Great video. I've been cross shopping these two cars back and forth for a while now. This is the first head to head video like this I've seen. I just test drove the gt350 yesterday. It's exactly as you said. She'll cut you if you're not careful. Scary fast. I went to test drive a camaro ss1le today but they had zero on the lot. I'm also looking at the challenger scat pack wide body. Anyways great video. Exactly what I needed. Not sure if the Camaro will be too tame for me after driving the gt350. Stay safe 🇺🇲
So I traded a 2014 gt500 track pack for a new (then) 2019 ss 1le from a local Chevy dealer. My main reason was the 14 was scary on stock tires... went through a clutch at 13k miles. ( purchased car with 7100miles, sold at 15800 miles) and overall that car was not a car to daily. It was epic and special and soo sexy looking also loved the recaro cobra seats were sick. That being said I went from like 30 miles to almost 39k miles in the ss 1le and I will say camaro handles sooo much better.. crazy good e E-LSD diff that has saved me from shit the gt500 would have not recovered from. 38k and same clutch from new!! Warranty vs no warranty in my case. And do I regret it yes but I know I would not have had as rewarding of an experience in the gt500 that tank was small less than 200 mile range from full tank to empty , no rear camara and can't see out of it. Just in general if you use the car as I do as a daily. Then the ss 1le can't be beat
I think they are confusing “tame” with “precision”. The Camaro SS1LE, is about getting you around a racetrack, fast. That’s it. Easy car to drive like a race car. The mustang would be better to be a street warrior, Camaro if your a track rat.
@@NappMotorsports Tame because the Alpha chassis is in another league compared to GT350/R. What most perceive as composed/planted feel in Camaro is actually down to the fact that the chassis is not a work in progress like Mustang/Shelby. I drove all three and bought the best chassis... SS 1LE. As a former Mustang owner I can tell you from first hand experience Ford has a lot of work to do in the chassis department to close the gap between these two. The new Mach 1 is not even close and seriously overpriced for a parts bin car. No thanks.
I’ve owned mustangs my whole life and after 2 days of driving my 2021 ss 1le it just made me sad how far behind ford has fallen and I mean in every department best bang for your buck this car feels like a f1 race car 🏎 💨
@@BigClaunch damn, you got a steal if it was brand new. I thought I did good getting a new 19 1SS 1LE for $39,736. BTW if y'all want to cool your balls in a SLE you have to opt for a 2SS 1LE. Even though the GEN6 Recaros are plummed for it the factory doesn't give the 1SS the heated and vented seats. (Again all the heating and cooling elements are in the seats though) Besides heated/vented seats the 2SS adds over the 1SS a driver side memory seat, heats mirrors with blindspot monitoring, heated steering wheel, Bose audio system, built in navi, wireless charging, for 19+ a rearview mirror camera, ambient lighting, I think an optional sunroof, soft touch leather panels on the doors and knee braces, and maybe 1 or 2 other niceities I might have missed. There are people who wire up the Recaros in a 1SS to utilize the heated/vented hardware built into them though. Pretty sure the Recaros offered in the Mustangs aren't built for heating/cooling like they are in the Camaros. EDIT: Also 2SS gives you dual zone climate control, where 1SS is just a single zone (or whatever you call having only one climate control setting for the whole car) climate control. Surprised I missed that.
@@Tusuperbis It's actually shockingly small. It's was talked about on Camaro6.com, but I got premabanned from there. I think the difference was only like 7.5 or 8 lbs between the two. Like I said even though the 1SS doesn't have heated/vented seats, they still have all the hardware built in them to do it which makes the Recaros pretty heavy regardless of whether they're in a 1SS or 2SS. One thing weird (and I think I remember this correctly) about a 1SS vs a 1SS 1LE is even the base sound system in the 1SS has an external amp, but the 1SS 1LE doesn't have an external amp, but you'd think they would be identical both being 1SS's. At the same time a 2SS gets the Bose system which uses an external amp, and it's the same system in a 2SS and 2SS 1LE. Again I'm banned from the GEN6 forum, but if you wish to investigate whether this is correct or not, it's talked about on there. I'm pretty sure that's correct though.
The 1le has more than 4 suspension modes. When you're in track mode, turn off traction then double tap the traction button and you should see the extra mode pop up on the dash.
Having driven a 2012 camaro hard- the massive A pillars obstruct visibility and make the corners of the car hard to place also wearing a helmet in the camaro requires some unique seat positioning. Who wins better cockpit visibility/head room camaro or gt350?
Btw, having a CamaroSS. The seats actually have a fan because it shares seats with the ZL1.. THERE'S A $150 kit to buy to have cooled seats!! Cool balls
So the gt350 is 528hp and the camaro is 455hp..why not bump the camaro up to 528hp and then compare.. the camaro with 70ish more hp would be a beast! The mustang would not stand a chance because the torque from the camaro would be around or over 500ftlbs and it would be a monster!!
I understand that but comparing two cars with one having a 70hp advantage is really not fair..the 1le definately handles better than the mustang but the mustang will make it up on the straights due to the higher hp making it look like it does just as good as the 1le, where if the 1le had nearly the same hp it wouldnt be close at all! Compare a top of line gt against the 1le then look at the results..
Great video guys. I have a GT350 and was very curious how the 1LE compares. Did you notice a visibility decrease in the Camaro, or do you just get used to it?
I bought my 2020 1SS 1LE new. I had just driven a new 2020 mustang gt pp2 and the day before drove a friend's 2016 mustang gt350 Shelby. I loved both of the mustangs. When I first got into the camaro I thought damn, its definitely different. Within 10 minutes of driving it, I was in love and after 1yr 3mos and 2700 miles, im still in love with it. It sits in the garage too much because of my work schedule but, I get it out on days off when its nice. Ive had several corvettes, camaros, trans ams, and mustangs in the past and I liked every one of them but, this ss 1le is a special car.
You guys should review a Camaro ZL1/1LE (Manual) for the channel. On the track with GY3R tires and for the street with a street tire like Michelin PS4S. The Alpha chassis of the Camaro is top level stuff. Nurburgring times not withstanding. 😉
350 vs SS, 350 because of its rarity and the engine. An SS1LE vs a GT PP2, Its direct competition, camaro any day of the week. But if you do pick the camaro, its a great bargain, you get most of what the 350 offers objectively for significantly less.
The GT with a PP2 should be a SS 1LE direct competition, but when Motortrend was able to get lap times equal to a GT350R it shows how special it really is.
"This will bite you". Exactly what to expect from a work in progress chassis and suspension. Because it feels dangerous it must be better right? Well not in this case. You forgot to mention the character the Mustang has. There I did it for you all good now.
@@NappMotorsports LOL... add 100HP to SS 1LE and on a proper race track, it would be so far ahead of anything Ford sells with the exception of GT500 TP and GT.
@@NappMotorsports noises doesn't matter. Its function before form, never the other way around. Car enthusiasts change exhaust anyways on performance cars. My 1LE has equal length long tube kooks headers with kooks high flow cats x pipe and kooks cat back exhaust. It puts that gt350 to shame in sound, performance, and $$$$
@@Tusuperbisepends on what you’re using it for. Not everyone cares about racing. Worth that said - the exhaust noises of the GT350 are not overly impressive to me. Sounds like a rice burner.
Camaro all day for me
To each their own!
Great video. I've been cross shopping these two cars back and forth for a while now. This is the first head to head video like this I've seen. I just test drove the gt350 yesterday. It's exactly as you said. She'll cut you if you're not careful. Scary fast. I went to test drive a camaro ss1le today but they had zero on the lot. I'm also looking at the challenger scat pack wide body. Anyways great video. Exactly what I needed. Not sure if the Camaro will be too tame for me after driving the gt350. Stay safe 🇺🇲
Just go with the 350. You won’t regret it I promise. The Camaro will definitely feel tame after the Mustang.
It's not tame, trust me
So I traded a 2014 gt500 track pack for a new (then) 2019 ss 1le from a local Chevy dealer. My main reason was the 14 was scary on stock tires... went through a clutch at 13k miles. ( purchased car with 7100miles, sold at 15800 miles) and overall that car was not a car to daily. It was epic and special and soo sexy looking also loved the recaro cobra seats were sick.
That being said I went from like 30 miles to almost 39k miles in the ss 1le and I will say camaro handles sooo much better.. crazy good e
E-LSD diff that has saved me from shit the gt500 would have not recovered from. 38k and same clutch from new!! Warranty vs no warranty in my case. And do I regret it yes but I know I would not have had as rewarding of an experience in the gt500 that tank was small less than 200 mile range from full tank to empty , no rear camara and can't see out of it. Just in general if you use the car as I do as a daily. Then the ss 1le can't be beat
I think they are confusing “tame” with “precision”. The Camaro SS1LE, is about getting you around a racetrack, fast. That’s it. Easy car to drive like a race car. The mustang would be better to be a street warrior, Camaro if your a track rat.
@@NappMotorsports Tame because the Alpha chassis is in another league compared to GT350/R. What most perceive as composed/planted feel in Camaro is actually down to the fact that the chassis is not a work in progress like Mustang/Shelby. I drove all three and bought the best chassis... SS 1LE. As a former Mustang owner I can tell you from first hand experience Ford has a lot of work to do in the chassis department to close the gap between these two. The new Mach 1 is not even close and seriously overpriced for a parts bin car. No thanks.
I’ve owned mustangs my whole life and after 2 days of driving my 2021 ss 1le it just made me sad how far behind ford has fallen and I mean in every department best bang for your buck this car feels like a f1 race car 🏎 💨
The alpha chassis is surprisingly incredible.
Agree and those with the blinders on do not know what they are missing out on and what frod should be striving to deliver to their fans.
I’m an 2021 SS 1LE owner but the GT350 is an amazing car, I stare every time I see one.
Agreed! They’re both truly incredible cars.
I got my 2ss 2019 1LE for 43k. Absolute steal, you can’t even think of getting a gt350 for that price. Both amazing cars tho! I’m a bit biased ;)
Agreed. You can’t go wrong with either car, both great in their own way.
That is a steal for a 2SS. Got my 19' 1SS 1LE for $37,900!! For a performance street car it doesn't get any better.
@@BigClaunch damn, you got a steal if it was brand new. I thought I did good getting a new 19 1SS 1LE for $39,736.
BTW if y'all want to cool your balls in a SLE you have to opt for a 2SS 1LE. Even though the GEN6 Recaros are plummed for it the factory doesn't give the 1SS the heated and vented seats. (Again all the heating and cooling elements are in the seats though) Besides heated/vented seats the 2SS adds over the 1SS a driver side memory seat, heats mirrors with blindspot monitoring, heated steering wheel, Bose audio system, built in navi, wireless charging, for 19+ a rearview mirror camera, ambient lighting, I think an optional sunroof, soft touch leather panels on the doors and knee braces, and maybe 1 or 2 other niceities I might have missed. There are people who wire up the Recaros in a 1SS to utilize the heated/vented hardware built into them though. Pretty sure the Recaros offered in the Mustangs aren't built for heating/cooling like they are in the Camaros.
EDIT: Also 2SS gives you dual zone climate control, where 1SS is just a single zone (or whatever you call having only one climate control setting for the whole car) climate control. Surprised I missed that.
@@JROC734 i wonder what the weight difference is between 1SS 1LE and 2SS 1LE?
@@Tusuperbis It's actually shockingly small. It's was talked about on Camaro6.com, but I got premabanned from there. I think the difference was only like 7.5 or 8 lbs between the two. Like I said even though the 1SS doesn't have heated/vented seats, they still have all the hardware built in them to do it which makes the Recaros pretty heavy regardless of whether they're in a 1SS or 2SS.
One thing weird (and I think I remember this correctly) about a 1SS vs a 1SS 1LE is even the base sound system in the 1SS has an external amp, but the 1SS 1LE doesn't have an external amp, but you'd think they would be identical both being 1SS's. At the same time a 2SS gets the Bose system which uses an external amp, and it's the same system in a 2SS and 2SS 1LE. Again I'm banned from the GEN6 forum, but if you wish to investigate whether this is correct or not, it's talked about on there. I'm pretty sure that's correct though.
I bought the CamaroSS 1LE!! I don't want to get cut! I'm old!!
Still a solid choice!
1LE best bang for buck race car out there.
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@@NappMotorsports Different class but yes.
@@NappMotorsports He meant for going fast not making a lot of noise and being slow.
I would go for the gt 350 intoxicating sound !!!
Can’t disagree with that
The 1le has more than 4 suspension modes. When you're in track mode, turn off traction then double tap the traction button and you should see the extra mode pop up on the dash.
Oh that’s cool!
Great review thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Having driven a 2012 camaro hard- the massive A pillars obstruct visibility and make the corners of the car hard to place also wearing a helmet in the camaro requires some unique seat positioning. Who wins better cockpit visibility/head room camaro or gt350?
Great questions! Mustang has better visibility for sure. Headroom as obvious but I believe the Mustang also takes it.
2012 is not even the same car. Thats 5th gen.
Btw, having a CamaroSS. The seats actually have a fan because it shares seats with the ZL1.. THERE'S A $150 kit to buy to have cooled seats!! Cool balls
Cool tip, and definitely a worthwhile $150!
So the gt350 is 528hp and the camaro is 455hp..why not bump the camaro up to 528hp and then compare.. the camaro with 70ish more hp would be a beast! The mustang would not stand a chance because the torque from the camaro would be around or over 500ftlbs and it would be a monster!!
Stock-ish to Stock-ish was the goal here
I understand that but comparing two cars with one having a 70hp advantage is really not fair..the 1le definately handles better than the mustang but the mustang will make it up on the straights due to the higher hp making it look like it does just as good as the 1le, where if the 1le had nearly the same hp it wouldnt be close at all! Compare a top of line gt against the 1le then look at the results..
The right match up wouldve been a z28 vs gt350 too bad chevy dropped the ball on that. Imagine a ls7 in a 6th gen chassis.
LS swap the world!
They planned to make one but 6th gen sales never were great. The 1le really compares to a performance pack mustang and it’s not even close at all.
Already been done
GT350 anyday
The noise itself is the biggest selling point. And the cup holders.
@@NappMotorsports You forgot to add oil usage, stuff rattling loose and vooblew engines... oops you said selling points, my bad.
Great video guys. I have a GT350 and was very curious how the 1LE compares. Did you notice a visibility decrease in the Camaro, or do you just get used to it?
Oh you noticed it for sure when trying to do a K turn.
I bought my 2020 1SS 1LE new. I had just driven a new 2020 mustang gt pp2 and the day before drove a friend's 2016 mustang gt350 Shelby. I loved both of the mustangs. When I first got into the camaro I thought damn, its definitely different. Within 10 minutes of driving it, I was in love and after 1yr 3mos and 2700 miles, im still in love with it. It sits in the garage too much because of my work schedule but, I get it out on days off when its nice. Ive had several corvettes, camaros, trans ams, and mustangs in the past and I liked every one of them but, this ss 1le is a special car.
How much does the GT350 COST? isn't it about $20k more? For that, take the CamaroSS to Hennessy.. For$15k supercharged 600hp! With a warranty!
Not sure on price actually. These are supposed to be the answer to each other though.
You guys should review a Camaro ZL1/1LE (Manual) for the channel. On the track with GY3R tires and for the street with a street tire like Michelin PS4S. The Alpha chassis of the Camaro is top level stuff. Nurburgring times not withstanding. 😉
I’d love to, but we need to find someone willing to throw us the keys haha.
@@NappMotorsports I threw a feeler out on FB in the 6th Gen Camaro 1LE forum. Hopefully someone reaches out to you guys.
350 vs SS, 350 because of its rarity and the engine.
An SS1LE vs a GT PP2, Its direct competition, camaro any day of the week.
But if you do pick the camaro, its a great bargain, you get most of what the 350 offers objectively for significantly less.
The flat plane is really the only thing my soul cares about lol.
The GT with a PP2 should be a SS 1LE direct competition, but when Motortrend was able to get lap times equal to a GT350R it shows how special it really is.
The GT PP2 is a joke compared to the SS 1LE reasoning behind comparing it to the gt350 instead, the real comparison would be the new Mach 1 vs SS 1LE.
Nice video ya'll
Thanks 💯
Cost, cost, cost! is the biggest difference.
The Camaro is 100% a bargin. Such a great experience for the price.
Dylan: "It cools your balls!"
This needs to be a shirt.
😂😂😂
"This will bite you". Exactly what to expect from a work in progress chassis and suspension. Because it feels dangerous it must be better right? Well not in this case. You forgot to mention the character the Mustang has. There I did it for you all good now.
Couldn’t have done it without your help
@@NappMotorsports No problem and you are welcome.
Mustang all day long Camaro needs to do a resonator delete and a backseat delete in the 1le
And maybe an extra 100 hp to keep up?
Not that much. On a track, the mustang wins by barely 4/10th.
@@gtrance3567 Throttle House has the mustang losing on the track
Throttle House test track is short, motortrend was able to clock a SS 1LE and match a Shelby GT350R track times.
@@NappMotorsports LOL... add 100HP to SS 1LE and on a proper race track, it would be so far ahead of anything Ford sells with the exception of GT500 TP and GT.
GT350 😎🔥😎🔥
So good. I need that noise in my life.
Camaro for the $$. Great video
Thanks! Glad you liked it.
Both nice cars but personally prefer the Camaro look wise. Mustang rear slightly disappointing and the side always remind me of a BMW.
But the noises!!!
@@NappMotorsports noises doesn't matter. Its function before form, never the other way around. Car enthusiasts change exhaust anyways on performance cars. My 1LE has equal length long tube kooks headers with kooks high flow cats x pipe and kooks cat back exhaust. It puts that gt350 to shame in sound, performance, and $$$$
@@Tusuperbisepends on what you’re using it for. Not everyone cares about racing. Worth that said - the exhaust noises of the GT350 are not overly impressive to me. Sounds like a rice burner.