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I love how Doug is really been bringing out the deepest parts of his inner corvette guys soul with each of these question panels 🤣🤣
which doug
…but why in Johnny Knoxville’s voice?
Expected him to go "My Corvette is best Corvette 'cause..." XD
the lawn chair had it 🤣🤣🤣
But man he is pretty realistic in all honesty, especially with the C4/C3 reference 😂
If you listen really closely during this entire video, you can hear Miata prices going up in real time.
So glad to have bought mine back in 2019 just before the market shift.
Bought mine the same year. Newly minted miata owner "essential" during quarantine. What a time to be alive.
Sold mine in 2019 ;-;
Seems NAs have gone up 20-40% depending on the condition, but 1.2x $3,000 isn’t a huge jump. NBs seem flat, and NC/ND are still depreciating
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Got my Elise in 2018.
I KNEW Randy was going to shout out the Volvo 740! As a long-time 240 and 740 owner, people these days would be shocked how well they handle out of the box. With a little wrenching and upgrades, they are really fun to drive and you wont lose your license taking them up to redline! Long live the turbo brick!
A Volvo wagon is on my bucket list
Heat hear!
Can't believe no one picked Toy. MR2 Spyder True mid engine . Best handling.
Until you hit the brakes
@@gingerninjer355 not referring to braking power... I'm referring to the deadly snap oversteer that it's notorious for. RCR has a great demonstration of it in their review of the MR2.
@@NickSchoess stupid, not every gen has that issue.
Good call. I like those except the first gen.
@@NickSchoess Snap oversteer is nothing but driver error. It is such an easy car to drive fast.
986 Boxster ftw!
S2000 are just sooooo expensive now... sad but true.
I have an 84 Porsche 944 and even though its slow, its incredibly well balanced, handles fantastic, well built and just an all around great car.
Good shit
I've got a early production 86 Turbo and i freaking love it.
My motto is "Sucking Gas Hauling Ass"
A 944 has been my dream car since I watched 16 candles about 10 years ago, I am absolutely in love with that car
My boy has 2 944 turbos, 88, n 89 tho
I should have picked the S2000 haha. Cheap is relative though, and I bought that trackrat Miata for only $800. Hard to beat the amount of car for the money haha. Thanks for having me on!
The s2000 hasn’t been cheap in years. I would have not gone with that
@Steve Munguia like I mentioned, cheap is relative. To some people, $15-20k for a sports car may be considered "cheap." A decent s2k is now $15-17k+ in my area. That brings you an s2k with around 140k+ miles, some light mods, not so great paint etc. Miss the days where those numbers brought you a more pristine one, but I still think those cars are well worth the money. Not much else like it out there
Pretty much the Elise, S2000 and Miata. TR6 was a good call.
@@daveblock4061 all great options indeed
@@gingerninjer355 exactly Ginger! 😂
I had a 2002 S2000. One of my favorite all-around cars. Torque/power was low, but the fun factor was top notch.
Anyone else laugh when he said the Honda S2000 was cheap?
Hard to go wrong with a corvette around 10k. But my pick would be an E36/E46 3 series. RWD, manual, 6 cylinder, lots of aftermarket support.
Ed's idea of a "cheap" Sports car now cost about the same as some BRAND NEW cars... Cannot wait to see what the rest of this list is comprised of, heh! I'd speak my favorite but they're starting to rise in value as well... Casey, Randy, and Ficarra have some excellent choices though no one on the list mentioned my favorite with that 80's digital dash, T-Tops, and Pop-ups... XD
I thought Ed only liked lambop’s with the side mirror knocked off?
98-02 F-body... Huge aftermarket, nice T56 six speed and an aluminum LS from the factory, decent suspension,and can be built from mild to wild, for any discipline you enjoy
I love my SLK320 I picked up for $4K last year, was over $50K when new, sure wish she was a 6 Speed! Magic Mike loves his SLK32 with 348HP, I'm sure they can be had for cheep! And yes my 92 Yellow Miata was a hell of a ride back in the 2000's!
Impossible to find in 6speed..
I'm surprised nobody said the 350Z or 370Z
I was looking for this comment.
Same , id get an 07 08 350z over any miata.
Many are now becoming "drift missles" and they have an extremely fatal flaw with the oil stick.
Just bought a 1.6 spec Miata, going to race it this year in the SCCA. Can’t wait! Nice to hear all the Miata praise here.
C5 Corvette is the best bang for your buck. Find a well sorted R title version, toss on C6 Z06 shocks and sway bars and whatever exhaust you want, put the targa top in the trunk area and cruise it all over reliably. Plus you can work on it yourself.
There a bit old but ‘65-‘69 Corvair. Despite what Ralph Nader said about them, they actually handle really well. They’re fun in the twisties, rear wheel drive. You can get them with manuals and they come as coups, convertibles and four doors!
my dad had a corvair monza, and it was excellent. instant heat, handled great, and was sporty.
@@ralphharrison6622 yeah the Monzas were the ones to have
Always liked the Yenkos too!!! But im sure those arent cheap!
Yeah but way old.
If you go that far back. ZERO was better than a '67 Ford Mustang.
I'm so glad Randy and Arne brought up the rear wheel drive Volvos! Great question and answers from the community. Would love to see more quick videos like this when Doug isn't able to get in front of the cameras. MORE DOUG PLZ!! He's GOT to have a great Corvette story with the C8s by now....
Arnr brought up a front wheel drive one though, however these are two of the only cheap ones I heard of here other than a Miata, where the hell will you find a 911 under 10k that runs? You can't, trick question
@@that_camo_bronco_guyyou can’t, but the guys saying you can get a boxter under 10k are right
Something he neglected to mention is that the Volvo 7xx & 9xx series are practically indestructible, same for the Aisen Warner transmissions they put in them.
987 Boxster/Cayman all the way. One of the best handling cars I’ve driven only surpassed by newer caymans and Boxsters. Imo the handling feels better than a 997.2 Turbo S, a 991.2 Turbo, and a 2015 Audi R8 v10. (Just some reference as to how good it is).
Damn, I'm glad no one mentioned the E46, keep the prices low till I can afford at least 3 of them XD
Right! I love videos like this but they're super effective at driving up prices
Everything said about the Volvos is 100% right. I bought a pretty rough 95 850 turbo wagon and it’s still fun being fwd
I agree with so many different opinions in this video. Just swapped ATSV big brakes on to a C5 corvette for track use. Super cheap big brake mod.
S2000 owner here and I was ecstatic to hear Ed start off with that considering I have always enjoyed every car in his collection, so looks like we may have a similar styles lol def not in clothes style though 😂
I love that Ed has dragonfruit on his shirt. Only CarTrek guy who could pull that off. :)
I'm surprised nobody mentioned the Miata!
S2000 has one of the best feeling MT transmission I have ever driven; owned one in pristine condition for 2 years; eventually sold it because it was not the best for daily driving. But chassis felt so rigid, not a slightest of flex which I cannot say about my bro’s new ‘22 Miata.
I love Miata, but I'd like to try one.
Having had both an S2000 and ND Miata I completely agree and find it a bit disappointing that the newer ND is so much worse than the S2K in chassis stiffness, particularly since it’s the newer car but I guess that X-back bone chassis that the engineers raves about really did work. The most surprising thing though is, despite having better chassis stiffness I actually find the ND2 was more fun and better to own that than S2K in almost every single way 🤔
@@jameswillard1 Great recap; I agrer on that too, revving the heck out of the engine and wait until VTEC kicks in was getting tired after a while plus ND is more comfortable for most roads. Still, if it is the pure fun factor you are looking for, S2000 is a the one for may be a 3rd car to own, not even 2nd.
another one missed is the BMW Z4's, older ones are getting cheap. although not that fast its a inline six manual stwo seater.
How about a 190e? Multilink rear suspension, came with manuals and a variety of engines. Plenty around, super reliable, plenty of aftermarket.
Had a bored out 69 mgb that was fun to drive but had lots of flex in it but for pure fun nothing beats a shifter kart. My 80 cutlass Supreme with a medium built 350 was a great cruiser at 90 mph.
A c5 z06 is my somewhat affordable dream sports car but the c7 manual gets me harder faster than anything.
Shifter karts arnt road legal sadly..
My opinion based on personal experience, the Chevy Cobalt SS Turbo. Those things are an absolute blast. Yea they're fwd, but if you're looking for a drift car there are many more options. For a straight up driving car, definitely the Cobalt. Dirt cheap, you can get upwards of 300-350whp without doing a full engine build, they handle great, look great (imo), just all round a fun time.
Go back to the basement
@@KA-om9oz Who ever said I left?
As an Aussie I would have to say that a Holden or HSV Ute with the V8 motor would have to be an awesome vehicle. RWD, manual gearbox and (depending on what you can get in budget) power to burn from the big V8. Plus its a vehicle in a style that will likely never exist again (car body with a rear tray).
😂😂 "rear tray" 🤣🤣 I just watched donut n James was just saying "oh sorry last episode I said holden was a truck with a bed, not a bed, rear tray" 🤣🤣🤣
Definetly a Birkin or a Caterham any lotus 7 replica. Shove whatever motor you have lying around it and have a blast. Mine had a 2.0 16V turbo charged opel motor. Parts are cheap just shove in whatever parts you have lying around the workshop. My business partner had one with a 1.6 Ford engine out of an estcourt. Blew the bugger up and just for kicks threw in a 1.9 tdi engine out of a diesel vw polo.
Gotta love a diesel Caterham though.
A neighbor of mine who knows I'm into cars, asked me about a cheap, fun little car for a weekend toy. I suggested a Miata. He's not really a car guy per se, but after speaking with him for a little while, it's the right car for him.
Ed where do you recommend I find a salvage or blown engine 360 modena? I've been searching online but nothing seems trustworthy or reputable
Lexus is300 especially if you can find a non-abused manual. 4 doors, super reliable, and still so much fun to drive. They still look cool also 🤘
Looks cool is a matter of opinion, ha!
@@JK-js2td It's good for a daily.
not to mention the sc300 (or 400). about as close as us normies could get to owning a supra without going into debt
for me it's the American tuner triplets: Chevy Cobalt SS, Ford Focus SVT, or Dodge Neon SRT4. they're cheap as dirt, drive pretty good, and theirs aftermarket parts to fix most common problems that they have.
They look so damn ugly though.
986 boxter s with good tires handles like a dream.
I'm with you Big Guy, still covet the S2000, loved that 944 forever too. I took a ride in late-model S4, never forget it.
Fun episode. Randy Probst “weld the differential and go drifting” 😂😂😂
Glad to see the TR6 getting a mention.
Same. I wanted one very badly as my first car. They were a little too expensive in 1979! Note that he said, "well sorted." I usually see them in pretty trashed condition these days. Sad.
It's about as much fun as can be had. Finicky though.
Had a Boxster, great driver. Miss the hell out of mine. But I'm not a big soft top fan, so Cayman is more inline for me. Just a shame I can't find a 987 PDK car :(
I went for a VE Holden SS Ute, 6 litre LS, 6 speed manual, big brakes etc and the biggest boot (trunk) of all the cheap sports cars.
Mr2 Spyder. Better power than a Miata. You sit down with a really well thought out seating position, hear the raspy 4 banger behind you, and it just feels like it was built to be a sports car from day one. Handling is very good on dry pavement without much bias for oversteer or under steer. The only time to watch out is in the rain. A wet road will rapidly snap the rear end out under hard turning. Overall, great car though!
Hello from Australia.
Deffinetly can back the Miata. I've driven a stock NA Miata and a NC Miata with a track set up both fill you with confidence and give you a smile when you drive. The NC was more powerful was it was modified to track focus.
After watching this video, I REALLY want to get an old Mazda MX3. My mom had one ages ago with the 1.8L V6 and a 5 speed. Obviously it's not the Miata MX5, but it looked pretty cool, and that V6 had some pep for how tiny it was.
Next Car Trek: If the MX5 is apparently more or less the best affordable sports car, which generation/version is the best?
NA1 or ND2 in my opinion
It all depends on what you're looking for.
Back when I was in college, an early 90s Lancia Delta HF Integralé might've made this list at only £4,000 - £18,000. Then Top Gear and Fifth Gear did episodes on them and their value skyrocketed over the next few years - now the same ones can be seen for around £80,000 - and that was a few years ago I last checked!
I want doug to review his kitchen pantry as a corvette owner. Anything in that character would have me in stitches.
Twins for a daily only vehicle you can be a weekend warrior with and autocross and track. Can finance a GR86 tomorrow (assuming you can find one in stock)
MX5 for a second vehicle.
After that you need a bunch of cash on hand to buy anything. C5 or boxter/cayman are safe bets.
The 1st gen IS300 was my Miata. Koni’s & sticky tires made that car a riot!
What other questions should we ask the panel?
Money no object three car garage
Most over rated car!
-How do/did they practice driving? Snowy parking lots? Twisty back roads? No such opportunities and they had to suffer through Florida's straight roads and only got sporadic track days or trips somewhere else over the years to do proper driving to hone their skills and get the feel for driving? Did they get driver training?
Where they lived was sporty driving risky or easily possible without risk?
Preface it with, "Other than the Miata" and add a price limit because "cheap" is subjective. Obviously you can't redo this video in the near future, though. So I'm all for @TopiT23 suggestion. Most overrated car ever
Most underrated car!
Evos are not cheap at all they cost as much as a new car now
That's adsatly what I thought no way is any generation cheap and they certainly drink like an alcoholic on a night out. Top gear I'm English in the days when it was the best motoring comedy journalism in the world. Clarkson had an 8 Fq360 doing 4 mpg on a track. At the time on track a Lamborghini Gallardo was doing more.
Third gen Camaros, the market tops around 20k and decent running driving cars are around 5k fun lots of aftermarket parts, you can't go wrong
I'm English so we don't have the Miata , MX-5 we do have , 5 or 6 years ago you could have a good 1 for £1500 not now. But you can have a reasonable NC for £2500 or a good 1 for £3000 . A good NB £2000 . They are by far the cheapest over here. The 850 Volvo was mentioned we didn't get an 850 called the Turbo , however we got 3 versions with the same Turbo.just each model had more power . We had 850 T5 , T5R and R. T5 had 230, T5R 245 and R 260ish. They are not cheap anymore but all fantastic a rough T5 can be found for £5000 upto at least £15,000 for a nice 850R. The 850R Mike Brewer bought 1 when wheeler dealers was in the states. Back In 2018 he sold it for $14000 so about £11000 back then. They definitely have a cult following here in Europe but they certainly aren't cheap.
There were a ton of good answers here. But I stand by my decision. Even if Doug called C4's "junky" right before me 😂
Miata's an obvious choice, but an RX8 with a good engine can be had for cheaper and is pretty much a Miata with a little more power and better handling. If you really want to save money you can get a blown one for dirt cheap and rebuild the engine and you'll have a really solid car for around $4000 at least where I live.
Best answer yet. Yes, I'm a RX-8 owner ;)
I've driven an s2000, Miata MX-5, and RX-8. I'll take the RX-8 hands down! It has more power, better handling (especially with PS4S tires), a 9500rpm redline, and room for four passengers. It's been my daily driver for 7 1/2 years. They are under $10K, but just make sure you get the Series II (2009-2011) for much better reliability.
Pontiac solstice. Stick w turbo. Very close to 50/50 balance. 270hp ish 2.0l gm
"What is the best cheap sports car, and why is it the Miata?"
My 1990 firebird formula with the ws6 package for 4k$ was the best car purchase I've ever made fun wise
For me I find blasting thru the hills in my BA Ford Falcon xr6 a blast. It not even being the turbo or v8 model too. It handles well and the mighty barra has enough power but a xr6t or xr8 would be even better.
AS a Mazda MX5 NC owner living in the Scottish Highlands -it's the perfect car for some pretty well perfect roads maybe if I lived in the US a corvette would be my choice but here and now MX5 every time
Hey Collin! It was running a Miata through the Highlands which made it my choice. The Highlands is one of the most beautiful places in the world and full of delightful people. Thanks for watching!
@@christophermichaels th-cam.com/video/5eW0KsImRm0/w-d-xo.html - not my video BUT I drove all these roads last summer - usually early on a Sunday mornings - the best car weather and road combination
6:00 IMO the civic/integra has the most aftermarket support of any platform period. JDM Honda vtec engines go crazy.
I agree with Arnie on the Volvo 850 wagon, wish I still had mine it was an absolute joy to drive and I've driven much fancier stuff. Was hoping to see Garage 54 on here saying Lada though :-)
The Coyote s197 is a great cheap sports car. With a Watts link you can pull a G on the skid pad. The GT is one 3400 pounds and the Boss 302 is 3600 pounds. The MT82 is it's Achilles heel but a stage 3 transmission from Ben Calimer is 4k and that includes the core.
Mk3 focus st. New nice and relatively cheap. Easy to build. And sounds amazing
E36/E46 M3 Convert w/ 5/6 speed
Can be had sub 15k with some miles
miata of course, but specifically, if you can find a deal on one, get a 2.5 swapped 3rd gen. its a LOT more torque than even an nd so you CAN wind it out, but you dont have to. and its just a slightly better car all around than the na/nb.
Im really surprised no one mentioned the BMW 1 series. Can be easily modified. Can be had with or without turbo. 50/50 weight ratio. And damn cool looking.
Plus its a simple BMW not full of electronics. Its a back to basics model.
I love mine!
S2000s are fantastic starter track cars. I track mine and from the factory they're pretty much set up for track work! Over time you will need to address rewelding the front wishbone arm mounts and upgrading valve retainers and keepers but that's pretty simple
Wouldn't call them cheap anyone
@strangeclouds58 decent ones are 15k but at that price they're basically track prepped Miatas with significantly more power
@@philspaghet I've seen really nice ones for 30k plus
@@philspaghet Shoot a decent Integra that hasn't been completely ruined is selling for 15k easy
2005 Holden VZ Sv6, $4000 handles like a dream, got an alright kick, easy to modify, comfortable
Any holden is great when I was living in Australia I had a Brock commodore and an old S5000 that I paid two trailer loads of manure for. I believe they have both rocketed in price.
The ve has a better chassis, give one a go, I literally just sold my vz for one
I am surprised that nobody mentioned the MINI John Cooper Works or Cooper S 2 door hatch. Cheap to buy and easy to modify. They handle like they are on rails. Even the Smithsonian channel added the MINI to it's series Supercar Super builds
they're great new cars, but are a nightmare upkeep with higher mileage. Too much modern BMW genes in it
Knew the Miata would figure heavily in this one...I am cleaning my NC Miata's engine bay while this video is playing. I would also say a C5 or C4 Vette isn't a bad choice if you must have the ability to shred tires, or want to be able to dust a late model minivan with a V6...
1993 Miata here.
Hands down most fun car. I've owned muscle cars, street rods, but there's something special about s Miata.
Gotta love Randy. Weld that diff and go drifting!
I am surprised no one mentioned a gd wrx or e30 325
And older prelude very fun a balanced
I honestly don’t think you can argue with a c5 corvette or a ls1 camaro z28 . Even a lt1 fbody is a lot of car for the money
I was really starting to worry no one was gonna say the Boxster S. They are quite a few low mileage, sub-15k out there nowadays.
Yep, just got to make sure the bearing has been changed.
Don't be taller then 6ft. If you are taller you won't fit in it. Your knee will hit the steering wheel every time you release the clutch.
That said, he 3.2S is a peach, great brakes, a LOT of grip and it has a 6sp gbox as well.
@@jfv65 if Ed can fit in and drive a Lambo, even his manual LP-640, I'm sure it can be done. I fit fine in a Boxster S , 6ft and normal leg:torso ratio, but definitely need the top down to put a helmet on.
I'd love to have an S. A Cayman would be nice too.
@@missioncreekstyle3814 0% chance I could wear a helmet in a Cayman. If I wasn't going to track it at all, it's even more reason to have a convertible for a canyon carver.
E36, straight 6, longitudinal engine, RWD, 50/50 weight distribution, just as God intended.
I've owned half of these. Boosted Miatas, b5 audi s4's and 986 boxster S. They're all great choices
The amount of Miata compared to boxter is appalling. The Porsche boxter is incredible and you can find them well UNDER 10k
Back in the day I would have said the Datsun Z series, but that was then, and nowadays yer lucky to find one intact, let alone running.
Like the S30 Chassis? You're right. You will need help finding one, especially a 240Z. They are also much more expensive than many of these cars now! I'd love to have another. Mine was a rust bucket. The 1975 280Z is the one to get in California, as it's the last that requires smog. You can swap engines in one, many choose a V8, but I like to keep it JDM. Usually a more powerful Nissan engine. I have a 300ZX N/A Slicktop set up for the track. I have been to Laguna Seca and Thunderhill. Great car.
@@missioncreekstyle3814 Duder definitely has a point about the Volvo 7xx & 9xx series though! Surprisingly fun to drive and there's SO MUCH you can with them using FCP Euro
Not to mention moar reliable than your average track car because, yaknow, older Volvo!
Miata. Always more fun going fast in a slow car than slow in a fast car.
How about the Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo? With bolt-ons, you can make double the stock horsepower. A challenge to work on, but it looks sexy (IMO). I have an NA. Even cheaper and easier to work on. Not featured in Fast 'n Furious - so not as popular. :-) Trust me, it's a proper driver's platform.
Miata enthusiast here, so you know my answer!
But my younger self would have said DSM, they were cheap, plentiful and fast. Now they are harder to find a good one
Dodge stratus 2001, all Mitsubishi with dodge badges
I’ve been daily driving a Miata in Canada for 1 1/2 years I still smile whenever I get to drive it. You really can’t go wrong with one
I like the cayman option.
FC RX-7 is probably my pick, and you can possibly find the turbo2 variant in the right place for less than $10k
I got to agree with Ed on this one I think the Honda S2000 or the Honda Prelude are a blast I miss my Prelude so much
Fame at last for my MX-5! Definitely the best car for Scottish roads.
Cadillac Ats, you can get everything from the camaro minus the v8. The chassis is amazing and the parts are surprisingly cheap
EDIT: YES John Temerian!!!!
Porsche 996. Got mine for $15k a few years ago. Hasn't cost me hardly anything to own and enjoy it for these last few years. A blast to drive!!! Sold my first one with 180k miles and the buyer (last I heard) was over 200k miles. Bulletproof cars once you sort the IMS. Buy a warm-climate car, if you can, to avoid bore-scoring issues.
7th/8th/9th gen accord v6 6mt coupe. Underrated by a longshot
Thanks for bringing this back… prices have changed a lot since 2 years ago 😢
Genisis Coupe 3.8L….rear wheel drive and tons of fun.
Peugeot 505 turbo. Like $800, get the head redone with magnaflux, good to go RWD
I own a 2000 Miata (recent project -fixer upper) and a 2001 Boxster S (near mint).... I approve of this video
Ficarra’s TR-6 FTW!
Jack Thornton is working on a Noble M400. Nice! At least some people have good taste.
For the money of most of the picks id get a Honda Crx Del Sol. A good base is about 5k. Aftermarket support is endless. If your fancy grab the junkyard ls of the Hondaworld. A K Series. All in youre less then 15k for a really good built. They have good room to be daylied and have great handling.