I will repost what I had posted to another video on the topic, since this video did include a number of questions related to the value of Fugue from the perspective of a FF player: Just to help anyone that has Firefly regarding making the decision on this, here are some of my calcs from my spreadsheet. FWIW, when I input my team into my spreadsheet, the in-game numbers roughly match up with my calculations, so my formulas appear correct. Assumptions: HMC Team - FF at 504% Break Effect (number taken directly from my in game FF with all buffs active), Ruan Mei at 369% Break Effect (needed for Ruan Mei Talent DMG calc), 1 Enemy = +60% Super Break DMG multiplier, Boss = Svarog with 140 Toughness (2.7 MoC Side 1), 4 Super Break Attacks per Boss Break at E2 FF or 3 Super Break Attacks per Boss Break at E0 FF (my testing indicated that this was consistently the number of attacks that could be fit before Svarog recovered), E0S1 FF + E0S1 Ruan Mei + E0S0 Lingsha + E6[S5 Memories] HMC. Yes, I am aware that DDD may be slightly better, but it introduces a lot of complications to the calc that are difficult to address in a spreadsheet. Fugue Team - FF at 456% Break Effect (again, taken directly from my in-game FF with all buffs active), Ruan Mei at 292% Break Effect, Boss = Svarog with 140 Toughness (2.7 MoC Side 1), 4 Super Break Attacks per Boss Break at E2 FF or 3 Super Break Attacks per Boss Break at E0 FF, E0S1 FF + E0S1 Ruan Mei + E0S0 Lingsha + E0[S5 Resolution] Fugue HMC Super Break DMG = 219,543 DMG Fugue Super Break DMG = 159,082 DMG FF Super Break (HMC Team) DMG = 68,607 DMG FF Super Break (Fugue Team) DMG = 79,541 DMG FF (HMC Team) Weakness Break DMG = 167,444 DMG FF (Fugue Team) Weakness Break DMG = 189,854 DMG (x2) Ruan Mei Talent (HMC Team) DMG = 61,639 DMG Ruan Mei Talent (Fugue Team) DMG = 62,971 DMG (x2) Total DMG HMC-FF at E0S1 FF = (219,543 * 3) + (68,607 * 3) + (167,444) + (61,639) = 1,093,533 DMG Total DMG Fugue-FF at E0S1 FF = (159,082 * 3) + (79,541*3) + (189,854 * 2) + (62,971 * 2) = 1,221,519 DMG Total DMG HMC-FF at E2S1 FF = (241,952 * 4) + (75,610 * 4) + (182,952) + (61,639) = 1,514,839 DMG Total DMG Fugue-FF at E2S1 FF = (180,207 * 4) + (90,104 * 4) + (212,110 * 2) + (62,971* 2) = 1,631,406 DMG With E0S1 Firefly, Fugue is still a DMG upgrade in these calcs by around 127,986 DMG, which is a roughly 11.7% DMG upgrade. It is technically slightly less of an upgrade for E2 FF in terms of pure damage, at 116,567 DMG (7.7% DMG upgrade), but Exo-Toughness is a massive QOL improvement for E2 FF as it makes it much, much easier to trigger the Extra Turn and will probably work out to be a much bigger upgrade in practice considering the extra turns that might have been missed without Exo-Toughness. Also, the above calculations assume the full +60% Super Break modifier for HMC, which means 1 enemy. If you are against more than 1 enemy for any of the attacks, then the numbers turn even more in favor of Fugue. I did a quick simulation to try to account for S5 DDD on HMC, but it is difficult to consistently translate that into an additional FF attack during the Boss Break rotation. It depends too much on the starting Action Value, HMC energy rotation and other factors. In my practical test in-game, the rotation did not line up to allow the DDD trigger to actually push forward FF enough to get an extra turn out of it before Svarog recovered. IF you can manage to leverage DDD into an additional FF attack, then S5 DDD HMC has a 8.9% advantage over E0[S5 Resolution] Fugue. But in the cases where you cannot leverage DDD into an extra attack (which was the case in the Svarog test run I attempted), then S5 DDD HMC is 15.1% worse than Fugue. In a longer fight that is perhaps taking multiple cycles, DDD might start to show more value as you are able to activate it more. That does not even account for other benefits to Fugue like the flexibility of Foxian Prayer to help other units contribute toughness damage off element. Now, is the above worth the pulls? Debatable. It's not a huge upgrade in raw DMG for Firefly. But, it is NOT a DMG loss like some people might try to convince you. I also did scale down the Break Effect numbers to simulate lower investment and the numbers still work out to be pretty similar. For example, a Firefly that is at 400% Break Effect in Battle with HMC vs 360% Break Effect in Battle with Fugue, with Ruan Mei down to 250% BE and 200% BE respectively, still works out to a roughly 12% DMG advantage for Fugue, so basically the same as my other calcs. Edit - Also, if people want more calcs, I can probably provide them upon request. Edit 2 - Forgot about Firefly's Personal Super Break Trigger, lol. Fixed above.
Sidenote, I think people are dismissing S1 a bit too off-handedly... 36% DMG Vulnerability is a lot and benefits the entire team, not just the DPS. In my damage calcs, the difference between E0S1 and E1[S5 Resolution] is like a 4% advantage to E1 in Firefly DMG only. Across the entire team, it is probably pretty closer than that. And both are only like a 12% - 15% increase over E0[S5 Resolution]. The reason why the 50% WBE isn't necessarily getting as much mileage as I think people might expect it to is because roughly 30-40% of the Total DMG is coming from the Weakness Break DMG and Ruan Mei Talent, neither of which care about Weakness Break Efficiency, but which do care about DMG Vulnerability. Still, it is true that S5 Resolution does a lot of work as a replacement for S1. S1 is a roughly 25% DMG increase over [S5 Tutorial], for example. You get the least benefit from S1 compared to E1 if you have an E2 Firefly because more of your damage proportionally is coming from Super Break DMG as opposed to the Weakness Break DMG and Ruan Mei Talent DMG. I still think E1 is more valuable because WBE also means that you Break faster, but the actual damage numbers are not as far removed as people have been kind of implying. PS - Even if you have E1 FF + E1 Ruan Mei + E1 Lingsha, it may still be worth it to use [S5 Resolution] instead of [S5 Tutorial], despite being overcapped on Def Reduction for the Super Break multiplier, simply because the the Weakness Break DMG and Ruan Mei Talent DMG both are NOT Def Reduction capped due to how Iron Cavalry works (only applicable to Firefly's personal DMG and 15% of the Def Ignore is exclusive to Super Break DMG).
@@paavofritschi1327 Just a head's up, I updated the numbers above. I had completely forgot about Firefly's Personal Super Break trigger from her A4 Trace, lol. It's not a huge difference, but it is some difference. Added it to my calcs and fixed all the numbers. It actually widens the gap for Fugue because it is amplified by the Def Reduction Fugue is providing.
One thing I'm sure about as a Fugue puller is that while we're moving to Summon Meta, Break is not falling into irrelevancy since it's a big part of the game and there's Superbreak but ofc Meta in the future might steer away from Break without Endgame Break Buffs Also and most importantly, Remember that Memosprites will most likely deal Break DMG right ? I mean if they attack and break the enemy's Toughness bar that's still Break DMG so this means technically Hoyo can do a Remembrance DPS unit who's using the Break playstyle.
@@farouktalbi863 honestly, I think many people are temporarily abandoning break team not because they think break will suck. In fact, most of us will probably continue to use break quite far into 3.x. The issue is that we will have to build a summon team from scratch, which will definitely cost a lot more jades, making hyper investing in break team not so favourable (need to balance investment in both teams). Furthermore, we already have leaks for a few characters in 3.x and they are mostly hp/summon oriented DPS. It is definitely possible to have a summon break DPS in the future, but I would prefer to have a well built summon team before further investing in break team. Can probably just grab fugue in her rerun, which probably won't be long
Exactly! Considering we have break FUA units like Xueyi & break DOT units like Luka, I’d like to think that HSR will do the same for Remembrance. And they’ll be limited as well!
I don’t have robin cuz of dentge move when I was pulling for her during her rerun. Should I save for robin 3rd rerun in 3.0 or pull for fugue? (Main meta units that I have that were also talked about in the video: E1S1 RM, E0S0 FF, E0S0 FeiX, E0S0 Sunday, E0S0 Lingsha, E1S1 Acheron[Lost 50/50 for E2 sadge])
Is E1 Lingsha worth it if I have E2 Firefly, Fugue, and E2 Ruan Mei ? I feel like the 100% def shred + the additional toughness damage will change everything.
Yes I have E1 Firefly Ruan Mei and Lingsha, and with Fugue adding another def shred for a total of 98% def shred is a massive damage boost E1 Lingsha also comes with her self 50% WBE which makes her damage even better. I've tested the no sustain Firefly setup with HMC, and the team with Lingsha performs better since her damage contribution offset the extra SB from HMC and you actually have some sustain/cleanse
I started playing the game from a month , my team is : Sunday , Jing yuan , Firefly , Bronya , bailu , tingyuin , gallagher , should i farm and pull for fugue or save for better options , and is my account has a good start as a f2p ? 🙏
My two main teams are E0S1 Feixiao, E0 Robin, E0 Aventurine and E1S1 Topaz. And E2S1 Acheron, E2S1 Sparkle with flex nihility and sustain teammates. I have E1 Jade who I hear is gonna be a great teammate for The Herta. I have E2S1 Ruan Mei but no break DPS unless you count E6 Xueyi or break Himeko. My only 5 star eruditions are Jade and Jing Yuan without Sunday. Should I pull for Fugue or wait for The Herta or pull Robin eidolons or a Jiaoqiu ... ? (Sorry for the long question 😅)
Between an E2 firefly and having e0 fugue which would be the choice for a f2p player? I was lucky and I got e1 firefly in her original banner. I have a guaranteed.
One of fugue's biggest selling point is she allows HMC to switch to remembrance. While this definitely stand as fugue is the core of future break teams, i believe remembrance MC will not be bringing that much value in the short run. Fyi, Herta and aglaea dont need remembrance MC all that much especially since most ppl alr have robin whos currently better in both teams. Hence, we can definitely afford to wait a while as remembrance MC is not urgently needed. Furthermore, with how close 3.2 is and leaks saying that castorice may be very eidolon dependent + her teamate literally coming in 3.1, saving up to secure her feels like a much safer option for a f2p.
I'm gonna say this rn, BREAK is going nowhere. oh 3.0 is summon meta? ok and why does everyone say that like toughness bars are gonna stop existing? superbreak will clear all content forever and you can quote me on that 1 enemy out of 500 having weakness lock changes absolutely nothing so don't be afraid to invest in break units
![Tingyun or Fugue Tragic Life Story [Honkai Star Rail Lore]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/N1O-hbhEwoQ/mqdefault.jpg)
is fugue good for miyabi
Miyabi would rather have a support so might want to consider Citlali instead
@@tdof7217To be honest, just slap Theresa and call it a day
Nah best team for Miyabi is:
- Miyabi (Dps)
- Sanhua (Support/Sub Dps)
- Ruan Mei (Support)
- Kokomi (Sustain)
@@MrJceOfficialwhat are you on little bro? Sanhua autro buffs normals, and Miyabi's main source of damage is charged attacks. Just better run mortefi
Music is too loud
blud opens hsr game and left it on the login screen on more than half of ask pokke segment, not an editor mistake just pokke being a dented streamer
music is not loud enough
I will repost what I had posted to another video on the topic, since this video did include a number of questions related to the value of Fugue from the perspective of a FF player:
Just to help anyone that has Firefly regarding making the decision on this, here are some of my calcs from my spreadsheet. FWIW, when I input my team into my spreadsheet, the in-game numbers roughly match up with my calculations, so my formulas appear correct.
Assumptions:
HMC Team - FF at 504% Break Effect (number taken directly from my in game FF with all buffs active), Ruan Mei at 369% Break Effect (needed for Ruan Mei Talent DMG calc), 1 Enemy = +60% Super Break DMG multiplier, Boss = Svarog with 140 Toughness (2.7 MoC Side 1), 4 Super Break Attacks per Boss Break at E2 FF or 3 Super Break Attacks per Boss Break at E0 FF (my testing indicated that this was consistently the number of attacks that could be fit before Svarog recovered), E0S1 FF + E0S1 Ruan Mei + E0S0 Lingsha + E6[S5 Memories] HMC. Yes, I am aware that DDD may be slightly better, but it introduces a lot of complications to the calc that are difficult to address in a spreadsheet.
Fugue Team - FF at 456% Break Effect (again, taken directly from my in-game FF with all buffs active), Ruan Mei at 292% Break Effect, Boss = Svarog with 140 Toughness (2.7 MoC Side 1), 4 Super Break Attacks per Boss Break at E2 FF or 3 Super Break Attacks per Boss Break at E0 FF, E0S1 FF + E0S1 Ruan Mei + E0S0 Lingsha + E0[S5 Resolution] Fugue
HMC Super Break DMG = 219,543 DMG
Fugue Super Break DMG = 159,082 DMG
FF Super Break (HMC Team) DMG = 68,607 DMG
FF Super Break (Fugue Team) DMG = 79,541 DMG
FF (HMC Team) Weakness Break DMG = 167,444 DMG
FF (Fugue Team) Weakness Break DMG = 189,854 DMG (x2)
Ruan Mei Talent (HMC Team) DMG = 61,639 DMG
Ruan Mei Talent (Fugue Team) DMG = 62,971 DMG (x2)
Total DMG HMC-FF at E0S1 FF = (219,543 * 3) + (68,607 * 3) + (167,444) + (61,639) = 1,093,533 DMG
Total DMG Fugue-FF at E0S1 FF = (159,082 * 3) + (79,541*3) + (189,854 * 2) + (62,971 * 2) = 1,221,519 DMG
Total DMG HMC-FF at E2S1 FF = (241,952 * 4) + (75,610 * 4) + (182,952) + (61,639) = 1,514,839 DMG
Total DMG Fugue-FF at E2S1 FF = (180,207 * 4) + (90,104 * 4) + (212,110 * 2) + (62,971* 2) = 1,631,406 DMG
With E0S1 Firefly, Fugue is still a DMG upgrade in these calcs by around 127,986 DMG, which is a roughly 11.7% DMG upgrade. It is technically slightly less of an upgrade for E2 FF in terms of pure damage, at 116,567 DMG (7.7% DMG upgrade), but Exo-Toughness is a massive QOL improvement for E2 FF as it makes it much, much easier to trigger the Extra Turn and will probably work out to be a much bigger upgrade in practice considering the extra turns that might have been missed without Exo-Toughness. Also, the above calculations assume the full +60% Super Break modifier for HMC, which means 1 enemy. If you are against more than 1 enemy for any of the attacks, then the numbers turn even more in favor of Fugue.
I did a quick simulation to try to account for S5 DDD on HMC, but it is difficult to consistently translate that into an additional FF attack during the Boss Break rotation. It depends too much on the starting Action Value, HMC energy rotation and other factors. In my practical test in-game, the rotation did not line up to allow the DDD trigger to actually push forward FF enough to get an extra turn out of it before Svarog recovered. IF you can manage to leverage DDD into an additional FF attack, then S5 DDD HMC has a 8.9% advantage over E0[S5 Resolution] Fugue. But in the cases where you cannot leverage DDD into an extra attack (which was the case in the Svarog test run I attempted), then S5 DDD HMC is 15.1% worse than Fugue. In a longer fight that is perhaps taking multiple cycles, DDD might start to show more value as you are able to activate it more.
That does not even account for other benefits to Fugue like the flexibility of Foxian Prayer to help other units contribute toughness damage off element. Now, is the above worth the pulls? Debatable. It's not a huge upgrade in raw DMG for Firefly. But, it is NOT a DMG loss like some people might try to convince you. I also did scale down the Break Effect numbers to simulate lower investment and the numbers still work out to be pretty similar. For example, a Firefly that is at 400% Break Effect in Battle with HMC vs 360% Break Effect in Battle with Fugue, with Ruan Mei down to 250% BE and 200% BE respectively, still works out to a roughly 12% DMG advantage for Fugue, so basically the same as my other calcs.
Edit - Also, if people want more calcs, I can probably provide them upon request.
Edit 2 - Forgot about Firefly's Personal Super Break Trigger, lol. Fixed above.
Sidenote, I think people are dismissing S1 a bit too off-handedly... 36% DMG Vulnerability is a lot and benefits the entire team, not just the DPS. In my damage calcs, the difference between E0S1 and E1[S5 Resolution] is like a 4% advantage to E1 in Firefly DMG only. Across the entire team, it is probably pretty closer than that. And both are only like a 12% - 15% increase over E0[S5 Resolution].
The reason why the 50% WBE isn't necessarily getting as much mileage as I think people might expect it to is because roughly 30-40% of the Total DMG is coming from the Weakness Break DMG and Ruan Mei Talent, neither of which care about Weakness Break Efficiency, but which do care about DMG Vulnerability. Still, it is true that S5 Resolution does a lot of work as a replacement for S1. S1 is a roughly 25% DMG increase over [S5 Tutorial], for example. You get the least benefit from S1 compared to E1 if you have an E2 Firefly because more of your damage proportionally is coming from Super Break DMG as opposed to the Weakness Break DMG and Ruan Mei Talent DMG.
I still think E1 is more valuable because WBE also means that you Break faster, but the actual damage numbers are not as far removed as people have been kind of implying.
PS - Even if you have E1 FF + E1 Ruan Mei + E1 Lingsha, it may still be worth it to use [S5 Resolution] instead of [S5 Tutorial], despite being overcapped on Def Reduction for the Super Break multiplier, simply because the the Weakness Break DMG and Ruan Mei Talent DMG both are NOT Def Reduction capped due to how Iron Cavalry works (only applicable to Firefly's personal DMG and 15% of the Def Ignore is exclusive to Super Break DMG).
Wow that just clears every question I had in mind
@@paavofritschi1327 Just a head's up, I updated the numbers above. I had completely forgot about Firefly's Personal Super Break trigger from her A4 Trace, lol. It's not a huge difference, but it is some difference. Added it to my calcs and fixed all the numbers. It actually widens the gap for Fugue because it is amplified by the Def Reduction Fugue is providing.
One thing I'm sure about as a Fugue puller is that while we're moving to Summon Meta, Break is not falling into irrelevancy since it's a big part of the game and there's Superbreak but ofc Meta in the future might steer away from Break without Endgame Break Buffs
Also and most importantly, Remember that Memosprites will most likely deal Break DMG right ? I mean if they attack and break the enemy's Toughness bar that's still Break DMG so this means technically Hoyo can do a Remembrance DPS unit who's using the Break playstyle.
Great way to look at it, I like the way you explained it.
@@farouktalbi863 honestly, I think many people are temporarily abandoning break team not because they think break will suck. In fact, most of us will probably continue to use break quite far into 3.x. The issue is that we will have to build a summon team from scratch, which will definitely cost a lot more jades, making hyper investing in break team not so favourable (need to balance investment in both teams). Furthermore, we already have leaks for a few characters in 3.x and they are mostly hp/summon oriented DPS. It is definitely possible to have a summon break DPS in the future, but I would prefer to have a well built summon team before further investing in break team. Can probably just grab fugue in her rerun, which probably won't be long
It's really just a timing issue, if fugue is released 2 patches ago, number of people pulling her will be way way more
I believe Fugue will not go mid because we might get a Break Remembrance unit.
Break is not dying in 3.X basically.
Yeah people just don’t realise the possibility of break summon units (like Numby and Bunny)
Exactly! Considering we have break FUA units like Xueyi & break DOT units like Luka, I’d like to think that HSR will do the same for Remembrance. And they’ll be limited as well!
It's just bad timing really.. So everyone is convincing themselves she is not worth it
@@MJAY552Basically Jiaoqiu and Lingsha all over again
I don’t have robin cuz of dentge move when I was pulling for her during her rerun. Should I save for robin 3rd rerun in 3.0 or pull for fugue? (Main meta units that I have that were also talked about in the video: E1S1 RM, E0S0 FF, E0S0 FeiX, E0S0 Sunday, E0S0 Lingsha, E1S1 Acheron[Lost 50/50 for E2 sadge])
I cannot focus on the video
1st reason: The background music is quite loud.
2nd reason: Pokke cosplay as Fugue. Too good!
Is E1 Lingsha worth it if I have E2 Firefly, Fugue, and E2 Ruan Mei ? I feel like the 100% def shred + the additional toughness damage will change everything.
at that point just play sustainless lol. with that amount of eidolons youd clear all enemies before they move once
Yes
I have E1 Firefly Ruan Mei and Lingsha, and with Fugue adding another def shred for a total of 98% def shred is a massive damage boost
E1 Lingsha also comes with her self 50% WBE which makes her damage even better.
I've tested the no sustain Firefly setup with HMC, and the team with Lingsha performs better since her damage contribution offset the extra SB from HMC and you actually have some sustain/cleanse
I'm a F2P with E2S1 FF, E1S1 RM, E1S1 Lingsha, and E1S1 Fugue. FF did over a million dmge twice. It's worth it imo
do i try E1 fugue or E0 lingsha(if she reruning next patch ) ?
if you already have 2 limited sustains then pull E1 the 50% break efficiency on top of ruan mie's is broken ngl
I started playing the game from a month , my team is : Sunday , Jing yuan , Firefly , Bronya , bailu , tingyuin , gallagher , should i farm and pull for fugue or save for better options , and is my account has a good start as a f2p ? 🙏
Get fugue to finish team
My two main teams are E0S1 Feixiao, E0 Robin, E0 Aventurine and E1S1 Topaz.
And E2S1 Acheron, E2S1 Sparkle with flex nihility and sustain teammates.
I have E1 Jade who I hear is gonna be a great teammate for The Herta. I have E2S1 Ruan Mei but no break DPS unless you count E6 Xueyi or break Himeko.
My only 5 star eruditions are Jade and Jing Yuan without Sunday. Should I pull for Fugue or wait for The Herta or pull Robin eidolons or a Jiaoqiu ... ?
(Sorry for the long question 😅)
chat spam leaker is so funny LOL
I mean...
Team build question, which boothill team is better?
1. Boothill RM HMC Fugue
2. Boothill Bronya HMC Fugue
Neither, best is
Boot Hill
Bot Heel
Booty Cheeks
Serra the Rat
Jokes aside probably 2 but I would replace hmc with RM
11:57 brothers doing tricks on it like Robin 😮💨
Between an E2 firefly and having e0 fugue which would be the choice for a f2p player? I was lucky and I got e1 firefly in her original banner. I have a guaranteed.
Character over eidolon always for f2p
Now if we can only get DoT supp in 3.0…
theoretically speaking
Bro i cant hear MrPokke because of the audio...
Oh, how did she (he) lost her one ear? 😲
It is a long story
It is a long story
One of fugue's biggest selling point is she allows HMC to switch to remembrance. While this definitely stand as fugue is the core of future break teams, i believe remembrance MC will not be bringing that much value in the short run. Fyi, Herta and aglaea dont need remembrance MC all that much especially since most ppl alr have robin whos currently better in both teams. Hence, we can definitely afford to wait a while as remembrance MC is not urgently needed. Furthermore, with how close 3.2 is and leaks saying that castorice may be very eidolon dependent + her teamate literally coming in 3.1, saving up to secure her feels like a much safer option for a f2p.
We also don't really have to worry about important characters not rerunning fast enough, just see how fast ling sha gonna rerun already lol
Won't CN complain to have MC be played with all versions.
Tang Yuan
I'm gonna say this rn, BREAK is going nowhere.
oh 3.0 is summon meta? ok and why does everyone say that like toughness bars are gonna stop existing?
superbreak will clear all content forever and you can quote me on that
1 enemy out of 500 having weakness lock changes absolutely nothing so don't be afraid to invest in break units
LOUDER MR EDITOR
Thanks
ask zajef clone
dont make zzz videos
continue with hsr videos
cry harder he doesnt read people's comments
You could always just not watch his zzz content 😂, he'll cover whatever he wants at the end of the day