Honestly, I understand the "no cheese" request. I don't think it's necessarily that he thinks he's gonna win. But falling apart to a cheese strat feels so bad that it almost feels like redemption if you then have a normal game. I mean, he's still gonna lose and he knows that, but at least he can play normally
The non-cheese request makes sense though. Cheese strat can appear as something that doesn't work at a high level but works only bc he is bad. Normal is just another fun game -- albeit one where he is destined to lose.
Beasty i propose a challenge: to beat an opponent (hardest AI or low elo player) while doing the LOWEST APM possible! This way it would be interesting to see how far and accurate your predictions are, and for us new players would be cool to learn how you read the game.
to think every time I play against an english player they're longbow rushing me a minute after aging up and these guys just sorta fart around. I can kinda understand the cheese though. he knows he's going to lose, he just wants to feel like he got to play. a lot of these strats (barbican rush, villager rush) require way more skill to counter than to execute, and most of us just auto lose to them. I beat a barbican rush once and a villager rush like twice ever, but most of the time even if I deal with the problem, I'm so far behind, that that's the game anyway.
@@ozisponas1593 BBQ rush it depends on how many villager he build it with, if it more than 10 vills it Will always go up if it happen in 4 minutes mark
It doesn't work against Rus because they don't need gold for aging up. It doesn't work against English because they can shoot back. But why does it not work against mongols? Because they can move the town center to the gold?
Nice game. But I need a China guide Season 3 just to fail implementing it and star writing salty posts on reddit complaining on how specific civs I lose against are OP and need to be nerfed.
At 23:52 why does Beasty select the walls he is building? He did that with all three sections, and clicks down in the bottom left, is he counting resources or vills needed or something?
Someone replied in chat that he's doing it so he can delete the edges of the wall. They aren't needed for the wall to be complete, villager pathing is better and resources are saved.
@@emissarygw2264 Yes, whenever you place any wall there is a small 'pole' at the edge. Even without it the wall will still completely block entrance so it's completely unnecessary.
Easy, don't send the the scout to gather sheep at the edges of the map, if you see a couple of vills gunning towards you, you'll have plenty of time to build a barracks with the vills on gold and counter-attack. He's sacrificing a lot of economy on that cheese strat, if you counter it you'll have a massive advantage in feudal, it's all about how greedy you want to be with your scout against civs that have early game cheese strategies.
I wanted to see you do one other thing playin' with lower ranked players, maybe just using the mouse? Would be a cool little challenge (for the lower ranks lol)
The reason this is a better game to play than SCII is the same reason it's harder to watch: no banelings, no disruptors, no widowmines, no Oh shit! I wasn't watching for literally 2 seconds, guess I lose the game. It's a slower, methodical game where decisions and execution cumulatively win the contest, rather than a split second requiring eight hands to control. But, for me at least, that means I have to be in the right mindset to watch the game, even though Beasty is fun as hell to watch.
Wouldn't Abbey of Kings have been viable there in that first game? You had enough wood to build a barracks during the age up, and a few MAA could protect the forward vils right after the age up (if neccesary). And then raid afterwards with MAA (and longbows after building an archery range). Either way, the game was pretty much over at that point.
In AoE4 the edges of the wall can be canceled to save some wood and the wall will still be totally closed off. If you notice when he selected the wall segments, there are two different icons, and he selects the two edges and cancels them. High level players will do it to save some wood.
I agree with some of the comments, I think he had no expectation to beat you in a no-cheese game. Just wanted to have a game against someone far better that went longer then 5 minutes.
Serious question i've always wondered. Why do top tier rts players spam buttons so much? Like clicking the same place six seven times? What does that do?
Yes it does improve gold per minute. But he can't because he's optimizing resources (ie wood). Same reason he needs to use straggler trees, he can't afford lumber camp and make one on his tree line. Not building a lumber camp means he saves some wood. But do note, not all strats need to use straggler trees, but here beasty just needs enough lumber to get enough building to get enough gold for when he needs the gold it will be there for him.
@@sirbobdesign Off the top of my head I think i recall only the mining building and houses surrounding the gold increases gold per minute. Don't quote me on that hahaha. Maybe other buildings work to but houses and mining have the smallest footprint so you can fit more around a gold mine. Its Its something like 90 max gold per minute on small gold and 120 max gold per minute on large gold...because you can fit more houses and mining hut around the bigger gold.
Caveat that I don't play this game much but it looks and sounds like it was because it delayed the opponent so long that they fell way behind the point of redemption. Losing the scout meant no sheep so food was behind. Losing prelate means losing the extra resources from it. Denying the gold meant he had to long distance mine for feudal which is a big waste of vil time (+ the extra wood chopped for that barracks and mining camp). The rush also made the opponent lose the Riegnetz bonus for gold and food because he had to take the farther gold and deer. The follow up longbow harass slapped extra hard because those farther resources weren't even close to TC and towers/units to defend costs more resources they didn't have. All this time Beasty is pumping his eco like it's a sandbox and I guess that's plenty enough to make up for the initial wasted vill time. Like I said I don't play this much so IDK how much of that was opponent error. Losing the scout and prelate seems like something that shouldn't happen for free.
Honestly pretty sure he does it to keep the apm high. Say if you relax for just a tiny bit, you might not remain high apm when you need to. Or he likes the sound hehe.
It improves villager gathering rate by 5-15% depending on how many things you click. You can check it out in the tech tree for each civilization. It has helped my game quite a bit personally
The opponent lost because it's Beasty, like he said 9:50. A player on the same level as beasty will micro out each low health villager, survive that rush and get to feudal first
kekw one of the best players doing anything vs diamond so it hard to gage from this if a strat (skill for skill) is viable; however, buddy is dumb if he things shortbow rush doesnt work at any high level given its cheese that has showed up in tournament??
he said he don't work in diamond, you play a game against a diamond, but you are not diamond don't make so much sense to me. If the question was do the top 2 player of the world can cheese a diamond ? I would say yes cause he would totally cheese me like this.
Compared to Beasty everyone will always suck because he has been playing RTS games as his full time job since forever now. You can't beat that with a small time commitment.
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The Malians archer retreat against the men at arms is insane. All the archer going a different direction
whats the best way to stop malians archer
@@ra3w depends on the civ, but a mangonel always shuts it down if you can get one
The Javelin Throwers?
Knights but man at arms are still OK, the Mali archers do better against them, but man at aß still domt Take insane damage
Yeah thats rly impressive, Im practising that move also
gives u style points and enemy sometimes think ur smurfing and surrender !
Honestly, I understand the "no cheese" request. I don't think it's necessarily that he thinks he's gonna win. But falling apart to a cheese strat feels so bad that it almost feels like redemption if you then have a normal game. I mean, he's still gonna lose and he knows that, but at least he can play normally
OK boss
@@bernhardbrodowsky3261 lol gj
The non-cheese request makes sense though. Cheese strat can appear as something that doesn't work at a high level but works only bc he is bad. Normal is just another fun game -- albeit one where he is destined to lose.
Beasty i propose a challenge: to beat an opponent (hardest AI or low elo player) while doing the LOWEST APM possible! This way it would be interesting to see how far and accurate your predictions are, and for us new players would be cool to learn how you read the game.
That'd actually be very cool. Interesting to see how low he can go before it becomes an issue
@@Makofueled Maybe it could even be used a mod that if it detects to much APM it locks any input until APM goes back under the threshold!
He did 100 apm to master in SC2. He since said he won't do similiar series because he's too uncomftorable playing on such low apm.
@@Yato5926 Ah didn't know that. What a shame
whats APM?
beasty 5/10 speed looks so good at 1.5x video speed
"you know the meme this is fine?" cracked me up :D
Haha the beasty bully flashing lights at the end had me cracking up.
to think every time I play against an english player they're longbow rushing me a minute after aging up and these guys just sorta fart around. I can kinda understand the cheese though. he knows he's going to lose, he just wants to feel like he got to play. a lot of these strats (barbican rush, villager rush) require way more skill to counter than to execute, and most of us just auto lose to them. I beat a barbican rush once and a villager rush like twice ever, but most of the time even if I deal with the problem, I'm so far behind, that that's the game anyway.
I got barb rushsd and vill rushed in last two games i played.
Somehow just pulling all vills to kill enemy vills made me win the game
@@ozisponas1593 BBQ rush it depends on how many villager he build it with, if it more than 10 vills it Will always go up if it happen in 4 minutes mark
bros farming the shit outta that apm LMAOOO
It doesn't work against Rus because they don't need gold for aging up.
It doesn't work against English because they can shoot back.
But why does it not work against mongols? Because they can move the town center to the gold?
yeah mostly that
Nice game. But I need a China guide Season 3 just to fail implementing it and star writing salty posts on reddit complaining on how specific civs I lose against are OP and need to be nerfed.
You must've missed Beasty stream yesterday. He was tired of everyone asking for guides. He will get to them when he gets to them.
@@TheMrMunch Yes, I didn't watch it. Thanks for the update.
I gotta admit these Malian assets look great, I might play them more
At 23:52 why does Beasty select the walls he is building? He did that with all three sections, and clicks down in the bottom left, is he counting resources or vills needed or something?
I also wanted to know this! I was wondering if it was some trick to make the villagers distribute so each one builds their own section or something.
Someone replied in chat that he's doing it so he can delete the edges of the wall. They aren't needed for the wall to be complete, villager pathing is better and resources are saved.
@@1waleedman can you clarify what you mean by the edges? like just the very ends of the wall?
@@emissarygw2264 Yes, whenever you place any wall there is a small 'pole' at the edge. Even without it the wall will still completely block entrance so it's completely unnecessary.
A video of how to counter the english vils-archers rush would be more valuable.
Just ignore them, if you dont see them you wont have problems
Easy, don't send the the scout to gather sheep at the edges of the map, if you see a couple of vills gunning towards you, you'll have plenty of time to build a barracks with the vills on gold and counter-attack.
He's sacrificing a lot of economy on that cheese strat, if you counter it you'll have a massive advantage in feudal, it's all about how greedy you want to be with your scout against civs that have early game cheese strategies.
Wow, those splits are amazing for a 5/10
I wanted to see you do one other thing playin' with lower ranked players, maybe just using the mouse? Would be a cool little challenge (for the lower ranks lol)
1 min head start that's crazy lmao u earned ur name Beasty
the malians sound like they shout Beasty!
The reason this is a better game to play than SCII is the same reason it's harder to watch: no banelings, no disruptors, no widowmines, no Oh shit! I wasn't watching for literally 2 seconds, guess I lose the game.
It's a slower, methodical game where decisions and execution cumulatively win the contest, rather than a split second requiring eight hands to control. But, for me at least, that means I have to be in the right mindset to watch the game, even though Beasty is fun as hell to watch.
Proxy landmark inside his base...holy shit what massive cajones
Wouldn't Abbey of Kings have been viable there in that first game? You had enough wood to build a barracks during the age up, and a few MAA could protect the forward vils right after the age up (if neccesary). And then raid afterwards with MAA (and longbows after building an archery range).
Either way, the game was pretty much over at that point.
longbows are much better at killing vils tho.
MJ is like the CR7 of AOE
What was the trick he did with walls @23:45 ? He selected them, wky?
In AoE4 the edges of the wall can be canceled to save some wood and the wall will still be totally closed off. If you notice when he selected the wall segments, there are two different icons, and he selects the two edges and cancels them. High level players will do it to save some wood.
@@TheMrMunch damn and here I am thinking AOE4 is better because it doesnt have a pillarless walls exploit like AOE3 has
it 100% works in diamond, i am diamond, and ive done it successfully more times than unsuccessfully
I agree with some of the comments, I think he had no expectation to beat you in a no-cheese game. Just wanted to have a game against someone far better that went longer then 5 minutes.
Serious question i've always wondered. Why do top tier rts players spam buttons so much? Like clicking the same place six seven times? What does that do?
boosting the apm :D
@@berkerdemirer7982 lol, but really though?
Keeps your hands warm enough to micro split units when needed like in this videos first game when he split bows to micro against men at arms
Awesome vidéo, you are still a true légend !
Question: why did you not put houses around that first age? Does it not improve amount of gold per minute?
Yes it does improve gold per minute. But he can't because he's optimizing resources (ie wood).
Same reason he needs to use straggler trees, he can't afford lumber camp and make one on his tree line. Not building a lumber camp means he saves some wood.
But do note, not all strats need to use straggler trees, but here beasty just needs enough lumber to get enough building to get enough gold for when he needs the gold it will be there for him.
@@john41690 Did the TC offer a gold increase or only houses? I guess he could care less about that bit of gold speed.
@@sirbobdesign Off the top of my head I think i recall only the mining building and houses surrounding the gold increases gold per minute. Don't quote me on that hahaha. Maybe other buildings work to but houses and mining have the smallest footprint so you can fit more around a gold mine.
Its Its something like 90 max gold per minute on small gold and 120 max gold per minute on large gold...because you can fit more houses and mining hut around the bigger gold.
Why not Meinwerk for HRE after a vill rush?
How did the very first fight vil rush work tho. He didn't deny secondary gold at all or wood so was it just the enemy blundering?
Caveat that I don't play this game much but it looks and sounds like it was because it delayed the opponent so long that they fell way behind the point of redemption.
Losing the scout meant no sheep so food was behind. Losing prelate means losing the extra resources from it. Denying the gold meant he had to long distance mine for feudal which is a big waste of vil time (+ the extra wood chopped for that barracks and mining camp). The rush also made the opponent lose the Riegnetz bonus for gold and food because he had to take the farther gold and deer. The follow up longbow harass slapped extra hard because those farther resources weren't even close to TC and towers/units to defend costs more resources they didn't have.
All this time Beasty is pumping his eco like it's a sandbox and I guess that's plenty enough to make up for the initial wasted vill time.
Like I said I don't play this much so IDK how much of that was opponent error. Losing the scout and prelate seems like something that shouldn't happen for free.
What are al the clicks for. Seems random. I'm a noob so don't know
It is normal! If it's allowed, it's normal. If you break what is not allowed. then it is abnormal. I beat the "Normal game" Logic.
I thought it was ONLY villagers challenge.
Sick games, very interesting. Now I dream of Beasty beating my ass up
Whats the point on clicking things so many times? Does it give you a buff or something?
Honestly pretty sure he does it to keep the apm high. Say if you relax for just a tiny bit, you might not remain high apm when you need to. Or he likes the sound hehe.
Lol i guess the apm thing makes sense
@@aregulardoode7107 Your units gain +5% speed the faster you click 😑
It improves villager gathering rate by 5-15% depending on how many things you click. You can check it out in the tech tree for each civilization. It has helped my game quite a bit personally
best age 4 content
please beasty, even if you switch to Stormgate make some troll build to conquer series before moving on.
i used this strategy yesterday. I was silver now Gold 2 lmao 8 wins winstreak
no boom at the end :(
why is he selecting all the walls after he places them?
Do you think this needs a balance change or is it fine in the game
The opponent lost because it's Beasty, like he said 9:50. A player on the same level as beasty will micro out each low health villager, survive that rush and get to feudal first
What's the backstory to the person he was versing? Why'd he think he stood a chance?
Did you read the title?
So how to defend cheese strat?
0 units omg just print at least something...
those are archers not civilians , you cant fool us
where are the guides beasty?
we need the guides to make people on the ladder more salty
Don't ask for guides, he'll get to them when he feels like doing them. Asking for guides will make him less inclined to make them.
@@cascade_fury so im gonna ask some more, right?
comediant right here
Wait, what am I missing making this impossible against rus?
They don't mine gold to age up
kekw one of the best players doing anything vs diamond so it hard to gage from this if a strat (skill for skill) is viable; however, buddy is dumb if he things shortbow rush doesnt work at any high level given its cheese that has showed up in tournament??
Beasty clapped his cheeks
are diamond players that bad?
Haha weird. I've never lost to English vills as plat.
Hi AmirGarfield!
Awesome!
19:15 "diamond is not very high rated" cmon bro don't be like this lol
Beasty is beasty
Holy shit, the elo system of this game must be all over the place if thats a dimond player. I've played aganst gold player with much better micro.
who is the funnyest aoe4 player?
hopw ppl can click soo fast on pc game xD, on girl mayby.. but in Game :O
Better thank netflx.
amazyng!
he said he don't work in diamond, you play a game against a diamond, but you are not diamond don't make so much sense to me.
If the question was do the top 2 player of the world can cheese a diamond ?
I would say yes cause he would totally cheese me like this.
What a clap
Beastyqt massed Musofadi Warriors because he is a massive SIMP!
I found this tactic :P :P
It does not work in diamond because diamond players are not as good as you.
He didn't do anything special that game
English vill rush does work in diamond. Then again, I have conq mmr but it's really good in diamond
Cause most ppl lack flexibility
plz no cheese
EELALUL
Beasty has no jawline xd
click baited
its literally what the video is about
XD
im conquer 1 now i suck still compared to beasty.
Compared to Beasty everyone will always suck because he has been playing RTS games as his full time job since forever now. You can't beat that with a small time commitment.
cringe
putting the beast in beastyqt