TMM Reads Hilarious Tekken 7 Steam Reviews
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“Negan is literally pay to win”
Highest of keks
You didn't like my super serious review? smh
Holy shit great trolling on that person
Negan does not compare to Leroy cause everytime I fight him I have dark souls tunnel vision.
Bruh
@@joelkarito7572 just be lucky Leroy doesn't have a hornet ring.
the first guy claims are legit
@RED IBLIZ facts
Thanks, I'm glad so many people agree. I love Tekken, just want to see improvements
The DLC characters all have the same issue regardless of the game. People should have always to able to A)trial run the character to see if they want to buy them and B)be able to practice against them.
@@HadesHatredEdge Agreed. You're more likely to get me to buy a DLC character if I fall in love in a test drive as well
Yeah the first dude was on point with everything. I do miss seeing the player name before you play because I can easily avoid known pluggers like karate Joe, ukeemi
"Got hellswept" LMAO
My favorite review
Migixkem Jord same
I know you don't have to buy the season passes... But without them you have no ways to properly know the match-up against (now) like a dozen characters... I think an "all character practise mode" would be more than enough to calm down those who can't afford all the passes and characters...
facts
A good idea, has any other game done this?
@@user-wy1et9dk9w For Honor from ubisoft. You can buy the dlc characters with the in game money but its a stupid grind. Also people can have dlc characters before gets released with season pass. So it counts i think
@@akino2667 it does kind of count but i meant specifically the "all characters practice mode" without having to buy anything. If even any game has done something like this there is hope
@@user-wy1et9dk9w For honor. You can lab any char before buying it.
"If you play on PC the netcode is great"
I'm dead.
BrodyZera but it is?? Like, the game itself doesn’t have problems, it’s just y’all'ses Internet that ruins your matches
@@potchary8366 netcode doesn't matter if the connection is good. The point of good netcode is to save matches that have mediocre or bad connection.
to me tekken netcode is a masterpiece compared to smash ultimate
@@hatsunemiku8007 *laughs in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2*
@@Sharp1200 “when I play a game, it is the game developers job to make sure that my shitty internet can work just as well as someone with gigabit” “when I pay for a gym membership, it is the owners personal responsibility that I look like a body builder whether I put in 2 minutes or 30 hours a week”
look dude standard edition usually means the standard game (minus preorder and deluxe bonuses if available), the deluxe edition has things such as boost pack or characters or a level, the gold edition has everything. Then games started the trend of having frequent updates throughout an extended period of time so they added the Ultimate/Game of the Year Edition this always has EVERYTHING the game has to offer. GOTY/Ultimate editions are released 1-2 years after the game's launch when game devs stop adding new things but keep patching the game if necessary. I understand that player's frustration when buying the Ultimate Edition without having everything in (or will be) in the game.
Would that be the case for SFV: Champion Edition when let's say maybe a year or two fly by with balance patches and whatver else capcom tries to add in and capcom pro tour 2020 before (or maybe during) the possible development of an SFVI or another fighting game?
@@joycehayes1454 I'm a casual Tekken player. It's the only fighting game I played ever since Tekken 3. I stopped at tekken tag team 2. The game feels bland and only a cash grab with little to no incentive to play. As a casual fan I liked tekken 3, 4 and 5 for things like cosmetics, "story", arcade missions. Competition and Online modes were never a priority for me. I'm saying this just to set the tone.
Anyways, if a game is constantly adding new things for a prolonged period of time it's either free to play and ask for money to unlock new things. Even then they can have something for a fixed amount say 40$ that gives you access to everything that will ever be added to the game (Paladins is a good example).
Or a paid game that adds new content for free but they would have a microtransactions system that is health for both the players and the game. Healthy transactions would be like coins or cash to buy cosmetics or whatever they deem fair (certainly not a new character or map or frame data). Even then these cosmetics should be accessible to regular players. Exclusive skins are scummy imo but they can add that as well. Like have the devil kazuya for x amount of money or something idk. (MMO, RPG and FPS like overwatch do that).
I know TMM meant well but some reviews about DLC are legit. I think if u call it Ultimate Edition, it should be ultimate and include all the DLCs and not buying the DLCs is not an option if all I am getting is Leroy, Noctis or Geese in ranked.
Dude, go play SFV and Dead or alive 5. You'll thank the Tekken 7 developers for making the DLC content super cheap. Trust me.
Bro why would I play doa or sfv when I like Tekken. Criticism does not mean I hate the game. I am just saying that Ultimate Edition should be ultimate or don't call it that. I like the way Tekken 7 is being supported by the devs and community. Now think, what if someone bought Tekken 7 ultimate edition on steam or PS store thinking that it would contain all the DLCs and when it doesn't, won't it create a bad taste for the game.
@@asadzaidi6188 they didn't plan on season 3 bro
@@Chaindriver A winner should not be decided by the shinier of two turds
That's because they never actually know if they're making a new Season Pass for the next year. Murray said in an interview that Noctis was supposed to be the last DLC, until they realized a lot of people want more classic characters.
But yeah, they shouldn't have named it "Ultimate Edition" if they're not sure that they'll make more DLCs. They should have saved that name for the very final edition, when they're sure that it will be the last batch of DLCs.
People aren't comparing Tekken with other fighting games, they're comparing it to other games. Characters being "buy to lab" in a competitive game isn't a common thing outside of fighting games. DLC pricing doesn't make sense when you compare it to other games either, it might be standard industry practice in fighting games but it's not well received in other games.
Fighter have always been an exception to the rule compared to the, "anti-comsumer" practices of Activision, Ubisot, Bethesda, EA. We want the games to stay the same relatively in fighters because it's about one's consistence. We just want good netcode and xplay
90$ for 30$ of content is not fighting games standard either
@@kato093 and tk6 had everything guess what it sols like shit harada explain on how tk was about to fade from existences SMH
You don't have to buy to lab in Rivals of Aether (no strings attached), FighterZ (a little conditional as you need Ginyu and Body Change to land) or Mortal Kombat X (Challenge Towers).
It would be nice to see Tekken continue to be leaders with their practice features.
@@thelastgogeta Labbing with a "Challenge tower"-like mode in Tekken would be a nightmare, alright maybe for MK and simpler stuff, but not good for Tekken. Saying you can lab because you can swap bodies in FighterZ is at the very least mental gymnastic.
Not disagreeing with you, just saying those arguments are flawed. Labbing is done in practice because you need to understand how to punish all the resources of the character, see how his hurtbox works against your moves and so on.
11:02 As a DoA player, in DoA you don't need to pay for frame data. You just pay for costumes and characters. It's common practice for fighting games. The game just has too many DLCs.
DoA has more options for learning the game, than Tekken has: Tutorial, Moveset Training Mode, Combo Challenges… And yes, we have access to framedata in Training Mode. We have them from the beginning as basic features of the game. In Tekken you have pay for frame data. WTF.
Rei Ranmaru DID YOU GET PAID?????
@@redbloody946 of course not. I can't NOT critisize Tekken for this. IMHO, my words are fair.
Shut up loser
Idk bout the other DOAs but DOA 2 was the best for me. I played a lot of doable 2 when I was a child
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New $30 DLC character :)
For the most part these reviews are pretty good. Main complaints I agree with:
- Poor offline modes
- Local rank save
- Barrier to entry is very low, barrier to enjoyability is hundreds of hours
- If you don't plan on immediately buying the DLC, don't even bother getting the game until you're ready because online is impossible without that knowledge
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"That is the standard so why complain about it" is the dumbest argument I've heard to scummy DLC practices.
What's scummy about tekken 7's dlcs cuz I dunno
@@luddadarlington8887 Well, what do you know, Leroy is a perfect example right now. Great timing! It's a character that's beyond broken. Definitely overtuned on purpose (but they probably pushed it too far without realizing themselves, like with the f,f +3), and he's locked behind a paywall. So if you wanna stay competitive, you gotta pay up. Not to mention you can't even lab the guy because DLC characters are locked in practice as well. Why? There's absolutely 0 reason other than to get you to buy him.
This is just the competitive aspect of the problem. Never mind the fact that people who used to enjoy playing Lei, Julia, Armor King, etc in previous games have to pay an additional fee just to "own" the characters they are so fond of. And AGAIN you can't even lab against any of these characters if you don't own them. "You don't have to buy the season passes" is a bullshit excuse.
At that point it's like "Well I might want to practice against these other characters too, so I might as well get the whole season pass", "Well, I might want to try some S1 DLC characters eventually... maybe I really should get Tekken 7 Ultimate Edition". Alternatively you'd be paying more for each character individually, which you're less likely to do, so the Season passes are presented in a way that makes them seem more appealing, even though they're still unacceptable. Reminder that Ultimate Edition costs $99, and for being "Ultimate" it doesn't include S3. I think purchasing an "Ultimate" version of something and STILL not owning the full game speaks for itself. The people who bought this version of the game before S3 had no way of knowing this would happen. So too bad for them, they got screwed really hard.
Don't get me wrong, people gotta make a living. Yes, video games cost more to make these days with graphical fidelity going up. I can't find info on T7's launch price. Whether it was $60 or if it was always $40. Either way, general price of a AAA game has supposedly remained $60, however for those $60 you're not getting the full game anymore. In almost all cases you need to pay additional fees to "own" full content. So yes, people gotta make a living, but games aren't a niche thing anymore. They're beyond mainstream at this point. So I don't think that counts as a great excuse.
The extra money from DLCs generally doesn't even go to the devs, it's just bonuses for the higher up executives. And that's on top of the deals publishers make with other corporations/companies. Just one example since it's T7 related, PS4 exclusively got legacy cosmetics and the Jukebox feature, gee I sure wonder if there was any money exchanged there... I guess we'll never know.
Tekken 7 is generally less scummy than most AAA games these days, but still unacceptable and inexcusable. The general consumer has just grown too used to all the crap that's going on right now. Unfortunately with the way AAA game development is structured, poor DLC sales will also hint the publisher into thinking it's not worth it to invest money in another installment of a game. So unfortunately, even if we all did vote with our wallets, and didn't give into this type of crap, we might just not see a Tekken 8 which is something we wouldn't want. Either way we're getting screwed by capitalism big time.
@@MegpoidNebri I think it really doesn't matter how scummy the DLCs are when the game is already bad.
I agree with what you’re saying, but I think TMM meant “why treat it like it’s a Tekken specific problem” because these people would complain about Tekken then say go play SF5 but SF5 has the same shit so what you complaining about? It’s a problem with the fighting game devs in general; not a Tekken problem was i think his point. Obviously the scummy DLC practice should never have even been standard.
They say the most dangerous phrase in language is: "it's always been done this way".
i've always felt that they should at least let you use all the characters for free in training, at least offline training, in all fighting games. It would be more fair and allow you to learn while also doing a "try before you buy" type of thing.
Couldn’t agree more!!
That 1st review is pretty much my exact issues with the game as well. There's no way in hell I'm paying for garbage like zafina just to practice against her mid crushing bs
Yeah it really is annoying. They should DEFINITELY allow everyone to use DLC characters in practice mode. I do not intend to play characters like Zafina so I don't wanna buy them, but there's no way to practice the matchup so you get destroyed because you can't lab them. And if you do find someone online who uses that character to practice, they win-quit on you after just 1 match and you're back to square 1.
You can still watch anti-guides and tutorials on these characters on TH-cam, but it's not the same as labbing them and practicing your punishment options.
@@disruptor6550 and let's be real. I have plenty of chats that I had no real interest in playing just labbying it but in the end I added to my rooster.
So you could say that free lab could improve the chances of people buying the char in the end.
Then don't buy it, harada explain to everyone just fuckin have fun
Literally why I play Zafina.
then keep bitching about it lol, nobody cares.
TMM is completely missing the point about the season passes
I think people who wrote the reviews missed the point of the season passes. There is bad DLC policy and there is good and when game get a new wave of updates and charakters its good, especial when it wasnt suppose to happen but the game got way popular than expected.
@@ZunaZurugi but the characters you buy are fucking broken, and its purposefully made that way for newcomers for more sales.
@@biglad4666 The time when that video came out only Leroy was broken... or you wanna tell me other DLC were broken ? Tell me which because until Leroy came out no DLC was "broken"
Shrek Buttstein that’s true maybe for Leroy and Fakhuram but not the rest really. I will agree that since there are so many, it would be nice to have dlc characters unlocked in practice mode.
That said, DLC in fighting games takes a ton of work, even for the legacy characters and adds hours of content. It’s expensive but the value is definitely there.
AND if we’re honest, this is the best way fighting games can do this. Before DLC, you literally had to buy entire updated versions of the game to get new character (ex: Street Fighter 2 Turbo).
13:43 "They dont force you to pay for dlc characters." They made 13 dlc characters so there is a very high chance that you meet them on a daily basis. And every time you meet them in ranked you are going to get your ass beaten because you cant lab them in practice mode. Either pay 90 Dollars for all dlc characters or get your ass beaten because you dont know the matchup. Ranks is frustrating enough but loosing because you dont want to pay a lot of money for characters you dont even want to play is disgusting.
you dont even lab the free characters regardless most likely
23:37: I knew he was going to laugh when he read Super Smash Bros.
I was prepared, but I laugh too.
@TUME 1 I don't have anything against Smash.
If had the chance, I would play it.
Don't think that I'm a etilist, I play a lot of fighting games other than Tekken
@@seiryu265 I'm fine with people thinking smash bros is for casuals but the thing is there's no point in some people completely disregarding it. It just feels a lot more accessible imo
Then 1 year later kazuya enter smash bros
*Namco* has charged us for the practice mode in the past. lol
It was part of the expansion for *TEKKEN DARK RESURRECTION* for the *PlayStation 3*
@AB CD Yea... But that *"Upgrade"* still costs money.
It wasn't free it cost *$14.99* to be exact. lol
98% of these "reviews" are just about how the dlc costs money
*wHy EvErYtHiNg CoStS mOneY?!*
It's not that the DLCs cost money, it's that they COST A LOT OF MONEY for a single char.
@@VerGiLL1 7 or 4 Buck isn't alot son
@@VerGiLL1 a lot of games want 10-15 bucks for a fucking Skin so 3-7 bucks for a character with over a 100 moves where a lot of work is put in isnt much
@@shenelljohnson74 Are you joking ? Season pass 2 is at 15 bucks on Steam. That's 15 bucks for 6 chars which at first does doesn't seem like a lot, but then when you really that The Witcher 3 with all it's DLCs also costs 15 bucks. You realize that it cost a lot more than you realized .
2:11
Me, back when at 7 I believed I was a karate master after two lessons and 3 jackie chan movies
"Ratatatata waahh hyaaah hyaaah!"
- MainMan 2019
Menace what?
The no tutorial one is pretty legit tho
I hope they do the right thing and listen to the fans. I legit quite a bunch of games just to play Tekken again, the game is fun asf, Got a healthy community and a fun gameplay
What?
Its japan... japan doesnt give a shit about western opinions :v
But they need to fix the ranked back up and let you practice against the dlc chatacters
Kj Batista i agree with that. Another fighting game has done that, killer instinct where it allows you to train against the character you don’t have and you don’t have to buy them, you can still lab them. The tekken community doesn’t give a shit though, if it’s tekken, they’ll buy, and they’ll tell everyone else “oh you don’t have money? It’s only 4 dollars” when that’s not even the point I’m making. Sure though, whatever. That’s why you guys have yet to get a collection of all the tekken games and capcom does that with all their tittles.
@@T3mptat1on exactly lol. Not sure what he's fussing about. The game is incredibly successful commercially and critically. Namco has been listening to fans, brought back old characters, added frame data, are there issues of course, nothing major at this point
"Healthy community"
Really?
"Got Hellsweept" Arsenalty is that you?
Hey Main Man! They gotta give us back the Cougar Punch of Steve Fox. It was such a beautiful technical boxing move. The jab to the body with the back-up1. His Muhammad Ali dance move from Tekken 6 was also epic. We want it!
I totally agree on the dlc practices. If you cant at least train with these characters they are literally pay to win for most of matches.
Edit: And to proof that point i will refer to the matches between king jae with ganryu and tmm with geese. where tmm openly said he doesnt know what ganryu does and had a obviously harder time because he didnt know the Charakter.
so what? its because it just came out, he has the season passes, not even Saint would know the character well given how recently he came out, he wasn't sitting on his ass crying poor me, i can't lab against ganryu because it's locked behind a pay wall blah blah blah like you lazy ass bums who want a handout
@@bludika thats where your head stoped to work it seems. Or did i somehow disrespect your precious main man? Yes he has the season pass but that wasnt the point. The point is without any knowledge of the characters they get pay to win especially in a game that explains nothing.Nobody wants a handout! It just would be be fair(in a competitive game) to let ppl train against dlc charas. And i know in this practises are similar in other fighting games and its not fair there ether. But lets compare t7 to sf5 with dlc charas and there is on crucial difference and that besides that sfv is the "easier" game you dont have to guess 60+ moves per character if you don't own them. Like i said tmm said it himself: "it doesnt matter wich character he takes he would get steam rolled because he dont know" and thats the point. Some ppl just cant afford the season passes or characters and they will set in a huge disadvantage when they have to face dlc charas online over and over again.
@@matteagle9780 lmao, then go get a fucking job instead of playing video games? if you can't afford an extra $28, then you should be working at a 2nd job so that you're not hung up on something as little as $28, lmao priorities...idgaf what you say you lazy ass bums
@@bludika what kind of stupid are you? I havent spoken about me at all. But well you seem the kind of cancer ppl meet online and so all kind of conversation with you is done.
@@bludika You must either have a great job or be so dumb when it comes to savings and reality to type what you just typed. Realize the DLC in Tekken costs more than the game and the game has more than the DLC so how is the DLC justified from a price point as a consumer?
Pretty fair reviews. I was thinking of buying tekken in this end of the year, but they totally changed my mind.
Literally says fuck 4 seconds earlier and then decides to make the bleep sound when he reads the hearts
I think ultimate edition was released before season 3.
Either way they can see what's included before buying
its because 98% of tekken players are some of the dumbest, laziest, and biggest crybabies, even as a life long tekken player, it's sometimes fucking embarrassing to be playing the same game lmao
7:13
The difference between most 2D fighters and Tekken is that you can learn a matchup relatively quickly even if you've NEVER played against that character. Yes you will struggle with some parts but its not impossible to fight against a character that you have 0 experience with. Tekken on the other hand is notorious for its massive movesets which have some cheesy options that you know can be punished or countered but you have no idea how unless you lab the character, the biggest example of this is throw breaks. In most fighting games characters have 1 universal throw that you can break very easily with a minority of the cast having command grabs that require moderate execution but can be overcome by jumping, though this leads to mixups. Tekken on the other hand has most of the cast equipped with some sort of special throw that has a specific way to break it, if you don't know how to break Steve's grabs then he suddenly becomes a mid-screen mixup character with albatross 2, or albatross into peekaboo 1+2. Now this is an extreme example, once you know Steve's throws are pretty much only 1+2 half the time you won't fall for it, but there are characters that aren't even grapplers that have a throw for each break which if the opponent has not labbed them and the throws are spammed it can lead to an extreme version of a grappler style mixup.
In short, once you see a character's mixup options once in most 2D fighters you can guess correctly 90% of the time how to punish or defend against it properly while Tekken has such extreme characters with different levels of crushes or evasiveness or any other gimmick that is unintuitive to punish, slap on the huge number of throws and you have a recipe for disaster unless you have specifically labbed these characters.
Random question: Can Leroy auto parry, in his stance, a projectile from Geese or Eliza?
Yeah, dlc is expensive for Dead or Alive. But everything in the season pass is purely cosmetic for that game. Frame data is free on DoA while on Tekken you pay 3 or 4 dollars for something that is essential for getting better at the game. DoA is optional pay while Tekken is "optional" too but really not if you want to get better. Sure, you could just download Tekken Chicken but that just wastes time that could be used better.
usually when you buy the "ultimate edition" to a game it's like $40 more because it includes up to 2 future dlcs, tekken makes you pay the extra $30 for literally eliza and then makes you pay another $30 if you want the others
I think the Tekken community is kinda bipolar "we want actual martial arts" after Leroy's release they are like "We got Wing Chun we dont need anything more" or "2D characters arent really tekken characters" yet everyone is like "We need to respect those proplayers" like jesus make up your fucking mind.
It's almost as if the tekken community is more than 1 person. Insane right?
@@sixty8403 well yeah but still it's kinda funny
First review actually brings up great points
Mainman these people complain about DLC for a reason. It is expensive, pushed in your face by the developers, and you cannot practice against those characters. It's unfair to people with not a lot of money. You may love it because you can afford it, but some of us struggle to. More importantly though is that games used to actually be a full fucking package, but I'd hardly call tekken 7 a full package.
its not expensive lmao, its fucking $25-30, if that's too much, then you shouldn't be playing video games in the first place, go get a job, save up, then buy, big deal, that's how the real world works, if you can't afford it, save up and buy
@@bludika They might already have a job and be living from paycheck to paycheck. I guess you'd say that that's their fault too, right?
David Parry it is, and they shouldn’t be playing video games if they’re barely scraping by, or just save up then buy, it ain’t that much
@@bludika Fuck off!
@@bludika It's not about whether you can save up 20$ for a season pass or not. Its about whether it's worth it to spend what essentially is another full game worth of money equivalent on a Paywalled dlc piece to get what basically amounts to scraps of new content when you can invest these 20$ in buying a different product entirely and potentially extracting the same or even greater amount of hours worth of personal entertainment from it.
It's simply not worth to spend it on such a shit deal. Enough people are okay with getting ripped off though it seems, or the model wouldn't work.
i hope you had an excellent christmas aswell as everyone else
13:45 wtf are you on about "if you want to...". I don't agree that selling DLC characters is a terrible thing, but if you want to stand any chance of going online against DLC characters, you pretty much do need to buy them so you can test their shit in training mode. It's not as 'optional' as you make it out to be. It's hugely detrimental NOT to buy the characters.
Highlights: 23:09 and 32:22
I had tears of laughter thanks daddy. The martial arts guy got me good
And the got hellswept
Wait, so for example i've just bought the game, and i am to play ranked matches with my characters all being "Beginners", i won't get any matches? :(
11:20 The next time someone says that "Tekken 7 has had more characters upon release than most fighters", I am going to absolutely lose my Shit!!
I am about to buy the Ultimate Edition on PS4. That comment on 3:21 made me unsure about it.
Do I get everything or not buying it? All season passes? All DLC?
Greetings from Germany
You get everything except for the season 3 dlc.
@@nicorobinorsomething Thanks a lot. You saved me from a big disapointment. Then I will wait until they release the last Edition of Tekken 7.
@@irr3isont1Lt i dont think there will be another edition like sfv
@@yaniser3195 I'm sure there will be a complete edition someday. Every game with DLCs on PS4 I know so far released a pack with the game and all DLCs once they are done releasing additional content for it. Some fighting games just tend to make it confusing.
youll have to wait till spring 2020 for all season pass 3 to release and there is a chance of season pass 4, youll probably have to wait a while before getting a complete edition of tekken 7
I actually miss knowing who I was fighting and what character they were using. But I doubt they would bring that back now. If they did, all of the Leroy experts would get one game every 10 hours
How can i practice against thr dlc characters? I play tekken for fun but the competitive side is really fun so im jus getting into it
As a console Tekken player my only complaint is the wait time for matches in ranked. Tekken and DOA 6 have the best defensive options out there
The 2nd review he skimmed through actually mentions him by name lol
I didn’t know Charlie Puth was into Tekken
If you want to play against a cpu just use the practice mode. You get to lab characters and there are no load times. The only problems I got with Tekken is that you gotta pay for frame data in order to get better and the cpu on treasure battle. Mostly the cpu because I'll be on a streak then Akuma shows up with his instant teleport and 80% of the time, as soon as you press a button, your cpu opponent will have the perfect counter and get a counter half the time. Before your finger leaves the button you're getting juggled. It's not just Akuma that does this it's all the cpu opponents. Just that Akuma is guaranteed to end your streak.
Imagine if ur mom learned how to hell sweep
guys so should i play with my ps4 console instead of pc ? are there more players in console ?
people probably hate the DLC and the price because they remember having more characters (etc 40 at tekken 6) with more singleplayer content with just 60 bucks and now they have to pay 70 for tekken 7 with smaller roster less single player modes and if they want to have characters that they had from previous tekken games they have to pay (and when i say they have i mean they cant use them in training to learn how to counter them frame data etc etc) i get their point but thats modern gaming and all games do it... So to sum it up. Previous tekken games had more content with much less money
No dude. Do you people fucking play anything outside of tekken? They are selling tekken with ONLY 2 season passes, with a few characters each, for 90 fucking $.
YOU ARE LITERALLY PAYING FULL PRICE OF LAUNCH PLUS THE DLCS FULL PRICE. Tekken 7 is 10$.do you see the problem?
An industry standard, which would also be kinda greedy as well honestly, would have been tekken 7 ultimate with all characters including s3 characters, frame data, tekken bowling and all the other crap, for 29.99$, 39,99$ if you are out of touch and desperate.
And selling frame data...thats a new low. Its not a game mode, a character or stage, its a fucking mechanic for training. Its literally like selling a tutorial mode or practice mode. Its beyond pathetic.
kato093 Whoa who’s dude chill out lmao I agree with you but it isn’t that serious.
@@kato093 did you read my comment at all? like at all? at what point do you see me support a company that sells ultimate edition game AND they tell you that Season 3 is not in it? Im telling you that thats the modern games we get now..All games now have season pass less content etc etc.. im not saying that i agree with it or that is fair.. it is disrespectful to the buyers. But what can you do.. even if you stop buying there are millions who wont stop buying.. Of course i bought Tekken 7 when the price went low enough and of course i will never pay for a content that i had in previous games.
@@Arahan96 yes i read it. You on the other hand didnt read mine.
You are strawmanning just like mainman. A wrong strawman. People hating on tekken 7 has nothing to do with previous tekkens or the content sold or whatever.
Its simply bullshit that they are selling tekken 7 with season pass 1 and 2 for 90$ when you can buy tekken 7 for 10$ and the 2 season passes 8$ to 12$ each (still overpriced as fuck). Thats 34$ at most. They want you to pay 90$ for an "ULTIMATE" edition thats not only incomplete, but its lamlst 3 times more expensive than market price.
Its like a shop selling a 2 for 3. Wtf is the point but steal money from people that dont know any better? They can have 120 characters, 20 characters each season with 20 stages and a bazillion costumes and game modes. Doesnt change the fact that they are literally trying to SCAM people. Tekken 7 ultimate is a scam.
@@kato093 hey man you are totally correct about the pricing problem. However, you are still misreading the context of the original post. Have a nice day :)
23:36 Leffen is that you?!
You can in for honor. Its not real fighting game but it does allow you to lab everyone. You also dont have to buy them with cash.
I agree with all you said about the DLC's keeping the game alive, but I would insist to give the players the chance to lab unowned characters in practice mode. A Ganryu used that weird endless hop slap on me online and I didn't know what to do, and had no way of finding how to counter it...
Are these pre or post Leroy haha
mmmm i wonder honestly 🤔
Different. You can see the dates here.
Wait until the comments about Leroy, a lot of salty players will rant about him.
miguel bueno 😂😂😂
@@archlight611 isnt he not broken tho?
One of my biggest gripes with the game is dlc characters being locked away in practice, completely empathize with that opinion.
While watching this video, I realized how much of a bad sport I was when I left after losing once in my first player matchs. I didn't leave because I was mad. I didn't realize I should probably do a revenge match lol.
Tekken 7 reviews on the xbox store are pretty funny too.
The jist of it...
-"DLC exists!"
-"4$ for frame data!" (from a director that has always said he hated it, but actually compromised for the community's sake)
-"I can't play anyone online!"
-"The person I just beat/lost to didn't rematch!" (even though it's completely their choice and are owe no one anything)
-"I ACTUALLY LOVE THIS GAME!" (but downvotes anyway)
1 - Majority of DLC is bullshit (especially if it's just characters from Tekken 6/Tag 2 with rebalancing and a costume variant), only real exceptions to that being something like RDR's Undead Nightmare.
2 - Okay, I'm gonna make a food product, you can buy it in any store, but if you to know the ingredients, you'll have to pay me.
3 - That one depends on location/connectivity, so it's normally only an issue for certain people, others might be getting match after match.
4 - True, but courtesy is not a bad thing to expect or wish from an online gaming community.
5 - You can like the core of the game and enjoy it (T7's base is amazing), but have issues with bullshit practices such as removing the majority of the cast and offline modes.
I cant believe harada hates frame data when the game is made around having punishers for different frames
26:34
I tried Kazuya in Ranked since I don't want to play Alisa anymore and I lost 30 times in a row against a Steve. Was I bad? propably.
But I got better during each match. They left after 2 wins of mine.
From a business stand point this kind of "no touching unless you buy it" approach to DLC characters definitely makes them the most profit.
Even if you extremely generalize and extrapolate the character usage and labbing - that's 50 people wanting to get access to the character to lab it, to 1 person who would actually end up playing it.
*that's 50 times LESS profit* if you just let people lab the new bois for free.
How can you say "no, I actually have integrity" to *that* kind of cash grab?!
Of course every fighting game dev is going to do this shit!
That's how mafia works.
Sad but probably true.
funny that the second one that was too long for SWE to read mentioned him directly.
That was the SFV Beta that only had online. The actual game had training mode and what not once released.
Did you compare a 2D to a 3D game you do realize both game's aren't in the same level in budget money right?
A Bob I kept seeing in green ranks 2-3 months ago with no skill literally just spams strings, lows, grabs and power crush is now a 'Tekken God' by rage quiting so he doesn't lose his rank
Stop defending tekken devs. I love them but they're greedy with their pricing.
Namco Bandai was one of the last studios I ever had hope for. When a lot of companies started selling bullshit DLCs for ridiculous amounts, they still gave us a full experience, and only requested extra for some small characters which didn't impact on the core game, even without them you had a full product worth buying. Now it seems like they went with that bullshit "gaming as a service" practice which is inherently anti consumer.
8 dollars for one character that with the same amount of money I could feed an entire village in Tahiti.
@@TheCynicalAutist to be fair the game was meant to die after season 1, so 2 more seasons of my favourite game is definitely not something I will complain about, making new characters costs money dude, especially the real new ones who need new animations and voice lines and all that other stuff
besides even with no DLC it's still almost the same game you thought was worth buying in season 0
If and how much money is charged for something isn't the developer's call
Well no one will forced you to buy Tekken 7 DLCs
You can just look it at up at the internet for their frame datas and moves.
"Will ruin your life" is that you, LTG?🤣🤣🤣🤣
Look, I love Tekken 7 - but you all have to admit the business module is horrible and very anti - consumery.
Some people seem to be confusing Season Passes with Annual passes, but there are valid criticisms in this vid!
Dlc is in fact overpriced. If you combine all of them it goes nearly close to 3x the value of the game.
Also, depending on where you live things get a lot worse. I live in Brazil and the game with all dlcs costs R$ 353,68 on steam. Thats a little bit over 1/3 of the minimum wage here. For us, it's really hard to pay such price.
Also, there's no excuse for making frame data a paid thing, especially when it's one of the most important things to learn. DBFZ got an update in training mode with frame data and a lot of other improvements for free after more than 1 year of release. So why does Tekken's have to be paid ?
I found it quite cheap tbh. Im like picking 2 or 3 Charakters i like and get them and thats not that much at all especialy on sale.
your arguing over something that got released over the course of several years, yes if you look at the total price after everything is already out it can start to look overpriced, but its not like these things came out at launch, they were appropriately priced when they came out and still are
@@sgr_sean I know it's been released as time passed. But this is exactly why a lot of people complain. If you want to get into the game now, if you have pay a huge amount immediatly and other people who may want to start next year will have to pay even more.
And no. It's not approprialy priced, or are you going to tell me that 5~6 characters as dlc is worth the same amount as a AAA game (such as Sekiro, Death Stranding, DMC5) ?
@@TheSasukeExtreme 1. way more than 5 or 6 for 60$
2. base game is what your paying for, the rest is extra content that was never even guaranteed to be a thing. you just sound ungrateful. people saying their not getting the "Full game" are full of shit, because even the devs themselves have said the dlc was never guaranteed to happen, its only because the game was supported so well that it happened, and here are ungrateful people like you bitching because it costs more all together.
@@sgr_sean Ungrateful ? Why should I even be grateful in the first place ? They've never given us anything free. It was all paid. And how de we keep competitive if they release a bunch of characters that you can't even lab if you don't buy them ?
If anything, they're just taking the opportunity to make the same amount of money they made with the full game but with less than 50% of the work.
For people like you, who have spare money to throw at their feet it's ok. But for people who don't have much left after dealing with monthly outcomes it's completely bullshit.
On every PC game you can go offline mode and unlock everything the game has to try out stuff. ALSO DOA6 is Free2play and Cash content is only costumes
The Wizard of the Dark Lord Saber drinks a lot when playing this game . . . that's all I got.
Four years late but this got recommended to me and the first reviewer cooked
for me it's the price of the dlc that is the problem. say you by the base game and all 3 season passes. that total cost is far in excess of a full priced game. I'd probably consider it worth it if the dlc characters had their own chapters and endings.
I play games like overwatch with around the same amount if not more dlc characters and many more maps. ALL THE DLC ARE FREE even games like siege and apex you can grind for a few days to get the new characters.
23:35 its funny because LEFFEN in his review of tekken said that Fox from smash bros melee is the most technical fighting character that exist. Chat was like "cool story bro" but he was convinced that this is the case
There is no way you can convince anyone that Melee is not one of the most technical games to play competitively tho. Since Fox is the best and most technical character of that game, it's safe to say that isn't too far from the truth.
@@BeretBay I agree to disagree with that statement. Altho melee is indeed a VERY skillful game with a lot of small things to learn probably your whole life, I disagree it is the most technical.
I even disagree that in this game fox is the most technical character. Ice climbers(with the whole desynchronisation shenanigans) and peach(with her rng factor which forces you to adapt on the spot) are more technical imo.
It'd be cool if DLC content was on a free weekly rotation so that people could at least try the DLC character before making a commit or just be forced to wait a while for the next rotation. DLC doesn't have to be bad for a game if the companies do it right. I think T7 can enjoy a lot of quality of life updates over time like graphical updates etc. I might be wrong, but wouldn't it be better to have DLC instead of having the team's resources split working on a brand new game from the ground up while T7 doesn't get any updates leaving lots of time for the game series itself to die for a while until the next large standalone game? Also if Namco creates Tekken 8 or like TT3 as a different game than T7, we'd lose the guest DLC characters right? So that's like us losing content no matter what. Anyways, I think having DLC on a rotating weekly cycle would work well or at least alleviate some of the barrier into the game. Not only for Tekken, but for other game genres as well. Yes, League of Legends kind of inspired this idea.
If DLC was free then say good bye to tekken forever lol
Bro are you seriously comparing this to MOBA games!!.....what an idiot!
23:42- as someone thats played both games since their first editions that floored me too fam 🤣
To the dlc gripers though: i see both sides of argument. Ex. Lei was one of my favorite characters in T2 (sorry swe lmao) so to see him and a handful of the other og characters be treated as after thoughts was kinda odd at first. And A LOT of the dlc was basically updating old characters (even fakumrum aka new bruce...). I get what you were saying on the dev side tho that they had to slim things down to due to failures of tag2... overall i think people would have felt less slighted if dlc had more new characters (like negan noctis, leroy, geese etc... smash is actually really good about this) and less reboot characters that people felt shoulda been there from the jump... I’ll forever miss the days of grinding out missions for secret characters though in general ... def most balanced entry in the series, but someone needs to give leroy a chill pill lol (coming from a leroy fan)
I get the argument for Tag 2 from a pro view, there were a lot of characters, but that was the whole point. It was a party game designed to cram almost all past Tekken characters into one cohesive and fun package. Sure, it was not the most balanced, but that was clearly not the main goal, since it wasn't a main numbered title. Now with Tekken 7, sure, in terms of a game for professional tournaments, it's very well made, the basis is there, but for the 99% of people who want to buy a game and actually enjoy it, it's bullshit. The story mode was half arsed with a narrator that adds NOTHING to the plot. Why couldn't Lei or someone else do the investigation? Two, the amount of removal from the cast was too much. I get removing joke characters and those that were canonically dead, but to then reduce the roster below Tekken 6 was a pathetic attempt at trying to squeeze more money for as little effort as they could.
Those last fights in story mode were pretty hard tho
Thank you for reading my review and seeing my side, love your stuff brother
My major complaint for dlc was that tekken bowl wasn’t included for free and that its not multiplayer.
Mainman I'll be neutral
Also mainman defending the Tekken money problem.
Tbh when Armour King dropped I thought Harada is joking but actually the re-design and everything works he belongs in TK7. DLC well tough he was not supposed to be so yeah
I agree with how dumb it is that you have to pay for the dlc characters to be able to lab with them. I don't even wanna play lei.
I also read somewhere before that Harada actually said the LEGACY characters are going to be free. And guest characters you have to pay. Looks like Harada changed his mind
it's new CONTENT, if you want it, BUY IT, doesn't matter if you're gonna main the characters or not, if you want it on your console, you need to BUY the damn thing, what's so hard to understand?
@@bludika I'd say it's legitimate to complain about having to pay to lab against characters that you have no intention of playing.
@@bludika What so hard to understand of " i just want to lab" the character?
Its already in the damn game but its blocked by dollar signs.
its fine if we can't play the paid characters but let us at least go to practice mode and lab them.
@@thorrezz9778 because you're trying to use something they spent a lot of money, time, and manpower to develop, they need a Return on their investment, regardless how much or how little you're gonna use it, you may not like it, but if you want to use it for your own labbing, then you pay the price.
@@thorrezz9778 then pay for it, doesn't matter how you're gonna use the new content and if you're gonna pay the characters or not, you want to use it for labbing? then fucking pay for it, you want to use it because you want to use the characters? then you gotta pay for it, go get a fucking job and buy it, you lazy ass bums talk as if it costs an arm and a leg lmao, if it's a lot of money for you, then stop playing video games and get a 2nd job, you bum, stop asking for handouts
As a new player to T7 and fighters in general I would like to apologize I didn't know how strongly people felt about rematches. One thing I liked about T7 is you can just do a game real quick and if IRL happens you can just come back to it. I really just didnt know its a courtesy to remach people, so sorry to those I didn't rematch.
my only complaint is, wheres glen? I wanna make a TWD dream match
Honestly with the new popularity Tekken got if we got tag 3 it will succeed
These reviews reminds me of leffen trying tekken right now
TH-cam captions: Tekken Salmon
You said why do people care about the dlc, they should care about the gameplay . But dlc IS gameplay. You can't practice against characters that you don't own.
Get gud beeetch!
Kaneda Lo this is probably a joke but how can someone get good without practice????
Just dont rematch those characters. Or buy them. If you want to be good at this game and lab everyone, pay for them. This is almost like saying you want a discount on the whole game because you only play bryan. “Yeah you know, those other 500 characters.. im not interested, lemme pay you 5 bucks”
@@erik2757 Bit of an overstatement. So Incorrect lmao.
Erik Not really because the other characters come with the game ALONG with Bryan. Not the same situation with DLC characters
it's currently 15 bucks on sale
Part of me hopes for a Season 4. The other part hopes for Tekken 8.
i don't really understand TMM sometimes.
I mean, why are you surprised about dlc's complains ?
"You don't need to buy characters"
Wtf man, you got detroyed by Ganryu in the last video, and you even said " i have no chance I do not know the matchup and still need to lab him"
I mean, it is pretty clear that the people do not want characters be available fror free, but only want them to be unlocked in practice, so we all can lab them
tell me why i need to pay 60 euro of season passes just to be able to lab these chars in the practice mode. I have no interests in dlc's but i have lost the count of promos lost because opponent was a fucking lei or the most recent blatantly p2w Leroy smith.
C'mon man, be coherent once in your life
Also, regarding frame data, don't be so fucking stupid, ofc people do not whine about the price which is low, but whine because putting an option feature behind any kind of paywall is bad, and can be exploited in the future by other companies.
you need to pay because its new CONTENT, you're not renting it, you're gonna have it, so you need to buy it, i don't know what kind of fantasy land you live in, if you want something, regardless how much you use it or not, you need to BUY it, big deal
@@bludika big BS bro. Even fucking balance patch is content. But usually companies give these kind of stuff for free. I do not want the damn character, but i need to have the chance to lab him for free. Period
You gotta understand that tekken does a lot of right, so the main negative is gonna be the dlc issue.
Also, dlc pricing for tekken is kinda high for the very small amount of characters you're getting per season, especially compared to other games like dbfz and mortal kombat.
Why are you comparing a 2D game to a 3D game bruh, those 3D characters has more moves than any 2D character out there son
DBFZ is a much simpler game with 3v3 matches instead of 1v1s, so of course characters will be added a bit more frequently to DBFZ.
Also MK11s season pass is 40 fucking bucks compared to T7 S3‘s 25$(?).
Hey I'm not saying I agree, I'm just pointing out why ppl are making the complaints.
@@DocDreamTaker its because people are lazy ass bums who want handouts for every single thing
The Ultimate edition doesnt have season 3 even in the PS store
"pay to win" appliead to leroy last 2 patches
Lei-ism? I guess I should've not dropped out of the Iron Fist Academy...
Man it's good seeing the people who don't know or salty when geese was released so salty 😅
I 100% agree with the point that beginners too often get smashed in low ranks. At some point, people should just have a higher start-rank whichever char they play with. Its not like there is much room for fun if you get bullied out of online matches.
I had no idea you could manipulate your rank offline like that. Wtf Namco really.