I am about to get a pc with an 7800x3D..I have decided go with the xtx card, Nvidia does definitely have an advantage on Ray Tracing and other things but that connector melting issue that has been prominent in the 4,000 series cards…or I would go with a 4080 ti super or a 4090
@@rz5090 The 12VHPWR connector melting was only an issue in the 4090, and only when the GPU was not plugged in properly. The 4070 Ti Super and the 4080 Super don't draw enough power to ever experience this issue.
@@verde5738 I will be alright, none of the games I play should challenge the xtx much as I mostly play sim racing games..I just wanted to get something that will be good enough for several years. I really wanted the 4090 but you know..👍
My good friend, I currently have a PS4 Pro from when I was 18, now I m 25, I recently have bought a prebuilt PC that has 16 gb ram (1 stick, so I could put 1 more, I think is Corsair Vengeance), i3 12100f, rx6600 challenger, very basic mobo h610m gigabyte, 512gb SSD, I did buy a 70 dollar 1TB external SSD (it is a Verbatim Sure Fire Gaming Bunker SSD, but it is slower than a freaking HDD btw let's be frank) as case and PSU (the psu came WITH the case) is a MSI Forge Mag, I was wandering what should I do, buy a PS5 Pro, PS5, or upgrade my pc with a rtx 4070 Super for the Pathtracing and super modding of games, but in this case I have the most minimal combo, barebone, keep in mind, i3 12100f and a Cheap mobo and weird MSI free PSU... I m not sold 100% if it's a sure and safe purchase and I would not let myself burn, metaphorically and physically... I m nowadays binging stuff about PS5 Pro vs PC and I came to realize, to overcome the crowd control her mentality perception of PS5 Pro of being expensive when actually is 800 euro but people are not being able to compare it to an equivalent new pc, they compare the FREAKING CONSOLE with a GPU, which is brainrotten to the very core, no intelligent creature would ever think of that, typical fanbois like in everywhere... RX 7800XT is 520 dollars, RTX 4070 is 630 dollars, but it has DLSS, path tracing, and I heard VRAM is politics much cause Nvidia consumes less vram than AMD, I m not expressing scientifically correct, I m aware, What should I do?
@WowSuchFrames I believe you will actually have too buy a matched pair..I could be wrong but I think there could be problems if you just randomly buy 1 stick and put it in with your other. They usually sell a pack of two matched sticks..you will also have to make sure you put it in the right slot..
The 7900XT trades blows in rasterization with the 4070 Ti Super. As of Oct 3, 2024, the 7900XT is available for $660, but the 4070 Ti Super will set you back at least $750. The $90 you save could buy you a 2TB NMVe drive instead of a 1TB drive. Or it could buy a very nice mechanical keyboard. Or it can allow you to upgrade your monitor. Or take your significant other out for a pretty nice evening. On the other hand, the 4070Ti Super is better at 3D effects in Adobe Premier and at ray tracing. Each person thinking about these two cards should weigh the pros and cons according to his or her use case. To buy either one just because of the color of the box would be silly.
Great points. Although, another way to look at it is you can always add more storage or upgrade your keyboard in the future. You can’t “add” to your GPU. (But you could sell, lose a little money, and buy a higher end gpu)
The 4070 Ti Super offers superior Ray Tracing, a playable Path Tracing experience, CUDA, better VR/Streaming support and a more widespread feature set. And that's on top of being more Power Efficient, which will make up for the difference in the initial price after a couple of years. The 4070 Ti Super has a higher cost of entry, but a lower maintenance cost. You're definitely getting your money's worth out of that 90$ premium.
They're both good GPUs, but the 4070 Ti Super is objectively the better product as it comes with better Power Efficiency and a complete feature set of higher quality. The 7900 XT's appeal lies in its pricing, but from a feature set standpoint, it's not as good as the 4070 Ti Super.
It took me almost a month, reading and watching tons of reviews, comments from youtube, reddit and benchmarks everywhere. I use mainly gaming without DLSS, FG, RT, just pure performance on 2k ultrawide screen. With the 7900XT price being ~$200 cheaper than 4070Ti Super (comparing Sapphire 7900XT to Asus ROG STRIX 4070Ti Super or other high-end edition), I see absolutely no reason to go with nvidia at this price point. Went with a Sapphire 7900XT and it's quite overkill for 2k actually, could not be happier with my purchase. Very stable software.
More perfomance is always better, overkill means nothing when it comes to GPUs, coz over the years it will get slow when game will become more demanding. Every year fps takes a hit!
The 7900XT has better rasterization performance than shown in the video, with the 4070 Ti Super being 3-6% slower. TechPowerUp's chart at 1:47 shows a 1% difference, but their website lists it as 3% slower. Reviews often show a lower average for the 7900XT due to high-FPS games like CS2. If you’re focused on heavy RT performance, consider spending $100 more for the 4070 Ti Super, the only choice for RT among 70-tier cards. However, if path tracing isn’t a priority, than the 7900XT is a better option even with some RT on. I have a 7900XTX after coming from Nvidia. I use this card also with RT on and i have High FPS, would have more if i had gone with the 4080 but i didnt want to spend 200$ more for more RT.
Weirdly, for me both are priced very similar now. And I think without the benefit of price, 7900xt doesn't have much going for it. 1-5% performance doesn't matter as much as rt and dlss.
I’d suggest to just get a 4080 since the 4070 ti is so close in price with a lot less performance. 7900 xt is a beast for that price though. Great performance.
I have an rtx 4070ti super,it's amazing for ray tracing with dlss on 1440p. It's a very cool gpu if you want better temperatures and with 16 gb vram I think will still be enough for most cases.
I think if you are spending under $600 getting an AMD GPU, is best value for price to performance for a GPU. Nvidia GPU do feature better raytracing but to be honest you going to need to get a 4070 with 16GB of vram to use raytracing and then you need to upscale to get back the FPS or spend a lot more money and get a 4080
My current build is a 9900k on a Asus Z390A with 32GB of DDR4 RAM. I want to upgrade my videocard (from a 2060) so I can play new games like horizon zero dawn/forbidden west and similar titles @2k. Currently using a 2k, 144hz, 5ms response time monitor. Im looking at a Hellhound 7900 XT for $719 @ MicroCenter. The 4070TI Super is another $120 on top of that price. Will I bottleneck or have issues with either card? Are there better prices coming for these cards on black friday? Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Last thing to note is I can get a free copy of SpaceMarine 2 with the 7900XT, which i was looking into anyway, which saves me another $60. It almost seems like a no brainer here, however DLSS/upscaling with Nvidia seems tempting.
Nvidia is usually €100 dearer in my country but sometimes you can get it at the same price on special offers. Needless to say I waited for one of those and went green all the way...
@@oSqroll Apart from video editing, AMD do better for some reason, not even vram related, 7900xtx is faster than 4090 even, they're surprisingly good for streaming as well as they don't take as much of a hit from multi encoding, kinda funny that the most common things people might use them for get over looked and CUDA gets thrown up every time, also as a user of both, DLSS looks like somebody took vasaline to your screen and the fsr shimmer that people complain about is on small distant details, I don't understand how people work sometimes
I put my money to slower fps but still woking and free from cable melting or even exploding chances. Speed is not everything if without control 😂. Slow? At least i still have a working GPU. 😂😂😂😂😂
This is probably an idiotic question so feel free not to answer, but will a 7900 xtx with ryzen 5 7600 be more powerful than a Ps5 Pro, I'm brand new to pc gaming and am just curious to find out.
4070ti super just isn't worth $800... Play Cybercuck2077 at 4K or at 1440p. Assuming you also have at least 7800x3D so you are getting the max out your gpu. And that you have some ok 4K or 1440p monitor that is at least 120Hz refresh rate. Or even 4K 60Hz. You are already at the crossroads of making compromises with settings. You want the best looking graphical fidelity and raytracing? But also you want 4K 60fps or 1440p 90fps? So you have to reduce some quality settings, you have to use upscaling so the game is rendering at 1440p but the 4K resolution screen is filled with upscaled image by approximating how frames would look like if the game rendered it natively at 4K. Then you still are unstable 45 fps so you are looking at reducing some other settings to get to fill out them pixels that 4K 60fps target. Its counter logic. And then you maybe play Anal woke 2 and that other Senua's tech demo and you are all out of nvidia sponsored RTX™ games. Then you are back into 99.9% of games that maybe have some light raytracing like RE4 remake or Avatar and the games where its irrelevant.
@@verde5738 But it can't do it at 4K. To fill out a 4K resolution screen you must render the game at lower resolution and use upscaling and reduce other graphics settings to get a stable 60fps, and that defeats the purpose of even using rt.
@@lanelesic Even the 4090 struggles with Path Tracing at 4k, so that's an absurd metric to have. There's hardly any difference between DLSS Quality and Native, so you're not losing any meaningful visual clarity by using Upscaling. DLSS is pretty much free FPS and only a fool would not use it. And Path Tracing does make a HUGE visual difference that will be VERY noticeable. The way you try to dismiss this technology tells me that you haven't actually experienced it yourself.
@@verde5738 The metric is perfectly fine at any resolution and with any game, because your settings are doing a tug-of-war. you say you want the best graphi8cs possible, but you are sacrificing many graphical quality settings to be getting that screen filled at fluid framerate. No upscaled image is never better than native, no matter how much you shills try to push that blatant lie. TAA vaseline over native is not pure native.
@@lanelesic 4k Path Tracing is a ridiculous metric because no GPU available on the market is capable of delivering that kind of experience without compromises. If you want to do 4k Path Tracing, you will be using both Upscaling and Frame Generation. And we're not even talking about the best GPU available on the market, but an 800$ GPU. So expecting it to do 4k Path Tracing is an absurd and unrealistic metric. No one said that DLSS is better, or even equal, to Native, just that DLSS Quality is almost as good as Native. No one lied, you just can't read. The 4070 Ti Super can deliver fluid 60+ FPS at 1440p in games like Cyberpunk with Path Tracing enabled and no Frame Generation, without having to turn down settings. The 7900 XT can't even come to close to 60 FPS at the same settings WITH Frame Generation. Those are just the cold, hard facts. It is abundantly clear that you have zero experience with these GPUs.
Seeing the small gap between the 7900xt and 4070ti super and the 6950xt really shows just how terrible this GPU generation is. I think the real lesson is, if there is a great sale on Prime Day or black friday then this gen isn't an awful buy. Otherwise, just wait until January.
Which GPU would you buy between the two?
I am about to get a pc with an 7800x3D..I have decided go with the xtx card, Nvidia does definitely have an advantage on Ray Tracing and other things but that connector melting issue that has been prominent in the 4,000 series cards…or I would go with a 4080 ti super or a 4090
@@rz5090 The 12VHPWR connector melting was only an issue in the 4090, and only when the GPU was not plugged in properly. The 4070 Ti Super and the 4080 Super don't draw enough power to ever experience this issue.
@@verde5738 I will be alright, none of the games I play should challenge the xtx much as I mostly play sim racing games..I just wanted to get something that will be good enough for several years. I really wanted the 4090 but you know..👍
My good friend, I currently have a PS4 Pro from when I was 18, now I m 25, I recently have bought a prebuilt PC that has 16 gb ram (1 stick, so I could put 1 more, I think is Corsair Vengeance), i3 12100f, rx6600 challenger, very basic mobo h610m gigabyte, 512gb SSD, I did buy a 70 dollar 1TB external SSD (it is a Verbatim Sure Fire Gaming Bunker SSD, but it is slower than a freaking HDD btw let's be frank) as case and PSU (the psu came WITH the case) is a MSI Forge Mag, I was wandering what should I do, buy a PS5 Pro, PS5, or upgrade my pc with a rtx 4070 Super for the Pathtracing and super modding of games, but in this case I have the most minimal combo, barebone, keep in mind, i3 12100f and a Cheap mobo and weird MSI free PSU... I m not sold 100% if it's a sure and safe purchase and I would not let myself burn, metaphorically and physically... I m nowadays binging stuff about PS5 Pro vs PC and I came to realize, to overcome the crowd control her mentality perception of PS5 Pro of being expensive when actually is 800 euro but people are not being able to compare it to an equivalent new pc, they compare the FREAKING CONSOLE with a GPU, which is brainrotten to the very core, no intelligent creature would ever think of that, typical fanbois like in everywhere... RX 7800XT is 520 dollars, RTX 4070 is 630 dollars, but it has DLSS, path tracing, and I heard VRAM is politics much cause Nvidia consumes less vram than AMD, I m not expressing scientifically correct, I m aware, What should I do?
@WowSuchFrames I believe you will actually have too buy a matched pair..I could be wrong but I think there could be problems if you just randomly buy 1 stick and put it in with your other. They usually sell a pack of two matched sticks..you will also have to make sure you put it in the right slot..
The 7900XT trades blows in rasterization with the 4070 Ti Super. As of Oct 3, 2024, the 7900XT is available for $660, but the 4070 Ti Super will set you back at least $750. The $90 you save could buy you a 2TB NMVe drive instead of a 1TB drive. Or it could buy a very nice mechanical keyboard. Or it can allow you to upgrade your monitor. Or take your significant other out for a pretty nice evening. On the other hand, the 4070Ti Super is better at 3D effects in Adobe Premier and at ray tracing. Each person thinking about these two cards should weigh the pros and cons according to his or her use case. To buy either one just because of the color of the box would be silly.
100% agree with you, never buy because of the brand, buy because of your budget and needs
Great points. Although, another way to look at it is you can always add more storage or upgrade your keyboard in the future. You can’t “add” to your GPU. (But you could sell, lose a little money, and buy a higher end gpu)
@@UnlockedNature true
The 4070 Ti Super offers superior Ray Tracing, a playable Path Tracing experience, CUDA, better VR/Streaming support and a more widespread feature set. And that's on top of being more Power Efficient, which will make up for the difference in the initial price after a couple of years.
The 4070 Ti Super has a higher cost of entry, but a lower maintenance cost. You're definitely getting your money's worth out of that 90$ premium.
@@verde5738 It's a good card, the lowest one in the current Nvidia stack I would even consider owning. But then , that pesky power connector...
Grabbed the 7900XT refurbed for $569 at Microcenter
At that price, it was a great price pick for my uses.
I buy one yesterday on Newegg new for $567
They're both good GPUs, but the 4070 Ti Super is objectively the better product as it comes with better Power Efficiency and a complete feature set of higher quality. The 7900 XT's appeal lies in its pricing, but from a feature set standpoint, it's not as good as the 4070 Ti Super.
It took me almost a month, reading and watching tons of reviews, comments from youtube, reddit and benchmarks everywhere. I use mainly gaming without DLSS, FG, RT, just pure performance on 2k ultrawide screen. With the 7900XT price being ~$200 cheaper than 4070Ti Super (comparing Sapphire 7900XT to Asus ROG STRIX 4070Ti Super or other high-end edition), I see absolutely no reason to go with nvidia at this price point. Went with a Sapphire 7900XT and it's quite overkill for 2k actually, could not be happier with my purchase. Very stable software.
More perfomance is always better, overkill means nothing when it comes to GPUs, coz over the years it will get slow when game will become more demanding. Every year fps takes a hit!
The 7900XT has better rasterization performance than shown in the video, with the 4070 Ti Super being 3-6% slower. TechPowerUp's chart at 1:47 shows a 1% difference, but their website lists it as 3% slower. Reviews often show a lower average for the 7900XT due to high-FPS games like CS2. If you’re focused on heavy RT performance, consider spending $100 more for the 4070 Ti Super, the only choice for RT among 70-tier cards. However, if path tracing isn’t a priority, than the 7900XT is a better option even with some RT on. I have a 7900XTX after coming from Nvidia. I use this card also with RT on and i have High FPS, would have more if i had gone with the 4080 but i didnt want to spend 200$ more for more RT.
Weirdly, for me both are priced very similar now. And I think without the benefit of price, 7900xt doesn't have much going for it. 1-5% performance doesn't matter as much as rt and dlss.
@@ADthehawk Yea thats ok
Frame generation has lower latency with AMD compared to Nvidia but the upscalar is worse. The 7900 xtx will blow nvidia too in the rasterization dept
really apprciate the comparison and deep dive. Love the case by case difference without much bias
I’d suggest to just get a 4080 since the 4070 ti is so close in price with a lot less performance. 7900 xt is a beast for that price though. Great performance.
I have an rtx 4070ti super,it's amazing for ray tracing with dlss on 1440p. It's a very cool gpu if you want better temperatures and with 16 gb vram I think will still be enough for most cases.
I really like the 4070 ti super as well bro!
I think if you are spending under $600 getting an AMD GPU, is best value for price to performance for a GPU. Nvidia GPU do feature better raytracing but to be honest you going to need to get a 4070 with 16GB of vram to use raytracing and then you need to upscale to get back the FPS or spend a lot more money and get a 4080
My current build is a 9900k on a Asus Z390A with 32GB of DDR4 RAM. I want to upgrade my videocard (from a 2060) so I can play new games like horizon zero dawn/forbidden west and similar titles @2k. Currently using a 2k, 144hz, 5ms response time monitor. Im looking at a Hellhound 7900 XT for $719 @ MicroCenter. The 4070TI Super is another $120 on top of that price. Will I bottleneck or have issues with either card? Are there better prices coming for these cards on black friday? Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
Last thing to note is I can get a free copy of SpaceMarine 2 with the 7900XT, which i was looking into anyway, which saves me another $60. It almost seems like a no brainer here, however DLSS/upscaling with Nvidia seems tempting.
I like both GPUs
Nvidia is usually €100 dearer in my country but sometimes you can get it at the same price on special offers. Needless to say I waited for one of those and went green all the way...
The 7900xt smokes the 4070ti super. And it's cheaper.
If your just gaming then yes, but for everything else the 4070 ti super is far better.
@@oSqroll lol
@@oSqroll Apart from video editing, AMD do better for some reason, not even vram related, 7900xtx is faster than 4090 even, they're surprisingly good for streaming as well as they don't take as much of a hit from multi encoding, kinda funny that the most common things people might use them for get over looked and CUDA gets thrown up every time, also as a user of both, DLSS looks like somebody took vasaline to your screen and the fsr shimmer that people complain about is on small distant details, I don't understand how people work sometimes
@@oSqroll
Gaming is why most people would buy a gpu.
If by "smoke" you mean being the objectively worse product, then yes, it "smokes" it.
The 4070 Ti S is 200$ more than 7900 XT in my country 😂
Bought the 7900xt asrock phantom. Great performance, but died within 3 days. Ordered a 4070 ti super and saw no difference in 3440x1440 gaming.
comparing quality to balanced and saying the quality looks better, ya think?
Does anyone know what the difference RTX 4070 super oc edition VS 4070 oc edition. Which one is better thx guys
Easy, the RTX 4070 TI Super is well worth the extra $100
4070 ti super for sure
200 more for slightly better lightning ( RT) and -60% performance? Sure
Not.
@@mrtendollarman6157 it’s not 200 more
@@mrtendollarman6157 and it’s not 60% worse for gaming
@@ShadowGamingPC1 I see where re coming from. Thanks for the info.
haven't finished the video yet, but so far the 7900XT sounds better.
Honestly, if I'm spending over $600 on a gpu, I would rather go nividia 4070ti super
@@JahonCross both are valid
This is a GREAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! video
thank you!!!
I put my money to slower fps but still woking and free from cable melting or even exploding chances. Speed is not everything if without control 😂. Slow? At least i still have a working GPU. 😂😂😂😂😂
This is probably an idiotic question so feel free not to answer, but will a 7900 xtx with ryzen 5 7600 be more powerful than a Ps5 Pro, I'm brand new to pc gaming and am just curious to find out.
Absolutely
that's not idiotic bro, all questions are valid. And yes, it will be much more powerful than the ps5 pro
@@ShadowGamingPC1 Cool to know bro, thanks for the reply, love the channel.
just wait for next gen gpu. dont buy now
Next gen gpu finna be 2500$ i ain’t spending that much
I disagree, it will be a long time before we get new ones, especially now that black Friday is close
the 5080 will be a 70 for $1200 😂
4070ti super just isn't worth $800...
Play Cybercuck2077 at 4K or at 1440p. Assuming you also have at least 7800x3D so you are getting the max out your gpu. And that you have some ok 4K or 1440p monitor that is at least 120Hz refresh rate. Or even 4K 60Hz. You are already at the crossroads of making compromises with settings. You want the best looking graphical fidelity and raytracing? But also you want 4K 60fps or 1440p 90fps?
So you have to reduce some quality settings, you have to use upscaling so the game is rendering at 1440p but the 4K resolution screen is filled with upscaled image by approximating how frames would look like if the game rendered it natively at 4K.
Then you still are unstable 45 fps so you are looking at reducing some other settings to get to fill out them pixels that 4K 60fps target. Its counter logic. And then you maybe play Anal woke 2 and that other Senua's tech demo and you are all out of nvidia sponsored RTX™ games.
Then you are back into 99.9% of games that maybe have some light raytracing like RE4 remake or Avatar and the games where its irrelevant.
The 4070 Ti Super can run Cyberpunk at 1440p with full Path Tracing at 60+ FPS on Ultra settings. Without Frame Generation.
@@verde5738 But it can't do it at 4K. To fill out a 4K resolution screen you must render the game at lower resolution and use upscaling and reduce other graphics settings to get a stable 60fps, and that defeats the purpose of even using rt.
@@lanelesic Even the 4090 struggles with Path Tracing at 4k, so that's an absurd metric to have.
There's hardly any difference between DLSS Quality and Native, so you're not losing any meaningful visual clarity by using Upscaling. DLSS is pretty much free FPS and only a fool would not use it.
And Path Tracing does make a HUGE visual difference that will be VERY noticeable. The way you try to dismiss this technology tells me that you haven't actually experienced it yourself.
@@verde5738 The metric is perfectly fine at any resolution and with any game, because your settings are doing a tug-of-war. you say you want the best graphi8cs possible, but you are sacrificing many graphical quality settings to be getting that screen filled at fluid framerate.
No upscaled image is never better than native, no matter how much you shills try to push that blatant lie. TAA vaseline over native is not pure native.
@@lanelesic 4k Path Tracing is a ridiculous metric because no GPU available on the market is capable of delivering that kind of experience without compromises. If you want to do 4k Path Tracing, you will be using both Upscaling and Frame Generation.
And we're not even talking about the best GPU available on the market, but an 800$ GPU. So expecting it to do 4k Path Tracing is an absurd and unrealistic metric.
No one said that DLSS is better, or even equal, to Native, just that DLSS Quality is almost as good as Native. No one lied, you just can't read.
The 4070 Ti Super can deliver fluid 60+ FPS at 1440p in games like Cyberpunk with Path Tracing enabled and no Frame Generation, without having to turn down settings.
The 7900 XT can't even come to close to 60 FPS at the same settings WITH Frame Generation.
Those are just the cold, hard facts. It is abundantly clear that you have zero experience with these GPUs.
Seeing the small gap between the 7900xt and 4070ti super and the 6950xt really shows just how terrible this GPU generation is. I think the real lesson is, if there is a great sale on Prime Day or black friday then this gen isn't an awful buy. Otherwise, just wait until January.
Get a 3090 for $500-600