DarkMatter, I went from hating your videos to loving them. As a Christian I was ignorant but I always knew that the things God did in the bible were, kind of wrong but I was too afraid of the thought of going to hell so I just kept my mouth shut and continued to blindly follow the religion. I finally broke free from the cult about a month ago and I am way happier now knowing that I am free!
This one was _tons_ of work, so if you liked it, sharing is appreciated. Also, reply to this comment if you feel like telling me if you prefer more of my comedy or more of my serious stuff, like this video. I'm still going to do both, but your responses may have some bearing on that ratio.
as a young athiest, these videos give me so much comfort. parental and authority figures that threaten me and tell me my life is going to be meaningless and miserable if I don't believe in something. when I watch your videos I feel more confident going my own way. thanks for making these videos. it gave me more hope than religion ever did.
+JA DE debating is slowly proving itself to be ineffective. we need something more dialectical. i would suggest intervention through the socratic method. evidence is proving itself to not be effective on certain types of people, the method will allow you to give your family and friends the means to come to logical conclusions on, which is the way all humans actually work. Congrats on your apostasy.
+JA DE I've never been in your position, and it's hard to imagine the frustration it'd bring. Despite what demagogues from various factions love to say, the comments sections on these sorts of videos (and the videos themselves) are good places to find interesting discussion and witty company. While to me this sort of video is just a chance to see a well-polished argument stated cleverly, it doesn't mean much to be at this point. It's a bit heart-warming to know it helps people out there.
I was brought up a christian and a lot of people use this excuse as a reason for faith. I have watched many of your videos and now I'm an Athiest. Thank you for clearing my mind.
***** I dont call myself a christian I was brought up with the title. Like a lot of christians I attended church and helped out during events for charity. Christianity is just a byproduct of our higher consciousness - just as most religions are. Because we can visualise our own deaths we would like to beleive there is something waiting for us beyond the grave. It has just as much weighting as father christmas. Im glad I have gained lucidity because living under a lie for your life is pathetic. I hope you gain the same clarity as I have, John, then you will see the religion for what it is.
+John B Very eloquently put, I would expect a response like that from a christian. I don't dispute the fact that Jesus walked the earth. I only dispute the associated statements from the bible. Why is the bible "open to interpretation" surely the word of god would be unambiguous? I find that one's belief of god is a support for their fear of death which seems to be a problem with intelligent organisms such as ourselves.
The concept that SOMETHING can be created out of NOTHING defies the first law of thermodynamics, the law of conservation of energy. If I tell you to make me a hamburger out of thin air, can you do it? Same concept applies to the beginning of the universe. It is absolutely impossible for an atom or a material to pop out of nowhere. Second off, the scientific method is consists of systematic OBSERVATION, measurement, experiment, and forming a hypothesis. Darwin never observed a change of KIND of species, neither has anyone else had. To our observation so far, MICRO-evolution exists and I agree with that. MACROevolution involving a different change of kind of species is bogus and has never been proven. How is that even remotely scientific? Thirdly, IF we really are just a random collection of chemicals formed by mathematically impossible chance over billions of years, HOW can we trust our own reasoning processes and the thoughts that we think? How can we trust our five senses? HOW are we all on the same level of conscience? Impossible! Everyone would have a different conscience and different senses if we came from nothing but particles and atoms. That prompts the question, what makes human beings so special compared to other forms of life? Why are we the ones on the highest level of consciousness? If there is no God and it followed the theoretical law of evolution of atoms, this world would be COMPLETE MADNESS. There would be no order! There would be no sense of morality! We would all have no meaning and have no sense or objective of finding meaning. The universe we live in could have taken many different forms and scientists have approached a consensus that there are dozens of fundamental features of our universe that had to be precisely the way they are for life to be possible. Even if the big bang is possible, Roger Penrose, a mathematical physicist, explains that the explosive force of the big bang had to be less than one part in 10^10^123 in what it was in order for the overall precision of life. Stuff like logic and love exists, yet it is not made of matter. If this universe is strictly material as it evolved from nothing but a set of atoms, how can logic and love exist? It is NOT made out of matter. The proof that God exists is that without Him, you couldn’t prove anything! Emotions, feelings, love, hatred, envy, logic, and rationality must be spiritual forces. Now that begs the question, where is the SOUL going to go after death? Orderly, mathematical laws of nature that describe the consistent clockwork operation of the universe are exactly what we would expect given that Christ upholds all things by the Word of His power (Hebrews 1:3). If the universe were really the chance product of a big bang, then why would it obey laws? Where did the mathematical laws come from? If you are just a random assemblage of atoms and chemicals that evolved over time, how does life keep its form? How can you explain the regularity of the universe? This is another thing that we take for granted without realizing how utterly remarkable it is. We just assume that when we wake up tomorrow, all of our organs are going to carry on in the regular stable way that it always has. Think about all of the predictions that you need to come true even in just the next 5 minutes in order to live an orderly and coherent life. We just assume that the objects in our vicinity are going to remain more or less where they are. That gravity is going to continue to do its thing, that atoms and molecules will continue interacting the way they always have, the color of things is going to remain constant, the Earth will remain completely constant. Why do we assume that the universe is going to continue to operate with regularity? Now you might answer, “well it always has in the past.” Well that’s not an answer that’s just the question. Why has it always done so in the past and why do we continue to expect it to do so in the future? If I ask you to reach into a bag full of thousands of M&Ms but say there was only one red M&M in the bag and pull it out with your eyes closed you would not give yourself good odds at doing that. The same is true when we consider the regularity of the universe. There are all sorts of crazy things that physics can do tomorrow (an infinite number) but there is only way that it can the stay the same, second after second, day after day, and year after year. Every second, we are reaching into that bag blindfolded and everytime over and over and over we are pulling out that one red M&M. We are just taking for granted that the universe would continue to operate with regularity. As Einstein put it, “the most incomprehensible thing about the universe, is that it is comprehensible.” Now, if God exists, then we would have an explanation for the regularity of the universe because the universe is regulated by someone who CARES for us deeply and therefore designed the universe so that we could live orderly and coherent lives that we can find meaning in. You have to agree with the fact that worship if a part of human nature. Whether it is God, the state, or ourselves,you are always worshiping SOMETHING to your appeal. Truth is, we were made to worship our creator, but many people go walking their own ways. Atheists will come at us with logical, scientific, and moral objections to the existence of God. But who owns logic? Who owns science? Who owns morality? God does. In Romans 11:36, it states, "From God, through God, and to God are all things." When you are trying to refute the existence of God, you are trying doing so with stolen goods from God. Atheists reject God because they think that they understand more than God. They think they understand how he works when in reality, God is omnipotent and omniscience. Truth is, if I can fit the infinite God in my three-pound brain, he would not be worth worshiping. The first ten words of the Bible states the creation logically. In order for our universe to function, you need time, matter, and space to come to existence at the same instant. If there were no matter or space, where would you put it? If there were matter and space but no time, when would you put it? You cannot have time, space, or matter independently. Genesis 1:1 answers that in ten words. "In the beginning (that’s time), God created the Heavens (that’s space) and the Earth (that’s matter)." A trinity of trinities has been created instantaneously. Time is past present future, space has length, width, height, and matter has solid, liquid, and gas. The God who created them must be outside of them. If he is limited by time, he is not God. He is above it, beyond it, in it, through it, and he’s unaffected by it. Romans 1:19-20 makes this clear: “because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them . . . so that they are without excuse.” Those who worship the creation over the creator, let me tell you, your worship would not benefit yourselves in the long run. Jesus states in Matthew 24:35, “Heaven and Earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.”
This. THIS is the video that led me to question everything, and eventually drop the faith. If there was a single video, it was this. I sobbed hard that day, crying tears of sadness and meaninglessness for hours on end. I thought I was done for. To this day, I have never told my parents about my faithlessness, and I remain in the closet. But for myself, I am free.
@@mako9579 Back when I saw this for the first time, I emailed it to my pastor in a panic. I remarked that I had no explanation for the claims & counterpoints therein. He referred me to a scientifically minded friend who was an expert in apologetics. For the next year, I watched many apologetics videos and balanced them with atheists rebuttals, and rebuttals of those. I spend a long time listening to both sides, getting a balanced perspective, and taking time. Mind you, at the time I was a young earth creationist and attended a Christian college. I saw this shattering video at the end of my freshman year. The summer following I started to turn Deist: I believed that a God exists, but I couldn't find adequate reason to believe it was the Judaic God who sent Jesus down to sacrifice himself. The primacy of Earth and Israel in a boundless universe made little sense to me. Sophomore year it hit me harder. I was back at Christian college, forced to go to "chapel" hosted by the school 3 times a week, an hour each. Nothing is more painful than watching your friends worship passionately and seem to have spiritual experiences when you can't feel anything. And trust me, I've tried. But I always felt like I was faking it. None of this felt genuine. Many of the sermons were generic, insipid "love your neighbor" platitudes, and after a while you've heard 'em all. I spent my time in chapel practicing vocabulary or sketching, or I'd put in an earbud and listen to atheist youtube channels and such. You'd be wrong if you thought I didn't spiral. You'd feel insane, too, if everyone except you believed, if it was taboo for you to talk openly about it, or to find anyone to open up to, or to even find anyone to date. Since I didn't date in high school, and my unbelief barred me from college girls, I graduated college without ever having a girlfriend. My once solid belief in young earth creationism also crumbled gloriously. I had zero excuse for the starlight problem. I once brought this up to my father. "I have doubts, you know? Like how could the universe be 6,000 years old if it takes millions if not billions of years for starlight from distant galaxies to reach Earth?" You know what he said? "Don't let one thing sway you from the faith" and worse he said "I'm afraid I'm gonna lose my son." I questioned creationism and did not find evolution wanting. I am happy to believe this wondrous truth. I can continue, if you reply.
+Shawn James If a thing is true, then the most closely you examine it, the more rigorously you scrutinize it, the more apparent the truth of it will become. The inverse holds as well: If a thing is not true, careful examination will make the untruth of it more apparent. Therefore, if you value truth over belief, close scrutiny is a virtue. If you value belief over truth, any questioning is an offense. So if you love truth, Shawn, ponder away.
+Shawn James I was Christian for years as well. I started seeing the truth after really examining what the Bible says. The more I read it and went to to church the more I began to realize that to me it seemed crazy. It is liberating to break away from what you have been told since a child and to think on your own. I need to get me some atheist friends. I love having these types of conversations. I live in the South so it is hard.
+Shawn James Thanks for being honest ~ with yourself I gave up the faith at 14 just from reading the bible I was to distraught with what some of it had to say to think it was the book of a "moral" god
Being raised from a deeply Catholic background, when I first came across your videos, I was kinda angry tbh. But I realized that there were so many contradictions in the Bible and many hypocrits within the Christian/Catholic community. I grew to love TH-cam channels like yours and became agnostic. Keep up the great work!
I'm neither saying the bible is wrong or right based on Catholicism. Believe whatever you want to believe, I'm not going to stop you, but I don't think you presented a balanced argument if you make the claim that this video is "made-up entirely of false premises and logical fallacies" when it could also be "open to interpretation". Additionally, if it is "open to interpretation" then I could say that the bible is contradictory for my own interpretation of rational thought. But like I said, believe whatever you want to believe. I couldn't care any less.
I could say the same exact thing about the bible. False premises and logical fallacies are present within the bible. Are you trying to say that the bible is inherently logical and true? If so, your argument would be biased.
Like I said, I'm neither saying the bible is right or wrong, but since you made your claim about this particular video, I would like to see your evidence that would not be open to interpretation.
Just because I say that there are contradictions to my own understand, doesn't mean I think the bible is inherently wrong. Look, I don't care what you believe in, so there is no point have an argument whether the bible is right or wrong.
Number 1, you made the claim that the video presented "false premises and logical fallacies". Number 2, you act as if my original comment is meant to be interpreted as fact. I made this comment reflecting on *personal* experience. Number 3, I am in agreement with you that the bible may be "open to interpretation". In addition to my original comment reflecting on personal experience, I can make a claim that the bible contains contradictions. That would neither make the bible factually right or wrong to *my own understanding*. You may not agree with my "reasoning", which okay, but you can't claim that I'm in the wrong for having an opinion.
I was a very devout Christian at one point. My free time was saturated with Bible-studying, praying long prayers, and going to church. It was definitely not an easy transition, especially given how much I had worked up in several Christian groups. But today, I am happier than ever. Rather than just trusting that everything will be "handled by God," I feel far more dominant in my everyday decisions. I can think truthfully about things without feeling like God is observing my thoughts, not fear hell fire because of a mere sin, and can actually use my free time to my advantage. While I support everyone's right to believe in whatever they want, I feel slightly guilty to; they gimp themselves of the beauty of reality.
I’m an Arminian at the moment and other than my weird obsession the spiritual realm (which I only study for a few minutes-hours a day) I can do anything a non religious person does. I listen to secular music, read secular books and I can watch scientific documentaries without freaking out. Sooo
This video actually makes me wish there was a God who was integral to the universe. A God who revealed himself to everyone equitably. A God who did not resort to blackmail or a rewards system to get people to love him, but a God who loved all people and allowed them to love him of there own volition. What an existence that would be.
+John B AS this video pointed out very well, A god is not integral to the universe, and has done a poor job of revealing himself. Yahweh also very much so resorts to blackmail and a rewards system. Non believers are supposedly tortured for an eternity and those that do believe supposedly recieve eternal happiness. The bible promotes slavery and intolerance, so I don't care if it also says that god loves all, because an all loving god could not possibly promote slavery and intolerance. Followers also do not love him of their own volition. They are demanded to love him or suffer consequences.
***** Nah, the god of the Bible is a whiny, bi-polar, insecure, desperate, bitchy, stubborn, malicious, murderous, torturous, unforgiving, unmerciful, self-centered individual. I was born and raised a Christian fam, but I always questioned why God would do certain things and then researched until I realize the Christian god was a clusterfuck concept that had insufficient evidence. I'd rather there be no god than him tbh.
***** Actually, I am older. But how you perceive my age is of no concern to me. I took on a persona of childishness to match that of the subject matter, a childish belief system. I have painstakingly done my research, and your response informs me that you have not. There is no return to a place of self-deception and willful denial of the truth once you have seen it for what it is. If your God is truly there, I am open to him. I seek the truth regardless of personal bias. However, I have not encountered him yet. If he ever wishes to introduce himself, I will be enthused to speak with him :)
Yep. The Lord of all creation chose to confine himself to the middle east. If it weren't for that area of land, the rest of the world might be at peace.
Hello JohnBee, you are one of the most intelligent theist? I've ever found. As your point about the necessity of a God in humans is the best point to ever make in my opinion. Also, why do you reply to almost every comment lol.
Hi Victor, thanks for the compliment. You'd be correct in saying that I'm a theist. Though perhaps not in the classic sense from a Christian perspective. As for replying to almost every comment, I really can't say. Though I really enjoy the statements and discussions that come from this particular video - as I think it invokes some very significant questions on the topic of the existence of God and the many arguments that go along with it.
JohnBee Yeah, I also enjoyed reading the arguments as well. I just wish more theist were more like you. Also there was a thread were you stated that Darkmatter created his own version of God and basically debunked his own arguments. I think Darkmatter only wanted to refute the famous talking points made by theist that do not have a profound concept on God. I don't believe he intended to debunk the actual teachings of the bible. Which I guess you could say he's attacking low hanging fruits but his intentions were to convince average people, which he succeeded.
I think you're right on the video and the Bible - I began to suspect this was most likely the case, after watching several other video's from the same author. With that said, the most common reason for bringing-up the matter of credibility to the source, relate to comments made toward the Christian faith. Such as; "this video should be seen by Christians, Bible classes, etc" Which leads me to add that the video wouldn't likely relate to the Bible as you yourself appear to be saying. Which is not necessarily a bad thing if you think about it, as I've come to the conclusion that video's such as these can prove to be an excellent sources of reflection in terms of challenging one's own faith and understanding toward matters. PS. I find the discussions pertinent to none-believers to be far more beneficial than with other believers. Though it helps if one can adhere to the fact that indifference is not only acceptable but very much a part of the arrangement. There are far too many people who simply cannot accept indifference from either side it seems.
I have no words. This is hands down one of the best videos ever created on the internet. The presentation, the writing, the music, animation, the production,the voice-over....this is an absolute masterpiece,and definitely the best video you've done so far. AMAZING work Darkmatter.
+Orikon25 Total agreement! It is arguably his best work to date and among the finest and most thoughtful pieces of commentary on atheism and the failure of the god model ever created, on TH-cam or anywhere else.
Alexander Davies Castle I do remember it, and I think this is better. It is more expository and explanatory; it makes a better and more thorough case for the absurdity of the god-concept, and does so brilliantly. Yeah, that's just my opinion ... but in the overall arc of DM's work, I think it's valid.
I was chatting with a biblical scholar of some such variety last week, who actually posed the philosophical question to me: _Why does God appear to not exist to humans if he, in fact, does exist?_ And I answered that if it appears that something doesn't exist, then the most plausible truth to it is that it doesn't exist. For whatever reason, he wouldn't accept that answer, and rambled for an hour or something about divine intention or some such rubbish.
+Ash Don I like to call it stupid design. Every time I stumble across something I could have designed better, I curse the stupid designer who fucked it up this way.
TheReaverOfDarkness The world is not perfect of course and this has two reasons in the Bible-God only called the Earth GOOD,not perfect and later Jesus says that Satan is the ruler of the world
+Pippy The Magic Pencil Sharpening Toilet I wrote a paper on the same subject in 7th grade for my religion class, but my views at the time were very much influenced by Assassin's Creed (Mainly "The Truth" segment of AC2). Luckly, our religion teacher was more of a philosopher and pointed out the fallacies in my paper. I guess I was lucky to have a teacher that was so anti-theistic as my "religion" teacher who really tought us to think and question everything rather than listening and believing. She was an amazing woman.
Perhaps one of your best. Certainly awesome visuals and concept. Very powerful without being offensive or abusive. Just lays it out and says, "Does this make sense?"
"The video is well made. The arguments... no so much" Define what you mean by... video... That could be interpreted as the argument itself as in you're literally saying, "The argument is well made... but it's not" Irregardless, Argumentum ad Lapidem...
+Mattothee clockwork in this case means it can run without any intervention. It means that reality isn't constantly falling apart and everything follows the same rules. For example, if suddenly gravity stopped working, then it would not be a clockwork universe (unless of course gravity occurs in cycles, but we haven't seen that, so it likely doesn't). A clockwork universe can be unexpected. It can change. However, it will not be unexpected if one knows the mechanics behind it. If humanity were to learn everything about the universe, we would be able to predict everything that goes on, from solar flares to galaxy collisions to gamma ray bursts.
+Jaz Winter Wow. You're on a new level of stupidity. Try watching Dark Matter's video's. It explains the foolish assumption that there might even be a hell to begin with. And even if there was a hell, I'd rather go there then with the likes of you.
+Jaz Winter Reading the bible as proof huh? Why not try to read multiple sources? Please try to broaden your world. Religion is indoctrinated by parents, school or other external factors. Religion as a whole is on a decline. People are no longer scared for a bully god, a fictional hell or heaven, or death in general. Religion has poisoned our society and only benefited the rich and corrupt. For too long have gays, women, pagans, free thinkers suffered under the tyranny of religion. Let us accelerate the enlightenment and free the world. Sapere aude.
It's kind of like when someone makes a fictional character. A person cannot create a character that is smarter than themself or has more knowledge than themself. Clearly the mind of the god that is depicted in the bible is not above that of the human mind as evidently shown by his actions. His solutions to problems there shouldn't even be there since he is omnipotent and can see the future (which doesn't even make sense for him since he is timeless) are far from perfect. He is falible just like humans. The reason the god of the bible makes mistakes like having to solve problems to complete his grand plan showing his plan is not perfect otherwise there would be no problems could be - possibly that he was created by something that makes mistakes and is not perfect.
Jens Olesen *"His solutions to problems there shouldn't even be there since he is omnipotent and can see the future "* ... and even this gem will go in one ear and out the other.
I will first clarify in which sense he makes mistakes. A being that is omnipotent which the christian god is according to the bible would have reality be exactly as it wanted it to be. It wouldn't be displeased with anything, nothing would be against what it wanted reality to be. Clearly the christian god is some times displeased according to the bible. When Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge the christian god was displeased. When the earth was corrupted and the christian god flodded it the earth was not as it wanted it to be. The christian god punishes those who do not think he exists to the worst possible fate implying they do not act according to what it wants. So reality is not always what the christian god wants it to be which is evident by it being displeased. To a being that is perfect and omnipotent anything that doesn't perfectly go according to it's plan is a mistake. Yet everything would go according to it's plan because it is omnipotent. That also begs the question if it actually makes sense that it is omnipotent when you look at how it acts in the bible. It's similar to saying that you're good following it by torturing and raping a todler. It doesn't make sense and it's not believable. According to the bible the christian god is holy good but that is not evident by the world we live in. Millions of people die each year by causes no other human has an effect on like earthquakes and tsunamies meaning the evil isn't justified by free will, only the christian god can be hold accountable for this evil. Omnipotens itself is an asbolutely absurd concept that if applied to reality would create an infinite number of paradoxes and contradictions which would be possible because of omnipotens itself. A completely illogical and ridiculous concept. Clearly an idea and nothing that has a place in reality. That's the same reason why when the concept is applied to a character described in a book the story told makes no sense at all.
+Michael Atwood I like what you're saying, sir, but the smartest person I know once said: "Anyone who claims they're not a liar is a liar, as they just told a lie." So... some humility, please.
+Michael Atwood fancy bumping into you here, I've seen your journey to Islam videos before. I'll leave you to your thoughts wherever they take you, but I'll also offer that you don't give fear any epistemic credit. Any belief system that has to threaten you to retain you should be suspect. Real truth stands on its own merits, not coercion. Good luck out there
***** How do you know there is a god, which god it is, and what this god promised? It's not everyday someone in the youtube comments has knowledge about one of the biggest philosophical and scientific questions ever that the scientific community isn't aware of, unless you have already collected your Nobel prize, but I haven't heard of any new world changing discoveries the past few days, but apparently you have acquired this knowledge, and would be the most famous person in the world. so bring me up to speed!!
***** Ok so you threw in a lot of broad assertions there, that it's concepts are true, historical validity, plausibility, etc. But your Question "What evidence do we have that the God of the Christian Bible is who He claims to be?" Is fallacious, in that it's circular, since it's already has the premise in it that the Christian god exists. I'm asking what reason is there to think this being exists at all, and having a question that already assumes this being exists is loaded. And you mention prophecies. Lets assume for a moment that all the 'prophecies' were true and 100% accurate. Please demonstrate that the cause is this god.
***** Ok, your original question was loaded since it already had the premise that the deity exists. So enough of this "What evidence do we have that this god is who he claims to be?" or "What evidence do we have that this so called god is who he claims to be?". Actually address what I said, and please stop repeating the same extremely broad assertions. And no, you can't know anything based on faith, since using faith as a standard gets you to contradictory conclusions. Please address what I actually said. I said, lets assume for a moment these 'prophecies' were all accurate and true. And then I said, now demonstrate that the cause is this god. And if you just reply with the same broad assertions like "There's evidence for this god", or just saying "faith", then we're done.
***** I'm sorry you don't understand that it's not convincing to simply preach. All you're doing is making assertions and preaching. I wanted an actual discussion, not just listen to you repeatedly assume and preach that the christian god exists, so goodbye, thread muted.
If there is anyone that managed to watch this video and remain a theist... I'd love to talk to you. Please reply to me if you do. (seriously) EDIT: in case you can't tell by the 478 replies to this comment: I've already the pleasure of having that conversation. You can try all you want, but I won't be replying anymore
I personally love this video, but then, I am already an atheist. I considered sending it to some Christian friends but it occurred to me that it may be too deep for their cloistered minds that are continually walled off from reality by self-imposed ignorance. Before one can change one's mind, one must be willing to admit one was wrong. That is pretty hard for ego-centered individuals who worship an ego-centered mythical God. Nonetheless; thank you very much for creating this video.
Most anyone who's read the Bible would easily identify with the inconsistencies in the presentation. And so it's unlikely that this video would accomplish anything in that regard.
I know this comment is really old by this point but i cant help to add to this haha. So a while ago i had this guy on my friends list on Facebook. He was (probably still is) really smart but he also was very, very christian and he LOVED to post stuff that essentially boiled down to "look i smart guy i believe god therefore it must be true". You could barley go 2 days without seeing something he wrote. Anyway since he seemed like a pretty intelligent and sorta nice person (a religius guy that REALLY believes but you could stikk talk to) i wanted to hear his two cents on the arguments presented in this series so i hit him up on messenger and asked if i could hear his thoughts (i was mainly interested in what he had to say about this specific ep) and he agreed so i sent it to him. Fast forward 15 or so minutes and he says that it mainly seems like some sort of propaganda almost. Like it was made by someone who already had their mind set on what they thought. It seemed he couldnt even get his head around the concept that god might not even really be god and he almost seemed offended lol. Not sure where this was going but i felt like adding it haha
As an ex-Christian, I agree that this video may be too deep for them to understand if they are like the average Christian. If this was sent to me while I was still in the religion, I would have considered it as a "non credible source" because it's promoting Atheism. For the viewer to be able to watch objectively, they'd have to be open to other ideas, which many fundamentalists / extremist Christians (sometimes even the moderates) are not because they fear it will threaten their faith.
Michael Jaquish I am a Christian watching this but I actually really liked this series Only thing I didn’t like was that time I thought Lucy and Darkmatter were gonna kiss but it turns out they were just walking different directions oof
If God had a plan, then that means it is already decided whether you go to heaven or hell, so that would mean believing in him or not believing in him is pointless.
+John B doesn't the bible also claim that god I in control if everything? why if god knows someone is going to hell would he let them be born in the first place.
***** Right... So I guess I'm asking what was it you thought was not accurate? I mean, I don't think the point of the video was to be accurate as far as numbers of stars, galaxies, grains of sand or what have you.. But more so to illustrate a point. If he created the heavens and earth, which would include all of those stars galaxies and other worlds, why was his direct interaction with people limited to only one small area of this planet during one blip in time. Leaving man to create so much conflict throughout history based off of hear say and perceptions from that one period of time in that small area. I think he is suggesting an all powerful, all knowing, ever present being could (and probably should) have done better. That's how I took it at least.
+Jermaine Asbury He's kinda just scattered through the comments saying he's against the arguments and points, claiming them to be wrong, illogical, and not make sense. I have yet to see a comment where he actually supports his claims. Just, "It's wrong"
John B is a perfect example of someone who can't think for himself. I always come back to the issue of FEAR being what prevents them from stepping OUTSIDE their belief system for one minute to question its validity. Religions have succeeded in brainwashing followers for milleniums. So so sad. Good brains gone to mush.
this video does such a good job of viscerally communicating the argument of "there are so many other stars, galaxies, in the giantic universe - why pick one planet, one people, one portion of one conteinent" argument.
***** correct, it is not a strictly syllogistical proof. it merely undermines the plausibility of there being a god. it speaks to and addresses the probability. And that's relevant because that's the mode of thinking the pro-god camp uses.
This argument shows that the Christian god has just as much proof of existence as any other god made up by humans. It also goes to show that god sent millions of people to hell for disbelief, even though they never had a chance to interract with god or had any clue he even existed.
Deuteronomy 17, Revelation 21, John 12, and at the moment that's all I can remember. A simple google search should give me at least 10. BTW you're wrong I read the bible and it does state that non believers go to hell.
What part the bible says these people will be resurrected? Their were only a few people ever to be resurrected according to the bible. Not only that but these people who never had a chance to meet god or have any clue about the beliefs also would be pardoned according to what you said even if they had killed people in the name of another god such as those aztecs who sacrificed humans for their beliefs.
"Why would mere geography affect an omnipresent God's interaction with his creation? Geography should only affect a manmade God" I first saw this video back in 2016, and have come back to it countless times since. I've thought about this quote so many times since. And the rest of this video's articulate display of the sheer size of the universe, and the subsequent objective, mathematical truth of our spatial and temporal insignificance, spearheaded my eventual shift into existential nihilism two years later. This video definitively made me an Ex Muslim and spearheaded my subsequent philosophical journey. Thank you, DarkMatter2525. You are absolutely brilliant and admirably eloquent. When I feel comfortable enough to come out as Ex Muslim to my family someday, this geography question is the one that I plan on beginning the discussion with, before I drop the bomb (no pun intended, as an Ex Muslim) and announce my apostasy
I don't know much about the Muslim faith, though I'd ask if you've ever considered the Christian God? ie, the Christian God(YHWH), is not limited to earth alone, but all things in existence known and unknown. Similarly, YHWH's deliverance is not limited to a specific place or people, but the entire earth inhabited.
@@SmalltimR Islam and Christianity stem from the same religion, and this fundamental flaw exists within all three. In fact, I'm surprised to see that you (I assume) watched this video and still didn't see it. You can cite verses from the bible that support the claim that YHWH or Allah communicated with all of existence, but the truth is that from an academic evaluation, the only profound communication/impact he had was within a small sector of the Middle East (as brilliantly shown in this video). Regardless of whether or not the bible says that, you can provide absolutely no indication that this God communicated his message to the Americas, to Australia, to South America, so you absolutely cannot substantiate the claim that God wasn't limited by geography. If this was truly the case, then we would have seen evidences of these beliefs held throughout Native American Religions (at least to some scale), or aboriginal Native Australian religions. But we don't. And lastly, I think the point of this video was to show two things. A) Provide perspective for how insignificant humanity is on a spacial and temporal perspective, and B) How a supposed creator capable of creating such an incomprehensibly massive universe did so with the only end purpose of the eventual evolution of humanity, and then proceeded onwards with a heavily flawed form of communication which does an abundantly poor job of proving this creator's existence.
@@u.a.3953 *RE:* this fundamental flaw exists within all three. *A.* All three what, you only cited two religions from what I can see. *RE:* I'm surprised to see that you (I assume) watched this video and still didn't see it. *A.* Didn't see what exactly? *RE:* from an academic evaluation, the only profound communication/impact he had was within a small sector of the Middle East (as brilliantly shown in this video). *A.* I have no idea what it is you're talking about, but last I looked, YHWH was made known throughout the entire earth inhabited. In addition to this, God sent His Son into the world to save the entire world - and to which I would add, this entire world been atoned-for by Jesus Christ; past, present and future *RE:* Regardless of whether or not the bible says that, you can provide absolutely no indication that this God communicated his message to the Americas, to Australia, to South America, so you absolutely cannot substantiate the claim that God wasn't limited by geography. *A.* Last I looked, Christianity was known to all of America's as well as Australia *RE:* If this was truly the case, then we would have seen evidences of these beliefs held throughout Native American Religions (at least to some scale), or aboriginal Native Australian religions. But we don't. *A.* Adhering to a belief is not evidence that the Bible is true however, as the Bible does not say that everyone would believe, but more accurately, that the salvation provided by God in Jesus was applicable to the entire world. *RE:* And lastly, I think the point of this video was to show two things. A) Provide perspective for how insignificant humanity is on a spacial and temporal perspective *A.* And how does the scale of humanity work to prove or disprove the existence of God exactly? *RE:* B) How a supposed creator capable of creating such an incomprehensibly massive universe did so with the only end purpose of the eventual evolution of humanity, and then proceeded onward with a heavily flawed form of communication which does an abundantly poor job of proving this creator's existence. *A.* From what Bible reference or citation do we conclude the end-purpose for the creation of the human species by God?
@@SmalltimR 1) Islam and Christianity stem from the same religion (Judaism), sorry if that wasn't clear, was basically trying to point out the Abrahamic religions. 2) The point was the limitation of geography, which you objected to for my next few sentences, but I'll address it all here. I think what you're trying to indicate is that YHWH is known all over the world today, but if that is the case, here's how I'd respond. Stating that the idea of YHWH has spread throughout the globe doesn't necessarily contrast the point that YHWH is limited by geography. The whole point of this video is to show that the extent of revelation for this God was in a relatively small area in the Middle East. Sure, you can make the case that today, YHWH is known over the world. But why didn't he reveal himself to the Native Americans or Australians? Can I not argue that the ideology of Christianity was beneficial in fitness in helping a certain group carry out conquest, and reproduce the idea throughout the World? 3) Even if the Bible says that salvation is applicable to the entire world, the limit extent of exposure to direct contact with YHWH for the majority of the world seems oddly limiting. Again, as quoted in the video, Jeffrey says "YHWH, why have you chosen to limit yourself in this way?" Even if the Bible states that this salvation is applicable to everyone, it doesn't make it any more sensible 4) The scale of humanity is important, because at least in the Qur'an (not entirely sure if this is in the Bible), but the idea is that Allah created the heavens and the earth, created Angels, and then humans who have free will. It follows then, that the perceived purpose for the existence of the Universe (which we thought was very small back then and thought we were at the center of) was for God to test if we can follow his path. But the sheer mathematical insignificance of earth, and let alone humanity, makes it hard to take the leap of faith to believe this. And would you mind clarifying your last point? I don't think I understand what you mean. If God has followed what I think is a far more logical and convincing path of proving his existence, how would that change my ability to choose belief? I would be free to choose whether or not I believe, the only thing is it would be more convincing if there was some logical consistency here
@@u.a.3953 *RE:* (Judaism), sorry if that wasn't clear, was basically trying to point out the Abrahamic religions. *A.* Thanks for explaining. *RE:* The whole point of this video is to show that the extent of revelation for this God was in a relatively small area in the Middle East. *A.* I'm not sure if all Abrahamic religions interpret creation the same way, though I'd point out that the Old Testament presents the creation of man along with God at the founding of the world - thus undermining the criticism that the revelation of God be subject to limitations. In addition this and along these same lines - it's also worth noting that the entire concept of the fall of man was completely missing from the presentation, and that this in itself would have addressed many of the criticism raised in the video in question. *RE:* But why didn't he reveal himself to the Native Americans or Australians? *A.* I have no idea, though I don't see how this would challenge the thousands of years of interventions with mankind leading to the fulfillment of human salvation under God. *RE:* Can I not argue that the ideology of Christianity was beneficial in fitness in helping a certain group carry out conquest, and reproduce the idea throughout the World? *A.* The strange thing is about this, is that the early Christian foundation was not set on social advantages at all, but moreso, on the self-sacrificial behaviour of carrying out a greater work. And while it is true that entities such as the Catholic Church profited from the adoption and development of the Christian Faith, it remains that these organisations would not prove loyal to the teachings of Jesus Christ, but as apostates of Christ, by going against His teachings and commandments. Whereas true followers of Christ on the other hand, would not benefit in fitness or conquest, as this was in opposition to Christ's teachings and commandments(see). *RE:* Even if the Bible says that salvation is applicable to the entire world, the limit extent of exposure to direct contact with YHWH for the majority of the world seems oddly limiting. *A.* That is a fair criticism, though I'd add, that the Bible does not say that we need direct contact with YHWH in order to be saved in Jesus Christ ransom - as the wages of sin is death, and that the ransom sacrifice is applicable to all who are subject to death by resurrection. Comparing with the message of the Kingdom, and of which we are commissioned to go forth and make disciples. *RE:* Again, as quoted in the video, Jeffrey says "YHWH, why have you chosen to limit yourself in this way?" Even if the Bible states that this salvation is applicable to everyone, it doesn't make it any more sensible *A.* I think the fair answer in this case would have been a refresher on the initial relationship with God at the founding of the world, followed by the fall and separation of mankind, along with the promise of salvation revealed to Abraham. Having said that, there is the matter of the timing and delivery of salvation - and of which I am no sooner disposed in saying that the choice of delivery of salvation by all knowing entity such as YHWH, must therefore encompass every possible outcome in the best interest of humanity. *RE:* It follows then, that the perceived purpose for the existence of the Universe (which we thought was very small back then and thought we were at the center of) was for God to test if we can follow his path. But the sheer mathematical insignificance of earth, and let alone humanity, makes it hard to take the leap of faith to believe this. *A.* I must say that I'm not entirely sure how this poses a challenge to the concept of creation under God, though from a Christian standpoint, I would add that the sheer magnitude of the universe along with our innate desire for exploration, would serve as testimony to God's greatness. As in; if humans were made in the image of God, baring divine qualities such as; love, justice, creativity, etc. Then it would logically follow that humanity would likely(in time), reach a point where the entire universe would become a part of creation. *RE:* And would you mind clarifying your last point? I don't think I understand what you mean. *A.* What I meant to say is that the very criticism raised by the author undermines the foundation from which we are free to choose. Which is a common thread in atheism, as atheists will often argue that a world under God would be better without free will, and that such an arrangement would resolve the issue of separation from God. *RE:* If God has followed what I think is a far more logical and convincing path of proving his existence, how would that change my ability to choose belief? *A.* The question I'd ask, is why we should believe that God's objective be that of proving His existence? I mean, if we approach this in accordance with God's divine attributes on the table, then wouldn't it make more sense to conclude that the measures taken by God in this world be used to accommodate the choices made to humanity at the fall? And to help explain this concept further, consider the following illustration; If we conclude that an all knowing, timeless and unchanging being such as God created the heavens and the earth, would we not conclude that everything that we created be a part of the dynamic relationship between God and man? And if so, then how would approach the choices made in the beginning? Do we say God created Adam and Eve in a garden and that He took the opportunity to exile them outside the boundary of that garden? Or do we say, that God "prepared" the earth to accommodate that which was to come? Therefore, and if we are to approach the matter according to the text, then I'm thinking most everyone would agree that the decisions made by God could have only been made in view of what was to come - such as; the tree of knowledge, was placed in the garden with a purpose, just as the uncultivated wasteland had a purpose, along with the water in the heavens prior-to the flood, and so-on and so-forth, all of the way until now... At which point, you and I, have the ability to choose freely whether we want to believe in God or not. Which falls right in line with the words spoken to Eve by the voice of the stranger, who told her that she could decide for yourself what was good and bad (see). *RE:* it would be more convincing if there was some logical consistency here... *A.* Here again, and while I could not speak for the Qumran, it has been my observation that the Christian Bible is very consistent in terms of who and what God is, along with the current state of things in the world today.
When I believed in God, I always wondered why wouldn't he give me a sign that I would know, since he knows everything, and you explained that perfectly. Awesome videos.
If God knows everything and doesn't give you a sign, wouldn't that mean you are getting exactly what's needed? With that said, there are some rather startling illustrations provided in the Bible insofar as faith and God are concerned. Such as God being in all things, and that the conditioning of oneself. Though I don't think there's ever been an illustration in-where someone could claim God didn't do what was warranted however.
Aaaa you yourself is the sign of god...the surrounding is the sign of a supreme being....this perfect earth and in this whole earth just we human having just intellect is not a coincidence...there must be someone who started all this.... creating of universe from nothing is impossible there must be someone who is supreme and majestic you will understand if you have Intellect.....if you read Qur'an you will get all of your answers perfect with no doubt and you will be satisfied...and the science in Qur'an will shock you.. you will question how can someone 1400 year ago can know all this information...Allah is supreme so don't judge the one who created all this with this tiny little mind...
@@exonn8779 If intellect need a creator, who created god's intellect? Why there is no beginning of God? If we have a mind so tiny, what is the meaning of even thinking about God if we can't judge his decisions? If we can't understand God, what is even the meaning of god's existence? And lastly Quran doesn't answer these questions I have read it myself.
***** The following is my guess: Before there were kings, the rulers of a tribe were probably religious leaders. Using the names f gods the religious leader would control his people. The gods don't want you to steal, the gods don't want you to screw my wife, the gods don't want you to kill your neighbor, the gods want you to kill the other people because they are different than us, etc. The eating of a fruit in the Bible story sounds pretty ridiculous, but I guess it shows how intolerant that particular god is. One mistake and you get kicked out. It wants ABSOLUTE obedience and is not interested in the little people's opinions. The flood story is bizarre. Angels coming to Earth and screwing Earth women and they give birth to giant kids. I'm not sure how the kids came out of their vaginas or why angels would want to have children with women and not men or do angels have sperm. Out of all the places to explore, they come to Earth for fucking. But again, the story focuses on "do what I say or I kill you". In other words, you have to obey the puppet master (the guy holding the strings is the religious leader). Why would a god just sit around and do nothing and take action in the end? The religious leader is also a guy who wants peace, who wants his people to treat each other with respect. "As it goes-on to state that the very Kingdom of God will crush the world governments in the establishments of peace on earth. :" ==The idea is that that particular god is real and that the jews are in the right group and should not leave that religion.
***** John B. I am getting the impression that you believe every word of the Bible is correct. Which religion have you joined? "Okay, let's looking at the claim and information another way. Can you name a single leader in the Bible that did not fall short of God?" ==Jesus. "But instead, when we end-up with is a book that undermines those who wrote it cover to cover in every way conceivable." ==Such as? "The ten commandments were from God rather than the people." ==Unfortunately, there is no way for me to verify that or for anyone else either. I think there is no alternative to a godless world. Humans need to beleieve that they won't die and that there is a better life elsewhere, thus, every culture developed some form of a religion. Life was extremely hard, so I don't blame them. This is why there are thousands of religions. I think if there was a singular god, he should be able to deal with false religions in betters ways than to kill people and kids or have his jews kill people and kids. More importantly, why does a god, who is spiritual, make stuff out of atoms? The old bibles were written on what exactly? They were passed down orally until some guy wrote on goat skin or something. I would imagine that an advanced alien being should be able to deliver his stories in a better format. "However, I'd also add that this hardly meant absolute obedience as it dealt with a single aspect of the law under God and nothing else." ==So what you are saying is that the story is not about obedience? "humans and angels" ==I'm not even sure what an angel is suppose to be. Humans think that they look like humans but have bird wings. What a weird thing. I think primitive people believed that their heaven is above them and these angel things used wings to fly up and down. "That said, you're mistaken in assuming the flood was based on; do as I say or I'll kill you at all, but rather where it came to be" ==What do you mean by "where it came to be". "the time where God saw that human existence had come to end and where interventions were required so as to fulfill His will (deliverance and restoration of everlasting life on earth)" ==Are you saying that he wants to give you everlasting life on earth?
+Carrot Cake Majority of the scientists who do the exploring and discovering are atheists, so that already totally denounces what you say. OneyNG is an atheist, the very person who created the animation you seem to like. That means nothing really, but I'm just stating a fact I thought was kind of ironic that your preaching something he doesn't agree with. Is he evil too? Because he has to be by your logic. All of your arguments get debunked in the video, did you even pay attention? I don't think you're evil for believing in God, in fact you sound kind of young, and I really do get how it's scary to think there's no God because that directly means there's nothing after you die. No one wants to die, everyone wants to live forever and have their loved ones live forever, or meet dead ones. Religion gives you that, but it's a lie. You know it is. The universe is 100% indifferent to humans, it's up to us, whilst we have our short lives, to positively impact those around us and the world we live in. That's scary, I know. Nearly every Atheist used to believe in God, you realize? Every one of them had a long, logical talk with themselves, analyzing the evidence, not going on what made them FEEL better, but what they know to be true and what they know is impossible to be true. At the end of the day, I think you know there's no God and you're trying to make yourself feel better. No one can MAKE you use critical thinking, and many vocal atheists are assholes the same way many vocal religious people are assholes.
+louis tournas maybe you should read the old testament and you will see your comment be answered. you will know about fake gods and man made religion's. you will also know how God hates those people who worship other gods and how God also hate all these man made religions.
+EnderCrypt I think it's an honorific denoting his status as the Messiah of mankind. It's like how Darth Vader's first name isn't Darth, Darth is just his title.
+John B please do make a video about it then. Without any factual fallacies? For me as an ex-Catholic the video just seems to oversimplify the complex trajectory of religious logic. But since you're everywhere here in the comment sections in this video I see that you're well aware about the situation here that most people here are atheist. Just tell me your point straight out my good man. What are you hoping to achieve here? To bash the claims of this video? Or protect theism?
+John B yeah I know. Sorry for using the word "bash". I just reread my comment. What I meant was "critique". Well if that's how you put it then okay my man. Nothing to be worried about. Just people saying their opinion after opinion.
One thing I could never figure out was how it came to be that societies all over the world didn't know about the god of the Bible. If Adam and Eve were the forebears of the entire human race, didn't they pass on their acquaintance with God to their progeny? Did some generation along the way fail to pass it on? "So, here we are in South America, having migrated here, generation by generation from the birthplace of our first ancestors. We've passed on our language, our knowledge of edible plants, how to build a fire. Oh, wait! Darn, we forgot to tell our children about the most important thing in the world: God! ... Oh, well." And this happened EVERYWHERE, in every single society--except the one lineage that led to the ancient Hebrews. Weird, huh?
+John B Sorry, John, but I think you missed my point completely. If the original humans knew God personally, how could that knowledge ever fail to be passed on. It wouldn't. And so the 'good news' wouldn't need to be spread thousands of years later. Mind you, it's not unreasonable to think that some groups would somehow fall away from knowledge of their creator. But the idea that only one tiny group of people, out of the thousands of societies that populated the earth, maintained knowledge of him is just ridiculous. It makes much, much more sense to accept that the Jews had their own god, of their own making, just as each society had its own gods of its own making. If a father loves his children and wants them all to know him, the approach you are suggesting is an absolutely idiotic way to go about it. And it makes a lot more sense to think that God is not real than to think he is that lame-brained.
Maybe it is because God gave man a choice between following the eternal truths or following a life without God, and with Satan and/or the fallen angels. The choices that man make are left up to the individual. It is not like mankind forgot about the Godhead, rather, humans deliberately isolated themselves from the truth because it gave them a conscience and standards to live by.
+Leaf Lanz So, the billions of people who have never even heard of God or the Bible, including the remote tribes in Papua New Guinea and deep in the Amazon jungle that have never even had contact with the outside world all ... individually rejected God? Hmmmmm. Does that have the ring of truth to you?
+John B If you watched the video, and/or any of his others and missed the "simple and elegant points" I referred to, then you are among the "they" I was referring to who lacked comprehension of said points. I'm not sure how to help you understand any better than this video. There are a lot of others out there who maybe can, though!
+statikreg There is no hope for John B becoming a rational person. The brainwashing he received was thorough. Unfortunately, there is no real negative impact on people's lives when they believe metaphysical nonsense. Our retarded society nurtures their beliefs and the perpetuation of the bullshit will continue into the next century. Especially here in the USA which is fucking beyond repair now.
+Scott Seufert ...To claim there is no supporting evidence for the Bible's historical accounts is evidence that perhaps you need to broaden your research parameters. If we are to be true to scientific method, we must study all sides, all hypotheses. I recommend "In The Beginning" by Brown, a scientist...just to start off. Then dig deeply into the papers of creation science websites. If you will not do this, you have no authority to attempt to debunk the claims of the Bible. Besides, it may give you some new material to shoot at.
as an individual who prides philosophy as a key to understanding the universe, every time i watch one of these types of videos by you i always am left wanting more but full of deep, meaningful thought that forces me to use the whole of my understanding to take the questions you raise and answer them in the most complex yet simple ways i can ponder up. if i had any faith in a god i ask that you be blessed, but i can only hope you live along happy, and artistically extravagant life that lets you help more people of waning faith understand why that faith in meaningless in the grand universe we all reside within. I love your videos so don't stop, we all appreciate your hard work.
Ah, most fine. You meant no harm and im sorry for my reply if i seemed defensive. I see that these arguments are more along the lines of rational thought that leads to scientific study that allows us to understand that the universe doesn't need a creator if it works in perfect harmony without his involvement in the way it works.
I found this site about 10 years ago after I first de converted from Judaism and have watched nearly all of the videos. This one is by far my favorite.
@@SmalltimR I hope you realize that the Judaism god, the christian god, the Muslim god, and the thousands of other denominations of Christianity all believe in the exact same deity, just with different twists to make it unique. Think of it this way, first a religion starts, but they don't write down their stories on paper, they just pass it down by ear, and with each generation and each time it's told, something small, changes, then after lets say 100 to 1000 years, the original story, isn't going to be the same, which ends up creating different beliefs about the exact same story, that's been told by ear for thousands of years. It is the longest game of Telephone.
@@Ragingknight12 I don't think we're going to agree on the use of the term "exact" in this particular case. ie, how is the triune God exactly resembling the Muslim God?
+IngSoc Smith *"If triangles had Gods, their Gods would have three sides."* It needs omniscience. It's not a really omnipotent god if it doesn't have four-sides.
This was the first darkmatter2525 video i ever watched and the one that made me doubt my faith years ago. I just rewatched it today and it was clearly ahead of its time. Kudos to you for making a very high quality thought provoking video!
I have been through a lot and I don't know where I belong anymore I don't know what God to worship or even believe if there is a god. I am a 16 year old Muslim girl and seeing this serious stuff helps me a lot so I hope this type of material will continue
Yeah why would a god create billions of galaxies in the first place? Showing off? Why not just a moon, sun and Earth? Why do you need black holes, and all of the other dangerous stuff in space?
Just when I was starting to question my atheism, this helps restore why I stopped believing. The fine tuning argument, touched upon by Sean Carroll vs william lane craig is somewhat used in this video, but in this video, the concept is much easier to grasp. You're right, if God is God, why does he need to restrict himself when it comes to life creation? Never thought of it like that. Thanks again Darkmatter2525
***** sure you acted like I made my decision based on this video. All this video did was remind me that the fine tuning argument wasn't for life. I've entertained the free will argument and finds it holds no water. Feel free to run it by me again though, I'm willing to try to grasp it
+John B Which kind of free will do you think God would appreciate more? The blind faith imposed with fear by few powerful people on some poor people that could not afford enough knowledge to chose what to believe in. Or the free thinking and kindness of an atheist that the only thing that he imposes on other people is the more accurate knowledge of reality he can achieve with hardwork and dedication at any given period of time so others can make their minds up. I don't know, It just seems to me that religions don't promote that free will very well.
Maybe the bible would be convincing if there was something that would be above the knowledge of people of that time. If God revealed to them quantum physics or something. Even the animals in the bible are all within a 100 mile radius.
OG Jatt I converted to christianity from atheism after college. I would love to see your degree in science. Oh wait you are probably still in middle school like most internet atheists. At least mentally.
***** You are obviously being technical, you know what I mean that they didnt believe pillars and giants were holding it up like their counterparts. And I was making a statement to show Im not some stupid little kid that atheists love to assume just because someone doesnt believe in nothing.
+CollegeTalkTV I don't think all of the animals being within an 100 mile radius means anything. I don't think it gives a reason to not believe the Bible.
+비니보이 I did as soon as I saw, I also downloaded the video and shared it anyway, giving credit to the creator. Facebook fixed it though, Shared again with this link and deleted my copy. :)
+비니보이 They are just butthurt and have no respect for people's beliefs, choice or even lifestyles and think that Atheists will burn in hell or something...... As a Christian myself, I say screw those over-religious maniacs, and share this video. If facebook doesn't allow it then rape the share button until facebook goes "If you share this will you leave us alone?".
Cathy Freeney It wouldn't matter to me, I'd still approach my life using rationality and science. If I determined it was a program, I'd then start to study why that was so.
+Steve Weir Correct way to go about it. Once you understand the reality, was it then a program, or clockwork, or run by magical monkey on a golden kettle, you will be able to start to see beyond it, and finally get answers to questions, instead of just excuses like "god did it"
+Anubis Master that would mean you are claiming to be god. Because you are a part of the universe. And then God would also follow rules. And be useless. Why would you need to say that. You can't pray to it and get anything, it won't do anything for you, it isn't as smart as you(by human standards) and it give you no meaning for life. No scientist and hardly anyone will know that you mean "universe" when you say God, so the only reason you would say that the universe is God is so that you could have something you called God. Which is stupid
tyler swedan why would a god be your servant? why a god can't simply be his own creation? if god is a universe , it explains how he is omnipresent ,omnipotent ,omniscent ecc... because he is all so this means he is not an external entity
+Anubis Master I never said God would be your servant. But if he was the universe, he isn't omnipotent because he follows the laws of physics, he isn't omniscient because it doesn't know anything, it can't answer a single question, if we said that "the universe is omniscient because it does everything" then that means you would know EVERYTHING about your psychology and biology. So, if God is the universe, he is omnipresent, "ascient", and "apotent". You don't say you have the power to die if you were hit by a bus, it isn't your choice, so you don't have that power, and the universe in the same way, doesn't have the power to follow the laws of physics, it just does. So it is useless.
tyler swedan are you ** ? IF HE IS THE UNIVERSE ,HE IS THE LAWS OF PHYSICS! also god never answers anything , he doesn't ressurect so your point is broken,prove me there ever was a case of god ressurrecting somebody? and do not say bible or any other non-historical sources
+Everett Logan Atheism(there is no reliable evidence for god), isn't related to veganism(killing animals is cruel). To answer your question though, I have never feasted on human children, because my human brain has this pesky tendency to cringe to even think about it, most likely due to biological reasons. So, sorry, I can't really solve your dilemma.
+billshackles Actually there's something called facon, never tried it though. You may say it's not the same, but I'm guessing you would say electric engines are substitutes for combustion engines, and those aren't really the same either.
before gods were created to explain everything,, now that we know a lot of stuff its just fear of death and desire for after life, create literally after life and there will be no need for god.
Ryan McBride yes but why do you need him? you fear eternal suffering right? that void,, thats why many people are religious,, they fear death,, other things partially explained already
+Xar Gas it's not the fear of death as much as the longing for heaven. see, you don't need God to live...obviously, but as Christians we believe you need god to go to heaven. it's more the fear of hell if anything, not death.
+John B I have better things to do with my time. Thank you for the offer though. Maybe you should take your own advice? www.salon.com/2014/05/31/11_kinds_of_bible_verses_christians_love_to_ignore_partner/
+John B I literally have no clue what that last comment meant. Just read the link if you are open-minded enough to see the flaws in your omnibenevolent god. If not, I don't really care to be honest. Just leave me alone.
+dandanswang Some people want to claim they see the truth plainly in front of them but don't want to read. What ever happened to humility and having an open mind?
John B have you learned about all the religions and gods before you stated "what other god has an entire bible that survived the test of time. And actually probably many "bibles". Or books. You just don't know about it. And the ones that do might have never heard about your god and says exactly the same as you do when confronted by atheist
Atheism is actually a religion. What? It is. I pity those who say otherwise. To begin with, atheism is the belief that God does not exists. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim, and atheists have yet to fulfill this. Granted that the universe and everything in it is unimaginably vast and complex, and that we have yet to even explore a tiny fraction of the universe, it is hubris to believe that no God exists. This is akin to a child bully harassing other children because he believes they are inferior - it is downright arrogant and wrong. Is it possible to disprove God? No; this is belief without evidence. I repeat: belief without evidence. Seems familiar? Christopher Hitchens argued that, "What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." Ironically, his assertion that God does not exist has no foundation to support. Furthermore, I would like to mention that religion is defined as: a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance. You can find the exact same definition by doing a swift Google search. Atheists all believe in one thing: there is no god. They will go out of their way to strengthen and/or manifest their beliefs - through videos, books, podcasts, internet, etc. They pursue to deny and reject the existence of God -> their actions reflect on how important they feel their beliefs are in their lives. Hence, atheism can be defined as a religion; it is composed of a belief without evidence, and they religiously explore/strengthen/manifest their beliefs in whatever way possible. :-)
+lesROKnoobz It's very sad how some people are dependent on religion. That's why I bite my tongue sometimes too. God is the answer they've chosen as to why their lives are shitty *now*, but there is hope for the future. Since the hope that God will save them is tied to their struggle, revealing that there is no God is akin to destroying all hope, and making their lives meaningless. In the most depressing cases, people look forward to the afterlife because that's the only happy ending they can imagine.
You can still help them in other ways. If they think prayer and church are the only things that can help, you can show them that they can still take control of their lives *without* waiting for things to magically get better. That they can still make a first step, or continue where they left off on achieving their goals *before* they started using religion as a crutch. And in the case of clinical depression, to get help with a professional who can help them sort through what went wrong, so they can move forward once again. You may or may not have tried these things already, but if they didn't seem to work before, there is still hope. While there may not be a grand plan for anyone in the greater scheme of things, all that means is we are the makers of our own destiny.
***** "Reasonable Faith Forums" I don't go on forums who's titles are oxymorons. Im willing to have the debate here, but it's annoying having to constantly respond to comments after 8 hours... whatever... Prove that god exists. Without evidence, your stance is COMPLETELY unjustified. You can't just blame evrey little action on god, because that's not an answer. Ironically it makes the meaning of the word "god" useless. It's lioke saying (times 1) at the end of every mathematical context/answer, it's irrelevant. Why do you want to believe that god exists? What with all the tragedies that take place on earth, the constant murder, starvation, death of curable diseases, poverty, war, natural disasters, the suffering of innocent animals, or just anguish in it's entirety, In what place do we establish the principle of a God in our society? and expanding on that, In what senseless and indifferent way can anyone assert that such a being would be benevolent? Whether or not you believe in god, the fact remains, suffering exists, innocent children will still die. Do you Accept evolution? Why are you a christian? What denomination are you in? Don't you think it's strange how such an important and dire message from the "lawd oh maity" could be so easily misinterpreted and distorted among thousands of denominations within hundreds of religions? what makes your religion right? If I spoke with an islam, they'd tell me that YOUR people were deceived, and that Allah or whatever is the one true god. And when questioned why/how, they too, will point to their own holy texts. Faith isn't fact. And Fact is NOT a democracy. So when you look at the suffering of humanity, of innocent children and animals, of the appalling infliction of pain among ourselves, how can you say that there's a loving god? Or even a god that intervened with us in general? Religion has done nothing but continue to abstain from individual thought. Science provides explanations for phenomena once attributed to GOD. God is nothing but an excuse, and answer used by those who are afraid of the world they find themselves in, those who are both unwilling to search for proper conclusions and unwilling to accept them.
***** " it appears as though you've confined your responses to that of verificationism, to which I'd add I have no intentions of embarking in personally" Then don't go off preaching your religon or saying that Chirstianity is right, or god exists or whatever. You have the Audacity to assert a claim and concede to having no evidence? Fine then, remain in you're ignorance, but don't try and persuade others to join you. "And while I can appreciate your determination to investigate God's existence for yourself" Im a skeptic. I'm not saying that a god doesn't exist. Im saying that YOUR god, the christian god, is a load of Bullsh*t. The deist god cannot be proven nor disproven, but it's supposed existence is irrelevant. Am I a deist? No, however I accept Deism as a possible explanation as much as I accept the flying potato is real. Without evidence, how can I claim to know the existence of such an entity?
"Why would mere geography affect an omnipresent god?" I haven't felt this feeling in my heart since I first started watching your channel- The feeling that god truly does just make no sense.
@@carealoo744 I think we could do better by first asking why geography should pose a challenge to an omnipresent being to begin with. As it seems rather odd that a reference point prove to be a limitation in such case, or in contrast with the capacity for said being to carry-out a particular actions within given parameters. Which seems to be more of a human limitation than a legitimate contention. Having said that, I would also question why so many seem willing to take the author to his word, as it would seem that the majority of those claiming to have benefited from the presentation, do so without validating the arguments, or that these appear largely invalid with respect to the texts from which the information was taken.
We will not survive as a species unless we evolve our way of thinking. And we cannot evolve our way of thinking as long as we cling to religion. The universe was not created just for us, and there isn't a god with a divine plan for each and every one of us. We are "special" only to ourselves. The universe, as Carl Sagan said, regards us only with indifference. If we cannot accept that, and continue to insist that we are designed and made in the image of and by the gods, then we are doomed to cataclysmic self-destruction.
In order to avoid any possibility of a "straw man" claim, I present the words of the bible itself: Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” Practically speaking, stuff like this reflects far more the sentiments of men that it does any omnipotent god. It is plain that the words of the bible were made by men with very little understanding of the universe around them, and not by any gods who created it. But as Mark Twain once supposedly said, "It is far easier to fool a man than it to convince them they have been fooled." Regards
No, I don't want to have a biblical discussion. When I was a child, I thought like a child and acted like a child. Now that I am a man, I have put childish things away. You should, too.
John, respectfully, I'm not so certain that you even understand what a straw man argument is. It is as if you have heard the term without understanding it. I asserted that men "continue to insist that we are designed and made in the image of and by the gods". You called that a straw man argument. Indeed, it would be a straw man argument if -- and only if -- the bible does not make that assertion itself. And so I shared text verbatim from Genesis in which "god" says: “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness". Are the two assertions different? No. You then wanted to have a "biblical" discussion. What's the point of a "biblical" discussion? Were you thinking about "sharing the good news" with me? Teaching me about "god's love"? Were you going to "reveal his blessings"? No thanks. I'm not biblically ignorant. Like many atheists, I was raised a theist, and was thoroughly educated in it, and spent years in church leadership. Today, I am both scientifically and biblically literate, so -- with no offense intended -- I doubt that you're going to teach me anything about the bible that will suddenly offer me the epiphany that what I once believed and then came to conclude was a lie was the truth after all. If you wish to think of me as a "lost soul" who will tragically spend all of eternity burning in the bowels of hell because I applied sound reason and logic to the argument of an all-powerful yet invisible god and found it to be utterly unconvincing, you are welcome. If I turn out to be wrong, I'll give god an earful of how incompetent a creator and administrator he is before accepting my fate.
"I'd point out that the Bible contains instances of God providing details that are relevant to the universe and what lay beyond the body of knowledge attributed to humans of that time period." That's quite a claim. Can you provide some of these actual instances, please?
John, without chapter and verse references, I'm left without anything to see for myself. Also, I've noticed plenty of rather liberal interpretations of the bible (much like the "prophecies" of Michel de Nostrodamus, warranting a more critical personal examination. Do you mind sending the 2 or 3 specific passages (or just chapter/verse) which you believe might be most convincing. I've got more than a dozen different bibles that will provide interesting cross-reference on the subject, too. Thanks
This is one of the most poetic videos I've ever seen and was probably the boiling point for me to stop believing. I had no outside atheist influence and grew up a missionary child that only ever knew Christianity. It was one day that I was on youtube that I was recommended a single one of your videos, then I was interested in more. Your videos almost exclusively converted me while in the midst of nothing but Christian influence.
This is actually very inspiring story-wise. I imagine a story about a collection of beings who, at a certain age, are given the materials to make a world in which to place primitive life for the sake of gathering a resource (happiness or some biz), and one day, one of these beings rebels and somehow destroys the others, giving his creation far more power than is allowed, and renaming himself a word that, in his language, means "lone ruler"-Yahweh. That said, I'm an atheist, so don't take this like I'm a theist.
If you're a Christian and you're in doubt, let yourself doubt. If god is good then there's no harm in thoughts and questions. With that said, if you're doubting, consider if things make more sense if we assume that God is nothing like what we've been taught.
Sounds like you're entertaining the thought that there might be a Creator... I'll admit that all religions are nonsense. .. Are you agnostic?.. Personally I'm agnostic, because nobody can answer the question, about God's existence. Thoughts?
***** I think we can't answer the question about a god's existence, but we can answer the question about specific gods such as the god of christianity, islam, or some of the gods of hinduism. You can do it by assessing whether the combined characteristics of say, the Christian or Muslim god, is even possible. The characteristics of this type of god is logically impossible so concerning gods like this, it is very easy to rule out their existence. As for a god which no one knows or claims to know anything about, then maybe.
The argument of why god would only show himself to illiterate people in desert areas of the middle east has always been one of the funniest and most devastating.
Actually it make perfect sense based on the details provided in the narratives - for example; The first humans labeled 'in GOD's image'; [one man, one women], and who were themselves in a personal relationship with GOD show that GOD revealed Himself to His very first human children. That said, the text shows that being in GOD's image, consisted of a refinement process, in-that humans were products of development(the earth), of which all living things were; plants, animals etc. Following this, the narrative then goes-on to recount the fall of mankind due to willful sin, and the corruption of their compatibility with GOD, this in-turn, resulting in their expulsion from the garden and the tree of life, which was used to symbolize eternal life with GOD. Following this, this first human pair, would bare sufficient children to achieve self-sustaining procreation, whereas the subsequent nations that followed, would not all recognize or walk with the one true GOD, but rather, where some turned to false gods, thus leading to divisions, wickedness and conflict. Therefore and with that being said, the notion that GOD would only reveal Himself to specific persons following the fall makes perfect sense, as there were those with no desires to walk with GOD, and in-favor of alternative moral law givers(or gods). And moreso, where it is by compatible hosts that those seeking to walk with GOD were drawn to Him, and that the the prophecy of salvation was carried out - which is interesting if you think about it, as that is the point of the Bible narrative. In addition to this, it's also worth noting that there were various persons throughout Bible history who found favor in GOD's eyes, and who entered into personal relationships with Him. Some tribal, others independent, though more notably, always based on compatibility with regard to GOD's teachings and commandments. Whatever the case, the notion that GOD would have limited His interactions and revelations to a specific people makes perfect sense, as it was by means of such people that we find GOD's will was accomplished - which is precisely the type of behavior we'd expect from an all-knowing entity whose will was accomplished through Creation itself. [COMMON RESPONSES;] It's all GOD's fault He should have known better Humans were designed to fail There is no GOD anyways And so-on and so-forth... :)
For people who are arguing with John B., don't bother, he's never going to change his mind. In fact, he'll basically dance around your original claim and bullshit his way through using fancy words and long paragraphs on one detail of the argument.
SmalltimR Why are you scrolling through a TH-cam video comment section in the first place trying to "PROVE" your points anyways? Or maybe your trying to get into arguments and debates? Even then when in a debate you must keep and open mind and allow your religion to be held to the same scrutiny as anything else would be. Aren't you making a conscious decision to even be here on the internet and to be in this comment section anyways? Also using Bible qoutes is a bullshit way of debating.
Uto Resa 519, I'm not sure I agree. the person you are debating with will never admit his flaws in reasoning but someone else reading the comments might see how ridiculous he is. it often looks like a battered wife making excuses for her abusive husband.
Even as an atheist, I find these videos to be very interesting and thought-provoking. They are even just entertaining as narratives, aside from the serious issues they raise. A very well-earned sub.
***** Well for me it opened up a new perspective. Since I already knew souls and reincarnation exists, then it means god exists and if he does; there are probably countless planets out there bursting with life just like ours :)
The work you do is more beautiful than words can describe. You open eyes, then minds, then "hearts". This series makes me cry for humanity because I love and have hope for them. I'm also embarrassed and ashamed by them. We're not ready yet. One day......
That could work for Muslims, though I don't see how this could prove useful for Bible students however. Likewise, why conclude that faith in one thing without validation justify putting faith in another under the same conditions? For example, why assume that the information in this video be any more reliable than some other source? Needless to say, I've always found such public appeals to be curious, in that those seeking the approval of others do so at the cost of their credibility - such as, the ridiculous nature of a reality encompassing an eternity past and all without the existence of a supreme intelligence... Whatever the case, if there's one thing we can be sure of, it's that self-deluding beings cannot be trusted for anything... as we seem incapable of objective reasoning no matter how hard we try.
Right! Totally---But just read the b-i-b-l-e that's the book for me for now; This should suffice for a good comedy (or horror); It can go both ways! LMAO
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DarkMatter, I've just found your videos and totally understand and appreciate what you're doing! Awesome stuff! Thank you so very much for what you do, brother. 👍💯
DarkMatter, I went from hating your videos to loving them. As a Christian I was ignorant but I always knew that the things God did in the bible were, kind of wrong but I was too afraid of the thought of going to hell so I just kept my mouth shut and continued to blindly follow the religion. I finally broke free from the cult about a month ago and I am way happier now knowing that I am free!
Welcome back to reality!
I'm predicting in a hundred thousand years, religion will be non existent. I'm just pissed off that I won't be there to witness it. 😪
Congrats! I broke free almost a year ago and my story is very similar to yours!
Come on to the firepit! There's mead, beef, women and stories arround the fire!
Please enjoy your stay
That must have mean tough on you man, good job man. That takes strength to do what you've done!
This one was _tons_ of work, so if you liked it, sharing is appreciated. Also, reply to this comment if you feel like telling me if you prefer more of my comedy or more of my serious stuff, like this video. I'm still going to do both, but your responses may have some bearing on that ratio.
do you love God or the devil
comedy is better in my opinion!!
BOTH
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+DarkMatter2525 AHHHH HELLO ITS ME
Keep up what you think it's what worked in the first place
as a young athiest, these videos give me so much comfort. parental and authority figures that threaten me and tell me my life is going to be meaningless and miserable if I don't believe in something. when I watch your videos I feel more confident going my own way. thanks for making these videos. it gave me more hope than religion ever did.
+JA DE Debate the shit out of your family.
+JA DE debating is slowly proving itself to be ineffective. we need something more dialectical. i would suggest intervention through the socratic method. evidence is proving itself to not be effective on certain types of people, the method will allow you to give your family and friends the means to come to logical conclusions on, which is the way all humans actually work. Congrats on your apostasy.
+JA DE
This video strongly resonates with what was going through my mind when I left.
"This universe is too big for your god"
+JA DE I've never been in your position, and it's hard to imagine the frustration it'd bring. Despite what demagogues from various factions love to say, the comments sections on these sorts of videos (and the videos themselves) are good places to find interesting discussion and witty company.
While to me this sort of video is just a chance to see a well-polished argument stated cleverly, it doesn't mean much to be at this point. It's a bit heart-warming to know it helps people out there.
+JA DE I'm in the same situation!
I was brought up a christian and a lot of people use this excuse as a reason for faith. I have watched many of your videos and now I'm an Athiest. Thank you for clearing my mind.
***** I dont call myself a christian I was brought up with the title. Like a lot of christians I attended church and helped out during events for charity.
Christianity is just a byproduct of our higher consciousness - just as most religions are. Because we can visualise our own deaths we would like to beleive there is something waiting for us beyond the grave. It has just as much weighting as father christmas. Im glad I have gained lucidity because living under a lie for your life is pathetic. I hope you gain the same clarity as I have, John, then you will see the religion for what it is.
+John B Very eloquently put, I would expect a response like that from a christian. I don't dispute the fact that Jesus walked the earth. I only dispute the associated statements from the bible. Why is the bible "open to interpretation" surely the word of god would be unambiguous? I find that one's belief of god is a support for their fear of death which seems to be a problem with intelligent organisms such as ourselves.
Sandor Clegane How long where u raised believeing in God
+Joe Hernandez 16 years
The concept that SOMETHING can be created out of NOTHING defies the first law of thermodynamics, the law of conservation of energy. If I tell you to make me a hamburger out of thin air, can you do it? Same concept applies to the beginning of the universe. It is absolutely impossible for an atom or a material to pop out of nowhere.
Second off, the scientific method is consists of systematic OBSERVATION, measurement, experiment, and forming a hypothesis. Darwin never observed a change of KIND of species, neither has anyone else had. To our observation so far, MICRO-evolution exists and I agree with that. MACROevolution involving a different change of kind of species is bogus and has never been proven. How is that even remotely scientific?
Thirdly, IF we really are just a random collection of chemicals formed by mathematically impossible chance over billions of years, HOW can we trust our own reasoning processes and the thoughts that we think? How can we trust our five senses? HOW are we all on the same level of conscience? Impossible! Everyone would have a different conscience and different senses if we came from nothing but particles and atoms. That prompts the question, what makes human beings so special compared to other forms of life? Why are we the ones on the highest level of consciousness? If there is no God and it followed the theoretical law of evolution of atoms, this world would be COMPLETE MADNESS. There would be no order! There would be no sense of morality! We would all have no meaning and have no sense or objective of finding meaning.
The universe we live in could have taken many different forms and scientists have approached a consensus that there are dozens of fundamental features of our universe that had to be precisely the way they are for life to be possible. Even if the big bang is possible, Roger Penrose, a mathematical physicist, explains that the explosive force of the big bang had to be less than one part in 10^10^123 in what it was in order for the overall precision of life.
Stuff like logic and love exists, yet it is not made of matter. If this universe is strictly material as it evolved from nothing but a set of atoms, how can logic and love exist? It is NOT made out of matter. The proof that God exists is that without Him, you couldn’t prove anything!
Emotions, feelings, love, hatred, envy, logic, and rationality must be spiritual forces. Now that begs the question, where is the SOUL going to go after death?
Orderly, mathematical laws of nature that describe the consistent clockwork operation of the universe are exactly what we would expect given that Christ upholds all things by the Word of His power (Hebrews 1:3). If the universe were really the chance product of a big bang, then why would it obey laws? Where did the mathematical laws come from?
If you are just a random assemblage of atoms and chemicals that evolved over time, how does life keep its form? How can you explain the regularity of the universe? This is another thing that we take for granted without realizing how utterly remarkable it is. We just assume that when we wake up tomorrow, all of our organs are going to carry on in the regular stable way that it always has. Think about all of the predictions that you need to come true even in just the next 5 minutes in order to live an orderly and coherent life. We just assume that the objects in our vicinity are going to remain more or less where they are. That gravity is going to continue to do its thing, that atoms and molecules will continue interacting the way they always have, the color of things is going to remain constant, the Earth will remain completely constant. Why do we assume that the universe is going to continue to operate with regularity? Now you might answer, “well it always has in the past.” Well that’s not an answer that’s just the question. Why has it always done so in the past and why do we continue to expect it to do so in the future? If I ask you to reach into a bag full of thousands of M&Ms but say there was only one red M&M in the bag and pull it out with your eyes closed you would not give yourself good odds at doing that. The same is true when we consider the regularity of the universe. There are all sorts of crazy things that physics can do tomorrow (an infinite number) but there is only way that it can the stay the same, second after second, day after day, and year after year. Every second, we are reaching into that bag blindfolded and everytime over and over and over we are pulling out that one red M&M. We are just taking for granted that the universe would continue to operate with regularity. As Einstein put it, “the most incomprehensible thing about the universe, is that it is comprehensible.” Now, if God exists, then we would have an explanation for the regularity of the universe because the universe is regulated by someone who CARES for us deeply and therefore designed the universe so that we could live orderly and coherent lives that we can find meaning in.
You have to agree with the fact that worship if a part of human nature. Whether it is God, the state, or ourselves,you are always worshiping SOMETHING to your appeal. Truth is, we were made to worship our creator, but many people go walking their own ways.
Atheists will come at us with logical, scientific, and moral objections to the existence of God. But who owns logic? Who owns science? Who owns morality? God does. In Romans 11:36, it states, "From God, through God, and to God are all things." When you are trying to refute the existence of God, you are trying doing so with stolen goods from God.
Atheists reject God because they think that they understand more than God. They think they understand how he works when in reality, God is omnipotent and omniscience. Truth is, if I can fit the infinite God in my three-pound brain, he would not be worth worshiping.
The first ten words of the Bible states the creation logically. In order for our universe to function, you need time, matter, and space to come to existence at the same instant. If there were no matter or space, where would you put it? If there were matter and space but no time, when would you put it? You cannot have time, space, or matter independently. Genesis 1:1 answers that in ten words. "In the beginning (that’s time), God created the Heavens (that’s space) and the Earth (that’s matter)." A trinity of trinities has been created instantaneously. Time is past present future, space has length, width, height, and matter has solid, liquid, and gas. The God who created them must be outside of them. If he is limited by time, he is not God. He is above it, beyond it, in it, through it, and he’s unaffected by it.
Romans 1:19-20 makes this clear: “because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them . . . so that they are without excuse.”
Those who worship the creation over the creator, let me tell you, your worship would not benefit yourselves in the long run.
Jesus states in Matthew 24:35, “Heaven and Earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.”
This. THIS is the video that led me to question everything, and eventually drop the faith. If there was a single video, it was this.
I sobbed hard that day, crying tears of sadness and meaninglessness for hours on end. I thought I was done for.
To this day, I have never told my parents about my faithlessness, and I remain in the closet. But for myself, I am free.
@@mako9579 Back when I saw this for the first time, I emailed it to my pastor in a panic. I remarked that I had no explanation for the claims & counterpoints therein. He referred me to a scientifically minded friend who was an expert in apologetics. For the next year, I watched many apologetics videos and balanced them with atheists rebuttals, and rebuttals of those. I spend a long time listening to both sides, getting a balanced perspective, and taking time. Mind you, at the time I was a young earth creationist and attended a Christian college. I saw this shattering video at the end of my freshman year. The summer following I started to turn Deist: I believed that a God exists, but I couldn't find adequate reason to believe it was the Judaic God who sent Jesus down to sacrifice himself. The primacy of Earth and Israel in a boundless universe made little sense to me.
Sophomore year it hit me harder. I was back at Christian college, forced to go to "chapel" hosted by the school 3 times a week, an hour each. Nothing is more painful than watching your friends worship passionately and seem to have spiritual experiences when you can't feel anything. And trust me, I've tried. But I always felt like I was faking it. None of this felt genuine. Many of the sermons were generic, insipid "love your neighbor" platitudes, and after a while you've heard 'em all. I spent my time in chapel practicing vocabulary or sketching, or I'd put in an earbud and listen to atheist youtube channels and such. You'd be wrong if you thought I didn't spiral. You'd feel insane, too, if everyone except you believed, if it was taboo for you to talk openly about it, or to find anyone to open up to, or to even find anyone to date. Since I didn't date in high school, and my unbelief barred me from college girls, I graduated college without ever having a girlfriend.
My once solid belief in young earth creationism also crumbled gloriously. I had zero excuse for the starlight problem. I once brought this up to my father. "I have doubts, you know? Like how could the universe be 6,000 years old if it takes millions if not billions of years for starlight from distant galaxies to reach Earth?" You know what he said? "Don't let one thing sway you from the faith" and worse he said "I'm afraid I'm gonna lose my son." I questioned creationism and did not find evolution wanting. I am happy to believe this wondrous truth.
I can continue, if you reply.
Having read your comments, I would love to talk with you on these matters - any chance we could connect?
@@SmalltimR Sure. What would you like to ask about?
@@johnbee1069 No problem Small Tim R John Bee, if that even is your real name?
@@johnbee1069 Discord would be my preference, I am Uploft#7809. @Xavier C you can join in too :)
A thought provoking video. This one really had me pondering things and I've been a Christian for 25 years.
That's amazing that you question your beliefs, but I have no idea how you didn't see its flaws sooner
+Shawn James If a thing is true, then the most closely you examine it, the more rigorously you scrutinize it, the more apparent the truth of it will become. The inverse holds as well: If a thing is not true, careful examination will make the untruth of it more apparent.
Therefore, if you value truth over belief, close scrutiny is a virtue. If you value belief over truth, any questioning is an offense.
So if you love truth, Shawn, ponder away.
+Shawn James I was Christian for years as well. I started seeing the truth after really examining what the Bible says. The more I read it and went to to church the more I began to realize that to me it seemed crazy. It is liberating to break away from what you have been told since a child and to think on your own. I need to get me some atheist friends. I love having these types of conversations. I live in the South so it is hard.
+Shawn James Thanks for being honest ~ with yourself I gave up the faith at 14 just from reading the bible I was to distraught with what some of it had to say to think it was the book of a "moral" god
+Shawn James you write books to help people?
Being raised from a deeply Catholic background, when I first came across your videos, I was kinda angry tbh. But I realized that there were so many contradictions in the Bible and many hypocrits within the Christian/Catholic community. I grew to love TH-cam channels like yours and became agnostic. Keep up the great work!
I'm neither saying the bible is wrong or right based on Catholicism. Believe whatever you want to believe, I'm not going to stop you, but I don't think you presented a balanced argument if you make the claim that this video is "made-up entirely of false premises and logical fallacies" when it could also be "open to interpretation". Additionally, if it is "open to interpretation" then I could say that the bible is contradictory for my own interpretation of rational thought. But like I said, believe whatever you want to believe. I couldn't care any less.
I could say the same exact thing about the bible. False premises and logical fallacies are present within the bible. Are you trying to say that the bible is inherently logical and true? If so, your argument would be biased.
Like I said, I'm neither saying the bible is right or wrong, but since you made your claim about this particular video, I would like to see your evidence that would not be open to interpretation.
Just because I say that there are contradictions to my own understand, doesn't mean I think the bible is inherently wrong. Look, I don't care what you believe in, so there is no point have an argument whether the bible is right or wrong.
Number 1, you made the claim that the video presented "false premises and logical fallacies".
Number 2, you act as if my original comment is meant to be interpreted as fact. I made this comment reflecting on *personal* experience.
Number 3, I am in agreement with you that the bible may be "open to interpretation". In addition to my original comment reflecting on personal experience, I can make a claim that the bible contains contradictions. That would neither make the bible factually right or wrong to *my own understanding*.
You may not agree with my "reasoning", which okay, but you can't claim that I'm in the wrong for having an opinion.
Losing one's belief in religion is his most valuable gain.
I was a very devout Christian at one point. My free time was saturated with Bible-studying, praying long prayers, and going to church. It was definitely not an easy transition, especially given how much I had worked up in several Christian groups. But today, I am happier than ever. Rather than just trusting that everything will be "handled by God," I feel far more dominant in my everyday decisions. I can think truthfully about things without feeling like God is observing my thoughts, not fear hell fire because of a mere sin, and can actually use my free time to my advantage. While I support everyone's right to believe in whatever they want, I feel slightly guilty to; they gimp themselves of the beauty of reality.
JohnBee ok your a troll and you know it. A devoted one at best... And that says A LOT. I admire that.
sparex 42 and you are playing the devils advocate - nice
mogbaba-i still found a way to be spiritual though, pantheism.
I’m an Arminian at the moment and other than my weird obsession the spiritual realm (which I only study for a few minutes-hours a day) I can do anything a non religious person does. I listen to secular music, read secular books and I can watch scientific documentaries without freaking out. Sooo
Every human being, everywhere, needs to see this video
Not everyone ;)
For someone this video is actually obvious.
But not everyone will understand or listen cause this is a cartoon
I wish
Some will deny it either way in spite of how much rational sense it makes...
But will they believe it?
I had been questioning my atheism for a while now. I don't think there's much to question anymore.
JohnBee I mean he pretty much covered everything
JohnBee are you a moron? Athiests viewpoints and arguments are just as valid.
JohnBee I think you misunderstood him. I think he's saying he's a complete atheist now after seeing this.
What arguments in this video do you find "invalid"? I am genuinely curious.
The impossible Universe lecture from Dr. John Millis helped me with my gaps. It is on TH-cam.
This video actually makes me wish there was a God who was integral to the universe. A God who revealed himself to everyone equitably. A God who did not resort to blackmail or a rewards system to get people to love him, but a God who loved all people and allowed them to love him of there own volition. What an existence that would be.
+John B AS this video pointed out very well, A god is not integral to the universe, and has done a poor job of revealing himself. Yahweh also very much so resorts to blackmail and a rewards system. Non believers are supposedly tortured for an eternity and those that do believe supposedly recieve eternal happiness. The bible promotes slavery and intolerance, so I don't care if it also says that god loves all, because an all loving god could not possibly promote slavery and intolerance. Followers also do not love him of their own volition. They are demanded to love him or suffer consequences.
+John B you have the burden of proof, you are making the statement he exists, prove it, share your wonderful interaction with the world.
***** your series of comments throughout the comment section imply it
***** Nah, the god of the Bible is a whiny, bi-polar, insecure, desperate, bitchy, stubborn, malicious, murderous, torturous, unforgiving, unmerciful, self-centered individual. I was born and raised a Christian fam, but I always questioned why God would do certain things and then researched until I realize the Christian god was a clusterfuck concept that had insufficient evidence. I'd rather there be no god than him tbh.
***** Actually, I am older. But how you perceive my age is of no concern to me. I took on a persona of childishness to match that of the subject matter, a childish belief system. I have painstakingly done my research, and your response informs me that you have not. There is no return to a place of self-deception and willful denial of the truth once you have seen it for what it is. If your God is truly there, I am open to him. I seek the truth regardless of personal bias. However, I have not encountered him yet. If he ever wishes to introduce himself, I will be enthused to speak with him :)
Yep. The Lord of all creation chose to confine himself to the middle east. If it weren't for that area of land, the rest of the world might be at peace.
The notion of peace in humanity is delusional. And no amount of finger pointing is ever going to change that.
Hello JohnBee, you are one of the most intelligent theist? I've ever found. As your point about the necessity of a God in humans is the best point to ever make in my opinion.
Also, why do you reply to almost every comment lol.
Hi Victor, thanks for the compliment. You'd be correct in saying that I'm a theist. Though perhaps not in the classic sense from a Christian perspective. As for replying to almost every comment, I really can't say. Though I really enjoy the statements and discussions that come from this particular video - as I think it invokes some very significant questions on the topic of the existence of God and the many arguments that go along with it.
JohnBee Yeah, I also enjoyed reading the arguments as well.
I just wish more theist were more like you. Also there was a thread were you stated that Darkmatter created his own version of God and basically debunked his own arguments. I think Darkmatter only wanted to refute the famous talking points made by theist that do not have a profound concept on God. I don't believe he intended to debunk the actual teachings of the bible. Which I guess you could say he's attacking low hanging fruits but his intentions were to convince average people, which he succeeded.
I think you're right on the video and the Bible - I began to suspect this was most likely the case, after watching several other video's from the same author.
With that said, the most common reason for bringing-up the matter of credibility to the source, relate to comments made toward the Christian faith. Such as; "this video should be seen by Christians, Bible classes, etc" Which leads me to add that the video wouldn't likely relate to the Bible as you yourself appear to be saying. Which is not necessarily a bad thing if you think about it, as I've come to the conclusion that video's such as these can prove to be an excellent sources of reflection in terms of challenging one's own faith and understanding toward matters.
PS. I find the discussions pertinent to none-believers to be far more beneficial than with other believers. Though it helps if one can adhere to the fact that indifference is not only acceptable but very much a part of the arrangement. There are far too many people who simply cannot accept indifference from either side it seems.
I have no words. This is hands down one of the best videos ever created on the internet.
The presentation, the writing, the music, animation, the production,the voice-over....this is an absolute masterpiece,and definitely the best video you've done so far.
AMAZING work Darkmatter.
+Orikon25 Masterpiece is definitely the right word. A beautiful video with great discourse.
+Orikon25 Total agreement! It is arguably his best work to date and among the finest and most thoughtful pieces of commentary on atheism and the failure of the god model ever created, on TH-cam or anywhere else.
+Orikon25 Nah, it's great, but is not the best, remember This Video Is A Universe?
Alexander Davies Castle I do remember it, and I think this is better. It is more expository and explanatory; it makes a better and more thorough case for the absurdity of the god-concept, and does so brilliantly.
Yeah, that's just my opinion ... but in the overall arc of DM's work, I think it's valid.
+Orikon25
Overcrediting much?
I was chatting with a biblical scholar of some such variety last week, who actually posed the philosophical question to me: _Why does God appear to not exist to humans if he, in fact, does exist?_ And I answered that if it appears that something doesn't exist, then the most plausible truth to it is that it doesn't exist.
For whatever reason, he wouldn't accept that answer, and rambled for an hour or something about divine intention or some such rubbish.
Exactly
+CloudCuckooCountry Thats ridiculous. "If I can't see it, it doesn't exist" Its called Intelligent Creation fyi.
Ash Don Are you, a theist?
+Ash Don I like to call it stupid design. Every time I stumble across something I could have designed better, I curse the stupid designer who fucked it up this way.
TheReaverOfDarkness The world is not perfect of course and this has two reasons in the Bible-God only called the Earth GOOD,not perfect and later Jesus says that Satan is the ruler of the world
Absolutely marvelous.
+Sargon of Akkad hey sargon, its nice to come across you here ^_^
He's still the king, isn't he.. lol.
+Pippy The Magic Pencil Sharpening Toilet
I wrote a paper on the same subject in 7th grade for my religion class, but my views at the time were very much influenced by Assassin's Creed (Mainly "The Truth" segment of AC2). Luckly, our religion teacher was more of a philosopher and pointed out the fallacies in my paper. I guess I was lucky to have a teacher that was so anti-theistic as my "religion" teacher who really tought us to think and question everything rather than listening and believing. She was an amazing woman.
+Sargon of Akkad both you and darkmatter2525 were both ranked in the top 10 most controversial youtubers. so proud to be subbed to you both
+meaturama Want some pepper with that salt ?
"I love all who worship me, but if they don't they'll perish....
...But I still love you."
Very telling.
It would be far more impactful if those were actual words rather than made-up ones however
Not a Christian anymore thanks so much for freeing me from my shackles
***** Lol not every Christian has that priority
***** Plus that shits long af and ain't nobody got time for a 2000 page book about a fairy tale!
***** Well the only point that didn't make sense in this video was the one about real love, some Cristians don't even belive in the devil
***** Tell me what points in this video were "invalid"
Whoa what an essay. Let me analyze this.
Perhaps one of your best. Certainly awesome visuals and concept. Very powerful without being offensive or abusive. Just lays it out and says, "Does this make sense?"
+John B Can you explain to me why you don't agree with the arguments? I don't quite understand what you mean.
"The video is well made.
The arguments... no so much"
Define what you mean by... video... That could be interpreted as the argument itself as in you're literally saying,
"The argument is well made... but it's not"
Irregardless, Argumentum ad Lapidem...
This is art
***** "The art of logical fallacy"
Argumentum ad Lapidem...
Goldenar The god of the bible does everything that a man would do. Why wouldn't he portray him as a man?
This video should receive 7 billion views.
6 Billion, minus the 1 Billion Athiests and Buddhists.
+FocsBLAC Fat
Thinking we live in a 'clockwork universe' is a pretty sad belief.. The universe is dynamic, surprising, and unpredictable.
+Mattothee That is true, but it makes sense. The universe is able to run on its own without any divine intervention
+Mattothee clockwork in this case means it can run without any intervention. It means that reality isn't constantly falling apart and everything follows the same rules.
For example, if suddenly gravity stopped working, then it would not be a clockwork universe (unless of course gravity occurs in cycles, but we haven't seen that, so it likely doesn't).
A clockwork universe can be unexpected. It can change. However, it will not be unexpected if one knows the mechanics behind it. If humanity were to learn everything about the universe, we would be able to predict everything that goes on, from solar flares to galaxy collisions to gamma ray bursts.
I really stopped being a christian and opened my eyes because of you.....and for that I’m eternally grateful 🙏🏾
@@SmalltimR The entire video
Nothing is eternal
@@Dani_Dang The un-eternity of all matter is eternal in itself
I don't see how a Christian could possibly watch this and not seriously question his faith afterward. 👍🏼
I can't either, but you're underestimating the power of human stupidity.
Most religious people don't question their faith and don't really want to test it since they're happy living in their own version of reality.
+Jaz Winter Wow. You're on a new level of stupidity. Try watching Dark Matter's video's. It explains the foolish assumption that there might even be a hell to begin with. And even if there was a hell, I'd rather go there then with the likes of you.
+Jaz Winter Reading the bible as proof huh? Why not try to read multiple sources? Please try to broaden your world. Religion is indoctrinated by parents, school or other external factors. Religion as a whole is on a decline. People are no longer scared for a bully god, a fictional hell or heaven, or death in general. Religion has poisoned our society and only benefited the rich and corrupt. For too long have gays, women, pagans, free thinkers suffered under the tyranny of religion. Let us accelerate the enlightenment and free the world. Sapere aude.
+Larry Panozzo
In the *Dictionary of Faith,* there is no word called *question*
"God Is Not Above The Human Mind,For It Is The Human Mind That Came Up With God - Saiova Kuizan
I think you missed the point
It has?
It's kind of like when someone makes a fictional character. A person cannot create a character that is smarter than themself or has more knowledge than themself. Clearly the mind of the god that is depicted in the bible is not above that of the human mind as evidently shown by his actions. His solutions to problems there shouldn't even be there since he is omnipotent and can see the future (which doesn't even make sense for him since he is timeless) are far from perfect. He is falible just like humans.
The reason the god of the bible makes mistakes like having to solve problems to complete his grand plan showing his plan is not perfect otherwise there would be no problems could be - possibly that he was created by something that makes mistakes and is not perfect.
Jens Olesen
*"His solutions to problems there shouldn't even be there since he is omnipotent and can see the future "*
... and even this gem will go in one ear and out the other.
I will first clarify in which sense he makes mistakes. A being that is omnipotent which the christian god is according to the bible would have reality be exactly as it wanted it to be. It wouldn't be displeased with anything, nothing would be against what it wanted reality to be. Clearly the christian god is some times displeased according to the bible.
When Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge the christian god was displeased.
When the earth was corrupted and the christian god flodded it the earth was not as it wanted it to be.
The christian god punishes those who do not think he exists to the worst possible fate implying they do not act according to what it wants.
So reality is not always what the christian god wants it to be which is evident by it being displeased.
To a being that is perfect and omnipotent anything that doesn't perfectly go according to it's plan is a mistake. Yet everything would go according to it's plan because it is omnipotent.
That also begs the question if it actually makes sense that it is omnipotent when you look at how it acts in the bible. It's similar to saying that you're good following it by torturing and raping a todler. It doesn't make sense and it's not believable. According to the bible the christian god is holy good but that is not evident by the world we live in. Millions of people die each year by causes no other human has an effect on like earthquakes and tsunamies meaning the evil isn't justified by free will, only the christian god can be hold accountable for this evil.
Omnipotens itself is an asbolutely absurd concept that if applied to reality would create an infinite number of paradoxes and contradictions which would be possible because of omnipotens itself. A completely illogical and ridiculous concept. Clearly an idea and nothing that has a place in reality. That's the same reason why when the concept is applied to a character described in a book the story told makes no sense at all.
As a theist sir, I'm not a liar, I admit, you give me more doubts then anything else. You're very smart, take care
Heh, it only takes one crack in the wall And you'll be one of us. Thank you for your honesty.
+Michael Atwood
I like what you're saying, sir, but the smartest person I know once said: "Anyone who claims they're not a liar is a liar, as they just told a lie."
So... some humility, please.
+Michael Atwood :) now just read the Bible from page one forward. you'll see how the rest of us came to be in no time.
+Michael Atwood
fancy bumping into you here, I've seen your journey to Islam videos before.
I'll leave you to your thoughts wherever they take you, but I'll also offer that you don't give fear any epistemic credit.
Any belief system that has to threaten you to retain you should be suspect. Real truth stands on its own merits, not coercion.
Good luck out there
Everyone lies Michael, its just how frequent and how big the lies are.
I wonder if the dead bacteria on Mars went to heaven or hell
JohnBee Lmao
Was it good, or bad bacteria?
XD
Screw you..
@@johnbee1069 It doesn't matter as long as the bacteria is religious
Religion is holding the species back as a whole
+John B
At minimum, do you accept that it's possible to live a normal, happy life without religion at all?
*****
How do you know there is a god, which god it is, and what this god promised? It's not everyday someone in the youtube comments has knowledge about one of the biggest philosophical and scientific questions ever that the scientific community isn't aware of, unless you have already collected your Nobel prize, but I haven't heard of any new world changing discoveries the past few days, but apparently you have acquired this knowledge, and would be the most famous person in the world. so bring me up to speed!!
*****
Ok so you threw in a lot of broad assertions there, that it's concepts are true, historical validity, plausibility, etc.
But your Question "What evidence do we have that the God of the Christian Bible is who He claims to be?" Is fallacious, in that it's circular, since it's already has the premise in it that the Christian god exists. I'm asking what reason is there to think this being exists at all, and having a question that already assumes this being exists is loaded.
And you mention prophecies. Lets assume for a moment that all the 'prophecies' were true and 100% accurate. Please demonstrate that the cause is this god.
*****
Ok, your original question was loaded since it already had the premise that the deity exists. So enough of this "What evidence do we have that this god is who he claims to be?" or "What evidence do we have that this so called god is who he claims to be?". Actually address what I said, and please stop repeating the same extremely broad assertions.
And no, you can't know anything based on faith, since using faith as a standard gets you to contradictory conclusions.
Please address what I actually said. I said, lets assume for a moment these 'prophecies' were all accurate and true. And then I said, now demonstrate that the cause is this god.
And if you just reply with the same broad assertions like "There's evidence for this god", or just saying "faith", then we're done.
*****
I'm sorry you don't understand that it's not convincing to simply preach. All you're doing is making assertions and preaching. I wanted an actual discussion, not just listen to you repeatedly assume and preach that the christian god exists, so goodbye, thread muted.
I keep coming back to this one, year after year. It still gives me the shivers.
My experience is that it leaves me feeling bad for those who just don't know better
The same. I love it more every time I watch it.
@@SmalltimR everyone will come around sooner or later, let's not pity them 🙂
If there is anyone that managed to watch this video and remain a theist... I'd love to talk to you. Please reply to me if you do.
(seriously)
EDIT: in case you can't tell by the 478 replies to this comment: I've already the pleasure of having that conversation. You can try all you want, but I won't be replying anymore
+Henrique Cardoso Go for it
Ryan Johnson sweet! Thanks. Alright, Why do you believe in God?
Henrique Cardoso
Oh I thought that this would be topical to the video
+Just Poof Lmaoooo at least you're honest
Ryan Johnson Mhmm, no. Not necessarily. I never mention that it would be. Do you still wanna talk?
I personally love this video, but then, I am already an atheist. I considered sending it to some Christian friends but it occurred to me that it may be too deep for their cloistered minds that are continually walled off from reality by self-imposed ignorance. Before one can change one's mind, one must be willing to admit one was wrong. That is pretty hard for ego-centered individuals who worship an ego-centered mythical God. Nonetheless; thank you very much for creating this video.
Most anyone who's read the Bible would easily identify with the inconsistencies in the presentation. And so it's unlikely that this video would accomplish anything in that regard.
I know this comment is really old by this point but i cant help to add to this haha.
So a while ago i had this guy on my friends list on Facebook. He was (probably still is) really smart but he also was very, very christian and he LOVED to post stuff that essentially boiled down to "look i smart guy i believe god therefore it must be true". You could barley go 2 days without seeing something he wrote.
Anyway since he seemed like a pretty intelligent and sorta nice person (a religius guy that REALLY believes but you could stikk talk to) i wanted to hear his two cents on the arguments presented in this series so i hit him up on messenger and asked if i could hear his thoughts (i was mainly interested in what he had to say about this specific ep) and he agreed so i sent it to him.
Fast forward 15 or so minutes and he says that it mainly seems like some sort of propaganda almost. Like it was made by someone who already had their mind set on what they thought. It seemed he couldnt even get his head around the concept that god might not even really be god and he almost seemed offended lol.
Not sure where this was going but i felt like adding it haha
As an ex-Christian, I agree that this video may be too deep for them to understand if they are like the average Christian. If this was sent to me while I was still in the religion, I would have considered it as a "non credible source" because it's promoting Atheism. For the viewer to be able to watch objectively, they'd have to be open to other ideas, which many fundamentalists / extremist Christians (sometimes even the moderates) are not because they fear it will threaten their faith.
Michael Jaquish I am a Christian watching this but I actually really liked this series
Only thing I didn’t like was that time I thought Lucy and Darkmatter were gonna kiss but it turns out they were just walking different directions oof
Michael Jaquish by the way of you think all Christians are dumb
You’re basically saying the majority of the world is dumb
Masterpiece. Yeah, that's it!
+Canal do Slow man kkk You're here! I mean...I didn't expect this kkk
+Job Moura Kool Kids Klub?
If God had a plan, then that means it is already decided whether you go to heaven or hell, so that would mean believing in him or not believing in him is pointless.
Do you believe in free will? (As described in the bible)
I would like to recommend DarkMatter's video titled "The Real God: An Epiphany", John B. It sheds a lot of light on this subject.
+John B doesn't the bible also claim that god I in control if everything? why if god knows someone is going to hell would he let them be born in the first place.
Free will is a myth. If God know your every thought and action before you are even born, how can it be "free"?
Indeed. Why would a benevolent god create atheists? Just to send them to hell? Makes no sense.
This was an otherworldly experience. Words can’t even describe it. Thank you, sir.
Did somebody say, "unlimited power"?
*uNliMiTEd pOWeR!!!1!1!*
star wars...
I am the Senate!
Dew it
Emperor Palpatine?
*A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one*
MAAAAAAN.... ALL OF THESE VIDEOS ARE AWESOME SO PLAINLY WORDED AND EASY TO GRASP!!!!! Yet people will still not understand LOVE THIS CHANNEL
I'm not sure what you mean when you say accurate to the source ***** What sources?
***** Right... So I guess I'm asking what was it you thought was not accurate? I mean, I don't think the point of the video was to be accurate as far as numbers of stars, galaxies, grains of sand or what have you.. But more so to illustrate a point. If he created the heavens and earth, which would include all of those stars galaxies and other worlds, why was his direct interaction with people limited to only one small area of this planet during one blip in time. Leaving man to create so much conflict throughout history based off of hear say and perceptions from that one period of time in that small area. I think he is suggesting an all powerful, all knowing, ever present being could (and probably should) have done better. That's how I took it at least.
+Jermaine Asbury He's kinda just scattered through the comments saying he's against the arguments and points, claiming them to be wrong, illogical, and not make sense. I have yet to see a comment where he actually supports his claims. Just, "It's wrong"
John B is a perfect example of someone who can't think for himself. I always come back to the issue of FEAR being what prevents them from stepping OUTSIDE their belief system for one minute to question its validity. Religions have succeeded in brainwashing followers for milleniums. So so sad. Good brains gone to mush.
+John B when autism strikes
this video does such a good job of viscerally communicating the argument of "there are so many other stars, galaxies, in the giantic universe - why pick one planet, one people, one portion of one conteinent" argument.
***** correct, it is not a strictly syllogistical proof.
it merely undermines the plausibility of there being a god. it speaks to and addresses the probability. And that's relevant because that's the mode of thinking the pro-god camp uses.
This argument shows that the Christian god has just as much proof of existence as any other god made up by humans. It also goes to show that god sent millions of people to hell for disbelief, even though they never had a chance to interract with god or had any clue he even existed.
Deuteronomy 17, Revelation 21, John 12, and at the moment that's all I can remember. A simple google search should give me at least 10.
BTW you're wrong I read the bible and it does state that non believers go to hell.
So then I ask this: Where do the millions of people who have no idea god even exists go to when their day of judgement arrives? Heaven or hell?
What part the bible says these people will be resurrected? Their were only a few people ever to be resurrected according to the bible.
Not only that but these people who never had a chance to meet god or have any clue about the beliefs also would be pardoned according to what you said even if they had killed people in the name of another god such as those aztecs who sacrificed humans for their beliefs.
"Why would mere geography affect an omnipresent God's interaction with his creation? Geography should only affect a manmade God"
I first saw this video back in 2016, and have come back to it countless times since. I've thought about this quote so many times since. And the rest of this video's articulate display of the sheer size of the universe, and the subsequent objective, mathematical truth of our spatial and temporal insignificance, spearheaded my eventual shift into existential nihilism two years later. This video definitively made me an Ex Muslim and spearheaded my subsequent philosophical journey.
Thank you, DarkMatter2525. You are absolutely brilliant and admirably eloquent. When I feel comfortable enough to come out as Ex Muslim to my family someday, this geography question is the one that I plan on beginning the discussion with, before I drop the bomb (no pun intended, as an Ex Muslim) and announce my apostasy
I don't know much about the Muslim faith, though I'd ask if you've ever considered the Christian God?
ie, the Christian God(YHWH), is not limited to earth alone, but all things in existence known and unknown.
Similarly, YHWH's deliverance is not limited to a specific place or people, but the entire earth inhabited.
@@SmalltimR Islam and Christianity stem from the same religion, and this fundamental flaw exists within all three. In fact, I'm surprised to see that you (I assume) watched this video and still didn't see it. You can cite verses from the bible that support the claim that YHWH or Allah communicated with all of existence, but the truth is that from an academic evaluation, the only profound communication/impact he had was within a small sector of the Middle East (as brilliantly shown in this video). Regardless of whether or not the bible says that, you can provide absolutely no indication that this God communicated his message to the Americas, to Australia, to South America, so you absolutely cannot substantiate the claim that God wasn't limited by geography. If this was truly the case, then we would have seen evidences of these beliefs held throughout Native American Religions (at least to some scale), or aboriginal Native Australian religions. But we don't.
And lastly, I think the point of this video was to show two things. A) Provide perspective for how insignificant humanity is on a spacial and temporal perspective, and B) How a supposed creator capable of creating such an incomprehensibly massive universe did so with the only end purpose of the eventual evolution of humanity, and then proceeded onwards with a heavily flawed form of communication which does an abundantly poor job of proving this creator's existence.
@@u.a.3953
*RE:* this fundamental flaw exists within all three.
*A.* All three what, you only cited two religions from what I can see.
*RE:* I'm surprised to see that you (I assume) watched this video and still didn't see it.
*A.* Didn't see what exactly?
*RE:* from an academic evaluation, the only profound communication/impact he had was within a small sector of the Middle East (as brilliantly shown in this video).
*A.* I have no idea what it is you're talking about, but last I looked, YHWH was made known throughout the entire earth inhabited.
In addition to this, God sent His Son into the world to save the entire world - and to which I would add, this entire world been atoned-for by Jesus Christ; past, present and future
*RE:* Regardless of whether or not the bible says that, you can provide absolutely no indication that this God communicated his message to the Americas, to Australia, to South America, so you absolutely cannot substantiate the claim that God wasn't limited by geography.
*A.* Last I looked, Christianity was known to all of America's as well as Australia
*RE:* If this was truly the case, then we would have seen evidences of these beliefs held throughout Native American Religions (at least to some scale), or aboriginal Native Australian religions. But we don't.
*A.* Adhering to a belief is not evidence that the Bible is true however, as the Bible does not say that everyone would believe, but more accurately, that the salvation provided by God in Jesus was applicable to the entire world.
*RE:* And lastly, I think the point of this video was to show two things. A) Provide perspective for how insignificant humanity is on a spacial and temporal perspective
*A.* And how does the scale of humanity work to prove or disprove the existence of God exactly?
*RE:* B) How a supposed creator capable of creating such an incomprehensibly massive universe did so with the only end purpose of the eventual evolution of humanity, and then proceeded onward with a heavily flawed form of communication which does an abundantly poor job of proving this creator's existence.
*A.* From what Bible reference or citation do we conclude the end-purpose for the creation of the human species by God?
@@SmalltimR 1) Islam and Christianity stem from the same religion (Judaism), sorry if that wasn't clear, was basically trying to point out the Abrahamic religions.
2) The point was the limitation of geography, which you objected to for my next few sentences, but I'll address it all here. I think what you're trying to indicate is that YHWH is known all over the world today, but if that is the case, here's how I'd respond. Stating that the idea of YHWH has spread throughout the globe doesn't necessarily contrast the point that YHWH is limited by geography. The whole point of this video is to show that the extent of revelation for this God was in a relatively small area in the Middle East. Sure, you can make the case that today, YHWH is known over the world. But why didn't he reveal himself to the Native Americans or Australians? Can I not argue that the ideology of Christianity was beneficial in fitness in helping a certain group carry out conquest, and reproduce the idea throughout the World?
3) Even if the Bible says that salvation is applicable to the entire world, the limit extent of exposure to direct contact with YHWH for the majority of the world seems oddly limiting. Again, as quoted in the video, Jeffrey says "YHWH, why have you chosen to limit yourself in this way?" Even if the Bible states that this salvation is applicable to everyone, it doesn't make it any more sensible
4) The scale of humanity is important, because at least in the Qur'an (not entirely sure if this is in the Bible), but the idea is that Allah created the heavens and the earth, created Angels, and then humans who have free will. It follows then, that the perceived purpose for the existence of the Universe (which we thought was very small back then and thought we were at the center of) was for God to test if we can follow his path. But the sheer mathematical insignificance of earth, and let alone humanity, makes it hard to take the leap of faith to believe this.
And would you mind clarifying your last point? I don't think I understand what you mean. If God has followed what I think is a far more logical and convincing path of proving his existence, how would that change my ability to choose belief? I would be free to choose whether or not I believe, the only thing is it would be more convincing if there was some logical consistency here
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*RE:* (Judaism), sorry if that wasn't clear, was basically trying to point out the Abrahamic religions.
*A.* Thanks for explaining.
*RE:* The whole point of this video is to show that the extent of revelation for this God was in a relatively small area in the Middle East.
*A.* I'm not sure if all Abrahamic religions interpret creation the same way, though I'd point out that the Old Testament presents the creation of man along with God at the founding of the world - thus undermining the criticism that the revelation of God be subject to limitations.
In addition this and along these same lines - it's also worth noting that the entire concept of the fall of man was completely missing from the presentation, and that this in itself would have addressed many of the criticism raised in the video in question.
*RE:* But why didn't he reveal himself to the Native Americans or Australians?
*A.* I have no idea, though I don't see how this would challenge the thousands of years of interventions with mankind leading to the fulfillment of human salvation under God.
*RE:* Can I not argue that the ideology of Christianity was beneficial in fitness in helping a certain group carry out conquest, and reproduce the idea throughout the World?
*A.* The strange thing is about this, is that the early Christian foundation was not set on social advantages at all, but moreso, on the self-sacrificial behaviour of carrying out a greater work.
And while it is true that entities such as the Catholic Church profited from the adoption and development of the Christian Faith, it remains that these organisations would not prove loyal to the teachings of Jesus Christ, but as apostates of Christ, by going against His teachings and commandments.
Whereas true followers of Christ on the other hand, would not benefit in fitness or conquest, as this was in opposition to Christ's teachings and commandments(see).
*RE:* Even if the Bible says that salvation is applicable to the entire world, the limit extent of exposure to direct contact with YHWH for the majority of the world seems oddly limiting.
*A.* That is a fair criticism, though I'd add, that the Bible does not say that we need direct contact with YHWH in order to be saved in Jesus Christ ransom - as the wages of sin is death, and that the ransom sacrifice is applicable to all who are subject to death by resurrection.
Comparing with the message of the Kingdom, and of which we are commissioned to go forth and make disciples.
*RE:* Again, as quoted in the video, Jeffrey says "YHWH, why have you chosen to limit yourself in this way?" Even if the Bible states that this salvation is applicable to everyone, it doesn't make it any more sensible
*A.* I think the fair answer in this case would have been a refresher on the initial relationship with God at the founding of the world, followed by the fall and separation of mankind, along with the promise of salvation revealed to Abraham.
Having said that, there is the matter of the timing and delivery of salvation - and of which I am no sooner disposed in saying that the choice of delivery of salvation by all knowing entity such as YHWH, must therefore encompass every possible outcome in the best interest of humanity.
*RE:* It follows then, that the perceived purpose for the existence of the Universe (which we thought was very small back then and thought we were at the center of) was for God to test if we can follow his path. But the sheer mathematical insignificance of earth, and let alone humanity, makes it hard to take the leap of faith to believe this.
*A.* I must say that I'm not entirely sure how this poses a challenge to the concept of creation under God, though from a Christian standpoint, I would add that the sheer magnitude of the universe along with our innate desire for exploration, would serve as testimony to God's greatness.
As in; if humans were made in the image of God, baring divine qualities such as; love, justice, creativity, etc.
Then it would logically follow that humanity would likely(in time), reach a point where the entire universe would become a part of creation.
*RE:* And would you mind clarifying your last point? I don't think I understand what you mean.
*A.* What I meant to say is that the very criticism raised by the author undermines the foundation from which we are free to choose.
Which is a common thread in atheism, as atheists will often argue that a world under God would be better without free will, and that such an arrangement would resolve the issue of separation from God.
*RE:* If God has followed what I think is a far more logical and convincing path of proving his existence, how would that change my ability to choose belief?
*A.* The question I'd ask, is why we should believe that God's objective be that of proving His existence?
I mean, if we approach this in accordance with God's divine attributes on the table, then wouldn't it make more sense to conclude that the measures taken by God in this world be used to accommodate the choices made to humanity at the fall?
And to help explain this concept further, consider the following illustration;
If we conclude that an all knowing, timeless and unchanging being such as God created the heavens and the earth, would we not conclude that everything that we created be a part of the dynamic relationship between God and man?
And if so, then how would approach the choices made in the beginning?
Do we say God created Adam and Eve in a garden and that He took the opportunity to exile them outside the boundary of that garden?
Or do we say, that God "prepared" the earth to accommodate that which was to come?
Therefore, and if we are to approach the matter according to the text, then I'm thinking most everyone would agree that the decisions made by God could have only been made in view of what was to come - such as; the tree of knowledge, was placed in the garden with a purpose, just as the uncultivated wasteland had a purpose, along with the water in the heavens prior-to the flood, and so-on and so-forth, all of the way until now...
At which point, you and I, have the ability to choose freely whether we want to believe in God or not.
Which falls right in line with the words spoken to Eve by the voice of the stranger, who told her that she could decide for yourself what was good and bad (see).
*RE:* it would be more convincing if there was some logical consistency here...
*A.* Here again, and while I could not speak for the Qumran, it has been my observation that the Christian Bible is very consistent in terms of who and what God is, along with the current state of things in the world today.
This series deserves some sort of award. It is so well done.
When I believed in God, I always wondered why wouldn't he give me a sign that I would know, since he knows everything, and you explained that perfectly. Awesome videos.
If God knows everything and doesn't give you a sign, wouldn't that mean you are getting exactly what's needed?
With that said, there are some rather startling illustrations provided in the Bible insofar as faith and God are concerned. Such as God being in all things, and that the conditioning of oneself. Though I don't think there's ever been an illustration in-where someone could claim God didn't do what was warranted however.
Aaaa you yourself is the sign of god...the surrounding is the sign of a supreme being....this perfect earth and in this whole earth just we human having just intellect is not a coincidence...there must be someone who started all this.... creating of universe from nothing is impossible there must be someone who is supreme and majestic you will understand if you have Intellect.....if you read Qur'an you will get all of your answers perfect with no doubt and you will be satisfied...and the science in Qur'an will shock you.. you will question how can someone 1400 year ago can know all this information...Allah is supreme so don't judge the one who created all this with this tiny little mind...
@@exonn8779 If intellect need a creator, who created god's intellect? Why there is no beginning of God? If we have a mind so tiny, what is the meaning of even thinking about God if we can't judge his decisions? If we can't understand God, what is even the meaning of god's existence? And lastly Quran doesn't answer these questions I have read it myself.
@@RR_theproahole Religion is trash Spirituality is much better
I enjoyed the trippy vibe, relaxing music, and lovely planets.
Gods are like puppets and the person who holds the strings makes him do what he wants. That's the way all religions work.
Excellent video!
*****
Such as?
***** The following is my guess:
Before there were kings, the rulers of a tribe were probably religious leaders. Using the names f gods the religious leader would control his people. The gods don't want you to steal, the gods don't want you to screw my wife, the gods don't want you to kill your neighbor, the gods want you to kill the other people because they are different than us, etc.
The eating of a fruit in the Bible story sounds pretty ridiculous, but I guess it shows how intolerant that particular god is. One mistake and you get kicked out. It wants ABSOLUTE obedience and is not interested in the little people's opinions.
The flood story is bizarre. Angels coming to Earth and screwing Earth women and they give birth to giant kids. I'm not sure how the kids came out of their vaginas or why angels would want to have children with women and not men or do angels have sperm. Out of all the places to explore, they come to Earth for fucking.
But again, the story focuses on "do what I say or I kill you".
In other words, you have to obey the puppet master (the guy holding the strings is the religious leader).
Why would a god just sit around and do nothing and take action in the end?
The religious leader is also a guy who wants peace, who wants his people to treat each other with respect.
"As it goes-on to state that the very Kingdom of God will crush the world governments in the establishments of peace on earth. :"
==The idea is that that particular god is real and that the jews are in the right group and should not leave that religion.
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John B. I am getting the impression that you believe every word of the Bible is correct.
Which religion have you joined?
"Okay, let's looking at the claim and information another way. Can you name a single leader in the Bible that did not fall short of God?"
==Jesus.
"But instead, when we end-up with is a book that undermines those who wrote it cover to cover in every way conceivable."
==Such as?
"The ten commandments were from God rather than the people."
==Unfortunately, there is no way for me to verify that or for anyone else either.
I think there is no alternative to a godless world. Humans need to beleieve that they won't die and that there is a better life elsewhere, thus, every culture developed some form of a religion. Life was extremely hard, so I don't blame them. This is why there are thousands of religions. I think if there was a singular god, he should be able to deal with false religions in betters ways than to kill people and kids or have his jews kill people and kids.
More importantly, why does a god, who is spiritual, make stuff out of atoms?
The old bibles were written on what exactly? They were passed down orally until some guy wrote on goat skin or something.
I would imagine that an advanced alien being should be able to deliver his stories in a better format.
"However, I'd also add that this hardly meant absolute obedience as it dealt with a single aspect of the law under God and nothing else."
==So what you are saying is that the story is not about obedience?
"humans and angels"
==I'm not even sure what an angel is suppose to be. Humans think that they look like humans but have bird wings. What a weird thing.
I think primitive people believed that their heaven is above them and these angel things used wings to fly up and down.
"That said, you're mistaken in assuming the flood was based on; do as I say or I'll kill you at all, but rather where it came to be"
==What do you mean by "where it came to be".
"the time where God saw that human existence had come to end and where interventions were required so as to fulfill His will (deliverance and restoration of everlasting life on earth)"
==Are you saying that he wants to give you everlasting life on earth?
+Carrot Cake Majority of the scientists who do the exploring and discovering are atheists, so that already totally denounces what you say. OneyNG is an atheist, the very person who created the animation you seem to like. That means nothing really, but I'm just stating a fact I thought was kind of ironic that your preaching something he doesn't agree with. Is he evil too? Because he has to be by your logic.
All of your arguments get debunked in the video, did you even pay attention? I don't think you're evil for believing in God, in fact you sound kind of young, and I really do get how it's scary to think there's no God because that directly means there's nothing after you die. No one wants to die, everyone wants to live forever and have their loved ones live forever, or meet dead ones. Religion gives you that, but it's a lie. You know it is. The universe is 100% indifferent to humans, it's up to us, whilst we have our short lives, to positively impact those around us and the world we live in.
That's scary, I know. Nearly every Atheist used to believe in God, you realize? Every one of them had a long, logical talk with themselves, analyzing the evidence, not going on what made them FEEL better, but what they know to be true and what they know is impossible to be true.
At the end of the day, I think you know there's no God and you're trying to make yourself feel better. No one can MAKE you use critical thinking, and many vocal atheists are assholes the same way many vocal religious people are assholes.
+louis tournas maybe you should read the old testament and you will see your comment be answered. you will know about fake gods and man made religion's. you will also know how God hates those people who worship other gods and how God also hate all these man made religions.
What a masterpiece
This was an awesome video. Your best ever.
Yup this video should go viral or have like 1 million views in no time
+ShottaSoCo
And I thought Kylo Ren's name was Jacen Solo, not Ben Solo.
+George Mayer hi
The day will come when humanity, as a whole, will put aside "childish things."
When humanity has met its end - perhaps
I doubt it...
Yes, and then kill hundreds of millions of people as did the Soviet Union when they put aside "childish things".
I get the reference
@@moroccandeepweb5880 The Soviet union was christian, not atheist
That ending gives me chills every single time... This is my favorite of your videos @DarkMatter2525 ... you really are a miracle
omg, i just realised something...
if jesus christ is god’s son, is then god’s last name “christ”?
+EnderCrypt I think it's an honorific denoting his status as the Messiah of mankind. It's like how Darth Vader's first name isn't Darth, Darth is just his title.
Jesus Christ the name is an anagram . I think that's the word Christ means god . And Jesus means Save us . But I'm sure you were just trolling
so.. does anyone know jesus real last name
***** oh yeah
+0x1A3C3E7 I see what you wrote, but how I read it is "Jesus is a Timelord".
The only irrational illogical argument against this would be: god works in mysterious ways.
***** Have you?
***** enlighten me.
+John B please do make a video about it then. Without any factual fallacies? For me as an ex-Catholic the video just seems to oversimplify the complex trajectory of religious logic. But since you're everywhere here in the comment sections in this video I see that you're well aware about the situation here that most people here are atheist. Just tell me your point straight out my good man. What are you hoping to achieve here? To bash the claims of this video? Or protect theism?
+John B ahhh I see. So you just seem to be here to bash intellectually the thoughts put in this video. Good to know.
+John B yeah I know. Sorry for using the word "bash". I just reread my comment. What I meant was "critique". Well if that's how you put it then okay my man. Nothing to be worried about. Just people saying their opinion after opinion.
One thing I could never figure out was how it came to be that societies all over the world didn't know about the god of the Bible. If Adam and Eve were the forebears of the entire human race, didn't they pass on their acquaintance with God to their progeny? Did some generation along the way fail to pass it on? "So, here we are in South America, having migrated here, generation by generation from the birthplace of our first ancestors. We've passed on our language, our knowledge of edible plants, how to build a fire. Oh, wait! Darn, we forgot to tell our children about the most important thing in the world: God! ... Oh, well."
And this happened EVERYWHERE, in every single society--except the one lineage that led to the ancient Hebrews. Weird, huh?
+John B Sorry, John, but I think you missed my point completely. If the original humans knew God personally, how could that knowledge ever fail to be passed on. It wouldn't. And so the 'good news' wouldn't need to be spread thousands of years later.
Mind you, it's not unreasonable to think that some groups would somehow fall away from knowledge of their creator. But the idea that only one tiny group of people, out of the thousands of societies that populated the earth, maintained knowledge of him is just ridiculous. It makes much, much more sense to accept that the Jews had their own god, of their own making, just as each society had its own gods of its own making.
If a father loves his children and wants them all to know him, the approach you are suggesting is an absolutely idiotic way to go about it.
And it makes a lot more sense to think that God is not real than to think he is that lame-brained.
+John B Sorry, John, it sounds like smoke and mirrors to me. And no reason to believe a word of it.
good point
Maybe it is because God gave man a choice between following the eternal truths or following a life without God, and with Satan and/or the fallen angels. The choices that man make are left up to the individual. It is not like mankind forgot about the Godhead, rather, humans deliberately isolated themselves from the truth because it gave them a conscience and standards to live by.
+Leaf Lanz So, the billions of people who have never even heard of God or the Bible, including the remote tribes in Papua New Guinea and deep in the Amazon jungle that have never even had contact with the outside world all ... individually rejected God?
Hmmmmm. Does that have the ring of truth to you?
Thank god I'm atheist
fart biscuit ahhhh
That needs to be on a t shirt lol
Mac Kelly that would be awesome
fart biscuit yeah wait...
@@mackelly4581 I'd definitely buy that shirt
This was one of your best. Very thought-provoking, and touches the emotions a bit, too.
+John B
Yeah.
+Scott Seufert ...name of YHWH in ancient Egyptian docs
www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2010/03/08/The-Name-Yahweh-in-Egyptian-Hieroglyphic-Texts.aspx
If only they could comprehend the simple and elegant points your videos make....
+John B If you watched the video, and/or any of his others and missed the "simple and elegant points" I referred to, then you are among the "they" I was referring to who lacked comprehension of said points.
I'm not sure how to help you understand any better than this video. There are a lot of others out there who maybe can, though!
+statikreg There is no hope for John B becoming a rational person. The brainwashing he received was thorough. Unfortunately, there is no real negative impact on people's lives when they believe metaphysical nonsense. Our retarded society nurtures their beliefs and the perpetuation of the bullshit will continue into the next century. Especially here in the USA which is fucking beyond repair now.
+Scott Seufert ...To claim there is no supporting evidence for the Bible's historical accounts is evidence that perhaps you need to broaden your research parameters. If we are to be true to scientific method, we must study all sides, all hypotheses. I recommend "In The Beginning" by Brown, a scientist...just to start off. Then dig deeply into the papers of creation science websites. If you will not do this, you have no authority to attempt to debunk the claims of the Bible. Besides, it may give you some new material to shoot at.
+statikreg If religious people could be reasoned with, there would be no religions.
+Mark Scott That is an excellent point...
as an individual who prides philosophy as a key to understanding the universe, every time i watch one of these types of videos by you i always am left wanting more but full of deep, meaningful thought that forces me to use the whole of my understanding to take the questions you raise and answer them in the most complex yet simple ways i can ponder up. if i had any faith in a god i ask that you be blessed, but i can only hope you live along happy, and artistically extravagant life that lets you help more people of waning faith understand why that faith in meaningless in the grand universe we all reside within. I love your videos so don't stop, we all appreciate your hard work.
+John B sir, im sorry but my comment was simply and appreciation of his work, also these arguments are thought provoking.
Ah, most fine. You meant no harm and im sorry for my reply if i seemed defensive. I see that these arguments are more along the lines of rational thought that leads to scientific study that allows us to understand that the universe doesn't need a creator if it works in perfect harmony without his involvement in the way it works.
+Asteria Fere Thanx for sharing ur thoughts m9
yay
you have said what I was thinking about. thank you very much
I found this site about 10 years ago after I first de converted from Judaism and have watched nearly all of the videos. This one is by far my favorite.
@@SmalltimR I hope you realize that the Judaism god, the christian god, the Muslim god, and the thousands of other denominations of Christianity all believe in the exact same deity, just with different twists to make it unique. Think of it this way, first a religion starts, but they don't write down their stories on paper, they just pass it down by ear, and with each generation and each time it's told, something small, changes, then after lets say 100 to 1000 years, the original story, isn't going to be the same, which ends up creating different beliefs about the exact same story, that's been told by ear for thousands of years. It is the longest game of Telephone.
@@Ragingknight12
I don't think we're going to agree on the use of the term "exact" in this particular case.
ie, how is the triune God exactly resembling the Muslim God?
"If triangles had Gods, their Gods would have three sides."
+IngSoc Smith Mind telling me where that quote came from?
+got milk Charles Louis de Secondat Montesquieu
+IngSoc Smith Christianity has the trinity! Illuminati confirmed!!! lol
+IngSoc Smith whoa, chills... because there is definitely a joke in here somewhere about the holy trinity, and illuminati confirmed
+IngSoc Smith *"If triangles had Gods, their Gods would have three sides."*
It needs omniscience. It's not a really omnipotent god if it doesn't have four-sides.
I wish I could give this video more likes then there are stars in the universe.
I was about to go for a nap...then I saw a new DarkMatter video, and put that off. Now I'm awake, and entertained.
Great job.
This was the first darkmatter2525 video i ever watched and the one that made me doubt my faith years ago. I just rewatched it today and it was clearly ahead of its time. Kudos to you for making a very high quality thought provoking video!
I have been through a lot and I don't know where I belong anymore I don't know what God to worship or even believe if there is a god. I am a 16 year old Muslim girl and seeing this serious stuff helps me a lot so I hope this type of material will continue
Hands down most moving video. Really makes you think too, how tiny we really are
Yeah why would a god create billions of galaxies in the first place? Showing off? Why not just a moon, sun and Earth? Why do you need black holes, and all of the other dangerous stuff in space?
Why do men need nipples?
+ExtantFrodo2 to rub awkwardly :P
Alexander Snell
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+ExtantFrodo2
for the pecs
The Lord works in delirious ways.
Every time I feel lost, upset, or depressed, I turn to your video, and I find peace. Thank you very much.
Just when I was starting to question my atheism, this helps restore why I stopped believing. The fine tuning argument, touched upon by Sean Carroll vs william lane craig is somewhat used in this video, but in this video, the concept is much easier to grasp. You're right, if God is God, why does he need to restrict himself when it comes to life creation? Never thought of it like that.
Thanks again Darkmatter2525
***** Yahweh is a monster.
***** yeah to the people he's not killing LOL
***** sure you acted like I made my decision based on this video. All this video did was remind me that the fine tuning argument wasn't for life.
I've entertained the free will argument and finds it holds no water. Feel free to run it by me again though, I'm willing to try to grasp it
+John B Which kind of free will do you think God would appreciate more? The blind faith imposed with fear by few powerful people on some poor people that could not afford enough knowledge to chose what to believe in. Or the free thinking and kindness of an atheist that the only thing that he imposes on other people is the more accurate knowledge of reality he can achieve with hardwork and dedication at any given period of time so others can make their minds up.
I don't know, It just seems to me that religions don't promote that free will very well.
***** where's your evidence for this claim?
Maybe the bible would be convincing if there was something that would be above the knowledge of people of that time. If God revealed to them quantum physics or something. Even the animals in the bible are all within a 100 mile radius.
😂😂😂😂😂 Ikr?
OG Jatt I converted to christianity from atheism after college. I would love to see your degree in science. Oh wait you are probably still in middle school like most internet atheists. At least mentally.
+TheKingraptor724 Floating? I didn't know Earth could even float.
***** You are obviously being technical, you know what I mean that they didnt believe pillars and giants were holding it up like their counterparts. And I was making a statement to show Im not some stupid little kid that atheists love to assume just because someone doesnt believe in nothing.
+CollegeTalkTV I don't think all of the animals being within an 100 mile radius means anything. I don't think it gives a reason to not believe the Bible.
I think this is by far your best video. Blows my mind a little ever time I watch.
The easiest way to sell someone on atheism is to get them to read the bible.
Karl Marques Lol yeah who would've thought their book of salvation would be their doom.
Read Quran brother
One of my all-time favorite from you. Nice work sir.
But what if... Darkmatter2525 IS God?
HHHHH HHHHH *DUH DUH DDDDUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHH*
And he trolls us all?
then it doesn't matter anyways
Jordan Schlansky He doesn't troll us, he's just the one guy that points out society's failures
azur komay I just completed the sentence of the initial comment.
"What if Darkmatter is God.. and trolls us all?"
Facebook is blocking me from sharing this.
+비니보이 I did as soon as I saw, I also downloaded the video and shared it anyway, giving credit to the creator. Facebook fixed it though, Shared again with this link and deleted my copy. :)
+비니보이 They are just butthurt and have no respect for people's beliefs, choice or even lifestyles and think that Atheists will burn in hell or something......
As a Christian myself, I say screw those over-religious maniacs, and share this video. If facebook doesn't allow it then rape the share button until facebook goes "If you share this will you leave us alone?".
+Elias Khalil It's all good now, you can add it to your Facebook!
Cathy Freeney It wouldn't matter to me, I'd still approach my life using rationality and science. If I determined it was a program, I'd then start to study why that was so.
+Steve Weir Correct way to go about it. Once you understand the reality, was it then a program, or clockwork, or run by magical monkey on a golden kettle, you will be able to start to see beyond it, and finally get answers to questions, instead of just excuses like "god did it"
This is my favorite episode of power corrupts. I always make sure to come back to this video every once in a while.
Young Yahweh looks so adorable especially with Jeffery as fatherly figure
I love this video
OLe Jack Green The weird green guy ikr
But What If God Was Not Told He Is God?
-Jaden Smith
to me , the universe it'self is god , so the new question is
What if god doesn't have a consciousness
-Anubis Master
+Anubis Master that would mean you are claiming to be god. Because you are a part of the universe. And then God would also follow rules. And be useless. Why would you need to say that. You can't pray to it and get anything, it won't do anything for you, it isn't as smart as you(by human standards) and it give you no meaning for life. No scientist and hardly anyone will know that you mean "universe" when you say God, so the only reason you would say that the universe is God is so that you could have something you called God. Which is stupid
tyler swedan why would a god be your servant? why a god can't simply be his own creation?
if god is a universe , it explains how he is omnipresent ,omnipotent ,omniscent ecc... because he is all so this means he is not an external entity
+Anubis Master I never said God would be your servant. But if he was the universe, he isn't omnipotent because he follows the laws of physics, he isn't omniscient because it doesn't know anything, it can't answer a single question, if we said that "the universe is omniscient because it does everything" then that means you would know EVERYTHING about your psychology and biology. So, if God is the universe, he is omnipresent, "ascient", and "apotent". You don't say you have the power to die if you were hit by a bus, it isn't your choice, so you don't have that power, and the universe in the same way, doesn't have the power to follow the laws of physics, it just does. So it is useless.
tyler swedan are you ** ? IF HE IS THE UNIVERSE ,HE IS THE LAWS OF PHYSICS!
also god never answers anything , he doesn't ressurect so your point is broken,prove me there ever was a case of god ressurrecting somebody? and do not say bible or any other non-historical sources
This video is so deep
pinky toe deep
Ballsdeep in logic and reason
Nope
Not at all. It's just the background music that made it deep for you.
Hey so I only recently became an atheist and I was wondering... Is there a vegan substitute for children?
+Everett Logan Tofu, just mold them to look like organs they work really well
+Everett Logan Atheism(there is no reliable evidence for god), isn't related to veganism(killing animals is cruel). To answer your question though, I have never feasted on human children, because my human brain has this pesky tendency to cringe to even think about it, most likely due to biological reasons. So, sorry, I can't really solve your dilemma.
+Everett Logan Well on the other hand, steak and bacon are awesome, there is no vegan substitute for those.
+billshackles Actually there's something called facon, never tried it though. You may say it's not the same, but I'm guessing you would say electric engines are substitutes for combustion engines, and those aren't really the same either.
John Smith I probably will at some point, thanks anyway
before gods were created to explain everything,, now that we know a lot of stuff its just fear of death and desire for after life, create literally after life and there will be no need for god.
no need for a god? god doesn't exist to be needed. that's not the point of God! God exists for resons man can't comprehend
Ryan McBride
yes but why do you need him? you fear eternal suffering right? that void,, thats why many people are religious,, they fear death,, other things partially explained already
+Xar Gas it's not the fear of death as much as the longing for heaven. see, you don't need God to live...obviously, but as Christians we believe you need god to go to heaven. it's more the fear of hell if anything, not death.
Ryan McBride
you go to hell after dying, you basically just expanded my point so to speak
+Xar Gas in what way? I said Christians believe to get to heaven one must accept a God...
I had a christian propaganda ad before the video
I got a bible ad app 😂😂😂😂
@@steliosdo Same, it usually happends when I watch videos from atheist youtubers
Its almost like theists paying this dudes bills..
This was amazing. I loved it. I wish everyone could see the truth that is so plainly in front of them.
+John B I have better things to do with my time. Thank you for the offer though. Maybe you should take your own advice? www.salon.com/2014/05/31/11_kinds_of_bible_verses_christians_love_to_ignore_partner/
+John B I literally have no clue what that last comment meant. Just read the link if you are open-minded enough to see the flaws in your omnibenevolent god. If not, I don't really care to be honest. Just leave me alone.
+John B tl;dr
+John B stfu already you're spewing your bs on every thread, you're so desperate to be heard.
+dandanswang Some people want to claim they see the truth plainly in front of them but don't want to read. What ever happened to humility and having an open mind?
If there is a god it most certainly is not the Christian god, it is the very definition of a story too good to be true.
The PineApple now why are you giving false information I am a Christian and I am proud God is the only true God all of the other "gods" are false
John B have you learned about all the religions and gods before you stated "what other god has an entire bible that survived the test of time. And actually probably many "bibles". Or books. You just don't know about it. And the ones that do might have never heard about your god and says exactly the same as you do when confronted by atheist
If there is a God, he genuinely doesn’t care about what kind of lives we live and how we live it. He’s just enjoying the show.
@Nicole Nicole good enough to stick around all these years
Dunno, the bible has more redcons and inconsistencies than 12 y/o's fanfic
Yahweh failed his sociology test 😂😂
lmao
Very good video. It's what ancient eastern philosophies actually teach
which ones
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Zen, Taoism...
+jennifer the skeptic Older ones like Hinduism and religions derived from it like Buddhism.
+enter.the.void.II
I've seen your comments on some videos, haha.
Atheism is actually a religion.
What? It is. I pity those who say otherwise.
To begin with, atheism is the belief that God does not exists. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim, and atheists have yet to fulfill this. Granted that the universe and everything in it is unimaginably vast and complex, and that we have yet to even explore a tiny fraction of the universe, it is hubris to believe that no God exists. This is akin to a child bully harassing other children because he believes they are inferior - it is downright arrogant and wrong. Is it possible to disprove God? No; this is belief without evidence.
I repeat: belief without evidence. Seems familiar? Christopher Hitchens argued that, "What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." Ironically, his assertion that God does not exist has no foundation to support. Furthermore, I would like to mention that religion is defined as: a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance. You can find the exact same definition by doing a swift Google search.
Atheists all believe in one thing: there is no god. They will go out of their way to strengthen and/or manifest their beliefs - through videos, books, podcasts, internet, etc. They pursue to deny and reject the existence of God -> their actions reflect on how important they feel their beliefs are in their lives. Hence, atheism can be defined as a religion; it is composed of a belief without evidence, and they religiously explore/strengthen/manifest their beliefs in whatever way possible.
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I'd share this with people I know but the people I know that are religious are depressed and probably couldn't take this lol.
+lesROKnoobz It's very sad how some people are dependent on religion. That's why I bite my tongue sometimes too. God is the answer they've chosen as to why their lives are shitty *now*, but there is hope for the future. Since the hope that God will save them is tied to their struggle, revealing that there is no God is akin to destroying all hope, and making their lives meaningless. In the most depressing cases, people look forward to the afterlife because that's the only happy ending they can imagine.
ShdwftheSuN Yeah, man. Really sucks when it's family members.
You can still help them in other ways. If they think prayer and church are the only things that can help, you can show them that they can still take control of their lives *without* waiting for things to magically get better. That they can still make a first step, or continue where they left off on achieving their goals *before* they started using religion as a crutch. And in the case of clinical depression, to get help with a professional who can help them sort through what went wrong, so they can move forward once again.
You may or may not have tried these things already, but if they didn't seem to work before, there is still hope. While there may not be a grand plan for anyone in the greater scheme of things, all that means is we are the makers of our own destiny.
Thanks for the advice. It's hard to help people sometimes.
i'm glad that i'm not the only one that noticed religion brings depression despite what the average unknown person on the internet says
this channel is so significant in the quest for truth. well done
+John B And how would the bible constitute in ANY way as fact? By the way, this comment was divinely inspired ;)
***** No seriously, I wanna do this debate on skype:
Ethanvolcano211
***** "Reasonable Faith Forums"
I don't go on forums who's titles are oxymorons. Im willing to have the debate here, but it's annoying having to constantly respond to comments after 8 hours... whatever...
Prove that god exists. Without evidence, your stance is COMPLETELY unjustified. You can't just blame evrey little action on god, because that's not an answer. Ironically it makes the meaning of the word "god" useless. It's lioke saying (times 1) at the end of every mathematical context/answer, it's irrelevant.
Why do you want to believe that god exists? What with all the tragedies that take place on earth, the constant murder, starvation, death of curable diseases, poverty, war, natural disasters, the suffering of innocent animals, or just anguish in it's entirety, In what place do we establish the principle of a God in our society? and expanding on that, In what senseless and indifferent way can anyone assert that such a being would be benevolent?
Whether or not you believe in god, the fact remains, suffering exists, innocent children will still die.
Do you Accept evolution?
Why are you a christian? What denomination are you in? Don't you think it's strange how such an important and dire message from the "lawd oh maity" could be so easily misinterpreted and distorted among thousands of denominations within hundreds of religions? what makes your religion right? If I spoke with an islam, they'd tell me that YOUR people were deceived, and that Allah or whatever is the one true god. And when questioned why/how, they too, will point to their own holy texts. Faith isn't fact. And Fact is NOT a democracy.
So when you look at the suffering of humanity, of innocent children and animals, of the appalling infliction of pain among ourselves, how can you say that there's a loving god? Or even a god that intervened with us in general?
Religion has done nothing but continue to abstain from individual thought. Science provides explanations for phenomena once attributed to GOD. God is nothing but an excuse, and answer used by those who are afraid of the world they find themselves in, those who are both unwilling to search for proper conclusions and unwilling to accept them.
***** " it appears as though you've confined your responses to that of verificationism, to which I'd add I have no intentions of embarking in personally"
Then don't go off preaching your religon or saying that Chirstianity is right, or god exists or whatever. You have the Audacity to assert a claim and concede to having no evidence? Fine then, remain in you're ignorance, but don't try and persuade others to join you.
"And while I can appreciate your determination to investigate God's existence for yourself"
Im a skeptic. I'm not saying that a god doesn't exist. Im saying that YOUR god, the christian god, is a load of Bullsh*t. The deist god cannot be proven nor disproven, but it's supposed existence is irrelevant. Am I a deist? No, however I accept Deism as a possible explanation as much as I accept the flying potato is real. Without evidence, how can I claim to know the existence of such an entity?
+metaphysics anyone? good luck finding truth.
Awesome Job. Ive been bing watching your work. Awesome....
"Why would mere geography affect an omnipresent god?"
I haven't felt this feeling in my heart since I first started watching your channel- The feeling that god truly does just make no sense.
@@SmalltimR makes no sense
@@carealoo744
I think we could do better by first asking why geography should pose a challenge to an omnipresent being to begin with. As it seems rather odd that a reference point prove to be a limitation in such case, or in contrast with the capacity for said being to carry-out a particular actions within given parameters. Which seems to be more of a human limitation than a legitimate contention.
Having said that, I would also question why so many seem willing to take the author to his word, as it would seem that the majority of those claiming to have benefited from the presentation, do so without validating the arguments, or that these appear largely invalid with respect to the texts from which the information was taken.
You can’t find God the same reason a Thief cant find a Policeman
@@maalikserebryakov I'm not running from anything.
@@carealoo744 You Are Immoral Atheisy
Where do u get Morals
I've never clicked on a video so fast
Lol same
+Samwelli Sievs
What do you mean, ''Clicked on a video so fast''?
+Inguss Kalnins He meant that he opened the video as soon as he saw it in his sub box.
most probably......
Praneeth Y Yeah, probably!
Wow! These videos make so much sense! I never would have thought about religion like this if I never watched these. Really opens my mind.....
We will not survive as a species unless we evolve our way of thinking. And we cannot evolve our way of thinking as long as we cling to religion. The universe was not created just for us, and there isn't a god with a divine plan for each and every one of us. We are "special" only to ourselves. The universe, as Carl Sagan said, regards us only with indifference. If we cannot accept that, and continue to insist that we are designed and made in the image of and by the gods, then we are doomed to cataclysmic self-destruction.
In order to avoid any possibility of a "straw man" claim, I present the words of the bible itself:
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
Practically speaking, stuff like this reflects far more the sentiments of men that it does any omnipotent god. It is plain that the words of the bible were made by men with very little understanding of the universe around them, and not by any gods who created it. But as Mark Twain once supposedly said, "It is far easier to fool a man than it to convince them they have been fooled."
Regards
No, I don't want to have a biblical discussion. When I was a child, I thought like a child and acted like a child. Now that I am a man, I have put childish things away. You should, too.
John, respectfully, I'm not so certain that you even understand what a straw man argument is. It is as if you have heard the term without understanding it. I asserted that men "continue to insist that we are designed and made in the image of and by the gods". You called that a straw man argument. Indeed, it would be a straw man argument if -- and only if -- the bible does not make that assertion itself. And so I shared text verbatim from Genesis in which "god" says: “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness". Are the two assertions different? No. You then wanted to have a "biblical" discussion. What's the point of a "biblical" discussion? Were you thinking about "sharing the good news" with me? Teaching me about "god's love"? Were you going to "reveal his blessings"? No thanks. I'm not biblically ignorant. Like many atheists, I was raised a theist, and was thoroughly educated in it, and spent years in church leadership. Today, I am both scientifically and biblically literate, so -- with no offense intended -- I doubt that you're going to teach me anything about the bible that will suddenly offer me the epiphany that what I once believed and then came to conclude was a lie was the truth after all. If you wish to think of me as a "lost soul" who will tragically spend all of eternity burning in the bowels of hell because I applied sound reason and logic to the argument of an all-powerful yet invisible god and found it to be utterly unconvincing, you are welcome. If I turn out to be wrong, I'll give god an earful of how incompetent a creator and administrator he is before accepting my fate.
"I'd point out that the Bible contains instances of God providing details that are relevant to the universe and what lay beyond the body of knowledge attributed to humans of that time period."
That's quite a claim. Can you provide some of these actual instances, please?
John, without chapter and verse references, I'm left without anything to see for myself. Also, I've noticed plenty of rather liberal interpretations of the bible (much like the "prophecies" of Michel de Nostrodamus, warranting a more critical personal examination. Do you mind sending the 2 or 3 specific passages (or just chapter/verse) which you believe might be most convincing. I've got more than a dozen different bibles that will provide interesting cross-reference on the subject, too. Thanks
OMG! Yaweh dissapeared in the middle of a conversation! Yaweh is... BATMAN!!!!!
Or......he was never there to begin with!!! Dun dun dunnnn!!!
+smith549371 Mind blown...
+shanara99 He's like fuck it i'm gonna do shit my way
+shanara99 Sign me up for that religion!
This is one of the most poetic videos I've ever seen and was probably the boiling point for me to stop believing. I had no outside atheist influence and grew up a missionary child that only ever knew Christianity. It was one day that I was on youtube that I was recommended a single one of your videos, then I was interested in more. Your videos almost exclusively converted me while in the midst of nothing but Christian influence.
Incredibly well-made. This channel voices out all the questions I was afraid to ask back when I believed in god.
End music is heavenly. Altogether beautiful work here!❤
This is actually very inspiring story-wise. I imagine a story about a collection of beings who, at a certain age, are given the materials to make a world in which to place primitive life for the sake of gathering a resource (happiness or some biz), and one day, one of these beings rebels and somehow destroys the others, giving his creation far more power than is allowed, and renaming himself a word that, in his language, means "lone ruler"-Yahweh.
That said, I'm an atheist, so don't take this like I'm a theist.
i know. i just want him to make more of that series
The animation might be just average but the content and the massive amounts of logic, knowledge and reason make it an easy 10 out of 10
The animation would be ten times better if he had more $$!!
It's all self funded.
I've come to kinda love the animation tho 😁
If you're a Christian and you're in doubt, let yourself doubt. If god is good then there's no harm in thoughts and questions. With that said, if you're doubting, consider if things make more sense if we assume that God is nothing like what we've been taught.
Sounds like you're entertaining the thought that there might be a Creator... I'll admit that all religions are nonsense. .. Are you agnostic?.. Personally I'm agnostic, because nobody can answer the question, about God's existence. Thoughts?
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I think we can't answer the question about a god's existence, but we can answer the question about specific gods such as the god of christianity, islam, or some of the gods of hinduism.
You can do it by assessing whether the combined characteristics of say, the Christian or Muslim god, is even possible. The characteristics of this type of god is logically impossible so concerning gods like this, it is very easy to rule out their existence.
As for a god which no one knows or claims to know anything about, then maybe.
Yes, I agree and I I think that a higher power is possible, but not the one's in religions. .. Nice chat, . Have a good journey.
Brilliant ! The argument that you have made here is exactly why I questioned my religious beliefs. And because of which I see the truth today !
The argument of why god would only show himself to illiterate people in desert areas of the middle east has always been one of the funniest and most devastating.
Actually it make perfect sense based on the details provided in the narratives - for example;
The first humans labeled 'in GOD's image'; [one man, one women], and who were themselves in a personal relationship with GOD show that GOD revealed Himself to His very first human children.
That said, the text shows that being in GOD's image, consisted of a refinement process, in-that humans were products of development(the earth), of which all living things were; plants, animals etc.
Following this, the narrative then goes-on to recount the fall of mankind due to willful sin, and the corruption of their compatibility with GOD, this in-turn, resulting in their expulsion from the garden and the tree of life, which was used to symbolize eternal life with GOD.
Following this, this first human pair, would bare sufficient children to achieve self-sustaining procreation, whereas the subsequent nations that followed, would not all recognize or walk with the one true GOD, but rather, where some turned to false gods, thus leading to divisions, wickedness and conflict.
Therefore and with that being said, the notion that GOD would only reveal Himself to specific persons following the fall makes perfect sense, as there were those with no desires to walk with GOD, and in-favor of alternative moral law givers(or gods). And moreso, where it is by compatible hosts that those seeking to walk with GOD were drawn to Him, and that the the prophecy of salvation was carried out - which is interesting if you think about it, as that is the point of the Bible narrative.
In addition to this, it's also worth noting that there were various persons throughout Bible history who found favor in GOD's eyes, and who entered into personal relationships with Him. Some tribal, others independent, though more notably, always based on compatibility with regard to GOD's teachings and commandments.
Whatever the case, the notion that GOD would have limited His interactions and revelations to a specific people makes perfect sense, as it was by means of such people that we find GOD's will was accomplished - which is precisely the type of behavior we'd expect from an all-knowing entity whose will was accomplished through Creation itself.
[COMMON RESPONSES;]
It's all GOD's fault
He should have known better
Humans were designed to fail
There is no GOD anyways
And so-on and so-forth... :)
@@SmalltimR and then He made the rainbow to remind Himself to not kill everything everywhere again, so all those people he revealed Himself to died
For people who are arguing with John B., don't bother, he's never going to change his mind. In fact, he'll basically dance around your original claim and bullshit his way through using fancy words and long paragraphs on one detail of the argument.
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SmalltimR Why are you scrolling through a TH-cam video comment section in the first place trying to "PROVE" your points anyways? Or maybe your trying to get into arguments and debates? Even then when in a debate you must keep and open mind and allow your religion to be held to the same scrutiny as anything else would be. Aren't you making a conscious decision to even be here on the internet and to be in this comment section anyways? Also using Bible qoutes is a bullshit way of debating.
there's no record of him lol. he deleted all his comments
The Plains Jam more like don't bother arguing with anyone online.It's always a clusterfuck.
Uto Resa 519, I'm not sure I agree. the person you are debating with will never admit his flaws in reasoning but someone else reading the comments might see how ridiculous he is. it often looks like a battered wife making excuses for her abusive husband.
Even as an atheist, I find these videos to be very interesting and thought-provoking.
They are even just entertaining as narratives, aside from the serious issues they raise. A very well-earned sub.
+fuckoff5311 These videos are made to be thought-provoking to theists and atheists alike.
It takes an extremely intelligent and creative mind to reveal this mind breaking truth. Thank you.
***** Well for me it opened up a new perspective. Since I already knew souls and reincarnation exists, then it means god exists and if he does; there are probably countless planets out there bursting with life just like ours :)
The work you do is more beautiful than words can describe. You open eyes, then minds, then "hearts". This series makes me cry for humanity because I love and have hope for them. I'm also embarrassed and ashamed by them. We're not ready yet. One day......
I’ve been an atheist for a year now, this channel has reinforced my belief that god doesn’t exist.
This channel creates atheists everyone
Welcome to the community
I was starting to question things again this just set it in stone
@@dratinibrah congrats you are
Start ing to break free
That could work for Muslims, though I don't see how this could prove useful for Bible students however.
Likewise, why conclude that faith in one thing without validation justify putting faith in another under the same conditions?
For example, why assume that the information in this video be any more reliable than some other source?
Needless to say, I've always found such public appeals to be curious, in that those seeking the approval of others do so at the cost of their credibility - such as, the ridiculous nature of a reality encompassing an eternity past and all without the existence of a supreme intelligence...
Whatever the case, if there's one thing we can be sure of, it's that self-deluding beings cannot be trusted for anything... as we seem incapable of objective reasoning no matter how hard we try.
This... seems like it'd make a really good concept for a show.
Or a webcomic. Some sort of serial episodic medium, anyways.
Well it is. This is episode 5 of Power Corrupts. There's a plot and everything, it's interesting to say the least.
Right! Totally---But just read the b-i-b-l-e that's the book for me for now; This should suffice for a good comedy (or horror); It can go both ways! LMAO
this is so deep.
O, ye aulde Holly Bibble.
How ever could we brrblbrrb without thee?
Zilhah Hadad
Yam ackshly.
Her tek dese droogs oh no ur midiclorians r bad thas $£§€¥5000 for magic rainbow hemlet tha help u get hevin
we nota cult tho if u sey we r then burn ur hoose dan an u go hell plz k bye :)
is nat RELEGON is SIENSE
will call
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becuz is siense
an ur hed b beddur now gib uz munee plz
othrwsz burn a millun billlun yers an screeming burn fire deth
an reemembur thet _GOOD HATS FEGS_
DarkMatter, I've just found your videos and totally understand and appreciate what you're doing! Awesome stuff! Thank you so very much for what you do, brother. 👍💯
You just blew my mind again, keep on doing that, I need that, regularly!