The black screen is because the login screen might be running under Wayland. Nvidia still has bad Wayland support, but that's gonna get better in driver 555.
yea, was gonna say that. wayland actually runs on my 980 now but still has quite a few issues. plus there's a slight delay with input (im very sensitive with input latency), unfortunate as an amd laptop i have runs SO much better on wayland. i could actually play tf2 with above 50fps on a crappy amd a6 mobile processor.
It's not wayland probably. I got curious and looked it up. It's weirdly enough the SSD. It's a race condition between the graphics driver and the graphics stack being initialised. If the graphics stack initialises too quickly before the driver is loaded it doesn't display. Atleast according to what I read. I personally run wayland on nvidia and never had this issue. That doesn't have to mean anything but idk instinctively I wouldn't have pinned on wayland so quickly
The black screen is because it's Linux. With every update you'll get new features as well as a couple simple things that worked perfectly fine but are just all of a sudden broken for no particular reason 😂😂😂 (that's a joke for those who don't understand the concept of sarcasm)
Maybe, but I have a couple of Linux machines with Nvidia cards running Ubuntu w/ Wayland and the crappy Nvidia proprietary driver, and none of them have this problem.
Wish I didn't live in an area where everything thinks their obsolete 2000s Mac computers were made with and filled with gold. $100 for that is a mind boggling amazing deal.
Keep an eye out for bargains - I picked up a 5,1 Mac Pro with an official 512GB Apple SSD, dual 5770s, 64 gigs of Apple RAM, and 2x6 core Xeons for... I forget, $2xx CAD last year which I thought was a great deal. (Now I just wish I could upgrade the video card, but one of my goals was to be able to dual boot Snow Leopard...)
I got lucky a few months ago and and I managed to snag an 8core 2,1 and a 12 core 5,1 for 2$25 each because the guy upgraded his audio studio. The only thing that stunk was he kept all the hdd caddy’s
I love that you try to keep older computers running. I used to do the same thing back in the day. E-waste has become such a big problem and here you are, one computer at a time, keeping it out of landfills. I absolutely love watching your videos and the shenanigans that you get into with older technologies.
It's surprising sometimes what people throw out without doing some basic maintenance or troubleshooting, or with some simple upgrades make them perfectly capable for lighter games & webbrowsing pc's. My almost completely free test rig for example is this. A x299 sli plus motherboard + an I9 7920x from the electronics waste container that we swing by almost daily at the recycling center. Corsair AX1600i 1600w powersupply with no modular cables and no power cable, this was like 120$ in Sweden for the full kit but well worth it, like this is when bought new over 600$ here. Only damage on the powersupply besides some scratches & a bit bent up fan grille, was whoever owned this mixed up modular powersupply cables. Or hooked them up too the wrong place as there's two plugs for hooking up the sata or molex cables that have slightly melted & gotten discolored slightly (There's 4 more plugs too hook up those if needed.) (Bought those & a fat cpu cooler the Thermalright peerless assassin for the I9 cpu & it's been great as a test rig.) While it's a few years old being from late 2017 it's no slouch with 12 cores, 24 threads & if all can be utilized fully, it's on par with my Ryzen 5600 & beats the 5600x in several benchmarks too. Ofc there's spotty periods from time too time with nothing interesting at all some weeks from the container where I've only grabbed like a socket 775 processor or smaller cpu cooler that fits amd but I've had some nice finds too either collect or mess around with for sure. I also have a fully working PS4 that besides being dusty & needing an os reinstall which took all of 20 minutes maybe with a usb drive, took it apart & swapped thermalpaste on it & just need to put it together fully. Several graphics cards that still do ok for e-sports titles in 1080p. 3x gtx 970's, 750 ti,gts 960, r9 380 4 gb, gtx 660, gtx 570, gtx 780, 3x HD 7990's with missing fans but i can just point 2x 120mm fans at 1500 rpm at any of them too cool one of those down. A mini itx B250 motherboard which initially had a pentium g4600, but i also found an I7 6700 a few weeks earlier in a working z170-p motherboard slapped that in there and im just on the lookout after a good mini itx case now too put together a pc for my dad with the 1660 ti i also got sitting around. Currently also on the lookout after a motherboard that supports intels' 8th gen processors as i have an I5 8400 laying around from a tossed out hp pc i think it was. It had no ram or ssd.
I'm the donor of that VisionTek PSU and when I bought it new from Fry's, I was probably the target market because I didn't know a whole lot about computers and woefully underspeced my PSU and was too lazy to outright replace it so I bought the VisionTek. I've since learned a bit more but I'm so glad to see Sean continuing his shenanigans with that thing. That thing would still be in a drawer taking up space. 😂
@@EhEhEhEINSTEIN I'm not 100% but it was in the $50-60 vs range. It was comparable to a normal PSU but the ease of upgrade is what made it appealing and sold me on trying it.
I work as a tech for 30 years in post production for long format. When a system is working doing its single production task it will often stay in situ for a decade or more. I still maintain many 4,1’s (all upgraded by now with maxed out CPU’s) that are on 24/7 being used 18 hours a day. Hell, just 9 months ago I decommissioned a Blue and White G3 that was the main facility SFX sever, so like 20 yearsish 24/7. Glad your showing people every computer has a use 👍 Cheers
You can run the cables in the far top left corner. Its tight but its possible. One of these is my main machine, heavily upgraded. 96GB of ram, dual X5680 6 cores. It started life the same low spec as this one. I played the outer worlds on it, and hogwarts legacy, jedi survivor.. you name it, it’ll run.
Version 555 of the nvidia driver should bring wayland support... which is why you do not have a login screen coming up. You may also be able to somehow get gdm to run under X11.... but being that the "g" in gdm stands for GNOME... that's probably going to be a bit less than worth the trouble.
I got a 2010 Mac Pro Server for absolutely nothing recently, only a single CPU model but even with its stock ATI GPU it runs Monterey fantastically. It even came with an Apple RAID card and drives full of old marketing material. It’s neat!
Classic Mac Pros are sweet. I have a 4,1 flashed to 5,1 as well with dual 5680’s and an RX580 rn, I’d like to throw a Radeon VII in it so I can maintain hardware accel in Sonoma since I mainly use it for Mac OS. They can actually take up to a 6900XT so long as you’re on Monterey. I also need to upgrade to nVME’s and get a new WiFi/bluetooth card. Once you do that they’re very snappy and still can hold their own for their age. Even with just the processors and RX580 it’s impressive how snappy it still feels.
The Mac Pro and all the extreme Macs starting with the II, IIx, IIfx, Quadra 950, Power Mac 9500/9600, shine bright in my computing aspirations even though most of those machines had uses cases that I will never actually need. Having one of these Macs just signaled to myself that I really made it and had the ultimate expression of a Mac. Timeless wonder.
this is the last one I had that feeling for, never even owned a mac and not particularly a fan, but the combination of stunning design and computing prowess really spoke to me
my daily driver main development rig is a 2005 Mac Pro 1,1 i got from a ham radio flea market back in 2012 for $100, it came with a whopping 32GB RAM already installed, I dropped a geforce GTX 980 in it with a pair of 3.0GHZ quad core SLAED model Xeons, and it was playing games like Witcher 3 and Rise of the Tomb Raider at ultra settings smooth as silk, even the Unigine benchmarks ran smoothly. Of course that was back in 2016 or so, but still damn impressive for a machine that was released in 2005. Whoever said macs cant play games never pimped out a 2005 mac pro, not only has it been my primary gaming rig for years but it runs dead silent doing so thanks to Apple's over the top cooling scheme.
I love my 2010 5,1 Mac Pro, which I upgraded with a 3.46 GHz six-core CPU, 48 GB of RAM, an RX 580 graphics card, a 1 TB NVMe SSD, a USB 3 and C combo card, a FireWire 400 card and dual Blu Ray drives. My metalworking neighbor also cut a hole in the access door for a neat window through which to view the RGB-glowing components. :D I also have a 2.4 GHz twelve-core dual-CPU tray with a whopping 96 GB of RAM, but I choose to run the six-core single-core tray. Since I game a lot on my Mac Pro, and most games aren't really designed to use multiple cores, I'd rather have six fast cores than twelve slower cores.
@@PKperformanceEU You're right, of course, and my main computer is an M1 Max Mac Studio that runs rings around the 2010 Mac Pro. But I still love my Mac Pro, and for Photoshop and Mac gaming, it's still extremely capable.
Bravo-I keep my 5,1 with a Mojave drive (for all the older, 32-bit macOS apps) a Batocera drive, and soon to add a Fedora drive as well, all on a single 6-core Xeon and RX580. Looking forward to your future shenanigans, as always!
However; a 2070 ti super in a PC dedicated to encoding video to twitch or TH-cam is also overkill, but it's what he had on hand. If it was me, I'd just put in a Intel ARC A750 for that delicious AV1 encoding 🥰 have it ready to when TH-cam or twitch starts supporting it
these mac pros (specifically the 4,1/5,1) are by far the best computer apple has ever made. i have two that still see regular use, though both sharing a dual 6-core Xeon CPU card and 32GB of ECC DDR3 (i may or may not have broken the other card i had oopsies). one in my music studio and one in my bedroom with an RX480 that my friend uses to play video games with me when we're hanging out. neither of them skip a beat, even running perfectly modern OSs (even windows 11!) and I dont think we'll ever see another machine from apple as beautiful, powerful, AND upgradable as these were. fantastic video!
If you want a free performance upgrade, double check that you're running the RAM in triple channel mode. If you have all the slots populated or populate certain ones, you end up in dual channel mode. I run mine in 96 GB mode, though it could technically do 128 if I populated all slots. I seem to recall that it also defaults the memory to a higher clockspeed if run that way. The extra bandwidth really helps these CPUs on some tasks
My daily driver Mac is a reflashed 4,1. Currently sporting a Radeon HD 5770 for boot support. Theres a Radeon Pro 580X (8GB) waiting to be installed once things are settled, including upgrading the CPUs - delayed because i broke the de-capper.
I just found one of these in the trash today and the case itself has me enticed. Ready to upgrade it as a server pc/data storage pc. Thanks for the video
The login screen issues may be due to Ubuntu 24.04 defaulting to Wayland over X11. I've encountered a similar problem in the past, and switching to X11 resolved it.
So glad you showed this process. I have the Cheesgrater with the AMD card and had to switch it over to Debian. I love it and run multiple Minecraft servers and my Plex server on it but my wife also uses it as a daily driver so giving her some more graphics power would be awesome!
I was such a big fan of these machines. I’d love to gut a broken one and build a pc out of it but it’s likely out of my modding capabilities. Nice video!
Over here in Britain, I checked online for identical Xeon processors to the ones in your 5,1, and they're being sold, used, at more than the price you paid for the whole computer. Nice find!
Used CPUs are crazy expensive. A little while ago I was bidding on a 2015 vintage Core i7, one of the lower models of i7. It got to AUD$100. You can nearly buy a brand new Ryzen with that money, that'll run rings around the old i7. Decided instead to buy a used 2015 i5, which is "only" AUD$50.
I've been working on a 5,1 12-core. I'm running an RX580 in mine and I recently got it running Sonoma. These machines are awesome and beautifully engineered. I had a 1080 TI (actually 2 of them) running in Mojave (I think. I know I used them with El Capitan) with nVidia Web Drivers on my Hackintosh. I don't think nVidia provided drivers beyond that, though. I thought I saw something about non-metal graphics being supported by the latest version of OCLP. . . The information was not pertinent to my situation so I did no further digging. Maybe they have drivers for the 2070?? Anyway, I look forward to more jankiness. . .
It makes me so happy to see this, I have a 5,1 I still use as a workhorse for VM's etc, I'm not sure if the 4,1 supported it, but I managed to squeeze 128gb of ECC memory into it, its hilarious to see 1% memory usage on a cold boot.
As other have pointed out the problem with the blank login screen probably is that GDM runs on Wayland, you can try installing an alternative display manager like LightDM which runs on X. The tearing is also probably Wayland's fault. There are ways to make it work better with Nvidia, but for now it's probably not worth the effort.
I still have & use (as a file server) my 2012 Cheese Grader Mac Pro. I bought it new in 2012, dual 3.46 Xeons, 64GB of RAM, and an RX580 GPU with 8GB of RAM, the machine quietly runs in the corner and works flawlessly. It was and still is an amazing machine, not as fast as my M1 Ultra Studio but fir a 12 year old machine its Awesome!
Those Cinema Displays are great. I own three of them, 2 23" and a 20" and use them for at least 8 hours a day for my work. I can't quite put my finger on why I like them so much...
I had a Mac Pro 4,1 flashed to 5,1 several years ago, and I had a lot of fun doing upgrades on that beast. I'm looking forward to watching your janky upgrades 😁
I have 2010 Mac Pro, choice of a single 3.45 (fastest gaming performance) or a dual 3.06. Open Core dual boot on separate PCIe Nvme 1TB Samsung 970 evos, Pixla mod and a sapphire rx6800 with syncretic flash mod, and a 3602 WiFi blue tooth upgrade, finally a usb 3 PCIe. On world of tanks, I get same frame rates as my AMD 7600X / X670E combo with the rx6800🎉🎉🎉
I did this actually back in the day for Mac GPUs for da Vinci resolve I believe there’s a way to sneak it up through behind where the COM drives are on the front of the machine. If you look closely, I think that’s how I routed mine back in that corner.
If the firmware is updated you can boot from a PCI-e slot NVME card. The Sata ports are Sata 2, so the NVME is noticeably faster. Big Al (as in aluminum) is quite a machine. Beware of programs calling avx2 instructions though, at least some of the old Xeons don't have them.
Since I'm running an even older 2008 Mac Pro 3,1 as my daily driver running Ventura 14.5, this video warms my heart. I do need to retire this guy at some point soon (at least from MacOS) since it's video drivers courtesy of OpenCore Patcher are quite janky. But it's nice to know it can have a future life as a Linux machine.
Great video. I did something similar last year. I love my cheese grater mac, and with a modern graphics card under Win it runs loads of stuff. Great system, and a total bargain
I love me 5,1 MacPro its a multi boot MacOS's Windows, but mostly linux workstation. I upgraded the wifi/bluetooth card, 128mb ram, SSD, 2 x X5690, RX5800. The thing is still a beast on most work loads.
Might be worth checking the firmware on the 2070 super. I had a similar issue with a PC and UEFI firmware not picking the correct video output on boot but works in the OS. Also try a different monitor with native HDMI or DP to rule out the monitor 🙂
I would dare say this is the best Mac ever made. It's still my main machine. I just recently put a Radeon RX 6600 XT in mine. Unfortunately, that GPU limits the OS to Monterey. I had Sonoma running on my RX 580, but it's a fair trade to be able to game in Windows/Linux on the 6600. Still plenty of power to stream with OBS and edit with FCPX on the Mac side.
I’ll be following your progress, I bought a 2012 Mac Pro Xeon x2 for $100. I have a M1 Max MacBook Pro, so I want to make this my dedicated Windows/Linux device. I’ve seen so many work around to get the Mac Pro to acknowledge the graphics card on Windows boots. Seems like Linux is pretty straightforward.
I love my mid-2010 Mac Pro 5,1! Mine has 6 Westmere CPUs, max RAM, and a Sapphire HD 7950 3GB with Metal support. It's such a great computer, and it still feels plenty fast to me. I'd like to add another 6 Westmere CPUs to really max it out, but it's probably not worth it.
I have a few Dell T7500 and T5500s they run dual x5690, and they are fantastic machines. I use them for everything. I also have a Ryzen 5900x which is faster on single core tasks, but is limited to 128GB of RAM and only 20 pci lanes. The T7500s can take up to 384GB of RAM, and have heaps of PCI lanes. You may be able to put a couple Xeon x5690 CPUs in that Mac, that would give you 12 cores if it works. I would love to see that. They use 135 watts each, I don't know if that matters.
Honestly not surprised it's running the games well. I was still using a Quad Core Xeon CPU up until a few years ago, basically equivalent to a mildly souped up Core2 Quad and it was doing just fine with AAA games with a decent GPU installed. We really do have way more CPU power than we need in most cases these days!
I really wanted to upgrade my Intel Mac Pro's graphics card beyond the RX 580 but the weak power supply stopped me from going forward with it. I never knew there was such a thing as a dedicated graphics card power supply solution available. Now I wished I had kept the Mac Pro instead of recycling it. A fun video and amazing how long-lived Apple hardware can be!
I found a mac pro 2009 a year ago and it used to turn on for 5 minutes and it never turned on again. I still have it even tho it's not working because it's a beast if it works
FYI every, single video of yours ive seen is very interesting. Keep it up. Unusual setups are right up my alley. Im not an apple fan but ive always wanted one of these for some alternate OS and hardware experaments. And one of these cases would make a baddass PC mod for a "bad apple" (A Mac with PC components running a PC OS.) I once created a bad apple out of a "Bondai Blue" iMac G4 Case using an generic laptop brick-powered Mini-ITX motherboard with an Integrated AMD A8 quad core, 16GB RAM, 120GB SSD and a Nvidia Quadro running Linux Lite from spare parts for an Ex Girlfriends photo editing hobby using GIMP.
I have a Mac Pro with a Sapphire RX 5700xt running windows 10 and it can play cyberpunk 2077 at 2k res on high settings. I’ve placed a standard 500w psu where the disc drive was and run the cables through the hole where the apple psu cables run (after some trimming). One my fav machines although it needs a lot fiddling around to get windows and some games to work as they should ( or even install windows, which took me 2 days)
You coulda saved a few bucks and just spliced new 8pin connectors into the PSU directly. There's a mod online (pixlas mod). Those 5.25 bay PSUs are unobtainium.
I've had my 2009 Mac Pro for years and am still using it, and given that there's likely at least another year of Intel macOS updates waiting, I plan to run it until I can't anymore
10:18 “Random screws I had lying around” …There are four silver screws in a line there for the second bay. You didn’t need randos. I guess it’s more jank though.
You can go ahead in time a few years to around Sandy/Ivybridge era and find a lot of insanely good machines for all kinds of tasks. The hard truth is that during the 2010s when Intel didn't really have any competition (bulldozer wasn't really competing much with AMD) they didn't really make any big/massive improvements for like 10 years aside from top end if you really push it. I have a jank dual socket X99 aliexpress board with some used Xeon E5-1650 v3's with 32gb of ram, and it works great, surprisingly (with fire extinguisher nearby just in case). For a weird for fun project, I actually enjoy using it for the fun of it alongside my old Ryzen 2600 build that has become my budget test bench. Performance isn't half bad even today, but you could probably scrape together something like a 12600KF i5 build when parts are on sale if you're patient and that together with an RX580 8GB you can get decent 1080p60 performance, especially with the supported upscaling. That's what my Ryzen was running until I transplanted it to the dual socket setup. If Intel ever releases battlemage for a decent price, I'm grabbing one of those and probably moving my 6800XT to the Dual Socket or Ryzen machine. I had an Arc 770 as my budget card with my RX580 8GB, but gave it to a friend that needed a card for photo editing, and it handles it great with current drivers. TBH, you can pick up loaded office workstations from around Ivy-Bridge to Haswell and maybe a bit later on these days with higher spec i7's for dirt cheap in lot sales or auctions. There's generally space enough for a card like this 2070 Super and enough power to handle it along with enough capacity for 16gb or 32gb of ram to make budget monsters relatively speaking. For kids or people that can't afford a more traditional build (or people like me that enjoy doing them for fun...my tinypc/thin client stash is ever-growing) it's a great option.
mine has a humble AMD RX580, no PSU mods, running windows 10 and it plays my Forza horizon 5 and Assetto Corsa just fine, i even play some Cyberpunk 2077 ever so often and it works decent.
The login screen issue can be fixed by going into your login screen settings and setting it back and forth to new themes and applying them usually, as the issue is typically the machine trying to initialize the original drivers until it updates. I also highly recommend getting the Nvidia 560 drivers.
I have one of those 30 “ Apple Cinema displays. I used to connect it to my 2013 iMac and 2015 MacBook Pro, but I have sold both this year, so may have to buy some adapters at some point.
My main computer is still a MacPro maxed out with Xeon X5675 and a good graphics cards: runs smoothly even with Mojave. The only problem is represented by the updates of the OS, certificates and browsers: otherwise a terrific machine!
I completely agree with what you said about "why buying new tech". There's no such thing as "dead tech" or "old tech". I know that Pentiums III and IV can be a pain to work now, but machines with 15 y.o. like the one you showed here, can be absolutely refitted and upgraded. i.e. I'm using a Lenovo E531 laptop from 2011 (I think). It came with a 3rd Gen i3 CPU and 8GB of RAM, but being a quirky g33k, I slapped it with a 3rd Gen i7 CPU, 16GB DDR3, a M.2 2242 240GB SSD card with Linux Mint and a 256GB SSD for storage. And it's working until now. Not to mention my Lenovo ThinkCentre from 2016 with FreeBSD as my daily driver. Instead of buying new stuff, people should squeeze as much as one can from old devices, instead of buying new stuff that becomes obsolete from year to year. Anyway... Great video as always, dude!
I tell people this all the time. Going from a computer in 2024 to one from 2014 is a much smaller jump than say, going from one in 2014 to one from 2004. Ten year jump either way, but moving multicore definitely helped longevity. I consider the cutoff to be around the Core 2 Quad for what we would consider a "fluid" experience under a non-lite OS.I still daily a 2012 MacBook Pro and 2012 5,1. Still very good machines in every other way than power consumption 😂 The difference will only get smaller as time goes on since flash storage eliminated the last of the great bottlenecks and picked the the last of the low hanging fruit for easy performance gains
You have the best thumbnails. How do you make that expression on your face? It's like you're kinda impressed but disappointed at the same time yet you're letting us know that you know exactly what you're doing?
Honestly always amazed how well a pc can run when it has an older cpu with a modern gpu. For a long time I used a 2nd gen i7 with a 1060, and it was great as long as I wasn't trying to run a cpu intensive game. Honestly had less trouble with that pc than when I upgraded to a 10th gen i5 lol.
Oh hell yeah! I have this same model Mac Pro and I tried to upgrade the graphics card way beyond what the firmware supports, but I got scared off potentially bricking the mobo or the card. This was like 3 years ago and I was trying to get a spare GTX 1060 from a PC he had that was shot. Seeing how this video goes, maybe I'll see about giving it another go.
Hi I use a Sapphire PULSE RX 5700 XT 8G in my dual cpu MacPro4,1 , the graphics card is rated at a max 241w and is only connected to the Aux power headers. The Aux headers will cut out at 10A 120w and can be used stably at 8A 96w per header. Main thing is even if your gps has two 12v ATX inputs most guys will draw more power from one header compared to the other. So I use a Y-Y cable setup to join the two 6 pin aux headers together to a single 8pin then back out to two 8-pins connectors No need for Pixas mod or an additional PSU. More than enough power head room on the stock psu
You can install OpenCore and get to the latest Mac OS Sonoma, use some high end Vega series video card, Navi cards require AVX to run their drivers, therefore it won’t work with newer Radeon cards, yettt.
I too have a 4,1 upgraded to a 5,1. If you’re going to do the upgrade to a Westmere with integrated heat spreader (rather than the custom heat spreader-less Nehalems that Apple shipped them with), then be careful as I murdered one of the two CPU sockets (and by extension half of its RAM slots) doing that.
The black screen is because the login screen might be running under Wayland. Nvidia still has bad Wayland support, but that's gonna get better in driver 555.
yea, was gonna say that. wayland actually runs on my 980 now but still has quite a few issues. plus there's a slight delay with input (im very sensitive with input latency), unfortunate as an amd laptop i have runs SO much better on wayland. i could actually play tf2 with above 50fps on a crappy amd a6 mobile processor.
Sometimes a reinstall of gdm does the trick. Switching from gdm to lightdm should solve it definitely.
It's not wayland probably. I got curious and looked it up. It's weirdly enough the SSD. It's a race condition between the graphics driver and the graphics stack being initialised. If the graphics stack initialises too quickly before the driver is loaded it doesn't display. Atleast according to what I read.
I personally run wayland on nvidia and never had this issue. That doesn't have to mean anything but idk instinctively I wouldn't have pinned on wayland so quickly
The black screen is because it's Linux. With every update you'll get new features as well as a couple simple things that worked perfectly fine but are just all of a sudden broken for no particular reason 😂😂😂 (that's a joke for those who don't understand the concept of sarcasm)
Maybe, but I have a couple of Linux machines with Nvidia cards running Ubuntu w/ Wayland and the crappy Nvidia proprietary driver, and none of them have this problem.
Wish I didn't live in an area where everything thinks their obsolete 2000s Mac computers were made with and filled with gold. $100 for that is a mind boggling amazing deal.
and then it exploded😭
Keep an eye out for bargains - I picked up a 5,1 Mac Pro with an official 512GB Apple SSD, dual 5770s, 64 gigs of Apple RAM, and 2x6 core Xeons for... I forget, $2xx CAD last year which I thought was a great deal.
(Now I just wish I could upgrade the video card, but one of my goals was to be able to dual boot Snow Leopard...)
I got lucky a few months ago and and I managed to snag an 8core 2,1 and a 12 core 5,1 for 2$25 each because the guy upgraded his audio studio. The only thing that stunk was he kept all the hdd caddy’s
@@aaronburns2858 That is not necessarily a bad thing. OWC sells caddies that fit 2.5 inch drives directly…
@@vivienm7 Can't you just put two GPUs in there?
I love that you try to keep older computers running. I used to do the same thing back in the day. E-waste has become such a big problem and here you are, one computer at a time, keeping it out of landfills. I absolutely love watching your videos and the shenanigans that you get into with older technologies.
It's surprising sometimes what people throw out without doing some basic maintenance or troubleshooting, or with some simple upgrades make them perfectly capable for lighter games & webbrowsing pc's.
My almost completely free test rig for example is this.
A x299 sli plus motherboard + an I9 7920x from the electronics waste container that we swing by almost daily at the recycling center.
Corsair AX1600i 1600w powersupply with no modular cables and no power cable, this was like 120$ in Sweden for the full kit but well worth it, like this is when bought new over 600$ here.
Only damage on the powersupply besides some scratches & a bit bent up fan grille, was whoever owned this mixed up modular powersupply cables.
Or hooked them up too the wrong place as there's two plugs for hooking up the sata or molex cables that have slightly melted & gotten discolored slightly
(There's 4 more plugs too hook up those if needed.)
(Bought those & a fat cpu cooler the Thermalright peerless assassin for the I9 cpu & it's been great as a test rig.)
While it's a few years old being from late 2017 it's no slouch with 12 cores, 24 threads & if all can be utilized fully, it's on par with my Ryzen 5600 & beats the 5600x in several benchmarks too.
Ofc there's spotty periods from time too time with nothing interesting at all some weeks from the container where I've only grabbed like a socket 775 processor or smaller cpu cooler that fits amd but I've had some nice finds too either collect or mess around with for sure.
I also have a fully working PS4 that besides being dusty & needing an os reinstall which took all of 20 minutes maybe with a usb drive, took it apart & swapped thermalpaste on it & just need to put it together fully.
Several graphics cards that still do ok for e-sports titles in 1080p.
3x gtx 970's, 750 ti,gts 960, r9 380 4 gb, gtx 660, gtx 570, gtx 780, 3x HD 7990's with missing fans but i can just point 2x 120mm fans at 1500 rpm at any of them too cool one of those down.
A mini itx B250 motherboard which initially had a pentium g4600, but i also found an I7 6700 a few weeks earlier in a working z170-p motherboard slapped that in there and im just on the lookout after a good mini itx case now too put together a pc for my dad with the 1660 ti i also got sitting around.
Currently also on the lookout after a motherboard that supports intels' 8th gen processors as i have an I5 8400 laying around from a tossed out hp pc i think it was.
It had no ram or ssd.
When you said “powering it in the dumbest way possible” I imagined like 10,000 mice on wheels with generators attached
Powering it using 20,000 lemons and potatos instead
I'm the donor of that VisionTek PSU and when I bought it new from Fry's, I was probably the target market because I didn't know a whole lot about computers and woefully underspeced my PSU and was too lazy to outright replace it so I bought the VisionTek. I've since learned a bit more but I'm so glad to see Sean continuing his shenanigans with that thing. That thing would still be in a drawer taking up space. 😂
Do you remember how much it cost back then? Just never seen one before and I don't remember them.
@@EhEhEhEINSTEIN I'm not 100% but it was in the $50-60 vs range. It was comparable to a normal PSU but the ease of upgrade is what made it appealing and sold me on trying it.
That GPU is bottle necked to hell lol
What model is it?
I work as a tech for 30 years in post production for long format. When a system is working doing its single production task it will often stay in situ for a decade or more. I still maintain many 4,1’s (all upgraded by now with maxed out CPU’s) that are on 24/7 being used 18 hours a day. Hell, just 9 months ago I decommissioned a Blue and White G3 that was the main facility SFX sever, so like 20 yearsish 24/7. Glad your showing people every computer has a use 👍 Cheers
I’m glad I’m not paying your power bill
Amazing machines. I still run mine as a daily machine, with MacOS and an RX580, and love it. I retired my M1 Mac Studio to the "studio" :)
You can run the cables in the far top left corner. Its tight but its possible.
One of these is my main machine, heavily upgraded. 96GB of ram, dual X5680 6 cores. It started life the same low spec as this one. I played the outer worlds on it, and hogwarts legacy, jedi survivor.. you name it, it’ll run.
This is cool! You run it under Linux or Windows? _maybe both but who knows lol_
Almost enough for modern video editing!
Damn, I’d never expect a machine that old to keep up. Workstations are built different I guess
can it run doom?
Version 555 of the nvidia driver should bring wayland support... which is why you do not have a login screen coming up. You may also be able to somehow get gdm to run under X11.... but being that the "g" in gdm stands for GNOME... that's probably going to be a bit less than worth the trouble.
I got a 2010 Mac Pro Server for absolutely nothing recently, only a single CPU model but even with its stock ATI GPU it runs Monterey fantastically.
It even came with an Apple RAID card and drives full of old marketing material. It’s neat!
Update: it’s now running an X5680, 64GB RAM, and a flashed GTX 680. It’s absolutely rapid!
Don't forget to upgrade the ssd to nvme with a pcie adapter!
Thunderbolt 2 adaptor is same as USB but faster
Go Thunderbolt fast on old crab 20 years later !
Try manually installing the Nvidia 545 driver using the command line. It might fix your issue. Or, you can try the 555 beta driver
Classic Mac Pros are sweet. I have a 4,1 flashed to 5,1 as well with dual 5680’s and an RX580 rn, I’d like to throw a Radeon VII in it so I can maintain hardware accel in Sonoma since I mainly use it for Mac OS. They can actually take up to a 6900XT so long as you’re on Monterey. I also need to upgrade to nVME’s and get a new WiFi/bluetooth card. Once you do that they’re very snappy and still can hold their own for their age. Even with just the processors and RX580 it’s impressive how snappy it still feels.
The Mac Pro and all the extreme Macs starting with the II, IIx, IIfx, Quadra 950, Power Mac 9500/9600, shine bright in my computing aspirations even though most of those machines had uses cases that I will never actually need. Having one of these Macs just signaled to myself that I really made it and had the ultimate expression of a Mac. Timeless wonder.
this is the last one I had that feeling for, never even owned a mac and not particularly a fan, but the combination of stunning design and computing prowess really spoke to me
Says "Nice minty fresh"
Choses Ubuntu.
Really missed out on the Linux Mint pun.
Ubuntu and novideo. Ooof. Image how this thing would run with a real OS and GPU.
my daily driver main development rig is a 2005 Mac Pro 1,1 i got from a ham radio flea market back in 2012 for $100, it came with a whopping 32GB RAM already installed, I dropped a geforce GTX 980 in it with a pair of 3.0GHZ quad core SLAED model Xeons, and it was playing games like Witcher 3 and Rise of the Tomb Raider at ultra settings smooth as silk, even the Unigine benchmarks ran smoothly. Of course that was back in 2016 or so, but still damn impressive for a machine that was released in 2005. Whoever said macs cant play games never pimped out a 2005 mac pro, not only has it been my primary gaming rig for years but it runs dead silent doing so thanks to Apple's over the top cooling scheme.
“It’s not stupid if it works. Even if it’s stupid.”
That should go on your merch
keep it as it was please, why UNIX ?
Wow! Love that machine with the mods! Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to the next video of this machine's upgrades.
I love my 2010 5,1 Mac Pro, which I upgraded with a 3.46 GHz six-core CPU, 48 GB of RAM, an RX 580 graphics card, a 1 TB NVMe SSD, a USB 3 and C combo card, a FireWire 400 card and dual Blu Ray drives.
My metalworking neighbor also cut a hole in the access door for a neat window through which to view the RGB-glowing components. :D
I also have a 2.4 GHz twelve-core dual-CPU tray with a whopping 96 GB of RAM, but I choose to run the six-core single-core tray. Since I game a lot on my Mac Pro, and most games aren't really designed to use multiple cores, I'd rather have six fast cores than twelve slower cores.
Good
Windows?
Still a slow pc by today standards.
My 14.5inch creator laptop smokes the living fuck out of it cpu wise and gpu is no contest
@@PKperformanceEU
You're right, of course, and my main computer is an M1 Max Mac Studio that runs rings around the 2010 Mac Pro.
But I still love my Mac Pro, and for Photoshop and Mac gaming, it's still extremely capable.
Well said bro@@PKperformanceEU
I'm really glad you that you decided to make TH-cam videos and show cool stuff that some of us can't afford/have the space/time for. Thanks!
A lot of fun to watch and a testament to the usability of older hardware.
Love that you went straight for THE LONG DARK
I learned a thing today: Cheese graters are used to apply the pattern of holes to Swiss cheese slices.
Bravo-I keep my 5,1 with a Mojave drive (for all the older, 32-bit macOS apps) a Batocera drive, and soon to add a Fedora drive as well, all on a single 6-core Xeon and RX580. Looking forward to your future shenanigans, as always!
he was running x11 or Wayland? Fore some reason that not working login screen bothers me lol.
That's a mighty fine CPU bottleneck you got there lol.
However; a 2070 ti super in a PC dedicated to encoding video to twitch or TH-cam is also overkill, but it's what he had on hand. If it was me, I'd just put in a Intel ARC A750 for that delicious AV1 encoding 🥰 have it ready to when TH-cam or twitch starts supporting it
Where the heck did my first comment go? I had one about the stuttering in outer worlds definitely being CPU related
these mac pros (specifically the 4,1/5,1) are by far the best computer apple has ever made. i have two that still see regular use, though both sharing a dual 6-core Xeon CPU card and 32GB of ECC DDR3 (i may or may not have broken the other card i had oopsies). one in my music studio and one in my bedroom with an RX480 that my friend uses to play video games with me when we're hanging out. neither of them skip a beat, even running perfectly modern OSs (even windows 11!) and I dont think we'll ever see another machine from apple as beautiful, powerful, AND upgradable as these were. fantastic video!
If you want a free performance upgrade, double check that you're running the RAM in triple channel mode. If you have all the slots populated or populate certain ones, you end up in dual channel mode. I run mine in 96 GB mode, though it could technically do 128 if I populated all slots. I seem to recall that it also defaults the memory to a higher clockspeed if run that way. The extra bandwidth really helps these CPUs on some tasks
My daily driver Mac is a reflashed 4,1. Currently sporting a Radeon HD 5770 for boot support. Theres a Radeon Pro 580X (8GB) waiting to be installed once things are settled, including upgrading the CPUs - delayed because i broke the de-capper.
Might be a good idea for a video series. To upgrade this to the limit, even hacking its limits.
I just found one of these in the trash today and the case itself has me enticed. Ready to upgrade it as a server pc/data storage pc. Thanks for the video
The login screen issues may be due to Ubuntu 24.04 defaulting to Wayland over X11. I've encountered a similar problem in the past, and switching to X11 resolved it.
@@2xtreem4u All you have to do is disable Wayland in /etc/gdm3/custom.conf reboot and X11 will be the default
So glad you showed this process. I have the Cheesgrater with the AMD card and had to switch it over to Debian. I love it and run multiple Minecraft servers and my Plex server on it but my wife also uses it as a daily driver so giving her some more graphics power would be awesome!
I was such a big fan of these machines. I’d love to gut a broken one and build a pc out of it but it’s likely out of my modding capabilities. Nice video!
That looks way better than the name Tower of Jank would have you expect, even with its guts hanging out like that.
Over here in Britain, I checked online for identical Xeon processors to the ones in your 5,1, and they're being sold, used, at more than the price you paid for the whole computer. Nice find!
Used CPUs are crazy expensive. A little while ago I was bidding on a 2015 vintage Core i7, one of the lower models of i7. It got to AUD$100. You can nearly buy a brand new Ryzen with that money, that'll run rings around the old i7.
Decided instead to buy a used 2015 i5, which is "only" AUD$50.
I wish I could find Mac Pros for 100 bucks in my local area...😢
I've been working on a 5,1 12-core. I'm running an RX580 in mine and I recently got it running Sonoma. These machines are awesome and beautifully engineered. I had a 1080 TI (actually 2 of them) running in Mojave (I think. I know I used them with El Capitan) with nVidia Web Drivers on my Hackintosh. I don't think nVidia provided drivers beyond that, though. I thought I saw something about non-metal graphics being supported by the latest version of OCLP. . . The information was not pertinent to my situation so I did no further digging. Maybe they have drivers for the 2070?? Anyway, I look forward to more jankiness. . .
It makes me so happy to see this, I have a 5,1 I still use as a workhorse for VM's etc, I'm not sure if the 4,1 supported it, but I managed to squeeze 128gb of ECC memory into it, its hilarious to see 1% memory usage on a cold boot.
As other have pointed out the problem with the blank login screen probably is that GDM runs on Wayland, you can try installing an alternative display manager like LightDM which runs on X. The tearing is also probably Wayland's fault. There are ways to make it work better with Nvidia, but for now it's probably not worth the effort.
I still have & use (as a file server) my 2012 Cheese Grader Mac Pro. I bought it new in 2012, dual 3.46 Xeons, 64GB of RAM, and an RX580 GPU with 8GB of RAM, the machine quietly runs in the corner and works flawlessly. It was and still is an amazing machine, not as fast as my M1 Ultra Studio but fir a 12 year old machine its Awesome!
"known as a cheese grater, I don't know why." *brings up cheese slice* "And [...]"
Those Cinema Displays are great. I own three of them, 2 23" and a 20" and use them for at least 8 hours a day for my work. I can't quite put my finger on why I like them so much...
I had a Mac Pro 4,1 flashed to 5,1 several years ago, and I had a lot of fun doing upgrades on that beast. I'm looking forward to watching your janky upgrades 😁
Who in the hell capitalized the U in Ubuntu? I could’ve sworn it was lowercase for years.
I have 2010 Mac Pro, choice of a single 3.45 (fastest gaming performance) or a dual 3.06. Open Core dual boot on separate PCIe Nvme 1TB Samsung 970 evos, Pixla mod and a sapphire rx6800 with syncretic flash mod, and a 3602 WiFi blue tooth upgrade, finally a usb 3 PCIe. On world of tanks, I get same frame rates as my AMD 7600X / X670E combo with the rx6800🎉🎉🎉
This Mac Pro with the Dual X5690 processors and 64GB of memory and NVMe drives, is still amazing! I use mine currently as a server with multiple VMs
I did this actually back in the day for Mac GPUs for da Vinci resolve I believe there’s a way to sneak it up through behind where the COM drives are on the front of the machine. If you look closely, I think that’s how I routed mine back in that corner.
If the firmware is updated you can boot from a PCI-e slot NVME card. The Sata ports are Sata 2, so the NVME is noticeably faster.
Big Al (as in aluminum) is quite a machine. Beware of programs calling avx2 instructions though, at least some of the old Xeons don't have them.
Since I'm running an even older 2008 Mac Pro 3,1 as my daily driver running Ventura 14.5, this video warms my heart. I do need to retire this guy at some point soon (at least from MacOS) since it's video drivers courtesy of OpenCore Patcher are quite janky. But it's nice to know it can have a future life as a Linux machine.
You went ahead and pulled a Microsoft... that's not a bug, that's our new feature! Nobody can hack your machine if they have no idea how to log in!
Great video. I did something similar last year. I love my cheese grater mac, and with a modern graphics card under Win it runs loads of stuff. Great system, and a total bargain
You mentioned a Twitch channel but never provided a link so we can find you.
We all like Elon here !
I love me 5,1 MacPro its a multi boot MacOS's Windows, but mostly linux workstation. I upgraded the wifi/bluetooth card, 128mb ram, SSD, 2 x X5690, RX5800. The thing is still a beast on most work loads.
I'd like to see how modern of an AMD gpu you can go. Is there something that works with Sonoma (along with opencore?)
Might be worth checking the firmware on the 2070 super. I had a similar issue with a PC and UEFI firmware not picking the correct video output on boot but works in the OS. Also try a different monitor with native HDMI or DP to rule out the monitor 🙂
I would dare say this is the best Mac ever made. It's still my main machine. I just recently put a Radeon RX 6600 XT in mine. Unfortunately, that GPU limits the OS to Monterey. I had Sonoma running on my RX 580, but it's a fair trade to be able to game in Windows/Linux on the 6600. Still plenty of power to stream with OBS and edit with FCPX on the Mac side.
I’ll be following your progress, I bought a 2012 Mac Pro Xeon x2 for $100. I have a M1 Max MacBook Pro, so I want to make this my dedicated Windows/Linux device.
I’ve seen so many work around to get the Mac Pro to acknowledge the graphics card on Windows boots. Seems like Linux is pretty straightforward.
I love my mid-2010 Mac Pro 5,1! Mine has 6 Westmere CPUs, max RAM, and a Sapphire HD 7950 3GB with Metal support. It's such a great computer, and it still feels plenty fast to me. I'd like to add another 6 Westmere CPUs to really max it out, but it's probably not worth it.
I have a few Dell T7500 and T5500s they run dual x5690, and they are fantastic machines.
I use them for everything.
I also have a Ryzen 5900x which is faster on single core tasks, but is limited to 128GB of RAM and only 20 pci lanes.
The T7500s can take up to 384GB of RAM, and have heaps of PCI lanes.
You may be able to put a couple Xeon x5690 CPUs in that Mac, that would give you 12 cores if it works.
I would love to see that.
They use 135 watts each, I don't know if that matters.
Honestly not surprised it's running the games well. I was still using a Quad Core Xeon CPU up until a few years ago, basically equivalent to a mildly souped up Core2 Quad and it was doing just fine with AAA games with a decent GPU installed. We really do have way more CPU power than we need in most cases these days!
I really wanted to upgrade my Intel Mac Pro's graphics card beyond the RX 580 but the weak power supply stopped me from going forward with it. I never knew there was such a thing as a dedicated graphics card power supply solution available. Now I wished I had kept the Mac Pro instead of recycling it. A fun video and amazing how long-lived Apple hardware can be!
Watching this while reinstalling windows 11 because nothing works!
Here owner of a Mac Pro 5,1 single CPU Xeon X5690 64GB RAM RX580 8GB for audio production and still running smoothly!
That external PSU is interesting. I didn't know off the shelf solutions for powering upgraded hardware without changing the PSU existed.
What a beast! Reminds me of my old Intel 5930K PC. Put in a 3080 in it and it ran anything I could throw at it.
I found a mac pro 2009 a year ago and it used to turn on for 5 minutes and it never turned on again. I still have it even tho it's not working because it's a beast if it works
FYI every, single video of yours ive seen is very interesting. Keep it up.
Unusual setups are right up my alley.
Im not an apple fan but ive always wanted one of these for some alternate OS and hardware experaments.
And one of these cases would make a baddass PC mod for a "bad apple" (A Mac with PC components running a PC OS.)
I once created a bad apple out of a "Bondai Blue" iMac G4 Case using an generic laptop brick-powered Mini-ITX motherboard with an Integrated AMD A8 quad core, 16GB RAM, 120GB SSD and a Nvidia Quadro running Linux Lite from spare parts for an Ex Girlfriends photo editing hobby using GIMP.
WOW, Actually wasn't expecting The Outer Worlds to work that well!
Ha, one of these is my main machine. The outer worlds isn’t even a stress for it.
It's a 2019 game, no suprise.
I'm pretty sure hades will work aswell.
Watching you now on a 2011 Mac Mini...running Linux Mint Debian Edition! Bravo on another success!
I have a Mac Pro with a Sapphire RX 5700xt running windows 10 and it can play cyberpunk 2077 at 2k res on high settings. I’ve placed a standard 500w psu where the disc drive was and run the cables through the hole where the apple psu cables run (after some trimming). One my fav machines although it needs a lot fiddling around to get windows and some games to work as they should ( or even install windows, which took me 2 days)
You coulda saved a few bucks and just spliced new 8pin connectors into the PSU directly. There's a mod online (pixlas mod). Those 5.25 bay PSUs are unobtainium.
He's been on a role with the retro Mac tech. Keep it up
I've had my 2009 Mac Pro for years and am still using it, and given that there's likely at least another year of Intel macOS updates waiting, I plan to run it until I can't anymore
10:18 “Random screws I had lying around” …There are four silver screws in a line there for the second bay. You didn’t need randos. I guess it’s more jank though.
i love how he turn things from obselete to usable SUBSCRIBED!
You've inspired me to resurrect my old 5.1. Much to the chagrin of my electric bill.
Windows too, I run windows 10 on my 08 with a 28 gigs and a 970, pretty well balanced in my opinion.
I just subscribed. I used to have a MacPro 2006: I loved it as long as Apple supported it. Before, I had a G4, a G4 MD aaaand… a Performa 450.
The fact that you mentioned "cheese grater" at the literal moment I was grating some cheese irl while watching this video lmfao.
YES YOU TOOK MY SUGGESTION
The silver tower of Jank-Top-olis! love it!
By the time this becomes the all-powerful cheese grater, I doubt that you would have spent less than a normal PC having non-janky hardware
You can go ahead in time a few years to around Sandy/Ivybridge era and find a lot of insanely good machines for all kinds of tasks. The hard truth is that during the 2010s when Intel didn't really have any competition (bulldozer wasn't really competing much with AMD) they didn't really make any big/massive improvements for like 10 years aside from top end if you really push it. I have a jank dual socket X99 aliexpress board with some used Xeon E5-1650 v3's with 32gb of ram, and it works great, surprisingly (with fire extinguisher nearby just in case). For a weird for fun project, I actually enjoy using it for the fun of it alongside my old Ryzen 2600 build that has become my budget test bench. Performance isn't half bad even today, but you could probably scrape together something like a 12600KF i5 build when parts are on sale if you're patient and that together with an RX580 8GB you can get decent 1080p60 performance, especially with the supported upscaling. That's what my Ryzen was running until I transplanted it to the dual socket setup. If Intel ever releases battlemage for a decent price, I'm grabbing one of those and probably moving my 6800XT to the Dual Socket or Ryzen machine. I had an Arc 770 as my budget card with my RX580 8GB, but gave it to a friend that needed a card for photo editing, and it handles it great with current drivers.
TBH, you can pick up loaded office workstations from around Ivy-Bridge to Haswell and maybe a bit later on these days with higher spec i7's for dirt cheap in lot sales or auctions. There's generally space enough for a card like this 2070 Super and enough power to handle it along with enough capacity for 16gb or 32gb of ram to make budget monsters relatively speaking. For kids or people that can't afford a more traditional build (or people like me that enjoy doing them for fun...my tinypc/thin client stash is ever-growing) it's a great option.
mine has a humble AMD RX580, no PSU mods, running windows 10 and it plays my Forza horizon 5 and Assetto Corsa just fine, i even play some Cyberpunk 2077 ever so often and it works decent.
The login screen issue can be fixed by going into your login screen settings and setting it back and forth to new themes and applying them usually, as the issue is typically the machine trying to initialize the original drivers until it updates. I also highly recommend getting the Nvidia 560 drivers.
The RTX 2000 series all have boot screen support on the 4,1 and 5,1. I ran a zotac 2070 in my flashed 4,1 and the bootscreen worked.
at 3:21 I burst out laughing, I just died for no reason.
I have one of those 30 “ Apple Cinema displays. I used to connect it to my 2013 iMac and 2015 MacBook Pro, but I have sold both this year, so may have to buy some adapters at some point.
You can pass a cable in the front corner, it’s really tight, but feasible
My main computer is still a MacPro maxed out with Xeon X5675 and a good graphics cards: runs smoothly even with Mojave.
The only problem is represented by the updates of the OS, certificates and browsers: otherwise a terrific machine!
I completely agree with what you said about "why buying new tech". There's no such thing as "dead tech" or "old tech". I know that Pentiums III and IV can be a pain to work now, but machines with 15 y.o. like the one you showed here, can be absolutely refitted and upgraded. i.e. I'm using a Lenovo E531 laptop from 2011 (I think). It came with a 3rd Gen i3 CPU and 8GB of RAM, but being a quirky g33k, I slapped it with a 3rd Gen i7 CPU, 16GB DDR3, a M.2 2242 240GB SSD card with Linux Mint and a 256GB SSD for storage. And it's working until now. Not to mention my Lenovo ThinkCentre from 2016 with FreeBSD as my daily driver. Instead of buying new stuff, people should squeeze as much as one can from old devices, instead of buying new stuff that becomes obsolete from year to year. Anyway... Great video as always, dude!
I tell people this all the time. Going from a computer in 2024 to one from 2014 is a much smaller jump than say, going from one in 2014 to one from 2004. Ten year jump either way, but moving multicore definitely helped longevity. I consider the cutoff to be around the Core 2 Quad for what we would consider a "fluid" experience under a non-lite OS.I still daily a 2012 MacBook Pro and 2012 5,1. Still very good machines in every other way than power consumption 😂 The difference will only get smaller as time goes on since flash storage eliminated the last of the great bottlenecks and picked the the last of the low hanging fruit for easy performance gains
Login screen issue is to do with NVIDIA and Xorg vs Wayland support
Keep an eye on the temperature of that auxiliary power supply. That looked a lot like a stylized heat sink you removed from the front of it.
You have the best thumbnails. How do you make that expression on your face? It's like you're kinda impressed but disappointed at the same time yet you're letting us know that you know exactly what you're doing?
Honestly always amazed how well a pc can run when it has an older cpu with a modern gpu. For a long time I used a 2nd gen i7 with a 1060, and it was great as long as I wasn't trying to run a cpu intensive game. Honestly had less trouble with that pc than when I upgraded to a 10th gen i5 lol.
Oh hell yeah! I have this same model Mac Pro and I tried to upgrade the graphics card way beyond what the firmware supports, but I got scared off potentially bricking the mobo or the card. This was like 3 years ago and I was trying to get a spare GTX 1060 from a PC he had that was shot. Seeing how this video goes, maybe I'll see about giving it another go.
I had that same 2070 super 😭
It was such a good little buddy. I'm so sad I killed it.
Hi I use a Sapphire PULSE RX 5700 XT 8G in my dual cpu MacPro4,1 , the graphics card is rated at a max 241w and is only connected to the Aux power headers. The Aux headers will cut out at 10A 120w and can be used stably at 8A 96w per header. Main thing is even if your gps has two 12v ATX inputs most guys will draw more power from one header compared to the other. So I use a Y-Y cable setup to join the two 6 pin aux headers together to a single 8pin then back out to two 8-pins connectors
No need for Pixas mod or an additional PSU. More than enough power head room on the stock psu
You can install OpenCore and get to the latest Mac OS Sonoma, use some high end Vega series video card, Navi cards require AVX to run their drivers, therefore it won’t work with newer Radeon cards, yettt.
I too have a 4,1 upgraded to a 5,1. If you’re going to do the upgrade to a Westmere with integrated heat spreader (rather than the custom heat spreader-less Nehalems that Apple shipped them with), then be careful as I murdered one of the two CPU sockets (and by extension half of its RAM slots) doing that.