Building a HAAS VF2! From Casting to Shipping!
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- Let's walk through the HAAS CNC Factory and "build" a VF2! From the casting yard to machining to assembly, QC & shipping!
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Oh wow that was so freaking cool. I just love how open HAAS is to allow you to film inside the factory. I got kicked out of the Okuma stand at National Manufacturing Expo here on Friday for taking a photo. They treated me like I was a Russian spy. Went over to the HAAS stand they welcome you with open arms, engage you with conversion. Always so helpful and happy to support education. Ok, rant over ;-)
That is insane. Also its a milling machine.WHAT on gods green earth do they think they have that is so new and special. A jet engine company I understand. But milling tech that is 30 to 50 year old technology, what do they know that EVERYONE else doesn't. That is just paranoia.
Agreed, especially in this day and age. During the Cold War you would rely on spies and espionage to get information on the latest Mig fighter. Now you can take joy ride in one and or purchase it for yourself. When I questioned the Okuma guy, his reason for no photos was that they could be machining a customer product. I said, "what you're machining sensitive products at a TRADE show"! I had my college shirt on and my badge that said "Teacher" on it.
NYC CNC They probably didn't have faith in their product and knew when it worked like shit, thousands of people would hear about it.
NYC CNC wow!!?! that's even worse.
When I was first getting into machining a few years ago, everyone seemed to be talking HAAS down. But the more I learn about them, the more impressed I am with them....and a lot of that has to do with their attitude toward videos like this and the small shop guys. I can't imagine dropping $150K+ on a machine and have the company tell me they don't want me shooting video of it running!! I told Novakon up front that I was going to vid everything I did with the machine......I don't think that worked to their favor near as much as it could have had they paid a bit more attention to the "finish" work before it got shipped to me. Anyway....I'd love to see a VF2 take it's place in my garage!! Thanks for the vid John!! Loved it!
Wow this is a really nice factory, looks like a great place to work. Lots of respect to HAAS for showing us all this
Congratulations to Ricardo. I hope you can live up to the high standards of the Haas instructional videos these days. They've been getting better and better over time. I don't think any other cnc machine manufacturers do public detailed instructional videos. All that the other manufacturers put out is strictly marketing material and machining p0rn.
Very cool. Always enjoy seeing what goes on in making machines like these.
Thanks to Haas for allowing you to record there.
I love they dogfood their own product. Using their own machines on their shop floor to build their products. High confidence in their own product.
You did not watch very carefully. The portion of the video where they walked through much of the critical manufacturing was sped up so you would not notice all the machines were NOT HAAS. Pay attention.
Mark's a great tour guide. Well done on Haas letting you do the tours and well done on putting up these videos. I love 'em.
It's like Willie Wonka's factory...but for machinists. Awesome vid John!
You wouldn't believe it until you see it. They have robots all up and down their turning department. The Umpha Lumpha's are in the robotics... It truly is an amazing factory!
And the golden ticket is your diploma from a fully acredited vocational technical college for Machinest trade....
Made in USA! Great video John. I would enjoy seeing where my TM-1 was built some day. Cheers.
Great tour again John. Would be great to see their casting operation(s).
Thanks John. AMERICAN designed,engineered,built!!!!! Great company, awesome machines.
And copies of German, Japanese and whoever else makes a good machine. They only copy other machines, they do not come up with anything new or original.
i am a amateur woodworker why do i find this fascinating thank you
John - good job of drawing Ricardo into the play-by-play.
John, this guy went out of his way to keep you happy, they know the power of the Internet!!!
Great tour! Thanks a bunch.
John-"cool getting to see all the things that you don't get to see when you learn to be a machinist on the internet" LOL. I felt the same way the first time I walked into a "real" machine shop after learning from youtube, books, and doing my best not crash my Fadal in home shop for a couple years. Seeing the amount of tooling a big shop has is just awesome, also makes me jealous=)
13:14 That guy just wheeled that back in there in one shot like a fuckin' pro. Great job dude.
Love the tour Hass
Im sure it must all seem very exciting, seeing all these clever machine's and some of the amazing functions they can perform.. I used to program and operate a Harris CNC lathe here in the UK, and did so for two decade's. I found it exciting for about the first 3 day's........After that, It was just a job......xx
we have 11 haas machines and cut aerospace parts from titanium and stainless steel on all 11. awesome machines! fast and accurate!
Excellent Video ! So Much to Learn ! Awesome !
It's cool that they build their machines with their own machines.
I saw a movie about something like that once.. the terminator
I see some other machines even on that movie like Okuma in 4:26
hi john. i am from Iran.I wish you success
John,
If I can borrow one of your words to describe this video, AWESOME! :-)
Wow thats cool thanks John
Beautiful Oxnard!
Where are?
caracas que top ,muito loco a fabrica haas ,ótimo trabalho .
very nice job you have thank you man
That was just too much fun.
I was hesitant to click the video because I know that's 15 minutes I will be glued to the screen!
I love the stuff even not too much edited, but his experience, content isn't common!!! He shows parts who must need subscription, likes etc!!!!
nice setup
Very cool. Thanks
2007 I had the chance to visit the DMG MORI (The name was Gildemeister back then) factory in Bielefeld, Germany and I had the impression that the DMG factory (where CNC lathtes and milling machines are made) looked much cleaner and better structured. The work places where assembly and sub-assembly production was made looked also more friendly and brighter.
That's because they're Germans, they have that Teutonic engineering magic ;-)
That's Is some awesome American made tools I absolutely can't afford.
thanks john for u r video
Thank you.
Cool video. I spotted several Okuma's and others in the Haas facility...
Yep. They use those to machine the large castings.
wow worth saving for
It was really cool to see them me using Makita cordless power tools at that scale when they're building million-dollar machines and I'm a homeowner
Great video. I used to work in an automotive tool and die facility. SNK bridge mills with auto pallet changers so the big cncs bring back good memories from your first videos. Great to see haas do so much in house.
NYC CNC We used to machine castings slightly smaller than the table itself on those bridge mills. Check out autolaunch on Google
I just bought brand new HAAS VF4SS :DD
Lukasz Krupa hows it treated you? Any complaints?
Good video of haas
They need bicycles in that factory. Loved the video, thanks for sharing it
They have them.
I'm glad to know, they produced CNC from their own CNC machines. A question that always came to my head since we bought VF2 and VF3.
You did not pay attention. Look at the part of the video that is sped up. Most of the machines are not Haas...especially large machines, lathes, and multi-axis. I have heard that Hass Mfg is a big Okuma customer. Lots of Okuma machines in that plant.
It is great thanks sharing this vedio
"Sponsored by Tormach" ... maybe, not or much longer ...? :)
NICE VIDEO
Great!
Hey, that's interesting they have a spaceship there. My spaceship worked well for me.
The original HAAS machines with plastic enclosure are colloquially called spaceships.
Didn't hear it mentioned, but are they not using palletizing for machining those castings? Would make life much more simple and the job faster, as the operator can load a new part in and dial in the next one while the first one is machined. Saves time and ensures minimum downtime on the CNC.
Thanks for the video! Is it possible for you to visit the foundry?
It looks like they still season their castings outside like the old makers used to years ago!
Well they dont have the room to put them inside anywhere. Also since they are powder coated the weather is not going to hurt them at all since they have not been machined yet.
COOL .
interesting stuff man, but my question is what is the lens on the cam u r using, it looks fantastic!
An awesome and cool video as always John, like the Starrett factory tour but what I always wonder is how they know how many machines to build and what the demand will be or are they all to order, sold before they're built? I mean, you can know the industry inside out and do market research only so far but to commit to building factories and so on when dozens of other foreign manufacturers are also catering to the same projected customer base, you'd think that market saturation would eventually begin to occur at the higher price points and suddenly everyone who needs a mill has one or chooses a cheap imported ripoff that does the same job for half the price. It just staggers me that there are that many businesses out there buying these machines day in and day out. One day everyone will have one!
SupraSmart68 they mostly build to order, stock machines are in limited stock.
I'm in the wrong job then. I need to build my own factory. Who wants a Supra Mill 3000? Lead time is only ten years.
+NYC CNC Did you happen to get any footage of the VS-3's with non standard enclosures?
I saw a glimpse of one in this video at 5:08 on the right (the triangular shaped cutout at the bottom of the left/right sheet metal pieces that ride with the table). Just wondering as that enclosure was my first "big" project, and I'd love to see it again (hopefully with some fixes applied LOL)
So there was a bunch of castings out in the yard but I never saw anything that looked like a foundry in either video so where are the castings coming from?
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Awesome video. Haas mills are bad ass.
Haas the most user friendly machines and my favorite . But damn they are not rigid enough at all and that’s something they really need to improve on. Super hard time machining titanium
How is the ground plane for the rails machined? Is it grinded or just milled?
Cool! You should had shown some electronic and software part of the process too!
Xano Trevisan Kothe you really aren't missing much. Unless you like to watch electrical components being installed into a cabinet :) .
Then they get tested by hooking them up to a "machine simulator." Basically test rigs with motors, sensors, etc; if it comes out of the cabinet then it gets hooked up to something. This way they're not sending controls with faults over to assembly.
Plus, if you've seen the inside of one Haas control cabinet, you've seen them all. When I left at the end of '09 you would see a vector drive that does dual duty as a spindle drive & DC power supply, few different controller boards, and some servo amps (among some other ancillary components).
Only difference at that time were the MiniMills which had a scaled down control cabinet.
Iceberg86300 I actually would like too see electrical components being installed and self-tests. i am a computer engineer
Xano Trevisan Kothe Alrighty then! They had some some other misc stuff you would probably like as well.
...Yeah, I used to work at Burgmaster in the 1970's as Electronic Tech....part of how I judge a product, is the wiring....
Doug Ankrum I think both of you would like what you see.
There has to be a video, or picture series, of the guts of the control cabinet. All pretty modular and clean IIRC. I'm sure some things have changed with the next gen control and if yaskawa finally got their digital encoders to perform to their spec.
Big good
At 14:27 > "Sponsored by Tormach". :)
I always wondered if they used HAAS machines to make HAAS machines. Seems like they mostly do.
Mostly. They have a few Japenese machines for doing larger work and a couple robot cells. They have open house where they will give you food, drinks, and shuttle you around on a golf cart to tour the facility. If you ever get the chance I highly recommend it. Its a pretty cool tour.
Super stable and smooth walking video! Which gimbal / camera are you using? Thanks!
NYC CNC thank you!
Haas builds really cool smaller tools. Especially 50 taper. But when you get up to the vf8-10 area they are total junk. We had to sell them and buy awea bridge Mills.
which casting process they used to manufacture those structural components.
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mexicans working hard as usual. shout out to those boys!
Neat video man. Wonder how long they will support these controls? Sucks that they quit supporting older controls that pretty much makes the older machines with a small or big problem junk.
They support all of there machines still. It may not be cheap, but you can buy anything you need to repair a haas from haas.
@@bobsbillets8863 you can no longer get the mainboards for for some of the older machines and would have to upgrade the whole control. That cost might not make sense on an older machine.
That big bed mill is a HAAS vertical traveling column, I don't recall them offering something like that to the public. How much of the HAAS equipment did they custom build for making their machines?
No, the machine cutting the VF2 bases.
EFormance Engineering So the VS3 (definitely looks like one)
It was a big 50 taper machine, like an 8 or bigger. It's the machine pictured in the thumbnail.
Just curious if those castings are iron or a composite like epoxy granite?
I wish my company would buy some new ones. We have been using the same one since 1995.
How long do they age their castings outside ?
hi
i love you videos
what is your job
we have a vf2ss.. and yes, it is dangerously fast.
Were all the machines used to machine the machines Haas made machines? If so, how were those machines made? If not what machines do Haas trust to make their machines?
I would say 80% HAAS 20% Japenese. They have some pretty big machines there for doing work on the castings that they dont build a machine with the working envelope to properly machine it. Or at least thats how it was when I toured the factory many years ago.
John,
I may be wrong, but in this video (9:15) I just noticed the assembly guy just plonk the Z on the base and used his pneumatic driver to screw it down. Doesn't haas do any checking of the base and the Z perpendicularity? Whats the % of contact between the two machined surfaces?
Naresh Sharma they didn't show him finish the job.... I'm sure they do.
Scott Moyse, that's exactly the question, since it doesn't appear so. Do you know what precisely do they do to ascertain that all is dialled in before that pneumatic driver gets to work?
Naresh Sharma. I'm sure they know what they are doing ;)
Julius Jahn, Well, they must know what they are doing ;-), but that does not answer my question? Neither does it tell the % of contact between the two surfaces, or how does anyone adjust the alignment, once things are bolted as they are. There are some very modest MTBs that spend hundreds of hours scrapping the two mating surfaces for a perfect contact, clearly HAAS does not do that and relies on machined surfaces for contact, but that 9:15 segment, blew my mind!!! :-)
Naresh Sharma both faces are either machined or ground, which gives enough surface area for what it is. You scrape when you want something under like 2 tenths
That's JIT? How busy is the machine shop?
Chicken n egg! Then who made the first HAAS machines? Where their precision came from?
Did you get any video of there grinding department? The surface grinders must to huge.
They don't grind anything it's all milled I think?
Surely the ways are ground.
@@Ohenry92 they use bolt-on linear rails...
@@crazyg74 Star brand from Germany usually.
I dig the North American production. I really love HAAS, everyone bags on them. But anything the big dollar machines can do, so can HAAS for a fraction of the cost
I have made millions$$ on them :-) There are better machines out their but if you don't need to hold .0001 all day long then a Haas will do just fine. Honestly how you tool up and program your machine will make all the difference in the world. Even if your machining on an old stupid FEMCO. BTW don't buy a FEMCO Mill (insert head slap here)!!!
Any idea where the castings are made?
Texas.
My industry is the food and beverage manufacturing industry in that we supply and install the process equipment the manufacturer uses to make their products. Companies like Coca-Cola and Pepsi to name a couple buy pumps, valves, tanks and the like from us and we do the installs. As you can imagine, we deal with a lot of stainless steel. Tubing, hangers, pumps, valves, flow panel are all in stainless, either 304 or 316L. My question is, if I want to get a CNC machine, which I know nothing about besides watching a few of your videos, where would be a good place to start as I want to manufacture my own panels and possibly fittings and other parts. Seems to be no shortage of work for machine shops but certainly a shortage of work for stainless welders. At least in my micro economic market of Phoenix, AZ.
Any VF series. I would pick up something used. Plenty of used parts around should you need something. Just depends on the table size you want. Get one with a gear box, not direct drive. That will be better for cutting steels. Direct drive is generally better for high speed aluminum.
My job has the vf2 but not the ss. Is the ss just faster?
Yes, thats it. And the way they achieve that is steeper pitched ball screws. In my opinion the SS machine would be slightly less accurate that a standard machine becasue of that. That is just my opinion of course.
13:26 Go SABIC go,
What do they use to build their biggest machines? More setups I guess?
Japan made mills. You can see some of them on even on Haas factory tour video.
Anonymouspock large double column Okuma's
Is it Just me thinking of the half life beginning scene when they walk through the shop?
can one purchase directly from factory or u have to go through a distributor?
HFO. You can pick up directly from Oxnard though. I have picked up parts for my machines there becasue HFO didnt have it in stock.
Where is this facility???
I don't see that surfaces for linear ways are grinded
I'm surprised HAAS doesn't have their own foundry.
Lou Kola is there a problem with that?
Lou Kola Takes as much or more skill to engineer and produce sound castings as it does to assemble the rest of the machine. Hopefully they have enough stock on hand to allow the castings to age sufficiently before machining otherwise that tight tolerance they are built to will be out the window when the base and column move from internal stresses.
NYC CNC I'm sure it's possible as Edlebrock opened their 2nd of 2 foundries in southern California in 2007. Just may not be practical or cost effective when they already have at least one good source good source for castings.
Edelbrock foundry produces only aluminum castings, not iron.
Don't think there is much difference between Iron and Alumimum from an environmental standpoint. Both materials have specialized criteria for producing sound castings so I would tend to think that setting up a foundry for one or the other would be not too much different as far as costs...both being very expensive. I've been in the foundry business (on the pattern end) for 30+ years and it takes a huge amount of engineering to cast parts correctly.
Who makes the casting?
I wonder if the haas guys ever comment on your videos not to long ago where you had real vitriol and contempt for the haas machines and the haas corporation? I have always been a fan of Haas.
What was once farm for strawberries now produces CNC machines.
I guarantee you sold Hass at least one machine because of your Hass series of videos.
Hass means hate in german. Haas.
John, how long did they leave the raw castings in the yard?
Lou Kola As far as I'm aware though, cast iron has a tendency to warp if not "seasoned" by being left outside. A cursory Google suggests that I may be wrong on this.
Anonymouspock I'm sure all of that is taken into account. probably by the foundry company.
big place I touwl dbeen creepy/funny to see terminator statue somewhere.
Venus
But what machine built the first HAAS machine?
An Okuma
So I have to ask, how much for one delivered and tooled?
One milllllllllion dollars! Mwaaaahahahaas!
North of 80 Grand or so. Base price of VF2SS is about 62 Grand, but you're gong to want a bunch of features not there, and shipping. Some features are simply not just given to you for some stupid reason other than basic greed. Like a second Home position. No idea why that would cost an extra $500. Something like that is just a Bit Parameter switch. Nothing more. Spindle Orientation for other machines costs an extra $900. Which to me is absurd. There has to be orientation anyways for the tool changer and rigid tapping, so what gives? This "Nickel and Diming" shit sucks.
Haas aren't made to be the utmost precise machine capable of handling anything, but they will get the job done for many job shop owners getting into the VMC market, and a Haas investment can be wise. Under 80K usually for a first machine vs something pushing 150K? A good choice most of the time.
You'd be surprised how cheap they can go for different reasons. Our Haas ST-10 lathes we have at schools ran 6K$ each, base model.
gredangeo they can hold a tenth dude