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I think a 7600 or 7700 is appropriate given the price of the 7800X3D with the 9800X3D sitting around the corner waiting to release. Am still good with my rig, been helping my friend price storage lately.
Upgraded to aorus b650e elite ax ice, 7800x3d, Corsair 6000mhz cl30, 1050w PSU. Now I'm just trying to stop my self upgrading my GPU till next year. Rx 6800 is fine till Nvidia 5000 or 7900xtx drops like a rock. £700ish budget
I really admire Jason's build recommendations because he keeps a laser focus on bang for buck performance but still brings home the aesthetics that people are looking for.
I think no matter the build, always expect at least one component to be on sale a week after you've built the damn thing. Love your helpful format and I gotta say thanks for making the channel approachable to newcomers. Long live the Master Race!
Heartened to see the Vetroo cooler being used. I bought a 5 pipe Vetroo CPU cooler a few years ago and am very happy, good cooling and a very quiet fan and RGB.
"It's about getting you what you want, when you want it" Exactly sir! So many people let waiting for great deals stop them from getting good deals, and others wait so long they miss stock entirely.
Happened to a colleague of mine. He could have bought a RX 7900 GRE for €520,- Inc. tax. The model was even excellent tested on our nations biggest hardware website (edit = Inc. tax)
Yeah, money is always tight these days, but i would kick myself way harder waiting for rock bottom prices just to wind up missing out entirely, or having to wait months longer for that pricing again. I understand that saving 20 bucks here. And 10 bucks there adds up, heck i still do budget am4 builds for people just getting into the hobby, so yes i deal hunt for that tier of hardware, but having the parts for 10 or 20 bucks more than someone who spends all day refreshing newegg and jawa to get the best possible price is worth it to garauntee you get the parts you need to complete the machine and put it into service, rather than have several hundred or over 1000 dollars of hardware just sitting incomplete while you try to save an extra 2% on total build cost on your last few parts is a level of patience i dont really have.
I live about 1:30 away from Micro Center (San Diego) and might have to make the pilgrimage. Not for this deal but just to bless myself at the holy shrine
These were some great builds you put together for these people. I'm considering building a PC for my son. He just started high school, and of course, he games.
I considered waiting for the latest AMD CPU's but boy am i glad i decided to go with the 7800X3D just before the new CPU's came out. Saved me money compared to prices now and the new CPU's turned out to be not worth it anyway.
Exactly this! I understand the urge to wait as nobody wants to build something and then have it no longer be the best a month or two later. But Tech moves fast these days and I urge folks to get what is best for them when they want it.
I haven't made the switch to AM5 CPU's, I still run my desktop with windows 10 and will be doing so for as long as I can. Honestly the Ryzen 5700x3d as a drop in upgrade for anyone still on AM4 is excellent. The biggest downside of AM4 for gaming in 4k is that you're going to want a solid B550 or X570 motherboard that makes use of faster storage, ram, and pice bus bandwidth. Personally I'm still happy with my Windows 10 desktop, I prefer using it over my Windows 11 laptop.
@@PCBuilderChannel I'm extremely confused why you're suggesting your viewers should buy a 7800x3d in the first place?! What's the use case? This CPU is extreme overkill for 95% of gamers.
I got that Seasonic Focus GX Gold 1000W for $131 off of Newegg. Now I can OC my 6950xt if I want to without tripping. But i found out the main problem with my build was my memory. It was faulty, so I sent it in for replacement and got your recommended Silicon Power sticks!
GPU: look at that chart at 8:22, get the RX6950XT for $279 like I did. A few less fps for $500 savings. It is just insane that people would rather spend $500 more for that 5-10 extra fps.
Wow, I'm thrilled that this got on an episode. This build was for my wife's first PC. (Already been built). We ended up squeezing the budget a little for a pink 4070 GPU. Funny that you put the Vetroo v240 AIO on there because I originally was going to use that, but everyone & their brother kept telling me that an AIO was unnecessary. Ended up going with Team Group for the RAM & found the Adata m.2 SSD on my own. We plan to add more storage down the road. The SSD in the case is meant to be the OS drive. Overall, I think I did pretty well for my first build. 25:35 I'm now working on a build for myself that will be a power-house 4k gaming rig.
@PCBuilderChannel Thanks. Seeing your recommendations was validating on whether I made good choices in the end. I feel like I did pretty well. The case was the money pit, but my wife really wanted that specific case for the pink theme. The only part I didn't end up liking was cable management between the fans & the controller. The fans only had daisy chains for the 3-pin connection but not the 4-pin. Getting them all to reach in that case was...frustrating.
If you wanna go another level up on aesthetics (and way up on price), you could get a NZXT Kraken Elite 240 or Z53 in white. They are AIOs with an LCD display so you can show a cute animated character as the centerpiece of your build. There is a cheaper kraken non-elite, but it has a much smaller display inside a black circle which is not as appealing.
If your building and looking at getting 4070 GPU watch out we see them been made with slower GDDR6 memory this drops raw memory bandwidth by 5%, so not going to be as good the only reason got one if they cost less than the GDDR6X models so chech memory and make sure your GPU use GDDR6X
Yes the 4070 GDDR6 ones are bad. Nvidia doing its usual shady hijinks. I haven't seen that they are doing that with the 4070 Super models or higher, however.
@@PCBuilderChannel The sad thing is we back to reading the fine print on GPU boxes and can see someone going oh I save tiny bit money and end up with a worst GPU
SFF component prices will always be my Achilles heel. Their prices never seem to drop significantly, even during Black Friday sales. Oh the bane of my love for small and powerful machines...
Hey man i just wanted to say that i stumbled on your videos when starting my PC research in regards to my upcoming build and you are now my go to information source regarding everything PC. I love the knowledge and enthusiasm and your speaking voice sounds like you could be hired for commercials. Ill keep watching your videos to keep me hyped up for my build as i wait for black friday. You are appreciated!
Unfortunately the 7800X3D is sold out everywhere in the US. I might have to start recommending the 7900X when helping people out with there higher end builds. It's currently $339. Yes it's not as good for Gaming but it's at least available and not a terrible price.
Hey Ty! So they are still supplying it (at least it seems that way!). What happens is that when the weekends come they sell out and restock midweek. Demand seems to be massively outstripping supply right now. Whether AMD is doing that or just demand is crazy is hard to tell.
Just wait if you can. They will be cheaper on Black Friday and several other days coming soon. I bought my pc gear last year at this time. I saved a ton. Essentially I paid less than 1200 for an 1800 dollar pc.
@@thehimself4056 not to mention that 600$ in savings can go to a new SHINY OLED monitor XD.....which imo is the best UPGRADE to modern gaming in this mid 2020s era to any "SETUP" oled>everything.
I can't seem to find an answer to this simple question. MSI Afterburner offers four RAM monitors and I don't know which one to use. All I want is to see is how much VRAM is being used during gameplay. Thank you, Richard
Your updated build is good and I agree with most of your recommendations. You did say you wanted an SSD with DRAM but added the UD90 which is DRAMless. These people seem like first time builders, and usually I'll recommend air coolers (Thermalright PA120 or PS120) instead as they have less failure points but that Aqua Elite V3 is a solid price, can't argue against it. Solid build, solid advice.
5:57 I don't agree, for 99% of use cases DRAM-less is basically as fast as ones without it, I'd rather spend less and get more storage If you're moving large files around often, the increase in write speed might be nice but for everything else, DRAM-less for cheaper is the way to go nowadays with HMB
Love the energy, very creative, and entertaining, don't feel like i wasted time watching this. Thanks. I just now ordered a Ryzen 7 5800x3d as the max/last upgrade for my AM4 socket. the next step up would probably be my 2070 Super --> 4080 Super but i'll wait until holiday sales. Might also need to up my 750 W Gold power supply to 850W? not sure. Glad I found your channel.
Thank you so much! Appreciate the feedback. That's a smart upgrade you got going on there. Check out our "how to upgrade your pc 2024" video I think that might be helpful
Bought my 7800x3d last black friday. Didni't build the PC until after New Years. Jason had good advice. When the price is right and its something you want, don't be afraid to pull the trgger.
Thanks for hanging in there Jason, I could tell how much it hurt for you to boost a build with a more expensive case setup than CPU. But I do think it highlights an opportunity for case manufacturers. Very few cases come in a different color than white or black.
Yes!!! I think I've talked about this in a previous Q&A at some point, but my issue with things I call the "NZXT Virus" or the "Corsair Virus" is people who want max performance but get fixated on one specific part (Lian Li O11 Dynamic comes to mind!) without realizing how much performance they have compromised. But if a particular aesthetic is the goal - for instance an all white or pink build - then let's do it!
Thanks so much for the help! Definitely need to try and buy the CPU (which I sadly can’t do exactly at this moment) and will review everything you’ve mentioned. Still need to be sold on AIO coolers and fish tank cases, the Montech you suggested looks pretty though!
@@PCBuilderChannelthe build is complete and just slightly over budget, many thanks again for your advice! I also took some of your tips from previous videos for some components. 🖥️
In the first build I know you went with the persons direction and that is totally fine. I am curious however if a 7500f/7600x plus a 4080 super would give you better performance? I suspect it would be better at 4k just not sure if that cpu would bottleneck at 1440p. Any ideas?
I would personally recommend going for a 7800X3D with that high a GPU if you can. If you can’t that’s ok, you can always drop in an upgraded CPU in the future
I have that exact pink budget Vetroo tower in my build. Push/pull and it's cooling a 5700X3D.....idles in the high 30s low 40s, max temp under load has been 77 but it sits nicely in the low 70's while I game. And that has been with high ambient summer temperatures in my apartment, which doesn't have AC!! It truly is the little cooler that could🤩💕
Why the prices have gone up? I guess you never noticed they raise the prices in the months leading up to Black friday and then drop them again tricking you into thinking you are getting a discount? If you are building a system, buy the parts around black Friday or just after xmas for the best prices
Great video Jason this is why I became a member almost a year ago. To the guy with the pink case buy a white Montech paint it pink save $90😉 and buy an even better GPU
I'm fine with everything but the case. The montech cases I've built in for customers all feel cheap and like I'm gonna snap the parts, my staff feel the same about them we've had about 20 go through our shop.
yeah but id rather have their team group c30 6000mhz ram that isnt included in the bundle....which the ram they offer is similarly priced but is like c40 or c38 at best. As well as an asus board when i really only want an msi/bios these days considering Hell id even consider an asrock board/bios over asus
I'd go 7600 right now. Strong CPU (its what I have in my personal gaming rig) and you'll be ready for upgrades in the future. Check out our latest video on the channel for more.
i feel sorry for the people who dont have a micro center near them..😔 a bundle from micro center is a blessing especially if you're trying to save some change and get the most for your money. micro center has the 7800x3d for 390.00
I just bought the 7800X3D for $450 lol. I was ready to buy the 9900x so whatevs. Can’t wait! I’m rocking a 11600k so I’m sure this is going to be a huge upgrade!
Not sure when you filmed this Jason build on the “theme build” I would have went for the 6800 which is available right now for less than the 7700xt but besides that stellar build guides as always man 👊👊 **edit I see you addressed this but just in case the person sees this the 6800 is back for the price of less than the 7700xt (it’s $360 on Amazon right now for the xfx speedster) so go for that.
@PCBuilderChannel Only thing I would change on this build to keep the theme but blow the budget is the PowerColor Hellhound Sakura AMD Radeon 7800 XT 16GB GDDR6 Graphics Card
I would be curious about the secondary and tertiary timings of the EXPO profiles of the first build. Because the tCL does not really matter, CL 30 vs 36 is not a big deal. tRCD, tRP, tRAS are the same on both kits. However the Corsair is Samsung, the Teamgroup is Hynix M die.
Awesome videos. I think the next motherboard I get will be one of the X870 models, maybe an ASRock Taichi Lite version. I'll be looking to get one with a supplemental 8 pin power header on the board for running multiple video cards (or a monster 5090). I'm not sure that will be necessary tho. Thumbs up!
Yeah, pretty much have a computer right in front of me that I pieced over the last six months. Glad I jumped on the processor, that is a crazy price hike.
Prices are insane for the 7800X3D In Germany you can still get it at Mindfactory, but the price. 7800X3D 444,- EUR 7900X3D 455,- EUR 9900X 474,- An the best 8 Core for the price is still the 7700 tray for 216,- EUR You can get a 4070 Ti Super for 802,- and a 4080 Super for 999,- So you can have a 7800X3D + 4070 Ti Super for 1,246 EUR or a 7700 + 4080 Super for 1,215 EUR.
Seasonic PSUs are relatively expensive in my region too. Okay, they're mostly A-tier on the PSU cultist list, but I'm sure there are others that are just as good or good enough for less.
my option would be go for (G-SKILL CL30 32GB 6000 Mhz) insted and (ARCTIC FREEZER iii) watercooler then go for like NZXT H6 flow insted of that H5. DONT FORGET ANTI-SAGG also =D
23:09 You don’t have to worry about the air cooler? That is the complete opposite of why you get an air cooler. You get an air cooler so you don’t have worry about a liquid cooler. There is no worry with an air cooler
Reckon it's Worth waiting for 9800x3d? or is this like 6 months away..? also looking that the 870 motherboards are around the corner... Im on all older gen stuff currently apart from a 3080ti that is being bottlenecked. I know you can ALWAYS wait in tech, but feels like a bad time when prices just went up of the 7800x3d?
That totally depends on you. If you’ve got a system you like now and it makes little difference to wait then might as well. If not, make sure you are factoring in the value of your time
When it comes to video cards how much VRAM is best for local AI image generation? Should we go ahead and buy a 4 series RTX or wait for the 5 series? Or is there a better Radeon option? Plus what kind of ports do you need for the newest OLED panels?
In the last pink build since its going to have a black PSU i would sugest getting some pink or white cable extensions if the budget can be streched just a bit. 😃
Yes for sure, I was just out of budget in the build. Probably should have mentioned that but we were rushing to get this video done before Hurricane Francine hit.
I got that combo and it works well. Depends on the games you play. I personally play lots of CPU intensive games and I am really happy I went with the 7800X3D instead of a worse CPU and better GPU.
There is always a bottleneck. If you go from playing Space Marine 2 to Victoria 3, a perfectly balanced system will experience two completely different bottlenecks.
Which Nvidia 4000 or 5000 Series GPU would you recommend upgrading to for the AMD Ryzen 9 5900X CPU w/o a bottleneck? I'm currently using this CPU with the Nvidia RTX 3070 for Ai. I was considering the RTX 5070, but appears premature at this point.
Built about 2 months ago missed the 7800x3d at $350 prime special but got it at $368 if I remember correctly. Best Buy had the 4090 OC Asus for $1999 replaced the 4080S OC I had originally for the build. That’s for sale only used a month.
First build didnt look like it had "Problems" in comparison to slight adjustments needed. *Im also not a fan of the 4070 series cards as a whole lol* Also dont sleep on those insane Air Coolers either! Not every build needs another point of failure.
At this point I have to wonder if the premium on the 7800X3D is worth it over the 7700x, 7900x or even 7900x3d. They're well over $500 in some places and others are completely out of stock. You'll lose a few % in gaming, but save big $$.
How good is the Thermalright Aqua Elite 240 V3 ? I haven't seen any reviews of it, only the 360 model. How does it compare to a similarly priced air cooler like the Thermalright Peerless Assassin which costs about 10$ less.
Considering building a "waiting build" with a 8600g with a 650e motherboard with plans to get a ryzen 9800x3d and next gen mid tier graphics in the next 12 months. I will probably just wait it out with my 10400 system for now.
I'm stuck in limbo right now. I held off on upgrading until after my vacation, expecting Zen 5 to offer more than it did. Not that I was planning to buy it at AMD's usual inflated launch prices, but I hoped Zen 4 would drop in price. Now, look what happened-the 7800X3D has spiked, and a new X3D chip is on the way. So, I'm left with two options: either bite the bullet and pay a €70 premium (which keeps rising), or wait for the 9800X3D announcement, hoping prices settle down. Maybe Arrow Lake will shake things up, and I might even have to switch to Team Blue-which I really don’t want to do, considering the current state of things. It's just a frustrating situation all around.
i got a 9950x because my 13900k died and my RMA is literally on week 9 and like I have work to do so.... plus Intel were such pricks the entire process. Gluck getting a dead cpu brooo
If you can wait a few months look into it around the black friday or Christmas sales. They are hiking up the price right now so they can offer better 'discounts' around black friday and Christmas.
Personally I would always put money into a good psu especially a 1000+w, with the 5090 around the corner rumored to be 600w you'll be kicking yourself if you have to upgrade your psu as well. I upgraded my psu to 1000w to run 2x 3090 but kicking myself now I didn't go for 1,200+w. I use the gpus mostly for inference learning and llms.
If he would have gone to Micro center he could have gotten the original PC around 1,800. The 7800x3d in micro center is 389 Plus the corsair is 109, the CL30 6,400 AIO - artic liquid freeze is 99 So he could have done it with OG build and maybe add a 4080
Building a new PC. I mainly do graphic design and video editing and on the side I play rocket league and cod. I have selected the 7900x and the 4060. Would you recommend a better combo? I mainly focus on the productivity performance!
Definitely not that GPU! Especially not for your build goals and especially not paired with that CPU. See our Best CPU/GPU Combo 2024 video to learn about bottleneck. And if you focus is graphic and editing see our 9950X build guide which also is a good list for a 7900X
I just wanted to ask about the case isn't it.... horrible? Buttons and ports are located at the freakin bottom which makes it not accesable and you have to dive under your desk every time you boot you pc or train your feet to do it Fans on the side are just bad ? Most PC's stand against a desk side wall or a room wall which blocks air flow if the vents are on a side w h y ?
I got a DeepCool AK400 Zero Dark Plus CPU Air Cooler to go with my 7800X3D, partly as I didn't like the thought of heavier coolers flexing my mobo! But, now I'm wondering: do I need a bigger one? 😬
@@PCBuilderChannel Thanks so much for that, Jason. Having got the mobo in the case it doesn't look so monstrously huge after all. Yep, I'm sure you're right! In any case, I'll be keeping an eye open with the CPUID HWMonitor! 👍
I got lucky one day. Walked into Micro Center looking 👀 just for rgb fans, and saw a 7800X3D going for $279 bucks. I snatched that bad boy up right away!!😊😊
That’s the base speed, all kits are designed to be automatically overclocked with one click XMP or Expo. Hop over to our Best Ram for Gaming 2024 video we go over this in depth there. Its a common confusion
Desperate to build or buy new system . My current setup is an am3+ system i built about 8 years ago has done me well but im stuck in yesterdays codecs. It can run games decent enough from an amd 8 core fx8350 and an rx480 rog strix gaming but no W11 upgrade , chokes on h265 etc etc .
I paid 377 for my x3d in March. I’ve only had the pc put together for about 3 months. I wasn’t even thinking about building a pc when that chip was 320
I have currently a 7800xt paired with an AMD 7600, 32GB Ram Corsair, 2TB m2 SSD with an Asrock B650M Pro RS, 750W gold, packed in a Bitfenix Nova Mesh SE M-ATX. Basically I built this based on your video, Jason. A friend of mine wants to buy it from me and I am now looking at building a surperior rig. What do you suggest? Thanks Jason!
That's a good combo! Overkill for 1080p though, I'd recommend going 1440p. Or you could save money with a 1080p focused build. See our Best Builds September for more options
@@PCBuilderChannel I hear, but I was thinking of future proofing my pc a bit what gpu cpu combos woudk you reccomend for the ultimate 1080 gaming and high fps Edit - would my orginal combo run 1440p 240 fps
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Would you do any of these builds differently? Are you planning to build or upgrade, or have you recently? Tell your story in a new comment below!
Built a decent budget pc last month with an i5 12400f and an rtx 4060 with 16 GB of RAM and it's going great so far! Loving the 1080p performance!
I think a 7600 or 7700 is appropriate given the price of the 7800X3D with the 9800X3D sitting around the corner waiting to release. Am still good with my rig, been helping my friend price storage lately.
Upgraded to aorus b650e elite ax ice, 7800x3d, Corsair 6000mhz cl30, 1050w PSU. Now I'm just trying to stop my self upgrading my GPU till next year. Rx 6800 is fine till Nvidia 5000 or 7900xtx drops like a rock. £700ish budget
Jason, you Hit It Out of the Park on that 2nd Build! Loved the GPU Choice! The (2) Fan Model will easily Fit into a Micro-ATX Case!
Asus ROG Ryujin III 360, Asrock Phantom Radeon Rx 7900 XTX 24GB, NZXT H9 Flow, corsair mp600 CORE XT M.2 2280 2TB 4.0, ASUS ROG STRIX 1200W GOLD AURA EDITION, GSkill trident z5 RGB series 64GB DDR5 6400, asus rog maximus z790 dark Hero wifi 7 and Intel Core I9 13900K. Seagate ironwolf pro 4tb Nas Hard drive 7200 rpm 256mb Cache, 6 asus tuf TF 120 ARGB Chassis fans
I really admire Jason's build recommendations because he keeps a laser focus on bang for buck performance but still brings home the aesthetics that people are looking for.
Thank you! I appreciate that
Nice combe he considers it's nice❤
I think no matter the build, always expect at least one component to be on sale a week after you've built the damn thing.
Love your helpful format and I gotta say thanks for making the channel approachable to newcomers. Long live the Master Race!
So glad you enjoyed and that’s a pretty safe bet (;
thats a easy problem to fix once you purchased everything STOP LOOKING AT PARTS AS YOU DONT NEED THEM ANYMORE 🤣
@@WeihrauchShooterBlissful Ignorance vs Uncomfortable Truth lol
Built my first pc last year and couldn't have done it without this channel. Love your personality and depth of knowledge.
Heartened to see the Vetroo cooler being used. I bought a 5 pipe Vetroo CPU cooler a few years ago and am very happy, good cooling and a very quiet fan and RGB.
Nice! Its a great cooler
"It's about getting you what you want, when you want it"
Exactly sir! So many people let waiting for great deals stop them from getting good deals, and others wait so long they miss stock entirely.
Happened to a colleague of mine. He could have bought a RX 7900 GRE for €520,- Inc. tax. The model was even excellent tested on our nations biggest hardware website (edit = Inc. tax)
Yeah, money is always tight these days, but i would kick myself way harder waiting for rock bottom prices just to wind up missing out entirely, or having to wait months longer for that pricing again.
I understand that saving 20 bucks here. And 10 bucks there adds up, heck i still do budget am4 builds for people just getting into the hobby, so yes i deal hunt for that tier of hardware, but having the parts for 10 or 20 bucks more than someone who spends all day refreshing newegg and jawa to get the best possible price is worth it to garauntee you get the parts you need to complete the machine and put it into service, rather than have several hundred or over 1000 dollars of hardware just sitting incomplete while you try to save an extra 2% on total build cost on your last few parts is a level of patience i dont really have.
Yes!
Especially when one would need to save up, or get a few parts once a month.
Stop buying bad things in 2024 ❤🎉
Winner! :)
How will I know what is right for me 😂😂
Yeah that jest sum it up
I’m absolutely thrilled that I decided to buy 7800X3D last month, I think I just dodged a bullet there 😂
Congrats!
I got a 7600x, but it’s serving me fine
Same!
Same i see 7800x3d around php25-30+k now i bought mine for 20k luckily on sale back in May.
Lol I went to Microcenter a week ago for a 78x3d, but the 7950x3d bundle had a much much better board, so I did that instead ^_^
I actually got a cpu, motherboard, ram bundle for $515 and the 7800x3d was only $210 at my microcenter🔥🔥. Once in a lifetime deal for me.
Congrats!
same building my pc with those parts
Yup same but I got the 5800x3d for
Bout to do the same
I live about 1:30 away from Micro Center (San Diego) and might have to make the pilgrimage. Not for this deal but just to bless myself at the holy shrine
These were some great builds you put together for these people.
I'm considering building a PC for my son. He just started high school, and of course, he games.
Thank you! And that’s great. Best wishes to your son!
@PCBuilderChannel Thank you, brother. I hope yall are ok with the Hurricanes
I considered waiting for the latest AMD CPU's but boy am i glad i decided to go with the 7800X3D just before the new CPU's came out. Saved me money compared to prices now and the new CPU's turned out to be not worth it anyway.
Exactly this! I understand the urge to wait as nobody wants to build something and then have it no longer be the best a month or two later. But Tech moves fast these days and I urge folks to get what is best for them when they want it.
I haven't made the switch to AM5 CPU's, I still run my desktop with windows 10 and will be doing so for as long as I can.
Honestly the Ryzen 5700x3d as a drop in upgrade for anyone still on AM4 is excellent.
The biggest downside of AM4 for gaming in 4k is that you're going to want a solid B550 or X570 motherboard that makes use of faster storage, ram, and pice bus bandwidth.
Personally I'm still happy with my Windows 10 desktop, I prefer using it over my Windows 11 laptop.
@@PCBuilderChannel I'm extremely confused why you're suggesting your viewers should buy a 7800x3d in the first place?! What's the use case? This CPU is extreme overkill for 95% of gamers.
I got that Seasonic Focus GX Gold 1000W for $131 off of Newegg. Now I can OC my 6950xt if I want to without tripping. But i found out the main problem with my build was my memory. It was faulty, so I sent it in for replacement and got your recommended Silicon Power sticks!
Great!!! Yes sadly a certain % of all RAM sticks will fail, and it sucks when you get unlucky! But glad you fixed it!
GPU: look at that chart at 8:22, get the RX6950XT for $279 like I did. A few less fps for $500 savings. It is just insane that people would rather spend $500 more for that 5-10 extra fps.
6950XT for $279?? Where?
@@rubenramirez8062 pre owned, and really lucky
Wow, I'm thrilled that this got on an episode. This build was for my wife's first PC. (Already been built).
We ended up squeezing the budget a little for a pink 4070 GPU.
Funny that you put the Vetroo v240 AIO on there because I originally was going to use that, but everyone & their brother kept telling me that an AIO was unnecessary. Ended up going with Team Group for the RAM & found the Adata m.2 SSD on my own. We plan to add more storage down the road. The SSD in the case is meant to be the OS drive.
Overall, I think I did pretty well for my first build. 25:35
I'm now working on a build for myself that will be a power-house 4k gaming rig.
Thanks for sending it in and congrats on your build!
@PCBuilderChannel Thanks. Seeing your recommendations was validating on whether I made good choices in the end. I feel like I did pretty well. The case was the money pit, but my wife really wanted that specific case for the pink theme.
The only part I didn't end up liking was cable management between the fans & the controller. The fans only had daisy chains for the 3-pin connection but not the 4-pin. Getting them all to reach in that case was...frustrating.
If you wanna go another level up on aesthetics (and way up on price), you could get a NZXT Kraken Elite 240 or Z53 in white. They are AIOs with an LCD display so you can show a cute animated character as the centerpiece of your build. There is a cheaper kraken non-elite, but it has a much smaller display inside a black circle which is not as appealing.
@@gtphil1489 that's a cool idea. My wife would dig the animated LCD.
If your building and looking at getting 4070 GPU watch out we see them been made with slower GDDR6 memory this drops raw memory bandwidth by 5%, so not going to be as good the only reason got one if they cost less than the GDDR6X models so chech memory and make sure your GPU use GDDR6X
Yes the 4070 GDDR6 ones are bad. Nvidia doing its usual shady hijinks. I haven't seen that they are doing that with the 4070 Super models or higher, however.
@@PCBuilderChannel The sad thing is we back to reading the fine print on GPU boxes and can see someone going oh I save tiny bit money and end up with a worst GPU
Was this what was going on with ltt and gamersnexus video about nvidia naming schemes recently?
idr the 4070 getting a new version with worse vram
@@ACE112ACE112 yes
@@jamesgodfrey1322 HU reviewed a 4070 GDDR6 card. It's a few % down but Nvidia is charging the same.
SFF component prices will always be my Achilles heel. Their prices never seem to drop significantly, even during Black Friday sales. Oh the bane of my love for small and powerful machines...
Hey man i just wanted to say that i stumbled on your videos when starting my PC research in regards to my upcoming build and you are now my go to information source regarding everything PC. I love the knowledge and enthusiasm and your speaking voice sounds like you could be hired for commercials. Ill keep watching your videos to keep me hyped up for my build as i wait for black friday. You are appreciated!
Thanks so much for the awesome feedback! It means a lot. Hope you keep enjoying the content!
My gtx 1080ti is still doing well enough for me
Great Video Yet Again Jason! 💪
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
Glad to see you are doing well after the storm!
Thanks! This was filmed before the storm. But we are doing much better now!
This is great, love the effort you put into these builds!
my pc combo is 4070 super + ryzen 7 7800x3d i think its good combo
Unfortunately the 7800X3D is sold out everywhere in the US.
I might have to start recommending the 7900X when helping people out with there higher end builds. It's currently $339. Yes it's not as good for Gaming but it's at least available and not a terrible price.
Hey Ty! So they are still supplying it (at least it seems that way!). What happens is that when the weekends come they sell out and restock midweek. Demand seems to be massively outstripping supply right now. Whether AMD is doing that or just demand is crazy is hard to tell.
@@PCBuilderChannel oh okay. That makes sense.
Just wait if you can. They will be cheaper on Black Friday and several other days coming soon. I bought my pc gear last year at this time. I saved a ton. Essentially I paid less than 1200 for an 1800 dollar pc.
@@thehimself4056 I'm not talking about for me. I'm talking about when I try to help others with their builds.
@@thehimself4056 not to mention that 600$ in savings can go to a new SHINY OLED monitor XD.....which imo is the best UPGRADE to modern gaming in this mid 2020s era to any "SETUP" oled>everything.
I can't seem to find an answer to this simple question. MSI Afterburner offers four RAM monitors and I don't know which one to use. All I want is to see is how much VRAM is being used during gameplay.
Thank you,
Richard
Great video Jason. Informative and hilariously entertaining as always!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Your updated build is good and I agree with most of your recommendations. You did say you wanted an SSD with DRAM but added the UD90 which is DRAMless. These people seem like first time builders, and usually I'll recommend air coolers (Thermalright PA120 or PS120) instead as they have less failure points but that Aqua Elite V3 is a solid price, can't argue against it. Solid build, solid advice.
5:57 I don't agree, for 99% of use cases DRAM-less is basically as fast as ones without it, I'd rather spend less and get more storage
If you're moving large files around often, the increase in write speed might be nice but for everything else, DRAM-less for cheaper is the way to go nowadays with HMB
yeah its weird that the people recommending spending more from dram cache drives have never actually tested the difference
Love the energy, very creative, and entertaining, don't feel like i wasted time watching this. Thanks. I just now ordered a Ryzen 7 5800x3d as the max/last upgrade for my AM4 socket. the next step up would probably be my 2070 Super --> 4080 Super but i'll wait until holiday sales. Might also need to up my 750 W Gold power supply to 850W? not sure. Glad I found your channel.
Thank you so much! Appreciate the feedback. That's a smart upgrade you got going on there. Check out our "how to upgrade your pc 2024" video I think that might be helpful
@@PCBuilderChannelI’m trying to do a budget build. Can I buy used gpu gpu psu? Could be possibly be damaged?
Bought my 7800x3d last black friday. Didni't build the PC until after New Years. Jason had good advice. When the price is right and its something you want, don't be afraid to pull the trgger.
Thanks for hanging in there Jason, I could tell how much it hurt for you to boost a build with a more expensive case setup than CPU. But I do think it highlights an opportunity for case manufacturers. Very few cases come in a different color than white or black.
Yes!!! I think I've talked about this in a previous Q&A at some point, but my issue with things I call the "NZXT Virus" or the "Corsair Virus" is people who want max performance but get fixated on one specific part (Lian Li O11 Dynamic comes to mind!) without realizing how much performance they have compromised. But if a particular aesthetic is the goal - for instance an all white or pink build - then let's do it!
@@PCBuilderChannel it's definitely a niche case (hah pun). But it still kinda hurt knowing drop down to reasonable ~$60 mATX case and jump to 7800xt.
Thanks so much for the help! Definitely need to try and buy the CPU (which I sadly can’t do exactly at this moment) and will review everything you’ve mentioned. Still need to be sold on AIO coolers and fish tank cases, the Montech you suggested looks pretty though!
Glad I could help! Best wishes on the build!!
@@PCBuilderChannel update, snagged 7800x3d for $399 shipped from Walmart 👍
@@PCBuilderChannelthe build is complete and just slightly over budget, many thanks again for your advice! I also took some of your tips from previous videos for some components. 🖥️
Something died inside that man whenever he says"embrace the vibe".😂
It’s a struggle to take away from performance for style but ultimately it’s up to what they want (;
In the first build I know you went with the persons direction and that is totally fine. I am curious however if a 7500f/7600x plus a 4080 super would give you better performance? I suspect it would be better at 4k just not sure if that cpu would bottleneck at 1440p. Any ideas?
My thoughts too. 7800X3D is not giving you more performance than 7600X in 1440p or higher with that GPU in most games.
I would personally recommend going for a 7800X3D with that high a GPU if you can. If you can’t that’s ok, you can always drop in an upgraded CPU in the future
I have that exact pink budget Vetroo tower in my build. Push/pull and it's cooling a 5700X3D.....idles in the high 30s low 40s, max temp under load has been 77 but it sits nicely in the low 70's while I game. And that has been with high ambient summer temperatures in my apartment, which doesn't have AC!! It truly is the little cooler that could🤩💕
Nice!! Thanks for sharing
You mentioned upgraded audio with the b650 tomahawk motherboard, what did you mean by that? How do I see if a mobo has upgraded audio?
Sir if possible, it would be really cool to see you upload a 4090 build for content creators 😊
I built mine about 7 months ago and I’d love to compare
We did a 9950X RTX 4090 build in our recent 9950X build guide video. Check it out it is on the channel under PC Build Lists.
@@PCBuilderChannel I’ll check it out now sir. Thank you for the quick reply 🙏
Thanks so much. I found your videos to be the most helpful ❤
So happy to help!
Why the prices have gone up? I guess you never noticed they raise the prices in the months leading up to Black friday and then drop them again tricking you into thinking you are getting a discount? If you are building a system, buy the parts around black Friday or just after xmas for the best prices
Great video Jason this is why I became a member almost a year ago. To the guy with the pink case buy a white Montech paint it pink save $90😉 and buy an even better GPU
Thanks Rand! And that’s a good idea too (:
@@PCBuilderChannel and it wasn't a criticism I know his wife wants a pink case but he could paint the Montech 😀 Glad you're safe from the weather
Dont switch out that nzxt case.The cooling is great and those are great fans.
Gonna grab a 7600x3D at Microcenter, $299 and nearly as good as the 8 core model.
😢 Canada
Let me know what you think of it!
@@jeffho1727I NEDDDDD IT
I'm fine with everything but the case. The montech cases I've built in for customers all feel cheap and like I'm gonna snap the parts, my staff feel the same about them we've had about 20 go through our shop.
14:00 im pretty sure those 4 additional pins are a bit shorter actually, so that they dont keep making contact when improperly plugged in
at micro center u could get a bundle for $599 with motherboard n ram if u have micro center closed by
yeah but id rather have their team group c30 6000mhz ram that isnt included in the bundle....which the ram they offer is similarly priced but is like c40 or c38 at best. As well as an asus board when i really only want an msi/bios these days considering Hell id even consider an asrock board/bios over asus
what is the best alt for 7800x3d to pair with rtx 4070ti super then? I didn't see you mention about it (after replaying ofc), unless I missed it out
I'd go 7600 right now. Strong CPU (its what I have in my personal gaming rig) and you'll be ready for upgrades in the future. Check out our latest video on the channel for more.
5:07 youre making way to big of a deal for a 36cl vs 30cl when its pretty irrelevant for this build but ok.
For video editing they are going to need more storage soon, to segregate the work load
Up to the editor! I keep giving my wife separate drives for her films and she never uses them lol
I snagged the 7800x3d at 320! I saw and bought so happy with my choice. most of the parts i originally bought have gone so far up in price
The 7800X3D is only so expensive because it's out of stock everywhere, including AMD's own website. Just wait a little bit.
i feel sorry for the people who dont have a micro center near them..😔 a bundle from micro center is a blessing especially if you're trying to save some change and get the most for your money. micro center has the 7800x3d for 390.00
I just bought the 7800X3D for $450 lol. I was ready to buy the 9900x so whatevs. Can’t wait! I’m rocking a 11600k so I’m sure this is going to be a huge upgrade!
Not sure when you filmed this Jason build on the “theme build” I would have went for the 6800 which is available right now for less than the 7700xt but besides that stellar build guides as always man 👊👊 **edit I see you addressed this but just in case the person sees this the 6800 is back for the price of less than the 7700xt (it’s $360 on Amazon right now for the xfx speedster) so go for that.
I'm planning to get a 7800X3D wirh 7900 GRE for 1440p ultrawide!
Now I really want to see someone build the pink build, looks like it would be an awesome build for aesthetics😊
I would like to see it too!
@PCBuilderChannel
Only thing I would change on this build to keep the theme but blow the budget is the PowerColor Hellhound Sakura AMD Radeon 7800 XT 16GB GDDR6 Graphics Card
Still running on AMD 5600x since 2020 and 7900xtx since 2022. No need for an upgrade for while.
When you turned it up to 11 did you remember to break off the knob?
Cheers
I would be curious about the secondary and tertiary timings of the EXPO profiles of the first build. Because the tCL does not really matter, CL 30 vs 36 is not a big deal. tRCD, tRP, tRAS are the same on both kits. However the Corsair is Samsung, the Teamgroup is Hynix M die.
i bought my 7800x3d when you said to buy it around 329 dollars and was able to get a nice mobo to go with it thank you so much for your videos
So glad to help!
BEst all round (1440 ultra--> 4k medium high) budget future+combo:
Motherboards:
Asrock B650 Steel Legend Wifi (white)
Asrock B650E Taichi Lite - (no rgb black)
Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX ICE (white)
Givabyte B650 Aero (white/grey)
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processor:
Ryzen 5 * 7600X
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videocard:
AMD Radeon 7800XT
Awesome videos. I think the next motherboard I get will be one of the X870 models, maybe an ASRock Taichi Lite version. I'll be looking to get one with a supplemental 8 pin power header on the board for running multiple video cards (or a monster 5090). I'm not sure that will be necessary tho. Thumbs up!
Yeah, pretty much have a computer right in front of me that I pieced over the last six months. Glad I jumped on the processor, that is a crazy price hike.
Glad you got what you needed!
Prices are insane for the 7800X3D
In Germany you can still get it at Mindfactory, but the price.
7800X3D 444,- EUR
7900X3D 455,- EUR
9900X 474,-
An the best 8 Core for the price is still the
7700 tray for 216,- EUR
You can get a 4070 Ti Super for 802,- and a 4080 Super for 999,-
So you can have a 7800X3D + 4070 Ti Super for 1,246 EUR or a 7700 + 4080 Super for 1,215 EUR.
Should do a budget build ps5 pro killer
We just put out our Best Builds in September where we did one! Check it out on the channel!
@PCBuilderChannel surprised I missed it I try to watch all the videos, I'll definitely check it out!
@@PCBuilderChannel ya but he's saying since they are launching the PS5 Pro for so expensive, you should do a STOP BUYING BAD PS5 Pros!!!! episode.
Seasonic PSUs are relatively expensive in my region too. Okay, they're mostly A-tier on the PSU cultist list, but I'm sure there are others that are just as good or good enough for less.
Yes always get what is good priced for your region!! :)
Just managed to get a used 7800x3d for $330, couldn’t be happier 😎
Yay!!!
my option would be go for (G-SKILL CL30 32GB 6000 Mhz) insted and (ARCTIC FREEZER iii) watercooler then go for like NZXT H6 flow insted of that H5. DONT FORGET ANTI-SAGG also =D
23:09 You don’t have to worry about the air cooler? That is the complete opposite of why you get an air cooler. You get an air cooler so you don’t have worry about a liquid cooler. There is no worry with an air cooler
Reckon it's Worth waiting for 9800x3d? or is this like 6 months away..? also looking that the 870 motherboards are around the corner... Im on all older gen stuff currently apart from a 3080ti that is being bottlenecked. I know you can ALWAYS wait in tech, but feels like a bad time when prices just went up of the 7800x3d?
That totally depends on you. If you’ve got a system you like now and it makes little difference to wait then might as well. If not, make sure you are factoring in the value of your time
I love these videos 💪🏻
So glad you enjoyed!
Wrong case for that small of a cooler, cpu thermals need either a high af case or large cooler. These will throttle still.
That's also a bit too small for thermals as a case, air acts as insulation if you can't get rid of it.
When it comes to video cards how much VRAM is best for local AI image generation? Should we go ahead and buy a 4 series RTX or wait for the 5 series? Or is there a better Radeon option? Plus what kind of ports do you need for the newest OLED panels?
is the i5-12600k and rx 7700 xt good for first PC build?
I just got all the parts last month and assembled. looks great and plays great
In the last pink build since its going to have a black PSU i would sugest getting some pink or white cable extensions if the budget can be streched just a bit. 😃
Yes for sure, I was just out of budget in the build. Probably should have mentioned that but we were rushing to get this video done before Hurricane Francine hit.
@@PCBuilderChannel What a hurricane is everything ok there? 😱
I got a 3070ti and i7 8700k, still going strong. Is it worth a cpu upgrade now?
Why not 7900 xt for $100 less?
Would a 7800x3d be a good pair for a 4070 super or would there be a bottleneck
It's fine though Jason would prefer something higher.
I got that combo and it works well. Depends on the games you play. I personally play lots of CPU intensive games and I am really happy I went with the 7800X3D instead of a worse CPU and better GPU.
There is always a bottleneck. If you go from playing Space Marine 2 to Victoria 3, a perfectly balanced system will experience two completely different bottlenecks.
You would get better performance dropping to a 7600 and going up on your GPU choice so I wouldn’t do that personally
Would you say upgrading to 7900xt would be good I don’t want to downgrade cpu because I plan to play lots of cpu intensive games
can you please get some pc build recommendations (sweet spot) for Deep Learning and Gaming?
hard to consider
thank you
I bought the 7800X3D earlier this year at the Microcenter for $349.99, and it’s $389.99 right now, FYI.
Which Nvidia 4000 or 5000 Series GPU would you recommend upgrading to for the AMD Ryzen 9 5900X CPU w/o a bottleneck? I'm currently using this CPU with the Nvidia RTX 3070 for Ai. I was considering the RTX 5070, but appears premature at this point.
Not sure about the 5070 but with current gen the 5900X can pair up to a 7800XT or 4070
Built about 2 months ago missed the 7800x3d at $350 prime special but got it at $368 if I remember correctly. Best Buy had the 4090 OC Asus for $1999 replaced the 4080S OC I had originally for the build. That’s for sale only used a month.
Nice!
First build didnt look like it had "Problems" in comparison to slight adjustments needed. *Im also not a fan of the 4070 series cards as a whole lol* Also dont sleep on those insane Air Coolers either! Not every build needs another point of failure.
At this point I have to wonder if the premium on the 7800X3D is worth it over the 7700x, 7900x or even 7900x3d. They're well over $500 in some places and others are completely out of stock. You'll lose a few % in gaming, but save big $$.
How good is the Thermalright Aqua Elite 240 V3 ? I haven't seen any reviews of it, only the 360 model.
How does it compare to a similarly priced air cooler like the Thermalright Peerless Assassin which costs about 10$ less.
Considering building a "waiting build" with a 8600g with a 650e motherboard with plans to get a ryzen 9800x3d and next gen mid tier graphics in the next 12 months. I will probably just wait it out with my 10400 system for now.
I'm stuck in limbo right now. I held off on upgrading until after my vacation, expecting Zen 5 to offer more than it did. Not that I was planning to buy it at AMD's usual inflated launch prices, but I hoped Zen 4 would drop in price. Now, look what happened-the 7800X3D has spiked, and a new X3D chip is on the way. So, I'm left with two options: either bite the bullet and pay a €70 premium (which keeps rising), or wait for the 9800X3D announcement, hoping prices settle down. Maybe Arrow Lake will shake things up, and I might even have to switch to Team Blue-which I really don’t want to do, considering the current state of things. It's just a frustrating situation all around.
i got a 9950x because my 13900k died and my RMA is literally on week 9 and like I have work to do so.... plus Intel were such pricks the entire process. Gluck getting a dead cpu brooo
Yep! That’s the dilemma for a lot of builders right now
If you can wait a few months look into it around the black friday or Christmas sales. They are hiking up the price right now so they can offer better 'discounts' around black friday and Christmas.
Personally I would always put money into a good psu especially a 1000+w, with the 5090 around the corner rumored to be 600w you'll be kicking yourself if you have to upgrade your psu as well. I upgraded my psu to 1000w to run 2x 3090 but kicking myself now I didn't go for 1,200+w. I use the gpus mostly for inference learning and llms.
If he would have gone to Micro center he could have gotten the original PC around 1,800.
The 7800x3d in micro center is 389
Plus the corsair is 109, the CL30 6,400
AIO - artic liquid freeze is 99
So he could have done it with OG build and maybe add a 4080
Building a new PC. I mainly do graphic design and video editing and on the side I play rocket league and cod. I have selected the 7900x and the 4060. Would you recommend a better combo? I mainly focus on the productivity performance!
Definitely not that GPU! Especially not for your build goals and especially not paired with that CPU. See our Best CPU/GPU Combo 2024 video to learn about bottleneck. And if you focus is graphic and editing see our 9950X build guide which also is a good list for a 7900X
@@PCBuilderChannel Thank you a lot!
I just wanted to ask about the case
isn't it.... horrible?
Buttons and ports are located at the freakin bottom which makes it not accesable and you have to dive under your desk every time you boot you pc or train your feet to do it
Fans on the side are just bad ? Most PC's stand against a desk side wall or a room wall which blocks air flow if the vents are on a side
w h y ?
Totally up to your preferences! A lot of builders (especially streamers) have their pc on the desk so people can see their handy work!
I got a DeepCool AK400 Zero Dark Plus CPU Air Cooler to go with my 7800X3D, partly as I didn't like the thought of heavier coolers flexing my mobo! But, now I'm wondering: do I need a bigger one? 😬
Id go up to the 500 personally. See our 7800X3D build guide for more
@@PCBuilderChannel Thanks so much for that, Jason. Having got the mobo in the case it doesn't look so monstrously huge after all. Yep, I'm sure you're right! In any case, I'll be keeping an eye open with the CPUID HWMonitor! 👍
Good work, as usual.
Thank you! Thanks for watching!
I got lucky one day. Walked into Micro Center looking 👀 just for rgb fans, and saw a 7800X3D going for $279 bucks. I snatched that bad boy up right away!!😊😊
Nice!!
Which gpu should i buy if my budget is around $350 and i want 1080p high resolution gpu. (I have a pc with ryzen 5 7600X)
6750XT or 7600XT
What Ty said
Just one question. Why buy a 6000mhz CL30 ram instead of a 5200mhz CL36 when the 7600 CPU supports "only" up to 5200mhz modules?
That’s the base speed, all kits are designed to be automatically overclocked with one click XMP or Expo. Hop over to our Best Ram for Gaming 2024 video we go over this in depth there. Its a common confusion
Desperate to build or buy new system . My current setup is an am3+ system i built about 8 years ago has done me well but im stuck in yesterdays codecs. It can run games decent enough from an amd 8 core fx8350 and an rx480 rog strix gaming but no W11 upgrade , chokes on h265 etc etc .
I paid 377 for my x3d in March. I’ve only had the pc put together for about 3 months. I wasn’t even thinking about building a pc when that chip was 320
I have currently a 7800xt paired with an AMD 7600, 32GB Ram Corsair, 2TB m2 SSD with an Asrock B650M Pro RS, 750W gold, packed in a Bitfenix Nova Mesh SE M-ATX. Basically I built this based on your video, Jason.
A friend of mine wants to buy it from me and I am now looking at building a surperior rig. What do you suggest?
Thanks Jason!
Depends on how much you're willing to spend on this new PC.
For me, anything under a 4080 isn't really 4k..You need the speed and bump in memory IMO.
Up to personal taste of course but my 4k gaming rig is a 7600 7900XT and I love it
Do you think by gpu and cpu combo for 1080p gaming is good 7800xt and r5 7600, what parts would you reccomend my budeget is $1300
That's a good combo! Overkill for 1080p though, I'd recommend going 1440p. Or you could save money with a 1080p focused build. See our Best Builds September for more options
@@PCBuilderChannel I hear, but I was thinking of future proofing my pc a bit what gpu cpu combos woudk you reccomend for the ultimate 1080 gaming and high fps
Edit - would my orginal combo run 1440p 240 fps
@@joemomma9903with that budget you'd have the option to get a 1440p Monitor if you wanted to.
At 4:08 of the video, Is the Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE air cooler a better alternative for the 7800X3D?
Yes great cooler! Great value too if you want air cooling.
That's a great air cooler, am using at least one around me.