it doesnt matter cuz at the end of the day himeko's damage is not there. Shes a pf bot, and u wouldn't go out of ur way to pull for fugue specifically for the easiest mode in the entire game if u don't alrdy have a pf main dps archetype. And if u do which in this case fire fly or rappa, u wouldn't use himeko at that point.
Lmao you're expecting Himeko with Fugue? Although they are good together, no one cares about this. Simply because the damage is not significant to mention, and it's against the current meta. Himeko is still viable with crit damage and performs better than break
Yeah, Fugue is a mix of both damage and utility. So far I used Ruan Mei and Fugue together more times because their combined utility works wonders for my DPS.
For Himeko specifically, Fugue is basically what Sunday is to Jing Yuan. Fugue is great for every break oriented dps, with Firefly being the less noticeable change.
I only have firefly for my break dps (didn’t pull for boothill and lost the 50/50 on rappa) but i do have lingsha. Most of the time i gave fugue’s skill for lingsha because firefly already has built in implant weakness and it feels like running 2 break dps in a team😂
Both action delay and weakness break efficiency are immensely important for superbreak. But WBE in particular does 3 things: lets you break faster so you can deal damage earlier, gives you a unique dmg multiplier (for superbreak) directly corresponding to the amount of WBE you have, and also enables better sustainability (by enemies being unable to hit you a lot) which makes it the most sustainless friendly comp to exist by a long shot. It's by far probably the most important stat for the comp because it does literally everything it needs and on top of that also makes your team more flexible. This is why Ruan Mei currently is irreplaceable even by (e0) Fugue
Simulated universe is easier with fugue, no longer do you need MC ult to get the super break buff on non boss mobs. Makes my firefly runs so much more bearable in SU
I'm ngl boss, anyone breaks simulated universe if you plan your build. If you're firefly isn't clearing simulated universe, then that's not HMC's fault
@ALegendarySol not clearing SU? I have cleared difficulty 5 of the old SU, and I'm almost to level 6 of the new one (I was lazy and never did it, I now started to get Jades for fugue). If you read my comment it's about quality of life on trash mobs. Not bosses lol. I no longer need to build and waste an ult for super break. Someone doesn't play firefly or break teams or they'd know without it, your firefly literally does 0 damage and pokke mentions this quite often
Well after tuning all my break characters speed to only hit 160+ with RM, I feel like I can't replace her anymore because I dont wanna refarm relics all over again just to hit speed breakpoints lol
Question are we not meant to play her alongside Ruan Mei??? I'm genuinely asking also , cause I took out Harmony MC and fixed her fugue in am I missing something
Don’t listen to this fking drivel. You lose dmg by replacing rm essentially in every scenario outside of trash mobs where you can instant break regardless.
@@WeltteI'd borrow a Fugue and try some Calyxes or Simulated Universe and see if you like her in your teams. I'd suggest pairing her with a blast or Erudition unit, perhaps Xueyi, Himeko, your favorite. Can always wait for a rerun if unsure.
With respect to 3.0 and summon meta, I think break effect should be pretty safe. Break feels more like FUA where it extended from the Ratio/Topaz teams in 1.x into 2.x with Bubbin and Aventurine and Feixiao, because it's so heavily supported. DoT was never properly supported. Never had a dedicated support. Never had a dedicated sustain. So of course it fell into a ditch once these other playstyles got dedicated supports and dedicated sustainers, and content evolved to challenge those teams, while DoT had to face them with nothing but supports and sustainers that were designed for the other two playstyles.
i still did 20k with sampo and kafka this pf and 12 star moc with sampo and kafka again . People acting like superbeak will become obsolete ... or acting like summons will be the only meta
@@ktstorms5285fr, i use dot for every end game content mode. never failed getting 2-4 cycles max in moc and enough points in as/pf. super break is way stronger than dot so it’s funny when i see super break doomposters like what xD
All Hoyoverse has to do is to add weakness locked bosses to both sides of MoC. It'd be incredibly cynical to do so, which is why I don't think Hoyo will do this, however the possibility still exists.
Why do ppl keep calling it a meta? By definition it cant be meta because it doesnt exist. Its a possible strategy that can be potentially worse than the current existing super break meta. Google what meta is. Then answer how something can be meta that doesnt exist. Then tell the people who put it in your head that a strat that doesnt exist in the game can be meta to stop making more people dumb.
Same, my f2p firefly team defeated Svarog in 2 cycles when she always 4 cycled before. Also sustainless pure fiction with Herta, Himeko, RM and Fugue is so strong and satisfying, unlimited attacks and easy 40k
Gahh.. maybe I should've watched more analysis videos, or rather this video, before pulling for her E1. I just thought the 50% All-Type weakness reduction just wasn't good enough (even though I haven't even used her with other DPS) so I just thought I had to get her E1 to compensate.
I'm a new player, started on Feixao + triple rerun. Got Robin, Lingsha, Aventurini and saved for FF + Fugue. Right now i'm having the easiest time of my life obliterating everything the game throws at me. Ppl who are saying she's not good bc of "less superbreak than harmony MC" are just completely ignoring the Def% reduction and 2x break mechanic. Fugue is insane, and superbreak users who skip her will be just the same as Acheron players who skiped JiaoQiu.
I think it's not as simple we got 3.0 on the way and a new meta whit it most players rather invest to that then a more dmg for a team that killed everything whit ease anyway for a new player that is a different story
If you have E1 then go for 250% for the Iron Cavalry but if you have E0 you might wanna go for the double 2 pcs. But if you have god cavalry relics go for it.
Does Iron Calvary affect the Superbreak damage cause by Fugue? Like does it take effects when lingsha attack broken enemies? Or does it only take effect when only Fugue herself deal super break dmg to broken enemy?
I pulled for fugue because I’m planning on investing into the summon meta and I’m pretty sure remembrance trailblazer is going to be BiS for those teams. Which means no harmony TB for my break team. Hoyo kind of forced my hand if I still want to use my break team that I invested so much in already.
One of the things that I have found when playing with Fugue in my heavily Eidolon-Invested team is that I am moving Foxian Prayer around quite a lot. Team is E2S1 FF, E1S1 Ruan Mei, E2S1 Fugue and E1S1 Lingsha. Fugue is on ERR Rope. I am using Fugue's skill generally every other turn, and I have found myself swapping back and forth between Lingsha and Firefly in terms of who gets Foxian Prayer. A couple turns on Lingsha helps to do some AoE toughness damage to soften up everyone, then I swap Foxian Prayer over to Firefly the turn before I am ready to Break the enemy. When I have the enemies at low health, I swap Foxian Prayer back over to Lingsha for the next phase / wave. This has worked exceptionally well when I was testing it. Using the Skill more frequently obviously helps charge the Ult faster, which has the Action Advance. But it also allows me to take advantage of the 50% WBE on Firefly during the phase of the battle where it matters the most.
Funny enough I managed to 0-cycle first half MoC with Kafka black swan acheron ruan me(e0,e1,e2,1), allowing me to use FF/fugue/hmc/Lingsha to clear second half (rappa also usable)
i run dog water dot for every endgame content and haven’t failed getting full-stars. super break is way stronger than dot so it doesn’t really matter if it’s fugue or hmc or rm. you will still obliterate content and set the seas ablaze! fight to live!
Pull for fugue if you care abt Super break pull for herta if you have jade or care abt pf/ice units pull for Agathea if you dont have acheron or want to have a strong sec lighting dps
@@jaimydamen6956will Remembrance path become an equal to Erudition in PF? Cuz if yes, I think I might have to skip Herta for Aglaea. And I heard RMC will be a good sub dps/support for the new summon meta
I'd probably go for Firefly E2 first, both of their lightcones arent must pulls bc they have decent alternatives if you dont get the chance to pull them. So going for FF E2 (or Fugue E1) first will def be better for you
@@ariefa7525 Yeah, my main DPS are ratio and acheron, and I'm not sure how RMC would slot into those teams. I'll likely just keep HMC and maybe try him out in story
are there any calcs on ruanmei and lingsha e1 def shreds? so fugue replacing htb, she stacks on top of their e1 def shreds with her skill, pearls, break set def ignore etc.
Sustainless MoC was trivial with FF, obviously 0 cycle on either side, sustainless PF was a blast and 2 cycles with just mediocre crit builds on himeko and kurukuru with RM and fugue, AS took 3 tries to get the timings sorted out but was pretty easy after that as well. TL;DR Sustain Welt wishes he was this good :D
Does the loss of spd boost from replacing ruan mei with fugue actually matters? Cuz i'm not farming for another sets of relics just to speed tune my team again lol
Yes I hate speed tuning, and Ruan Mei team buff really helps me get the important breakpoints like 225 for Firefly SAM mode, 160 for Lingsha, and 173 for Fugue No Ruan Mei means I have to find 10+ more speed for each of them not to mention having the BE and other substats to go along with it
I think people kinda lose sight that sustain in break teams also deal dmg, sometimes, a LOT of dmg, and just want to see some big PP dmg. So, If you have Lingsha, I don't think it's worth it to run a sustainless composition.
Well if you have Firefly, HMC is a free unit and part of her core. However you still want either Ruan Mei or Fugue on top of that or her dps will fall off big time. Meanwhile Fugue+ HMC can make a other units into good Superbreakers. So in my opinion you should go for Fugue. If you manage to get her, you can try for Firefly too.
@@DobinSergei just skip this patch. You have no break DD at all (Xueyi E3 is too weak and hard to build for a new player). You will just waste wishes rn. Cause you're new and have no units, if you pull for Fugue, you'll have noone to pair her with, there're no break DD on your account. And if you pull for Firefly, you don't have 4 unit in the team (like Ruan Mei), and also you're new, so you'll 100% want to use free Remembrance Trailblazer in the next patch. So you'll also loose Harmony MC. The best play for you here is to skip both banners and then pull someone from 3.0 patch with your saved pulls, probably even 2 new units (at this point you'll have significantly more wishes cause of 3.0)
skipping seems wise yes but to add a bit of nuance to that - if you have Himeko you can turn her into the single most monstrous break dps with fugue/hmc/gallagher setup
Haha. We've said that about a bunch of characters in the past. Some of them really fell off, others became must haves eventually. Between her, Sunday, upcoming Herta and rest of 3.0+ its going to be interesting to see who ages well.
@@brilliantgainful98 Yes but the question is will the replacement come out at the end of the patch cycle like it just did with fugue? Can people really wait almost a year for their 5* rmc replacement? Especially if they want to play 2 remembrance teams in endgame content.
You know theres something terribly wrong with HSR if aiming for e1/LC is now the requirement for current and future HP inflation problems... And we're talking HSR, a game with two new OP LIMITED 5* per version. And if yall play other gacha games, 99.9% of millions other gacha games out there only do limited unit banners for a collab unit or a legendary unit once a year, all the new units are typically part of the standard banner btw. But hoyoverse is so predatory with this fomo limited banner sht; worse with hi3 and hsr since theres also powercreep ON EVERY OLD UNIT + New end game that requires the new unit only. And ppl used to overpraised the heck of hsr generosity when the devs are quite scummy + the horribly written, overdone jokes, pretentious moments of the writer pretending to know how the adult world works/nonsensical quotes, forgotten plot devices/foreshadowing, and childish character relationship/backstories... point being, story nowadays in HSR is made to farm play time with unskippable stories and worse with their 6-12 hours filler events that dont take itself seriously at all rather than attempting to tell a good story. It's unfortinate but Shaoji put more effort into hi3 story than hsr. And clearly, the hi3 team that work on balancing hsr didnt learn their lesson from hi3 negative revenue at all 😂
About that very last statement, with how HSR's revenue performs, if i were them but greedy i might as well not put my learnt lesson on the other game if that other game is booming and printing money, whether i learned or not
Bro its not that hard to pull for e1s1 characters.Simply organize your pulls for the characters you need and do not pull for each new character that comes out. You cannot have all the characters as f2p if you want to have them all you have to spend money
@@grendelirl5426 I'm not really a f2p, but I understand what you mean. We do that a lot with other gacha games but in my experience, HSR is more extreme with it since every banner is limited. And it's hard to tell if your e1s1 will be relevant in the next version or 10+ versions tho; if e0 future harmony is e6s1 in performance to, idk, e6s1 ruan mei. Or if the HP inflation is so insane to the point where e6s1 ruan mei isn't quite enough anymore and you're forced to pull for new units to get 3* clear on infinitely harder future HP inflated content. That is how it is now with hi3 btw, everybody uses the same 3 units for every new version to do end-game. ------- And yeah, my point was, if they're gonna release TWO NEW OP 5* units every update, it's very tough to know for sure if your e1s1 will be permanently worth the investment or not. But I guess you could make the case that Ruan mei, Robin, and Sunday are worth going for e1 and LC atm.
I am itching to get her but since I don't have Ruan mei or robin atm, Ruan mei would be an upgrade for my boothill and an extra generalist buffer, sorry fugue
How i fish she was regular support like Ruan Mei instead of superbreak, i love both her and Firefly as characters, but idea of damage comming from support instead of them just buffkng damage of dps just doesn't sit right with me.
The way he puts it, i find it sus. So fugue replaces ruan mei. Anwer is no. U can see the data clearly. For an e0 team. Hmc ruan mei. 100.% Hmc fugue 115.% Fugue ruan mei 111%. Meaning replacing ruan mei dmg increase by 15% Replacing hmc dmg icreases by 11%. But when u replace ruan mei. U also replace 50% weakness break efficiency. Only for a 4% increase. But If u replace hmc, Sure ruan mei and fugue will deal 4% less superbreak.. But team will break faster. Fugue skill on lingsha or sustain and ruan mei 50% can stack and break faster. Meaning more fire fly turn not wasted.
I'm going for Fugue because i like the character, dont even have Rappa (but i have Firefly and Boothill) Break meta can die, but Fugue will be pretty forever, so that's wjat matters.
So for an E0 firefly I either run sustainless or skip fugue and stick to HMC RM and Gallagher Since firefly needs HMC... Guess I'll skip then, save for big herta and jade
so many haters for fugue. its literally the same thing that happened with lingsha and theyll be whining that they didnt pull her once shes gone. she replaces htb in my teams and does better. plus trailblazer will soon switch to remembrance
Yeah, and you also breaks them faster so you have earlier and longer damage uptime with Ruan Mei + Fugue. Like Pokke said, that graph only counts the damage when breaking and the following Superbreak. It doesn't account the downtime before you reach that point, which can be misleading
Sustainless Superbreak Maiden Body Type Dream Team: HMC (S5 DDD), Ruan Mei, Fugue, Rappa Can’t go wrong! Have a Lingsha on the side to replace one of the supports if you suck. Still maiden body type.
Feixiao, Robin, Boothill, lingsha, and Jade will be on the next version's banner. We'll see another triple rerun banners in 3.0. This is what I got from the leaks subreddit.
I may have a biased opinion, but as a boothill main, I gotta say im pretty happy I got Fugue, but I feel like a single target unit being objectively worse than AOE units kinda sucks. Of all the reviews I saw of Fugue, everyone says boothill got really good damage, but him being a single target makes him noticeably worse than firefly and rappa in almost all endgame stages. I think there should be more love for single target units
Not sure who's telling you this, most people agree Boothill is better than FF for MoC on average. Probably better than Rappa too once the 5 target sides die down (won't happen for a while tbf given that Herta is coming out next).
The reason why i refuse to remove lingsha in my break team is so i can do autoplay, let the game play by itself, and claim the rewards after doing something else
@@apexcrab Figure out what the conditions are. Might be highest attack or something. I know ive seen her skill my Black Swan (3.5k attack) over my Firefly but maybe they added an exception for Firefly since she doesnt need the buff.
I straight up don't think she is worth the opportunity cost if you run FF. I especially dislike that they balanced her kit around her E2. Maybe I'll change my mind before her banner ends, but so far I'm not convinced.
Uhm, ZZZ is way worse when it comes to pulls. And in HSR at this point we dont get screwed by not deciding to pull for a strong character so its much easier to save.
@Tiasung 1.4 had the free reels AND includes the Fading Signal freebies in less than a week from now. I'd say its completely the opposite. HSR does punish me more than ZZZ for not having strong units. Can't max out MoC, PF or AS. ZZZ I have no problem with just Jane Doe, Miyabi and Burnice.
@@Luminarise so having 3 near meta characters is not having strong units? :P also zzz is early in its lifespan, at the same point hsr was also feeling very generous/easy to access since you only needed base units and maybe 1 meta char to get full stars
@@Destshade Of course, so obviously the better investment is ZZZ. I couldn't care less about what HSR was, only what it is. Powercreep is their problem to fix, not mine to forgive. Can't even offer the bare minimum of a free 10 pull for a meta character. I have 18 limited 5 stars in HSR, they can fuck off.
@@Destshade To keep it short. I have 18 limited 5 stars in HSR. Power creep is not my problem to fix, nor it is mine to forgive. If it ONLY takes 3 in ZZZ, then I think anyone would say it is a better investment assuming both are equal in gameplay enjoyment. However, you also need less in ZZZ since its 3 character teams. I do not care for how HSR USED to be, I care for what it is. And not offering the bare minimum of free 10 pulls for a NEW and META character is just cringe. Sunk cost fallacy can suck it, its ZZZ era until someone does it better.
I just started back in october. I gotta say I'm kind of sick of hearing about ruan mei on every team. So i dont have her and never will so i should stop playing? No teams without ruan mei exist? My e1 fugue isnt good enough?
My rappa goes Crazy strong after i pulled for fugue E0S0, i feel greatful I missed ruanmei for fugue, since my other team is Archon Jiaoqiu team, so both sides now pretty solid
You know what I am very curious about. How does Rappa sustain compare to FF no sustain. I really hope FF e2 is better than Rappa e0 but it Rappa is significantly stronger than FF with a sustain versus without (not PF) damn. Truly Firefraud. I think its time for me to hard stop ever considering dps eidolons.
Not even close from my testing. E2 Firefly sustainless straight up kills moc 12 Svarog in two hits. She hits for up to 1.8 millions on 3 targets. She also destroys the banana boss faster than Rappa even though it's 5 targets. Of course Rappa is better if they are both E0. Lingsha does very good damage but she doesn't compare to double superbreak Firefly.
th-cam.com/video/kt9Lh1N8-kQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=roB-DQIv7QaqHVqw This looks similar, mr pokke, just letting y knw, no hate whtsoever in fact loved ur videos from along the way.
why? you can still use both together. You meta slaves are so weird. You act like content creators are the gospel on everything and ONLY play what they say
I wish more creators talked about her with Himeko. I watched like 10 videos and no one took this synergy seriously
it doesnt matter cuz at the end of the day himeko's damage is not there. Shes a pf bot, and u wouldn't go out of ur way to pull for fugue specifically for the easiest mode in the entire game if u don't alrdy have a pf main dps archetype. And if u do which in this case fire fly or rappa, u wouldn't use himeko at that point.
Probably because most people don't play superbreak Himeko. If they introduced loadouts, sure.
The amount of people ready to pull a limited character for a standard one is low
@@omegaklee12345I just beat moc with himeko, hmc (ddd), fugue e0/s1, & gallagher side 2. I did sustainless pf with himeko/fugue/herta/hmc as well.
Lmao you're expecting Himeko with Fugue? Although they are good together, no one cares about this. Simply because the damage is not significant to mention, and it's against the current meta. Himeko is still viable with crit damage and performs better than break
She is 50% damage, 50% utility. RM is 100% utility, HTB is 100% damage.
So she can replace depending on what the DPS is lacking.
Yeah, Fugue is a mix of both damage and utility. So far I used Ruan Mei and Fugue together more times because their combined utility works wonders for my DPS.
I've just been replacing the sustain, and then swap RM out for Lingsha if I really need healing.
Nah HMC brings in some good buffs on top of great damage, broken free unit.
And a 100% reason to remember the name
But we lowkey need rmc for the future summons chars so pulling fugue is actually good choice tho, it releases mc to other paths
For Himeko specifically, Fugue is basically what Sunday is to Jing Yuan.
Fugue is great for every break oriented dps, with Firefly being the less noticeable change.
I only have firefly for my break dps (didn’t pull for boothill and lost the 50/50 on rappa) but i do have lingsha. Most of the time i gave fugue’s skill for lingsha because firefly already has built in implant weakness and it feels like running 2 break dps in a team😂
@@minerska3395that's the exact reason i pulled for Fugue, i knew the moment i pulled her i would put the skill on Lingsha, it feels so good :v
love watching this in 1.5x speed insane cn level information speed going to my brain
Looks like instead of replacing, shes just cracked with ruan mei and her. So much action delay when u put the 2 together.
No sustain needed. And in Lingsha's case, no DPS needed.
S1 Firefly, Fugue, HMC, Ruan Mei with an imaginary break
Enemies will never act again
Imaginary break team with rappa is insane, unlimited action delay
Both action delay and weakness break efficiency are immensely important for superbreak. But WBE in particular does 3 things: lets you break faster so you can deal damage earlier, gives you a unique dmg multiplier (for superbreak) directly corresponding to the amount of WBE you have, and also enables better sustainability (by enemies being unable to hit you a lot) which makes it the most sustainless friendly comp to exist by a long shot. It's by far probably the most important stat for the comp because it does literally everything it needs and on top of that also makes your team more flexible. This is why Ruan Mei currently is irreplaceable even by (e0) Fugue
Action Delay is neat but the game scores on speed, so DDD HMC+Fugue is competitive in most scenarios with Fugue+Ruan Mei.
She'll replace my harmony trailblazer so i can switch to remembrance trailblazer in future
Simulated universe is easier with fugue, no longer do you need MC ult to get the super break buff on non boss mobs. Makes my firefly runs so much more bearable in SU
I'm ngl boss, anyone breaks simulated universe if you plan your build.
If you're firefly isn't clearing simulated universe, then that's not HMC's fault
@ALegendarySol not clearing SU? I have cleared difficulty 5 of the old SU, and I'm almost to level 6 of the new one (I was lazy and never did it, I now started to get Jades for fugue). If you read my comment it's about quality of life on trash mobs. Not bosses lol. I no longer need to build and waste an ult for super break. Someone doesn't play firefly or break teams or they'd know without it, your firefly literally does 0 damage and pokke mentions this quite often
Acheron moment.
Well after tuning all my break characters speed to only hit 160+ with RM, I feel like I can't replace her anymore because I dont wanna refarm relics all over again just to hit speed breakpoints lol
The fact no one mentions lol
Question are we not meant to play her alongside Ruan Mei??? I'm genuinely asking also , cause I took out Harmony MC and fixed her fugue in am I missing something
That's why I overtuned everyone with 170 spd lmao
Just run sustainless its rlly easy
Don’t listen to this fking drivel. You lose dmg by replacing rm essentially in every scenario outside of trash mobs where you can instant break regardless.
Argenti+fugue turned hmc into ultimate robin, advancing everyone with ddd every new wave, himeko into kuru kuru, she is pf monster
As a new player without RM, I saw Fugue as a must-pull. So far, I feel I was right.
I don't have RM or any Break DPS, should I still pull Fugue for PF/other modes?
@@WeltteI'd borrow a Fugue and try some Calyxes or Simulated Universe and see if you like her in your teams.
I'd suggest pairing her with a blast or Erudition unit, perhaps Xueyi, Himeko, your favorite.
Can always wait for a rerun if unsure.
With respect to 3.0 and summon meta, I think break effect should be pretty safe. Break feels more like FUA where it extended from the Ratio/Topaz teams in 1.x into 2.x with Bubbin and Aventurine and Feixiao, because it's so heavily supported. DoT was never properly supported. Never had a dedicated support. Never had a dedicated sustain. So of course it fell into a ditch once these other playstyles got dedicated supports and dedicated sustainers, and content evolved to challenge those teams, while DoT had to face them with nothing but supports and sustainers that were designed for the other two playstyles.
i still did 20k with sampo and kafka this pf and 12 star moc with sampo and kafka again . People acting like superbeak will become obsolete ... or acting like summons will be the only meta
@@ktstorms5285fr, i use dot for every end game content mode. never failed getting 2-4 cycles max in moc and enough points in as/pf.
super break is way stronger than dot so it’s funny when i see super break doomposters like what xD
All Hoyoverse has to do is to add weakness locked bosses to both sides of MoC. It'd be incredibly cynical to do so, which is why I don't think Hoyo will do this, however the possibility still exists.
@@ktstorms5285 for a sec I thought you meant 20k damage 😭💀
Why do ppl keep calling it a meta? By definition it cant be meta because it doesnt exist. Its a possible strategy that can be potentially worse than the current existing super break meta. Google what meta is. Then answer how something can be meta that doesnt exist. Then tell the people who put it in your head that a strat that doesnt exist in the game can be meta to stop making more people dumb.
was forced to sit through an entire section on the bug before getting to a 2 second boothill one, great
She ended up replacing gallachad for me. First sustainless comp!
Same here, I tried it and my team actually didn't die😮
Same, my f2p firefly team defeated Svarog in 2 cycles when she always 4 cycled before.
Also sustainless pure fiction with Herta, Himeko, RM and Fugue is so strong and satisfying, unlimited attacks and easy 40k
Good video dude.
Gahh.. maybe I should've watched more analysis videos, or rather this video, before pulling for her E1. I just thought the 50% All-Type weakness reduction just wasn't good enough (even though I haven't even used her with other DPS) so I just thought I had to get her E1 to compensate.
I'm a new player, started on Feixao + triple rerun. Got Robin, Lingsha, Aventurini and saved for FF + Fugue. Right now i'm having the easiest time of my life obliterating everything the game throws at me.
Ppl who are saying she's not good bc of "less superbreak than harmony MC" are just completely ignoring the Def% reduction and 2x break mechanic. Fugue is insane, and superbreak users who skip her will be just the same as Acheron players who skiped JiaoQiu.
I think it's not as simple we got 3.0 on the way and a new meta whit it most players rather invest to that then a more dmg for a team that killed everything whit ease anyway for a new player that is a different story
idk how you get 250% break effect without sig lightcone or break effect rope
It's hard to even hit 220 without a be lightcone
u just need it in battle
Buffs from HMC, RM, Watchmaker, and Kalpagni easily put you past 250%
Hit 220 and Ruan takes care of the 30%
If you have E1 then go for 250% for the Iron Cavalry but if you have E0 you might wanna go for the double 2 pcs. But if you have god cavalry relics go for it.
Does Iron Calvary affect the Superbreak damage cause by Fugue?
Like does it take effects when lingsha attack broken enemies?
Or does it only take effect when only Fugue herself deal super break dmg to broken enemy?
Personal damage.
Lingsha has to use her own 4pc Iron Cavalry to get the benefits
No
Ruan Mei + Fugue + Lingsha is my definitive Break setup going forward, with flexible DPS slot
Lingsha is dps slot, just give hmc ddd and enjoy unlimited AA in pf
@@mangasinatanaelpanjaitan3048 Jingliu will finally be good 🥶
I pulled for fugue because I’m planning on investing into the summon meta and I’m pretty sure remembrance trailblazer is going to be BiS for those teams. Which means no harmony TB for my break team. Hoyo kind of forced my hand if I still want to use my break team that I invested so much in already.
One of the things that I have found when playing with Fugue in my heavily Eidolon-Invested team is that I am moving Foxian Prayer around quite a lot.
Team is E2S1 FF, E1S1 Ruan Mei, E2S1 Fugue and E1S1 Lingsha.
Fugue is on ERR Rope. I am using Fugue's skill generally every other turn, and I have found myself swapping back and forth between Lingsha and Firefly in terms of who gets Foxian Prayer. A couple turns on Lingsha helps to do some AoE toughness damage to soften up everyone, then I swap Foxian Prayer over to Firefly the turn before I am ready to Break the enemy. When I have the enemies at low health, I swap Foxian Prayer back over to Lingsha for the next phase / wave. This has worked exceptionally well when I was testing it. Using the Skill more frequently obviously helps charge the Ult faster, which has the Action Advance. But it also allows me to take advantage of the 50% WBE on Firefly during the phase of the battle where it matters the most.
can't wait to run her with rappa and himeko, giving the buff to himeko
Funny enough I managed to 0-cycle first half MoC with Kafka black swan acheron ruan me(e0,e1,e2,1), allowing me to use FF/fugue/hmc/Lingsha to clear second half (rappa also usable)
To this day mrpokke still calls kalpagni kalpageenee
i run dog water dot for every endgame content and haven’t failed getting full-stars.
super break is way stronger than dot so it doesn’t really matter if it’s fugue or hmc or rm. you will still obliterate content and set the seas ablaze!
fight to live!
As someone that hasn't play lately, last unit pull is sunday so currently 50/50. Is it better to save or pull
Save if you wanna pull for the next meta DPS, or just pull to replace HMC when you wanna use RMC
Pull for fugue if you care abt Super break pull for herta if you have jade or care abt pf/ice units pull for Agathea if you dont have acheron or want to have a strong sec lighting dps
@@jaimydamen6956will Remembrance path become an equal to Erudition in PF? Cuz if yes, I think I might have to skip Herta for Aglaea. And I heard RMC will be a good sub dps/support for the new summon meta
@@jaimydamen6956pull fire fly if you have ruan mei or else just save for 3.0 dps
@@ChrispyBrownies-fi4xhAglae is s ramp up character. Definitely skip
My problem is that Rememberence mc is coming should i pull fugue to replace harmony mc?
My DPS now is Linghsha :) 2 cycles on auto in MoC 12 second half with those three supports
I got Firefly E1 in first banner, is worth go for E2S1 Firefly or better go Fugue E0S1? Character banner garanteed 49 pulls and weapon at 50 75/25.
I'd probably go for Firefly E2 first, both of their lightcones arent must pulls bc they have decent alternatives if you dont get the chance to pull them. So going for FF E2 (or Fugue E1) first will def be better for you
E2S0, then go Fugue, then S1 anyone is just optional.
I watched my E0 Boothill get all 3 trickshot points from killing just 1 mob with Fugue
watch we are gonna get a remembrance character in the future and will have a relic set that increases break effiencey
E1 fugue is basically Ruan Mei 2.0
Problem is remembrance trailblazer so we won’t be using HMC anymore , so I’m fine using my e1 Ruan mei
For those who already have robin + sunday, i think there is no reason to use RTB … or a lot of character indeed
@@ariefa7525 Yeah, my main DPS are ratio and acheron, and I'm not sure how RMC would slot into those teams. I'll likely just keep HMC and maybe try him out in story
inb4 RMC in Super Break (not leakers btw)
So with a E2 Fugue, is tutorial mission LC + Wind relic set her best over her signature LC + Iron Calvary? Running Rappa, Fugue, HMC, Lingsha
The Weakness Break Efficiency from Mei's skill and from Fugue's E1 does stack?
are there any calcs on ruanmei and lingsha e1 def shreds? so fugue replacing htb, she stacks on top of their e1 def shreds with her skill, pearls, break set def ignore etc.
Only E1 Fugue replace Ruan mei, but if you consider double break. Maybe?
Trying to hold the line for The Herta! 😩 But fugue looks so good
For ff E0S0 is it better to pull for her E1 & E2 first or pull for fugue first ?
is boothil worth pulling? i have ff but i like single target big dmg
If u like single target big pp dmge pull bh
his ST dmg can be nuts
Sustainless MoC was trivial with FF, obviously 0 cycle on either side, sustainless PF was a blast and 2 cycles with just mediocre crit builds on himeko and kurukuru with RM and fugue, AS took 3 tries to get the timings sorted out but was pretty easy after that as well.
TL;DR Sustain Welt wishes he was this good :D
Also, sustainless lvl8 divergent universe works great to for dealing with the 12.5x'ed hp bars :D
Does the loss of spd boost from replacing ruan mei with fugue actually matters? Cuz i'm not farming for another sets of relics just to speed tune my team again lol
Yes
I hate speed tuning, and Ruan Mei team buff really helps me get the important breakpoints like 225 for Firefly SAM mode, 160 for Lingsha, and 173 for Fugue
No Ruan Mei means I have to find 10+ more speed for each of them not to mention having the BE and other substats to go along with it
"Didnt change boothill in pure fiction..."
Today i see a CN player doing 40k with him with fugue in a sustailess team on PF 🤣
With lingsha or himeko?
@@Lakshin01no: BH, RM, HMC, Fugue
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question, e1s1 fugue vs ruan mei and tb how much is the diff?
trying to do 2 super break team, want to know if it's viable or not
Ruan mei is still better
I think people kinda lose sight that sustain in break teams also deal dmg, sometimes, a LOT of dmg, and just want to see some big PP dmg.
So, If you have Lingsha, I don't think it's worth it to run a sustainless composition.
With Lingsha you just make her the dps
Here's the real question e1 fugue e1 firefly or c1 miyabi gotta decide what to spend the crimis money on
i have E0S0 boothill, i dont have ruan mei or robin. should i pull for fugue?
If you like using your Boothill, the answer is yes mother fudger
Imo yes. Fugue will help your Boothill a lot
@@c-rinnyan9088 i lost the 50/50 im gonna kms
@@dovenfisk9499 my condolences…don’t lose hope yet, you still have time!!!
Unfortunately I have no pulls for her and on 50/50 so I'll have to wait for rerun
the good thing about Fugue is now I can run Firefly, Fugue and HMC on one side, and then Boothill, Sunday and RM on the other.
21:24 That is why Rappa is the Goat the Goaaat🗣️🗣️
For new players, for whom is better to pull in this banner, for superbreak team? FF or Fugue?
Do you have any other break unit?
Well if you have Firefly, HMC is a free unit and part of her core. However you still want either Ruan Mei or Fugue on top of that or her dps will fall off big time. Meanwhile Fugue+ HMC can make a other units into good Superbreakers. So in my opinion you should go for Fugue. If you manage to get her, you can try for Firefly too.
@@МехтиИманов-ь1ж Harmony MC, Gallagher e5, Xueyi e3.
@@DobinSergei just skip this patch. You have no break DD at all (Xueyi E3 is too weak and hard to build for a new player). You will just waste wishes rn. Cause you're new and have no units, if you pull for Fugue, you'll have noone to pair her with, there're no break DD on your account. And if you pull for Firefly, you don't have 4 unit in the team (like Ruan Mei), and also you're new, so you'll 100% want to use free Remembrance Trailblazer in the next patch. So you'll also loose Harmony MC.
The best play for you here is to skip both banners and then pull someone from 3.0 patch with your saved pulls, probably even 2 new units (at this point you'll have significantly more wishes cause of 3.0)
skipping seems wise yes but to add a bit of nuance to that - if you have Himeko you can turn her into the single most monstrous break dps with fugue/hmc/gallagher setup
She feels like another great option to have but not like a must have.
Gonna wait for the 3.0+ characters
Haha. We've said that about a bunch of characters in the past. Some of them really fell off, others became must haves eventually. Between her, Sunday, upcoming Herta and rest of 3.0+ its going to be interesting to see who ages well.
That’s what most characters should be, instead of the powercreep shitshow hsr is since the start 2.0
@@Tiasung I mean she truly doesn't add anything new to the table
For Rappa and Boothill enjoyers, she really is a must have. For Firefly mains, yeah she's just an option.
is there reason to think that Rememberance MC will be core in summon teams? if so I may need to pull on fugue so i can run break and summon
At least on the Aglea team you play rmc. Don't know hoenit will be with Future Summon Charakters.
Just like break team, there will also be another support that can replace the mc
@@brilliantgainful98 Yes but the question is will the replacement come out at the end of the patch cycle like it just did with fugue? Can people really wait almost a year for their 5* rmc replacement? Especially if they want to play 2 remembrance teams in endgame content.
3:30 didnt know u could get e2 before e1 😂
You know theres something terribly wrong with HSR if aiming for e1/LC is now the requirement for current and future HP inflation problems...
And we're talking HSR, a game with two new OP LIMITED 5* per version.
And if yall play other gacha games, 99.9% of millions other gacha games out there only do limited unit banners for a collab unit or a legendary unit once a year, all the new units are typically part of the standard banner btw.
But hoyoverse is so predatory with this fomo limited banner sht; worse with hi3 and hsr since theres also powercreep ON EVERY OLD UNIT + New end game that requires the new unit only.
And ppl used to overpraised the heck of hsr generosity when the devs are quite scummy + the horribly written, overdone jokes, pretentious moments of the writer pretending to know how the adult world works/nonsensical quotes, forgotten plot devices/foreshadowing, and childish character relationship/backstories... point being, story nowadays in HSR is made to farm play time with unskippable stories and worse with their 6-12 hours filler events that dont take itself seriously at all
rather than attempting to tell a good story. It's unfortinate but Shaoji put more effort into hi3 story than hsr. And clearly, the hi3 team that work on balancing hsr didnt learn their lesson from hi3 negative revenue at all 😂
oof you do have a point there
Yeah that’s why I became f2p months ago. Even if you get the E’s and the S’s they’d get powercrept half a year later. HSR is mad predatory.
About that very last statement, with how HSR's revenue performs, if i were them but greedy i might as well not put my learnt lesson on the other game if that other game is booming and printing money, whether i learned or not
Bro its not that hard to pull for e1s1 characters.Simply organize your pulls for the characters you need and do not pull for each new character that comes out. You cannot have all the characters as f2p if you want to have them all you have to spend money
@@grendelirl5426
I'm not really a f2p, but I understand what you mean.
We do that a lot with other gacha games but in my experience,
HSR is more extreme with it since every banner is limited.
And it's hard to tell if your e1s1 will be relevant in the next version or 10+ versions tho;
if e0 future harmony is e6s1 in performance to,
idk, e6s1 ruan mei.
Or if the HP inflation is so insane to the point where e6s1 ruan mei isn't quite enough anymore and you're forced to pull for new units to get 3* clear on infinitely harder future HP inflated content.
That is how it is now with hi3 btw, everybody uses the same 3 units for every new version to do end-game.
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And yeah, my point was, if they're gonna release TWO NEW OP 5* units every update,
it's very tough to know for sure if your e1s1 will be permanently worth the investment or not.
But I guess you could make the case that Ruan mei, Robin, and Sunday are worth going for e1 and LC atm.
I am itching to get her but since I don't have Ruan mei or robin atm, Ruan mei would be an upgrade for my boothill and an extra generalist buffer, sorry fugue
21:20 only if Rappa has her signature, without it e0s0 Firefly is better than e0s0 Rappa for sure.
How i fish she was regular support like Ruan Mei instead of superbreak, i love both her and Firefly as characters, but idea of damage comming from support instead of them just buffkng damage of dps just doesn't sit right with me.
HSR never fails to impress me with the power creep🤯🤯
Don't have Rappa, don't have lingsha, don't have boothil. Robin is E0, Ruan Mei is E2. I'm not sure if I should pull for Fugue🎉😢
The way he puts it, i find it sus.
So fugue replaces ruan mei.
Anwer is no.
U can see the data clearly. For an e0 team.
Hmc ruan mei. 100.%
Hmc fugue 115.%
Fugue ruan mei 111%.
Meaning replacing ruan mei dmg increase by 15%
Replacing hmc dmg icreases by 11%.
But when u replace ruan mei. U also replace 50% weakness break efficiency. Only for a 4% increase.
But If u replace hmc,
Sure ruan mei and fugue will deal 4% less superbreak..
But team will break faster. Fugue skill on lingsha or sustain and ruan mei 50% can stack and break faster.
Meaning more fire fly turn not wasted.
I'm going for Fugue because i like the character, dont even have Rappa (but i have Firefly and Boothill) Break meta can die, but Fugue will be pretty forever, so that's wjat matters.
what is better fugeo or E1 boothill?
Fugue
I dont have rappa firefly boothill or lingsha so i feel like i cant pull her even though i like her :((
Gallagher is on the same banner and he can unironically be used as main break dps if you have ruan mei/fugue (and hmc ofc)
ER Rope or Break?
Did 30 pulls and here i am😂
True question is...
Fugue or Lingsha?
So for an E0 firefly I either run sustainless or skip fugue and stick to HMC RM and Gallagher
Since firefly needs HMC...
Guess I'll skip then, save for big herta and jade
so many haters for fugue. its literally the same thing that happened with lingsha and theyll be whining that they didnt pull her once shes gone. she replaces htb in my teams and does better. plus trailblazer will soon switch to remembrance
If she is e6, maybe we could talk about replacing team wide wbe that e0 rm provides.
Don’t you end up doing more damage with rm and fugue since they stay weaknesss broken longer compared to hmm and fugue?
Yeah, and you also breaks them faster so you have earlier and longer damage uptime with Ruan Mei + Fugue.
Like Pokke said, that graph only counts the damage when breaking and the following Superbreak. It doesn't account the downtime before you reach that point, which can be misleading
Sustainless Superbreak Maiden Body Type Dream Team: HMC (S5 DDD), Ruan Mei, Fugue, Rappa
Can’t go wrong! Have a Lingsha on the side to replace one of the supports if you suck. Still maiden body type.
I heard feixiao is on the next banner so imma hold just in case.
Wish i knew when they going to announce next banner.😢
Wish it will be Ruan Mei.
Feixiao, Robin, Boothill, lingsha, and Jade will be on the next version's banner. We'll see another triple rerun banners in 3.0. This is what I got from the leaks subreddit.
@@Orion-l4o doubtly. Most of them were too recently for rerun.
Game making me regret skipping Rappa.
While Boothill isn't a realistical option for PF, he can just lock onto the wave's boss while Rappa/Erudition can kill the mobs
he can get 40k check showcases on youtube
Tried to replace Traveler for Rappa.. got worse. Nice character.
I may have a biased opinion, but as a boothill main, I gotta say im pretty happy I got Fugue, but I feel like a single target unit being objectively worse than AOE units kinda sucks.
Of all the reviews I saw of Fugue, everyone says boothill got really good damage, but him being a single target makes him noticeably worse than firefly and rappa in almost all endgame stages. I think there should be more love for single target units
bro keeps living in 1.X patches
If you put Fugue's buff on your Lingsha/Gallagher instead, that can help you with AOE and clearing mobs.
Not sure who's telling you this, most people agree Boothill is better than FF for MoC on average. Probably better than Rappa too once the 5 target sides die down (won't happen for a while tbf given that Herta is coming out next).
Who needs silver wolf after this?
who has needed SW since Robin replaced her in mono quantum and JQ has replaced her for Acheron
No one's ever needed SW. Always was a luxury character.
The reason why i refuse to remove lingsha in my break team is so i can do autoplay, let the game play by itself, and claim the rewards after doing something else
Except fugue doesn't skill lingsha on auto :(
@@apexcrab skill on lingsha then auto
@ktstorms5285 you'd have to do that each 3 turns, sort of defeats the concept of auto there bud.
@@apexcrab Figure out what the conditions are. Might be highest attack or something. I know ive seen her skill my Black Swan (3.5k attack) over my Firefly but maybe they added an exception for Firefly since she doesnt need the buff.
I straight up don't think she is worth the opportunity cost if you run FF. I especially dislike that they balanced her kit around her E2. Maybe I'll change my mind before her banner ends, but so far I'm not convinced.
2 words - Remembrance Trailblazer
@МехтиИманов-ь1ж From the leaks Sunday+Robin a stronger remembrance core than Sunday+RMC
Rappa best girls let's goo
Am so disappointed they didn't give out free limited pulls to try to pull her. Thinking I'll be sticking to ZZZ only at this point.
Uhm, ZZZ is way worse when it comes to pulls. And in HSR at this point we dont get screwed by not deciding to pull for a strong character so its much easier to save.
@Tiasung 1.4 had the free reels AND includes the Fading Signal freebies in less than a week from now. I'd say its completely the opposite. HSR does punish me more than ZZZ for not having strong units. Can't max out MoC, PF or AS. ZZZ I have no problem with just Jane Doe, Miyabi and Burnice.
@@Luminarise so having 3 near meta characters is not having strong units? :P also zzz is early in its lifespan, at the same point hsr was also feeling very generous/easy to access since you only needed base units and maybe 1 meta char to get full stars
@@Destshade Of course, so obviously the better investment is ZZZ. I couldn't care less about what HSR was, only what it is. Powercreep is their problem to fix, not mine to forgive. Can't even offer the bare minimum of a free 10 pull for a meta character. I have 18 limited 5 stars in HSR, they can fuck off.
@@Destshade To keep it short. I have 18 limited 5 stars in HSR. Power creep is not my problem to fix, nor it is mine to forgive. If it ONLY takes 3 in ZZZ, then I think anyone would say it is a better investment assuming both are equal in gameplay enjoyment. However, you also need less in ZZZ since its 3 character teams. I do not care for how HSR USED to be, I care for what it is. And not offering the bare minimum of free 10 pulls for a NEW and META character is just cringe. Sunk cost fallacy can suck it, its ZZZ era until someone does it better.
Fugue saved Kafka!
I just started back in october. I gotta say I'm kind of sick of hearing about ruan mei on every team. So i dont have her and never will so i should stop playing? No teams without ruan mei exist? My e1 fugue isnt good enough?
i mean you dont have to play meta teams
My rappa goes Crazy strong after i pulled for fugue E0S0, i feel greatful I missed ruanmei for fugue, since my other team is Archon Jiaoqiu team, so both sides now pretty solid
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You know what I am very curious about. How does Rappa sustain compare to FF no sustain. I really hope FF e2 is better than Rappa e0 but it Rappa is significantly stronger than FF with a sustain versus without (not PF) damn. Truly Firefraud. I think its time for me to hard stop ever considering dps eidolons.
Not even close from my testing. E2 Firefly sustainless straight up kills moc 12 Svarog in two hits. She hits for up to 1.8 millions on 3 targets. She also destroys the banana boss faster than Rappa even though it's 5 targets. Of course Rappa is better if they are both E0.
Lingsha does very good damage but she doesn't compare to double superbreak Firefly.
So its will be :
- Boothill : Ruan Mei + Fugue
- Firefly : Ruan Mei + HMC
- Rappa : Fugue + HMC
- Himeko : Ruan Mei + Fugue
Sustainless is the way to go, the enemies legitimately never get a turn lmao.
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This looks similar, mr pokke, just letting y knw, no hate whtsoever in fact loved ur videos from along the way.
WHAT
o7 Lingsha
Fix ur Hair
its crazy she replaces the sustain unit. Now i regret pulling for Lingsha
why? you can still use both together. You meta slaves are so weird. You act like content creators are the gospel on everything and ONLY play what they say
Lol wut? Lingsha is goated
Try at least once lingsha as dps, fugue, rm, and hmc, and u will never want to play something else
Just do Hmc, Ruan Mei, and Fugue with her. Fugue uses her skill on Lingsha and Lingsha becomes Rappa that can heal.
@craigtrish2011 yup worst part of gacha community.
Fell off
WDYM bro, she just got released
she fell off
Fell off to my heart🗣️🔥
@@NuratharZaidan Understandable
@@bloonbrawler9872 He meant Pokke not Fugue (most probably)
For ff E0S0 is it better to pull for her E1 & E2 first or pull for fugue first ?