Radeon cards that give you the boot screen so you can load windows d bootcamp
For XTU, you have to download an older version, my system worked very well with older releases but the latest one gives the same “unsupported platform” prompt.
I've been running Windows 10 on a Mac Pro 5.1 from late 2009 using a 1050 TI for a GPU for several years now to great success. I can play plenty of modern games on high settings. I also installed Windows natively, not via Bootcamp, which actually I slightly regret because it makes it wonky when it comes to Bluetooth among a couple of other minor things but for gaming it's been excellent.
OpenCore bootloader FTW... P.S.: I just built a dual x5680 48g rx580 5.1 with bootscreen, overclock via setFSB and win11 with 0 problems and I'm having so much fun with it as I never had before...
@@owen3777 Don't know, actually run w11 22553 :)) P.S.: Runs great, with latest AMD drivers most games still run at 60fps at least on my 1600p ultrasharp .. :/
I'd like to note that the reason you may not have been able to overclock is that if this used the tylersburg 5500/5520 instead of the tylersberg x58 chipset i've never gotten XTU to work. It may have just been the BIOSes of those boards, but i've always gotten the error "unable to install on unsupported platform'
Got a Mac pro 3,1 8-core about two years ago for 50 USD. Some guy had about ten that he'd used as servers and was just getting rid of them - I regret not buying them all and flipping them. Anyway, I put a GTX 960 in it and it works great for older games. Despite the aging socket 771 Xeons I played through the 2016 doom no problems thanks to the Vulcan api. Also have it set up with boot camp so I can switch to mac os if I ever need to without having to grab the original graphics card.
i have some of theese old mac pro 5.1 laying around in my workshop i should probably do something with them too i think u can even throw in x5675 cpu´s in there
I am pretty sure people used to overclock these machines, can't remember if it was with Throttlestop or not, but I do believe it would work. BUT...not for dual CPU, as far as I'm aware. If I remember, it's because there are no unlocked dual CPU for this platform.
@@virtualtools_3021 They are actually six core/12 thread, the W3680/90, I have one, and I also have a W3570 that is an unlocked 4 core/8 thread X58 Xeon...the only one, I believe.
I'm gaming on the exact same machine, well, almost... 2 x5690 CPUs (12C/24T), 72GB RAM, Radeon RX580 Nitro+, 2TB NVMe SSD + 4TB SATA SSD + 3TB HDD on a 2K + 1080p monitors and the RD580 is my current bottleneck, I can't go higher because of MacOS 10.14 which I produce music on, but I'm tempted to put a beefier NVIDIA card in there for Windows and games, while keeping the RX580 for MacOS... should be feasible with OpenCore.
Ive upgraded to an M2 Macbook Pro, but i still use my 2011 MacPro 5,1 with 64GB , RX580 8b and 2x 5690 and its pretty good... Current A titles run pretty well in mid settings. Currently playing Psychonauts 2 in 1440p Highest settings and its sweet.
I mean, also it's a 1070. I might move my 3060 into my 5,1 and try it. Have to check the power reqs...a 6600XT would probably be a bump up and use a lot less power.
Well, Brian,you do surprise me. Not by paying back money. But not by knowing,that it's potato,as it is,AFTER you burn the PC compatible firmware on the 5770!!! It can run GTA V,it can run CS:GO,Valorant!!!! Just drop the handle!!!
Everyone is unloading these now. I got one for $150. had 80GB ddr3, 2 x5680's , 500GB ssd, and USB3.0. I added my Vega Frontier. This thing is awesome. I will sell my MP 3.1. That was near maxed out. Included all keyboard, mouse, and 24inch Cinema Display. Freaking deal!
I got a a quad core mac pro 4,1 2009 for free ..upgraded to a 5690 6 core/rx570 card and nvme and it was quite the machine.. effortless power,cool as a cucumber and fast as well as h264/hevc decoding/encoding ... I always had an eye out for a dual tray and finally got one for 125.00 us dollars...it has the 2 x5690's and 64gb ddr3 1333mhz ram... Finally, ive got one of these that I had fantasized about for quite a while.. running sonoma and 4 other mac os systems And win 11 on a single nvme... I cant see how most people wouldnt be pleased with how smooth and effortlessly fast these beasts are even in 2023..sure there are Faster rigs but this is still a Fast machine and handles everything without the slightest hint of strain.
it always suprises me what people blame the shipping crisis on. hello. china is having another large surge of virus. ports literally had to close for weeks. and there is already a backlog. with "just in time" manufacturing this is always going to be a problem. it's not some mishandling by governments lol.
I have a 2010 Mac Pro 5.1. Mac OS on nvme card. 2 2tb enterprise hd’s 7600 rpm. 2 300gb enterprise hd’s 10000 rpm. 32gb ram, x3690 3.46ghz cpu and rx580 8gb gpu. It runs great still and does everything I need from it. It can play games in high or very high settings on 1080p which is what my monitor is. I also have a modified Mac mini g4 and g3 600 mhz iBook! Hahah oh, it also has boot screen. Gpu has been flashed.
2012 MacPro5,1 w/ EVGA RTX2060, 32G RAM, 1TB SSD Win10. I game Destiny 2 everyday without issue when my clan mates always have issues on gaming PC's. Just saying! Very Duable!
did Throttlestop not work either? Maybe I missed it but I only heard you mention XTU. Throttlestop is what I used to get my W3680 Dell and HP workstations to 3.9GHz and 4GHz respectively.
2:50 How you could get a logic board for dual CPU Mac Pro 2009-2012 to have socket bracket like this? Do we can just get any broken X58 board and just put the socket mechanism on it just like that? (There's o socket lock mechanism in Dual CPU Mac Pro 2009-2012 as far as I remembered and the one I have also doesn't has these brackets)
I have the 2009 single tray model with 5.1 firmware xeon x3680, 12gb DDR3 triple channel, rx570 4gb ddr5, 240gb SSD, mac os Mojave. Going to install big Sur soon
Apple stopped supporting these Macs several years ago, in generally Mac computers are only supported for 6-7 years, some get more support, some get less, but on average it is about 6.5 years. I used to always say, 'Buy a Mac, they're built well, and windows will always support them' but thats changing with windows 11 requiring TPM 2.0, yes i could install it on my 2010 MacBook Pro, but it never worked right, and its not the age of the hardware, my thinkpad of the same hardware design works great in windows 11
Do these Macs support single QPI CPUs? Or dual QPI Link chips only, a la Dell Precision T5500? Try booting it with a single W35XX or W36XX CPU and get back to me with whether it works or not. If it does I have a followup tip for you!
My Mac Pro 2,1 runs Windows 11 like a dream, its double X5365 3Ghz, 24GB DDR2 and Radeon R9750 3GB shows no fear. If u wanna do the same let me know and i will guide u through it!
What a fat beat at 12:00 Brian! (Ignore Them by DustyCloud & Kage Feat. LexBlaze in case someone liked it too). Awesome video! Apple just won't give in to what people really want...pathetic stance.
i have macpro 5.1 from 2010 , 2 x intel x5680, rx580 nitro, windows 10, perfect gaming macine.. i love it more than normal gaming pc, looks better, no stupid cables inside, very good cooling, ....it cost me about 500 euro
I plugged a msi gtx 1060 3gb oc without having to use the original 5770 in it, and it worked just fine no issues, not hacks, and it's a 6pin so it plugged right in with no rewiring. I have successfully updated all drivers and as of today's date whenever if ever someone reads this comment I am running the newest windows 10 updates! Only issue I ran into is the generic TV monitor I hooked up. I thought I was having an audio driver issue. Oddly enough 😅 if you let the pc start for a few min then turn on the monitor it is able to configure it so the speakers work! 🎉 For those of you who are worried about a 1060s performance msi afterburner is definitely a good asset and when I had it paired with an i7 8700k it up until 1 week ago was still able to play the newest video games in 1080p, granted not at high settings all the time. But they were definitely 60fps playable. Although in order to install windows 10 I had to use the 5770 until it was done installing completely but after that it was free reign
Are you aware, that installing Windows via Bootstick on a cMP will write Windows certificates into the NVRAM of the BootROM, which then can brick your cMP ?
The Mac Pro 5,1 is probably the best computer Apple ever built, at least since the SE/30 waaay back in the day (those things were so upgradeable). My secondary gaming system is a Mac Pro 5,1, and I've been experimenting - currently running a ViewSonic 17" CRT and an Asus Matrix HD 5870 2GB. I tinkered with Macs before PCs, and had only worked in that ecosystem for years - my first real computer was a mid-1990s PPC tower (prior it was Commodore, bit of a gap). I have used this computer as a daily driver with an RX 580 both in Mac OS and Linux - the latter can really add some finesse if you aren't willing to deal with OpenCore installations of unsupported operating systems. But, the old slur is true - Macs don't game well. When Apple ditched modularity in their systems, it was the end of my love affair. With my retrogaming setup, it's surprising - though I don't run the most AAA titles - more cRPGs and the like. Currently I'm hanging at 8.1 because it was an easier install with the Mac Boot Camp - which I only used for the driver support. It doubles the frame rate of Mac OS, which itself performed better than Elementary or Pop OS. Linux would not run silent on this machine - I've tried a bunch of distros, a number of GitHub projects... The card is finicky with cooling at least - it provides a boot screen, drive selector options - and, no, it's not flashed. These still sell for a lot for a reason. This is the greatest computer that Apple ever built in my opinion. I'm not alone.
Been watching you vids for a while now. And this is the first time I've commented. There is so much wrong information in this video. You didn't do your subscribers justice on this one. All you really needed to do to run a single good GPU was.. 1. update the boot room. (bios) 2. Update the OS. 3. Get away from Nvidia on this machine. then you can install an rx 480, wx7100, wx9100, rx580, RX 5700xt Vega 56, Vega 65..etc.. Alternatively you could've installed a pair of x5690's (or x5680's) BTW, 6 sticks will out perform 8 sticks.. You really let us down man.. Do better.
Dood, the rx 480/580 are equivilant to a 1060. Also I don't have one of these and I am not planning on getting one but I just don't think owning this machine should force you in to becoming an AMD fanboy
It’s fun seeing a Mac noob trying one out for the first time. Buddy you don’t need that 5770 in there just to boot to windows 10. I’m running a 5,1 with a non standard gpu and it’s just a black screen until I hit windows desktop.
HD 5770 will work as a Valorant, Fortnite Performance mode card with the right drivers in a true windows pc. built a system with one a few months ago. No issues
I've owned a 2009 4,1 -> 5,1 for about 5 months now and as far as gaming goes, I've managed to enjoy AAA titles running them off Steam on Garuda Linux. Frankly, performance and user experience have been fantastic. I will admit there are situations where you have to get crafty to run the title but outside of that, ill be hard pressed k to W10. Great machine. Running X5890 64GB of Ram GTX1070 .
Lol you're not quite getting it man. You are right that government lockdowns effected factory output and thus there were component shortages, but that is one factor. Another factor was consumers were all at home all at once around the world and this skyrocketed demand independently of cash handouts, proof of this is demand in countries that didnt get handouts. Now the point of my trolling comment was that you always blame miners for GPU shortages when almost everything was sold out, computer related or not. There were year long wait lists for bicycles in general (not boutique bmxs), the new consoles are still impossible to get, I could not get my TV, certain models of cars are sold out... It goes on and on, nothing to do with miners so why do you think this doesn't affect GPUs and it's all about miners? I haven't seen any evidence to suggest GPUs are shielded form general market conditions and if they are not then they would be sold out regardless of what miners are doing.
I saw the title and right away knew you scooped up a bargain. These are very popular via to them being the last Mac Pro tower that is relatively upgradable outside the current model which has a huge entry price. They can run a reasonably recent version of MacOS straight away and with a compatible graphics card, can run almost up to the current release. You can swap the CPU's around with various models so you can prioritise clock speed over cores (3.4ghz I believe is the highest with quad core CPU's), they support up to 128gb RAM, you can add USB 3 via expansion cards too. The GPU's are a mix. The last version of nVidia GPU's supported by Apple I think were the 9 series. 10 series were supported by nVidia with drivers they supplied, but weren't in MacOS by default. As others have said, the 1070 would likely boot, but you won't get a loading screen; you'll only get an image once you reach the desktop. AMD cards were better supported. So its common for people upgrading these to go for a Vega card or 5700 for example. I think Snazzy Labs and Luke Miani have done videos on upgrading these models in the past. But fully decked out they are still capable PC's.
The reason u only got 2/5 fps in heaven is a sign of missing drivers i have a HD 4870 and its kicking 25 fps in heaven on 1080p and it can still play modern games on 720p the only issue is direct x 10
Interesting 👍😀 but such a shame not possible to access the bios, there must be a way... someone that works in a service centre doing repairs should know...
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Forgot to add... this thing is legit HEAVY AS, like hernia producing heavy, so be careful if you do ever come into one not to just try hulk it off the ground quickly.
Hey can u pick up a think centre m700 sff n see if that can run 2021 titles thanks 😊 🙏
Can confirm about the weight, bought one from a 2nd hand dealers in Bondi Junction, had to carry it to train station, had to stop to rest about 10 times for the 1km walk, almost killed me......
Great Video. You nailed the assessment. It's an X58 system. And it has limitations today (no AVX2). While it can game, it's not a gaming system and is best suited for someone who wants to try macos on the cheap. Let us know how much it sells for in a future vid!
hope you used AMD catalyst 15.7 with those 5770 video cards for windows 10 or windows 7
@@nix123ism dang, that’s a story you won’t forget, for me the heaviest pc was my dads dell all-in one, weighed about 40 pounds, yet my atx build is way lighter.
You need to boot into MacOS and upgrade to 10.14. That kicks off an EFI upgrade that enables NVME boot and kicks the PCIe slots back to 2.0 (they’re 1.0 for non recognized GPUs otherwise).
Beat me to it!
would be cool to see a video him trying all this :)
@@reggiexp69 Look on TH-cam for some other channels which are "mostly MAC" (all MAC lol) and they will have a walk through of "make that old MAC new again!" as in putting in more/newer video cards, SSD, NVMe, Thunderbolt3, etc. Some good content out there!
Yeah, I was gonna ask if he'd done all the firmware upgrades.
I’ve owned a lot of these, recommend upgrading to x5680s or x5690s. For cheap gpus, 7950/7970/280 can be easily flashed for boot screens, rx570/580. Can run opencore easy and run latest MacOS, dual boot into windows 10. I ran a vega vii in mine and played games at 1440p in windows . You left a lot of performance on the table but it’s okay you don’t know the system, I’d recommend keeping it a little while and learning about it.
5690s are dirt cheap--no one wants them. Running MACOS the speed boost with them and 96GB of RAM is noticeable. I was going to mention flashing the BIOS/cards. Thanks for jumping in on that because so many forget/don't know they can. I'm sure he just wants to sell it off for PC parts. If he maxed this out he could (likely) get $300-$400AU over what he'd pay for parts. People in Sydney and all. ;)
How do you power a Vega Vii in one of these?
I managed to pick up a Mac Pro like this locally for $100. However it was missing a side panel, which are easy enough to get. But the seller felt bad, so to make it up to me, he tossed in an Apple keyboard, mouse and monitor for the $100 price. You can't complain about that!
8:00 It will actually make it to the OS, you just won't get boot picker screen or a boot screen at all. If you already have an OS installed, you can boot into it just fine with a non-mac GPU. It's preferred to have a mac flashed card, though.
The 5770s are perfectly fine for eSports they just have a Mac BIOS on them which makes them run like shit in windows
Probably. Recently I tried an old HD5670 on my current Windows 11 machine. It ran Heaven and 3DMark Sky Diver without a problem. It's weak but still working.
@@ПламенМарков-я1г i had a 7570 (despite 7000 series it was still terascale 2) and it could run many esports titles at lower settings well
yeah Australia got some weird shit, where every usless mac keeps it high price.
I spent some time in 2020 gaming with a 2006 1,1 Mac Pro, with 8gb of RAM, SATA SSD and a GTX 285. Weirdest thing was that this specific Mac ran Windows 10 better than any other patched MacOS versions later than the last officially supported 10.7 Lion.
I still see some groups related to Mac Pros and people still use them with current powerful GPUs, like the 5700XT, Vegas and the Radeon VII. Some still use NVidia cards, but they lost support after MacOS 10.13 High Sierra.
These Macs have a weird power delivery circuit to the GPUs, requiring 2 proprietary 6-pin cables that go through the main motherboard. If they suck too much power, above 225W IIRC, the Mac shuts down. Users mod the power supply to add cables straight to the GPU.
Ah thanks for letting me know that, just saw the price of the originals selling on ebay and thought I wouldn't go too crazy on it :P
@@techyescity I believe these mac's also have a PCIe lane configuration utility , you would have to boot up once into the appropriate mac os for this series to get it to run. I have a 2007 mac pro and i have it set so the original mac card has 8x but the 980Ti gets 16X lanes.
good ole plx mod :)
@@amdintelxsniperx No
@@billg6059 yes that's his you convert the psu to handle more power hungry gpus
Bryan, loved the video as always! I have the same Mac Pro. I’m running 2 Xeon 12c/24t at 3.33ghz, 96 gb ecc ram, 15tb storage, add in PCI NVME card 1tb NVME SSD, pci USB type c card and a RX 580 8gb OC graphics card. Even in Mac OS I play games just fine via steam. Mac OS doesn’t need anything but an AMD to boot via metal. Don’t even need the Mac flash in the card. Just thought I’d share. I’ve used a lot of your videos and built many X58 systems with your recommendations. Thank you!!
5770's should run Heaven fine..... 2009 software / 2009 GPU - they were the go to GPU for MAC's and probably still are..... I remember buying a few for peanuts and selling them on as MAC cards for triple the price.... some would work on Apples like the Sapphire ones ;)
This was my thought too - Heaven is a really old benchmark, so should work fine on an old card.
I've done the same thing on a 5870 on a 2008 Mac Pro, ran just fine; if a little slow.
I agree, the 5770 should run Heaven fine. Heck, it runs Fortnite in performance mode at 60+ fps at 1080p.
When I tested it the other day, I got 20 FPS on default settings at 1680x1050.
Takes me back to 2008 when I was on the Microsoft campus in Sandton, Johannesburg and pretty much all employees had Macbooks with Vista running - since it was the first version of Windows to run UEFI BIOS.
One of the best machines Apple ever produced, I still use my 2009 Mac Pro as a main machine, upgraded to 12 Cores @ 3GHz with 64GB RAM, 1TB PCI SSD as a startup drive, 32TB on HDD Storage (2x8Tb and 1x16TB with one slot still free) and an RX580 that drives my 30" Apple Cinema Display like a charm... You can use OpenCore Patcher to upgrade the OS to the latest version of Monterey and everything works perfect. That's why these machines are still very valuable.
Feels like the Tech Yes Man really lives up to the motto "it's downside up" - cause he can turn almost anything from a downside to an upside
the 2012 mac pro is pretty much exactly the same as the 2010, which hardware is exactly the same as a 2009, just with different firmware. The main drawback of these machines is SATA II imo
maybe use the second 16x pcie slot to run a pcie to Nvme M.2 SSD for storage with a Sata SSD for the boot drive
You can even run them with an NVMe drive in a PCIe slot...but then you are limited by PCIe 2.0
Pcie 2.0 will run 3x faster then even sata3 I get 1600 Mbps over pcie 2.0 you won't notice a difference as a boot drive but as a storage drive it makes a huge difference
@@paulburkey2 this is true
@@paulburkey2 this what i did and Cyberpunk runs like butter
I had the 2008 3,1 dual quadcore xeon with 32ggb ddr2, ran it with a vega 64 in both windows 10 and the latest MacOS version. These days it's just running with an RX570 on Catalina or Big Sur.
those mac edition ATI cards had driver issues sometimes in windows.
When repurposing old Mac Pros go Radeon. there is a workaround to run GTX cards alone in windows so you don't lose access to the other slot. cause those are prime PCIe SSD slots.
You probably have to update the Firmware of the Mac. That is why it wont boot with newer GPUs. Mine works flawlessy with RTX20 series GPUs under Windows, withouth the original Mac EFI Bios GPU installed (you just lose the Boot screen).
The inflation numbers came in for the US this week.
7% highest inflation in 40 years.
The problem is, inflation doesn’t typically run backwards. They consider “negative inflation” a worse economic problem than high inflation.
Therefore prices aren’t going back to pre-pandemic levels.
An old Radeon card doing it's best and holding up a good GeForce card. And people say AMD fine wine is a lie?
"She's dead captain!"
"Yar, but she still be pullin' her weight."
Sadly, for PC builders and mac users alike, this device is no longer a sane purchase, from a budget standpoint. It’s a rather expensive for what you get, is a very outdated and aging device with many missing features and limitations, with each new hardware release. you are better off building a hackintosh
Also worth a re-visit after you've installed OpenCore, you might get rid of the ATI card afterwards....
wow thats shocking, the performance is amazing for only 100$
my old PC from 2014 ran apex only 40 fps on all minimum and my brother sold it in 2019 for 200$ or 300$ I don't remember
$500AU--he added $400AU graphics card to get it to have that performance in gaming. :)
For Sale: 9800gt 512mb $500 firm no lowballs i know what i got!
Those pc accept gtx 980ti and mostly work. Otherwise if you get a rx580 you can install MacOS Mojave easy. Macvidcards sells modded bios Radeon cards that give you the boot screen so you can load windows d bootcamp
A lot of bad info in this video. Shocked that it was uploaded recently.
For XTU, you have to download an older version, my system worked very well with older releases but the latest one gives the same “unsupported platform” prompt.
The case is awesome. Always loved the way it looks. It's a great piece of design considering its age.
I've been running Windows 10 on a Mac Pro 5.1 from late 2009 using a 1050 TI for a GPU for several years now to great success. I can play plenty of modern games on high settings. I also installed Windows natively, not via Bootcamp, which actually I slightly regret because it makes it wonky when it comes to Bluetooth among a couple of other minor things but for gaming it's been excellent.
Hi can you play gran turismo sport or forza horizon on this?
just buy yourself a HP Z400 and save yourself the headache
Ive got 2 z420's on my desk right now.......they are like old maytag washing machines
You got the dual socket one too. Just the cpu tray for dual cpu go for $600 usd. You got a really good deal
I would have put Linux on it, TechYes do some Linux builds!
Linux Mint 20 broke WINE
Still probably run better than mine
OpenCore bootloader FTW... P.S.: I just built a dual x5680 48g rx580 5.1 with bootscreen, overclock via setFSB and win11 with 0 problems and I'm having so much fun with it as I never had before...
how is gaming on it in windows 10?
@@owen3777 Don't know, actually run w11 22553 :)) P.S.: Runs great, with latest AMD drivers most games still run at 60fps at least on my 1600p ultrasharp .. :/
I'd like to note that the reason you may not have been able to overclock is that if this used the tylersburg 5500/5520 instead of the tylersberg x58 chipset i've never gotten XTU to work. It may have just been the BIOSes of those boards, but i've always gotten the error "unable to install on unsupported platform'
Be careful pulling the cpu tray in and out of the back plane socket. I made that mistake once and bent pins in the backplane. It was a costly mistake
Such stuff in Europe = illussion.
Got a Mac pro 3,1 8-core about two years ago for 50 USD. Some guy had about ten that he'd used as servers and was just getting rid of them - I regret not buying them all and flipping them.
Anyway, I put a GTX 960 in it and it works great for older games. Despite the aging socket 771 Xeons I played through the 2016 doom no problems thanks to the Vulcan api.
Also have it set up with boot camp so I can switch to mac os if I ever need to without having to grab the original graphics card.
How did you get one for 100$?!? Mine cost 400$ with the dual cpu tray
Best mac ever built! So expandable, upgradable. I remember trying to put in extra HDs into older Macs. You almost needed 3 hands
i have some of theese old mac pro 5.1 laying around in my workshop i should probably do something with them too i think u can even throw in x5675 cpu´s in there
You should. They are still in demand. The x5675 are the best bang for buck as the x5690 are still too expensive
I wonder if Throttlestop would work for overclocking this.
I am pretty sure people used to overclock these machines, can't remember if it was with Throttlestop or not, but I do believe it would work. BUT...not for dual CPU, as far as I'm aware. If I remember, it's because there are no unlocked dual CPU for this platform.
Only MAYBE on a single CPU model with the unlocked xeons (W3680, W3690, whatever the previous gen ones are, but they're only quad cores)
@@virtualtools_3021 They are actually six core/12 thread, the W3680/90, I have one, and I also have a W3570 that is an unlocked 4 core/8 thread X58 Xeon...the only one, I believe.
you can overclock them, very little info but on my 2007 mac pro i did get it to overclock and ive heard on these its far easier.
You're goated at fortnite I'm not gonna lie you could beat any tech tubers at games
I'm gaming on the exact same machine, well, almost... 2 x5690 CPUs (12C/24T), 72GB RAM, Radeon RX580 Nitro+, 2TB NVMe SSD + 4TB SATA SSD + 3TB HDD on a 2K + 1080p monitors and the RD580 is my current bottleneck, I can't go higher because of MacOS 10.14 which I produce music on, but I'm tempted to put a beefier NVIDIA card in there for Windows and games, while keeping the RX580 for MacOS... should be feasible with OpenCore.
Managed to buy a Mac Pro for £130 and he included two untested thunderbolt displays 27”. The both work fine
Ive upgraded to an M2 Macbook Pro, but i still use my 2011 MacPro 5,1 with 64GB , RX580 8b and 2x 5690 and its pretty good... Current A titles run pretty well in mid settings. Currently playing Psychonauts 2 in 1440p Highest settings and its sweet.
My 5,1 rocks 2022 RX6800XT, MONTEREY 12.6.1 WINDOWS 10 for gaming. Long live 5,1.
I mean, also it's a 1070. I might move my 3060 into my 5,1 and try it. Have to check the power reqs...a 6600XT would probably be a bump up and use a lot less power.
Well, Brian,you do surprise me.
Not by paying back money.
But not by knowing,that it's potato,as it is,AFTER you burn the PC compatible firmware on the 5770!!!
It can run GTA V,it can run CS:GO,Valorant!!!!
Just drop the handle!!!
Everyone is unloading these now. I got one for $150. had 80GB ddr3, 2 x5680's , 500GB ssd, and USB3.0. I added my Vega Frontier. This thing is awesome. I will sell my MP 3.1. That was near maxed out. Included all keyboard, mouse, and 24inch Cinema Display. Freaking deal!
Shutting down when playing a graphically intense game with AMD RX580 8GB 30 mins into it. It can't handle it under immense amount heat.
I got a a quad core mac pro 4,1 2009 for free ..upgraded to a 5690 6 core/rx570 card and nvme and it was quite the machine.. effortless power,cool as a cucumber and fast as well as h264/hevc decoding/encoding ... I always had an eye out for a dual tray and finally got one for 125.00 us dollars...it has the 2 x5690's and 64gb ddr3 1333mhz ram... Finally, ive got one of these that I had fantasized about for quite a while.. running sonoma and 4 other mac os systems And win 11 on a single nvme... I cant see how most people wouldnt be pleased with how smooth and effortlessly fast these beasts are even in 2023..sure there are Faster rigs but this is still a Fast machine and handles everything without the slightest hint of strain.
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it always suprises me what people blame the shipping crisis on. hello. china is having another large surge of virus. ports literally had to close for weeks. and there is already a backlog. with "just in time" manufacturing this is always going to be a problem. it's not some mishandling by governments lol.
Then add Brandon and his muppet show into the mix.
I have a 2010 Mac Pro 5.1. Mac OS on nvme card. 2 2tb enterprise hd’s 7600 rpm. 2 300gb enterprise hd’s 10000 rpm. 32gb ram, x3690 3.46ghz cpu and rx580 8gb gpu. It runs great still and does everything I need from it. It can play games in high or very high settings on 1080p which is what my monitor is. I also have a modified Mac mini g4 and g3 600 mhz iBook! Hahah oh, it also has boot screen. Gpu has been flashed.
the mac pro is by far my favourite computers ever made
2012 MacPro5,1 w/ EVGA RTX2060, 32G RAM, 1TB SSD Win10. I game Destiny 2 everyday without issue when my clan mates always have issues on gaming PC's. Just saying! Very Duable!
did Throttlestop not work either? Maybe I missed it but I only heard you mention XTU. Throttlestop is what I used to get my W3680 Dell and HP workstations to 3.9GHz and 4GHz respectively.
2:50 How you could get a logic board for dual CPU Mac Pro 2009-2012 to have socket bracket like this? Do we can just get any broken X58 board and just put the socket mechanism on it just like that? (There's o socket lock mechanism in Dual CPU Mac Pro 2009-2012 as far as I remembered and the one I have also doesn't has these brackets)
This was literally my favorite mac design of all time and I don't even like macs.
I have the 2009 single tray model with 5.1 firmware xeon x3680, 12gb DDR3 triple channel, rx570 4gb ddr5, 240gb SSD, mac os Mojave. Going to install big Sur soon
Apple stopped supporting these Macs several years ago, in generally Mac computers are only supported for 6-7 years, some get more support, some get less, but on average it is about 6.5 years.
I used to always say, 'Buy a Mac, they're built well, and windows will always support them' but thats changing with windows 11 requiring TPM 2.0, yes i could install it on my 2010 MacBook Pro, but it never worked right, and its not the age of the hardware, my thinkpad of the same hardware design works great in windows 11
Do these Macs support single QPI CPUs? Or dual QPI Link chips only, a la Dell Precision T5500?
Try booting it with a single W35XX or W36XX CPU and get back to me with whether it works or not. If it does I have a followup tip for you!
Wish there was a current production Mac Pro cheese grater style atx style case around for modern consumer hardware builds
My Mac Pro 2,1 runs Windows 11 like a dream, its double X5365 3Ghz, 24GB DDR2 and Radeon R9750 3GB shows no fear.
If u wanna do the same let me know and i will guide u through it!
What a fat beat at 12:00 Brian! (Ignore Them by DustyCloud & Kage Feat. LexBlaze in case someone liked it too). Awesome video! Apple just won't give in to what people really want...pathetic stance.
@Tech Yes City:
I have used the hd 5770 about 2 weeks ago on a Athlon x4 system.. Was getting 60FPS on 720p.. Wonder if you had driver troubles.
I got you beat.
ASUS P6t
12gig ram
x5675
r9 390 8gig
850watt corsair
65 bucks total
xeon x56xx's are dummy cheap right now
i have macpro 5.1 from 2010 , 2 x intel x5680, rx580 nitro, windows 10, perfect gaming macine.. i love it more than normal gaming pc, looks better, no stupid cables inside, very good cooling, ....it cost me about 500 euro
speakin of overclocking x58, do you think you might make an x58 overclocking guide for 2022?
Love how you solve everything and tell us how! Wouldn’t expect anything less from the YES man
3:14 Apple in a nutshell.
I plugged a msi gtx 1060 3gb oc without having to use the original 5770 in it, and it worked just fine no issues, not hacks, and it's a 6pin so it plugged right in with no rewiring. I have successfully updated all drivers and as of today's date whenever if ever someone reads this comment I am running the newest windows 10 updates! Only issue I ran into is the generic TV monitor I hooked up. I thought I was having an audio driver issue. Oddly enough 😅 if you let the pc start for a few min then turn on the monitor it is able to configure it so the speakers work! 🎉 For those of you who are worried about a 1060s performance msi afterburner is definitely a good asset and when I had it paired with an i7 8700k it up until 1 week ago was still able to play the newest video games in 1080p, granted not at high settings all the time. But they were definitely 60fps playable. Although in order to install windows 10 I had to use the 5770 until it was done installing completely but after that it was free reign
Are you aware, that installing Windows via Bootstick on a cMP will write Windows certificates into the NVRAM of the BootROM, which then can brick your cMP ?
The Mac Pro 5,1 is probably the best computer Apple ever built, at least since the SE/30 waaay back in the day (those things were so upgradeable).
My secondary gaming system is a Mac Pro 5,1, and I've been experimenting - currently running a ViewSonic 17" CRT and an Asus Matrix HD 5870 2GB. I tinkered with Macs before PCs, and had only worked in that ecosystem for years - my first real computer was a mid-1990s PPC tower (prior it was Commodore, bit of a gap).
I have used this computer as a daily driver with an RX 580 both in Mac OS and Linux - the latter can really add some finesse if you aren't willing to deal with OpenCore installations of unsupported operating systems. But, the old slur is true - Macs don't game well. When Apple ditched modularity in their systems, it was the end of my love affair.
With my retrogaming setup, it's surprising - though I don't run the most AAA titles - more cRPGs and the like. Currently I'm hanging at 8.1 because it was an easier install with the Mac Boot Camp - which I only used for the driver support. It doubles the frame rate of Mac OS, which itself performed better than Elementary or Pop OS.
Linux would not run silent on this machine - I've tried a bunch of distros, a number of GitHub projects... The card is finicky with cooling at least - it provides a boot screen, drive selector options - and, no, it's not flashed.
These still sell for a lot for a reason. This is the greatest computer that Apple ever built in my opinion.
I'm not alone.
yeap, i came over for Commodore 64 after fallout of the company. somedays i miss the commodore/ Amiga generation
Been watching you vids for a while now. And this is the first time I've commented. There is so much wrong information in this video.
You didn't do your subscribers justice on this one. All you really needed to do to run a single good GPU was..
1. update the boot room. (bios)
2. Update the OS.
3. Get away from Nvidia on this machine.
then you can install an rx 480, wx7100, wx9100, rx580, RX 5700xt Vega 56, Vega 65..etc..
Alternatively you could've installed a pair of x5690's (or x5680's) BTW, 6 sticks will out perform 8 sticks..
You really let us down man.. Do better.
What if i dont want to use a power sucker like the Vega 56? The 1070 is a much better card
@@cj386. Rx480, wx7100, Rx580,..
Of your worried about power, you bought the wrong space heater, aka MacPro
Dood, the rx 480/580 are equivilant to a 1060. Also I don't have one of these and I am not planning on getting one but I just don't think owning this machine should force you in to becoming an AMD fanboy
I've gamed for like 5 minutes my entire life in this one video. Here's a Mac pro. Vega 56 gaming. Xp
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Nothing wrong with the Vega 56 as long as you have a system to power it, not everybody does and in that case the 1070 is better.
I just found an imac G4 that someone thrashed, kinda looks like a sunflower 🌻, needs a techYES cleaning, and hope it works
The cases are so beautiful! What other case that old is such a looker?
I bought one for $100 bucks like 5 years ago - sold it stripped and was an empty shell for $200
It’s fun seeing a Mac noob trying one out for the first time. Buddy you don’t need that 5770 in there just to boot to windows 10. I’m running a 5,1 with a non standard gpu and it’s just a black screen until I hit windows desktop.
HD 5770 will work as a Valorant, Fortnite Performance mode card with the right drivers in a true windows pc. built a system with one a few months ago. No issues
I wish I would get one for that price. The best I ever found was a Mac Pro 3,1 from 2008 for 100 bucks.
I have two HD 5770s and they surely run heaven at 1080p and with more than 3fps even a single one. Still ancient and not for gaming but still.
I've owned a 2009 4,1 -> 5,1 for about 5 months now and as far as gaming goes, I've managed to enjoy AAA titles running them off Steam on Garuda Linux. Frankly, performance and user experience have been fantastic. I will admit there are situations where you have to get crafty to run the title but outside of that, ill be hard pressed k to W10. Great machine. Running X5890 64GB of Ram GTX1070
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How did you get Windows 10 to run on the 5,1?
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Lol you're not quite getting it man. You are right that government lockdowns effected factory output and thus there were component shortages, but that is one factor. Another factor was consumers were all at home all at once around the world and this skyrocketed demand independently of cash handouts, proof of this is demand in countries that didnt get handouts. Now the point of my trolling comment was that you always blame miners for GPU shortages when almost everything was sold out, computer related or not. There were year long wait lists for bicycles in general (not boutique bmxs), the new consoles are still impossible to get, I could not get my TV, certain models of cars are sold out... It goes on and on, nothing to do with miners so why do you think this doesn't affect GPUs and it's all about miners? I haven't seen any evidence to suggest GPUs are shielded form general market conditions and if they are not then they would be sold out regardless of what miners are doing.
I saw the title and right away knew you scooped up a bargain. These are very popular via to them being the last Mac Pro tower that is relatively upgradable outside the current model which has a huge entry price. They can run a reasonably recent version of MacOS straight away and with a compatible graphics card, can run almost up to the current release. You can swap the CPU's around with various models so you can prioritise clock speed over cores (3.4ghz I believe is the highest with quad core CPU's), they support up to 128gb RAM, you can add USB 3 via expansion cards too. The GPU's are a mix. The last version of nVidia GPU's supported by Apple I think were the 9 series. 10 series were supported by nVidia with drivers they supplied, but weren't in MacOS by default. As others have said, the 1070 would likely boot, but you won't get a loading screen; you'll only get an image once you reach the desktop. AMD cards were better supported. So its common for people upgrading these to go for a Vega card or 5700 for example. I think Snazzy Labs and Luke Miani have done videos on upgrading these models in the past. But fully decked out they are still capable PC's.
It will boot with custom GPU once you installed the os, just you need to wait for a long time
100? Wow. The cheapest 5,1 I can find around here are always over 250-300€ :/
omg i love x58! i still have my asus px58d-e with a triple channel patriot kit....so awesome long live the x5675
The reason u only got 2/5 fps in heaven is a sign of missing drivers i have a HD 4870 and its kicking 25 fps in heaven on 1080p and it can still play modern games on 720p the only issue is direct x 10
Hey man, can you make an updated video on Windows 10 Yes Edition with the lastest version of Windows 10, or maybe even an Windows 11 version?
You kinda lying you said $100 the average price for a 12 core mac pro 5.1 is £450 or $765 not $100
I found one for £100 ($60)
with 2xeons
100gb 1366mhz ddr3
And an Rx580
Welcome to the hackintosh... GPU choice is limited down to BIOS level.
They're selling two of these for 240€ a piece at our local recycling market/center thingie.
And that's how you create inflation by selling an overrated product two times for overpriced prices xD
Interesting 👍😀 but such a shame not possible to access the bios, there must be a way... someone that works in a service centre doing repairs should know...
Dialiked everything about the Apple brand. And Jobs? I found him to be a tiresome and pretentious adboy.
Can you put the best videocard rtx 30xx you have and do some benchmarks? Please?
$100 for a dual CPU mac pro 5,1 is absolutely fucking mental
You are a wealth of information, thank u for making videos for us.