Yeah, when I goof off or play a weaker killer I get really rude/toxic survivors in about 30-50% of my games. EZ baby killer etc. When I switch to my Nurse I instead get disconnects every game or every other game and they all give up. Funny how that works.
Some people would say that i'm 'Virtur signaling', but honestly i think nurse should be nerfed, it's one of the most nerfed killers after the pig (lol) and it's still the best killer in the game, only reason nurse exists because dbd used to have an utterly trash gsmeplay design, so they created nurse to bypass their terrible game design, i don't even enjoy to play as her because of easy 4k's all the time
I have often wondered about this general sentiment in the broader community, and I think it boils down to 2 main reasons: 1) A simple numbers game. If the survivors play to win, and by extension, have fun, then 4 people had fun, and 1 didn't. The other way around, 1 person had fun, and 4 didn't. 2) Survivors playing together will back each other up in their grievances. If a killer gets annoyed at a survivor(s), they will express that annoyance to themself and then think about that further with a high chance of realising the survivor was just doing what they are supposed to do. If a survivor in a swf gets annoyed with a killer, they will express this and have a high chance of their friends backing them up, so less chance of self reflecting on how they may be wrong
It would help if the other side doing well would not be regarded as a personal insult. And that is true for survivors and killers. Some people just bitch and moan about the game, the community at large or the last match, to the point that I wonder, why they even stick around. Getting stomped never feels good. Killers and survivors are no different in that regard. It’s the give and take games, where the most fun is to be had and where that isn’t tied at the hip with the outcome.
I've had countless survivors in post-game-chat calling me slurs for "tunneling/camping/whatevering" at X gens, but when I ask them if they would have slowed down if the match went downhill for me, they're dead silent. A few times they told me they wouldn't have because it would have been a skill issue on my part. Go figure.
There is definitely a disconnect between casual and serious players. Which is why dbd needs a ranked mode. If dbd was a competitive as the devs claim there would be a ranking system. But there isn't. So casual survivors constantly go against serious killers, and vice versa. And no ones happy anymore.
If the killer wins they have no fun. You have to not tunnel(who wrote this rule??It was not in the tutorial) but they can do what they want. "If the killer wins is a noob If the killer lose is a noob"
More of a swf mentality then a solo que thing. I almost Exclusively play solo and constantly have fun even though my win rate would probably be around 15%.
@@TheRealLarcinI was in the live and we talked about that too. What is a win to killer getting 3-4 kills. For a survivor it’s you surviving so if the killer kills you but the other three live that’s you losing but the team winning but you still complain about losing
Had a match just last night where they 3-genned themselves against my Doc with Make Your Choice and Dragon's Grip. Kept finding them in that corner of the map with ease getting quick downs, and apparently that made me "the queen of campers" and an "ez killer." I kept trying to leave the area, but someone always screamed on that side of the map before I could get far, so leaving would have just been willingly stupid. I've just taken to laughing at them and being mockingly polite ("It WAS an ez game! Thank you for the relaxing match!"). They either don't respond or lose all their chill and show their asses lmao
This match is a good example while he is explaining is like these two people snipping him is like ok we need to help tru3 showcase how we don't care about his fun right now so he could show his points
They shouldn't imo. Survivors make it their goal to annoy the killer so the killer can do as they plz. Wanna tbag and abuse game mechanics don't be mad when the killer face camps or tunnels. Edit: didn't even think about the sprint burst flashlight saves. Look into a wall and get flashbanged. They've literally gave survivors a way to counter everything in the game. While how does a killer stop a 4 man from stomping. They can't really.
Not to mention the most simple mechanics from survivors breaking parts of killers kits making them absolutely useless against a SWF. Playing Pinhead? Oh simple just walk into literally anything and the chains break off instantly. Playing Vecna? or Nemesis? Huntress even and all you got to do is crouch being heigh level objects to deflect it, literally negating half their power. Prediction is easy as a good survivor so as a killer you gotta work extra hard if you wanna get anything done in a game against 4 people using comms with a collective 16k hours.
A common sense statement that is somehow controversial in dbd community. I guess because the community is directed by survivor mains, as they are 4 times the killrs
@@kotoamatsukami2582Been saying that for years. If killers would just stop playing the game for a month, bhvr would make changes to the game. We did it with for honor and they started fixing the game after the community stopped playing the game for a couple weeks. Another example is helldivers 2, where the community basically boycotted. It will never happen though.
Literally one mistake when playing killer can cost you the game. Just going to a different gen at the start instead of the one they are working on can cost you the whole game. It's actually insane if you think about it
Yeah, survivor spawns basically gift them a free gen and as a killer you have to guess where they are. The whole start of the game is unfair for killers.
I have 200 hours in DBD with most of that being killer (I know it’s not a lot, it’s more to show how experienced players don’t make it fun when they can tell I’m a newbie). I’ve left games before because people wouldn’t stop flashlight saving and body blocking on The Artists map when they have 1 gen left and I’m at 0 hooks. I’m fine with going against better players because it’ll make me better and I know I’m not going to win those games. It would just be nice to get some hooks
if they would make gens take longer then chases could take longer, anti tunnel wouldn't even be a thing. so many ways to solve this but they want the conflict, they want the rage.
the problem is that a gen is always 90 seconds , a chase can vary between 5 seconds to 5 min, you as survivor can be better and extend the time the killer needs to catch you,but as killer you cant add imaginary seconds to a generator to last longer.
@@facundoariasrodriguez2658 i have been saying this for years; they need to add another objective for survivors to do. Holding a button on a gen is boring and thats why they wont make them longer. They legit just need to add something else to do before the exit gates open. It could be a puzzle or anything really.
@@phoenixblaze5491 They could even just make it as simple as removing most of the gens, and adding only 2 at each exit gate that requires finding the parts to repair it. And have a minigame for each individual piece.
It is because most people doesn't understand what TOXIC means and they use it for everything that they not like. Nothing that makes you closer to your main objective (for killer, well...killing, and for survs doing generators) should be considered as TOXIC. Camping is not toxic, tunneling is not toxic, abusing lockers or flashlights is not toxic at all. This is all part of the game and game mechanics. If you don't like it, then you should consider changing the game. What is not good is tea bagging, hitting on hook etc. This will not get you closer to fulfill your objective. It is done just to make you angry. I didn't mention any hacks for obvious reasons.
13:47 thats the idea of those changes on 2v8, making killer less fun so that more people play survivor instead and the queues dont take 10 min... but at what cost.
I think its just the natural psychology with being chased by something in a video game. How often have you possibly cussed out a zombie or monster AI in a video game thats been trying to get you, but you manage to escape? Its that "Yeah, suck it!" Mentality behind besting your predator and it obviously applies here. This doesnt defend most peoples actions outside the game (such as harassment) but definitely explains why survivors forget to let the killer have fun during the moment.
Quitting this game and getting away from its braindead devs and cancerous playerbase improved my quality of life tenfold. It was hard to do as this game has some sort of addiction factor to it(I think it’s the salt and putting myself in a bad position(playing killers that aren’t Nurse/Blight) and coming out on top). Best gaming decision I’ve made in a long time.
I'm honestly shocked when I get a "gg" from survivors after I 4k them. I try not to tunnel much, but certain situations call for it. The double standards are stupid and crazy how often they occur. I often time say both sides are guilty of toxic behavior, but the make sure other side has fun seems to only apply to killer players. Because this game is "killer sided" you have to play in a way that gives chances otherwise you're mean and not good cause somehow 12-hooking is easy. But yet if you go lax the survivors always rush through gens. In a multiplayer game, no one is responsible for other people's fun. As long as you are not hacking play however you want and people just need to suck it up. But fragile egos just quit instead of playing when they get beat.
I play mainly as killers and you do get games where you can’t do anything but when I get chill survivors I chill but I guess true is right the point of the game is to win.
I hear you, but people are gonna quit playing if the atmosphere doesn't improve, so maybe streamers should care a little bit more about their own job security
It's a balancing act everyone is trying to play for fun but also to win. If a killer goes into match with weak perks and just tries to have a fun game with survivors then the survivors gen rush and t-bag at the exit gate as they all 4 escape you think that killer is going to do the same thing next game? It goes both ways though it's like you see a weak killer or a killer having a hard time yet you don't take it easy on them you still play as if you're at the top level and to you it's a free escape or your chance at feeling like a god running the killer for 3+ gens. There is no fix for it you just need to accept it and go in with mentality that you're going to be versing the best players in the game then go easy at your own discretion when you feel that they're weaker survivors. You can let them finish some gens and get some hook saves or even just let 1 of them escape and not go for the 4k which is usually what I do. It really just comes down to peoples mentality that pushes the game in a direction because even when a killer is playing fair but just stomping us with a really good build I still get frustrated and t-bag the killer as I run from them because I didn't have fun even though they're just doing what they need to do and it was on us survivors to play the game at an equal level.
Yeah, I agree if we also say the same for survivors, but survivors that scream this nonsense are often the same ones trying to play to win as hard as they possibly can, and then when the killer reacts to them sweating against them like crazy, they get upset that the killer sweats back. I had a game where I went after someone right after hook, picked them up, and they didn't have DS so I dropped them, and gave them a second chance, literally 30 seconds later, 2 gens pop, and then another soon after, I was forced to tunnel that person so I could catch up again. When I wasn't even planning to, but the survivors weren't chill, so I responded in kind.
Its always the same in this game... when u tunnel ore slug because they finish all gens in 3 min its the killers fault... and it always was because suv mains will never understand that it is not fun at all to play vs these sweaty suvs... For personal when i get a Flashlight in my face for the first hook ore instandly blindet after every pallet im trying to give em not a nice time at all :D because they are not playing chill aswell
Just needs alternate objectives integrated into the gameplay to take some angst away from the main objectives. Probably been thought up before but imagine that whenever the third gen is completed a random locker pops open and spawns a loot crate with blood points, auric cells exclusive skins, whatever. Suddenly everyone is tempted to abandon the main objective to scope out lockers. Could up the ante and highlight it’s aura after the fourth gen is done. Should dump a bunch of status effects on whoever interacts with the loot so it isn’t an easy in and out. Survivor side would seethe in postgame chat at the teammate who threw to get the loot first only to get grabbed and the team snowballed.
Yea ive genuinely stopped caring about how other people's matches go. I used to try and 2 hook everybody, be fair and make sure it's a decent game for everybody. But you can only take so much tbagging at gate, or getting messages sent before it starts to get to you. Now i just play for my fun. If i get dcs or something im not going to give the survivors any slack. That's not my fault he dc'd. Ive ended games in 4 minutes with a smile. I've ended games over 10 minutes long with a smile. Watching the patience and sanity drain out of someone is my new favorite thing to do. That's all it comes down to, really, who's mental breaks first
The only thing killers do that makes the game unfun is the constant tunneling every match, like i get needing pressure because the gens can pop really fast but ive seen alot of killers go after 1 person even with other people trying to get them off the unhooked person.. at least thats been my experience this past week or so
Honestly ive really only played league and dbd in terms of toxic communities and i can say hands down no questions asked dbd is a million times worse than what league can offer at least in my experience.
I get there are very toxic survivor groups and bully squads, but at the same time there are also a ton of nice people that play this game and attempt to just have fun. The problem with DBD is that this saltiness gets carried over into other games and BHVR doesn't want to fix core issues. Survivor group 1 bullies you hardcore (or sometimes not, maybe you just had a very bad game) so you bring the hardcore stuff the next game to try and up your chances at winning or take out your frustrations, which causes group 2 to think the same thing of "oh man this guy is tunneling at 5-4 gens, he's BMing and being an asshole" so they end up doing the same thing in THEIR next game, which makes that killer salty. Its a never ending loop where many people want to play a casual game, but they are railroaded into a competitive one and BHVR can't seem to make up their mind about it. DBD also has a horrible gamestate that isn't really easy to fix. Personally I think it just comes down to the issue of generators themselves, since it takes 90 seconds for a survivor to do a generator (at 1 charge per second, it takes 90 charges to do a generator) but killers can only regress a generator after 6 fucking minutes (a generator regresses at -0.25 charges, its FOUR times longer.) Why they don't just increase this base value of regression so that anti-gen perks aren't required anymore is beyond me. Buff the base, nerf the perks so that they are more of a minor bonus rather than "you run this or you don't win". Or hell, just give us a gamemode where you need to last a certain amount of time with no generators? don't give survivors the ability to determine when the game ends and let the game focus be about the CHASE (the most fun part of the game for tons of people, no one likes sitting on gens for 90 straight seconds or getting hit with gen regression 5 times within the span of 10 seconds). and for GODS sake, remove the ability to try and unhook yourself! Remove skill checks during your 2nd hook stage. I absolutely despise people who don't have the balls to play a game to the end and are given a literal mechanic to bypass the DC penalty, fucking over their team because you did a misplay within the first 20-30 seconds of a match and got hooked early. I wouldn't even mind giving the survivors a "vote to give up" button that cuts to the killer doing a Mori on everyone or something, it would genuinely be better than a single person giving up and killing themselves, and now I don't get to play the rest of the match.
I have yet to find them "ton of nice people" that you're talking about, I have 2.5k hours and whenever I want to chill and play weaker killers I get tbagged, get called a baby killer or the usual "gg ez" in the end game chat, knowing that I can win that game if I tried so why should I not do just that? survivors will be toxic no matter how the killer plays.
DbD is the only PvP game I've ever played where you're supposed to care about how much "fun" the other side is having. Imagine this mentality in other PvP games, "boy this guy that's 50-0 really should stop getting kills, he's not allowing others to have fun"....lunacy.
For me, I'm having fun when everyone's actually trying to play the game in earnest. I've never raged at a flashlight save or a pallet drop or a bodyblock, I actually have come to appreciate when survivors do that. So many of my games someone kills themselves on first hook, go AFK, or purposefully sandbag teammates. As killer, watching survivors struggle against one another is a terrible feeling, because I know they're not having fun and I have nothing to do with that. They're doing it to each other. Then I hop over to survivor and there's always a spoil-sport, either another survivor or the killer. When I play survivor my least favorite games are when the killer gives up at 3 gens and stops chasing. So, since I know that's my least favorite thing that happens as survivor, when I play killer (which is most of the time) I make sure to try to win as earnestly as I can. I want my opponents to TRY to beat me, so I assume they think the same way. They obviously don't always, but I like when they do. Everyone complains about "Toxic this" and "BM that", but to me, the most toxic thing you can do is play as though your opponent isn't as good or better than you.
Every other game's community : "It is the developers' job to make the game fun and the optimal strategies not be the boring ones" DbD's community for some god knows what reason : "The job of the killer is to entertain me and not to win the game. I might wanna buy that new skin, looks dope."
True you might want to double check your graphic settings on silent hill , at one point a few hours in you say it's on max graphics but I could have sworn at beginning you put it on high
Love to see it/hear it. Survivors constantly use the excuse that killers need to care about them having fun, but i never, NEVER hear them saying that survivors need to care about killer fun. It's a PvP game, the fun of the PvP game is to fight each other and win. Casual matches and chill matches are for custom mode
To be fair, the first game you didn't even really chase anybody? my game's always end up alot differently when i play survivor lol usually dead on hook.
I’ve been wanting a perk that says “Any survivor that crouches twice in under five seconds trips and has a 20% decrease in speed for five seconds. If they crouch twice or more while the gates are opened they immediately go into the dying state and whatever killer you’re playing gets the ability to crouch and to kill the survivor by your hand.” I’d call it “Teabag This, Bitch!!” Also a perk that makes a hit that puts a survivor into the dying state fall towards you instead of forward would be nice so when they get cocky and wait for me at the endgame they get a lovely surprise when I hit them and they find out they didn’t fall into victory. That would make me have a lot of fun.
I can’t lie. There’s few things as satisfying as seeing three survivors with flashlights out in the pregame lobby not knowing I made sure Hillbilly was one of my first prestiges. That is an amazing perk. It’s completely useless in a game with survivors that are doing gens but often is a game changer when I’m playing against someone determined to blind me. I don’t even bother trying to fake turn away. I look directly into the light laughing maniacally like “Yeah, you thought so didn’t you!” They don’t even usually learn their lesson. They usually try it again and again. That perk gets me harder than playing Trickster on mobile.
Giving up this game and its community was VERY good for my mental health. I'll keep watching you put yourself through this until you've had enough though.
The point of true is correct if you idealize what a perfect team should be. But for me as a casual player with 1k hours I had a lot of games with survivors who dc after first blood, a meg who pre dropped every pallets at the beginning of the game someone who bodyblock you on purpose or nobody rescue you after first blood, survivors who don’t know how to counter some killers like oni, plague, legion, nemesis,myers… who will snowball you after they « upgrade » their powers. What I mean is that it’s often non binary like True tend to explain the situation: it’s not always a survivors vs killer situation but a lot of time you have to deal with a survivor vs survivor vs killer situation. In addition to this survivors don’t have the same objectives at all! Some just want to have good chases and won’t touch a gen of the whole match, some will just care about escape the game, some will just follow you in chase to get a flash save. The main problem for me isn’t the maps the builds, the shitty MMR system.. The problem is that we lack of game modes. Every players are going on the same lobbies by default. And 90% of the times the game will be completely random and unbalanced because of that. We need a permanent 1v1 game mode with a ladder for soloq players who don’t care about competitive and gen efficiency, a normal/or shuffle mode/2v8 for people who want to chill with fun builds, playing with friends or whatever and a competitive mode with a transparent ladder with REAL ranks (not this bullshit of iri 1) for competitive players with perks/ add on/ map offering restriction for ppl who sweaty solo q players and team and with a proper vocal !! Only like this they will tend to a fair equilibrium between survivors/killers and satisfied everyone.
This is a endless debate with killers and survivors. No one sees the opposite side. Only way to solve it is to stop playing😂. When I'm on killer I see wym and when I'm on survivor I shouldn't have to bring anti tunneling perks to have fun. Just stopped playing and will watch players play 😂💯
Its because every side has its echo chamber. The reddit is even worse. God forbid you dont hate the people you play against or think what they do is up to them. All these stupid rules both sides have make this game even worse. Cant tunnel,cant camp, no flashlight, no protection hits, no sabo. Just no this or no that. People act like the things happening are personal attacks on them instead of them trying to win.
I agree man. When I play killer I’m understanding of why some killers do what they do and then when I’m on survivor I see some of their reasonings as well
I get what you said about not needing to bring anti tunnel perks just to have fun but I think the cores issue here is game balance,in its current state killers that aren’t at the top of B+ tier or higher struggle to keep up consistently against above average survivors esp swfs thus reducing the viable killer pool,my proposed solution to this is first off separate casual and ranked and in ranked mode implement some sort of corresponding buff/nerf based on tier for example S tiers like nurse -5% gen kicking and pallet break speed and C tier killers like Freddy and trapper get +20% gen kick and pallet break speeds or instead of the corresponding buffs/nerfs being tied to kick speed they tie it to base regression giving the killers higher base regression based on their tier
A lot of people missed the point, this isnt a surv main or killer main issue its a pvp game issue, nobody in a pvp game is supposed to be nice to their opponent. Thats literally why its player v player its best of whoever is playing. Nobody should play dbd to make someone else enjoy their game unless thats what they want to do.
I have a rule that if there's two or more screech cobblers or terrormisus or bloody streamers in play, this is gonna be a chill maximize bloodpoints for everyone kind of game.
I don't think so. As a survivor, matches can be pretty short. Nowadays, if you got camped or just frustrated, you kill yourself at hook and within 1 min you are already playing a new game. As killer, you can't ds, so you're stuck until the 4 survs escape (or die). And many times, when survs make fun of a killer outplaying him during the match, they like to stay, extend and tease, laughing, for example, teabagging at exits, etc. I'm not sure if I referred to the same point you were talking about, but I hope I did
And 4 survivors on comms can ruin the killer's experience far more than the killer can ruin it for just 1 survivor The power dynamic exists, but it's tilted towards the side with literally 4x more players
i personally think body blocking should be removed from the game don't even need to use up a perk or item slot to do it devs can easily add a mechanic that makes the killer ghost through survivors the extra life isn't needed they already have hook armor dead hard flashbang flashlights god pallets decisive strike body blocks just skilless pretty much and only a handful of killers can really deal with it well heck the the so called ghosting doesn't even need to be permanent just make it active when the game detects survivors next to each other in a chase will they do this NOO cause devs all apparently play survivor 🤭🤗☠
I'll gladly explain why they didn't slow down (the survivors in the spirit game you payed) They are playing for their lives, if they go down and get hooked x amount of times, the game is over for them, and the fun stops. The killer is guaranteed to be part of the game, from start to finish, meaning that the killer doesn't face the same struggles as survivors. As a survivor main myself, I don't know exactly what a killer considers to be "fun" - I assume it's having some good chases and downing/hooking survivors, correct me if I'm wrong.
You make too much sense brother, and you explain it very clearly but yet they still refuse to understand. Play to win, winning is fun. Losing isn’t fun. Every game has a winner and a loser and this game isn’t any different. If you don’t like losing, play better and stop complaining. To top it all off, survivors are the most toxic of the two sides and it isn’t even close. The teabags and messages when they actually beat me (rarely) is so consistent.
I’m really tired of all these changes being forced on killer play styles in the name of survivor fun. But then there are rarely any changes to make the survivor play style more fun for killers to go against.
When I play killer I play to win. I dont care about the survivors fun. When I play survivor I play to win. I dont care about the killers fun. When I first started DBD I returned to hooks and used early downs to get 2nd stage hooks. When I was on my back foot I would camp someone out to try and get advantage back to my side. This just seemed like smart strategy. The issue is killers camp, or return to hook when there is no strategic imperative to do so. Survivors do the same shit too. Why are they going for flashlights when the game is basically over?
Damn, making Spirit look like an F tier killer really showcases how imbalanced the game still is, so many years after release. BHVR are just completely out of touch.
To be honest overwatch is more toxic. My account got banned because people didnt like I had femboy in my name and reported me because I was a good Sombra LMAO! Also the things people say on there on average is way worse then dbd. The devs of blizzard DID NOT CARE. JUst sent me automated messages and basically saying they could ban me for no reason.
Its an L either way. Both mains are so far removed that to them the other side is the Devil. Both sides have their awfulness and the loud majority complaining is survivor because is a 4 to 1 complaints. I personally prefer killer over solo q any day. I dont think sabo or flashlight saves or any of that is wrong. But i feel the same way about tunneling or camping. You do what you got to do to win. The problem is the best way for you to have fun/win feels bad for the other side. True comes off biased in favor of the killers imo but its not like hes wrong exactly. Just only talks about that side of it.
Seems like you are saying the same thins as Tru3, his point is he doesn't play so the survivors win and have fun just like the survivors don't do that, that's the entire point. He was complaining about them not "slowing down" since he had no hooks to show how ridiculous it is.
@@kuppa391 I dont disagree with his point he just usually speaks from the killer perspective because hes a killer main. Also I dont watch his livestreams often unless its Mk or something but most of his youtube videos are him bagging on survivors and how they have expectations for killers. Which again isnt wrong but if i only hear the one side from him it comes off biased.
@@lordjiraiya6230 I think everyone has an in-group bias at the end of the day, unless someone plays survivor and killer exactly 50/50 and has no preference. Not sure if that kind of person even exists tho, because people usually gravitate more to one than the other.
@@kuppa391 I dont agree with that necessarily. I play survivor more. Alot of solo q and sometimes the two man swf. But i prefer killer. But I dont hate it when I play against a sabo flashlight squad. Or when i get tunneled out. I get it. Is it fun? Not particularly but its doesnt ruin anything for me. Only think that makes me want to unistall this game is the teammates i get when i solo q. Killer > SWF > Solo Q. But thats my opinion
@@TrU3Ta1ent i am watching you years man! i play the game also! but i never seen non playing with all killers in such i good level. i know now i lot of good players exist. but you was not like that. i accept the fact sometimes victories needs to get dirty so be it! but i want to be honest i prefer to see you lose sometimes and been legit and non like that. this is my opinion ofcourse, i make you also i friend reguest and you never accept it but this is your call also.
I actually have gotten to the point where I'm primarily frustrated with survivors who give up on their first hook/down. I get it, it sucks when you get found and don't have a decent first chase. Why just give up though? Like, if me playing killer means I have to learn to adapt to situations, why is it survivors get a pass with "Oh, I don't like this killer, I'll just go next." Meanwhile the other 3 survivors are like, "Seriously?" I'm more sympathetic to the others who are left to either give up themselves or try and play out the match. No matter how you wanna have the "Fair vs fun" debate, survivor accountability needs to be a part of the discussion.
Fun? The goal of this game is not about having fun. It's not even about winning. The one and only reason to play this game is to make the other side as miserable as humanly possible. It is the only logical conclusion that can be obtained from trying this game.
You're not friends, be nice once as a killer and 100% of the time you'll get survirours bagging and waiting at the exit gates. What's worse is this game has such a toxic player base, it's the only game I have multiple comments on my profile calling me a hacker or some slur because I beat them.
What exactly is the debacle here? Unfair game balance making the game one sided if you play to win? It's a PvP game. I would expect both sides to play to win. The issue then would be if the game is very unbalanced for one side or the other. Unless theres just unfun game mechanics but again that's not the playerbases fault, that would be on the devs to fix. Players or going to do what they can to win. It's not the players job to play worse to make the game more fun for all parties. Is it the dynamic of 1v4 that causes this?
I love how this discussion starts, and then the very next game it is proven. Play your game, match the other's energy. This is PVP, not PVE. Imagine if the DBD community was part of the FGC or FPS genres. They'd get laughed at and shunned immediately. The killer is NOT a babysitter.
If you want to have fun, play Sadako She's less effected by survivor perks and if you slug too even more dont matter. Cant body block her either. Shoot you really don't have to chase much either if you condemn hard. It's nurse with less DC's
I've always found it so weird how they talk about one side thinking about the other side having or not having fun. I just wanna win the game and I'll do that by any means (yes, including tunneling in dbd). It's a pvp idgaf about your feelings
This mindset can be applied to both sides. And you're right, one side is not responsible for the other sides fun. Imo, I don't really care what happens within the game, as long as I have fun chases (on both sides) the only thing that bothers me is when I'm on survivor and the killer decides to just 4 man slug with knockout from the very beginning, that's the only unfun thing for me personally
@hampehwakenabeb7773 what are you saying? That for you m1 killers aren't fun bc too many gens pop in the first chase? Yeah, I see that. I love onryo, she's my fave m1 bc of the teleports. But I usually run 2 or 3 chase perks and 1 gen regression and it pays off for me. But I'm more casual and I'm sure my mmr on killer isn't high bc sometimes I meme with cute survivors lol
@@PettyPerkins what it means is that the survivors are doing whatever they can to escape (win), thus its not wrong for killers to do whatever they can to get the kills (win)...
@@PettyPerkins (continuation) i dont get why the community has double standards on what survivors or killers are able do to during a game to win i.e. survivors can do everything to win (2nd chance perks, body block, gen rush, etc.), but killers cant (tunnel/camp)?
You can try to beat your opponent in Cod game, or tekken game, or counter strike game… i always give Survivour chance to win or get more bloodpoints, trust me i have tons of matches when i can finish a match in 10 or 12 minutes or even quicker but i always give them a little bit of chance to do something, DBD is not FPS game where u gotta WIN at all cost, its a fun game, i always play like this since this game came out in 2016, i do not understand people who are tunneling, slugging or camping hooks or hexes, like, if they gonna destroy u a hex totem its a bad luck, u play and maybe u can still win that, there should be more people with this mindset..
Anyone had an issue playing killer where you get body blocked by nothing? Happened to me again last night when I was playing as Dracula. I would be walking somewhere and suddenly I can't move like I'm boxed in. Was really annoying especially during chases when I was close to getting a down but then got cockblocked by an invisible wall. It's cheaters right?
I stopped watching Tru a couple of years ago. No hate, just wasn't enjoying it as much. I just came back to look at what he was doing and if he had moved on to a healthier game. It feels like I walked into the of something he was saying 2 or 3 years ago.
You're acting like stream snipers are the average players for 99 percent of the playerbase 😂😂😂 thing is as a killer there is nothing a survivor can do to prevent you from playing, but killers can slug, camp and tunnel off hook to prevent them from playing. If there are flashlights you can still slug or chase someone else. But you can never prevent a killer from playing unless they're hacking or exploiting.
Tbh either hope the devs wake up which will never happen cause they brain dead or just hope people realize this game is dying. I hope it does die tbh and another game that has the same idea of killer vs survivor blows this game out the water. The developers of this game don’t deserve any of the success this game has gotten. The only reason that it is somewhat successful is because there is no other game like this as of yet. I can’t wait till there is one cause when that happens this game will die and I will cheer. Until then the devs will nerf one side over and over for the crybaby survivors to “have fun” ie favorable god pallets/perks/play styles while digging killers into a unescapable worthless stressful style of playing. I’m glad I quit this game the more I see the devs favor one side over and over.
Killers always let me do the the basement incantation before chasing me. Never got smy messages other than a "sorry inwasted your time" from a ghostface i crawled from last survivor. Seems people meet with same energy
Honestly I’ve got 800 hrs on this game and I won’t be back until 2v8. Survivors in this game are horrible and the worst kinds of people on the internet. I have no sympathy for solo queue because solo queue has nowhere near the stress and anxiety that comes from playing killer especially at red ranks. Also survivors complain about killers sweating but I have not ONCE seen survivors not sweating, They will abuse swf tactics and other glitches (like walking to never block window and to never give the killer bloodlust) to make sure the killer is always having an awful time. I legitimately hate survivor players. They are the worst kinds of people and I hate that I need them to play this game. Wish the bots were more acceptable to play against cuz I hate dealing with this awful community.
And honestly why the fuck are they trying to “balance” and I use that term fucking loosely the kill rate and escape rate at around 50 percent. Like the killer is supposed to be the big threat but 50% of their victims get away which is what the devs want. Wtf why should the power role be equally as strong as the “weaker” role. That makes no fucking sense! The devs should make the escape rate 20-30% and the kill rate at least 70%. I mean the killer is supposed to be powerful and only the best survivors should be able to escape right? But no the devs need to make sure that the survivor gameplay loop is braindead easy, there is never a true threat unless the killer is extremely experienced or the killer themselves have powerful iri addons. The power role should not be stressing out more than the victim role, PERIOD.
The worst part of it all is gaslighting. If you air any grievances you may have as a killer, you will start seeing getting lots of comments insulting you and acting as if you're making things up. All while numerous self-described killer mains come out of the woodwork to tell you how they get 4k's 90% of the time, how X is a non-issue, how Y is actually balanced, how killer is easy and you're just a crybaby etc. I enjoy killer, but I often just end up not booting the game at all for days on end. It requires mental preparation beforehand and being ready to take abuse, whether through being sent to eerie vs a sabo squad, t-bagging clickers or post-game harassment. It just feels like killer players are the scapegoats for survivor players to take out their anger on.
Anyone can get "red ranks" if they play enough so eventually those baby survivors will be red ranks but matching against them or better survivors depends on your MMR which is hidden, how the MMR system works is debatable, Tru3 thinks that at top MMR you can't get any points from killing those baby survivors, others think the MMR is capped and there's those who think that MMR doesn't exist.
i dont get this whole "im not having fun, its your fault" like... if you want fun, go play a story/immersive game. Yes DBD can be fun and it all depends on how you look at it, but complaining about not having fun is just wild Dont want this coming off as like hate to anyone or whatever. Simply saying.. Don't like it, Don't play it
Buddies always banging on the same old drum eh? It’s not a tough concept, there’s a difference between playing to win, and playing to make someone else’s time miserable. One’s defensible, the other isn’t. People are just intellectually dishonest on this topic in this game, and always will be.
flashlight saves are actually my favorite thing to play around as killer. Either run lightborn and try to trick them into thinking you dont have it until end of match, position your pickups to make it hard to save and get the flashlighter out of position, mad grit build with the trickster expose perk, franklin's creating timed objectives that survivors are going to be buzzing around like flies. Love it. I also love Head On matches and trying to bait it while I'm chasing another survivor past the obvious locker.
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Yeah, when I goof off or play a weaker killer I get really rude/toxic survivors in about 30-50% of my games. EZ baby killer etc. When I switch to my Nurse I instead get disconnects every game or every other game and they all give up. Funny how that works.
It’s called the games unbalanced and some killers aren’t fun to play against
@@OrteguhAnd there are plenty of survivor builds that aren't fun to play against. Killer is a stressful time pretty much no matter what you do.
@@Orteguhuh no. Survivor is the most unbalanced with so many second chances.
Some people would say that i'm 'Virtur signaling', but honestly i think nurse should be nerfed, it's one of the most nerfed killers after the pig (lol) and it's still the best killer in the game, only reason nurse exists because dbd used to have an utterly trash gsmeplay design, so they created nurse to bypass their terrible game design, i don't even enjoy to play as her because of easy 4k's all the time
Because you playing as a cheap overpowered killer. There is never no fun against a nurse. She goes against all the game mechanics
I have often wondered about this general sentiment in the broader community, and I think it boils down to 2 main reasons:
1) A simple numbers game. If the survivors play to win, and by extension, have fun, then 4 people had fun, and 1 didn't. The other way around, 1 person had fun, and 4 didn't.
2) Survivors playing together will back each other up in their grievances. If a killer gets annoyed at a survivor(s), they will express that annoyance to themself and then think about that further with a high chance of realising the survivor was just doing what they are supposed to do. If a survivor in a swf gets annoyed with a killer, they will express this and have a high chance of their friends backing them up, so less chance of self reflecting on how they may be wrong
I definitely don't back my friend up on his stupid grievances when we play together but I'm probably an exception and not the rule.
You made me understand. At first I wondered why tluetalent put the first match as in a video.
It would help if the other side doing well would not be regarded as a personal insult. And that is true for survivors and killers. Some people just bitch and moan about the game, the community at large or the last match, to the point that I wonder, why they even stick around.
Getting stomped never feels good. Killers and survivors are no different in that regard. It’s the give and take games, where the most fun is to be had and where that isn’t tied at the hip with the outcome.
I have had more negative steam profile comments from survivors than killers that's for sure.
I've had countless survivors in post-game-chat calling me slurs for "tunneling/camping/whatevering" at X gens, but when I ask them if they would have slowed down if the match went downhill for me, they're dead silent. A few times they told me they wouldn't have because it would have been a skill issue on my part. Go figure.
The irony lol
How are we still talking about this years and years later holy shit this game needs to figure it out.
Its madness...
There is definitely a disconnect between casual and serious players. Which is why dbd needs a ranked mode. If dbd was a competitive as the devs claim there would be a ranking system. But there isn't. So casual survivors constantly go against serious killers, and vice versa. And no ones happy anymore.
Ranked mode will solve nothing. Ppl who are comp will still join the casual game mode and not play ranked
I agree, I wish there was a ranked and casual mode
@LoneWolfe_XX alot of "comp" players do it for bragging rights. Nothing to brag about in a casual game.
@@LoneWolfe_XX The idea is there would be no hard sbmm in casual mode.
@@TheRealLarcin still there will be ppl being dishonest and not play ranked and choose to play casual mode
If the killer wins they have no fun. You have to not tunnel(who wrote this rule??It was not in the tutorial) but they can do what they want.
"If the killer wins is a noob
If the killer lose is a noob"
true bro no matter what u do as killer they still find a reason to trashtalk u even if they escape they have the need to say stuff 😂
More of a swf mentality then a solo que thing. I almost Exclusively play solo and constantly have fun even though my win rate would probably be around 15%.
@@TheRealLarcinI was in the live and we talked about that too. What is a win to killer getting 3-4 kills. For a survivor it’s you surviving so if the killer kills you but the other three live that’s you losing but the team winning but you still complain about losing
@@Pewpesilvia I don't complain about losing though...was kinda the whole point of my last comment.
Had a match just last night where they 3-genned themselves against my Doc with Make Your Choice and Dragon's Grip.
Kept finding them in that corner of the map with ease getting quick downs, and apparently that made me "the queen of campers" and an "ez killer." I kept trying to leave the area, but someone always screamed on that side of the map before I could get far, so leaving would have just been willingly stupid.
I've just taken to laughing at them and being mockingly polite ("It WAS an ez game! Thank you for the relaxing match!"). They either don't respond or lose all their chill and show their asses lmao
I used to play willingly stupid. And, the constant teabags and lack of a returned ggwp, made me realize I don't owe my opponent a thing.
This match is a good example while he is explaining is like these two people snipping him is like ok we need to help tru3 showcase how we don't care about his fun right now so he could show his points
trying to read this gave me a headache. lol
@@ItzMajin1744 ok, why?
@@frankmadrid1237 1. lack of punctuation.
2 “is like these two people sniping him is like”.
They shouldn't imo. Survivors make it their goal to annoy the killer so the killer can do as they plz.
Wanna tbag and abuse game mechanics don't be mad when the killer face camps or tunnels.
Edit: didn't even think about the sprint burst flashlight saves. Look into a wall and get flashbanged. They've literally gave survivors a way to counter everything in the game. While how does a killer stop a 4 man from stomping. They can't really.
Not to mention the most simple mechanics from survivors breaking parts of killers kits making them absolutely useless against a SWF. Playing Pinhead? Oh simple just walk into literally anything and the chains break off instantly. Playing Vecna? or Nemesis? Huntress even and all you got to do is crouch being heigh level objects to deflect it, literally negating half their power. Prediction is easy as a good survivor so as a killer you gotta work extra hard if you wanna get anything done in a game against 4 people using comms with a collective 16k hours.
@@chasemoore1216facts
A common sense statement that is somehow controversial in dbd community. I guess because the community is directed by survivor mains, as they are 4 times the killrs
maybe all the killers should stop playing the game so the survivors can get a taste of their own medicine but they wouldnt be able to handle it
i mean it as that the survivors would start playing as killer too just to see how it is to be a killer main
@@kotoamatsukami2582 Playing both, i still prefer Killer over solo q. Maybe not a full swf with my trash idiot friends but definitely solo q
@@kotoamatsukami2582Been saying that for years. If killers would just stop playing the game for a month, bhvr would make changes to the game. We did it with for honor and they started fixing the game after the community stopped playing the game for a couple weeks. Another example is helldivers 2, where the community basically boycotted. It will never happen though.
That's just not true is it, there's 4 times as many survivors in a match, not in the community
killers: trust us we dont care about their fun we dont get paid enough for this
Literally one mistake when playing killer can cost you the game. Just going to a different gen at the start instead of the one they are working on can cost you the whole game. It's actually insane if you think about it
Yeah, survivor spawns basically gift them a free gen and as a killer you have to guess where they are. The whole start of the game is unfair for killers.
Yeah. One mistake can cost you the game as a killer. But survivors can do many mistakes and still can win. Just because they have strong perks..
I have 200 hours in DBD with most of that being killer (I know it’s not a lot, it’s more to show how experienced players don’t make it fun when they can tell I’m a newbie). I’ve left games before because people wouldn’t stop flashlight saving and body blocking on The Artists map when they have 1 gen left and I’m at 0 hooks. I’m fine with going against better players because it’ll make me better and I know I’m not going to win those games. It would just be nice to get some hooks
if they would make gens take longer then chases could take longer, anti tunnel wouldn't even be a thing. so many ways to solve this but they want the conflict, they want the rage.
the problem is that a gen is always 90 seconds , a chase can vary between 5 seconds to 5 min, you as survivor can be better and extend the time the killer needs to catch you,but as killer you cant add imaginary seconds to a generator to last longer.
@@facundoariasrodriguez2658 i have been saying this for years; they need to add another objective for survivors to do. Holding a button on a gen is boring and thats why they wont make them longer. They legit just need to add something else to do before the exit gates open. It could be a puzzle or anything really.
@@phoenixblaze5491 They could even just make it as simple as removing most of the gens, and adding only 2 at each exit gate that requires finding the parts to repair it. And have a minigame for each individual piece.
It is because most people doesn't understand what TOXIC means and they use it for everything that they not like.
Nothing that makes you closer to your main objective (for killer, well...killing, and for survs doing generators) should be considered as TOXIC. Camping is not toxic, tunneling is not toxic, abusing lockers or flashlights is not toxic at all. This is all part of the game and game mechanics. If you don't like it, then you should consider changing the game.
What is not good is tea bagging, hitting on hook etc. This will not get you closer to fulfill your objective. It is done just to make you angry.
I didn't mention any hacks for obvious reasons.
13:47 thats the idea of those changes on 2v8, making killer less fun so that more people play survivor instead and the queues dont take 10 min... but at what cost.
Speak the truth brother, and let theses survivor salty mains remain just that, S-A-L-T-Y
I think its just the natural psychology with being chased by something in a video game. How often have you possibly cussed out a zombie or monster AI in a video game thats been trying to get you, but you manage to escape?
Its that "Yeah, suck it!" Mentality behind besting your predator and it obviously applies here. This doesnt defend most peoples actions outside the game (such as harassment) but definitely explains why survivors forget to let the killer have fun during the moment.
Quitting this game and getting away from its braindead devs and cancerous playerbase improved my quality of life tenfold. It was hard to do as this game has some sort of addiction factor to it(I think it’s the salt and putting myself in a bad position(playing killers that aren’t Nurse/Blight) and coming out on top). Best gaming decision I’ve made in a long time.
Imagine if they promoted positivity and healthy game balance, all these nasty people wouldn't have power in the community.
I'm honestly shocked when I get a "gg" from survivors after I 4k them. I try not to tunnel much, but certain situations call for it. The double standards are stupid and crazy how often they occur. I often time say both sides are guilty of toxic behavior, but the make sure other side has fun seems to only apply to killer players. Because this game is "killer sided" you have to play in a way that gives chances otherwise you're mean and not good cause somehow 12-hooking is easy. But yet if you go lax the survivors always rush through gens. In a multiplayer game, no one is responsible for other people's fun. As long as you are not hacking play however you want and people just need to suck it up. But fragile egos just quit instead of playing when they get beat.
I play mainly as killers and you do get games where you can’t do anything but when I get chill survivors I chill but I guess true is right the point of the game is to win.
Yooo that's my requested build on Wraith!! Just a build I'm trying out to mixed results haha.
I hear you, but people are gonna quit playing if the atmosphere doesn't improve, so maybe streamers should care a little bit more about their own job security
It's a balancing act everyone is trying to play for fun but also to win. If a killer goes into match with weak perks and just tries to have a fun game with survivors then the survivors gen rush and t-bag at the exit gate as they all 4 escape you think that killer is going to do the same thing next game? It goes both ways though it's like you see a weak killer or a killer having a hard time yet you don't take it easy on them you still play as if you're at the top level and to you it's a free escape or your chance at feeling like a god running the killer for 3+ gens. There is no fix for it you just need to accept it and go in with mentality that you're going to be versing the best players in the game then go easy at your own discretion when you feel that they're weaker survivors. You can let them finish some gens and get some hook saves or even just let 1 of them escape and not go for the 4k which is usually what I do.
It really just comes down to peoples mentality that pushes the game in a direction because even when a killer is playing fair but just stomping us with a really good build I still get frustrated and t-bag the killer as I run from them because I didn't have fun even though they're just doing what they need to do and it was on us survivors to play the game at an equal level.
Yeah, I agree if we also say the same for survivors, but survivors that scream this nonsense are often the same ones trying to play to win as hard as they possibly can, and then when the killer reacts to them sweating against them like crazy, they get upset that the killer sweats back. I had a game where I went after someone right after hook, picked them up, and they didn't have DS so I dropped them, and gave them a second chance, literally 30 seconds later, 2 gens pop, and then another soon after, I was forced to tunnel that person so I could catch up again. When I wasn't even planning to, but the survivors weren't chill, so I responded in kind.
Trying to get freddy adept i literally got trash talked and t-bagged like 10 games in a row
Don't give up bro u got this
second chance simulator
Its always the same in this game... when u tunnel ore slug because they finish all gens in 3 min its the killers fault... and it always was because suv mains will never understand that it is not fun at all to play vs these sweaty suvs...
For personal when i get a Flashlight in my face for the first hook ore instandly blindet after every pallet im trying to give em not a nice time at all :D
because they are not playing chill aswell
Just needs alternate objectives integrated into the gameplay to take some angst away from the main objectives.
Probably been thought up before but imagine that whenever the third gen is completed a random locker pops open and spawns a loot crate with blood points, auric cells exclusive skins, whatever. Suddenly everyone is tempted to abandon the main objective to scope out lockers. Could up the ante and highlight it’s aura after the fourth gen is done. Should dump a bunch of status effects on whoever interacts with the loot so it isn’t an easy in and out. Survivor side would seethe in postgame chat at the teammate who threw to get the loot first only to get grabbed and the team snowballed.
Yea ive genuinely stopped caring about how other people's matches go. I used to try and 2 hook everybody, be fair and make sure it's a decent game for everybody. But you can only take so much tbagging at gate, or getting messages sent before it starts to get to you. Now i just play for my fun. If i get dcs or something im not going to give the survivors any slack. That's not my fault he dc'd. Ive ended games in 4 minutes with a smile. I've ended games over 10 minutes long with a smile. Watching the patience and sanity drain out of someone is my new favorite thing to do. That's all it comes down to, really, who's mental breaks first
The only thing killers do that makes the game unfun is the constant tunneling every match, like i get needing pressure because the gens can pop really fast but ive seen alot of killers go after 1 person even with other people trying to get them off the unhooked person.. at least thats been my experience this past week or so
Good example of why this game is dead for normal players on killer
Honestly ive really only played league and dbd in terms of toxic communities and i can say hands down no questions asked dbd is a million times worse than what league can offer at least in my experience.
league players don't go on twitter or your steam profile to say how bad you are. 100% dbd has the worse community
I get there are very toxic survivor groups and bully squads, but at the same time there are also a ton of nice people that play this game and attempt to just have fun. The problem with DBD is that this saltiness gets carried over into other games and BHVR doesn't want to fix core issues.
Survivor group 1 bullies you hardcore (or sometimes not, maybe you just had a very bad game) so you bring the hardcore stuff the next game to try and up your chances at winning or take out your frustrations, which causes group 2 to think the same thing of "oh man this guy is tunneling at 5-4 gens, he's BMing and being an asshole" so they end up doing the same thing in THEIR next game, which makes that killer salty. Its a never ending loop where many people want to play a casual game, but they are railroaded into a competitive one and BHVR can't seem to make up their mind about it.
DBD also has a horrible gamestate that isn't really easy to fix. Personally I think it just comes down to the issue of generators themselves, since it takes 90 seconds for a survivor to do a generator (at 1 charge per second, it takes 90 charges to do a generator) but killers can only regress a generator after 6 fucking minutes (a generator regresses at -0.25 charges, its FOUR times longer.)
Why they don't just increase this base value of regression so that anti-gen perks aren't required anymore is beyond me. Buff the base, nerf the perks so that they are more of a minor bonus rather than "you run this or you don't win".
Or hell, just give us a gamemode where you need to last a certain amount of time with no generators? don't give survivors the ability to determine when the game ends and let the game focus be about the CHASE (the most fun part of the game for tons of people, no one likes sitting on gens for 90 straight seconds or getting hit with gen regression 5 times within the span of 10 seconds).
and for GODS sake, remove the ability to try and unhook yourself! Remove skill checks during your 2nd hook stage. I absolutely despise people who don't have the balls to play a game to the end and are given a literal mechanic to bypass the DC penalty, fucking over their team because you did a misplay within the first 20-30 seconds of a match and got hooked early. I wouldn't even mind giving the survivors a "vote to give up" button that cuts to the killer doing a Mori on everyone or something, it would genuinely be better than a single person giving up and killing themselves, and now I don't get to play the rest of the match.
I have yet to find them "ton of nice people" that you're talking about, I have 2.5k hours and whenever I want to chill and play weaker killers I get tbagged, get called a baby killer or the usual "gg ez" in the end game chat, knowing that I can win that game if I tried so why should I not do just that? survivors will be toxic no matter how the killer plays.
@@kenshi7563exactly so screw em lol I’m honestly sick and tired of their bs
DbD is the only PvP game I've ever played where you're supposed to care about how much "fun" the other side is having.
Imagine this mentality in other PvP games, "boy this guy that's 50-0 really should stop getting kills, he's not allowing others to have fun"....lunacy.
Right?!
And I thought this game was finally over with Survivor vs Killer, war, war never change.
For me, I'm having fun when everyone's actually trying to play the game in earnest. I've never raged at a flashlight save or a pallet drop or a bodyblock, I actually have come to appreciate when survivors do that. So many of my games someone kills themselves on first hook, go AFK, or purposefully sandbag teammates. As killer, watching survivors struggle against one another is a terrible feeling, because I know they're not having fun and I have nothing to do with that. They're doing it to each other. Then I hop over to survivor and there's always a spoil-sport, either another survivor or the killer.
When I play survivor my least favorite games are when the killer gives up at 3 gens and stops chasing. So, since I know that's my least favorite thing that happens as survivor, when I play killer (which is most of the time) I make sure to try to win as earnestly as I can. I want my opponents to TRY to beat me, so I assume they think the same way. They obviously don't always, but I like when they do.
Everyone complains about "Toxic this" and "BM that", but to me, the most toxic thing you can do is play as though your opponent isn't as good or better than you.
Every other game's community : "It is the developers' job to make the game fun and the optimal strategies not be the boring ones"
DbD's community for some god knows what reason : "The job of the killer is to entertain me and not to win the game. I might wanna buy that new skin, looks dope."
you nailed it here, harsh reality for the mentally unstable players
Sometimes, killers give survivors enjoyable matches. The killer themselves decides whether the game will be fun for the survivor or not.
True you might want to double check your graphic settings on silent hill , at one point a few hours in you say it's on max graphics but I could have sworn at beginning you put it on high
Not sure why this has to be explained.. kinda sad.
Reminds me of the gta players who actually complain about heists. So ironic lol
Love to see it/hear it. Survivors constantly use the excuse that killers need to care about them having fun, but i never, NEVER hear them saying that survivors need to care about killer fun.
It's a PvP game, the fun of the PvP game is to fight each other and win. Casual matches and chill matches are for custom mode
Bully squads and gen rush squads taught me when to tunnel, slug, and camp. They want outs and I want a 4k. They get cocky and the 4k gets given.
Do you think it would make the game and the player behavior better or worse if the players could see their MMR?
They need to make a ranked mode and call it a day.
To be fair, the first game you didn't even really chase anybody? my game's always end up alot differently when i play survivor lol usually dead on hook.
I’ve been wanting a perk that says “Any survivor that crouches twice in under five seconds trips and has a 20% decrease in speed for five seconds. If they crouch twice or more while the gates are opened they immediately go into the dying state and whatever killer you’re playing gets the ability to crouch and to kill the survivor by your hand.” I’d call it “Teabag This, Bitch!!” Also a perk that makes a hit that puts a survivor into the dying state fall towards you instead of forward would be nice so when they get cocky and wait for me at the endgame they get a lovely surprise when I hit them and they find out they didn’t fall into victory. That would make me have a lot of fun.
I can’t lie. There’s few things as satisfying as seeing three survivors with flashlights out in the pregame lobby not knowing I made sure Hillbilly was one of my first prestiges. That is an amazing perk. It’s completely useless in a game with survivors that are doing gens but often is a game changer when I’m playing against someone determined to blind me. I don’t even bother trying to fake turn away. I look directly into the light laughing maniacally like “Yeah, you thought so didn’t you!” They don’t even usually learn their lesson. They usually try it again and again. That perk gets me harder than playing Trickster on mobile.
Whats the name of the chair ur using?
Giving up this game and its community was VERY good for my mental health. I'll keep watching you put yourself through this until you've had enough though.
The point of true is correct if you idealize what a perfect team should be. But for me as a casual player with 1k hours I had a lot of games with survivors who dc after first blood, a meg who pre dropped every pallets at the beginning of the game someone who bodyblock you on purpose or nobody rescue you after first blood, survivors who don’t know how to counter some killers like oni, plague, legion, nemesis,myers… who will snowball you after they « upgrade » their powers. What I mean is that it’s often non binary like True tend to explain the situation: it’s not always a survivors vs killer situation but a lot of time you have to deal with a survivor vs survivor vs killer situation.
In addition to this survivors don’t have the same objectives at all! Some just want to have good chases and won’t touch a gen of the whole match, some will just care about escape the game, some will just follow you in chase to get a flash save.
The main problem for me isn’t the maps the builds, the shitty MMR system.. The problem is that we lack of game modes. Every players are going on the same lobbies by default. And 90% of the times the game will be completely random and unbalanced because of that. We need a permanent 1v1 game mode with a ladder for soloq players who don’t care about competitive and gen efficiency, a normal/or shuffle mode/2v8 for people who want to chill with fun builds, playing with friends or whatever and a competitive mode with a transparent ladder with REAL ranks (not this bullshit of iri 1) for competitive players with perks/ add on/ map offering restriction for ppl who sweaty solo q players and team and with a proper vocal !!
Only like this they will tend to a fair equilibrium between survivors/killers and satisfied everyone.
This is a endless debate with killers and survivors. No one sees the opposite side. Only way to solve it is to stop playing😂. When I'm on killer I see wym and when I'm on survivor I shouldn't have to bring anti tunneling perks to have fun. Just stopped playing and will watch players play 😂💯
I do feel like I'm one of the very few duo roles out there that actually cares about others having fun.
Its because every side has its echo chamber. The reddit is even worse. God forbid you dont hate the people you play against or think what they do is up to them. All these stupid rules both sides have make this game even worse. Cant tunnel,cant camp, no flashlight, no protection hits, no sabo. Just no this or no that. People act like the things happening are personal attacks on them instead of them trying to win.
@@lordjiraiya6230facts
I agree man. When I play killer I’m understanding of why some killers do what they do and then when I’m on survivor I see some of their reasonings as well
I get what you said about not needing to bring anti tunnel perks just to have fun but I think the cores issue here is game balance,in its current state killers that aren’t at the top of B+ tier or higher struggle to keep up consistently against above average survivors esp swfs thus reducing the viable killer pool,my proposed solution to this is first off separate casual and ranked and in ranked mode implement some sort of corresponding buff/nerf based on tier for example S tiers like nurse -5% gen kicking and pallet break speed and C tier killers like Freddy and trapper get +20% gen kick and pallet break speeds or instead of the corresponding buffs/nerfs being tied to kick speed they tie it to base regression giving the killers higher base regression based on their tier
A lot of people missed the point, this isnt a surv main or killer main issue its a pvp game issue, nobody in a pvp game is supposed to be nice to their opponent. Thats literally why its player v player its best of whoever is playing. Nobody should play dbd to make someone else enjoy their game unless thats what they want to do.
I have a rule that if there's two or more screech cobblers or terrormisus or bloody streamers in play, this is gonna be a chill maximize bloodpoints for everyone kind of game.
It’s the power dynamic. A killer can ruin one survivor’s experience on a much bigger degree than one survivor could ruin the killer’s.
I don't think so. As a survivor, matches can be pretty short. Nowadays, if you got camped or just frustrated, you kill yourself at hook and within 1 min you are already playing a new game. As killer, you can't ds, so you're stuck until the 4 survs escape (or die). And many times, when survs make fun of a killer outplaying him during the match, they like to stay, extend and tease, laughing, for example, teabagging at exits, etc. I'm not sure if I referred to the same point you were talking about, but I hope I did
And 4 survivors on comms can ruin the killer's experience far more than the killer can ruin it for just 1 survivor
The power dynamic exists, but it's tilted towards the side with literally 4x more players
i personally think body blocking should be removed from the game don't even need to use up a perk or item slot to do it devs can easily add a mechanic that makes the killer ghost through survivors the extra life isn't needed they already have hook armor dead hard flashbang flashlights god pallets decisive strike body blocks just skilless pretty much and only a handful of killers can really deal with it well heck the the so called ghosting doesn't even need to be permanent just make it active when the game detects survivors next to each other in a chase will they do this NOO cause devs all apparently play survivor 🤭🤗☠
I'll gladly explain why they didn't slow down (the survivors in the spirit game you payed)
They are playing for their lives, if they go down and get hooked x amount of times, the game is over for them, and the fun stops.
The killer is guaranteed to be part of the game, from start to finish, meaning that the killer doesn't face the same struggles as survivors.
As a survivor main myself, I don't know exactly what a killer considers to be "fun" - I assume it's having some good chases and downing/hooking survivors, correct me if I'm wrong.
When i play counter strike. I play to make sure everyone has a nice time.
You make too much sense brother, and you explain it very clearly but yet they still refuse to understand.
Play to win, winning is fun. Losing isn’t fun. Every game has a winner and a loser and this game isn’t any different. If you don’t like losing, play better and stop complaining.
To top it all off, survivors are the most toxic of the two sides and it isn’t even close. The teabags and messages when they actually beat me (rarely) is so consistent.
I’m fine with the idea of killer having no fun so long as killer automatically get 1,500 auric cells ever game
Ten seconds of BT in end game is also ridiculous.
I’m really tired of all these changes being forced on killer play styles in the name of survivor fun. But then there are rarely any changes to make the survivor play style more fun for killers to go against.
When I play killer I play to win. I dont care about the survivors fun. When I play survivor I play to win. I dont care about the killers fun. When I first started DBD I returned to hooks and used early downs to get 2nd stage hooks. When I was on my back foot I would camp someone out to try and get advantage back to my side. This just seemed like smart strategy. The issue is killers camp, or return to hook when there is no strategic imperative to do so. Survivors do the same shit too. Why are they going for flashlights when the game is basically over?
Damn, making Spirit look like an F tier killer really showcases how imbalanced the game still is, so many years after release. BHVR are just completely out of touch.
Your last couple videos the game audio completely trumps your voice, hard to hear ya.
Sounds fine to me
True you look near identical to my high school bus driver same fashion sense as well
You got a ladies man player as a bus driver? Respect!
To be honest overwatch is more toxic. My account got banned because people didnt like I had femboy in my name and reported me because I was a good Sombra LMAO! Also the things people say on there on average is way worse then dbd. The devs of blizzard DID NOT CARE. JUst sent me automated messages and basically saying they could ban me for no reason.
For the same reasons, the devs do. They are the majority and must be taken care of for the game to survive. Am I wrong, why?
Its an L either way. Both mains are so far removed that to them the other side is the Devil. Both sides have their awfulness and the loud majority complaining is survivor because is a 4 to 1 complaints. I personally prefer killer over solo q any day. I dont think sabo or flashlight saves or any of that is wrong. But i feel the same way about tunneling or camping. You do what you got to do to win. The problem is the best way for you to have fun/win feels bad for the other side. True comes off biased in favor of the killers imo but its not like hes wrong exactly. Just only talks about that side of it.
Seems like you are saying the same thins as Tru3, his point is he doesn't play so the survivors win and have fun just like the survivors don't do that, that's the entire point. He was complaining about them not "slowing down" since he had no hooks to show how ridiculous it is.
@@kuppa391 I dont disagree with his point he just usually speaks from the killer perspective because hes a killer main. Also I dont watch his livestreams often unless its Mk or something but most of his youtube videos are him bagging on survivors and how they have expectations for killers. Which again isnt wrong but if i only hear the one side from him it comes off biased.
@@lordjiraiya6230 I think everyone has an in-group bias at the end of the day, unless someone plays survivor and killer exactly 50/50 and has no preference. Not sure if that kind of person even exists tho, because people usually gravitate more to one than the other.
@@kuppa391 I dont agree with that necessarily. I play survivor more. Alot of solo q and sometimes the two man swf. But i prefer killer. But I dont hate it when I play against a sabo flashlight squad. Or when i get tunneled out. I get it. Is it fun? Not particularly but its doesnt ruin anything for me.
Only think that makes me want to unistall this game is the teammates i get when i solo q. Killer > SWF > Solo Q. But thats my opinion
because back in the years you was the biggest complainer of the camping killers thats way.
That's when the game could have gone a good direction nefore mmr pushed kills and escapes as the only win condition.
@@TrU3Ta1ent i am watching you years man! i play the game also! but i never seen non playing with all killers in such i good level. i know now i lot of good players exist. but you was not like that. i accept the fact sometimes victories needs to get dirty so be it! but i want to be honest i prefer to see you lose sometimes and been legit and non like that. this is my opinion ofcourse, i make you also i friend reguest and you never accept it but this is your call also.
I actually have gotten to the point where I'm primarily frustrated with survivors who give up on their first hook/down. I get it, it sucks when you get found and don't have a decent first chase. Why just give up though? Like, if me playing killer means I have to learn to adapt to situations, why is it survivors get a pass with "Oh, I don't like this killer, I'll just go next." Meanwhile the other 3 survivors are like, "Seriously?" I'm more sympathetic to the others who are left to either give up themselves or try and play out the match. No matter how you wanna have the "Fair vs fun" debate, survivor accountability needs to be a part of the discussion.
this game needs more killer based content creators like you.
Fun? The goal of this game is not about having fun. It's not even about winning. The one and only reason to play this game is to make the other side as miserable as humanly possible. It is the only logical conclusion that can be obtained from trying this game.
You're not friends, be nice once as a killer and 100% of the time you'll get survirours bagging and waiting at the exit gates. What's worse is this game has such a toxic player base, it's the only game I have multiple comments on my profile calling me a hacker or some slur because I beat them.
What exactly is the debacle here? Unfair game balance making the game one sided if you play to win? It's a PvP game. I would expect both sides to play to win. The issue then would be if the game is very unbalanced for one side or the other. Unless theres just unfun game mechanics but again that's not the playerbases fault, that would be on the devs to fix. Players or going to do what they can to win. It's not the players job to play worse to make the game more fun for all parties. Is it the dynamic of 1v4 that causes this?
I love how this discussion starts, and then the very next game it is proven.
Play your game, match the other's energy. This is PVP, not PVE. Imagine if the DBD community was part of the FGC or FPS genres. They'd get laughed at and shunned immediately.
The killer is NOT a babysitter.
If you want to have fun, play Sadako
She's less effected by survivor perks and if you slug too even more dont matter. Cant body block her either. Shoot you really don't have to chase much either if you condemn hard. It's nurse with less DC's
I've always found it so weird how they talk about one side thinking about the other side having or not having fun. I just wanna win the game and I'll do that by any means (yes, including tunneling in dbd). It's a pvp idgaf about your feelings
Make DS and corrupt intervention basekit.
Not DS but corrupt and make gens take longer yes.
FACTS🗣️
This mindset can be applied to both sides. And you're right, one side is not responsible for the other sides fun. Imo, I don't really care what happens within the game, as long as I have fun chases (on both sides) the only thing that bothers me is when I'm on survivor and the killer decides to just 4 man slug with knockout from the very beginning, that's the only unfun thing for me personally
on the killer side, its not fun when playing killer (especially the weaker m1 killers), the first chase costs 2-3 gens
@hampehwakenabeb7773 what are you saying? That for you m1 killers aren't fun bc too many gens pop in the first chase? Yeah, I see that. I love onryo, she's my fave m1 bc of the teleports. But I usually run 2 or 3 chase perks and 1 gen regression and it pays off for me. But I'm more casual and I'm sure my mmr on killer isn't high bc sometimes I meme with cute survivors lol
@@PettyPerkins what it means is that the survivors are doing whatever they can to escape (win), thus its not wrong for killers to do whatever they can to get the kills (win)...
@@hampehwakenabeb7773 I never said otherwise
@@PettyPerkins (continuation) i dont get why the community has double standards on what survivors or killers are able do to during a game to win i.e. survivors can do everything to win (2nd chance perks, body block, gen rush, etc.), but killers cant (tunnel/camp)?
You can try to beat your opponent in Cod game, or tekken game, or counter strike game… i always give Survivour chance to win or get more bloodpoints, trust me i have tons of matches when i can finish a match in 10 or 12 minutes or even quicker but i always give them a little bit of chance to do something, DBD is not FPS game where u gotta WIN at all cost, its a fun game, i always play like this since this game came out in 2016, i do not understand people who are tunneling, slugging or camping hooks or hexes, like, if they gonna destroy u a hex totem its a bad luck, u play and maybe u can still win that, there should be more people with this mindset..
All of this just to say that you´re in low MMR.
@@MrNorbi001 not really, playing since 2016 and rank 1 almost everytime, i win most of my games also
The DBD community is one of the most entitled communities ive ever seen. Survivors just non stop crying about everything
Anyone had an issue playing killer where you get body blocked by nothing? Happened to me again last night when I was playing as Dracula. I would be walking somewhere and suddenly I can't move like I'm boxed in. Was really annoying especially during chases when I was close to getting a down but then got cockblocked by an invisible wall. It's cheaters right?
The game was pretty fun except the parts where fun wasn’t had
I stopped watching Tru a couple of years ago. No hate, just wasn't enjoying it as much. I just came back to look at what he was doing and if he had moved on to a healthier game. It feels like I walked into the of something he was saying 2 or 3 years ago.
You're acting like stream snipers are the average players for 99 percent of the playerbase 😂😂😂 thing is as a killer there is nothing a survivor can do to prevent you from playing, but killers can slug, camp and tunnel off hook to prevent them from playing. If there are flashlights you can still slug or chase someone else. But you can never prevent a killer from playing unless they're hacking or exploiting.
You´re perfect example that school system in your country is in horrific state. Imagine to miss his point that much. 🤣
You play survivor normally and loop the killer, the community is so toxic they will say you're smurfing but are too chicken shi* to name names.
Tbh either hope the devs wake up which will never happen cause they brain dead or just hope people realize this game is dying. I hope it does die tbh and another game that has the same idea of killer vs survivor blows this game out the water. The developers of this game don’t deserve any of the success this game has gotten. The only reason that it is somewhat successful is because there is no other game like this as of yet. I can’t wait till there is one cause when that happens this game will die and I will cheer. Until then the devs will nerf one side over and over for the crybaby survivors to “have fun” ie favorable god pallets/perks/play styles while digging killers into a unescapable worthless stressful style of playing. I’m glad I quit this game the more I see the devs favor one side over and over.
Killers always let me do the the basement incantation before chasing me. Never got smy messages other than a "sorry inwasted your time" from a ghostface i crawled from last survivor. Seems people meet with same energy
lol just played a game right after watching this and i get 4 percented LOL win taken away
So fair!
Honestly I’ve got 800 hrs on this game and I won’t be back until 2v8. Survivors in this game are horrible and the worst kinds of people on the internet. I have no sympathy for solo queue because solo queue has nowhere near the stress and anxiety that comes from playing killer especially at red ranks.
Also survivors complain about killers sweating but I have not ONCE seen survivors not sweating,
They will abuse swf tactics and other glitches (like walking to never block window and to never give the killer bloodlust) to make sure the killer is always having an awful time.
I legitimately hate survivor players. They are the worst kinds of people and I hate that I need them to play this game. Wish the bots were more acceptable to play against cuz I hate dealing with this awful community.
And honestly why the fuck are they trying to “balance” and I use that term fucking loosely the kill rate and escape rate at around 50 percent. Like the killer is supposed to be the big threat but 50% of their victims get away which is what the devs want. Wtf why should the power role be equally as strong as the “weaker” role. That makes no fucking sense!
The devs should make the escape rate 20-30% and the kill rate at least 70%. I mean the killer is supposed to be powerful and only the best survivors should be able to escape right?
But no the devs need to make sure that the survivor gameplay loop is braindead easy, there is never a true threat unless the killer is extremely experienced or the killer themselves have powerful iri addons.
The power role should not be stressing out more than the victim role, PERIOD.
The worst part of it all is gaslighting. If you air any grievances you may have as a killer, you will start seeing getting lots of comments insulting you and acting as if you're making things up. All while numerous self-described killer mains come out of the woodwork to tell you how they get 4k's 90% of the time, how X is a non-issue, how Y is actually balanced, how killer is easy and you're just a crybaby etc.
I enjoy killer, but I often just end up not booting the game at all for days on end. It requires mental preparation beforehand and being ready to take abuse, whether through being sent to eerie vs a sabo squad, t-bagging clickers or post-game harassment. It just feels like killer players are the scapegoats for survivor players to take out their anger on.
I hope you know that rank doesnt matter nowaday , It's based on mmr not rank .
Anyone can get "red ranks" if they play enough so eventually those baby survivors will be red ranks but matching against them or better survivors depends on your MMR which is hidden, how the MMR system works is debatable, Tru3 thinks that at top MMR you can't get any points from killing those baby survivors, others think the MMR is capped and there's those who think that MMR doesn't exist.
i dont get this whole "im not having fun, its your fault" like... if you want fun, go play a story/immersive game. Yes DBD can be fun and it all depends on how you look at it, but complaining about not having fun is just wild
Dont want this coming off as like hate to anyone or whatever. Simply saying.. Don't like it, Don't play it
Buddies always banging on the same old drum eh? It’s not a tough concept, there’s a difference between playing to win, and playing to make someone else’s time miserable.
One’s defensible, the other isn’t. People are just intellectually dishonest on this topic in this game, and always will be.
FACTS
Survivor mains are more entitled than Baby Boomers
flashlight saves are actually my favorite thing to play around as killer. Either run lightborn and try to trick them into thinking you dont have it until end of match, position your pickups to make it hard to save and get the flashlighter out of position, mad grit build with the trickster expose perk, franklin's creating timed objectives that survivors are going to be buzzing around like flies. Love it.
I also love Head On matches and trying to bait it while I'm chasing another survivor past the obvious locker.
Why do killer have " Fun Build " when Survivor don't.
This build was unfortunately weak but I believe it was a requested build