MiniDive - Tank Filling System - Scuba Tech Tips: S12E22
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- Have a mini scuba tank and filling it with a hand pump, watch this. Alec Peirce unboxes and reviews the compact MiniDive tank filling system.
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- www.minidive.com
- MiniDive Pro Kit: 0.5L / 30 cu/in tank + MiniComp 12V compressor
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I love this guy's sense of humor
Hey, i do too!
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Thank you Mr Peirce for keeping us informed
Welcome Ivory and thanks for watching with an open mind.
Cool unit for a back up safety system! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Buddy... I cant explain how much am into your educational videos... Cheers and keep it up OG.. Am proud of you... 👌👌
So nice of you my friend. Glad these are making you almost as smart as me.
That is cool Alec I think I am going to purchase one of those. Thank you for sharing!
Very cool
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Grande abraço Alec!
Sempre divulgo seus vídeos com amigos mergulhadores da Marinha do Brasil! A galera se amarra!
Isso é engraçado. É uma boa ideia amarrar mergulhadores da Marinha? Que bom que você e todos os mergulhadores acham isso interessante e divertido. Obrigado por assistir e mergulhe seguro meu amigo.
I was looking how filling the tank but not manually and this is great. Greetings from Mexico.
Hi David, glad it was helpful.
I miss good old vintage scuba videos. Great videos as always.
More to come! I'm collecting items to continue the Vintage Scuba series.
Pretty interesting dive kit it would make a good back up system
I think so too.
Looks well made. Probably high maintenance, filters and o rings exetera. Handy in remote diving places. I like your technique of opening parcels Alec. 😆👍
Thanks Darryl, It makes a great dive knife too!
He was 4 seconds shorter to disaster when hi remember to release the pressure valve 😂😂😂😂😂good video
When in doubt, read the instructions...
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Happy Thanksgiving from USA Alec!
Party on Paul and thanks for watching me instead of football.
For those new to this type of compressor. That unit there goes by many brand name stamped onto it nothing wrong with that but you should know. Now the most important thing is just because the packaging states no oil or water needed you must still do pre maintenance and even a partial rebuild down the road relative to how often you use it. These run hot so us in the pcp air rifle world have learned not to push it. Sure it can do up to the 4500psi in a 0.5L as stated in the manual. We recommend running it up to 7 or so minutes Not 10 not 15 but around 7 or 8 minutes a session. Depressurize the line and w/fan running let it cool back down to room temp. Keep any metal to metal moving (talking about the bracket from the motor to piston rod) greased. Consider this a very light duty compressor and with some TLC you may get several years out of it. My first one was D.O.A and had to be replaced (metal to metal very nasty friction sounds) the one bearing on the motor bracket adapter was not properly greased or aliened. Have fun Be Safe high air pressures are no joke.
You're right, high pressure air is not a toy. Be careful and safe always. Thanks for sharing SK.
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So professional 😂😂😂
Thank you, I try.
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Having to use a new filter for each refill makes it sound like you will be going through a ton of the active coal and molecular sieve.
Depending on how many times you fill it, for sure. Think of this as a backup to filling from a full scuba tank.
I love u alac so much
Appreciate that Caji and thanks for watching.
Well that thing is cool.
It is cool. We talk a lot about new regs, etc but an affordable, compact compressor to fill tanks from 0.5L to 2.0L is amazing. Thanks for watching.
Muito bom para ser utilizado como reserva, pequenas intervenções. Muito maneiro o compressor!!!!!
Que bom que você assistiu e aprendeu algo novo. Obrigado meu amigo.
This looks like a branded version of a Chinese compressor you can get on eBay (there are several, with the Yong Heng being the most ubiquitous). Not sure I'd trust the activated charcoal and molecular sieve to be much more than regular charcoal and clay beads. Personally I think I'd go for a used shoebox compressor since it's made in the US and the maker was well known in the paintball industry. Also, is that tank TC approved?
There are so many similar or white labeled products, this may be that but its better made than most and works.
I need this! Was there a switch on the Power adaptor to change from 110V to 220V? Also will you be reviewing the Smaco 2L tank that just came out?
I believe the power adapter has built in 110/220 capability. It's in a box till diving season opens in Canada. Won't be reviewing the 2L tank but there are probably TH-cam videos covering it out already. Thanks for watching Ozzy.
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@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter thanks Alec you’re my inspiration! I wish I can be as fit and knowledgable like you when I mature 🙌🏼
I have a 2 liter dive tank and im searching for a portable 12 volt compressor. What do you recommend and what filters do i need?
This unit is make for 2L tanks and has filters, give it a look. Check the description for more details.
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New diver here, love your videos and have learned quite a lot! One question, will dive centers give me the stink eye if I only travel with a second stage instead of the whole regulator?
Your going to need a 1st stage, either rent, borrow or buy. Also your 2nd stage needs to be balanced to the Intermediate Pressure from the 1st stage. So having a complete unit, serviced and balanced will make your diving much easier.
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Thank you! Guess I'll save up for the whole thing
Interesting
It is but just for mini tanks.
Hi Alec i love to watch your videos,im a pcp air rifle shooter and was thinking of getting a high pressure steel tank about 100 cf and rated at 3442 psi is there a valve i can put on it to have the cylinder on the gun fill slow as oposed to fast from the regular scuba valve thanks
There are connections from a HP tank to a cylinder. Only way to fill slow is to sloooooowwwwwwllllllyyyyyy open the tank valve and watch the pressure gauge increase. If it takes about 2 minutes, should be fine.
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@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Thanks a bunch
Would you trust this without a dangerous fumes monitor. It looks like it would fill air gun tanks. Do they make a monitoring system that could be added when using in the garage. I’ve heard a regular size tanks take hours to fill and after 10, you need to cool them off.
PLEASE RVSP. WHAT IS THE COST OR THE SYSTEM YOU DISPLAYED.
The compressor fills up to 2L tanks so paint ball would be fine. Check their website for current prices by reading the video description for the link. Good luck.
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Nice video. Would you consider this a safe way to use as a ponybottle? (2l= +/- 8 minutes)
Yes, absolutely. Look for previous videos on redundant air S04E10 for a starter.
Looks ok ... BUT ... how long does it take to fill the little tank , let alone an AL80 or so ... keep the awesome videos coming ... Great Job.
Manual says its only rated for up to 2L or 10 cu/ft. They have bigger models for 80's but that may be for another day.
Is there anything specifically about this compressor, that makes it a Diving Compressor made for tanks that differentiates it from a standard compressor you’d fill a car tire with or something you’d find at Harbor Freight or Home Depot?
Well its only for tanks up to 2L, has specific temperature cut offs, air filters. May find similar but remember its not the compressor that is important but the air quality you breath.
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A tool compressor will put contamination and toxins (oil, etc...) Into the air and you'd poison yourself. Air toxicity is nothing to take lightly.
Is there a good way to trap oil and water from a mini compressor such as this? Also, how long would it take to fill a more conventional cylinder say 10 ltr?
The filters have particle and some moisture removal. This setup is not for full scuba tanks, just mini up to 2L redundant tanks. There is always a hand pump!
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@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter I see, good point. I also imagine that the handpump could second for a heart lung function test to ascertain diver fitness.
If i connect it to car compressor(air pump) ,does it work?
Only works of a/c current from a house. Not enough power from a 12v car system to power the pump.
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I got one of these type compressors for a little 3Liter. Can confirm they work and air tastes great but I have a slightly upgraded filter
These little tanks are fine for their intended purpose, short & shallow dives. Like everything from scissors to cars, up to the owner to know and understand the products safety and operating procedures (I know it's a lot to ask). Thanks for watching.
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I use one of those cheap yong heng compressors on Amazon. Haven’t used it a lot yet but works fine. Just gotta give it a break once in awhile. It has the same filter setup as the compressor in the video but with only a fiber filter. That’s definitely ni enough so I bought two of those 12 inch filters that have refillable cartridges. I use the fiber filter first then daisy chain a 12 inch half full of silica to remove moisture. Other half is 13x molecular sieves to capture any fumes from the compressor and I believe they also capture carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide. The second long filter has is 1/4 full of more moleculer sieves and the rest activated charcoal. Air comes out with zero smell or taste. You can also buy a cheap foundry to reactivate the sieves and charcoal but haven’t tried that yet. I’d recommend to anyone using these small cheap compressors to upgrade the filter setup.
"13x molecular sieves to capture any fumes from the compressor and I believe they also capture carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide" yeah... some miracle fumes from the engine and maibe CO2 and CO :))))))))))))))))))) I hope you get my point and go take a proper scuba class and fill your tanks with a proper scuba compressor or in a trusty dive shop.
@@chiranagheorghitaeugeniuth98 what do you think scuba shops use?! They use compressors that use oil just like a small one. And I’ll give you one guess on how they filter that air.
@@wormhole331 Yes I am totally agree with you. They use SCUBA compressors not aliexpress compressors and they use proper scuba filters on those compressors, some of them are rebuildable, some of them not, but the manufacturer of the proper SCUBA compressor offers the rebuilding materials not a company that rebrands some shit out of aliextress/china and sells it as mini scuba/dive system.
@@chiranagheorghitaeugeniuth98 it uses all the same principles. Scuba shop compressors are just beefed up versions. They use the same materials for the filter media. Hell alec has a video on here with small gas engine ran compressors. That’s riskier than electric powered. I will say that No one should fill their own tanks unless they do the research
Thanks for the feedback and for watching.. Others will have comments I'm sure about the filters.
Geese that little compressor can fill an 80cu tank. What about humid air? There is no desiccant?
Sorry but its rated only for up to 2L size. It could fill larger but it would be a long surface interval waiting to fill a 80. Take care Joe.
How does the air taste from them little filters?
No taste at all if filled properly. For shallow dives it fine.
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I bet that knife reminds you of your first dive knife.
I think of quartering a rotisserie chicken.
Ha for sure Brad. Good think I have a long leg to strap it to!
He's got a knife!
And not afraid to use it!
quite a interesting little gadget, wonder how long that would take to fill a al80 lol
I checked the specs and i believe it mentioned 12 minutes to fill a 0.5l bottle, (was some hours ago) so about 4.5 hours to fill a AL80 (11.1l).
Also the filter was for one filling only (0.5l), so you would need to replace the filter about 22 times for one fill of an AL80 :)
@@nilotubes it will take more than that I guess, since when the pressure in the tank rises it takes more power to add additional gas? Correct me if I am wrong.
@@Atrinax Maybe, not entirely sure, my compressor has a kind of fixed fill rate regardless of pressure, maybe this one does not? Anyhow my point was this is a kind of useless compressor for anything scuba.
For filling suit gas bottles, I would rather then steal some gas from my other tanks with a hose
@@nilotubes I am happy that smart guys in the comments point out that it is more efficient to use bigger tank to fill a smaller tank.
There is a comment that says that you better spend only $100 on AL80 and spare air than invest $1000 in this high maintenance gimmick.
@@nilotubes haha nice
It would have been nice if you timed a filling of a 2liter tank.
Thanks
The company only sent the smaller tank to test out. Still worked fine.
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@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter was that .5 l? How long did pump take to fill? Thax
@@roadstar499 my 3Liter takes about 2 hours and I’m running a bigger filter
How long will it take to fill an AL80 to 200 Bar? Days?
Probably all day.
Well according to the manual, that i did read, forever. It's one rated to fill up to 2.0 L or 122 cu/in tanks.
I can see this used as an emergency water egress system for aircrews flying helicopter overwater operations or small seaplanes that have a tendency to flip with improper landing technique. The user wouldn't be deeper than 20 ft. and wouldn't need that much capacity, also the carbon fiber has less of a weight penalty. (probably not approved for this purpose FAA or insurance wise but still better than nothing)
The user manual and web site say tanks "... meet all regulatory standards" and is sold on Amazon and elsewhere in North America and Europe.
The hand pump that came with my Dedepu setup is absolutely horrid. I'm 25 years old and build strong and it's insane to use. Not even worth using. I'm looking for an electric pump that is on a good Budget! Love your videos you got my sub!
Thanks for sharing Drew.
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Surprised to see you dont have a scuba knife in the kitchen .😉
I have lots of knives (somewhere between 40 and 100) in my kitchen and none are SCUBA ones. I keep that in my SCUBA kit along with one of my medic scissors.
Oh I do have them lying around. Open my knife drawer and there may be a 8 inch US Divers in there, just in case.
Somone have the Name from the kompressor?
It's actually called "MiniDive Pro" tank filling system.
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Is it 100% safe Air to breath?
It is air that has been through a basic filter. For shallow use it's fine.
Only topped up my dive bottle once running through filter given plus an additional, the fittings have corroded within a week. Hate to think what inside of bottles like and the pneumatics its pumped up.
Although the compressor it neat, I don’t think it’s practical. They say the compressor uses 280 Watts and runs for 20 minutes to fill the tank. About 23 amps running on 12V, using 8 amp hours per fill. Most car batteries are around 50 amp hours, only a few fills and hard on the battery.
The filter media costs $50 and lasts for about 50 fills. Not sure how often they recommend replacing oil but it costs $30. Probably adds a couple dollars to each fill.
The worst part is the price. It costs over $1000! For that money you could buy a aluminum 80 and a spare air. Use the 80 to fill the spare air and pay a dive store $10 to get a over a dozen fills on your spare air. No compressor repair, no oil changes, much less possibility of breathing bad air, and cheaper. The 80 also holds its value much better or use it when you upgrade to full scuba gear.
Agree, simply inefficient.
Good points but the one key point the compressor is for filling mini tanks up to 2L or 10 cu/ft only. Anyone can try to fill a 80 cu/ft but you will probably be a lot older when it fills. Thanks for watching KT.
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Hi Alec, I meant a cheaper alternative would be buying an aluminum 80 and have a dive store fill it. Then fill a spare air with a fill adapter :)
Hi Mr Alec how are you
can you fill the 80 tank in same compressor ?
This is rated for 2 Litre size tanks. A 80 would be a looooong time but there are more efficient and faster solutions to regularly fill 80's.
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@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Thank you very much mr alec you are a great man god bless you .
I dove last week with someone who slings a 6cf spare air which I found ridiculous until I saw his low sac rate. He can get five minutes from one unless you account for duress maybe adding some additional breathing requirement. I suppose it's reasonable to a handful of people as a better than nothing option. The majority of divers would be much better served with a larger pony bottle. The mini integrated scuba systems are only good for certified divers who want to do three minutes underwater for some reason. (Getting something off a boat propeller?) They seem dangerous for anyone else, though I don't know of many reports of related issues, because it required a bike pump in the past. The ability for the untrained to refill them easily and put themselves or their families in danger only exacerbates the issue of misunderstanding pressures near the top of the water column or trying to extend a free dive by holding a compressed air breath.
Good points Joshua. Like many mini tanks, this is a limited use for short and shallow dives or a BC vest inflator if your a vintage diver. Many items in our lives can be dangerous when not used properly: example cars, guns. Just read smart phones taking selfies kill 4x more people than sharks. We still use them right?
Unpacking or making a jack-o-lantern.
I really wanted to use my knife more but didn't know what was inside the box! You should see me butcher a dear from hunting.
It is really hard to push start a boat.
Especially if you're the one pushing it. Thanks David.
You'd need to keep the engine running to avoid a flat battery. So I see a potential contamination risk, especially if the user is untrained and doesn't realise how important that filter is
That is a possibility but what if it's an electric car? Kevin told me to say that as he has electric. Otherwise, Darwin wins again.
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter OK you got me there, or rather Kevin did 😀
Hmmm grade A Chinesium .. No wonder you wouldn't dare to take it to full pressure.
Come on Alex, you have the ability do recognize quality ... or lack thereof (lets put it mildly) when you see it ... ;)
This was a good unit. I have seen many, many compressors both small (like this) up to commercial units. For filling mini tanks, perfect!
I think 12 minutes on 0.5l is for marketing only. Because normal human consume 150l of atmosphere air in 5 minutes without activity. And this tank can contain 150l of air.
There are mini tanks up to 2.0 L or 10 cu/ft. Not intended to dive to 100 ft but for short and shallow dips.
are you still doing a full face mask video :)
On the ideas list but these were shot in August. We only get together every 3 to 4 months for new shootings these days.
The best thing I would use that compressor would be for car tyre inflation and that mini tank would look slick as a argon drysuit inflation bottle :)
And one more point here: I saw a couple of vids on these toys but this is the most dangerous to put up there. What is your sincere opinion about you doing this: You are promoting a compressor + tank + reg to the wide untrained world.Why a dive store would not fill your tank unless you put cards on the table and check your tank inspection? Why a dive store would never rent regulators to uncertified divers? Why rebresther companies will not even sell you a rebreather unless you prove you are certified or during training? Than why do you accept these companies and this one specifically. It is like " we will sell everything for someoane to be able to kill himself very very fast". I refused to show to my father-in-law how to use dive gear because I am no instructor and he is uncertified. Would you? Really curious on your argument here.
Do not get me wrong , I admire you a lot and you have some pretty good info in most of the vids but I really do not agree to what are you doing related to these products....They are dangerous and there are a lot of stupid people in this world.
Just and example: someoane will fill that tank with that compressor near the car thatvhas engine running, not drainingvthe battery, and will put some carbon monoxide inside that tank. After that that person will take that underwater... I think that chances that his wife and 2 kids to light up some candles in the same day are very very big, indirect proportional to the size and wheight of that "scuba tank"..... does this ring some bells?
Completely agree, I admire the work of Mr. Alec on educating us but this is a dangerous product to advertise.
I knew there would be these comments.. guys these products have been out there for years and there are many brands.. at some point you have to accept they are here to stay.. there are inherent risks with many activities that can lead to injury or death and we have to trust people will read and understand the product they are using, I see people using these in shallow rivers, I haven't yet read about anyone using it as a primary air source for open water diving .. dive hookahs have been out for even longer than these and people successfully use them. The dive community needs to ease up a bit and welcome the innovation.
I know about hookahs but do not compare. The hookahs are used in conjunction with a dive operator or some of them, which are very dangerous for non divers, are a floating gas engine with a tube that goes to the diver. But this "pony" is ridiculous. With the hookahs the out of air is less probable, at least with a full tank and engine running , but with this... 5 breaths and you are out and in panic. I hope I will not get the chance to read a death report on DAN about these.....
Yes they are on the market for some time but they were coming with a hand pump and after pumping 1/4 of a cylinder everyone would have thrown them away , but now with a chinese compressor? with no proper filtration? I knew a guy who was breathing from a oil contaminated cylinder. Imagine what happened in 3 years with him... We had an accident in our country with 2 "specialists" that were in the water with less than minimal equipment. Imagine what happened to both in 3 meter water. And now a complete filling and barely minimal diving apparatus is being sold to the wide public... crazy times.
Accept and agree with these??? Let's go back than to the J-valve and no SPG or computer.. it's much safer. I strongly think that the international safety organizations should put a ban on the sale of these. People back 20 years ago were much more careful with their lives and used to read the manuals, now almost 80% don't even bother tacking the manual out of the pouch. Come on what are we talking about.
Have the agencies do a pony diving intro course and yes, than it would be great.
I see divers first time in dry suit, uncertified for dry usage, that put 25 kg of lead on them... and they at least have an idea about diving procedures and diving dangers. When accidents will start to arise because of these chinesium products the entire diving industry and diving community will be put in a really bad light, regulations will become absurd, and so on... and why? To put some money in a stupid chinese company's pockets?
@@toms4022 where is an innovation in a cylinder that gives you a couple of breaths?
The molecular sieves capture carbon dioxide and monoxide and moisture. The charcoal will catch what’s left.If you follow their directions and change the media often it is just fine. I use a cheap Chinese compressor but I use a 24 inch column of silica, Molecular sieves and charcoal.
The filters aren't good enough for scuba
Since this is not for full scuba diving, just short and shallow depths. The product manual says it many times but lets see what actual divers use it for.
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter I was looking into getting a similar item but decided against it as I wouldn't trust the air for breathing. I think they are more suited to paintballing.
hard to understand who will buy it? some amateur without proper training :-/ ? if you need spare air in case of emergency, buy a tank and refill it from your tank after dive or ask staff in dive shop or use handpump with twenty minutes of excercising :D ... if you have your own boat or swimming pool and need to do maintance you will definitely choose some hookah system because you need work more than few minutes. If you want to use it during snorkeling for something in the deep you will be limited too. Maybe it is possible to fill larger common tanks after looong time, but does it worth? fill tank with air costs 5 USD .. Alec you are great diver, the best diving youtuber, you made hundred short videos here and explain almost everything in excelent way here. Thank you for this, but ... pls don't do videos like this.
I though so too about who would buy it then my researched showed a LOT of folks buy these. Maybe like Christmas fruit cake, buy it, take one bit, put on shelf for 20 years but they do buy it.
Yes I have a spare air that I fill from a full size tank. But I have an interest in the mini compressors. ;)
If one doesn’t have a large compressor, this would do the trick for quick adjustments on the first and second stages or for checking performance after doing a service on your regulator set. All my regs are pre- 2000 and are simple enough to do myself(contrived). This would work for IP and breathing checks on 1st and 2nd stages. 🤷🏻♂️
He said "flexible hoes"...
They are the best kind. The adjust to all sorts of positions.
Did I say that! Oppps. Still it is true.
Why did you not do an air quality test on the system? Send it in for analysis? What is the time to to fill an 80 cf cylinder? Did it die trying to fill a 80 cf cylinder? You were marketing this set up, seems you are? You are not Really telling what we need to know or was that the point. Market this system.....
The largest size tank the compressor is rated for is 2L or 10 cu/ft, and 80 would take a loooong time. As for air quality, if used right for short and shallow no air test is needed. I'm not marketing this, note there are NO links in the description to Amazon or the maker. This is information only. Thanks for watching U.M.
This rumbling on is just horrid
Lots more to check out.
How long can you run it for before it over heats
The compressor has a temperature monitor to stop when too hot. Manual does not say what temp is too hot.
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Lord! Where's your Tractor Supply cutter?! 🤿🦈
That was a latter video. Wish I had it.
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