WOW!!! Thanks man. Not trying to be famous, just trying to give real info people can actually use. I just want to be informative and be different than the VR tech people who really don't use the product.
dude, wow, thank you for comparing these headsets, I own the Apple vision, Pro, and the quest, three, and I really wanted to buy the big screen beyond to use as a daily driver, your video was very honest and very informative. There hasn’t been a single video on TH-cam That’s given me, the important details needed to make a decision. I will be buying a big screen beyond because of your video, thank you so much for helping me make a decision.
Glad I was able to help. The Bigscreen Beyond is such a great SteamVR headset. I hope you enjoy! Once I get the audio strap I will be reviewing that as well so subscribe so you'll see that review. I am a fan of the rigid straps so I hope it will be more comfortable.
Apple Vision Pro will bring more people to the VR industry and more devs will start creating awesome apps because of Apple. The whole industry will be better because of Apple jumping in and people stealing ideas from Apple. I still love my Beyond though as a gamer.
Well, many people who have never tried VR or AR will buy the device simply because it is an Apple product. Also, there are sooo many Apple Stores where people can walk in and try the device. See how cool it could be and either buy a Vision Pro or possibly buy a Quest 3 instead because it is cheaper. Right now where else can people try VR? Some Best Buy stores... such... but where else? Simply Apple having this device will garner more attention to the general public and people will know what VR and AR and XR is. Then you mention it is not a VR device. I can agree, but there are many VR aspects to it. Hvae you tried the Vision Pro? Have you gone into one of their environments? Hva eyou downloaded the Disney App and gone into one of their environments? You can make it 100% immersive (so VR). For $3500 the Vision Pro isn't worth it in its current state and the lack of the right apps for it, but 1-3 years from now it should be an amazing device.
I know this is 9 months ago now but kinda funny right here 20:39 where you showed the quest most accessories and then you said “the quest is second” so like the quest is the 1 and second, I’m pretty sure you meant the apple for second
I got my Quest 3 for $280 and its the best thing I bought this year. I'm super happy with what I can do with it. What needs to happen is the quality of vr content that's currently available right now. Not all content are high resolution. The ones that are will be the ones that help drive the vr industry.
I tend to agree. There are games like Gorilla Tag that are HUGE and lack graphics, but generally the biggest games are the ones who push the envelop graphically and push the industry forward.
I bought a Quest 3 also, about a month ago, and I've looked at a lot of the environments, short 3D films (both photographic and others using computer graphics), "The Faceless Lady" horror series, a few simple games, etc., and found the resolution and lighting to be lacking in a lot of these productions, below what many other productions I've looked at on the Quest 3 can display. A lot of these were produced starting some time around 2020, before even the Quest 2 was available, and even earlier in the case of the NASA films and some others, so that might partly explain the poor image quality of these earlier productions, though I'm guessing that good 3D cameras were available at that time, but apparently not good enough when you're blowing up those visuals to the big virtual window sizes that you can get with these headsets. Too many productions are also darker than the Quest 3 can display, and sometimes this seems to be an attempt to reduce the amount of detail that the Quest 3 has to display, but then other productions show significantly more detail without being too dark. The quality of the visuals really varies all over the map, from one production to another, and sometimes even in the same production. So better production values are needed, and maybe some better 3D camera equipment too.
A ton of content is dumbed down for Quest devices. Have you ever played a Quest native game and then played the same game PCVR with your Quest? Makes a world of difference. Also, some content back from 2016-2020 wasn't the greatest as they were all still figuring out what works with VR. Different panels and lenses (LCD or OLED and pancake, aspheric or pancake lenses) will cause the content to look a certain way. I also watched content on the Quest 3 and on the Apple Vision Pro and the Vision Pro was lights out a better quality video. Both standalone devices, but Apple has a better processor and OLED panels with higher resolution.
Very-very nice video. You know, I appreciate simply shot n edited videos like this. The tempo is just right. You take longer time to express your thoughts clearly, and I have more time to think through what youre telling me. Too much quick editing going on on bigger youtube channels. Find myself pausing the videos or rewinding. Not here tho. So good on you, m8. Thought Id mention it👍
I appreciate the feedback. I really strive to give my thoughts as best as possible as a VR gamer and try to answer questions that would be important to me. Glad you enjoy my videos. Thank you very much.
10:06 That's something I like. The other headsets feel like they're stuck in an ecosystem akin to a smartphone. So much computing power, that you cannot use to run anything a computer can run
The Bigscreen Beyond set out to be a Small PCVR headset with great optics and that is exactly what they did. However, I do like that you can use the Quest 3 in stand alone mode or can do PCVR (wired or wireless). I feel like Meta has the biggest library of games and Pimax nor HTC will ever touch Meta with their library of games. It is similar to smartphones like you said.
HAHA. Well that was the point. I am trying to make content that people want to know about. Those are the 3 biggest headsets at the moment and I wanted to compare and contrast those headsets so people knew what the pros and cons of each headset were.
nope, one of the best is still the pico 4 but this so called vr tuber avoid it like the plague because it does better clarity, better fov, with one of the best lenses for 399 $, disrupting all theses 3
While watching this video and listening to the gaming section, I was coming here to complain that you skimmed over the whole virtual reality, gaming part. But when I got to the end and I saw that you went for the quest three I was relieved. I agree with you wholeheartedly! Apple Vision Pro is great for virtual watching point blank. I spend anywhere from 4 to 7 hours a day with my quest three in virtual reality, playing games and experiencing things that can’t be done with an apple Vision Pro. I’m glad that you gave a balance review, because most reviewers are skipping over that part.
I am glad you liked the video. I am a VR gamer at heart. Between the 3 devices I feel they have pros and cons to them, but the overall best choice for gaming is the Quest 3. You can use it standalone or PCVR gaming and there are some cool apps coming out for productivity as well. I use my Bigscreen Beyond as my daily driver, but the Quest 3 is slowing taking over that spot because of the ease of use, wireless PCVR and I really love the Pro controllers.
Dude about the lenses on the Quest 3, you are right on the nail. I started a few years back on the Quest 1 when it came out and upgraded to the Quest 2 the second it came out. The second I put my Quest 3 on, it was leaps and bounds better in terms of lenses, clarity and comfort. I found myself adjusting my Quest 2 constantly and it was annoying but still bearable as I had never tried anything better. Now with the Quest 3 I literally put in one in one second and its clear, and I can play for hours without adjusting it at all. It is amazing what only some new lenses can do. If the Quest 3 Lite ever comes true, I hope the rumors about returning to fresnel lenses aren't true and they can get the price down for pancake lenses because I now truly believe they are essential.
Lenses can make a HUGE difference. Meta's pancake lenses are the best in the business right now. I hope they scrap the Quest 3 lite and just continue to sell the Quest 2. Then they can really go after the high end market and create a new Pro model to compete with the Apple Vision pro. The clarity on the Vision Pro would be EPIC to game with.
fantastic review! i just got the quest 3, and had been considering these other two, but will probably hold out until apple releases another cheaper device. my favorite usage for VR would be for content/productivity and not gaming, but i have seen some apps for that on quest like immersion or fluid, so hopefully that can do the job for now.
I do think the Apple Vision Pro will be amazing in the years to come, just need to developers to come and build for it. Apple's approach is if they build it (the device) devs will come. haha
Big screen beyond lenses are closer to your eye. That’s why it has similar field of view. VR only sucks because of how front heavy it is. Not sure why Apple and oculus don’t do like big screen and then just put the battery processor and speakers behind your head.
I agree that they should both do that. I'm surprised that there are not more companies that are doing aftermarket Apple Vision Pro head straps with a spot for the battery in the back of the strap. It just makes sense, but no one is really doing it.
If you do end up getting a Beyond I hope you enjoy it. It really is a good device. It has it quirks for sure, but I really enjoy the device for PCVR gaming.
Don’t forget about the Visor which is really more for spacial computing but it has 6Dof and does both wired and wireless. It may not work with PCVR out of the box but for oled high refresh classic and true immerse and passthrough, for classes and under $800 it’s gonna be a win.
If it comes out and if it has great software then it will be a cool product. I will certainly try to get my hands on one of them to review if possible.
The Quest 3 is a really darn good headset. I have been playing VR 50% of the time with the Bigscreen Beyond and the other 50% with the Quest 3. I am actually getting ready to do a few Quest 3 PCVR videos and some accessories I use. I really like both headsets differently... I wish there was a Beyond form factor & resolution with Quest 3 optics. Would be a sweet headset.
I have the Quest Pro as well and I think it was a disappointment. Hardly any aftermarket accessories for it and for the price the resolution wasn't enough. The Quest 3 is a much better product. It doesn't have eye tracking or face tracking, but I didn't use those features with the games I play. The Quest 3 is a great device. I personally have started using the Bigscreen Beyond more and more and the Quest 3 less and less because of the weight, form factor and higher resolution. I am really hoping Valve does something amazing with their next headset as the industry needs to be pushed forward.
The Quest 3 is really amazing. The lenses are the best in the biz right now. The Bigscreen Beyond is excellent for comfort and lighthouse tracking VR. I have been personally using both devices. I like the lenses of the Quest 3... being wireless & the Quest Pro controllers, but the added clarity, size and weight of the Beyond. There are pros and cons to both devices.
steam VR is already possible on the apple vision pro using index controllers. Once it's further fine-tuned, it will be the best device in every category IMO!
Yes, it is possible but it isn't a great solution. Too many issues with the continuous tracking and stuff in my eyes. I just hope that either Apple finally realizes the money it could make if it goes full fledged VR and allows dev to port their games to Apple.
Great video. I am still waiting for my bigscreen beyond, but i've been using ALVR to play PCVR on my AVP. I played the entirety of Vertigo 2 on it and it was glorious. Can't wait to see how the beyond stacks up! Still love my quest 3 for standalone and virtual desktop.
I really hope you like the Bigscreen Beyond. If you do enjoy it PLEASE get the audio strap. It makes a big difference in comfort. As far as visuals... the AVP will be the best for sure. If you wear the Beyond correctly (and have the right IPD) you'll have the glare on the lower part of your vision, but for me it is not distracting... but some cannot get over it. Please come back and let me know how you like all 3 headsets and rank them in order of best or worst in your opinion.
@@gamer.z3ro will do! I have a halo strap on the AVP but I got the beyond bc of the size. My main complaint so far for the AVP using ALVR is the software isn’t great yet so the connection can lag a bit but virtual desktop for quest 3 is flawless for me. I’m hoping the beyond can get closer to the visuals of the AVP but more stable with the wired connection. I’ll let you know once I get it!
@@gamer.z3ro also i did order the audio strap too. I think I’ll be ok with glare. AVP has some of those issues in the dark environments and doesn’t really bother me.
@@djnoelbVRapparently the glare is much worse on the BSB but in time you adapt to it. I’m debating getting one but I’m so afraid if I do valve will announce their next headset by the time my BSB arrives. Valve hardly ever releases crap especially not in hardware. When are you supposed to get your BSB? I’d like to know your thoughts on it as well
@@Mar-5016 That's what I hear, but I've experienced glare on some other headsets but it's not really something that bothers me too much. If valve announces a headset I will for sure check it out, but it hasn't even been announced yet. I ordered my BSB beginning of May, but they just sent an email out saying that they got a lot of stock in and for the more common IPD's those should be shipped out pretty quickly by July? Who knows lol I love the AVP for PCVR but I wish there was some way to directly connect instead of it stream to the headset. The connection is good like 95% of the time but every once in a while experience some compression or lag or stutter. If it was as solid as virtual desktop then I'd be ok. This was my main reason for wanting to BSB so I can directly connect and have high fidelity displays. Once I get it i'll let you know how it goes!
I dont use the face plate with bobovr headstrap. I can VR game for hours on end without face fatigue on quest 3. I turned off 100hz refresh on quest as well. battery charges headset well with the bobovr.
I LOVE the BoboVR headstraps. Always seem like a quality product, but I know they came out with the S3 headstrap that has a bigger battery to fully power the Quest 3.
Hey, I'm looking for the BOBOVR Elite head strap that you mentioned for my BSB, but it doesn't show up on searches. Discontinued or is the name right? Would any current offering work? (BOBOVR M1 Plus looks similar?) I'd love to get the print files if available. Thanks for the reviews, very informative. I need controllers too, which do you use the most with the BSB? The elastic headstrap on the BSB is just not up there with the product and the cable clip? **** , it is just beyond belief that the strap and cable clip made it through any form of user QA. My eyelashes mist up the custom lenses. The face mask magnets don't hold it into the chassis firmly enough for when you are handling the headset off the face, a half or a third of it will just flop around when you pick it up. Like others have said, a little bit bigger would have been better for USA sized faces . But hey, I am an engineer, so I'm extra critical, YMMV.
For the Elite strap I mention you would be looking for the M1, M2 or M3 from BoboVR. As far as the 3D printed parts, I don't have them or the files. I have a friend who printed them and sent them to me. However, I 100% suggest to just get the Bigscreen Audio Strap instead or doing the BoboVR stuff. It is a much better solution and the sound is really good. As far as controllers... I might not be the right person to ask. I still use the Viive Wands. I never really liked the finger tracking on the Valve controllers. Majority of the VR community would rather have the Valve controllers over the Vive wands which is why I first said I might not be the best person to ask. If you have ever used Meta's controllers you might want to consider the Pimax sword controllers. Very similar shape and hand placement, but with the lighthouse tracking ring over your wrist. As far as the elastic head strap... I understand why they did it. They were really focused on the VRChat community and being able to lay down comfortably and sleep with it and watch movies with it. I just personally feel they didn't take into account the vast majority of VR users who never use their headset for movies or VRChat or laying down. If you look at those who got to try out the headset during development... they are all VRChat people. I will be making a 1 year of ownership video soon and also making a wish list for a Beyond 2 video shortly thereafter.
I have to agree that the Quest 3 for most people makes the most sense. Don't have my beyond yet (next month cant cone soon enough) but after trying a demo if the Quest at my local Best Buy the clarity is crazy. Sounds like I'll have to demo the AVP as well. Thanks for the vid.
If you like the clarity of the Quest 3, you'll like the Bigscreen Beyond even better and I think you might be blown away by the clarity of the Vision Pro. For a stand alone device to be that amazing is unheard of.
If you have the SteamVR tracking lighthouses and controllers get the Bigscreen Beyond. If not, get the Quest 3. I cannot recommend the Apple Vision Pro because you cannot game on it (yet) and the comfort is terrible.
@@FuriousKai Finally have my unit in hand! For me it's almost a perfect upgrade from my index. The glare isn't as bad as I expected. I'll have to get a new cushion/modify my current one. I will never be able to go back to a headset heavier than this. OLED is a game changer. Resolution is very crisp. The strap is meh but I pulled the AMVR Quest 2 soft strap attachment and it made a big difference. TL:DR I like it a lot. Very happy with my purchase.
@@snoopythemage919 I actually just got mine too I honestly don’t see to much of a difference but the lenses are much better and hand tracking is pretty good, downsides are the grainy camera quality it always looks dark when you’re in the light. And if you’re going stand-alone they’ve yet to update games to utilize the quest 3 full power
I have a question, what headset has the best quality to demo 180° VR videos to clients? We want to shoot more and more 180° VR videos in the future but we want to be able to show it to future prospects without any hassle. Apple vision pro has the best quality but it's not suitable for client demos since every headset is adapted for personal use, or am I mistaken ? In other words which headset is the easiest and most hasslefree for 180° VR video demo use? Thanks
In my opinion it would be the Meta Quest 3, BUT you could start running into a memory issue with the Quest depending on the video file sizes and such. If the Apple Vision Pro wasn't so user specific with IPD and such I would say the Vision Pro. Also, with the Quest 3 you can cast to your iPhone or iPad and see exactly what the user in the device is seeing. This way you can tell what part of the video they like or dislike, which emotions is shown during different areas of the videos, etc.. I hope this answered your question.
100% out of the question because the Bigscreen Beyond has a fixed IPD. That means the screens are in a fixed position and do not move. So, if you bought a Bigscreen Beyond with a 62 IPD it will only look good to those with a 62 IPD and look blurry to everyone else.
@@gamer.z3ro That's good to know. It seems to me that the only headset suitable for client demo's is the quest am I right? Is it possible to change the IPD on the quest and adapted it to a person.
The Apple Vision pro and Quest 3 both have IPD adjustments. Apple's takes longer and requires more customers input... the Quest 3 is simply a slider on the bottom of the headset that the customer would either widen or shorten the lenses to see more clearly. The Quest 3 is cheaper as well. There is an app called "The Spatial App" on the Quest App Store where you can turn a Quest 3 into a decent version of the Apple Vision Pro. I would 100% go with a Quest 3. Maybe a second gen Vision Pro will be easier and better, but right now it isn't fully there.
How close would you say is the quest2, the quest 3 and the beyond each subjectively compared to using a Monitor like a g9 in terms of fidelity and far away details in %?
I personally HATE the Quest 2. Not a fan of anything about it. However, the Quest 3 is a damn good headset. I personally love playing PCVR wirelessly. I would say I use my Beyond 50% of the time and the Quest 3 50% of the time. As far as monitors... I really couldn't tell you because I don't do any pancake games... I only do VR gaming. In the sweet spot, the Beyond is the best... but overall the lenses on the Quest 3 are the best.
Very little content about Beyond in recent months. I would love to see the difference in OLED and LCD screens. And If there is such an experience, the difference in feel between watching OLED monitor/TV and OLED in Beyond. Also interested - how much can the Beyond be upgraded to. If we attach to it face tracking cameras and external cameras for hand tracking - will it get closer to Apple Vision in comfort of use, although it is very difficult.
There hasn't been much content because once a product is not new and shiny the TH-camrs stop talking about. My personally, I moved and that caused a 3 months where I didn't get a chance to do much. I will be doing a few videos this week or next week (depending on my work schedule) and going through a few custom maps in Onward. I personally do not know of an experience to tell the difference between LCD and OLED. If you currently have an Index (for instance) or a Quest 2, 3 or Pro and go to a dark scene... it is grayed out and not actually black. With OLED it would be pitch black and on a per pixel basis. It is just more real life in that aspect. As far as upgrading the Beyond to be more like the Vision Pro... it isn't really possible. No passthrough and there is almost no way to have cameras for passthrough and eye tracking and hand tracking all linked up to the Beyond and have it all be powered unless you have a ton of wires going from your computer to the headset. Then software wise there would have to be software created to make the Beyond be more like the Vision Pro. When buying all of that stuff and the headset you should have just bought a Vision Pro instead.
@@gamer.z3ro Thanks for the detailed reply. If I had a lot of spare money, I would certainly buy the Vision Pro. But now I'm closer to trying to do it myself. Good thing they already made eye tracking for Beyond. When I get it, I'll try to improve it. That's what I like about this helmet. It's pretty customisable. I hope there will be a big community to improve Beyond.
Are you apart of the Bigscreen Beyond Discord community? If not, certain get in their discord. Tons of people always coming up with cool ideas to mod the device.
Well, I believe that if you already have lighthouses for tracking a SteamVR controllers (Index Knuckles or Vive Wands) that you should by the Bigscreen Beyond. However, for the price point the Quest 3 is amazing. You get all of your SteamVR library AND all of the Meta library games/apps. I like the price point of the Quest 3 and all of the accessories made for it, but I LOVE the lightweight design of the Bigscreen Beyond and the extra resolution in the sweet spot.
How would you compare the image clarity of the beyond and the vision pro? I've been wanting to buy a beyond for a little bit now. But I just tried the vision pro today and was very impressed by the clarity. Is the beyond anywhere near as clear?
So, the Apple Vision pro has a resolution of around 3800x3100 per eye and the Bigscreen Beyond is 2560x2560 per eye (at 75hz). It is sooo darn clear... I wish I could play some SteamVR games with the Vision Pro. Right now Apple is the king when it come to that kind of clarity. I am going to try and get a Varjo XR4 to try out (when available for consumers) and that will be Vision Pro level of clarity. The Bigscreen Beyond is a great device and I personally love it, but it does have a small sweet spot and wearing it does take a lot of getting used to because of how to face gasket is around your eyes and not on your forehead and cheeks like other headsets. BUT the lightweight aspect of the headset is really amazing.
Lets say the Valve Index clarity is a 5... the Quest 3 is a 7, the Bigscreen Beyond would be an 8 and because there isn't really anything better than the Vision Pro currently we would give that a 10.
I do agree that the game was better when it was PC only, but there are a few good custom map makers that are really pushing the limits for PC users graphics. Bluega (you probably know him as he has played Onward for years) is a map maker and makes some of the best maps graphically. I am actually going to make a few videos walking through some of the custom Onward maps. Those videos should be out within the week.
I mainly play skyrimvr, elite dangerous, no mans sky, DCS, P3D & MSFA in vr and am I'm spoilt by oled screens. I just cant stand grey areas when its suppose to be dark so I'm thinking the bigscreen beyond is for me coming from a Vive Pro with modified pancake lenses,
You will LOVE the OLED on the Bigscreen Beyond. Seems like you did the GearVR lens mod to your Vive Pro. I did as well. I will say that with the Beyond you won't have the screen door effect like you're having now and no distortion like you probably have now as well, BUT those lenses gave a pretty darn great edge to edge clarity and the Beyond won't be as great as that. You'll also love the comfort once you get used to the face gasket.
@@gamer.z3ro Thanks for the reply. I really like your no nonsense format/content. I've found the vive pro with the new lenses to be pretty good. I look forward to the higher resolution and no screendoor of the BSB. I'm not too worried about the smaller sweet spot. Those original Fresnel lenses of the HTC kit were horrid. I'm thinking I'm going to have to upgrade the my 6900XT gpu. Maybe a 7900XTX.
I appreciate the feedback. I'm trying to be as honest about my opinion and answers questions I feel people would be asking if it were a face to face convo. Try it out with your current GPU before you buy. No sense in buying a new GPU if you can run it at 75 hz fully. I hope you enjoy the headset!
I want to see someone hook up a raspberry pi with a camera and vrheadtrack to add AR to the BSB headset. I think the hardest part would be the software but I think someone could make something really great with the hardware.
That would be really cool if someone could get that figured out. My "wants" for the Beyond 2 would be: Epic passthough, higher resolution, eye tracking with foveated rendering and a better sweet spot/lenses. I know this will make the beyond bigger, but i think the Bigscreen team could get all of this into the device and have it still weigh less than a Quest 3. I would assume they could have it weigh approx 350 grams
I've been streaming my pc games to the Vision Pro, playing on a giant screen via Moonlight and it's been pretty damn epic. It absolutely kills my Quest 3 in terms of fidelity and detail.
You talking the Mount Hood environment? Yeah, at night it looks EPIC. Playing regular 2D games is cool on the Vision Pro, but we would LOVE to play SteamVR games with the Vision Pro. To me, not being able to play VR games and the comfort is really my only issues with the device. The rest of the device is a home run.
@@gamer.z3ro I meant the Moonlight app for streaming pc games. They have a testflight right now for a native app for the Vision pro that allows for 4k@60 or 90. Also, it's hack but SteamVR is working on the Vision Pro for people who like to tinker, own a Mac and have lighthouses.
I appreciate your take as a gamer! That is the right trio of headsets to compare. Agree with your conclusion, Quest 3 is my daily driver for VRChat FBT. Beyond didn't work well with my wide IPD.
I love my Bigscreen Beyond. For me it is my daily driver headset, but I already had the lighthouses and controllers so $1,000 was not crazy for my to spend on a headset only. For someone new to VR to spend $300+ on controllers, $300+ on lighthouses and then spend $1,000 on a headset is a pretty big ask. For the ease of use and for the money the Quest 3 is an amazing product and an amazing buy.
I did the Vive deluxe audio strap mod for Quest 3. As would be expected, the comfort is amazing now. I also have a Vive Pro Eye because I love OLED for the black levels (after being an Index user for years). Have you tried the Quest 3 with the cable to the PC yet? I have only used it for SteamVR via Virtual Desktop so far, and curious is the clarity and latency way better with the cable? I've just been too lazy to set it up that way. Also do you think the Bigscreen beyond would blow me away compared to the Vive Pro Eye? Rocking a 4080 so I have the power, but seems the waiting times are in the months at this point.
Using the cable will help with latency and you'll have more steady frames per second (in my uses that I have done). You will want to toy with the dev settings in your computer files to get the best experience. There are some videos on TH-cam with people smarter than myself that can show you what to do. As far as the Bigscreen Beyond, I personally like it over the Quest 3 for the lightweight comfort, the lighthouse tracking and the beautiful OLED colors, BUT if you already have a Quest 3 you won't be blown away with the extra clarity. It is an upgrade, but is that upgrade worth another $1,000? That would be up to you and what you want to spend your money on. You should see a good upgrade from the Vive Pro Eye to the Quest 3... that is a pretty good jump in clarity.
@@gamer.z3ro thanks I appreciate that perspective. I’m going to stop being lazy and hook it up with the cable so I can see the full potential. It’s so hard though isn’t it when everything works great wirelessly. I’m just one of those people that can see that slight amount of latency when you’re running it wirelessly.
I can notice the latency and the slight pixelation when the wifi signal drops for a second. If you already have a cable, try it. Can't hurt. You might think the trade off isn't worth it and stick to wireless.
Great video! Couple of things... First, you mentioned the HTC Vive Pro in your video, and that it was not one that you would recommend. I do want to clarify, were you talking about the Vive Pro 2? I am currently looking for a VR headset primarily for gaming, although productivity and watching content would be something I'd enjoy as well. Out of all the headsets currently available, the HTC Vive Pro 2 seems like the best one. I am not interested in any of the Meta headsets; not because I don't like the headsets themselves, but because I don't like Meta as a company. If you were not talking about the Vive Pro 2, how does that compare to these other ones in your opinion? Second, I do really hope that Apple continues to improve their attention to gaming. If MacOS was just as good for gaming as Windows, I would have said goodbye to Windows/Microsoft a long time ago, as MacOS is my favorite operating system by far. If I had the money I would definitely still get a Vision Pro for the content consumption. I'm just hoping that they bring gaming to it over time, because that would be a whole new level of amazing. Third, for heavens sake, it's pronounced "ax-ess-ories," not "assess-ories!" 😂 Jokes aside, very good and informative video. Keep it up!
So, I was talking about the Vive Pro. I had the Vive Pro 2 for about a week and returned it. It was a major flop for HTC. The vertical FOV is trash, still using fresnel lenses is just not a great device for the money. Also, the Vive Pro 2 doesn't use OLED screens like the Vive Pro did. I personally didn't enjoy the device and is old tech. If you were to get an HTC device you might want to check out the Vive XR Elite instead. I have never used it, but it is their latest device. As far as Apple and gaming. Apple usually doesn't have chip capable enough for good gaming, but the Vision Pro is different. It would do really great in the stand alone space and hold its own. I use my windows computer strictly for gaming and I have a Mac Mini for my day to day stuff/work. I do hope that Apple does get into the gaming area with the headset, but it will really be up to developers to make games that are great and have the ability for hand tracking (at least with this generation).
@@gamer.z3ro Thanks for the response! Although that is disappointing to hear about the Vive Pro 2, I'm glad that I heard that opinion about it. I am not very familiar with VR as far as the product availability out there, their typical release patterns, etc. Other than the Vive XR Elite, what would be the best VR headset for gaming right now? Or, are there new headsets that are set to come out later this year that would be worth waiting for? The Meta headsets and the Bigscreen Beyond are off the table for me.
So, the only real gaming heasets left would be the Vive XR Elite and possibly the Pimax Crystal. I have personally not playing with any of them so I couldn't give you my opinion. One headset that you might want to wait for would be the new Valve headset. If you look uo Valve Deckard you'll find out news about it. Deckard is the code name for the device.
I wouldn't be the right person to ask because I ordered mine back in Feb 2023 and received mine in October 2023. I know they are still ramping up production. You should get yours sooner rather than later.
20:50 I don't think BB is the forgotten child. BB was positioned as a DIY device. Everyone who bought it can probably afford to print out the strap adapters from Quest3-2. Or at the very least they have someone to ask to print them out. *** Try attaching the BoboVR M3 to the Apple Vision Pro. I assume this is a "must have" solution.
I wish companies would make accessories for the Bigscreen Beyond. I would like to have my device look good and feel good and mold injected plastic would look better than 3D printing. The issue with using the BoboVR M3 for the Vision Pro is there is not place for a connection point. The white arms on the Vision Pro seem like the silicon Apple watch bands with a thin piece of metal inside of it. If BoboVR or another company makes an M# type strap for the Vision pro it will be an amazing device.
The Meta Quest lenses are bigger because the screen behind it is larger and they didn't need to amplify the image as much as the Vision pro and Bigscreen Beyond. This is one of the reasons why the Quest lenses are the best in the industry. It doesn't have as much to amplify as the other 2 companies. The lens inserts will be large for any of the headsets. At least with the Quest 3 you can adjust the face gasket back a small amount, with the Apple Vision Pro you can use the thicker face pad, but with the Bigscreen Beyond you wouldn't have that ability.
@@gamer.z3ro No adjustment is the Problem on the Beyond but Theres less surface so the lenses will BE thinner. I know that IAM in the extrem end Here but IT sucks that ITS a Problem No one Cares about because IT affects Just very few people
@@gamer.z3rowouldnt be much of a problem if i was able to wear contacts but its sadly not an option. i currently have a valve index and with inserts, even on max eye relief setting, my eyebrows collide with the inserts. meaning i get no fov improvment due to the lenses at all. on the beyond, this could mean needing a thicker face gasket to make it fit, which would reduce the already smal fov of the beyond way more. i honestly ask myself, why lense companies even bother with -12dpt inserts, if -7 already has so much thickness that it becomes a problem
Your content is great! But if I wasn’t searching for reviews on VR, I probably wouldn’t catch your video with this thumbnail, I think if you could make a more enticing thumbnail, your video would blow up!
You say you can’t game with the Apple Vision Pro but that isn’t true you can game everything with the Apple Vision Pro you use your tv, laptop screen on it and bang you can have a gigantic screen for gaming sounds very promising to me I also want to use it to be in fully areas you can’t do this with the other vr headsets yep once the Apple Vision Pro is launches in Europe I will get it!
Yes you can do 2D gaming with the Vision Pro and some VR gaming is possible, but doing real VR gaming like on a Quest or a PCVR is not possible without some hacking and even then it is not a great experience.
7:48 I know you were about to say porn Personally I've been on the fence about the bigscreen beyond. My main worry is the cable. I have a quest 3 and tried using it with my pc using a kiwi pulley system but still feel a lot of tugging. How do you setup bsb cable?
about porn... nah man. I really was trying to think of all the content watched on the Apple Vision Pro. As for the Bigscreen Beyond... i have always had a cable so I am used to the cable and I have it on the floor and I simply don't get twisted in it. I can see how a Quest user would not want the cable. In all honesty, if you have a Quest 3... keep it and use it. Do all the PCVR gaming with it and have fun and save yourself $1,000. While the Beyond is more clear in the sweet spot the Quest 3 is the better overall buy right now. You can do sooo much more with it.
lol I was just joking but it sounded funny. yeah it's hard to justify getting the bsb. I have lighthouses and valve knuckles and have been attempting to play wired because it's significantly better latency/smoother when it comes to competitive games. But when you get used to the freedom of wireless it kind of ruins your experience for wired. I tend to move around more and turn physically more than in game, which with a cable can be a problem. I might hold off and see what Steam comes up with...@@gamer.z3ro
2 types of tracking in VR. One is using cameras like the Meta Quest devices and the Apple Vision Pro. The other is using Lighthouses to track the headset and controllers like many of the Vive Headsets, Valve Index and Bigscreen Beyond. Lighthouse tracking is the gold standard in tracking, but camera tracking is catching up and is a great alternative. For me personally, I love lighthouse tracking because I do play competitively and I want to have my headset and controllers tracked perfectly. If you buy the Quest 3 or Quest 3s or the Apple Vision Pro... you open the box and start playing instantly. If you want a Bigscreen Beyond you'll have to have Vive Wands or Valve Knuckles controllers and at least 2 Lighthouses to track everything. It just adds to the ticket price. A vast majority of people who bought the Beyond was already VR users with a Vive headset or Index headset so they already had the lighthouses and controllers. I hope that answered your question.
No the AVP is a vr headset plain and simple. Spacial computing is just a marketing tagline that describes what every vr headset does, computes and displays in space. I get your point, but it's just buying into apple marketing lingo. It's just an evolution of all the vr headsets that came before it with nothing new in terms of hardware, it's all been done somewhere already and they brought it all together into one package.
Well, I would consider the Vision Pro more of an XR device. Majority of the time you have the Vision Pro on your face you're in passthrough mode. You could change it and go into an environment, but many people will have multiple windows up and walking around their house and be in passthrough mode. Also, there isn't much to do in VR yet. Apple is one of those companies that pushes their agenda and views the world with blinders on. We the people and developers need to almost force Apple into the gaming space. As far as nothing new... you're right in that aspect. Nothing new harware wise other than having 1 chip do one thong and te other chip handle other tasks. That is new. The new part is the software. Apple really nailed it with their software.
Awesome! I hope you enjoy the device. Watch some of my earlier Beyond videos to know how to wear the device and any accessories you might want for better comfort.
I have the Quest 3, tried the Quest 3. Bro, it is... to ME, it is uncomfortable. Too much pressure on forehead after just an hour. I even get a headache... you are saying you have the same feeling with the Apple Vision Pro. It's the same for me with Quest 3. Apple Vision Pro looks to be a lot more comfortable, and I love the strap. It looks comfy, but you say it's rigid. Can it be adjusted for comfort? Also, Quest 3 has an extremely grainy pass through. It's like looking at a phone camera with a very very low resolution. The Big Screen Beyond looks super cozy, yeah. But even there, you're saying it has problems. I personally would like to try the APV. It just looks super cool. By the way, you didn't mention the weight of each device. I can see though, that the APV looks heaviest. So, not really sure which path to take....🤔 PS - No, you aren't full of crap. LOVED this review! So. Thank you. 🥽🕶👓
So, for me I HATE the stock fabric straps these VR companies try to use. I really need an aftermarket rigid strap. On my Quest 3 I have the BoboVR M3 Strap and love the comfort with that. The pain with the Apple Vision pro is on the forehead AND on the cheek. The weight just pushes down on the checks and it is irritation and gives me a headache. When other aftermarket straps comes out for the Vision Pro it will be WAY more comfortable. But as of today there really isn't anything great as an aftermarket rigid strap that helps keep the device balanced on someones head/forehead/cheeks. As for passthrough... the Quest 3 isn't bad... but its not great either. The vision Pro looks WAY more clear, but it is just really dim. I wish they could have a slighter to brighten the camera feed, but with a brighter camera feed you'll have higher persistence and have more motion blur. As far as the Bigscreen Beyond... it is my favorite device for gaming, but doesn't have some of the work/productivity features people may light. It is the more comfortable of them all because of it being the lightest headset. I just wish there were real accessories available for it instead of having to 3D print something. There is no perfect headset right now. The perfect headset would be the software of the Visions Pro with the clarity/resolution of the Vision Pro with the Pancake lenses of the Quest 3, game/app library of Meta, the Quest 3/Pro controllers and accessories for Quest devices and the lightness of the Bigscreen Beyond with lighthouse tracking... all while having SteamVR functionality.
@@gamer.z3ro cool. Yeah the pain with the Q3 is mostly on my forehead. I don't know how to work with that so it won't bother. As for the Vision Pro, I really need to try it for myself. It just looks to be the most comfy, imo. But having seen where you have it stretched to the cheek area, it does look uncomfortable there too.
Not sure where you are located, but if you're in the United States go check out your local Apple Store and they are giving demos. You'll be able to tell in their 20-30 min demo if you like the device and the comfort or not.
I wonder how much money Xbox actually made on hardware versus just making games? It might be more profitable for them to make just the games. But here is the kicker... who now challenges Playstation and pushing Playstation to be better? Thats why I like Apple Vision Pro being a success. It forces these other VR makers to be better and push the envelop. As far as Xbox and Quest teaming up... how cool would an actual Halo game on Quest be?
Sorry you feel that way. I did show each headset many times throughout the video. I didn't ant to continue to hold the product next to me at all times while talking.
They are both trying to do different things (at the moment). Apple is really pushing hard to the work/productivity and content and Meta is really focused on gaming and they are trying to get into the work/productivity. The issue with Meta is they are not using good enough screens yet.
I can tell you don't use your Quest 3 alot 😂😂😂as their is tons of productivity apps as it shares the same store as the Quest Pro and as a Apple user who relies on Apple Mac's to produce music in logic pro x thisnheadset is not the on efor musicians the Quest 3 is as I use my Quest 3 In a crazy way with my logic pro x as I can play instruments in Mixed Reality and record them straight into my soundcard and into my Logic Pro X or I can just make beats on my Quest 3 as it already has a few music production DAWs as the Quest 3 has a headphone jack $3500 device that doesn't have a headphone jack is hilarious to me Apple needs to position this headset for musicians and creatives the Quest 3 has haptic gloves treadmills and everything even Xbox
Much better than what? I mention 3 headsets on this video. In all honestly I never tried the Pico 4, but I know people who own it and all 3 of these are better in their eyes.
I can tell you don't use your Quest 3 alot 😂😂😂as their is tons of productivity apps as it shares the same store as the Quest Pro and as a Apple user who relies on Apple Mac's to produce music in logic pro x this headset is not the one for musicians the Quest 3 is as I use my Quest 3 In a crazy way with my logic pro x as I can play instruments in Mixed Reality and record them straight into my soundcard and into my Logic Pro X or I can just make beats on my Quest 3 as it already has a few music production DAWs as the Quest 3 has a headphone jack $3500 device that doesn't have a headphone jack is hilarious to me Apple needs to position this headset for musicians and creatives the Quest 3 has haptic gloves treadmills and everything even Xbox
I know there are a ton of productivity apps, but the clarity is not what it is with the Apple Vision Pro which, in my eyes, hinders people wanting to use the Quest 3 for productivity. Too much eye strain. I do think Meta will take what Apple is doing and put it into their software as well, but Apple does currently have a better software. It is pretty amazing. Especially for a first gen device.
Have you tried the device? The Apple Vision pro has the best Software, best resolution, and is best for productivity compared to these other headsets. Don't knock it until you've tried it.
It wasn't a review. In the title and description it says I am talking about each device and comparing and contrasting each device and that is exactly what I did.
PLEASE... for the love of god... LIGMA... ligma balls. Different people have different accents. If you don't like mine don't watch my videos. Plain and simple.
The best AVP review YET!! Dude, you gonna famous!! Finally, a review that I can use!
WOW!!! Thanks man. Not trying to be famous, just trying to give real info people can actually use. I just want to be informative and be different than the VR tech people who really don't use the product.
dude, wow, thank you for comparing these headsets, I own the Apple vision, Pro, and the quest, three, and I really wanted to buy the big screen beyond to use as a daily driver, your video was very honest and very informative. There hasn’t been a single video on TH-cam That’s given me, the important details needed to make a decision. I will be buying a big screen beyond because of your video, thank you so much for helping me make a decision.
Glad I was able to help. The Bigscreen Beyond is such a great SteamVR headset. I hope you enjoy! Once I get the audio strap I will be reviewing that as well so subscribe so you'll see that review. I am a fan of the rigid straps so I hope it will be more comfortable.
Great comparison. Also love the shirt - Onward is a fantastic game.
Thanks... I appreciate it. Love Onward. My favorite game to p;lay for sure.
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AVP is great because it brings more people into VR.
Bigscreen Beyond is still the best IMO
The Bigscreen has some real compromises in the optics. I returned mine (72mm IPD).
Apple Vision Pro will bring more people to the VR industry and more devs will start creating awesome apps because of Apple. The whole industry will be better because of Apple jumping in and people stealing ideas from Apple.
I still love my Beyond though as a gamer.
Sorry to hear you didn't like your Beyond. I do hope you find the right headset for yourself.
How in all heck does avp bring “mOrE PeoPLe” to vr exactly?
It’s NOT a vr device and it costs 3500 dollars!?!?
You must be joking.
Well, many people who have never tried VR or AR will buy the device simply because it is an Apple product. Also, there are sooo many Apple Stores where people can walk in and try the device. See how cool it could be and either buy a Vision Pro or possibly buy a Quest 3 instead because it is cheaper. Right now where else can people try VR? Some Best Buy stores... such... but where else? Simply Apple having this device will garner more attention to the general public and people will know what VR and AR and XR is. Then you mention it is not a VR device. I can agree, but there are many VR aspects to it. Hvae you tried the Vision Pro? Have you gone into one of their environments? Hva eyou downloaded the Disney App and gone into one of their environments? You can make it 100% immersive (so VR).
For $3500 the Vision Pro isn't worth it in its current state and the lack of the right apps for it, but 1-3 years from now it should be an amazing device.
I know this is 9 months ago now but kinda funny right here 20:39 where you showed the quest most accessories and then you said “the quest is second” so like the quest is the 1 and second, I’m pretty sure you meant the apple for second
That is my mistake.
@@gamer.z3ro it’s not a big deal just thought it was kinda funny
Yeah... I tend to have those kinds of mistake at my age. LOL.
I got my Quest 3 for $280 and its the best thing I bought this year. I'm super happy with what I can do with it. What needs to happen is the quality of vr content that's currently available right now. Not all content are high resolution. The ones that are will be the ones that help drive the vr industry.
I tend to agree. There are games like Gorilla Tag that are HUGE and lack graphics, but generally the biggest games are the ones who push the envelop graphically and push the industry forward.
try "quest game optimizer". on some older quest 1 games I can run at 5k resolution 120hz natively on quest 3
I bought a Quest 3 also, about a month ago, and I've looked at a lot of the environments, short 3D films (both photographic and others using computer graphics), "The Faceless Lady" horror series, a few simple games, etc., and found the resolution and lighting to be lacking in a lot of these productions, below what many other productions I've looked at on the Quest 3 can display. A lot of these were produced starting some time around 2020, before even the Quest 2 was available, and even earlier in the case of the NASA films and some others, so that might partly explain the poor image quality of these earlier productions, though I'm guessing that good 3D cameras were available at that time, but apparently not good enough when you're blowing up those visuals to the big virtual window sizes that you can get with these headsets. Too many productions are also darker than the Quest 3 can display, and sometimes this seems to be an attempt to reduce the amount of detail that the Quest 3 has to display, but then other productions show significantly more detail without being too dark. The quality of the visuals really varies all over the map, from one production to another, and sometimes even in the same production. So better production values are needed, and maybe some better 3D camera equipment too.
A ton of content is dumbed down for Quest devices. Have you ever played a Quest native game and then played the same game PCVR with your Quest? Makes a world of difference. Also, some content back from 2016-2020 wasn't the greatest as they were all still figuring out what works with VR. Different panels and lenses (LCD or OLED and pancake, aspheric or pancake lenses) will cause the content to look a certain way.
I also watched content on the Quest 3 and on the Apple Vision Pro and the Vision Pro was lights out a better quality video. Both standalone devices, but Apple has a better processor and OLED panels with higher resolution.
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Thanks! I appreciate it.
Very-very nice video. You know, I appreciate simply shot n edited videos like this. The tempo is just right. You take longer time to express your thoughts clearly, and I have more time to think through what youre telling me. Too much quick editing going on on bigger youtube channels. Find myself pausing the videos or rewinding. Not here tho. So good on you, m8. Thought Id mention it👍
I appreciate the feedback. I really strive to give my thoughts as best as possible as a VR gamer and try to answer questions that would be important to me. Glad you enjoy my videos. Thank you very much.
10:06 That's something I like. The other headsets feel like they're stuck in an ecosystem akin to a smartphone. So much computing power, that you cannot use to run anything a computer can run
The Bigscreen Beyond set out to be a Small PCVR headset with great optics and that is exactly what they did. However, I do like that you can use the Quest 3 in stand alone mode or can do PCVR (wired or wireless).
I feel like Meta has the biggest library of games and Pimax nor HTC will ever touch Meta with their library of games. It is similar to smartphones like you said.
You totally picked the three best headsets available at the moment.
HAHA. Well that was the point. I am trying to make content that people want to know about. Those are the 3 biggest headsets at the moment and I wanted to compare and contrast those headsets so people knew what the pros and cons of each headset were.
@@gamer.z3ro I know that's the point, I was applauding your choices.
Thanks man. Just trying my best. I appreciate it.
nope, one of the best is still the pico 4 but this so called vr tuber avoid it like the plague because it does better clarity, better fov, with one of the best lenses for 399 $, disrupting all theses 3
@@Tigerhearty Ok.
While watching this video and listening to the gaming section, I was coming here to complain that you skimmed over the whole virtual reality, gaming part. But when I got to the end and I saw that you went for the quest three I was relieved. I agree with you wholeheartedly! Apple Vision Pro is great for virtual watching point blank. I spend anywhere from 4 to 7 hours a day with my quest three in virtual reality, playing games and experiencing things that can’t be done with an apple Vision Pro. I’m glad that you gave a balance review, because most reviewers are skipping over that part.
I am glad you liked the video. I am a VR gamer at heart. Between the 3 devices I feel they have pros and cons to them, but the overall best choice for gaming is the Quest 3. You can use it standalone or PCVR gaming and there are some cool apps coming out for productivity as well. I use my Bigscreen Beyond as my daily driver, but the Quest 3 is slowing taking over that spot because of the ease of use, wireless PCVR and I really love the Pro controllers.
Dude about the lenses on the Quest 3, you are right on the nail. I started a few years back on the Quest 1 when it came out and upgraded to the Quest 2 the second it came out. The second I put my Quest 3 on, it was leaps and bounds better in terms of lenses, clarity and comfort. I found myself adjusting my Quest 2 constantly and it was annoying but still bearable as I had never tried anything better. Now with the Quest 3 I literally put in one in one second and its clear, and I can play for hours without adjusting it at all. It is amazing what only some new lenses can do. If the Quest 3 Lite ever comes true, I hope the rumors about returning to fresnel lenses aren't true and they can get the price down for pancake lenses because I now truly believe they are essential.
Lenses can make a HUGE difference. Meta's pancake lenses are the best in the business right now. I hope they scrap the Quest 3 lite and just continue to sell the Quest 2. Then they can really go after the high end market and create a new Pro model to compete with the Apple Vision pro. The clarity on the Vision Pro would be EPIC to game with.
fantastic review! i just got the quest 3, and had been considering these other two, but will probably hold out until apple releases another cheaper device. my favorite usage for VR would be for content/productivity and not gaming, but i have seen some apps for that on quest like immersion or fluid, so hopefully that can do the job for now.
I do think the Apple Vision Pro will be amazing in the years to come, just need to developers to come and build for it. Apple's approach is if they build it (the device) devs will come. haha
Big screen beyond lenses are closer to your eye. That’s why it has similar field of view. VR only sucks because of how front heavy it is. Not sure why Apple and oculus don’t do like big screen and then just put the battery processor and speakers behind your head.
I agree that they should both do that. I'm surprised that there are not more companies that are doing aftermarket Apple Vision Pro head straps with a spot for the battery in the back of the strap. It just makes sense, but no one is really doing it.
I was skeptical on getting big screen beyond. But watching your videos gave me a lot of info. Thanks man
If you do end up getting a Beyond I hope you enjoy it. It really is a good device. It has it quirks for sure, but I really enjoy the device for PCVR gaming.
Don’t forget about the Visor which is really more for spacial computing but it has 6Dof and does both wired and wireless. It may not work with PCVR out of the box but for oled high refresh classic and true immerse and passthrough, for classes and under $800 it’s gonna be a win.
If it comes out and if it has great software then it will be a cool product. I will certainly try to get my hands on one of them to review if possible.
I'm happy with my Quest 3 honestly. I mainly use it in bed watching youtube or scrolling through social media
The Quest 3 is a really darn good headset. I have been playing VR 50% of the time with the Bigscreen Beyond and the other 50% with the Quest 3. I am actually getting ready to do a few Quest 3 PCVR videos and some accessories I use. I really like both headsets differently... I wish there was a Beyond form factor & resolution with Quest 3 optics. Would be a sweet headset.
Glad to see improvements I have the Quest Pro and it sucks
I have the Quest Pro as well and I think it was a disappointment. Hardly any aftermarket accessories for it and for the price the resolution wasn't enough. The Quest 3 is a much better product. It doesn't have eye tracking or face tracking, but I didn't use those features with the games I play. The Quest 3 is a great device. I personally have started using the Bigscreen Beyond more and more and the Quest 3 less and less because of the weight, form factor and higher resolution. I am really hoping Valve does something amazing with their next headset as the industry needs to be pushed forward.
I've been looking for a video like this for a while. I have a Quest 3 and I realllly want OLED so I'm looking at the BSB. I'm a PC gamer.
The Quest 3 is really amazing. The lenses are the best in the biz right now. The Bigscreen Beyond is excellent for comfort and lighthouse tracking VR. I have been personally using both devices. I like the lenses of the Quest 3... being wireless & the Quest Pro controllers, but the added clarity, size and weight of the Beyond. There are pros and cons to both devices.
steam VR is already possible on the apple vision pro using index controllers. Once it's further fine-tuned, it will be the best device in every category IMO!
Yes, it is possible but it isn't a great solution. Too many issues with the continuous tracking and stuff in my eyes. I just hope that either Apple finally realizes the money it could make if it goes full fledged VR and allows dev to port their games to Apple.
Great video. I am still waiting for my bigscreen beyond, but i've been using ALVR to play PCVR on my AVP. I played the entirety of Vertigo 2 on it and it was glorious. Can't wait to see how the beyond stacks up! Still love my quest 3 for standalone and virtual desktop.
I really hope you like the Bigscreen Beyond. If you do enjoy it PLEASE get the audio strap. It makes a big difference in comfort. As far as visuals... the AVP will be the best for sure. If you wear the Beyond correctly (and have the right IPD) you'll have the glare on the lower part of your vision, but for me it is not distracting... but some cannot get over it. Please come back and let me know how you like all 3 headsets and rank them in order of best or worst in your opinion.
@@gamer.z3ro will do! I have a halo strap on the AVP but I got the beyond bc of the size. My main complaint so far for the AVP using ALVR is the software isn’t great yet so the connection can lag a bit but virtual desktop for quest 3 is flawless for me. I’m hoping the beyond can get closer to the visuals of the AVP but more stable with the wired connection. I’ll let you know once I get it!
@@gamer.z3ro also i did order the audio strap too. I think I’ll be ok with glare. AVP has some of those issues in the dark environments and doesn’t really bother me.
@@djnoelbVRapparently the glare is much worse on the BSB but in time you adapt to it.
I’m debating getting one but I’m so afraid if I do valve will announce their next headset by the time my BSB arrives. Valve hardly ever releases crap especially not in hardware.
When are you supposed to get your BSB? I’d like to know your thoughts on it as well
@@Mar-5016 That's what I hear, but I've experienced glare on some other headsets but it's not really something that bothers me too much. If valve announces a headset I will for sure check it out, but it hasn't even been announced yet. I ordered my BSB beginning of May, but they just sent an email out saying that they got a lot of stock in and for the more common IPD's those should be shipped out pretty quickly by July? Who knows lol
I love the AVP for PCVR but I wish there was some way to directly connect instead of it stream to the headset. The connection is good like 95% of the time but every once in a while experience some compression or lag or stutter. If it was as solid as virtual desktop then I'd be ok. This was my main reason for wanting to BSB so I can directly connect and have high fidelity displays.
Once I get it i'll let you know how it goes!
Great content man! Keep it up 👍🏻 don’t stop don’t stop!! Go go go!!!
Thank you very much! I appreciate it!
I dont use the face plate with bobovr headstrap. I can VR game for hours on end without face fatigue on quest 3. I turned off 100hz refresh on quest as well. battery charges headset well with the bobovr.
I LOVE the BoboVR headstraps. Always seem like a quality product, but I know they came out with the S3 headstrap that has a bigger battery to fully power the Quest 3.
Amazing review, thanks man
Thank you! I appreciate the support.
Hey, I'm looking for the BOBOVR Elite head strap that you mentioned for my BSB, but it doesn't show up on searches. Discontinued or is the name right? Would any current offering work? (BOBOVR M1 Plus looks similar?) I'd love to get the print files if available. Thanks for the reviews, very informative. I need controllers too, which do you use the most with the BSB? The elastic headstrap on the BSB is just not up there with the product and the cable clip? **** , it is just beyond belief that the strap and cable clip made it through any form of user QA. My eyelashes mist up the custom lenses. The face mask magnets don't hold it into the chassis firmly enough for when you are handling the headset off the face, a half or a third of it will just flop around when you pick it up. Like others have said, a little bit bigger would have been better for USA sized faces . But hey, I am an engineer, so I'm extra critical, YMMV.
For the Elite strap I mention you would be looking for the M1, M2 or M3 from BoboVR. As far as the 3D printed parts, I don't have them or the files. I have a friend who printed them and sent them to me. However, I 100% suggest to just get the Bigscreen Audio Strap instead or doing the BoboVR stuff. It is a much better solution and the sound is really good.
As far as controllers... I might not be the right person to ask. I still use the Viive Wands. I never really liked the finger tracking on the Valve controllers. Majority of the VR community would rather have the Valve controllers over the Vive wands which is why I first said I might not be the best person to ask. If you have ever used Meta's controllers you might want to consider the Pimax sword controllers. Very similar shape and hand placement, but with the lighthouse tracking ring over your wrist.
As far as the elastic head strap... I understand why they did it. They were really focused on the VRChat community and being able to lay down comfortably and sleep with it and watch movies with it. I just personally feel they didn't take into account the vast majority of VR users who never use their headset for movies or VRChat or laying down. If you look at those who got to try out the headset during development... they are all VRChat people.
I will be making a 1 year of ownership video soon and also making a wish list for a Beyond 2 video shortly thereafter.
@@gamer.z3ro Thanks for your reply, sound advice.
I have to agree that the Quest 3 for most people makes the most sense. Don't have my beyond yet (next month cant cone soon enough) but after trying a demo if the Quest at my local Best Buy the clarity is crazy. Sounds like I'll have to demo the AVP as well. Thanks for the vid.
If you like the clarity of the Quest 3, you'll like the Bigscreen Beyond even better and I think you might be blown away by the clarity of the Vision Pro. For a stand alone device to be that amazing is unheard of.
Please let me know how it goes I’m trying to figure out which headset I would like better
If you have the SteamVR tracking lighthouses and controllers get the Bigscreen Beyond. If not, get the Quest 3. I cannot recommend the Apple Vision Pro because you cannot game on it (yet) and the comfort is terrible.
@@FuriousKai Finally have my unit in hand! For me it's almost a perfect upgrade from my index. The glare isn't as bad as I expected. I'll have to get a new cushion/modify my current one. I will never be able to go back to a headset heavier than this. OLED is a game changer. Resolution is very crisp. The strap is meh but I pulled the AMVR Quest 2 soft strap attachment and it made a big difference.
TL:DR I like it a lot. Very happy with my purchase.
@@snoopythemage919 I actually just got mine too I honestly don’t see to much of a difference but the lenses are much better and hand tracking is pretty good, downsides are the grainy camera quality it always looks dark when you’re in the light. And if you’re going stand-alone they’ve yet to update games to utilize the quest 3 full power
I have a question, what headset has the best quality to demo 180° VR videos to clients? We want to shoot more and more 180° VR videos in the future but we want to be able to show it to future prospects without any hassle. Apple vision pro has the best quality but it's not suitable for client demos since every headset is adapted for personal use, or am I mistaken ? In other words which headset is the easiest and most hasslefree for 180° VR video demo use? Thanks
In my opinion it would be the Meta Quest 3, BUT you could start running into a memory issue with the Quest depending on the video file sizes and such. If the Apple Vision Pro wasn't so user specific with IPD and such I would say the Vision Pro. Also, with the Quest 3 you can cast to your iPhone or iPad and see exactly what the user in the device is seeing. This way you can tell what part of the video they like or dislike, which emotions is shown during different areas of the videos, etc..
I hope this answered your question.
@@gamer.z3ro So the Big Screen Beyond is out of the question ?
100% out of the question because the Bigscreen Beyond has a fixed IPD. That means the screens are in a fixed position and do not move. So, if you bought a Bigscreen Beyond with a 62 IPD it will only look good to those with a 62 IPD and look blurry to everyone else.
@@gamer.z3ro That's good to know. It seems to me that the only headset suitable for client demo's is the quest am I right? Is it possible to change the IPD on the quest and adapted it to a person.
The Apple Vision pro and Quest 3 both have IPD adjustments. Apple's takes longer and requires more customers input... the Quest 3 is simply a slider on the bottom of the headset that the customer would either widen or shorten the lenses to see more clearly. The Quest 3 is cheaper as well. There is an app called "The Spatial App" on the Quest App Store where you can turn a Quest 3 into a decent version of the Apple Vision Pro. I would 100% go with a Quest 3. Maybe a second gen Vision Pro will be easier and better, but right now it isn't fully there.
Trivia: I think someone might have mentioned it already in the comments, the displayed Hz/hertz value is the refresh rate.
Yes sir.
How close would you say is the quest2, the quest 3 and the beyond each subjectively compared to using a Monitor like a g9 in terms of fidelity and far away details in %?
I personally HATE the Quest 2. Not a fan of anything about it. However, the Quest 3 is a damn good headset. I personally love playing PCVR wirelessly. I would say I use my Beyond 50% of the time and the Quest 3 50% of the time. As far as monitors... I really couldn't tell you because I don't do any pancake games... I only do VR gaming. In the sweet spot, the Beyond is the best... but overall the lenses on the Quest 3 are the best.
Very little content about Beyond in recent months. I would love to see the difference in OLED and LCD screens. And If there is such an experience, the difference in feel between watching OLED monitor/TV and OLED in Beyond.
Also interested - how much can the Beyond be upgraded to. If we attach to it face tracking cameras and external cameras for hand tracking - will it get closer to Apple Vision in comfort of use, although it is very difficult.
There hasn't been much content because once a product is not new and shiny the TH-camrs stop talking about. My personally, I moved and that caused a 3 months where I didn't get a chance to do much. I will be doing a few videos this week or next week (depending on my work schedule) and going through a few custom maps in Onward.
I personally do not know of an experience to tell the difference between LCD and OLED. If you currently have an Index (for instance) or a Quest 2, 3 or Pro and go to a dark scene... it is grayed out and not actually black. With OLED it would be pitch black and on a per pixel basis. It is just more real life in that aspect.
As far as upgrading the Beyond to be more like the Vision Pro... it isn't really possible. No passthrough and there is almost no way to have cameras for passthrough and eye tracking and hand tracking all linked up to the Beyond and have it all be powered unless you have a ton of wires going from your computer to the headset. Then software wise there would have to be software created to make the Beyond be more like the Vision Pro. When buying all of that stuff and the headset you should have just bought a Vision Pro instead.
@@gamer.z3ro Thanks for the detailed reply. If I had a lot of spare money, I would certainly buy the Vision Pro. But now I'm closer to trying to do it myself. Good thing they already made eye tracking for Beyond. When I get it, I'll try to improve it. That's what I like about this helmet. It's pretty customisable. I hope there will be a big community to improve Beyond.
Are you apart of the Bigscreen Beyond Discord community? If not, certain get in their discord. Tons of people always coming up with cool ideas to mod the device.
@@gamer.z3ro I'm in the discord channel. But I don't read much of what people write. Thanks for the advice. Will definitely look into it soon)
Hey what do you think Is better for gaming the quest 3 or big screen beyond
Well, I believe that if you already have lighthouses for tracking a SteamVR controllers (Index Knuckles or Vive Wands) that you should by the Bigscreen Beyond. However, for the price point the Quest 3 is amazing. You get all of your SteamVR library AND all of the Meta library games/apps. I like the price point of the Quest 3 and all of the accessories made for it, but I LOVE the lightweight design of the Bigscreen Beyond and the extra resolution in the sweet spot.
How would you compare the image clarity of the beyond and the vision pro? I've been wanting to buy a beyond for a little bit now. But I just tried the vision pro today and was very impressed by the clarity. Is the beyond anywhere near as clear?
So, the Apple Vision pro has a resolution of around 3800x3100 per eye and the Bigscreen Beyond is 2560x2560 per eye (at 75hz). It is sooo darn clear... I wish I could play some SteamVR games with the Vision Pro. Right now Apple is the king when it come to that kind of clarity. I am going to try and get a Varjo XR4 to try out (when available for consumers) and that will be Vision Pro level of clarity. The Bigscreen Beyond is a great device and I personally love it, but it does have a small sweet spot and wearing it does take a lot of getting used to because of how to face gasket is around your eyes and not on your forehead and cheeks like other headsets. BUT the lightweight aspect of the headset is really amazing.
If the vision pro's clarity was a 9/10, how would you rate the beyond's clarity? But thank you for your insight. Very much appreciated@@gamer.z3ro
Lets say the Valve Index clarity is a 5... the Quest 3 is a 7, the Bigscreen Beyond would be an 8 and because there isn't really anything better than the Vision Pro currently we would give that a 10.
dude amazing vid. subbed B)
Thanks! I appreciate the feedback. Glad you enjoyed the video.
That onward shirt makes me miss the good old days of when that game used to be good before meta bought it.
I do agree that the game was better when it was PC only, but there are a few good custom map makers that are really pushing the limits for PC users graphics. Bluega (you probably know him as he has played Onward for years) is a map maker and makes some of the best maps graphically. I am actually going to make a few videos walking through some of the custom Onward maps. Those videos should be out within the week.
I mainly play skyrimvr, elite dangerous, no mans sky, DCS, P3D & MSFA in vr and am I'm spoilt by oled screens. I just cant stand grey areas when its suppose to be dark so I'm thinking the bigscreen beyond is for me coming from a Vive Pro with modified pancake lenses,
You will LOVE the OLED on the Bigscreen Beyond. Seems like you did the GearVR lens mod to your Vive Pro. I did as well. I will say that with the Beyond you won't have the screen door effect like you're having now and no distortion like you probably have now as well, BUT those lenses gave a pretty darn great edge to edge clarity and the Beyond won't be as great as that. You'll also love the comfort once you get used to the face gasket.
@@gamer.z3ro Thanks for the reply. I really like your no nonsense format/content. I've found the vive pro with the new lenses to be pretty good. I look forward to the higher resolution and no screendoor of the BSB. I'm not too worried about the smaller sweet spot. Those original Fresnel lenses of the HTC kit were horrid. I'm thinking I'm going to have to upgrade the my 6900XT gpu. Maybe a 7900XTX.
I appreciate the feedback. I'm trying to be as honest about my opinion and answers questions I feel people would be asking if it were a face to face convo.
Try it out with your current GPU before you buy. No sense in buying a new GPU if you can run it at 75 hz fully.
I hope you enjoy the headset!
I want to see someone hook up a raspberry pi with a camera and vrheadtrack to add AR to the BSB headset. I think the hardest part would be the software but I think someone could make something really great with the hardware.
That would be really cool if someone could get that figured out.
My "wants" for the Beyond 2 would be: Epic passthough, higher resolution, eye tracking with foveated rendering and a better sweet spot/lenses. I know this will make the beyond bigger, but i think the Bigscreen team could get all of this into the device and have it still weigh less than a Quest 3. I would assume they could have it weigh approx 350 grams
@@gamer.z3ro yeah I'm really interested in what they can do with gen2 to add features but keep the size down still.
I assume it will have to be bigger than what it is now, but still smaller than nearly every other headset.
I've been streaming my pc games to the Vision Pro, playing on a giant screen via Moonlight and it's been pretty damn epic. It absolutely kills my Quest 3 in terms of fidelity and detail.
You talking the Mount Hood environment? Yeah, at night it looks EPIC. Playing regular 2D games is cool on the Vision Pro, but we would LOVE to play SteamVR games with the Vision Pro. To me, not being able to play VR games and the comfort is really my only issues with the device. The rest of the device is a home run.
@@gamer.z3ro I meant the Moonlight app for streaming pc games. They have a testflight right now for a native app for the Vision pro that allows for 4k@60 or 90. Also, it's hack but SteamVR is working on the Vision Pro for people who like to tinker, own a Mac and have lighthouses.
I appreciate your take as a gamer! That is the right trio of headsets to compare. Agree with your conclusion, Quest 3 is my daily driver for VRChat FBT. Beyond didn't work well with my wide IPD.
I love my Bigscreen Beyond. For me it is my daily driver headset, but I already had the lighthouses and controllers so $1,000 was not crazy for my to spend on a headset only. For someone new to VR to spend $300+ on controllers, $300+ on lighthouses and then spend $1,000 on a headset is a pretty big ask. For the ease of use and for the money the Quest 3 is an amazing product and an amazing buy.
I did the Vive deluxe audio strap mod for Quest 3. As would be expected, the comfort is amazing now. I also have a Vive Pro Eye because I love OLED for the black levels (after being an Index user for years). Have you tried the Quest 3 with the cable to the PC yet? I have only used it for SteamVR via Virtual Desktop so far, and curious is the clarity and latency way better with the cable? I've just been too lazy to set it up that way. Also do you think the Bigscreen beyond would blow me away compared to the Vive Pro Eye? Rocking a 4080 so I have the power, but seems the waiting times are in the months at this point.
Using the cable will help with latency and you'll have more steady frames per second (in my uses that I have done). You will want to toy with the dev settings in your computer files to get the best experience. There are some videos on TH-cam with people smarter than myself that can show you what to do.
As far as the Bigscreen Beyond, I personally like it over the Quest 3 for the lightweight comfort, the lighthouse tracking and the beautiful OLED colors, BUT if you already have a Quest 3 you won't be blown away with the extra clarity. It is an upgrade, but is that upgrade worth another $1,000? That would be up to you and what you want to spend your money on. You should see a good upgrade from the Vive Pro Eye to the Quest 3... that is a pretty good jump in clarity.
@@gamer.z3ro thanks I appreciate that perspective. I’m going to stop being lazy and hook it up with the cable so I can see the full potential. It’s so hard though isn’t it when everything works great wirelessly. I’m just one of those people that can see that slight amount of latency when you’re running it wirelessly.
I can notice the latency and the slight pixelation when the wifi signal drops for a second. If you already have a cable, try it. Can't hurt. You might think the trade off isn't worth it and stick to wireless.
Great video! Couple of things... First, you mentioned the HTC Vive Pro in your video, and that it was not one that you would recommend. I do want to clarify, were you talking about the Vive Pro 2? I am currently looking for a VR headset primarily for gaming, although productivity and watching content would be something I'd enjoy as well. Out of all the headsets currently available, the HTC Vive Pro 2 seems like the best one. I am not interested in any of the Meta headsets; not because I don't like the headsets themselves, but because I don't like Meta as a company. If you were not talking about the Vive Pro 2, how does that compare to these other ones in your opinion?
Second, I do really hope that Apple continues to improve their attention to gaming. If MacOS was just as good for gaming as Windows, I would have said goodbye to Windows/Microsoft a long time ago, as MacOS is my favorite operating system by far. If I had the money I would definitely still get a Vision Pro for the content consumption. I'm just hoping that they bring gaming to it over time, because that would be a whole new level of amazing.
Third, for heavens sake, it's pronounced "ax-ess-ories," not "assess-ories!" 😂
Jokes aside, very good and informative video. Keep it up!
So, I was talking about the Vive Pro. I had the Vive Pro 2 for about a week and returned it. It was a major flop for HTC. The vertical FOV is trash, still using fresnel lenses is just not a great device for the money. Also, the Vive Pro 2 doesn't use OLED screens like the Vive Pro did. I personally didn't enjoy the device and is old tech. If you were to get an HTC device you might want to check out the Vive XR Elite instead. I have never used it, but it is their latest device.
As far as Apple and gaming. Apple usually doesn't have chip capable enough for good gaming, but the Vision Pro is different. It would do really great in the stand alone space and hold its own. I use my windows computer strictly for gaming and I have a Mac Mini for my day to day stuff/work.
I do hope that Apple does get into the gaming area with the headset, but it will really be up to developers to make games that are great and have the ability for hand tracking (at least with this generation).
@@gamer.z3ro Thanks for the response! Although that is disappointing to hear about the Vive Pro 2, I'm glad that I heard that opinion about it. I am not very familiar with VR as far as the product availability out there, their typical release patterns, etc. Other than the Vive XR Elite, what would be the best VR headset for gaming right now? Or, are there new headsets that are set to come out later this year that would be worth waiting for? The Meta headsets and the Bigscreen Beyond are off the table for me.
So, the only real gaming heasets left would be the Vive XR Elite and possibly the Pimax Crystal. I have personally not playing with any of them so I couldn't give you my opinion. One headset that you might want to wait for would be the new Valve headset. If you look uo Valve Deckard you'll find out news about it. Deckard is the code name for the device.
i ordered my big screen beyond back in November and it still has not come how long did yours take
I wouldn't be the right person to ask because I ordered mine back in Feb 2023 and received mine in October 2023. I know they are still ramping up production. You should get yours sooner rather than later.
I ordered mine in December and got email to scan my face last week.
Enjoy the Beyond!
we ordered two of these in november too...they are telling us we will have them either mid to late march.
Awesome! I hope you enjoy the headsets!
Thanks
You're welcome
Great Video!
Thank you. I appreciate you watching and your comment!
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I don't think BB is the forgotten child.
BB was positioned as a DIY device.
Everyone who bought it can probably afford to print out the strap adapters from Quest3-2.
Or at the very least they have someone to ask to print them out.
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Try attaching the BoboVR M3 to the Apple Vision Pro.
I assume this is a "must have" solution.
I wish companies would make accessories for the Bigscreen Beyond. I would like to have my device look good and feel good and mold injected plastic would look better than 3D printing.
The issue with using the BoboVR M3 for the Vision Pro is there is not place for a connection point. The white arms on the Vision Pro seem like the silicon Apple watch bands with a thin piece of metal inside of it. If BoboVR or another company makes an M# type strap for the Vision pro it will be an amazing device.
big lenses are always bad for me. iam severly nearsighted, a bigger lense, means big prescription insert, and big surfaces will have protuding edges.
The Meta Quest lenses are bigger because the screen behind it is larger and they didn't need to amplify the image as much as the Vision pro and Bigscreen Beyond. This is one of the reasons why the Quest lenses are the best in the industry. It doesn't have as much to amplify as the other 2 companies. The lens inserts will be large for any of the headsets. At least with the Quest 3 you can adjust the face gasket back a small amount, with the Apple Vision Pro you can use the thicker face pad, but with the Bigscreen Beyond you wouldn't have that ability.
@@gamer.z3ro No adjustment is the Problem on the Beyond but Theres less surface so the lenses will BE thinner. I know that IAM in the extrem end Here but IT sucks that ITS a Problem No one Cares about because IT affects Just very few people
Sorry to hear of the issue.
@@gamer.z3rowouldnt be much of a problem if i was able to wear contacts but its sadly not an option. i currently have a valve index and with inserts, even on max eye relief setting, my eyebrows collide with the inserts. meaning i get no fov improvment due to the lenses at all. on the beyond, this could mean needing a thicker face gasket to make it fit, which would reduce the already smal fov of the beyond way more. i honestly ask myself, why lense companies even bother with -12dpt inserts, if -7 already has so much thickness that it becomes a problem
Your content is great! But if I wasn’t searching for reviews on VR, I probably wouldn’t catch your video with this thumbnail, I think if you could make a more enticing thumbnail, your video would blow up!
Well, I will certainly try to make a better thumbnail today and see what happens.
You say you can’t game with the Apple Vision Pro but that isn’t true you can game everything with the Apple Vision Pro you use your tv, laptop screen on it and bang you can have a gigantic screen for gaming sounds very promising to me I also want to use it to be in fully areas you can’t do this with the other vr headsets yep once the Apple Vision Pro is launches in Europe I will get it!
Yes you can do 2D gaming with the Vision Pro and some VR gaming is possible, but doing real VR gaming like on a Quest or a PCVR is not possible without some hacking and even then it is not a great experience.
@@gamer.z3ro oh yeah like real vr gaming but if I do vr gaming I just use the ps vr or vr2
7:48 I know you were about to say porn
Personally I've been on the fence about the bigscreen beyond. My main worry is the cable. I have a quest 3 and tried using it with my pc using a kiwi pulley system but still feel a lot of tugging. How do you setup bsb cable?
about porn... nah man. I really was trying to think of all the content watched on the Apple Vision Pro.
As for the Bigscreen Beyond... i have always had a cable so I am used to the cable and I have it on the floor and I simply don't get twisted in it. I can see how a Quest user would not want the cable. In all honesty, if you have a Quest 3... keep it and use it. Do all the PCVR gaming with it and have fun and save yourself $1,000. While the Beyond is more clear in the sweet spot the Quest 3 is the better overall buy right now. You can do sooo much more with it.
lol I was just joking but it sounded funny. yeah it's hard to justify getting the bsb. I have lighthouses and valve knuckles and have been attempting to play wired because it's significantly better latency/smoother when it comes to competitive games. But when you get used to the freedom of wireless it kind of ruins your experience for wired. I tend to move around more and turn physically more than in game, which with a cable can be a problem. I might hold off and see what Steam comes up with...@@gamer.z3ro
Makes perfect sense. I am really looking forward to what Valve does with their next headset too.
wtf is a lighthouse ecosystem and how do I know if I want to be part of it
2 types of tracking in VR. One is using cameras like the Meta Quest devices and the Apple Vision Pro. The other is using Lighthouses to track the headset and controllers like many of the Vive Headsets, Valve Index and Bigscreen Beyond. Lighthouse tracking is the gold standard in tracking, but camera tracking is catching up and is a great alternative.
For me personally, I love lighthouse tracking because I do play competitively and I want to have my headset and controllers tracked perfectly.
If you buy the Quest 3 or Quest 3s or the Apple Vision Pro... you open the box and start playing instantly. If you want a Bigscreen Beyond you'll have to have Vive Wands or Valve Knuckles controllers and at least 2 Lighthouses to track everything. It just adds to the ticket price. A vast majority of people who bought the Beyond was already VR users with a Vive headset or Index headset so they already had the lighthouses and controllers.
I hope that answered your question.
No the AVP is a vr headset plain and simple. Spacial computing is just a marketing tagline that describes what every vr headset does, computes and displays in space. I get your point, but it's just buying into apple marketing lingo. It's just an evolution of all the vr headsets that came before it with nothing new in terms of hardware, it's all been done somewhere already and they brought it all together into one package.
Well, I would consider the Vision Pro more of an XR device. Majority of the time you have the Vision Pro on your face you're in passthrough mode. You could change it and go into an environment, but many people will have multiple windows up and walking around their house and be in passthrough mode. Also, there isn't much to do in VR yet. Apple is one of those companies that pushes their agenda and views the world with blinders on. We the people and developers need to almost force Apple into the gaming space.
As far as nothing new... you're right in that aspect. Nothing new harware wise other than having 1 chip do one thong and te other chip handle other tasks. That is new. The new part is the software. Apple really nailed it with their software.
I went with Beyond.
Awesome! I hope you enjoy the device. Watch some of my earlier Beyond videos to know how to wear the device and any accessories you might want for better comfort.
the pico 4 is still better then all theses 3 price performance to resolution and lenses wise.
You think so? I think the Quest 3 would be better than the Pico 4 as far as controllers, software, library of apps, and accessories available for it.
I have the Quest 3, tried the Quest 3. Bro, it is... to ME, it is uncomfortable. Too much pressure on forehead after just an hour. I even get a headache... you are saying you have the same feeling with the Apple Vision Pro. It's the same for me with Quest 3. Apple Vision Pro looks to be a lot more comfortable, and I love the strap. It looks comfy, but you say it's rigid. Can it be adjusted for comfort? Also, Quest 3 has an extremely grainy pass through. It's like looking at a phone camera with a very very low resolution.
The Big Screen Beyond looks super cozy, yeah. But even there, you're saying it has problems. I personally would like to try the APV. It just looks super cool. By the way, you didn't mention the weight of each device. I can see though, that the APV looks heaviest. So, not really sure which path to take....🤔
PS - No, you aren't full of crap. LOVED this review! So. Thank you.
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So, for me I HATE the stock fabric straps these VR companies try to use. I really need an aftermarket rigid strap. On my Quest 3 I have the BoboVR M3 Strap and love the comfort with that.
The pain with the Apple Vision pro is on the forehead AND on the cheek. The weight just pushes down on the checks and it is irritation and gives me a headache. When other aftermarket straps comes out for the Vision Pro it will be WAY more comfortable. But as of today there really isn't anything great as an aftermarket rigid strap that helps keep the device balanced on someones head/forehead/cheeks.
As for passthrough... the Quest 3 isn't bad... but its not great either. The vision Pro looks WAY more clear, but it is just really dim. I wish they could have a slighter to brighten the camera feed, but with a brighter camera feed you'll have higher persistence and have more motion blur.
As far as the Bigscreen Beyond... it is my favorite device for gaming, but doesn't have some of the work/productivity features people may light. It is the more comfortable of them all because of it being the lightest headset. I just wish there were real accessories available for it instead of having to 3D print something.
There is no perfect headset right now. The perfect headset would be the software of the Visions Pro with the clarity/resolution of the Vision Pro with the Pancake lenses of the Quest 3, game/app library of Meta, the Quest 3/Pro controllers and accessories for Quest devices and the lightness of the Bigscreen Beyond with lighthouse tracking... all while having SteamVR functionality.
@@gamer.z3ro cool. Yeah the pain with the Q3 is mostly on my forehead. I don't know how to work with that so it won't bother. As for the Vision Pro, I really need to try it for myself. It just looks to be the most comfy, imo. But having seen where you have it stretched to the cheek area, it does look uncomfortable there too.
Not sure where you are located, but if you're in the United States go check out your local Apple Store and they are giving demos. You'll be able to tell in their 20-30 min demo if you like the device and the comfort or not.
Xbox and Quest need(ed) to team up. That may have helped Xbox before they decided to leave hardware... 😥I guess PC VR kind of does that.
I wonder how much money Xbox actually made on hardware versus just making games? It might be more profitable for them to make just the games. But here is the kicker... who now challenges Playstation and pushing Playstation to be better? Thats why I like Apple Vision Pro being a success. It forces these other VR makers to be better and push the envelop. As far as Xbox and Quest teaming up... how cool would an actual Halo game on Quest be?
Why arent u showing any of the headsets when ur speaking? not v engaging
Sorry you feel that way. I did show each headset many times throughout the video. I didn't ant to continue to hold the product next to me at all times while talking.
If you come to think of it, the quest in the best all rounder. It is actually the revolutionary one. I wouldn’t buy an avp for 1000 dollars.
They are both trying to do different things (at the moment). Apple is really pushing hard to the work/productivity and content and Meta is really focused on gaming and they are trying to get into the work/productivity. The issue with Meta is they are not using good enough screens yet.
I can tell you don't use your Quest 3 alot 😂😂😂as their is tons of productivity apps as it shares the same store as the Quest Pro and as a Apple user who relies on Apple Mac's to produce music in logic pro x thisnheadset is not the on efor musicians the Quest 3 is as I use my Quest 3 In a crazy way with my logic pro x as I can play instruments in Mixed Reality and record them straight into my soundcard and into my Logic Pro X or I can just make beats on my Quest 3 as it already has a few music production DAWs as the Quest 3 has a headphone jack $3500 device that doesn't have a headphone jack is hilarious to me Apple needs to position this headset for musicians and creatives the Quest 3 has haptic gloves treadmills and everything even
Xbox
Somewhat.
pico4 is much better
Much better than what? I mention 3 headsets on this video. In all honestly I never tried the Pico 4, but I know people who own it and all 3 of these are better in their eyes.
I can tell you don't use your Quest 3 alot 😂😂😂as their is tons of productivity apps as it shares the same store as the Quest Pro and as a Apple user who relies on Apple Mac's to produce music in logic pro x this headset is not the one for musicians the Quest 3 is as I use my Quest 3 In a crazy way with my logic pro x as I can play instruments in Mixed Reality and record them straight into my soundcard and into my Logic Pro X or I can just make beats on my Quest 3 as it already has a few music production DAWs as the Quest 3 has a headphone jack $3500 device that doesn't have a headphone jack is hilarious to me Apple needs to position this headset for musicians and creatives the Quest 3 has haptic gloves treadmills and everything even Xbox
I know there are a ton of productivity apps, but the clarity is not what it is with the Apple Vision Pro which, in my eyes, hinders people wanting to use the Quest 3 for productivity. Too much eye strain. I do think Meta will take what Apple is doing and put it into their software as well, but Apple does currently have a better software. It is pretty amazing. Especially for a first gen device.
apple vision suck in all ways and can't be best in any case works/playing/ar/vr/porn all better on other devices
Have you tried the device? The Apple Vision pro has the best Software, best resolution, and is best for productivity compared to these other headsets. Don't knock it until you've tried it.
"Review"? More like talking for 30 minutes
It wasn't a review. In the title and description it says I am talking about each device and comparing and contrasting each device and that is exactly what I did.
Thanks!
It was exactly what I looked for. For the speccs I can read an overview
Specs on paper is one thing, but actually using the product is a totally different animal. I'm glad this video is what you were looking for.
please, for the love of god, stop saying "Assessories." There are 2 Cs in the word; the first is hard, the 2nd is soft.
PLEASE... for the love of god... LIGMA... ligma balls. Different people have different accents. If you don't like mine don't watch my videos. Plain and simple.