I just realized that this mode might run into the same problems similar to the base game where the only killers people play are the high/top tiers because they keep nerfing killer as a whole in that the weaker ones can’t compete against semi-competent survivors.
@@generalpacman6414 the first 2v8 had this problem. Without Huntress or Nurse, gens were super fast and chase were super long. Huntress was in every game because of this. In this 2v8, people will play only Nurse, Blight, Huntress and Spirit (if they don't kill Spirit and Blight).
@2540pat yeah because survivors getting rewarded for being bad is fine, right? Also, survivors get all their favourite toys back, all these toys that create an unfun gameplay on both sides (killers have to slug, survivors get slugged). Yeah, I guess using the brain is whining
Honestly there is 150% chance that the rebuild pallets is going to become a perk that survivors get relatively soon. i really dont think they would make an entirely new animation for just a game mode
@@josholocko1132 mini realms dont really matter at the end of the day and what animations? i guess i also mean an animation for a core mechanic that survivors want to have. believe an event in the past had survivors doing stuff to hexes and eventually that became boons. survivors have been asking for a way to rebuild pallets and now that an animation is in play for 2v8 its pretty much guarenteed that is coming to them soon at this point
@jameysotelo540 Guess we'll see what happens but I doubt it will happen. Maybe a perk that can rebuild a pallet but it's only an "event" pallet which will only be able to stun the killer and then it automatically breaks
It's not really a new animation, the survivor does the generic healing hands animation and the pallet coming together is just the break animation played in reverse
A major reason why killers slugged during the endgame was because if you caged survivors they would spawn right near powered exit gates with their teammates. This would lead to immediate resets and having the survivor get a free escape. Slugging the survivor during the end, made it where survivors were forced to come to their body to pick them up. This usually lead to some potential pressure for the killer and allowed them to get comebacks. I feel there needs to be something done for endgame scenarios. Maybe make it where survivors don't spawn right beside gates when they get caged. That would probably fix the slugging issue during end game. But from what BHVR has just done,killers will be completely screwed in endgame. *Cage survivors and they spawn by powered exit gates *Slug survivors and they may have base unbreakable No comebacks allowed 😂
In my experience they were doing it when there were still gens being done and my teammates were being dominated. All they had to do was give unlimited unbreakable.
@@datboy038 And what happens to survivors when it starts to snowball in their favour? They made it clear what happens when killers start to snowball. What happens when survivors snowball? Could you give the timestamp where they tell what downside survivors get? I am not trolling here, I genuinely cannot find the part where they say what downside survivors get for snowballing.
I think the reason more people wanted to play Killer in 2v8 is A.) it was the first time you could play it with a friend, and B.) less stress when you have someone else with you
The main reason people wanted to play killer more in 2v8 is more of a subconscious thing. Having someone to help you out greatly reduces the burden of the role, meaning you don't have to do all the work alone. It becomes half as stressful to play. Also the "Every time survivors are hooked, generators go faster" is not a solution to snowball. It's a creation of a snowball mechanic. Now survivors will intentionally get hooked just to make generators go faster. That's how survivors think. They do the same any time they get any kind of edge, like the endurance off hook. 90% of them just run into the killer to tank a free hit because they've been given invincibility. You don't think they'll intentionally sacrifice two thirds of their lives to get an upperhand in generator speed? Are they insane?
in a sense they are giving survivor a "power" just like how each killer has their own unique power (Blight rush, Nurse Blink, Billy chainsaw). why not just let them fly over the mape edge wall and escape instantly? pretty soon survivors will be able to put killer on hook.
Do you seriously believe that? Do you actually think survivors getting interesting powers to keep players interested on both signs is a sign of sweeping changes to let survivors cheat and "put the killer on hook" in the main game?
@@aidanspradley9533 so here my hot-take, This mode will be Survivor favored OR killer favored by how long or how short cooldown is for ultimate ability. If you make cooldown short, like 60 seconds than survivor will be busted and imbalanced because you actively will be punished for anything you do as killer. If you make cooldown long like 90s than Slugging will be strong and allow killer to win.
The catchup stuff is so stupid as it can get abused, survivors can just leave gens at 99% to not lose the stack and killers will try to slug as long as possible to not give out the gen speed up. If you can REALLY feel that gen buff/debuff then what if killers decide to never hook and aim for bleed out since gen speed would drop so low it could be viable playstyle. Devs are so clueless about the game, it's a miracle the game is still running after all these years.
That can be fixed by making the gen slowdown from progress rather than completion, and the speed up from downs rather than hooks, but... fuck catch up mechanics. I'm sure most of us don't want them.
@@TheWhisperedOneDND Single mistake? Do you want list of what everything they made wrong? What everything they screwed up? SINGLE MISTAKE? I almost died from laugh. Hahahah... single mistake. :D "devs good" said nobody who play this game since beta. :D
@@MrNorbi001 so...we ignore literally everything they'd done well? What a positive and understanding community. No wonder this games a fucking poison to asym games the fanbase just oozes like toxic shit into every asym until they die
Speeding up gens after a hook is the single dumbest thing I have ever heard. Why does this almost seem like a skit? That guy in the hat seems like someone out of the Hangover or something. Look at his face when he says that and tru3 has it paused. He absolutely knows it's insanity. If we won't "feel it" then WHAT is the point of it? Good god....
They just keep giving survivors stuff for free. Survivors already require a lot less skill than killer, and they keep rewarding bad survivors. What makes it unfun most of the times is that they keep giving survivors free agency with little drawbacks and little to no skill required. I wouldnt mind getting outplayed if it actually required some skill for them to do anything. And we keep seeing survivor players being the most toxic players comparatively, and the biggest users of cheats, even tho the game already gives them free agency.
More and more developers across all gaming genres want everyone to feel good and have participation trophies even if they are getting outplayed or are not fundamentally good at the game they are playing. Its getting pretty annoying.
It's not just in games, it's across the board with everything. Schooling practices, parenting practices, punishing successful people harder because the governments don't want you successful, they want to maintain full control over you. Easy to do that when everyone is as tough as the Ghostbuster marshmallow man. Heavy topic to bring up but its the truth, we just been noticing it in games a lot recently.
They have created a game where 1 player plays vs 4. Of course they will turn it in a direction where 4 players (what are 80% of the players in a match) are happy with the endresult. And they even managed to give this side the feeling that killer is still to strong and survivor needs more buffs.... its absolutly insane. Now in 2 vs 8 of course they will make just "lil" changes like turning up gen speed if to many survivors are hooked, cause now you even have 2 killers...they need to feed the people. Im actually surprised they made a 2 vs 8 mode and not 2 vs 12
28:35 So instead of fixing the que times, all they did was make the killer experience more annoying so more people will que up to play survivor...... lazy asf
which doesnt even work. So many comments i see are going "oh i will just play 1v4 then" because simply making the killer side suffer (again) is not going to magicly make the survivor side more appealing. Escapes were so mutch easyer alredy in 2v8 and yet still the survivor side is even more boring over there because you dont have your perk builds and items. And the fact that litteraly 1 role is superior to the other 3, who are 2 of them medicore and the scout is simply useless. They dont get it, they never will. And again, just like in the main game, they cant decide if this is supposed to be a comp or party game.
You have to keep in mind, many of the devs are survivor mains and do play their own game. They are allowing their bias to infiltrate their product and playing it off so casually and nonshalantly. It disgusts me.
100% some dev got slugged by Onryo and gooped dead and decided "hey man! let's rework Onryo because I'm fucking brain dead and can't think to use No Mither, Soul Guard, Unbreakable and/or Boon: Exponential to counter the slugging, virtually rendering this playstyle obsolete!". -Yours Truly, That Dumb Dev
"Why wont killers just focus on chases and hooking different survivors without ever tunneling?!?!....anyways we're increasing gen speed with every hook"
soon in the next iteration of 2v8 mode, the survivors are going to stun the killers multiple times, t-bag killer and rebuild the pallet in front of the killer's face while the killer is tunned, flashlight them to blind them for 1 min and steal their weapon too, and fart on killers face too while at it
I'm at 11:15 and my interest in the revamped mode is already at zero. Killer is gonna be borderline impossible to win unless half of the Survivor team are complete potato and Survivor is gonna be a pain because they added Blight and Spirit alongside Nurse, so what are Killers gonna do? You will see teams of Huntress/Nurse/Blight/Spirit every single game (Huntress mostly because her aura reveal passives helps all of the strong chasers who will do the heavy lifting), it's only natural. Why would you play Trapper or Wraith when Spirit or Blight are available, it's a no-brainer really. Yeah... I will probably speedrun the event tome if there is one and that's that. Then again... 1v4 is gonna be rough as well because of split queues so you're gonna have to wait for 10+ minutes to get into normal Killer matches as well... sigh. Why BHVR, just... why?
Picking a survivor game is become the most important part of all DBD, ... and it is really boring, its much harder to hook someone trhen it is to actually down them...this dreadful experience we where saved from in the first 8v2 but now we need everything to be just like the normal game.... JESUS, I hate this devs...
If a survivor is under a pallet, forget about picking them up. You can barely do that in 1v4, imagine doing it with 50 mosquitoes flying around you. I thought this was THE REASON why they made the stomp a thing...
I’m surprised BHVR devs actually admitted they were surprised about how many players wanted to play killer. That’s literally the first thing my friends and I talked about the second it was announced. “Dude. We have to duo killer. That would be so fun.” You’re SURPRISED BHVR?! Really?
Also i think when one of the devs says the "no we didn't" i think this is a late response to the other dev saying that internally they were calling active abilities "ultimates". that is my assumption on why he was saying no we didn't because that seems the most logical. (i did just get to the part of chat clarifying this. didnt think someone would mention it so never mind)
The Killer cue time was horrendous last time round, waited an average of 20 - 30 minutes just to get into a lobby with my mate. I almost fell asleep a few dozen times because of the waiting time. The worst lobby waiting times was about 50 minutes, that was infuriating and to make matters worse the stupid lobby shat itself as soon as I got into the round.
Wow. Just when I thought dbd couldn’t fuck up worse they prove me wrong. Smh. All I wanted was trickster in 2v8 but at this rate I don’t even have a motive to bother with this game anymore. Like rebuilding pallets? If that becomes a perk I’m done.
I genuinely don't understand why they are rewarding survivors for making mistakes. If you mess up and go down that is supposed to be pressure for the killers. Not free gen pressure for your team because you got downed in 10 seconds. And you know survivors will be throwing themselves at the killers to purposefully get downed so when they get hooked the other survivors can slam the gens. Meaning killers will just slug. Are these devs really this incompetent?
The “No we didn’t” comment was definitely in regards to them saying they called the abilities “Ultimates.” It’s a little delayed, but I’m guessing that he just didn’t want to cut the other guy off. I don’t know if it was a joke or what, but I don’t think it was anything too serious.
Wasn't the basekit Unbreakable already an issue during the Finisher mori PTB? Where the killer would search for flashlight/pallet savers meanwhile the downed survivor would pick themselves up. And yet they think bringing flashlight/pallet saves back along with basekit unbreakable in 2v8 is a good idea?
Couldn’t they in theory use the speed up to 99 a couple of gens, then go back and finish them? Getting more use than intended out of the speed up? Or am I not understanding the mechanic?
... They showed exactly their logic stream when they said that they noticed how lots of people wanted to play killer in 2v8, so that immediately means survivor must not be fun, so let's change a bunch of shit to make killer not as enjoyable to play. Like. What. 2v8 was the mode you went on to kick back and have fun as killer. Stop trying to make it a super competitive thing. Ffs these devs are dense. .. aw shit. I think I left the stove on.
The most stupid idea they could come up with: PUNISHING Killers/Survivors for just doing their objectives (hooking, generators). So being skillful and effective at doing your objective will not matter because the other side gets buffed in return. They said they had issues with slugging, and now they punish Killers for hooking?! For me the greatest thing about the 2v8 mode as a Killer was the fast pace and chase focused gameplay. Downing a Survivor and just sending them to a cage in 1s to continue the action. What did they do? Killers now have to pickup wasting more time and even worse: care about 7 Survs that could potentially Pallet/Flashlight save.
Maybe people are wanting to play killer in this mode. They literally said they would like it if more people leaned more into survivor more since it was a little boring and stale. With that being said, making survivor a little more interesting would balance how the Q times more favorably so no more 15 minutes Q times for killer.
@@MrNorbi001 I no I understood, I'm just saying what it is, I'm on trues side and just because I agree on something that happens to be a survivor side doesnt mean I dont understand it lol
28:43 Essentially that. They make playing killer more miserable so that people would go for survivor instead. I mean, it is a valid way of fixing the queue problem but what does that say about their competency and perspective? Imagine if they did the opposite because too many people were playing survivor. Just imagine the fallout there will be.
100% there will be a perk to rebuilt pallets in the normal game in the future. 100% will start very long to not scare killers and later will be buffed. I just know this game for so long...
Survivors rebuilding pallets just to get hit by a hatchet or a nurse blinking threw it, idk most killers technically dont care about them but that's just a case of the strong getting stronger
I think that moment around 25:35 where the two gentlemen share and inside moment… I believe the broadcast of that show is done producer style where people are in your ear and the dev responded to someone on the other side… my brain knows it could be anything but I really feel the dude on the other side of the camera talking to them said something like “so you’re bringing back slugging or something no survivor likes, and the dev on the couch couldn’t help but say no we didn’t and the host tried salvaging the moment like woah no 4th wall breaks he’s talking to me let me warp our words together to kinda make sense but be confusing as well
If its like before and 4 people can choose the Flash light loadout that’s gonna be so bullshit and pallet rebuilding? (Anti slug is great tho i hated killers doing that for 5+ mins)
If enough survivors praise the bs pallet rebuilding it will 1000% be implemented in the main game with how incompetent the devs are these game modes are gonna be the new ptb n the actual ptb will be just for new killer testing
I've been asking for a pallet rebuilding perk for years. You would have to collect the pieces from 2 broken pallets to be able to make a new one, you can place them where other pallets spawn but you can't take parts from the same pallet or the ones you make, the pallets would stun for less time and and break faster but if you get a stun on the killer it would stun for half the time and break on impact considering its makeshift.
There wouldn't be a point to running the perk then because you waste time getting the pieces just for a killer with resilience or brutal strength to just walk threw it like it's nothing as cool as a perk like that would be it'll put your team behind (solo player perspective)
One modification to that idea is it takes 3 pieces to repair a pallet and one is always at a pallet that is broken when the perk is enabled. That would avoid the coding complication it would be to know what piece can and cannot be used where.
I’m predicting that this will make people want to play survivor less because there’s going to be top tier killers (blights and hillbilly’s) running around the map. 😂
2v8 was perfectly fine as it was, I felt I already constantly got out at least 50/50. all they needed to do was add more killers/maps!!!! why are they changing something that isn't broken!!!
another thing with the maps being bigger is that there is less walls to use as killers cant use lightborn so if the survivors have 8 flashlights you just cant pickup we wil have to see how this turns out but it might make killers too weak
So the point of this was to have a more of an interesting experience as survivor which would aim for more people playing it and would help the Que times a lot. The slugging thing did happen since there was more chances to slug objectively, but I wish they made a hook optional with built in fire up. The flashing light thing, idk why they’re adding it because wouldn’t that encourage killers to slug more often? Can’t use light more and people will prolly save pallets as well to get a pallet save which is backwards and the only change that i see becoming a problem. I feel like they aren’t getting the feedback from the community that actually know how to play the game. We will see
They should just make the queue in 2v8 you may either match as killer or survivor depending on what the matchmaking needs. If you’re in a party you might have to go against your friend. That would be fun imo.
In my experience with 2v8, killers could only really win (like 6k+) IF they did well right from the start and kept up the momentum all throughout. The anti-snowball mechanic punished them a lot more, especially with the addition of flashlight saves.
I really do believe behavior would benefit if they did small changes and adjustments more often than just doing a whole lot. Only change which im somehwat okay with is the unbreakable base since its ti some extent to counteract the slugging issue but, making it able to rebuild pallets and having killers waste time to pick up a survivor and then teleport/hook seems kinda pointless sinxe itll just incentivize slugging so i dont get that logic? I dont like the flashlight save opportunity to be back in at all. Im kinda hit or miss with the catch up system but its usually to balance the fun aspect in a way so one side doesnt feel like they are getting demolished, especially if they start playing better as the game goes on
i think its a good thing to add pick ups for the reason that it made flashlights very useless, pallet stuns also useless, the anti slug is was very much needed, i think they should also add a choose 1 or 2 system where if the killers cant decide between who gets what loadout then when the game will give one player that and the player who didnt will get the second class they would prefer, how they could fix this mode i reckon is just remove gens, the chase is what people enjoy most is it not, make 2v8 not about gens make it about surviving for a certain amount of time, its really that simple the main problem with dbd has always been gens (there the main objective for both sides really as yes while the job for killer is to kill survivors they need to protect gens in order to stop them from leaving which results in killer and survivor gen perks which infuriate people)
The killer was fine..They should have just added more to survivors making it feel like you have more options and gaining interest. They don't know balance. 😂 I also notice they only said that killer cant have the same class ... I don't think that applies to survivors. I bet the 4 killer classes is just the passive from the only 4 killers they had last time. So they can add the killers without adding anything. Recycling the killer abilities from the other 4. 😂
It sounds to me like a tug of war of sorts to stop snowballs on both sides. If like 3 gens pop in short succession with no hooks, gen repair speed will slow down a good bit. If on the other hand both killers down a survivor and hook them both in short succession before any gens pop, gen repair speed will speed up. Edit: Ok, made it to the part of the video where Tru3 realized the anti-snowball tug of war goes both ways.
TrU3 people weren’t only playing killer because of no MMR and more chases. People were playing killer so much because they can finally play with a friend. None of my friends are killer mains what so ever but during 2v8 that changed really quick.
These are some of the WORST game developers ever. 2v8 was fun because you could chase, kick, and chase again. And as survivor often times pressure was always split so you weren't always a target. Now those downs can be saved against, and since gens can go faster it's bad to hook a bunch of people, WHICH MEANS KILLERS WILL TUNNEL AGAIN. Also if they have the audacity to make rebuilding pallets a perk for 1v4, I will quit this game. Not joking, not an empty threat, there are pallets that have no counterplay, bringing them back ruins killer on maps.
Unless they change how the cages spawn, yeah the tunneling is gonna become more problematic. If the killer is a duo then one can be in charge of the tunneling and the other in charge of gen patrol
I think you underestimate how much playing with someone else actually matters, its inarguably the biggest point for 2v8 killer. My friend, who is exclusively a survivor main, almost never players killer even solo, wanted to play Huntress with me as trapper. She probably played more killer that week we played than I ever seen her play in an entire year of DBD. I am not joking. She literally never plays killer. She didnt care about having more chases. The lack of mmr system def played into it, more fun means less stress. Another player means less stress as killer. Thats a big pain point I see from some casual players, rhey hate killer because its very stressful and difficult. 2v8 alleviates that (I had to gen watch like an absolute maniac when playing with her LUL)
He definitely isn't underestimating team play. It's just these changes do not make your time as killer on this mode, more fun. It make sit less fun. This impacts even the players who want to play killer that never would have before. Now you can be pallet/flashlight stunned.... thats a huge fear for newer players once they experience it. In a 1v4, now its really a 1v8 in those situations it would be so easy to flashlight blind or stun. Aside from killers builds which aren't disclosed atm to their full implications survivor builds especially the inst heal and pallet rebuild that is going to negatively impact your gameplay with her.
You also mentioned, that you had to be the gen kicker because she wasn't really doing it, why? Because she was going for chases, hunting people, looking for them. That's what makes killer fun. Hell if they removed gen kicking altogether it wouldn't impact the fun directly, only by extension due to lack of time to actually chase people. Whole point is, chases are fun, that is what makes killer fun. Everyone likes going for chases. Or want to be chased. Gens are not fun never ever were they ever. So she was going for chases even if she wasn't 'meta gaming' or realizing it. That's why she had fun, no stress just chasing. Now as I said before, that experience will be negatively impacted for no reason other than to make playing killer, the mode she and you enjoyed together less fun in attempt to fix queues.
I am not paying for anything peek. Trickie Eileen said same on them ganking peeps on tekken paying 5 dollars for a stage change. Thank you all for speaking up for consumers. I cant have a hobbie anymore. Support your local arcades btw. They robbing us.
"So we have a problem with slugging. Anyway, we're going to punish killers hooking survivors".
😂😂😂
Should punish for slugging or having no chases
BHVR: We've heard killer is having fun in our new gamemode, let's fix that.
Well... it is possible to go nurse blight now...
I just realized that this mode might run into the same problems similar to the base game where the only killers people play are the high/top tiers because they keep nerfing killer as a whole in that the weaker ones can’t compete against semi-competent survivors.
@@generalpacman6414 the first 2v8 had this problem. Without Huntress or Nurse, gens were super fast and chase were super long. Huntress was in every game because of this. In this 2v8, people will play only Nurse, Blight, Huntress and Spirit (if they don't kill Spirit and Blight).
Killer mains whinging again😂
@2540pat yeah because survivors getting rewarded for being bad is fine, right? Also, survivors get all their favourite toys back, all these toys that create an unfun gameplay on both sides (killers have to slug, survivors get slugged). Yeah, I guess using the brain is whining
Honestly there is 150% chance that the rebuild pallets is going to become a perk that survivors get relatively soon. i really dont think they would make an entirely new animation for just a game mode
They've made lots of animations and even a mini realm for different events what do you mean 😂
@@josholocko1132 mini realms dont really matter at the end of the day and what animations? i guess i also mean an animation for a core mechanic that survivors want to have. believe an event in the past had survivors doing stuff to hexes and eventually that became boons. survivors have been asking for a way to rebuild pallets and now that an animation is in play for 2v8 its pretty much guarenteed that is coming to them soon at this point
@jameysotelo540 Guess we'll see what happens but I doubt it will happen. Maybe a perk that can rebuild a pallet but it's only an "event" pallet which will only be able to stun the killer and then it automatically breaks
'Entirely new animation' you mean the pallet being broken in reverse and the survivor gen animation?
It's not really a new animation, the survivor does the generic healing hands animation and the pallet coming together is just the break animation played in reverse
A major reason why killers slugged during the endgame was because if you caged survivors they would spawn right near powered exit gates with their teammates. This would lead to immediate resets and having the survivor get a free escape. Slugging the survivor during the end, made it where survivors were forced to come to their body to pick them up. This usually lead to some potential pressure for the killer and allowed them to get comebacks. I feel there needs to be something done for endgame scenarios. Maybe make it where survivors don't spawn right beside gates when they get caged. That would probably fix the slugging issue during end game. But from what BHVR has just done,killers will be completely screwed in endgame. *Cage survivors and they spawn by powered exit gates
*Slug survivors and they may have base unbreakable
No comebacks allowed 😂
so true. yeaaaa. let’s truth it up.
That makes sense but at the same time I’ve seen it done when 4 gens were still up
Don't imagine I'll be playing 2v8 this time around
In my experience they were doing it when there were still gens being done and my teammates were being dominated. All they had to do was give unlimited unbreakable.
2v8 needs to bring in hooks.
11:16 Yeah fuck them Killers, punish them for doing well. I swear, these Devs are lost 🤦♀️
From what they said apparently survivors will be punished too when doing too well.
@@datboy038no they didnt say that you're lying.
@@thedutywarlord264 15:00
Bhvr is possibly the most pathetic and spineless game development company in the history of gaming
@@datboy038 And what happens to survivors when it starts to snowball in their favour? They made it clear what happens when killers start to snowball. What happens when survivors snowball? Could you give the timestamp where they tell what downside survivors get? I am not trolling here, I genuinely cannot find the part where they say what downside survivors get for snowballing.
I think the reason more people wanted to play Killer in 2v8 is A.) it was the first time you could play it with a friend, and B.) less stress when you have someone else with you
The main reason people wanted to play killer more in 2v8 is more of a subconscious thing. Having someone to help you out greatly reduces the burden of the role, meaning you don't have to do all the work alone. It becomes half as stressful to play.
Also the "Every time survivors are hooked, generators go faster" is not a solution to snowball. It's a creation of a snowball mechanic. Now survivors will intentionally get hooked just to make generators go faster. That's how survivors think. They do the same any time they get any kind of edge, like the endurance off hook. 90% of them just run into the killer to tank a free hit because they've been given invincibility. You don't think they'll intentionally sacrifice two thirds of their lives to get an upperhand in generator speed? Are they insane?
in a sense they are giving survivor a "power" just like how each killer has their own unique power (Blight rush, Nurse Blink, Billy chainsaw). why not just let them fly over the mape edge wall and escape instantly? pretty soon survivors will be able to put killer on hook.
Do you seriously believe that? Do you actually think survivors getting interesting powers to keep players interested on both signs is a sign of sweeping changes to let survivors cheat and "put the killer on hook" in the main game?
@@aidanspradley9533 You completely misunderstood the intention behind the OP's comment.
@@aidanspradley9533Tell me you're not that dumb... 😂 You missunderstood completely.
@@aidanspradley9533 so here my hot-take, This mode will be Survivor favored OR killer favored by how long or how short cooldown is for ultimate ability. If you make cooldown short, like 60 seconds than survivor will be busted and imbalanced because you actively will be punished for anything you do as killer. If you make cooldown long like 90s than Slugging will be strong and allow killer to win.
The catchup stuff is so stupid as it can get abused, survivors can just leave gens at 99% to not lose the stack and killers will try to slug as long as possible to not give out the gen speed up.
If you can REALLY feel that gen buff/debuff then what if killers decide to never hook and aim for bleed out since gen speed would drop so low it could be viable playstyle.
Devs are so clueless about the game, it's a miracle the game is still running after all these years.
That can be fixed by making the gen slowdown from progress rather than completion, and the speed up from downs rather than hooks, but... fuck catch up mechanics. I'm sure most of us don't want them.
@@AmyLovesYou so many things in the game could be fixed easily, but you know the reality is no smart solutions are ever used.
BhvR: makes 4 banger chapters IN A ROW
People: yay devs good
BhvR: makes single mistake
People: they've never anything good ever
@@TheWhisperedOneDND Single mistake? Do you want list of what everything they made wrong? What everything they screwed up? SINGLE MISTAKE? I almost died from laugh. Hahahah... single mistake. :D "devs good" said nobody who play this game since beta. :D
@@MrNorbi001 so...we ignore literally everything they'd done well? What a positive and understanding community. No wonder this games a fucking poison to asym games the fanbase just oozes like toxic shit into every asym until they die
Speeding up gens after a hook is the single dumbest thing I have ever heard. Why does this almost seem like a skit? That guy in the hat seems like someone out of the Hangover or something. Look at his face when he says that and tru3 has it paused. He absolutely knows it's insanity. If we won't "feel it" then WHAT is the point of it? Good god....
They just keep giving survivors stuff for free. Survivors already require a lot less skill than killer, and they keep rewarding bad survivors. What makes it unfun most of the times is that they keep giving survivors free agency with little drawbacks and little to no skill required. I wouldnt mind getting outplayed if it actually required some skill for them to do anything. And we keep seeing survivor players being the most toxic players comparatively, and the biggest users of cheats, even tho the game already gives them free agency.
Yep I’ve encountered 2 killers that were cheating and at least 25 cheating survivors. Noted that I only have 1.5k hours so far.
More and more developers across all gaming genres want everyone to feel good and have participation trophies even if they are getting outplayed or are not fundamentally good at the game they are playing. Its getting pretty annoying.
It's not just in games, it's across the board with everything. Schooling practices, parenting practices, punishing successful people harder because the governments don't want you successful, they want to maintain full control over you.
Easy to do that when everyone is as tough as the Ghostbuster marshmallow man. Heavy topic to bring up but its the truth, we just been noticing it in games a lot recently.
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"If I didn't lock the door, then people could get in my house...
If people get in my house, they can switch off the stove..."
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LMFAO
They have created a game where 1 player plays vs 4. Of course they will turn it in a direction where 4 players (what are 80% of the players in a match) are happy with the endresult.
And they even managed to give this side the feeling that killer is still to strong and survivor needs more buffs.... its absolutly insane.
Now in 2 vs 8 of course they will make just "lil" changes like turning up gen speed if to many survivors are hooked, cause now you even have 2 killers...they need to feed the people.
Im actually surprised they made a 2 vs 8 mode and not 2 vs 12
28:35 So instead of fixing the que times, all they did was make the killer experience more annoying so more people will que up to play survivor...... lazy asf
Yeah the flashlight saves are weird changes.
Literally forces slugging, the thing they were trying to fix
@@damousx6860 especially like what true said when u down someone at a pallet. Its just a free save
They’re fixing the queue times by making killer less enjoyable. That’s the strategy 😂
which doesnt even work. So many comments i see are going "oh i will just play 1v4 then" because simply making the killer side suffer (again) is not going to magicly make the survivor side more appealing. Escapes were so mutch easyer alredy in 2v8 and yet still the survivor side is even more boring over there because you dont have your perk builds and items. And the fact that litteraly 1 role is superior to the other 3, who are 2 of them medicore and the scout is simply useless.
They dont get it, they never will. And again, just like in the main game, they cant decide if this is supposed to be a comp or party game.
It will never be a party game, bro. You meant casual. @@liandre9035
You have to keep in mind, many of the devs are survivor mains and do play their own game.
They are allowing their bias to infiltrate their product and playing it off so casually and nonshalantly. It disgusts me.
100% some dev got slugged by Onryo and gooped dead and decided "hey man! let's rework Onryo because I'm fucking brain dead and can't think to use No Mither, Soul Guard, Unbreakable and/or Boon: Exponential to counter the slugging, virtually rendering this playstyle obsolete!". -Yours Truly, That Dumb Dev
"Why wont killers just focus on chases and hooking different survivors without ever tunneling?!?!....anyways we're increasing gen speed with every hook"
soon in the next iteration of 2v8 mode, the survivors are going to stun the killers multiple times, t-bag killer and rebuild the pallet in front of the killer's face while the killer is tunned, flashlight them to blind them for 1 min and steal their weapon too, and fart on killers face too while at it
even the employees cant help but crack up in laughter knowing how shit the change is
I'm at 11:15 and my interest in the revamped mode is already at zero. Killer is gonna be borderline impossible to win unless half of the Survivor team are complete potato and Survivor is gonna be a pain because they added Blight and Spirit alongside Nurse, so what are Killers gonna do? You will see teams of Huntress/Nurse/Blight/Spirit every single game (Huntress mostly because her aura reveal passives helps all of the strong chasers who will do the heavy lifting), it's only natural. Why would you play Trapper or Wraith when Spirit or Blight are available, it's a no-brainer really. Yeah... I will probably speedrun the event tome if there is one and that's that. Then again... 1v4 is gonna be rough as well because of split queues so you're gonna have to wait for 10+ minutes to get into normal Killer matches as well... sigh. Why BHVR, just... why?
When The Truetalent laughs - you know the developers fucked up.
They took the route that Scott Jund wanted the devs to take.
“Every time a survivor is hooked, the gen repair speed will speed up
Slightly” ain’t no fucking way 💀💀🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The best thing about 2v8 was how chill and laid back it especially for killer now with pallet save and flashlight save this is mostly gone
Picking a survivor game is become the most important part of all DBD, ... and it is really boring, its much harder to hook someone trhen it is to actually down them...this dreadful experience we where saved from in the first 8v2 but now we need everything to be just like the normal game.... JESUS, I hate this devs...
If a survivor is under a pallet, forget about picking them up. You can barely do that in 1v4, imagine doing it with 50 mosquitoes flying around you.
I thought this was THE REASON why they made the stomp a thing...
these devs constantly want to punish killers for just playing well
I’m surprised BHVR devs actually admitted they were surprised about how many players wanted to play killer. That’s literally the first thing my friends and I talked about the second it was announced. “Dude. We have to duo killer. That would be so fun.” You’re SURPRISED BHVR?! Really?
Also i think when one of the devs says the "no we didn't" i think this is a late response to the other dev saying that internally they were calling active abilities "ultimates". that is my assumption on why he was saying no we didn't because that seems the most logical. (i did just get to the part of chat clarifying this. didnt think someone would mention it so never mind)
Each time a survivor is hooked the gen speed will increase… WHY BHVR!?
The Killer cue time was horrendous last time round, waited an average of 20 - 30 minutes just to get into a lobby with my mate. I almost fell asleep a few dozen times because of the waiting time. The worst lobby waiting times was about 50 minutes, that was infuriating and to make matters worse the stupid lobby shat itself as soon as I got into the round.
LOL now survivors have superpowers, good luck with this crappy mode.
Wow. Just when I thought dbd couldn’t fuck up worse they prove me wrong. Smh. All I wanted was trickster in 2v8 but at this rate I don’t even have a motive to bother with this game anymore. Like rebuilding pallets? If that becomes a perk I’m done.
The racing catch-up was a really good comparison
WHY are they punishing killers for hooks?
Two idiots talking about how they've ruining a game mode =]
Subhumans. Not just idiots.
Man this mode is ruined, all they needed to do was add a way counter slugging and add new classes / maps / killers thats it.
I genuinely don't understand why they are rewarding survivors for making mistakes. If you mess up and go down that is supposed to be pressure for the killers. Not free gen pressure for your team because you got downed in 10 seconds. And you know survivors will be throwing themselves at the killers to purposefully get downed so when they get hooked the other survivors can slam the gens. Meaning killers will just slug. Are these devs really this incompetent?
Yes
Those aren’t even real books on that shelf.
I bet they used those for studying 😂
The books are stage props.
They are on a stage.
@@peasantkyr their brains are props.
Ofcourse. Do you really think that they are hiring people what can actually read?
The “No we didn’t” comment was definitely in regards to them saying they called the abilities “Ultimates.” It’s a little delayed, but I’m guessing that he just didn’t want to cut the other guy off. I don’t know if it was a joke or what, but I don’t think it was anything too serious.
Tru3 reactions always the best
10:45 nah they did not just punish you for doing your objective are they that dumb already or what how is this fair in any way????
BHVR doesn't deserve this game. One of the most Incompetant dev teams I've ever seen Lmao
Licenses made this game. If those were pulled DBD would be screwed.
Wasn't the basekit Unbreakable already an issue during the Finisher mori PTB? Where the killer would search for flashlight/pallet savers meanwhile the downed survivor would pick themselves up. And yet they think bringing flashlight/pallet saves back along with basekit unbreakable in 2v8 is a good idea?
It's hilarious because they already solved a lot of toxicity and the problems on both sides just by removing the pick up animation alone
Couldn’t they in theory use the speed up to 99 a couple of gens, then go back and finish them? Getting more use than intended out of the speed up? Or am I not understanding the mechanic?
... They showed exactly their logic stream when they said that they noticed how lots of people wanted to play killer in 2v8, so that immediately means survivor must not be fun, so let's change a bunch of shit to make killer not as enjoyable to play.
Like. What. 2v8 was the mode you went on to kick back and have fun as killer. Stop trying to make it a super competitive thing. Ffs these devs are dense.
.. aw shit. I think I left the stove on.
The most stupid idea they could come up with: PUNISHING Killers/Survivors for just doing their objectives (hooking, generators). So being skillful and effective at doing your objective will not matter because the other side gets buffed in return. They said they had issues with slugging, and now they punish Killers for hooking?!
For me the greatest thing about the 2v8 mode as a Killer was the fast pace and chase focused gameplay. Downing a Survivor and just sending them to a cage in 1s to continue the action. What did they do? Killers now have to pickup wasting more time and even worse: care about 7 Survs that could potentially Pallet/Flashlight save.
Why would any good changes come out of an entire dev team of product pushing survivor supremacists?
They only care about THEIR side.
Maybe people are wanting to play killer in this mode.
They literally said they would like it if more people leaned more into survivor more since it was a little boring and stale.
With that being said, making survivor a little more interesting would balance how the Q times more favorably so no more 15 minutes Q times for killer.
Yet you still choose to play their game
@@poiint5354 Which gives us the most stake in deciding how the game is run.
@@damousx6860 It is really impressive how you completely missunderstood what TrU3 said in this video or what was said in this post. 😂
@@MrNorbi001 I no I understood, I'm just saying what it is, I'm on trues side and just because I agree on something that happens to be a survivor side doesnt mean I dont understand it lol
28:43 Essentially that. They make playing killer more miserable so that people would go for survivor instead. I mean, it is a valid way of fixing the queue problem but what does that say about their competency and perspective? Imagine if they did the opposite because too many people were playing survivor. Just imagine the fallout there will be.
if that pallet restore becomes a perk my nurse era starts
Most killers already ignore them but I guess that's just the strong ones
I mean there is literally no other option 😒 . My Nurse is a$$ but 2 months of training would help me 😑
100% there will be a perk to rebuilt pallets in the normal game in the future. 100% will start very long to not scare killers and later will be buffed. I just know this game for so long...
If they do that it’s actually the end for killer like tell me how a normal m1 killer can deal with respawn pallet
The gen speed will allow survivors to just pump all the gens to 99% super fast and just not pop them
Survivors rebuilding pallets just to get hit by a hatchet or a nurse blinking threw it, idk most killers technically dont care about them but that's just a case of the strong getting stronger
So what do you want? An ability to be immortal?
Rebuild pallets is insane good.
Ist crazy that you cant see that.
It won’t be too long where they will make perk where you will rebuild pallet
I think that moment around 25:35 where the two gentlemen share and inside moment… I believe the broadcast of that show is done producer style where people are in your ear and the dev responded to someone on the other side… my brain knows it could be anything but I really feel the dude on the other side of the camera talking to them said something like “so you’re bringing back slugging or something no survivor likes, and the dev on the couch couldn’t help but say no we didn’t and the host tried salvaging the moment like woah no 4th wall breaks he’s talking to me let me warp our words together to kinda make sense but be confusing as well
If its like before and 4 people can choose the Flash light loadout that’s gonna be so bullshit and pallet rebuilding? (Anti slug is great tho i hated killers doing that for 5+ mins)
I hope the 2v8 won't revolve around swyf vs kwyf
Maybe every time a survivor finishes a gen, they cannot repair a gen for 1 minute, absolute dogshit.
They never listen to killer because they never realised that it’s always 4 against 1
They 100% realize this.
They just play survivor and don't want killers to have any advantage.
They're survivor supremacists, plain and simple.
If enough survivors praise the bs pallet rebuilding it will 1000% be implemented in the main game with how incompetent the devs are these game modes are gonna be the new ptb n the actual ptb will be just for new killer testing
*did we leave the stove on?* "no, we didnt" bro is fighting schizophrenia over here
I've been asking for a pallet rebuilding perk for years. You would have to collect the pieces from 2 broken pallets to be able to make a new one, you can place them where other pallets spawn but you can't take parts from the same pallet or the ones you make, the pallets would stun for less time and and break faster but if you get a stun on the killer it would stun for half the time and break on impact considering its makeshift.
There wouldn't be a point to running the perk then because you waste time getting the pieces just for a killer with resilience or brutal strength to just walk threw it like it's nothing as cool as a perk like that would be it'll put your team behind (solo player perspective)
@@impliedmuffin6892 killers have resilience now ? Lol
@@Nami10481 👁👄👁 maybe
@@impliedmuffin6892 but hey....too many perks to keep track of, you might be right 😋
One modification to that idea is it takes 3 pieces to repair a pallet and one is always at a pallet that is broken when the perk is enabled. That would avoid the coding complication it would be to know what piece can and cannot be used where.
I’m predicting that this will make people want to play survivor less because there’s going to be top tier killers (blights and hillbilly’s) running around the map. 😂
2v8 was perfectly fine as it was, I felt I already constantly got out at least 50/50. all they needed to do was add more killers/maps!!!! why are they changing something that isn't broken!!!
Finding survivors fast was abselutly a part of the fun for me, it was fast action
They should've made gens faster everytime a survivor is sacrificed, instead of hooked.
Anything I ever hear is how to make survivors have more fun. Like I'm seriously tired of it. Killers are always left by the wasteland
another thing with the maps being bigger is that there is less walls to use as killers cant use lightborn so if the survivors have 8 flashlights you just cant pickup we wil have to see how this turns out but it might make killers too weak
So the point of this was to have a more of an interesting experience as survivor which would aim for more people playing it and would help the Que times a lot.
The slugging thing did happen since there was more chances to slug objectively, but I wish they made a hook optional with built in fire up.
The flashing light thing, idk why they’re adding it because wouldn’t that encourage killers to slug more often? Can’t use light more and people will prolly save pallets as well to get a pallet save which is backwards and the only change that i see becoming a problem.
I feel like they aren’t getting the feedback from the community that actually know how to play the game.
We will see
10:55 moment trutalent looses a braincell for hearing dumb decisions devs are making🤣😂
These devs have to one-sided for so long
sounds like they completly messed up 2v8 but we will have to wait and see
They should just make the queue in 2v8 you may either match as killer or survivor depending on what the matchmaking needs. If you’re in a party you might have to go against your friend. That would be fun imo.
In my experience with 2v8, killers could only really win (like 6k+) IF they did well right from the start and kept up the momentum all throughout. The anti-snowball mechanic punished them a lot more, especially with the addition of flashlight saves.
I really do believe behavior would benefit if they did small changes and adjustments more often than just doing a whole lot. Only change which im somehwat okay with is the unbreakable base since its ti some extent to counteract the slugging issue but, making it able to rebuild pallets and having killers waste time to pick up a survivor and then teleport/hook seems kinda pointless sinxe itll just incentivize slugging so i dont get that logic? I dont like the flashlight save opportunity to be back in at all. Im kinda hit or miss with the catch up system but its usually to balance the fun aspect in a way so one side doesnt feel like they are getting demolished, especially if they start playing better as the game goes on
How is this game even still going? Holy.
I'm so glad I quitted this bs long ago and never went back, even if it drew me there here and then.
he left the stove on when he was balancing the game
i think its a good thing to add pick ups for the reason that it made flashlights very useless, pallet stuns also useless, the anti slug is was very much needed, i think they should also add a choose 1 or 2 system where if the killers cant decide between who gets what loadout then when the game will give one player that and the player who didnt will get the second class they would prefer, how they could fix this mode i reckon is just remove gens, the chase is what people enjoy most is it not, make 2v8 not about gens make it about surviving for a certain amount of time, its really that simple the main problem with dbd has always been gens (there the main objective for both sides really as yes while the job for killer is to kill survivors they need to protect gens in order to stop them from leaving which results in killer and survivor gen perks which infuriate people)
I think with the class system, like survivors, if there's too many of one class it moves the others to another class in the pre-game lobby
So devs don't like to keep people waiting, that means that Myers and Freddy mains are not people? 😂
The killer was fine..They should have just added more to survivors making it feel like you have more options and gaining interest. They don't know balance.
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I also notice they only said that killer cant have the same class ... I don't think that applies to survivors.
I bet the 4 killer classes is just the passive from the only 4 killers they had last time. So they can add the killers without adding anything. Recycling the killer abilities from the other 4. 😂
It sounds to me like a tug of war of sorts to stop snowballs on both sides. If like 3 gens pop in short succession with no hooks, gen repair speed will slow down a good bit. If on the other hand both killers down a survivor and hook them both in short succession before any gens pop, gen repair speed will speed up.
Edit: Ok, made it to the part of the video where Tru3 realized the anti-snowball tug of war goes both ways.
The issue come from the fact you will and need to hook way more than you need to do gens. It like what. 8 gens vs 24 hooks
TrU3 people weren’t only playing killer because of no MMR and more chases. People were playing killer so much because they can finally play with a friend. None of my friends are killer mains what so ever but during 2v8 that changed really quick.
I know, I mentioned that.
@@TrU3Ta1ent My bad I missed that.
No bugs? Autohaven was broken the entire time....
Yea you could escape out of the map almost every game lmao
Survivors can now rebuild pallets? Great we have Nurse, Blight, Spirit and Huntress in our arsenal
These are some of the WORST game developers ever. 2v8 was fun because you could chase, kick, and chase again. And as survivor often times pressure was always split so you weren't always a target. Now those downs can be saved against, and since gens can go faster it's bad to hook a bunch of people, WHICH MEANS KILLERS WILL TUNNEL AGAIN.
Also if they have the audacity to make rebuilding pallets a perk for 1v4, I will quit this game. Not joking, not an empty threat, there are pallets that have no counterplay, bringing them back ruins killer on maps.
Unless they change how the cages spawn, yeah the tunneling is gonna become more problematic. If the killer is a duo then one can be in charge of the tunneling and the other in charge of gen patrol
I think you underestimate how much playing with someone else actually matters, its inarguably the biggest point for 2v8 killer. My friend, who is exclusively a survivor main, almost never players killer even solo, wanted to play Huntress with me as trapper. She probably played more killer that week we played than I ever seen her play in an entire year of DBD. I am not joking. She literally never plays killer. She didnt care about having more chases.
The lack of mmr system def played into it, more fun means less stress. Another player means less stress as killer. Thats a big pain point I see from some casual players, rhey hate killer because its very stressful and difficult. 2v8 alleviates that (I had to gen watch like an absolute maniac when playing with her LUL)
He definitely isn't underestimating team play. It's just these changes do not make your time as killer on this mode, more fun. It make sit less fun.
This impacts even the players who want to play killer that never would have before. Now you can be pallet/flashlight stunned.... thats a huge fear for newer players once they experience it. In a 1v4, now its really a 1v8 in those situations it would be so easy to flashlight blind or stun.
Aside from killers builds which aren't disclosed atm to their full implications survivor builds especially the inst heal and pallet rebuild that is going to negatively impact your gameplay with her.
You also mentioned, that you had to be the gen kicker because she wasn't really doing it, why? Because she was going for chases, hunting people, looking for them. That's what makes killer fun. Hell if they removed gen kicking altogether it wouldn't impact the fun directly, only by extension due to lack of time to actually chase people.
Whole point is, chases are fun, that is what makes killer fun. Everyone likes going for chases. Or want to be chased. Gens are not fun never ever were they ever. So she was going for chases even if she wasn't 'meta gaming' or realizing it. That's why she had fun, no stress just chasing. Now as I said before, that experience will be negatively impacted for no reason other than to make playing killer, the mode she and you enjoyed together less fun in attempt to fix queues.
24:50 i think he said no we didnt to the fat guy saying "We called it the ultimates." - "No we didnt."
Those mouthbreathers are absolutely sickening in their apparent lack of intelligence.
It was a bad idea, and they could be taking the time to try 5v5; a gamemode that might actually NOT fuck-up the game's queues.
At this point we should just play killer and stand around watching survivors do gens and hope they trip onto a hook or something
Twitch chat in these videos would be Pog
I am not paying for anything peek. Trickie Eileen said same on them ganking peeps on tekken paying 5 dollars for a stage change. Thank you all for speaking up for consumers. I cant have a hobbie anymore.
Support your local arcades btw. They robbing us.
Okey but when we gonna get the mode again ?like date
queuing has killer was long for me last time hope they fix it wasn't fun waiting for so long for queue to pop so didn't get many games of it last time
They posted time stamps under their TH-cam video of the livestream.
Dredge should have been the new killer
1:42 i was pushing the volume button on my phone this freaked me out ngl.
So basically there trying to make 2vs8 as sweaty as the main mode. Cool