I very much admire Mr Kishore for his factual narratives, which do not goes well with the West which has the horrible habit of badly distorting the facts
We learned about the original R.O.C 11 Dash Line as a school student in Taiwan (Rep of China). It was drawn in 1947 after China recovered all the islands after World War II . The 11 Dash Line linked all the islands together to clearly mark China territorial waters which was at the time recognized by the American and international community. The American recognition of the 11 Dash Line lasted until San Francisco Conference in 1951 when the American specifically excluding China from the conference as the Communist Party in China-controlled most of mainland China at the time and proclaimed the establishment of the People's Republic of China in 1949. At the San Francisco Conference, the American made unilateral arrangement in an attempt to deny Chinese ownership of their islands that was previously international recognized belonging to China and put all these islands into a dispute. However, at the time no one including the current neighboring claimants bothered to dispute China's claim to these islands and reefs, but China also did not have the ability to consistently enforce its sovereignty to these islands due to lack of military power and internal weakness caused by WW2 and the Civil War. Neighboring states only started to violate China's claim, occupying certain islands and reefs when it was speculated that the South China Sea might contain oil and gas.
Yes, including the Senkaku Islands but until now Japan still refuse to return all those island to China, with USA supporting them. Now that China has regain its strength and power, Japan & USA should not continue to deny China's rights and territory.
Thank you for sharing. Can you please elaborate on what it means for China to "recover" the islands in 1947? How and in what sense? Did ROC had actual control? Also why didn't the US support ROC's claims on the islands in 1951 since it recognised ROC as the government of China?
Philippines territorial dispute with Malaysia is far greater. It claims the whole of Sabah state and Malaysia supports Mindanao separatism. The fact that Vietnam controls more islands in South China Sea.
It’s just clear that you have no clue what happen to Sabah. The reason why it was awarded to Malaysia. It’s still international law based decision. It’s really true water that runs in a shallow river is noisy. Putak ng putak yong may konti lang ang alam.
The trade figures doesn’t include the tourism industry business. Chinese tourist are known to be the heavy spenders and their numbers are way bigger than the US. If you include those numbers then it clear how deep the linkages are between China and ASEAN
prof kisore is a man with perspective. He is practical and he often speaks up. The world needs man like him. Although Being Chinese , I also don't like the idea of the 9 dash line. I believe China could compromise on this at the negotiations table.
As Indonesians, we actually understand why China wants the South China Sea. I think China is afraid that if they don't claim it, someday America will build a military base there. But still, that doesn't mean we agree with China's way. The enmity between China and America is not our concern. Do not drag us into your enmity with America.
Yes, it was in the student text book in Taiwan (Rep of China). We learned about the original R.O.C 11 Dash Line was drawn in 1947 after China recovered all the islands, the 11 Dash Line linked all the islands together to clearly mark China territorial waters which was at the time recognized by the American and international community.
The American recognition of the 11 Dash Line lasted until San Francisco Conference in 1951 when the American specifically excluding China from the conference as the Communist Party in China-controlled most of mainland China at the time and proclaimed the establishment of the People's Republic of China in 1949. At the San Francisco Conference, the American made unilateral arrangement in an attempt to deny Chinese ownership of their islands that was previously international recognised belonging to China and put all these islands into a dispute. However, at the time no one including the current neighbouring claimants bothered to dispute China's claim to these islands and reefs, but China also did not have the ability to consistently enforce its sovereignty to these islands due to lack of military power and internal weakness caused by WW2 and the Civil War. Neighbouring states only started to violate China's claim, occupying certain islands and reefs when it was speculated that the South China Sea might contain oil and gas.
@@Albert_Einstein_not . The territorial claim of Marcos Jr has no basis at all. UNCLOS does not apply to territorial sovereignty matters. Who brought the matter of dispute between Philippines and China? Not China and not Philippines, but the Americans. Why did the Americans brought the matter to the PCA and not the ICJ (International Court of Justice)? By the way, when Malaysia and Singapore had a dispute over territorial sovereignty of the Pedra Branca, which lasted from 1979 to 2008, the two nations were sincerely trying to genuinely solve the territorial sovereignty issue, and hence chose to bring it to the ICJ, which has jurisdiction over such matters. The American Law firm which initiated the case to be heard by the PCA (which is not a UN body) on behalf of Philippines was likely aware that the PCA is just an arbitration court, which has no jurisdiction over the legal hearing of territorial disputes. Ask yourself why? Is the purpose for public relation publicity and optics to shame China , and not sincere effort to resolve the territorial sovereignty rights? "Ill-gotten gains", even in public optics, by duplicitous means do not endure. The two countries - China and Philippines will always be geographically nearby each other forever (until the end of the World) to come, long after either USA, or China, is still consequential nation..
The issue is whether historic claims like the 9 dash line are excluded under UNCLOS. It will be interesting to hear Kishore’s views as he is familiar with how UNCLOS was established and what was discussed
As simple as following International law, we all are supposed to be law abiding countries. Scarborough is thousand nautical miles away, it’s less than 200 nautical miles from the Philippines.
@@agusedyanto3324 seriously sabi ni Digong? that’s been Philippines since the time of Spanish colonization that’s year 1700 while China didn’t even exist China used to be a part of Mongolia do your research wag putak ng putak dahil sa na narinig mo sa kung sino Mann ang sinasamba mo gamitin ang utak, wag bobo.
Sovereign water is 22km from coastline. Exclusive economic zone is 370km from coastline. Stop your stupid perspective of 11 dot lines. If talk about old grand mother story china belong to Mongolia or taiwan period. You better go back india and keep talking rubblish and see what happened.
It's very convenient for this speaker to say these things because his country dont have a part of their population affected by this Chinese militarization, China can make acres and acres of Bases within its EEZ,
@@herryso6238 Who is the dragon? The ornaments on houses and rooms? Yeah consequences happens, japan had seen it during WW2 and your Fictional dragon is following the playbook Tripartite AXIS with Russia and Nokor it will end up the same with China signing the peace pact on board a Chinese militia ship.
But you support 'Americans' stealing lands from the natives? Why didn't you ever protest against stealing of lands from the natives of the Americas, Australia and New Zealand?
If only the deaf Western leaders would actually listen instead of just hearing what Mr Mahbubani keeps saying on all his travels overseas to the West, perhaps they might start to reconsider their actions.
As simple as following International law, we all are supposed to be law abiding countries. Scarborough is thousand nautical miles away, it’s less than 200 nautical miles from the Philippines.
Kishore’s voice must be amplified throughout the world to bring truth to the world.
Kudos to Mr. Kishore for speaking the truth and wonderful well balanced points of view
I very much admire Mr Kishore for his factual narratives, which do not goes well with the West which has the horrible habit of badly distorting the facts
We learned about the original R.O.C 11 Dash Line as a school student in Taiwan (Rep of China). It was drawn in 1947 after China recovered all the islands after World War II . The 11 Dash Line linked all the islands together to clearly mark China territorial waters which was at the time recognized by the American and international community.
The American recognition of the 11 Dash Line lasted until San Francisco Conference in 1951 when the American specifically excluding China from the conference as the Communist Party in China-controlled most of mainland China at the time and proclaimed the establishment of the People's Republic of China in 1949. At the San Francisco Conference, the American made unilateral arrangement in an attempt to deny Chinese ownership of their islands that was previously international recognized belonging to China and put all these islands into a dispute. However, at the time no one including the current neighboring claimants bothered to dispute China's claim to these islands and reefs, but China also did not have the ability to consistently enforce its sovereignty to these islands due to lack of military power and internal weakness caused by WW2 and the Civil War. Neighboring states only started to violate China's claim, occupying certain islands and reefs when it was speculated that the South China Sea might contain oil and gas.
Yes, including the Senkaku Islands but until now Japan still refuse to return all those island to China, with USA supporting them. Now that China has regain its strength and power, Japan & USA should not continue to deny China's rights and territory.
UNCLOS supersedes all that. We all know China is a signatory.
Excellent sharing, thank you for the validation
US, UK & France hiding the truth & locked documents in Archives to deprive China‘S claim.
Thank you for sharing. Can you please elaborate on what it means for China to "recover" the islands in 1947? How and in what sense? Did ROC had actual control? Also why didn't the US support ROC's claims on the islands in 1951 since it recognised ROC as the government of China?
Other than the Philippines, ASEAN will never be used as proxy to war between China-US.
Only Kishore is worth listening to in this dialogue
Only one dare to confront the Anglo-Saxon on the matter of the South China Sea.... Philippines lap dog to US
Wisdom transcends all cultures! Viva ASEAN !
Superb conversation. Thank you one and all to those who made this possible. Best wishes.
Philippines territorial dispute with Malaysia is far greater. It claims the whole of Sabah state and Malaysia supports Mindanao separatism. The fact that Vietnam controls more islands in South China Sea.
It’s just clear that you have no clue what happen to Sabah. The reason why it was awarded to Malaysia. It’s still international law based decision. It’s really true water that runs in a shallow river is noisy. Putak ng putak yong may konti lang ang alam.
The trade figures doesn’t include the tourism industry business. Chinese tourist are known to be the heavy spenders and their numbers are way bigger than the US. If you include those numbers then it clear how deep the linkages are between China and ASEAN
150 Millions Chinese tourism into ASEAN make an differ... Ask Thailand.
prof kisore is a man with perspective. He is practical and he often speaks up. The world needs man like him.
Although Being Chinese , I also don't like the idea of the 9 dash line. I believe China could compromise on this at the negotiations table.
They did, that is why there is the 9-Dash line.
Remember, when China was an independent country, most South East Asian countries were NOT.
It was 11 dash lines before, so they did it already.
As Indonesians, we actually understand why China wants the South China Sea. I think China is afraid that if they don't claim it, someday America will build a military base there. But still, that doesn't mean we agree with China's way. The enmity between China and America is not our concern. Do not drag us into your enmity with America.
@@springchannel836you should point your fingers at US, has China ever told any ASEAN member to take sides with its foreign policy
中国在二战后就对南海宣誓主权，当时东南亚还是殖民地，你们的宗主国都没有异议@@springchannel836
Every Chinese student was taught that China's southern most border was at 曾母暗沙 (Zeng-Mu-An-S ha, James Shoals).
Doesn’t make it true
And the British-Raj doesn't make you Anglo-Saxon
Yes, it was in the student text book in Taiwan (Rep of China). We learned about the original R.O.C 11 Dash Line was drawn in 1947 after China recovered all the islands, the 11 Dash Line linked all the islands together to clearly mark China territorial waters which was at the time recognized by the American and international community.
The American recognition of the 11 Dash Line lasted until San Francisco Conference in 1951 when the American specifically excluding China from the conference as the Communist Party in China-controlled most of mainland China at the time and proclaimed the establishment of the People's Republic of China in 1949. At the San Francisco Conference, the American made unilateral arrangement in an attempt to deny Chinese ownership of their islands that was previously international recognised belonging to China and put all these islands into a dispute. However, at the time no one including the current neighbouring claimants bothered to dispute China's claim to these islands and reefs, but China also did not have the ability to consistently enforce its sovereignty to these islands due to lack of military power and internal weakness caused by WW2 and the Civil War. Neighbouring states only started to violate China's claim, occupying certain islands and reefs when it was speculated that the South China Sea might contain oil and gas.
@@Albert_Einstein_not . The territorial claim of Marcos Jr has no basis at all. UNCLOS does not apply to territorial sovereignty matters. Who brought the matter of dispute between Philippines and China? Not China and not Philippines, but the Americans. Why did the Americans brought the matter to the PCA and not the ICJ (International Court of Justice)? By the way, when Malaysia and Singapore had a dispute over territorial sovereignty of the Pedra Branca, which lasted from 1979 to 2008, the two nations were sincerely trying to genuinely solve the territorial sovereignty issue, and hence chose to bring it to the ICJ, which has jurisdiction over such matters. The American Law firm which initiated the case to be heard by the PCA (which is not a UN body) on behalf of Philippines was likely aware that the PCA is just an arbitration court, which has no jurisdiction over the legal hearing of territorial disputes. Ask yourself why? Is the purpose for public relation publicity and optics to shame China , and not sincere effort to resolve the territorial sovereignty rights?
"Ill-gotten gains", even in public optics, by duplicitous means do not endure. The two countries - China and Philippines will always be geographically nearby each other forever (until the end of the World) to come, long after either USA, or China, is still consequential nation..
During Mao's time, the West isolated China. Not the other way.
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Yes. Kishore is the Greatest! South East Asia belongs to China. They were all Chinese tributaries in ancient past..
The issue is whether historic claims like the 9 dash line are excluded under UNCLOS. It will be interesting to hear Kishore’s views as he is familiar with how UNCLOS was established and what was discussed
War doesn't stop Trade, Russia is a Prime Example of this!!!
Mahubhani forget to mention about the Cairo Accord and the Potsdam Declaration.,
ASEAN should kick out the Philippines.
How does the esteemed Ambassador reckon with Ming China during the height of its multiple diplomatic marine ventures under Admiral Zheng He?
"9 dash line" has it's history, for China PRC, it is free on transit for all in peace... It is only a name only "South China Sea".
Any link for the original source?
sorry no. can try search in yt using his name.
@@patrickgz Thank you, will keep digging for this. Appreciate your video.
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Henry Kissinger Quote: “To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.”
The US has a 99 dash line all over the Pacific Ocean.
As simple as following International law, we all are supposed to be law abiding countries. Scarborough is thousand nautical miles away, it’s less than 200 nautical miles from the Philippines.
Scarborough belongs to china and Taiwan within their 11dash SCS.
The area has belonged to China for centuries, long before the Philippines became a country.
@@agusedyanto3324 seriously sabi ni Digong? that’s been Philippines since the time of Spanish colonization that’s year 1700 while China didn’t even exist China used to be a part of Mongolia do your research wag putak ng putak dahil sa na narinig mo sa kung sino Mann ang sinasamba mo gamitin ang utak, wag bobo.
Sovereign water is 22km from coastline. Exclusive economic zone is 370km from coastline. Stop your stupid perspective of 11 dot lines. If talk about old grand mother story china belong to Mongolia or taiwan period. You better go back india and keep talking rubblish and see what happened.
You scare of history truth ! 🤣🤣🤣
This bastard is mad
agree
CCP stooge.
A bastard commenting here.
It's very convenient for this speaker to say these things because his country dont have a part of their population affected by this Chinese militarization, China can make acres and acres of Bases within its EEZ,
If you don’t start it, the China will not retaliate.
Stop stealing their land so they won’t bother you
Cause and effect.
You started stealing from the dragon so now suffer the consequences
@@herryso6238 Who is the dragon? The ornaments on houses and rooms? Yeah consequences happens, japan had seen it during WW2 and your Fictional dragon is following the playbook Tripartite AXIS with Russia and Nokor it will end up the same with China signing the peace pact on board a Chinese militia ship.
do you even know who this speaker is??
But you support 'Americans' stealing lands from the natives? Why didn't you ever protest against stealing of lands from the natives of the Americas, Australia and New Zealand?
If only the deaf Western leaders would actually listen instead of just hearing what Mr Mahbubani keeps saying on all his travels overseas to the West, perhaps they might start to reconsider their actions.
Good afternoon ❤️ASEAN+🇨🇳🦾😇
As simple as following International law, we all are supposed to be law abiding countries. Scarborough is thousand nautical miles away, it’s less than 200 nautical miles from the Philippines.
Scarborough is nearer to China's spratlies and Paracels groups of islands than Philippines.
Face the history truth. Return the southern land back to Malaysia !