1 1/2 weeks ago the left side spring of my wayne dalton broke so i had a garage door company come out to fix it but after looking at it he said getting parts was almost impossible. he wanted to put a spring torsion and then anyone can work on it so he did and i'm very happy now.
@@sosgds hi I have a iDrive opener and Wayne dalton door. How much would it cost to convert to a std to soon bar system and install a genie or liftmaster opener and keep the doors? Steve
Great content from a pro. I could us some insight to diagnose a W-D 9100 18 X 8 door/Genie ProMax PMX500 ICB lft that opens a few inches and then closes. The problem developed spontaneously so I thought it was a broken spring. Both cables have the same tension by feel and the indexed drum on both ends of the TorqueMaster spring still reads 18. I noticed/corrected a misalignment of vervitical track to radius causing wheel wear. Initially thinking this to be a cause for door to incompletely open, with the door closed, pushed the open limit switch and the door normally opened. Pushed the wall switch and the door closed normally. Opened door from the wall switch and the operator bracket ripped off the door. Wow, cardboard filler and soda can thick steel veneer. Straightened lift bracket and upper U- channel; new screew holes and construction adhesive to reassemble. Ready for second attempt (don't really want to purchase a new door yet). Manually lifting door with operator arm removed from operator bracket and door moves up but subjectively too heavy compared with adjacent 10' wide door. Questions. Is it likely both springs broke at the same time with equal residual cable tension? Do you see spring tension weaken with time (door is 19 years old with original springs)? Assuming the springs aren't broken, can I add more tension beyond 18 turns? In inches above the threshold, what is the recommended balance height if I tension beyond 18 turns? A local repairman said the TorqueMaster original springs are no longer available (web sites contradicit his comment) and the price of parts to convert to the new style Torque Master would be equivalent to a external torsion spring conversion. Is the Torsion spring assembly more maintenance free/durable? Do you have any recommendations for a door MFG with a solid core for mounting hardware? I understand a new door will likely be heavier than the current one and will require different springs. Thanks in advance for any feedback
Thanks....Jim PS ....when replacing 2 springs for a 8x16’ door, you would use 1 left turn spring & one right? For one door (8x8’) with spring on the right of The Center bearing you would use a right turn spring....Yes?
Thank you for the great question Jim. I think it's a matter of preference. Now are you saying you have a 8' wide by 16' tall door or 16' wide by 8' foot tall door? As for the 8x8 I prefer the right side spring. Not sure why. It's just preference.
@@sosgds i have 2 doors, both are 8’ high. The 8x8’ has a right spring, the 16’ wide has 2 springs. So that would mean i have a right spring on The Right and a left turn spring on the left? Thanks....Jim PS......I am a homeowner, but also a retired professional engineer. In my professional life, one of my product lines was garage door openers. I have both installed garage doors and openers. I have balanced many doors.i do not do it now, but like to keep up tp what’s new in the industry. I have a 2 year old Liftmaster bełt drive with MyQ, and I love it.
My Wayne Dalton torquemaster lasted 7 years and now I’m at a crossroads. Should I convert to the torsion springs or repair the Wayne Dalton? What would you do? Price is about the same.
It is a tough choice. Mainly because the Torquemaster was really designed for a door like the Wayne Dalton 9100 model door. But if you want to get better cycle life, that is longer cycles, then converting to torsion is the better choice.
Thank you for the feedback Rich! If you 9100 model door has windows then you will want to find a .207 1 3/4" diameter, 28 " or 29" long. If your door does not have windows then go with a .207 wire, 1 3/4" (1.75) diameter, 33 inches long. Hope this helps!
Excellent content!! Is there anyway to get Wayne dalton oem cables from a 3rd party I don’t have an account with Wayne dalton and I want to use cable that fit for a conversion.
Hello! Thank you for the support! I wish their cables were easily accessible. You could use the existing Torquemaster cables and crimp thumbles to work on the standard drums. But that does require purchasing more tools. Shoot me an email. Maybe I can find a local guys that might can help you.
My question is what is the equation to get the correct spring to a door. I know it has something to do with the width, height, weight of the door, and radius of the track, but what is the equation exactly when combining that information? I never find that answer.
Hello. Very good question. I was trained to calculate the door width, weight, and height. The formula for determining the size of torsion springs can look like this: Spring Size (in inches) = (Door Weight (in pounds) / 8) x (1 + (door height (in inches) / 7)) This formula is based on industry standards and the spring's specifications and is used as a rough estimate. My suggestion would be to contact a professional to get the proper insight for your specific door.
Hey buddy. Will a 0.225×2.0×28×1.od torsion spreen system work om the Wayne Dalton 9100. This is a HORMANN system. I appreciate your helpful videos. Thank you.
I'm trying to convert my Wayne dalton spring system to a traditional spring system and it's all pretty straight forward, except for one thing. I can't seem to find much info on where to buy a 16' torque tube for the conversion... Any advice?
Hello. Thanks for the question. Currently there is a shortage on parts. Thus if you are not able to find it locally I would try online. Here is a link to National Door Industries: www.natdoor.com/tt-16-1in-od-x-16ft-8in-14ga-torsion-tube231850.html Hope this helps.
After 20 years I decided to convert my Torque Master to Torsion Spring after watching SOS videos. I have 9' wide x 8' high WD 9100 with windows on top. Please suggest the correct spring size (s). Should I use one or two springs per 9'wx8'h door with top windows on 9100 model ? Thanks
@@sosgds Our Torque Master system has started to fail on one side of a Wayne Dalton double door (cable is fraying). This started barely five years after the home builder installed it. Two estimates so far want to install a torsion spring system. We've been given single spring and double spring estimates. I'm guessing a double spring system would last longer?
Hi sir, my g. Door wayne dalton 16×7, i want to conver to tortion spring system what left & right spring. But I can't find the size 207 - 1.75 - 33' you recommend. Can I use 225 - 1.75 - 33' ? My G. door no windows
Hello Nam. Do you know if your Wayne Dalton garage doors is like the one in the video? If it is then I would try my hardest to find the .207 33" springs or stay with Torquemaster. Thus I highly encourage you to know what is the exact motor of garage door you own. Is the 9100 model door? Is it the 9600 or 9605? Is it the 8000? Or maybe it's the 8300. That's where I would start.
I have torque master + system and 1 spring is broken and I am trying to find technician who can replace spring. However, everyone I am calling they are more interested in torsion spring conversion that replacing broken spring. Can you please tell me the cost of the torsion spring conversion system? Thanks.
Hello. Thank you for the question. The cost for a conversion will vary from area to area. In Southern California a torsion spring conversion can start at $500 and go up from there. It's a shame that no one wants to help with your current Torquemaster. Do you know the model of garage door that you have? Is it similar to one in the video?
Hi, currently have a Wayne Dalton iDrive for both the double 16’ x 7’ door and the single door. I want to change the iDrive opener to a Genie or Liftmaster and keep the doors? Anyone have any idea on how much it costs to convert to a std torsion bar system ?
Hello Steve! Yes you should be able to convert your Torquemaster to Torsion. As for the cost, well that will depend on the dealer installer. For a conversion you will need to replace additional parts, such as end brackets, torsion tube, etc. I have seen pricing go north of $600 for a job such as this. There is also the option to utilize a Torquemaster adapter. This adapter will connect to your current Torquemaster Springs and with a Wall Mount motor.
Hello! That's a great question. Here are a few benefits converting Torquemaster to Torsion. 1. Torsion springs can offer higher cycle life. 2. A torsion spring conversion allows easier installation of a wall mount motor. 3. Torsion springs can be easier to maintain. 4. Torsion springs offers more spring size options. As for the cost in a spring conversion will vary in your area. Some dealers start from $700 - $1000. Hope that helps.
You don't mention the rod size, I know it's supposed to be 1"OD, can 1" emt be used or black pipe. I have the 9600 series 9' low headroom is the 7' cable good to use and what spring size would you recommend. Thanks
Hello Wes. Technically you can use 1" Electric Metal Tube Conduit if you are in a bind. But you want to ensure that the tube is at least 16 gauge. As for the spring I would stick with a 207 by 1 3/4" by 33" or 34" long. Hope this helps.
That's an excellent question. How often do you use your garage door? How many times have you replaced the current torque Master spring system? In most cases I recommend the torque Master Plus spring for the 9100 model door. Yet if you want to get longer cycle life out of a garage door then converting to a torsion spring system might be the better decision.
I release the tension on torque 2 with 5/8 socket , a vise grip and a screw driver ......not for the faint of heart...torque master is junk and they ALL need to go...btw , I use torque force hardware...best hack is to node the existing cables if they are in good shape....207 2 24 works great on 7 ' 70 # door....one more btw, yellow tag WDs are not always accurate.....cool video
What a mess this industry has become. I can't find any kits/parts locally to convert torquemaster to torsion. I'd have to buy/order online and wait, then piece together a system with a new torsion bar? I guess I might just replace the darn torquemaster springs (again), got 6 years out of the last set before busting. Local installers want $800 to convert, it's about $190 to buy new springs for torquemaster. 6 years ago I paid $90 shipped for both torquemaster springs which was....much more reasonable.
Thank you for sharing your experience. Like every industry, it's becoming increasingly harder to give the customer options to repair the garage door system. The Torquemaster was designed for a more user friendly experience. If you can find the springs for under $100 it might make sense to DIY this project.
@@sosgds Thanks. I did find them on ebay for about $100 shipped. I think I'll see if they fit/work, if they do I might just buy another backup set. I got a few local quotes, the lowest quote I got was for $700 actually to remove the torquemaster and put in a SINGLE spring system for a 16' door. I think there are a lot of people just trying too hard to increase profit. No way should a 16' door have a single spring...if only for the safety reason alone. Thanks for the video etc., it helped me a lot.
@@ColoradoFishing just bought this house and am now learning about the torquemaster. I see the parts are readily available right now. Why the change to the original style? I kind of like the torques
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1 1/2 weeks ago the left side spring of my wayne dalton broke so i had a garage door company come out to fix it but after looking at it he said getting parts was almost impossible. he wanted to put a spring torsion and then anyone can work on it so he did and i'm very happy now.
It's usually the many go with. Thanks for sharing your story.
Usually they say “that system is so outdated & faulty Wayne dalton discontinued it all together” 😂👌
@@sosgds hi I have a iDrive opener and Wayne dalton door. How much would it cost to convert to a std to soon bar system and install a genie or liftmaster opener and keep the doors?
Steve
Great content from a pro. I could us some insight to diagnose a W-D 9100 18 X 8 door/Genie ProMax PMX500 ICB lft that opens a few inches and then closes. The problem developed spontaneously so I thought it was a broken spring. Both cables have the same tension by feel and the indexed drum on both ends of the TorqueMaster spring still reads 18. I noticed/corrected a misalignment of vervitical track to radius causing wheel wear. Initially thinking this to be a cause for door to incompletely open, with the door closed, pushed the open limit switch and the door normally opened. Pushed the wall switch and the door closed normally. Opened door from the wall switch and the operator bracket ripped off the door. Wow, cardboard filler and soda can thick steel veneer. Straightened lift bracket and upper U- channel; new screew holes and construction adhesive to reassemble. Ready for second attempt (don't really want to purchase a new door yet). Manually lifting door with operator arm removed from operator bracket and door moves up but subjectively too heavy compared with adjacent 10' wide door. Questions. Is it likely both springs broke at the same time with equal residual cable tension? Do you see spring tension weaken with time (door is 19 years old with original springs)? Assuming the springs aren't broken, can I add more tension beyond 18 turns? In inches above the threshold, what is the recommended balance height if I tension beyond 18 turns? A local repairman said the TorqueMaster original springs are no longer available (web sites contradicit his comment) and the price of parts to convert to the new style Torque Master would be equivalent to a external torsion spring conversion. Is the Torsion spring assembly more maintenance free/durable? Do you have any recommendations for a door MFG with a solid core for mounting hardware? I understand a new door will likely be heavier than the current one and will require different springs. Thanks in advance for any feedback
Thanks....Jim
PS ....when replacing 2 springs for a 8x16’ door, you would use 1 left turn spring & one right? For one door (8x8’) with spring on the right of The Center bearing you would use a right turn spring....Yes?
Thank you for the great question Jim. I think it's a matter of preference. Now are you saying you have a 8' wide by 16' tall door or 16' wide by 8' foot tall door? As for the 8x8 I prefer the right side spring. Not sure why. It's just preference.
@@sosgds i have 2 doors, both are 8’ high. The 8x8’ has a right spring, the 16’ wide has 2 springs. So that would mean i have a right spring on The Right and a left turn spring on the left? Thanks....Jim
PS......I am a homeowner, but also a retired professional engineer. In my professional life, one of my product lines was garage door openers. I have both installed garage doors and openers. I have balanced many doors.i do not do it now, but like to keep up tp what’s new in the industry. I have a 2 year old Liftmaster bełt drive with MyQ, and I love it.
My Wayne Dalton torquemaster lasted 7 years and now I’m at a crossroads. Should I convert to the torsion springs or repair the Wayne Dalton? What would you do? Price is about the same.
It is a tough choice. Mainly because the Torquemaster was really designed for a door like the Wayne Dalton 9100 model door. But if you want to get better cycle life, that is longer cycles, then converting to torsion is the better choice.
I just ordered a new spring for $49.99 - about from Wayne dalton part dot com. $72 with shipping. Replaced the spring in about 3 hours.
@@miltw3 I just ordered 2 sets of springs (one backup set) , should be good for 20 years. DIY replace is easy ernough
Enjoyed your video, I have the WD 9100 9x7 door. Can you clarify the single spring choice that I will need for the conversion please?
Thank you for the feedback Rich! If you 9100 model door has windows then you will want to find a .207 1 3/4" diameter, 28 " or 29" long. If your door does not have windows then go with a .207 wire, 1 3/4" (1.75) diameter, 33 inches long. Hope this helps!
@@sosgds Yes, thanks
Excellent content!! Is there anyway to get Wayne dalton oem cables from a 3rd party I don’t have an account with Wayne dalton and I want to use cable that fit for a conversion.
Hello! Thank you for the support! I wish their cables were easily accessible. You could use the existing Torquemaster cables and crimp thumbles to work on the standard drums. But that does require purchasing more tools. Shoot me an email. Maybe I can find a local guys that might can help you.
What springs would you use on a 16x8 ?
I always just take the cables off with the door open, pop my new cables on and lower the door. I never take the cable out of the drum
Woah. Well that's one way to do it. Now is that to just to release them tension or to replace the cables?
I usually do a conversation so I'm changing everything. Usually have to pinch the cables to have them fit correctly
My question is what is the equation to get the correct spring to a door. I know it has something to do with the width, height, weight of the door, and radius of the track, but what is the equation exactly when combining that information? I never find that answer.
Hello. Very good question. I was trained to calculate the door width, weight, and height. The formula for determining the size of torsion springs can look like this:
Spring Size (in inches) = (Door Weight (in pounds) / 8) x (1 + (door height (in inches) / 7))
This formula is based on industry standards and the spring's specifications and is used as a rough estimate. My suggestion would be to contact a professional to get the proper insight for your specific door.
Those do look cool, especially with the old, I think it's called "i-Drive", openers, but I don't think I'd want one due to the maintenance.
Hey buddy. Will a 0.225×2.0×28×1.od torsion spreen system work om the Wayne Dalton 9100. This is a HORMANN system. I appreciate your helpful videos. Thank you.
Hello. If you are using a 225 wire spring on your 9100 model door without windows, you will need a 225 2" by 45 long.
Yes, I installed the new torsion bar system and it works very well. Smooth operation. Thank you.
I'm trying to convert my Wayne dalton spring system to a traditional spring system and it's all pretty straight forward, except for one thing. I can't seem to find much info on where to buy a 16' torque tube for the conversion... Any advice?
Hello. Thanks for the question. Currently there is a shortage on parts. Thus if you are not able to find it locally I would try online.
Here is a link to National Door Industries: www.natdoor.com/tt-16-1in-od-x-16ft-8in-14ga-torsion-tube231850.html
Hope this helps.
Awesome video!! Do you have to get a new torsion tube for the conversion?
Thank you for the feedback. Yes you will need a new torsion tube for the torsion spring conversion. Do you know the exact width of your garage door?
@@sosgds 16’. I think I need a 17’ torsion bar correct
Yes. 16' 11" is what will be available. You should be good. 👍
@@sosgds Thanks for such an informative video!!
My pleasure! Stay safe party person!
After 20 years I decided to convert my Torque Master to Torsion Spring after watching SOS videos. I have 9' wide x 8' high WD 9100 with windows on top. Please suggest the correct spring size (s). Should I use one or two springs per 9'wx8'h door with top windows on 9100 model ? Thanks
Thank you for the great question! Stay with a single spring. I suggest looking at a .207 x 1.75 x 27 spring. That should provide up to 20K cycles.
@@sosgds Our Torque Master system has started to fail on one side of a Wayne Dalton double door (cable is fraying). This started barely five years after the home builder installed it. Two estimates so far want to install a torsion spring system. We've been given single spring and double spring estimates. I'm guessing a double spring system would last longer?
@MickF04 Hello. Thanks for sharing your feedback.
What size garage door do you have? For a single WD 9100 I would only use a single spring.
@@sosgds It a Wayne Dalton door. No idea of the model number. No windows. 16' wide x 7' high.
@@MickF04 2 spring system is best. I have more videos on the subject.
Hi sir, my g. Door wayne dalton 16×7, i want to conver to tortion spring system what left & right spring. But I can't find the size 207 - 1.75 - 33' you recommend.
Can I use 225 - 1.75 - 33' ? My G. door no windows
Hello Nam. Do you know if your Wayne Dalton garage doors is like the one in the video? If it is then I would try my hardest to find the .207 33" springs or stay with Torquemaster. Thus I highly encourage you to know what is the exact motor of garage door you own. Is the 9100 model door? Is it the 9600 or 9605? Is it the 8000? Or maybe it's the 8300. That's where I would start.
I have torque master + system and 1 spring is broken and I am trying to find technician who can replace spring. However, everyone I am calling they are more interested in torsion spring conversion that replacing broken spring. Can you please tell me the cost of the torsion spring conversion system? Thanks.
Hello. Thank you for the question. The cost for a conversion will vary from area to area. In Southern California a torsion spring conversion can start at $500 and go up from there. It's a shame that no one wants to help with your current Torquemaster.
Do you know the model of garage door that you have? Is it similar to one in the video?
Do it yourself. It's easy. Few videos or there show you how
Hi, currently have a Wayne Dalton iDrive for both the double 16’ x 7’ door and the single door. I want to change the iDrive opener to a Genie or Liftmaster and keep the doors? Anyone have any idea on how much it costs to convert to a std torsion bar system ?
Hello Steve! Yes you should be able to convert your Torquemaster to Torsion. As for the cost, well that will depend on the dealer installer. For a conversion you will need to replace additional parts, such as end brackets, torsion tube, etc. I have seen pricing go north of $600 for a job such as this.
There is also the option to utilize a Torquemaster adapter. This adapter will connect to your current Torquemaster Springs and with a Wall Mount motor.
How at dooor whet windows what's side springs i nite
Curious, why would you convert from torquemaster to torsion springs, and what is a reasonable range on the cost?
Hello! That's a great question. Here are a few benefits converting Torquemaster to Torsion.
1. Torsion springs can offer higher cycle life.
2. A torsion spring conversion allows easier installation of a wall mount motor.
3. Torsion springs can be easier to maintain.
4. Torsion springs offers more spring size options.
As for the cost in a spring conversion will vary in your area. Some dealers start from $700 - $1000. Hope that helps.
@@sosgdsreplacement springs are fairly cheap and easier to swap
You don't mention the rod size, I know it's supposed to be 1"OD, can 1" emt be used or black pipe. I have the 9600 series 9' low headroom is the 7' cable good to use and what spring size would you recommend. Thanks
Hello Wes. Technically you can use 1" Electric Metal Tube Conduit if you are in a bind. But you want to ensure that the tube is at least 16 gauge.
As for the spring I would stick with a 207 by 1 3/4" by 33" or 34" long. Hope this helps.
Nice Great vid
Why convert away from the wayne dalton?
That's an excellent question.
How often do you use your garage door?
How many times have you replaced the current torque Master spring system?
In most cases I recommend the torque Master Plus spring for the 9100 model door. Yet if you want to get longer cycle life out of a garage door then converting to a torsion spring system might be the better decision.
I release the tension on torque 2 with 5/8 socket , a vise grip and a screw driver ......not for the faint of heart...torque master is junk and they ALL need to go...btw , I use torque force hardware...best hack is to node the existing cables if they are in good shape....207 2 24 works great on 7 ' 70 # door....one more btw, yellow tag WDs are not always accurate.....cool video
Thanks for the feedback and the support!
What a mess this industry has become. I can't find any kits/parts locally to convert torquemaster to torsion. I'd have to buy/order online and wait, then piece together a system with a new torsion bar? I guess I might just replace the darn torquemaster springs (again), got 6 years out of the last set before busting. Local installers want $800 to convert, it's about $190 to buy new springs for torquemaster. 6 years ago I paid $90 shipped for both torquemaster springs which was....much more reasonable.
Thank you for sharing your experience. Like every industry, it's becoming increasingly harder to give the customer options to repair the garage door system. The Torquemaster was designed for a more user friendly experience. If you can find the springs for under $100 it might make sense to DIY this project.
@@sosgds Thanks. I did find them on ebay for about $100 shipped. I think I'll see if they fit/work, if they do I might just buy another backup set. I got a few local quotes, the lowest quote I got was for $700 actually to remove the torquemaster and put in a SINGLE spring system for a 16' door. I think there are a lot of people just trying too hard to increase profit. No way should a 16' door have a single spring...if only for the safety reason alone. Thanks for the video etc., it helped me a lot.
@@ColoradoFishing just bought this house and am now learning about the torquemaster. I see the parts are readily available right now. Why the change to the original style? I kind of like the torques
Unless both springs are kaput. 😅😂
Indeed.
Please do and show detail video so we can learn. you talk too. action
Hello David. I have a whole series of videos on the Wayne Dalton Torquemaster spring. Hope it helps.
Can you talk a bit lower...some of us over 50 can't hear as well