What Is Missing For Indian Football? | Discussion On Indian Football | Ep: #1 | Chakde Football
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.ค. 2024
- Host: Sagil
Co-Host: Hans Gupta
Speakers: Ranjit Bajaj, Yash Arora, Jeremy Fishbein, Elvis Goes, Hitesh Joshi, Nabab Bhattacharya, Sarthak Bose
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Timelapse:-
00:00 Trailer
02:00 Introduction
03:08 Thoughts on Asia Cup
09:36 1.4 billion population
10:26 State football leagues
13:02 Investing in youth development
19:01 Whom do we blame for the growth of Indian football?
26:51 India is waiting for next Mohamed Salah
44:12 Sad reality of Indian football
51:28 Developing youth footballers
54:23 Voting in AIFF
57:18 A player talking about his playing experience in Kolkata League
1:02:49 How hockey is growing in India?
1:09:17 ISL exposed
1:15:28 Changing Indian football together
1:22:33 Initiative of India Khelo Football
1:24:15 Hero ISL’s contribution to Indian football
1:30:24 Promotion in Indian Super League
1:34:16 Indian football is a servant
1:42:51 How can we change Indian football?
1:46:10 Election in AIFF
1:47:37 Indian football will never change
1:49:40 Political involvement in AIFF
1:51:33 Education is important for football players
1:53:31 Our message to the controllers of Indian football: 1st Message
1:56:16 2nd Message
2:02:40 3rd Message
2:05:03 4th Message
Ranjit sir is a gem person. He should be the Aiff youth league president.
Yes he seems to be a dedicated person in the field we need more like him in Aiff
Minvera is one of the best academics in India
This discussion needs to reach so many more people
There is a need in the discussion one more elderly from - BOL DADA BOL
This discussion needs to reach AIFF
India should join CAFA immediately to develop Indian football
We are already getting walloped by powerhouses like Uzbekistan.
here for our GOAT YJR
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Nabab da has given the most logical and practical answers what needs to be done. All schools should include sports as a subject and these should be given preferences in jobs as well. Create a ecosystem.
I hope something will change in Indian football development and will play our best very soon.
Ghanta hoga change...agar isbaar galti se 3 Rd round qualify kar liya toh sab khus hojayenge aur muh band kr denge...nare bhi khatam development bhi khtam...other team ar growing like a f1 car and we are growing like a rikshaw 🥲
Not until we as citizen do smthng
We, the Denzong Boys from Sikkim had to discontinue playing in the 2nd division I-League after three years due to financial constraints.
I don't know why but Ranjit Bajaj always makes sense man
It's nothing rocket science don't know why aiff can't understand
The only reason we seem like a good cricket team too because hardly 7 or 8 countries play cricket now. Imagine if 40 or 50 nations were playing cricket including many major European or American (continent) countries our cricket would've looked just like our football. Look at Australia a country of 3 crore 15 times world champion in cricket, 7 gold medals in hockey so far ahead of India in almost all sports performance.
That's due to culture , they have sports culture , we here want engineers, doctors
100 se jyada countries cricket khelte hai lodu 😂
Tu kya cricket calculator pe dekhta hai 😂😂
@@SahilBhosale08so you meant to say Australians aren’t interested in becoming doctors and engineers or There’s no Aussie doctors/engineers? What you’re saying is just a sentence you use to escape from reality.
@@renzen1476 No there are Engineers and Doctors in Australia but they are by choice
In India more than 20% are not by choice , they are forced too, those want sports as career are always said to take such streams to be on safer side, that's what I meant that we have no sports culture
That is the best reason not to invest into football. Focus on cricket, tennis, hockey, kabbadi and badminton.
Breaking News
Jordan ranked 87th in Fifa Rankings just defeated South Korea ranked 23rd to reach the final of the Afc Asia Cup 2023 for the first time in their history. We India should learn something from Jordan
And what will come out of it?
@@rutvikrswhat will escaping the reality come out? Accept the truth.
@@georgievarghese3715 I am for scaling down football in India
What a panel - it's a much indeed conversation - good to know about some perceptions ❤-
Best group discussion of Indian football ❤. ...this should get millions of views
A great discussion on the Indian Football... 😍
Can you add me in the discussion, myself owner of National United Sporting Club, Delhi, also an Ex committee member of Futsal AIFF
Add him please
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You can email him ,so nxt time could be podcast with you 🎉
Seeing yash here really makes me happy.❤
This was an amazing panel, lot of Indian football insights we came to know. This panel was missing one important person though. This panel needed a corporate insider, someone who doesn't know lot about football but knows the inner workings of the corporate FSDL decision making and the mindsets of people who views football mostly as a profit making commodity. We often talk about what we want but to make things happen in this work, we also have to listen to what others want as well and come to a compromise. Elvis knows this inside out very well, What is he doing in portugal bhai, idhar aa jao
I wait for this
*What A Wonderful Discussion let's it reach to every football fan*
I concur that elevating the expert perspective to prioritize grassroots football in an impartial fashion holds promise for catalyzing positive change within Indian football.
Love these discussions
great insight about indian football and its current state
Salute to this whole team
Really really incisive discussion!!
There are a lot of great recreational players and great young players, but lack of structure leads to lack of development into senior level.
Great video…. Loved it 🤍
its a long haul, a journey of from grassroot to a senior team. and with the exposure players getting with ISL, I league & other domestic leagues, i am sure Indian Football will rise at exceptional pace in coming years.
Great work sir❤❤
Amazing
Lack of vision,discipline and interest is missing in indian football and in indian youths and in indian football fans
Best thing is u17 ,u16 players should go for trails in Europe & Latin American academy & clubs...inspite of 100s of facilities staying in india won't improve them much ...Jay Gupta is pure example of improvement.
Also this 1.4 billion logic is hoax ...more population is burden here , more population means less facilities per capita.
Regarding Vietnam case , Vietnam did grassroots development, have players in foreign league & allows Vietnamese origin players...Indonesia with origin players from Europe defeated Vietnam.
Now that the AIFF-FSDL deal ends in 2026 I expect RIL to pump in a lot of money in AIFF officials' pocket to continue again for another 15 years and ruin Indian football.
Yes . Lekin hume ye rokna hoga tab any how warna aur 15 sal tak ye problem hoga phir se
What reliance gets after loosing money as intrest in football will sink down further.
There should be a similar concept of uncapped players in the ISL as in IPL cricket matches. In the ISL matches, there should be a rule mandating that one player under 20🏅 and one player under 23🏅 be included in the playing XI. This way, emerging young players can get more game time. Share this comment and discuss it on every platform.⚽🔊
ISL matches should be watched compulsorily by school students
I'm from Northeast & I can assure you this. If govt can provide enough infrastructure and facilities to these players, NE alone can produce more than 50 international level players.
We can't and we don't need to. That support, infrastructure and facilities will run into billions. Better to spend the twentieth or fiftieth of that money on sports we can actually do well.
@@rutvikrsu mean cricket? Lol only a handful of countries play that sport that's why India is doing good.
@@SlimJim3082 cricket is one of them. Potentially looking at field hockey, badminton, wrestling and squash.
For all the derision you posted against cricket, they are billionaires with space to expand. Football is saturated and requires huge investment to get started off. This is exactly why Aussies and the US don't infuse money into football post sportswashing.
Bro make 10 - 20 mins short video for all the important section so people could consume the content
Good discussion 😢😢😢😢
A developing player who is 15 or 16 he need atleast a playing time of 1350 minutes it means 15 matches season. in India most of the players who is taking football as serious as their career they don't get these much of game time. This is where india needs to change in development. If the players doesn't get enough game time how will they develop in their game iq, tactics, technical all those things. In most of the states in India the state football association are not even paning the game schedule they only just wanted to finish the league, tournament or season as fast as they can, then how will the players will develop . This is the reality of India this needs to be changed if you real need to see india at the top ranking I'm world
The most football loving places don't have proper facilities, places like kerala and Western Maharashtra (Kolhapur, sangli, Pune) doesn't have proper support for football. Indian football authority isn't even investing in future. For most Indian athletes, no matter the sport, once you reach national, You get good income and that's enough for them, whether you win medal or not
India will only grow when we will start loving the game .....only love towards the game can take indians to wc.....
When they play well automatically everyone will love
The problem is we don't love hard enough. Like really get in there and love more.
good discussion
Hockey India is a good example of development in a sport. Orissa Govt infused money and the result was good.
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people like ranjit bajaj and nabab bhattacharya should start a campaign, they need to reach out PM asap.
i know it is difficult but the current PM has ability and popularity to let these population to make them aware.
Wo gujju dalla, reliance ka talwe chatne wala kutta.. usi haramzade ne i-leage ko barbad kar diya pichle das saal me...gujju gawar jaahil
The thing is if we don’t play good teams regularly we aren’t gonna make it and if we don’t focus on youth development we will fall back and never gonna reach anywhere and will always be considered a mediocre overhyped team in every tournament
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One day ❤
To popularise football in India exhibition matches should be conducted like மான்செஸ்டர் சிட்டி vs மும்பை சிட்டி in Mumbai
If you have the money to host man city than please donate
All those yapping in the comment section "cricket is only played between 7-8 countries" should know that football is already a saturated market unlike cricket . Just wait till the expansion of ipl to 30 teams and icc setting up cricket academies in countries like Russia, Iran and America happens. Then it will officialy takeover football in terms of number of viewers . Despite this happening, ipl is already the second most valuable league just behind NFL. And cricket doesn't even need more than 20 countries to rule sports industry cuz cricket already has india unlike football.... FYI information entire Europe's population is some 900 million while only india's population is 1.5 billion. And because of people like you disrespecting your own countrymen for loving cricket more will make it even harder for football to make inroads in india.
So keep your fake ego aside and start improving your product ( football quality) rather than cussing cricket cuz cricket is not your problem.
BCCI is a private organization which doesn't get any support or funding from the government instead it pays taxes to the government unlike stupid AIFF. Infact the tax that BCCI pays is more than the entire budget of sports ministry. So in a way BCCI is funding your AIFF.
Every time only discussion we need to do something serious
😂😂😂 atleast the discussion is going on
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The circle of life🙋♂️🙋♂️ As an indian Mark my words..
Skill
Jabb GK ki book mei Baichung Bhutia ka naam pada tha tabse I want Indian football to grow. For sure you’ve started the flames🫡🫡 thanks for this
Show some light on SIKKIM PREMIER LEAGUE its gonna be one of the biggest state league in INDIA in coming years
Compared to which league?
Yes its getting very good..but is there a league for U15, U17 there ?
I am really happy to see this condition of Indian football well deserved 😂😂
All this is true ...but I feel a huge mentality problem in Indian players which is not passing the ball ....does Palestine have an effing youth structure? When a country like Iceland can play football competitively do you really need a huge no. Of leagues and teams and what not just to produce 11 players who can simply pass the ball around. All you need is to pass the ball to the nearest/ easiest man and constantly change positions to provide passing options. I never see anyone doing that. The problem is Indians recognise/measure a player by their skills/ physical prowess but never by their game intelligence or vision. Reason why ISL games are so slow is players aren't constantly changing positions, making space so the player has to hold the ball for an extra amount of time searching for passing options.
Do selective , and just visit north east once. Talents and love for football everywhere
In india if you need change to come than that change has to come ftom the people. Football can be made popular by conducting street football tournaments. If football becomes popular and is taken up by the streets then the change will be fast and prominent. Hearts and mind have to be connected with the game.
from where i come from, football is naturally inherited since birth, still there was little grassroots development academics back than, and even the access to international football wasn't much compared to what we have today. Plus the infrastructure back than and now is much improved and it is getting improved day by day and the grassroots level programs are in motion for quite a few years now. so we shouldn't be expecting a overnight success in international football yet. process is long and we are on right path. football is getting noticed in india and thanks to ISL & new promotion and relegation process that will get implemented soon, youngsters are getting inspired by the same.
Oh. Are you from Suriname?
@@rutvikrs 🙄
In the future elite academies should come up who should transfer these good young players below 15 years of age to europe and get them exposure as well as proper training. Because AIFF attitude is such that india will fall behind nepal Bangladesh and pakistan in coming years.
I agree to the things Ranjit says or any of these acadmies speak. But they charge a Bomb to join the academy which means poor kids dont have a chance. Minerva charges 4.6 lakhs per annum in Punjab and 3.95 lakhs per annum in Bangalore. Where will a ordinary person go ? Charge money from people who have...but dont deny the people who cannot pay.
Somehow I feel....its all talks and vested interest.
Want new league with 20 + teams without franchise fees the league name Indian football league IFL .
No reliance & the league is fully organized by AIFF
AIFF PRESIDENT - Ranjit sir / Bhaichung Sir
Nabab sir and Ranjit sir❤
1st of all the generation 1980 to 2010 being an sport person is not easy[particularly india] as we know what we have to face now only parents realizing the importance sof sports
I request u all to pls have a trial in Darjeeling.....the most gifted players are there but there is no such academy which can a provide a good infrastructure for the players.....I can guarantee the locals who play out there are better than most of the league playersss.....
Better in what way? Ball skill is only 10% of the recipe.
Switch off santhosh league and switch on u-17 , u-15 , u-13 league
There's no proper youth development in Cricket even today. What makes you gentlemen think it'll happen in Football?
Jeremie is SO SPOT ON.
Nabab Sir❤
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Next time try to make it in all hindi and local languages, because the players, grassroot players and all the stakeholders should know these facts.
I’m going to say just one thing which I’ve been saying for years now - If someone reading this, who’s also at an authoritative position in Indian Football Association.. WORK ON YOUTH! Inspire young talents, encourage them to seek a career in football, train them to see results in coming 12-15 years. Grassroots programs are really important and are the only way India can succeed. You can’t have the desired results in just 4-5 years, remember you are not Japan or Korea. You are way behind them at the moment. Start with kids, and provide them amazing sporting culture in India itself and make them future greats. Grassroot is the way forward!
Wow such an original thought. I won 15 English quadruples and three WCs on FIFA following this strategy.
nabab sir is love
It's just not about the population! I think it's the DNA that matters the most!
Grassroots development is the long term solution.
It has been in place earlier also, but there has been no implementation. Academies did produce some good talents but then there was no exposure provided to them.
There have been valuable insights from everyone.
But at present you just need to ponder over what Jeremy said. You need to believe in yourself.
All National teams should be provided exposure regularly.
Education, healthcare, system, R&D, Unemployment insurance, Entrepreneurship, patent. Any other buzzwords that I missed?
I think there are few examples of India's boys failing to improve. The first reason is the population of this country. The second reason is that the career percentage is low at around 0.1%. Third reason 99.9% of boys do not achieve success.
If I was so rich I would have built football pitches in every city of India
Exactly, India gas the advantage of young players plating on the street like in Brasil. let young players of 12 yrs old also play with senior teams.. they will develop fast because of this
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We need 1) Academies to produce quality players every year 2) A long 10 month 50 ganes league to aid competition. 3) Selection of age group players from all the academies .
To improve point number 1. Have a pool of academies from each state. If 8 states have state competition, pool central money to support those acads. 8 states each having 20 acads will be 160 numbers give a pool of 2 cr each year. GOI can give a support of 350cr a year for football acads.
These players can easily play 40 games a year in their states and also play inter region compeition of another 10-15 games.
Now these 160 acads will have atleast 30 players thats like 5000 players coming up the system..
Your top 2 leagues ISL and Div 2 will need 24 teams and 25 player each will mean 600 players.
A professional will have a career of 15 year max, that means 40 players are required every year.
That means 10% of players in acads will getinto professional system.. rest of then should be given education, coaching, technical, sports medicine, etc. so that they can contribute as well.
You guys all together do something
I think we should follow the EFL Pyramid system of Promotion and relegation, that way players will have more hope while playing and will try to keep on improving just to get to that top 3-4 spot in order to get promotion.
India took 50 years in cricket to find Jasprit Bumrah, Siraj and Shami with new-commers like Akashdeep and Mayank Yadav as fast bowlers who are stronger and more athletic. This is going to happen with Indian football. The field hockey was found with small villages in Punjab and wrestlers like Khali were found only in that region. Dhyan Chand was a skilled player and not athletic and luckyly a stronger player may get selected as compared to Dhyan Chand. But Skill is always preferred over strength
Indian selectors will prefer Skill over strength and fitness. Brazil had this problem with Neymar who was injured all the time because his skill and dribling was far superior that his stronger body. Ronaldino's skill was crucial. Brazil had the right mixture of strength and skill combined. Pure skill can also be prefered like Japan which are smaller in stature. The coaching in Japan is better and the Japanese economy per capita is better to overcome the problem with JUST skilled players
Bro bring live fc goa owner also ... The man who make Buisness of football
Why is it so difficult to Indian to play a good football. Need to focus more on the Grassroot level. Rather than the senior. When we watch indain match, lacking of playing ground passes only kicking the ball high and simply clear the ball to the opponent . Newy lets hope for the best 👍💯
partly genetics for now but if our football academy youngsters consume more meat I believe they will definitely become physically stronger. If we look at middle eastern players they don't look any less like us Indians but their physicality is beyond us. The popularity of cricket also play a role in slow growth of football. I think the introduction of ISL has played a huge role in developing our interest in football which is good. But if we take Morocco for example also including many other nations, some of their players are not home grown. Those players got developed in hardcore footballing nations and when they return and represent their native country it pays off. It is no wonder to see one or two Indian origin cricketers representing other countries. At the end of the day, despite whatever excuses we make, what really matter is interest and love for the sport. Once our interest and love for this sport is entrenched in our society, football will grow and no will be able to stop us.
Only Odisha as a state care about sports in India, rest are just obsessed with crickets.
@AnishRaj-wh5hv People of England , Australia are also cricket lovers but see how there football team is performing . Kya India her sports mein aage jane ki kosis nahi kar sakta especially in football which is world's most celebrated and watched sport .
@AnishRaj-wh5hv Then why people always dream to see India in FIFA World Cup or dreaming India to lift the FIFA World Cup defeating big European , South American , Asian giants . Jaisa kaam waisa dream bhi dekha karona .
kisne kaha example like me who dont even care football hme kya lena dena football se hume cricket se pyar h aur india ko top 5 m aana h olympics m football se kya hi sporting country banega@@ayushmankar4100
😂 haryana, Punjab are highest medal winning states in Asian games odisha is nowhere 😅😅
What is the responsibility of the federation for bringing up young players.
Thanks to everyone 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Selection prosech is not good....we need Talent Football.er .... .same 11 is The problem.... young player....Jayesh Rana, Parthib Gogoi,...Joy Gupta.....and more young players Waiting for Indian Football.... where is gone.....Under 19...to23 pleyer and Isl,... Durant cup.... Santosh Trophy player...we are Unfortunately... same 11...How..we can Develop main problem is Selection plz... Discussion about it🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
What about poor countries in Afcon... Why War Countries like Syria, Palestine, Iraq play better than india.. they also have poor federation in old time... if football is so popular in North East, Goa, Kerala then why player of these states are not have hunger like other countries... Infact its a huge opportunity for these states player to play in Indian football why you want players from Punjab, Maharashtra, Delhi
Hunger without guidance nothing
The coaching is terrible at youth level tbh, kids are never taught about the technicalities and positioning and they are usually made to ton on running and shooting, without even teaching them proper technique.💀
Jyoti chauhan is the no 9 of dyanmo zagreb women team, there are 2 more indian women in that squad
The problem is simple, In India experience is proceed over great talent hence India do have players which can make India team competitive however players like Sunil Chetri give preference just becz of experience (PLZ DON'T ASSUME THAT I HATE CHETTRI, I AM ONE OF HIS BELOVED ❤FAN FOR HIS CONTRIBUTION) but the fact is if India football team want to become competitive then it has to give opportunity for players which are younger and more fast , as unlike cricket in football there is needed more strength nd just becz Chetri sir scored more goal in International level that doesn't mean he cannot be replaced or substituted till he retired. One can learn from Manchester United where they don't give Ronaldo chances in playing 11 becz they prefer talent over popularity, although many Ronaldo blind fan support him nd criticize Man. United but only tough decision make you grow ..... When I see India football match I feel like I am playing in field becz I find no de-similarities btw me and that person who are playing like a regional player nd doing silly mistakes.. hence one has to understand that it is not only Bollywood where baap ka beta become actor(NEPOTISM) but also in football where neta ka beta get preference over one Kerala or West Bengal boy who has skills and talents and similarly the coach is choosed by a panel who is already selected by jugaad instead of there talent, nd we think India football is improving 😂😂😂.. don't think that I am biased but the truth is truth and that's why we are mostly below 100 rank in football
If AiFF is serious call state FAs district FAs nd take hold of it....take all there powers nd put people who want to work not do corruption
Yes . But how to counter FSDL ?
After listening to this discussion, I feel Nabab bhattacharya Sir, Hitesh joshi & Ranjit Bajaj will help AIFF grow more if they get authority in the association becoz current members ain't doing shit.!
Nabab ji trying but have no fund in bengal no want to invest
@@pranabdas8866 We'll get funds when the aiff members are done filling up their pockets.!
Sir I would like to ask you why is the good players are on the bench most of the time,
For example forward players,
If you don't get pass from midfield how you going to score, why we are depending on the particular players, where are lot of players
Make more videos on critisim please tweet it to aiff we shall retweet
Plz we have to raise voice against aiff
Bring Northeastern people also brother bcz majority of indian players are from NE
Well u can ask the same to US or Europe, being the largest economy in the world can't produce 11 best cricket players...just because few people are interested in football in India, u can't force everyone to watch it, leave alone playing it...
Mohammed Salah and Son/ Park Ji Sung, are not good examples. the reason is both of them come from countries who have produced top talent before them. Egypt for example had Mido play in the premier league and Al Ahly is one of the best club teams in africa. in the case of south korea, they have hosted a world cup (2002) and have always produced talent that have played in Top leagues in europe and Asia. The south Korean league has been one of the top 3 leagues in Asia since the 90's.