Would love to see Steam OS on this. I mean it kind of looks like one of those early 2000s concept console designs, so a console-like OS would be quite fitting.
That's funny, that's what led me to this video. Wondering if ChimeraOS can run on these since they used Radeon graphics. Still one of my favorite Apple designs.
I remember seeing one of these in the corner of an office and the way it was positioned it actually looked just like a bin. So much so that one of the people coming to a meeting threw his polystyrene coffee cup into it. The cup was not empty!
Bought one of these a few months ago, 64GB RAM & 12-core Xeon, for $189 on eBay - been my main workhorse system since and as an ollama server host I can access from anywhere via phone. Rock solid performance, never makes a sound, excellent audio drivers for low latency FL Studio use.
I'd love for you to try and game on other mac computers like this, like the mac pro 4,1 and 5,1, retina display macs from 2012 with an igpu, and maybe even use linux on them as well
It's fun tinkering with old Macs to see what kind of performance you can get. I bought a 2012 Mac Mini with 16GB of RAM and a 516GB SSD and was surprised at how well it ran whatever I threw at it.
Used one of these for years at a professional post house. Not the fastest but super stable. Had the D700’s. I still have one and use it for encoding super low priority stuff. Just set the encodes and let it go. Not fast by any means but quiet. And if your like me and have a lot of older legacy thunderbolt raid arrays and capture cards in nice to have those ports.
I've literally got one as a trashcan in my office. I ended up needing two outer shells for my m1 mac mini -> mac pro mod and wound up turning the scratched up shell into my new office trashcan. It's far from the world's most expensive trashcan but it IS the world's most expensive trashcan in terms of research and development.
My brother got one of these and used it for two years before replacing it with a notebook that was twice the specs for a lot less. They do look really cool but man they were pricy. I kinda wish they would make a trashcan mac mini, it does look really cool but the new apple chips don't need what this was designed for, cooling.
If you want a good intel mac the best overall was the imac pro with vega 64 or 64x. The 10 core model specifically as it maintains boost clock without thermal throttle, 4ghz on all 10 cores in windows. It still works great in OS X and RPCS3, Switch emu, all of it works perfectly upscaled to 1440P or more.
Those from BootCampDrivers work very well on my macbook pro. Should add Dx12 and Vulkan support as well on the D500. Amernime drivers could work too, although they've been somewhat glitchy for me
I have one with a 150w Xeon E5 2687W V2 (8 cores but higher clock speed turbo sustained) and it works very well. I use mac os Mojave 10.14.6 I use it to maintain compatibility with some older mac apps. It's 64gb ram and 2tb OWC Aura Pro X2. I works fully with full icloud support. It's the ideal bridge machine between older and newer machines. The M2 pro mac mini would destroy it very much but it can not run Mojave. I wonder if the D700 is much of a difference ? the Mac Pro 2013 trashcan is a collector machine in my mind. Maintenance requires re-paste of the CPU every 5 years.
I usually find experimenting with old hardware kind of fun especially when it was something I noticed but couldn't afford back in the day. With Apple hardware I'm still left a little blah because of an experience I had when I went to an Apple store to buy a high-end workstation for video editing and the Apple Dude wouldn't let me practice edit some raw high-def video from a DVD I brought in. He said, "It wouldn't be a fair test of the computer" and couldn't let me evaluate whether I should spend a lot more for a Mac or just build a PC. Thanks for steering me away from that cult I say now!
That's so totally opposite of companies like Sun, SGI and DEC. They had demo systems and really liked to show off what they could do, though you did generally have to sign an NDA to play with them.
@@destructodisk9074 - I haven't been to every computer store in the world so I can't speak to that statistic. In this case there wasn't a virus or malware concern and it was quite a while ago before that policy was wide spread. Do you know how many computer stores reload a fresh OS image every night?
@@destructodisk9074 - Thanks for your expert opinion. I've only done IT work for the Microsoft store and worked at a big computer store. You are the champion!
Hi! It would be nice to have power consumption comparison with hardware like this Mac. Energy consumption should be a factor when purchasing old hardware because that cost can creep up on you eventually.
I would be interested in using one of these as a pfsense firewall or as a plain media server since it has dual gigabit ports, and cheap parts like DDR3.
Oh I know its not a good value but 400 usd is such a tempting price for such a cool design, I remember how much I lusted after these when they came out, on the other hand I could get an M2 mac mini for 500 and get so much more power
Funnily enough I just dropped the 12 core into my Trashmac Pro today, it’s noticeably better for the workloads I use it for (photo and video work) but the lower clocks mean it’s probably worse for emulation and games. That said, the only benchmark I bothered to do to compare was Novabench, which showed a decent increase in both cpu and gpu performance, which makes little sense to me, unless however it measures gpu was bottlenecks by the cpu which would be a silly way to do things. It’s also a pain in the neck to do, so probably not recommended for the usual ETA Prime use cases.
@@linuxes9681 it can keep a 12 core workload in the 70 C range while silent and in a small form factor. im by no means an apple fanatic I just admire the engineering behind this machine. regardless not sure why your getting so hostile over whether or not a 10 year old computer is any good
@@rileyhance318 Yea but i recall hearing them overheat. especially with more powerful GPU's. Also because of the form factor you were limited to the GPUs you could use. I kinda want one though just because of the uniqueness
@@linuxes9681 definitely not a practical design for professional workflows nor did crossfire hold up. I just find the center darth vader heatsink with only 1 fan cooling the whole thing interesting
You should look at the E5-2687W V2 instead of the 12 core. It is a 8 core but with dramatically higher clocks. Craft computing just did a video on comparing the older cpus.
I read that the higher clock 8 core Xeon CPUs might draw too much power for these systems. They are rated for 130 Watt processors and maybe the higher clocked 8 cores need 150 Watts.
Mac Pro trashcan with AMD graphics was a good gaming machine, back in the day. Today, Mac Studio or Mac Pro with M2 processor are terrible for gaming! And today, it is impossible to use an AMD or NVidia graphics card on a Mac with M2 Ultra. Mac Studio: over $5000 USD Mac Pro: over $8000 USD Both machines are dead-end, no upgrades. Disposable computers.
Ngl i might actually buy this pc to switch it up cuz my dell alienware aurora r6 legit just died on me so i wanna switch it up perhaps try a solid pc that can run MacOS and windows and i am quite impressed that it can run god of war
I remember when these came out I wanted one so bad had specs I wanted would cost almost 26k with the max specs on everything monitors graphics cards it was a dream I’m glad never came true hard to believe how many programs I use for game development doesn’t run very well on Mac.
Mac Pro 5,1 would be a better choice due to modularity. Fully upgraded those + swap Nvidia graphics card with AMD RX 580 or RX 5700 XT (also need to install modded driver for Mac OS) + triple boot OS (Mac OS + Windows 10 + Linux such as HoloISO) and bang, ultimate Mac Pro to last.
Technically possible! The trash can has Thunderbolt 2 ports, so you can use the official Apple Thunderbolt 2 to 3 adapter to connect an eGPU. It really just comes down to driver support
My trashcan 2013 64Gb 12core D500 512Gb it is pretty much unsupported so I changed the ssd for a 1TB and installed windows 11 pro not and bootcamp I had some problems with graphics drivers for the d500 but it is now sorted :) My kids now have their own trashcan and they like it quite well with windows! perfect little gaming console!
Just to clarify. Best driver for this is Custom Bootcamp Radeon Adredaline 19.11 ( Vulkan / Directx11 / Open GL ) And the D700 6gbx2 Runs very solid on Crossfire. You gotta check the list of games that support crossfire to beguin with AND there are Custom Crossfire Profiles that include titles that are not optimized to run on dual gpu but it makes them run anyways (Example Dota2) The only issue with this PC its Temperature. You can easily reduce the Power Draw by 20% and everything will run less hot on almost same performance. Add a laptop cooler under it and you are golden. You can also Underclock to reduce temperatures. It is unfortunate but you have to manage the heat on this device but YOU WILL LEARN A LOT doing so. 😅 Its a beautifull PC that was not ment for gaming. Very sensitive to room temperature also ( Thinking of making a chamber for it to control humidity and temperature. or adding extra meat in the form of heatsinks)
I use it as my main comp since i bought one during COVID lockdown in France. 420€, exact same specs as this one. Using it to play Lord of the Rings Online on windows and Garage Band on mac. Very cool ! I was looking for a mac that can play my fav game and have Garage Band to mess with musician friend. Tried an old 2009 MacBook and 2011 imac but the performances on both of this was really poor. This Mac pro gives me complete satisfaction. The only disappointment is the price of the d700 in order to upgrade mine... (sorry for my English)
Sup ETA.. are you going to do a review on the razor edge?, I think it's something new that razor released. Comes with some sort of clip on controller. Looking forward to your review on it. We love those hard facts about devices we probably wont own 😂
0:30 I believe the base configuration system was priced at $3000. High end configurations could be priced as much as $8000 or even $10k when these launched.
The PC is still light years better than what I have. Amazing you can get it refurbished for 400. Those newer games that don't work a tall support planned obsolescence.
I just grabbed one of these.. lol!! I’m using your awesome vid as a point of reference for running emulators and some windows 10 gaming .. I’ll leave it alone for a little bit as far as upgrading .. the temps seem to be a real issue for these machines ..
$3K hahaha I paid $10K when that came out for my configuration. That machine had some benefits, especially when it came to the number of monitors I could spit out for an event using dual-link DisplayPort. But expect for that benefit, we replaced these internally quickly.
To be fair these things were never planned to be used for gaming even back in 2013 when they came out they were mostly used by Studios to make Movies / Pictures / Ads, and stuff like that..
Great video ETA, the only other suggestion I have is to include Destiny 2 in the benchmarking. It's not a super demanding game but it does look very nice, and I'd love to know how it runs on stuff like this.
Used Apple products in my country are generally not worth it in my country (Pakistan). A high-end Macbook pro-2017 literally costs more than maxed out i9 T2000 Dell Precision laptop. Why was it so expensive? I found the answer when My teacher's old Macbook Pro was Wowed by my classmates while no one even notices when another teacher bought a newer laptop that was better in every way.
i have the six core processor with 64 gig of ram and 1terabyte ssd, i installed windows 10 bootcamp and the driver for the amd graphics card which are D700 6gig each. i run ro many games on this and i learned that there is a setting called amd image boost in the driver panel which allows you to have higher resolutions and megaherz on your monitor. make sure that setting is on cause its off by default.
You ca install Windows 11 inside, just creat an USB Key windows 11 installer, and upgrade windows 10 with CMD :command : setup /product server . It work perfectly without probleme :-)))
In fact the firepro where only just ordinary radeon and not pro cards, sold as 6GB Vram it was not the case as 2x3gb Vram is still 3GB as you have 2 separate CPU. Crossfire was working on windows 8 (the windows of the time) and not under Mac OS. having 2 cards brings nothing but heat. Added to a outsanding price it has no real advantages, adding its quite low reliability and heat dissipation problem, a recuring problem on mac it was really a failure.
I always wanted this computer. I finally got one last week I gave $300 off Facebook. its in great condition no chips or nicks scratches I install windows 11 its so awesome such a cool lookin masterpiece sure my gaming pc is better but non gaming I don't notice any difference
My mate has one of these. One day I walked ion on him owner trying to run Planet Coaster on it, it was a slideshow. So I donated my old 3rd gen i7 to him that had a 1050 TI. it runs it far better lol. So much for those dual custom Firepro's eh. he paid £4000 for it.
dam i have one of them on my deck. its the top spec with 1tb SSD and 128gb ram ever since i got my m1 MacBook pro 16"" i have not used it i may have to try put windows on it
You went through the video mentioning dual GPU's when only one was ever used. 0% of first GPU. Glad you realize that. I don't think any drivers would help as the drivers don't make games support CrossFireX/SLI. It especially doesn't help with low 800MHz, as the second one doesn't work full speed, and just 3GB VRAM. Again, the second card doesn't exactly "add-on" another full card. It just increases SOME performance (very selective and often useless). That's why CrossFireX and SLI don't sell now.
The FirePro D500 hardware has support for at least Vulkan 1.1.101. I don't know if there are any drivers for Windows that would enable this. However, in Linux you can use a kernel parameter to get this to use the amdgpu driver and enable Vulkan. These machines will perform better in some (generally older) games with Windows and Crossfire enabled. For other things, you are better off with Linux with Vulkan enabled to get the most out of the hardware, though Crossfire will not work. For emulation, where this will shine the brightest (especially if the CPU is upgraded), you are better off with Linux. Also, some games that just won't work in Windows will in Linux, though not necessarily well enough to play.
I always wanted to 3d print a set of R2D2 legs for one of these, I'm glad that I'm not the only one that sees an astromech when looking at these Mac Pros.
Another great video! I really appreciate how you keep finding unique hardware to test. Since you asked, you can skip making another video about the enhanced cpu version of the mac pro. I looks like the gpu/compatibility are the bottleneck.
The GPUs were always the weak point of these trash can macs. They overheated and were underpowered for the intended use. No easy upgrade path meant the machines became obsolete quite fast. And after 2016 or so the CPUs became more powerful and i7's would beat the Mac Pro. I used to own a 2008 Mac Pro, it was a great machine, actually still is with enough ram and a GPU upgrade. But in 2013 I opted to build a hackintosh, because it made more sense and Apple still supported NVidia graphics with their OS.
Whut? You are desecrating the most sacred urn of the Omnissiah Steve Jobs to run Windows 10!?!? Truly the ultimate Tech-Heresy!!! Give youself up to the Tech-Priest Inquisitors of the Genius Bar now!!! You hear the tortured whirring coming from inside? Those are the tormented ashes of Jobs spinning in this holy relic!!! Can you bring up Microsoft Bob up on it next?
Hey there, thanks for the vid!!! I'm really into going to do the same purchase, but I don't know if you tried or are you going to, do you think would be a decent machine to run ComfyUI?
Man I wanted one of those when they were initially released - but looking at the value loss over the years is just astounding. xD As for Vulkan: Considering AMD is very open about their drivers, are you sure they couldn't have added it, at least the Linux version? That said, I saw the dual ethernet and my brain went "overkill NAS durrrr". What is the power consumption on this thing? o.o
Apple really made sure to gimp the GPU- upgradeability with this design didn't they.... If they had gone for a more standard internal design with a PCIe port this model could have been a good budget gaming PC today. The CPU's that can go into these are still pretty good. But then again, it IS Apple.
I install windows 10 and bootcamp for amd firepro d500 , and install ea app , but when runing fifa 24 , the system stop and restart , this mac cant run fifa 24, and i have 1tb ssd and 128g of ram
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Would love to see Steam OS on this. I mean it kind of looks like one of those early 2000s concept console designs, so a console-like OS would be quite fitting.
That's funny, that's what led me to this video. Wondering if ChimeraOS can run on these since they used Radeon graphics. Still one of my favorite Apple designs.
I turned mine into a headless server using Docker and it's running three different tools 24/7 with no noise and pretty low power.
Did the same to mine
I remember seeing one of these in the corner of an office and the way it was positioned it actually looked just like a bin. So much so that one of the people coming to a meeting threw his polystyrene coffee cup into it. The cup was not empty!
Just proves the Idiocracy movie which in fact is a documentary
Bought one of these a few months ago, 64GB RAM & 12-core Xeon, for $189 on eBay - been my main workhorse system since and as an ollama server host I can access from anywhere via phone. Rock solid performance, never makes a sound, excellent audio drivers for low latency FL Studio use.
I'd love for you to try and game on other mac computers like this, like the mac pro 4,1 and 5,1, retina display macs from 2012 with an igpu, and maybe even use linux on them as well
It's fun tinkering with old Macs to see what kind of performance you can get. I bought a 2012 Mac Mini with 16GB of RAM and a 516GB SSD and was surprised at how well it ran whatever I threw at it.
Used one of these for years at a professional post house. Not the fastest but super stable. Had the D700’s. I still have one and use it for encoding super low priority stuff. Just set the encodes and let it go. Not fast by any means but quiet. And if your like me and have a lot of older legacy thunderbolt raid arrays and capture cards in nice to have those ports.
I can picture my kids using this as an actual trashcan.
😂
I've literally got one as a trashcan in my office. I ended up needing two outer shells for my m1 mac mini -> mac pro mod and wound up turning the scratched up shell into my new office trashcan. It's far from the world's most expensive trashcan but it IS the world's most expensive trashcan in terms of research and development.
😹😹😹😹
Now I really want to use this as my trash can when I grow up. Hopefully, it's not super hard to find (or too expensive) by that time
Lmao consider how lag playing games at 720p might as well use it as trashcan😂😂
My brother got one of these and used it for two years before replacing it with a notebook that was twice the specs for a lot less. They do look really cool but man they were pricy. I kinda wish they would make a trashcan mac mini, it does look really cool but the new apple chips don't need what this was designed for, cooling.
If you want a good intel mac the best overall was the imac pro with vega 64 or 64x. The 10 core model specifically as it maintains boost clock without thermal throttle, 4ghz on all 10 cores in windows. It still works great in OS X and RPCS3, Switch emu, all of it works perfectly upscaled to 1440P or more.
How did you get rpcs3 and switch. I also have a Mac Pro 2013 with similar specs
Bootcamp - I did say windows@@Bman2180
Use custom GPU drivers that may fix the issues you’re having
Those from BootCampDrivers work very well on my macbook pro. Should add Dx12 and Vulkan support as well on the D500. Amernime drivers could work too, although they've been somewhat glitchy for me
i waited for this longer than u can imagine
I have one with a 150w Xeon E5 2687W V2 (8 cores but higher clock speed turbo sustained) and it works very well. I use mac os Mojave 10.14.6 I use it to maintain compatibility with some older mac apps. It's 64gb ram and 2tb OWC Aura Pro X2. I works fully with full icloud support. It's the ideal bridge machine between older and newer machines. The M2 pro mac mini would destroy it very much but it can not run Mojave. I wonder if the D700 is much of a difference ? the Mac Pro 2013 trashcan is a collector machine in my mind. Maintenance requires re-paste of the CPU every 5 years.
Replacing the thermal paste is pretty much a requirement on any system is a necessary / beneficial maintenance item over time.
I usually find experimenting with old hardware kind of fun especially when it was something I noticed but couldn't afford back in the day. With Apple hardware I'm still left a little blah because of an experience I had when I went to an Apple store to buy a high-end workstation for video editing and the Apple Dude wouldn't let me practice edit some raw high-def video from a DVD I brought in. He said, "It wouldn't be a fair test of the computer" and couldn't let me evaluate whether I should spend a lot more for a Mac or just build a PC. Thanks for steering me away from that cult I say now!
That's so totally opposite of companies like Sun, SGI and DEC. They had demo systems and really liked to show off what they could do, though you did generally have to sign an NDA to play with them.
@@destructodisk9074 - Not in this case, he just didn't want to expose how badly the Mac would perform while encoding a large file.
@@destructodisk9074 - I haven't been to every computer store in the world so I can't speak to that statistic. In this case there wasn't a virus or malware concern and it was quite a while ago before that policy was wide spread.
Do you know how many computer stores reload a fresh OS image every night?
@@destructodisk9074 - Thanks for your expert opinion. I've only done IT work for the Microsoft store and worked at a big computer store. You are the champion!
@@destructodisk9074 - I hate to inflame your mental issues anymore but you are taking this way too seriously.
Hi! It would be nice to have power consumption comparison with hardware like this Mac. Energy consumption should be a factor when purchasing old hardware because that cost can creep up on you eventually.
I would be interested in using one of these as a pfsense firewall or as a plain media server since it has dual gigabit ports, and cheap parts like DDR3.
Just get a n5105 mini pc. Less than 200$ and you also get dual nics.
Yeah! Total overkill for a pfSense router.
Oh I know its not a good value but 400 usd is such a tempting price for such a cool design, I remember how much I lusted after these when they came out, on the other hand I could get an M2 mac mini for 500 and get so much more power
Cool video I always like seeing old tech reviews because it shows that just because its old doesn't mean its no good anymore.
Only applies to food. You don't need new products but you will always need new produce.
I just realized it has thunderbolt 2 ports!! It's eGPU time!
Expensive than machine alone
Funnily enough I just dropped the 12 core into my Trashmac Pro today, it’s noticeably better for the workloads I use it for (photo and video work) but the lower clocks mean it’s probably worse for emulation and games.
That said, the only benchmark I bothered to do to compare was Novabench, which showed a decent increase in both cpu and gpu performance, which makes little sense to me, unless however it measures gpu was bottlenecks by the cpu which would be a silly way to do things.
It’s also a pain in the neck to do, so probably not recommended for the usual ETA Prime use cases.
Ive always admired the cooling design on this machine. center heatsink can cool a 12 core cpu and 2 gpus with only 1 fan running near silent
the cooling on the trashcan is ass. what're you talking about lol
@@linuxes9681 it can keep a 12 core workload in the 70 C range while silent and in a small form factor. im by no means an apple fanatic I just admire the engineering behind this machine. regardless not sure why your getting so hostile over whether or not a 10 year old computer is any good
@@rileyhance318 Yea but i recall hearing them overheat. especially with more powerful GPU's. Also because of the form factor you were limited to the GPUs you could use. I kinda want one though just because of the uniqueness
@@linuxes9681 definitely not a practical design for professional workflows nor did crossfire hold up. I just find the center darth vader heatsink with only 1 fan cooling the whole thing interesting
You should look at the E5-2687W V2 instead of the 12 core. It is a 8 core but with dramatically higher clocks. Craft computing just did a video on comparing the older cpus.
I read that the higher clock 8 core Xeon CPUs might draw too much power for these systems. They are rated for 130 Watt processors and maybe the higher clocked 8 cores need 150 Watts.
Mac Pro trashcan with AMD graphics was a good gaming machine, back in the day.
Today, Mac Studio or Mac Pro with M2 processor are terrible for gaming! And today, it is impossible to
use an AMD or NVidia graphics card on a Mac with M2 Ultra.
Mac Studio: over $5000 USD
Mac Pro: over $8000 USD
Both machines are dead-end, no upgrades. Disposable computers.
Literal waste of money
I would loooooove to see Batocera running on this thing. That would be wild!
I also referred to it as a propane tank.
Ngl i might actually buy this pc to switch it up cuz my dell alienware aurora r6 legit just died on me so i wanna switch it up perhaps try a solid pc that can run MacOS and windows and i am quite impressed that it can run god of war
I remember when these came out I wanted one so bad had specs I wanted would cost almost 26k with the max specs on everything monitors graphics cards it was a dream I’m glad never came true hard to believe how many programs I use for game development doesn’t run very well on Mac.
Mac Pro 5,1 would be a better choice due to modularity. Fully upgraded those + swap Nvidia graphics card with AMD RX 580 or RX 5700 XT (also need to install modded driver for Mac OS) + triple boot OS (Mac OS + Windows 10 + Linux such as HoloISO) and bang, ultimate Mac Pro to last.
I think you could use an egpu on the Mac if I'm not mistaken.
Technically possible! The trash can has Thunderbolt 2 ports, so you can use the official Apple Thunderbolt 2 to 3 adapter to connect an eGPU. It really just comes down to driver support
Ngl i never thought id see this mac pro on this channel
My trashcan 2013 64Gb 12core D500 512Gb it is pretty much unsupported so I changed the ssd for a 1TB and installed windows 11 pro not and bootcamp I had some problems with graphics drivers for the d500 but it is now sorted :)
My kids now have their own trashcan and they like it quite well with windows! perfect little gaming console!
Just to clarify. Best driver for this is Custom Bootcamp Radeon Adredaline 19.11 ( Vulkan / Directx11 / Open GL )
And the D700 6gbx2 Runs very solid on Crossfire. You gotta check the list of games that support crossfire to beguin with AND there are Custom Crossfire Profiles that include titles that are not optimized to run on dual gpu but it makes them run anyways (Example Dota2) The only issue with this PC its Temperature. You can easily reduce the Power Draw by 20% and everything will run less hot on almost same performance. Add a laptop cooler under it and you are golden. You can also Underclock to reduce temperatures. It is unfortunate but you have to manage the heat on this device but YOU WILL LEARN A LOT doing so. 😅 Its a beautifull PC that was not ment for gaming.
Very sensitive to room temperature also ( Thinking of making a chamber for it to control humidity and temperature. or adding extra meat in the form of heatsinks)
we still have these macs in some computer labs in my uni!
I use it as my main comp since i bought one during COVID lockdown in France.
420€, exact same specs as this one. Using it to play Lord of the Rings Online on windows and Garage Band on mac. Very cool !
I was looking for a mac that can play my fav game and have Garage Band to mess with musician friend. Tried an old 2009 MacBook and 2011 imac but the performances on both of this was really poor.
This Mac pro gives me complete satisfaction.
The only disappointment is the price of the d700 in order to upgrade mine...
(sorry for my English)
Sup ETA.. are you going to do a review on the razor edge?, I think it's something new that razor released. Comes with some sort of clip on controller. Looking forward to your review on it. We love those hard facts about devices we probably wont own 😂
I wish the 2019 Mac Pro wasn’t so expensive… and the 2013… and the 2009… why can’t Macs be a little cheaper 😭
0:30 I believe the base configuration system was priced at $3000. High end configurations could be priced as much as $8000 or even $10k when these launched.
The PC is still light years better than what I have. Amazing you can get it refurbished for 400. Those newer games that don't work a tall support planned obsolescence.
2:52 haha nice loved it
In Portugal they are being sold in second hand between 1200 and 1500€...
maybe this inspired microsoft for the look of the series x and the vertical cooling
You can get windows 11 on it. There's a simple script you can run to bypass the requirements check
I just grabbed one of these.. lol!! I’m using your awesome vid as a point of reference for running emulators and some windows 10 gaming .. I’ll leave it alone for a little bit as far as upgrading .. the temps seem to be a real issue for these machines ..
$3K hahaha I paid $10K when that came out for my configuration. That machine had some benefits, especially when it came to the number of monitors I could spit out for an event using dual-link DisplayPort. But expect for that benefit, we replaced these internally quickly.
D500 is GCN 1 so NimeZ drivers should work on it
To be fair these things were never planned to be used for gaming even back in 2013 when they came out they were mostly used by Studios to make Movies / Pictures / Ads, and stuff like that..
You can build a very good PC for 500 dollars, that will outperform the trash can
Of course, but that's not the point
Obviously
Great video ETA, the only other suggestion I have is to include Destiny 2 in the benchmarking. It's not a super demanding game but it does look very nice, and I'd love to know how it runs on stuff like this.
Used Apple products in my country are generally not worth it in my country (Pakistan). A high-end Macbook pro-2017 literally costs more than maxed out i9 T2000 Dell Precision laptop. Why was it so expensive? I found the answer when My teacher's old Macbook Pro was Wowed by my classmates while no one even notices when another teacher bought a newer laptop that was better in every way.
i have the six core processor with 64 gig of ram and 1terabyte ssd, i installed windows 10 bootcamp and the driver for the amd graphics card which are D700 6gig each. i run ro many games on this and i learned that there is a setting called amd image boost in the driver panel which allows you to have higher resolutions and megaherz on your monitor. make sure that setting is on cause its off by default.
You ca install Windows 11 inside, just creat an USB Key windows 11 installer, and upgrade windows 10 with CMD :command : setup /product server . It work perfectly without probleme :-)))
I have one of these sitting around. Didn’t think of emulation
That’s a good price I sold a similar speced pc i7-6800k with 32gb yet without gpu or storage for like 500usd half a year ago
In fact the firepro where only just ordinary radeon and not pro cards, sold as 6GB Vram it was not the case as 2x3gb Vram is still 3GB as you have 2 separate CPU. Crossfire was working on windows 8 (the windows of the time) and not under Mac OS. having 2 cards brings nothing but heat. Added to a outsanding price it has no real advantages, adding its quite low reliability and heat dissipation problem, a recuring problem on mac it was really a failure.
Hey ETA, can you do an extensive emulation test with the Red Magic 8 pro?
Yes I can, I’ll have a video up this week
@@ETAPRIME That's great news. Thank you very much. Love your videos.
Got the red magic holy moly what a phone
Can you do a video on how you change the settings you applied to play these games?
I always wanted this computer. I finally got one last week I gave $300 off Facebook. its in great condition no chips or nicks scratches I install windows 11 its so awesome such a cool lookin masterpiece sure my gaming pc is better but non gaming I don't notice any difference
how does emulation run on it if I might ask and can u give me any tutorials on how I can do this myself?
My mate has one of these. One day I walked ion on him owner trying to run Planet Coaster on it, it was a slideshow. So I donated my old 3rd gen i7 to him that had a 1050 TI. it runs it far better lol. So much for those dual custom Firepro's eh. he paid £4000 for it.
ooo Mac OSX trashcan with Modan seam (proton) would be interesting 🙂
I have one, shame it can’t be upgraded to Ventura. May load windows 11 on it again.
dam i have one of them on my deck. its the top spec with 1tb SSD and 128gb ram ever since i got my m1 MacBook pro 16"" i have not used it i may have to try put windows on it
You went through the video mentioning dual GPU's when only one was ever used. 0% of first GPU. Glad you realize that. I don't think any drivers would help as the drivers don't make games support CrossFireX/SLI. It especially doesn't help with low 800MHz, as the second one doesn't work full speed, and just 3GB VRAM. Again, the second card doesn't exactly "add-on" another full card. It just increases SOME performance (very selective and often useless). That's why CrossFireX and SLI don't sell now.
Pretty cool piece of tech!! Thanks man
You should try mac os, show what is possible.
HUGE interrests in running the games on a mac :D
@ETA PRIME Great video mate!. Would you be kind enough to make a video about how you install Windows 10 on this Mac Pro please?
The FirePro D500 hardware has support for at least Vulkan 1.1.101. I don't know if there are any drivers for Windows that would enable this. However, in Linux you can use a kernel parameter to get this to use the amdgpu driver and enable Vulkan.
These machines will perform better in some (generally older) games with Windows and Crossfire enabled. For other things, you are better off with Linux with Vulkan enabled to get the most out of the hardware, though Crossfire will not work. For emulation, where this will shine the brightest (especially if the CPU is upgraded), you are better off with Linux. Also, some games that just won't work in Windows will in Linux, though not necessarily well enough to play.
Try steam os or Linux gaming on it could be the idea
Would be nice to see an R2D2 skin on it
I always wanted to 3d print a set of R2D2 legs for one of these, I'm glad that I'm not the only one that sees an astromech when looking at these Mac Pros.
I would like to see an EGPU with it (you can use your tb3 enclosure with an apple tb2 -> tb3 adapter and a tb2 cable).
Not practical, but still.
I’d really like to see a direct comparison between this trash can Mac vs the new M2 Apple mac mini.
The M2 destroys these old Xeon processors. It's a cool computer but a decade old Xeon is no match compared to Apple's new cpus.
I wonder how well chimera would run.
hey buddy, i'd like to see a video on you upgrading this... i still want a trash can mac :)
So the performance is on par with the steam deck 10 years later?
Can you test with the Mac Pro 5,1? It's older but with RX580 GPU I think it can do better than the trashcans.
Hello eta , I would love to see you use the rtx a2000 on the minisforum b5000 and see if it can work without a PSU , thanks ❤
Another great video! I really appreciate how you keep finding unique hardware to test. Since you asked, you can skip making another video about the enhanced cpu version of the mac pro. I looks like the gpu/compatibility are the bottleneck.
Since these are Radeon graphic cards, could you run steam OS on it?
The GPUs were always the weak point of these trash can macs. They overheated and were underpowered for the intended use. No easy upgrade path meant the machines became obsolete quite fast. And after 2016 or so the CPUs became more powerful and i7's would beat the Mac Pro. I used to own a 2008 Mac Pro, it was a great machine, actually still is with enough ram and a GPU upgrade. But in 2013 I opted to build a hackintosh, because it made more sense and Apple still supported NVidia graphics with their OS.
test it with an egpu, that could increase the performance
The 10 core was better than the 12 core version. If you wanna upgrade, I would consider that
It sort of looks like an air purifier.
I wonder how Steam OS would work.
Whut? You are desecrating the most sacred urn of the Omnissiah Steve Jobs to run Windows 10!?!? Truly the ultimate Tech-Heresy!!! Give youself up to the Tech-Priest Inquisitors of the Genius Bar now!!! You hear the tortured whirring coming from inside? Those are the tormented ashes of Jobs spinning in this holy relic!!!
Can you bring up Microsoft Bob up on it next?
Would you mind testing running 2 xemu emulators at the same time for Halo 1 and or 2?
Even a trash can is more powerful than my pc
Hey there, thanks for the vid!!! I'm really into going to do the same purchase, but I don't know if you tried or are you going to, do you think would be a decent machine to run ComfyUI?
Crazy how technology can’t even last you 10 years anymore… like that thing is a paperweight now and probably robbed someone out of 4k dollars.
Man I wanted one of those when they were initially released - but looking at the value loss over the years is just astounding. xD
As for Vulkan: Considering AMD is very open about their drivers, are you sure they couldn't have added it, at least the Linux version?
That said, I saw the dual ethernet and my brain went "overkill NAS durrrr". What is the power consumption on this thing? o.o
I got one of these as a special case computer just for emulation. Why? Because I always wanted one, I could never afford in the past. Durp Durp.
Apple really made sure to gimp the GPU- upgradeability with this design didn't they....
If they had gone for a more standard internal design with a PCIe port this model could have been a good budget gaming PC today. The CPU's that can go into these are still pretty good.
But then again, it IS Apple.
D700 model will run cyberpunk in boot camp at 720. Not great but better than the top apple silicon option.
Try downgrading Witcher 3 in Steam the newer versions perform terribly on lower-end systems
It's not a trash can. It's an ashtray.
Would one of these be useful for a low-rate server box?
I install windows 10 and bootcamp for amd firepro d500 , and install ea app , but when runing fifa 24 , the system stop and restart , this mac cant run fifa 24, and i have 1tb ssd and 128g of ram
1:10 what’s the USB bootable OS mention here? I can’t make it out and neither can the closed captions…
D500s are GCN 1.0. NimeZ doesn't have any drivers for this? Weird.
Hello eta prime
Is there anyway to install emulators on ipados!?
Can you teach us
399 for this? I mean, It is like purchasing chassis for 359