Small details are important to us trying to learn!! Pretend we are all 5!!! Hahaha Love this and been coming for months to watch this over and over finally bought one
That wasn't winterization it was only primary filtration. If you would like to see the kind of fats and waxes that can be removed there is a good post on www.extractcrafter.com
They are not considered desirables. We can't give any medical advice so you'd have to look elsewhere if you're looking for that side of things. But the idea with making concentrates is to concentrate the desirables, the things that do good things for us or have positive traits people are seeking, and the lipids and wax are generally considered not to be that. So to have the best concentrate, you'd want to limit those. There will always be some though when making full spectrum concentrates which is not an issue.
you would probably want to winterize the wash. You can do as little as 1 and as many as 3. Most people using frozen methods like QWET and colder cryo temps find that one winterization pass is sufficient.
You'll want everything as cold as possible before making the ethanol extraction, and also after the plant material and ethanol are combined and back in the freezer. Once you take the ethanol extraction out for filtration, you'll want to work fast to avoid letting it continue soaking at room temperature. Once you do your first filtration, the rush is over and it's fine for the now filtered ethanol extraction to get to room temperature.
Thanks for the video. I've sub'd to your channel sometime back. Why is it you do not need a Cold Trap with the Turbo Source vacuum pump? What the difference between the Rotary Vacuum and the Source Turbo vacuum??
@@Jacksonjames4 Its not arrogant, its accurate. The pumps are tuned to operate at various elevations to modulate the balance between ambient pressure, vacuum pressure, ambient temp and heat delivery. "How strong are the pumps" is not something that factors into the equation at all. They are tuned to facilitate the operations of the unit detailed in the user manual. I'm not trying to be arrogant, its just the best answer there is to the question. Furthermore, when it comes to a vacuum pump performance measure it is either the speed it evacuees the air volume defined as cubic feet per minute or ultimate vacuum level, there is really no answer for "how strong is it." We tune the pumps for specific operations that are detailed in the user manual and thats the only measure.
What is the size tubing needed for the vacuum? I saw the 1/4 inch. Is the 1/4 inch the Inner Diameter or Outer Diameter for the tubing on the Source Turbo?
It just won't work that way. These filters are very fine, about 20-25um for the fast flow and 3um for the slow flow. If you poured into these without vacuum, the tincture would just sit there. You need vacuum to pull through these fine filter papers.
Depends on what you are making. Topicals and edibles, no real problem. Smoking/vaping it’s debatable. Rosin has tons of fats and lipids which kind of ruins it for a lot of people and isn’t good for the lungs, so, I think it’s better and cleaner to have them removed. Removing the undesirables also increases potency and smoothness. Lastly, if making carts it’s important to remove as they will cloud, precipitate our, and clog the cart
@@pattayakamagra8325 For that, you'd want to filter once or twice first, then put the filtered wash back in the freezer for a while. This will expand the fats. Then you'll take that out and filter it again. This would be called winterizing.
@@ExtractCraftVideos Thanks for such a quick reply. Have to say if your products are half as good as your customer support I would have no problem buying from you.
Just for clarity I'm going to change the wording here a little from "vacuum process" to "ethanol winterizing process" to make sure we are talking about the same thing. So if you are asking if you can use our machine for the ethanol winterizing process with rosin that is absolutely correct and possible. There is a good article "winterizing & polishing extracts using ethanol" on extract crafter.com (extractcrafter.com/2017/12/04/winterizing-polishing-extracts-using-ethanol/) if you would like to take a look. There's actually another great compliment between ethanol and rosin. You can use the ethanol extraction method to recover all the good stuff left behind in your pressed chips, pucks, and bags so you don't waste anything.
Probably not a great way to do it with infusions like that. What I might suggest is moving to doing extractions with the Source Turbo and clean concentrates to infuse into a carrier oil if you'd like to increase the quality, control and potency of your end product.
Just ordered the extractor Watching some videos on operation How stoned do you have to be not to think about using a clip or nozzle to attach the hose so you don’t have to hold it with one hand. You are after all trying to careful poor flammable liquid(probably while high)
This operation (evacuating the flask) takes a few seconds. The hose is intentionally not very long and the fittings are barbed at both ends. As long as the base is pumping, the hose is not likely to just fall off. You don't really need to hold it.
@@jamescobrien brown coffee filters will allow far too much contamination to pass through, especially under vacuum. The filters we are using are qualitative 3-12 micron filters which would have an enormous improvement in quality over coffee filters.
Hi Joe, you will need the larger 5L version for the volume of the EtOH PRO. You will also need an auxiliary pump for the vacuum assist as there is no aux pump port on the EtOH PRO itself.
I really gotta know, what is the actual difference if you were to use a hand pump instead of the machine’s pump? And if I were to use the Source’s pump on a much bigger flask, let’s say 3L flask, would that in anyway harm the machine. I read somewhere that it’s possible to because not enough pull force is happening. If you take the time to answer these questions for me, it would really be appreciated. Thanks.
Hand pumps move less air, the Source Turbo moves more air. A 3L might be ok but a 5L is far too much air volume. Unfortunately, it is Easter Morning so I may not be able to field customer service questions from TH-cam for the rest of the day. If you have questions about the machines then directing them to customer service at info@extractcraft will be handled during normal business hours.
ExtractCraft you’ve answered everything and thank you so much for that. I was just a little cautious but now I’ll try out my 3L flask with no problem. If I ever do, I sure will contact customer service first and keep up the good work guys.
Your waxes and lipids are not being filtered out. They are in solution with the alcohol. In order to remove the waxes and lipids, you must bring the solution down to -10 to -80 degrees to cause the fats and waxes to precipitate out of solution and form globules. Then, you must filter immediately, preferably with a frozen funnel. You must refreeze for at least 3 hours with dry ice, or 24 hours in the deep freezer, between each filtration in order to re-coagulate the fats each time.
Much of what you say here is correct and much is a little off base for what we do. First, yes fats and waxes can be filtered out at this point depending on the process that was used. Room temp primary extraction, then no. Frozen QWET up front, then yes. And if you use cryo temps for the extraction, absolutely not making it into the tincture. As for the "preferably frozen funnel," this is a typical amateur error thinking they have to keep everything as frozen as possible the whole time which isn't true. It's wrong for two reasons. First, moisture condenses and freezes on all surfaces of the funnel which will add moisture to your wash, not a good idea. Second, with winterization, the process you are describing, keeping the solution to about 20F below room temp should be enough to keep the lipids and fats in suspension to be filtered out, you can keep colder if you choose but there is a large margin and no reason to over think it. Lastly, for a regular freezer you need to leave in for at least 48 hours for proper precipitation. You will find that if you use cryo temps from the beginning the winterization is most likely not necessary
Would be nice to see filter after each pass but nice video thanks
Small details are important to us trying to learn!! Pretend we are all 5!!! Hahaha
Love this and been coming for months to watch this over and over finally bought one
Using the vacuum filtration set will really do a great job at getting all of the wash out of your material. Have fun!
well my order will be placed saturday this will be so much better for filtration and way less time than the traditional way great info
Should have showm the filters afterwards, I wanna see how much wax was removed
That wasn't winterization it was only primary filtration. If you would like to see the kind of fats and waxes that can be removed there is a good post on www.extractcrafter.com
what type of paper is it?
Love the videos…
Need to make one on purging
I’d like to know why the lipids and wax are not good other than the machine splattering?
They are not considered desirables. We can't give any medical advice so you'd have to look elsewhere if you're looking for that side of things. But the idea with making concentrates is to concentrate the desirables, the things that do good things for us or have positive traits people are seeking, and the lipids and wax are generally considered not to be that. So to have the best concentrate, you'd want to limit those. There will always be some though when making full spectrum concentrates which is not an issue.
If I wanted to winterize my extraction, how many filtration passes should I be doing between extraction and starting winterization?
you would probably want to winterize the wash. You can do as little as 1 and as many as 3. Most people using frozen methods like QWET and colder cryo temps find that one winterization pass is sufficient.
What do you think about carbon, diatamous earth, and a bleaching agent? all food grade
Lots of folks use activated carbon and diatomaceous earth to remove as many undesirables as possible from the wash. This is a great method
Where can I get a hose from? I’m Australia
eBay AU - ExtractCraft is on eBay for international users
www.ebay.com.au/str/extractcraft
Great video! I was hoping for this! Will you make one on purging and why you would purge?
Stay tuned my friend!
@@ExtractCraftVideos got the source in the mail yesterday!
Should the ethanol extraction remain cold or room temperature during the filtration?
You'll want everything as cold as possible before making the ethanol extraction, and also after the plant material and ethanol are combined and back in the freezer. Once you take the ethanol extraction out for filtration, you'll want to work fast to avoid letting it continue soaking at room temperature. Once you do your first filtration, the rush is over and it's fine for the now filtered ethanol extraction to get to room temperature.
Thanks for the video. I've sub'd to your channel sometime back. Why is it you do not need a Cold Trap with the Turbo Source vacuum pump? What the difference between the Rotary Vacuum and the Source Turbo vacuum??
The Source uses diaphragm pumps
@@ExtractCraftVideos Thanks for the fast response. its a shame you guys don't ship over seas.
@@MrNTR1 hopefully soon
How strong is the vacuum pump on the machine?
They are strong enough to operate the machine as directed in the user manual
@@Jacksonjames4 yeah not loving it
@@Jacksonjames4 Its not arrogant, its accurate. The pumps are tuned to operate at various elevations to modulate the balance between ambient pressure, vacuum pressure, ambient temp and heat delivery. "How strong are the pumps" is not something that factors into the equation at all. They are tuned to facilitate the operations of the unit detailed in the user manual. I'm not trying to be arrogant, its just the best answer there is to the question. Furthermore, when it comes to a vacuum pump performance measure it is either the speed it evacuees the air volume defined as cubic feet per minute or ultimate vacuum level, there is really no answer for "how strong is it." We tune the pumps for specific operations that are detailed in the user manual and thats the only measure.
What is the size tubing needed for the vacuum? I saw the 1/4 inch. Is the 1/4 inch the Inner Diameter or Outer Diameter for the tubing on the Source Turbo?
What is the size of the vacuum port on the Source Turbo?
@@davidsyckleii3178 you need an 1/8" id for the Source vacuum port.
I am not understanding the vacuum part? Why cant you just pour the tinture in the funnel and let gravity pull it into the flask?
It just won't work that way. These filters are very fine, about 20-25um for the fast flow and 3um for the slow flow. If you poured into these without vacuum, the tincture would just sit there. You need vacuum to pull through these fine filter papers.
Why dont you winterize it before you filter so the waxes will be more separated?
Not all extractions need to be winterized. Often when you use proper low temps in the wash phase winterization is taken care of at the same time.
The video is just a simple how to filter and use a Büchner funnel.
@@ExtractCraftVideos getting sassy lol
Can you explain what winterization is, and why I need to do it?
Is there a problem with some wax and lipid in the final product or is it more for looks?
Depends on what you are making. Topicals and edibles, no real problem. Smoking/vaping it’s debatable. Rosin has tons of fats and lipids which kind of ruins it for a lot of people and isn’t good for the lungs, so, I think it’s better and cleaner to have them removed. Removing the undesirables also increases potency and smoothness. Lastly, if making carts it’s important to remove as they will cloud, precipitate our, and clog the cart
@@ExtractCraftVideos So doing this method filter many time will remove fats and lipids if im extracting for vape carts. ?
@@pattayakamagra8325 For that, you'd want to filter once or twice first, then put the filtered wash back in the freezer for a while. This will expand the fats. Then you'll take that out and filter it again. This would be called winterizing.
What type of filter paper do I need ? Quantitative or qualitative? Looking for something in the 10 micron range for winterization purposes, thanks.
Qualitative papers in the mid to fast flow range.
Great video. Thanks
This series is already answering a lot of questions I had. I look forward to the rest, and I’ll be purchasing the source within the next month.
Is there not a danger that alcohol could be inadvertently sucked into the vacuum pump?
It can happen. That is what the spit jar is for.
@@ExtractCraftVideos Thanks for such a quick reply. Have to say if your products are half as good as your customer support I would have no problem buying from you.
Can I use this vacuum process to winterize rosin?
Just for clarity I'm going to change the wording here a little from "vacuum process" to "ethanol winterizing process" to make sure we are talking about the same thing. So if you are asking if you can use our machine for the ethanol winterizing process with rosin that is absolutely correct and possible. There is a good article "winterizing & polishing extracts using ethanol" on extract crafter.com (extractcrafter.com/2017/12/04/winterizing-polishing-extracts-using-ethanol/) if you would like to take a look. There's actually another great compliment between ethanol and rosin. You can use the ethanol extraction method to recover all the good stuff left behind in your pressed chips, pucks, and bags so you don't waste anything.
@@ExtractCraftVideos thanx alot, I appreciate your timeliness with the reply
Could I use this method to filter my coconut oil instead of a cheesecloth ?
Probably not a great way to do it with infusions like that. What I might suggest is moving to doing extractions with the Source Turbo and clean concentrates to infuse into a carrier oil if you'd like to increase the quality, control and potency of your end product.
Could you but color remediation powder in that
Yes. We use DE and AC quite often but for that you may want a slightly stronger vacuum source to speed it up.
@@ExtractCraftVideos awesome sauce
Just ordered the extractor
Watching some videos on operation
How stoned do you have to be not to think about using a clip or nozzle to attach the hose so you don’t have to hold it with one hand. You are after all trying to careful poor flammable liquid(probably while high)
This operation (evacuating the flask) takes a few seconds. The hose is intentionally not very long and the fittings are barbed at both ends. As long as the base is pumping, the hose is not likely to just fall off. You don't really need to hold it.
what kind of paper filter is used? and plz dont direct to me to the site because theyre always sold out
Qualitative filters, Whatman is a popular brand and their website has a lot of information
Will you stock the filters to sell us?
I'd rather use brown coffee filters with that funnel.
@@jamescobrien brown coffee filters will allow far too much contamination to pass through, especially under vacuum. The filters we are using are qualitative 3-12 micron filters which would have an enormous improvement in quality over coffee filters.
Just purchased the pro, can I still do this?
Hi Joe, you will need the larger 5L version for the volume of the EtOH PRO. You will also need an auxiliary pump for the vacuum assist as there is no aux pump port on the EtOH PRO itself.
@@ExtractCraftVideos wait isnt that the source turbo
@@yerbabuenagarden404 yes he's using the source turbo in the video but Joe was asking about the EtOH Pro.
I really gotta know, what is the actual difference if you were to use a hand pump instead of the machine’s pump? And if I were to use the Source’s pump on a much bigger flask, let’s say 3L flask, would that in anyway harm the machine. I read somewhere that it’s possible to because not enough pull force is happening. If you take the time to answer these questions for me, it would really be appreciated. Thanks.
Hand pumps move less air, the Source Turbo moves more air. A 3L might be ok but a 5L is far too much air volume. Unfortunately, it is Easter Morning so I may not be able to field customer service questions from TH-cam for the rest of the day. If you have questions about the machines then directing them to customer service at info@extractcraft will be handled during normal business hours.
ExtractCraft you’ve answered everything and thank you so much for that. I was just a little cautious but now I’ll try out my 3L flask with no problem. If I ever do, I sure will contact customer service first and keep up the good work guys.
Hı . İ want to make propolis extract in propylene glycol. How to ?
Your waxes and lipids are not being filtered out. They are in solution with the alcohol. In order to remove the waxes and lipids, you must bring the solution down to -10 to -80 degrees to cause the fats and waxes to precipitate out of solution and form globules. Then, you must filter immediately, preferably with a frozen funnel. You must refreeze for at least 3 hours with dry ice, or 24 hours in the deep freezer, between each filtration in order to re-coagulate the fats each time.
Much of what you say here is correct and much is a little off base for what we do. First, yes fats and waxes can be filtered out at this point depending on the process that was used. Room temp primary extraction, then no. Frozen QWET up front, then yes. And if you use cryo temps for the extraction, absolutely not making it into the tincture. As for the "preferably frozen funnel," this is a typical amateur error thinking they have to keep everything as frozen as possible the whole time which isn't true. It's wrong for two reasons. First, moisture condenses and freezes on all surfaces of the funnel which will add moisture to your wash, not a good idea. Second, with winterization, the process you are describing, keeping the solution to about 20F below room temp should be enough to keep the lipids and fats in suspension to be filtered out, you can keep colder if you choose but there is a large margin and no reason to over think it. Lastly, for a regular freezer you need to leave in for at least 48 hours for proper precipitation. You will find that if you use cryo temps from the beginning the winterization is most likely not necessary
So dumb. Why do you have to hold that tube in place? Wtf
You don't, watch our new video on Buchner filtration.
@@ExtractCraftVideos I have 👍
Please how are you even in the cannabis business and the clock on the wall behind you is NOT STOPPED AT 4:20?? - REALLY DUDE?
Hmmmmm, are you not familiar with 710 ???
Dead battery lol
Alex Neil oil flipped upside down is 710. He purposefully set it like that
I have a vacuum sealer for vacuum bagging food. It has a port on the side. Would this provide enough vacuum?
I'm sorry but I don't know. Interesting question though!
Can I use vacuume port to create vacuumed in a 1 quart vacuumechamber?
Yes