I absolutely loved this episode. Enjoy! Here’s the timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:38 How Companies in the West Virtue-Signal 07:35 Bonhoeffer’s Theory of Stupidity 12:19 Mean World Syndrome 20:40 Two-Step Flow Theory 26:38 Introspection Illusion 33:58 Sayre’s Law 41:28 Nut-Picking 54:43 The Lesser Mind’s Problem 1:01:03 Discussing the Word ‘Retard’ 1:09:38 The Law of Oligarchy 1:12:50 Noble Cause Corruption 1:18:58 Fire-Hosing 1:23:02 The Beautiful Mess Effect 1:32:20 Where to Find Gurwinder
THIS WAS SOOOO GOOD CHRIS. OMG This is *the* topic of the decade, man. Every single person that consumes information from social media should watch listen to this conversation. Good god keep it up. 👍
God damn the first 30 seconds is so true. It's too high risk and low reward to have a strong opinion on anything bc of the possibility of getting cancelled by the herd. Even though it annoys us and the people who hear us when we answer controversial questions evasively (like how politicians and athletes do) the benefit of speaking like that outweighs the annoyance every time by defending us from cancellation. I have so much admiration for people with hot takes who speak their mind. Great guest and episode Chris!!
Oh no you haz brains. No goes to Twitters. Dey gona show you to dem haters. Run with haste my fellow adventurer! For the beasts of arrogance are roaming.
@8:52 I didn't appreciate the comment "the Left sees the Right as bigots and the Right sees the Left as groomers and child abusers." This is a false equivalency and please allow me to explain. For years and years those of us on the Right have been labeled as racists, bigots, violence ... yes, the most benign things are interpreted as "violence," such as the term "epistemic violence" referring to mistakenly calling a biological male by the pronoun "he" whilst he prefers "she." In fact, the major American news networks have called the Right "Nazis" too. I used to be on the Left (most of my life) but a major catalyst for my move to the Right was my hatred of the Right which I eventually investigated only to find that out the political Right is not evil, racist, or Hitler-like. Once I was able to see through that lie, I was open to the issues on the Right. So, just recently we on the Right started to point out that the Left are grooming students in schools and this is child abuse. I am a k-12 teacher and I actually SEE IT FIRST HAND. So our framing of the Left as "groomers" and "child abusers" is empirically correct for those who care to study what is happening in American public schools. So the guy made a false equivalency because the Left simply throws ad hominems at us, ad hominems that they refuse to back up YET we can prove with documentation from public school teachers that the Left are groomers and ergo child abusers.
I loved this conversation and the previous one with Gurwinder. It's striking to listen to someone so brilliant who repeatedly mispronounces Manichean. I have heard this with other intelligent people using words such as imprimatur. It leads me to come up with a concept I want to call "literate irreligiosity." It's clear that Gurwinder has *read*, but it also seems likely that he has not been part of a church conversation or history course that discussed Manichaeism (or bothered to look up how it's pronounced). I see this quite often with smart people who might know much about many topics but who have holes in their knowledge when it comes to religion.
@@justachannel8600 Manichaeism died out before we began. That being said, we would follow St. Augustine in opposing Manichaeism and its contemporary variations.
My first and only TH-cam comment. I consider this a primer on critical thinking. Chapeau gentlemen, your efforts are deeply appreciated - especially in today's swirling soup of low-brow sensationalist content.
Great convo Chris. You should look into Peter Boghossian. He's a gender studies scholar who focuses on how to have difficult conversation. He's brilliant.
Brilliant episode, Gurwinder really serves as an example on how to be as close to true centrist as you can be. Though I lean right because I don't believe in all of the gender stuff and critical race theory, I believe that there are faults and positives in almost every ideology. Having a left and right to balance each other is also CRITICAL.
I've recently discovered this channel. This "wokeness" is completely ridiculous and impractical to the VAST majority of of people who I come onto contact with regularly. Thank you for articulating this so well.
NGL... Im sort of proud of myself for figuring out most of these concepts on my own by introspection years ago. However idk if that means they're easy to figure out or if im a critical thinker. 🤷🏾♂️ I suppose all that matters is that I knew and was able to integrate them into my life to make it more peaceful and full filing
IMO It’s not easy! You (and me) fortunately have an interest in introspection and belief in your spiritual and mental ability to do so. A lot of people get stuck and I wish they knew about introspection and growth mindset! I can’t imagine living without introspection/spirituality intuition ~it’s the only way to grow!
@@juneelle370 But how do you know that's not our ego boosting some arbitrary accomplishment to make us feel better? How do we know that most people don't know these things and maybe this guy is just better at articulating what we all subconsciously already know? I would certainly feel a little less accomplished if that were the case.
My wish would be that most people do come to know this with age but my anecdotal life experience is that not too many people are introspecting and most actively avoid it for psychological protection. Also, again in just anecdotal experience-that most people don’t mature much with age. It’s all a matter of effort. If more people knew that that effort paid off, O think they’d do it. The vast majority are stuck in entertainment infancy, are tribal and regurgitate tribe thoughts. You can tell this is so when an argument is challenged and there isn’t a defense just empty rhetoric. Also, if the majority were maturing naturally -the world wouldn’t look like it does. , I don’t think we are “superior” for being introspecting -just that we’re fortunate that we can and by interest, do! We escaped the mindless mimicry societal path of empty entertainment laid out for us by society. For many, they want their information spoon fed mushy! I’m just happy I have tools to grow~ and I’ve got a lot farther to grow! ☀️ I do believe people are capable and if we create a society that wants independent thinkers and truly strong dedication to doing what’s right~then more people can be in a better place! So much is habituation and entrainment through our radios and screens
16:30 Strawman. Also just because you are hot we normals don't have the same experience. Women are not always mean to everyone, no one made that claim.
The reason us 2A people are not willing to give another inch is how hard it would be to get it back. It is the ultimate in individualism. If you dont have the tools to fight back, there is no reason for the bully to back off. Put another way, I've never seen a fight at a gun range.
I was told in my university class by two white professors, that I was not allowed to call Pacific Islanders, "Pacific Islanders", and I had to call them "Peoples of the Pacific," I was so confused and yet it was doctrine and I couldn't question it without looking like a racist white person who has no consideration for colored people, it was interesting and I completely forgot about it until now. The thing I came to was that these people felt so much guilt that they were making things up
To all those who call for absolute equality... have you considered that it is impossible to get any work out of a system at equilibrium? In other words, in a system where everything is equal, no useful work can be done. The reason people work and strive and compete is that there is something better from where they are currently, and they want to GO THERE. If you make every place exactly the same, there will be no impetus to go anywhere. We will all stay locked exactly in place, either by the authoritarian rules in place to keep anyone from being better than anyone else, or simply by the fact that there is no good reason to expend the energy to do anything at all. Thermodynamics works just as well with people as it does in mechanics.
This is dumb. Think of all the work bot getting done because people aren't able to freely explore their chosen field due to poverty and extreme inequality. How many athletes geniuses and artists, all of whom due useful and meaningful work, are we missing out on because they're stuck economically in untenable positions?
@@OnlyLyricsMatter what's dumb is that human history is full of amazing works of art, engineering, human endurance, etc... and NONE of it created in an environment when everyone was "equal".
Chris the Star Wars thing is in the past not the future. (Long, Long ago in a galaxy far, far away.) The issue with the Black actress happened because of a very negative response to people of color in recent Star Wars films and shows. Lucasfilm was trying to stand with their actors.
Oligarchs. Yes indeed. It is true to say that gurus are often a problem in themselves. But seldom are gurus themselves nearly as big a problem as their devoted followers are.
It's called people first language. Consider it this way. I have a down syndrome daughter vs. My daughter has down syndrome. Down syndrome doesn't define who she is. She is her person first.
Listen carefully, he says that he doesn't believe Trump holds too many far right beliefs, which I also think is true. He only claims that Trump had a significant voter base that is far right and that is not totally untrue either.
The intersectional considerations of the identity signifiers (we used to call the _adjectives_ ) having reached the neighborhood of the old asylum I feel hopefully is a kind of intellectual low water mark for my life. But I have seen too much to hope that such a buoy would hold any cultural significance 😂 Idiocracy left a lot of people out unintentionally as it were
the difference is the folks starring in libs of tik tok can be seen in our daily lives...at the store, in the school...in our towns AND they are politely tolerated. Never seen a white supremacist at the town hall. The nut picking is not the same.
Always "funny" to listen to people, who are sure of things, that I don't understand, how they can be. Lack of evidence/proof, that a specific person hasn't seen, or "just" is to cognetive dissonansed to aknowledge, is not proof of something not being.
Deeds? Where does this guy get this. Most people until in recent history barely lived to the next day. I mean just look at the Black Death for instance. They had no time in the Black Death to ponder about deeds.
I'm sorry, but Gurwinder's 'insights' are fairly obvious and banal. I will add Concept 15 to the list: We tend to be colder in the winter than we are in the summer.
I absolutely loved this episode. Enjoy! Here’s the timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:38 How Companies in the West Virtue-Signal
07:35 Bonhoeffer’s Theory of Stupidity
12:19 Mean World Syndrome
20:40 Two-Step Flow Theory
26:38 Introspection Illusion
33:58 Sayre’s Law
41:28 Nut-Picking
54:43 The Lesser Mind’s Problem
1:01:03 Discussing the Word ‘Retard’
1:09:38 The Law of Oligarchy
1:12:50 Noble Cause Corruption
1:18:58 Fire-Hosing
1:23:02 The Beautiful Mess Effect
1:32:20 Where to Find Gurwinder
Thx for the timestamps. Very helpful.
THIS WAS SOOOO GOOD CHRIS. OMG
This is *the* topic of the decade, man. Every single person that consumes information from social media should watch listen to this conversation. Good god keep it up. 👍
Wow this conversation punched my brain. What a caring yet informative attack. Thank you both for this.
God damn the first 30 seconds is so true. It's too high risk and low reward to have a strong opinion on anything bc of the possibility of getting cancelled by the herd. Even though it annoys us and the people who hear us when we answer controversial questions evasively (like how politicians and athletes do) the benefit of speaking like that outweighs the annoyance every time by defending us from cancellation. I have so much admiration for people with hot takes who speak their mind. Great guest and episode Chris!!
Oh no you haz brains. No goes to Twitters. Dey gona show you to dem haters. Run with haste my fellow adventurer! For the beasts of arrogance are roaming.
Chris, cannot thank you enough for introducing so many young thinkers to your audience. This was bomb!
Intro got me hooked.
Terrifically enlighting episode. By being aware of the tricks, the tricks no longer fool you.
@8:52 I didn't appreciate the comment "the Left sees the Right as bigots and the Right sees the Left as groomers and child abusers." This is a false equivalency and please allow me to explain. For years and years those of us on the Right have been labeled as racists, bigots, violence ... yes, the most benign things are interpreted as "violence," such as the term "epistemic violence" referring to mistakenly calling a biological male by the pronoun "he" whilst he prefers "she." In fact, the major American news networks have called the Right "Nazis" too.
I used to be on the Left (most of my life) but a major catalyst for my move to the Right was my hatred of the Right which I eventually investigated only to find that out the political Right is not evil, racist, or Hitler-like. Once I was able to see through that lie, I was open to the issues on the Right. So, just recently we on the Right started to point out that the Left are grooming students in schools and this is child abuse. I am a k-12 teacher and I actually SEE IT FIRST HAND. So our framing of the Left as "groomers" and "child abusers" is empirically correct for those who care to study what is happening in American public schools. So the guy made a false equivalency because the Left simply throws ad hominems at us, ad hominems that they refuse to back up YET we can prove with documentation from public school teachers that the Left are groomers and ergo child abusers.
Brilliant. Regards to both.
This one was really fantastic.
That intro is an absolute homerun
Loved this one! Very illuminating 🙂
Great interview! Thank you alot.
I loved this conversation and the previous one with Gurwinder. It's striking to listen to someone so brilliant who repeatedly mispronounces Manichean. I have heard this with other intelligent people using words such as imprimatur. It leads me to come up with a concept I want to call "literate irreligiosity." It's clear that Gurwinder has *read*, but it also seems likely that he has not been part of a church conversation or history course that discussed Manichaeism (or bothered to look up how it's pronounced). I see this quite often with smart people who might know much about many topics but who have holes in their knowledge when it comes to religion.
I'd really like to hear you pronouncing his name.
P.S: No malice intended; please don't curse me,I am a child of God.
Ha, good point!
So what is the stance of Jesuits on Manichaeism? No offense intended, really curious.
@@justachannel8600 Manichaeism died out before we began. That being said, we would follow St. Augustine in opposing Manichaeism and its contemporary variations.
@@RossmannSJ What are contemporary variations?
My first and only TH-cam comment. I consider this a primer on critical thinking. Chapeau gentlemen, your efforts are deeply appreciated - especially in today's swirling soup of low-brow sensationalist content.
this Gurwinder dude knows how to articulate a thougth
Enjoyed this one
would love to see more from this guy
This is great.
Coming up with one original idea is very hard but this guy has half a dozen. 😊
Love this guy
12:20 it was a real paradigm shift in my worldview when I realized this
I love this so much.
7:06 umm... actually chris star was is set A LONG TIME AGO in a galaxy far far away🤓
One of the better episodes.
7:54 - what is the word used there; "monitian?" "menishian?" I can't find the right definition
Manichean -->Manicheism
Great convo Chris. You should look into Peter Boghossian. He's a gender studies scholar who focuses on how to have difficult conversation. He's brilliant.
Great and lowly are RELATIVE. ;)
Brilliant episode, Gurwinder really serves as an example on how to be as close to true centrist as you can be. Though I lean right because I don't believe in all of the gender stuff and critical race theory, I believe that there are faults and positives in almost every ideology. Having a left and right to balance each other is also CRITICAL.
Star Wars is set in the past. "A long, long time ago..."
I've recently discovered this channel. This "wokeness" is completely ridiculous and impractical to the VAST majority of of people who I come onto contact with regularly. Thank you for articulating this so well.
NGL... Im sort of proud of myself for figuring out most of these concepts on my own by introspection years ago. However idk if that means they're easy to figure out or if im a critical thinker. 🤷🏾♂️ I suppose all that matters is that I knew and was able to integrate them into my life to make it more peaceful and full filing
IMO It’s not easy! You (and me) fortunately have an interest in introspection and belief in your spiritual and mental ability to do so. A lot of people get stuck and I wish they knew about introspection and growth mindset!
I can’t imagine living without introspection/spirituality intuition ~it’s the only way to grow!
@@juneelle370 But how do you know that's not our ego boosting some arbitrary accomplishment to make us feel better? How do we know that most people don't know these things and maybe this guy is just better at articulating what we all subconsciously already know? I would certainly feel a little less accomplished if that were the case.
My wish would be that most people do come to know this with age but my anecdotal life experience is that not too many people are introspecting and most actively avoid it for psychological protection. Also, again in just anecdotal experience-that most people don’t mature much with age. It’s all a matter of effort. If more people knew that that effort paid off, O think they’d do it. The vast majority are stuck in entertainment infancy, are tribal and regurgitate tribe thoughts. You can tell this is so when an argument is challenged and there isn’t a defense just empty rhetoric. Also, if the majority were maturing naturally -the world wouldn’t look like it does. , I don’t think we are “superior” for being introspecting -just that we’re fortunate that we can and by interest, do! We escaped the mindless mimicry societal path of empty entertainment laid out for us by society. For many, they want their information spoon fed mushy! I’m just happy I have tools to grow~ and I’ve got a lot farther to grow! ☀️ I do believe people are capable and if we create a society that wants independent thinkers and truly strong dedication to doing what’s right~then more people can be in a better place! So much is habituation and entrainment through our radios and screens
thank you!
Anything greater than ourselves and our knowledge should be curiosities, not beliefs.
"The neon-haired children"!! 😂
16:30 Strawman. Also just because you are hot we normals don't have the same experience. Women are not always mean to everyone, no one made that claim.
Commenting for the algorithm :)
People don't seem to get that. Or just don't care. So much for being smart and/or nice.
The Russian interference in 2016 was so miniscule and now so discredited that I think GB should rethink and clarify thispoint.
52:51 in Germany it is still unacceptable to say haha. It’s a country that’s a couple years behind in many areas :D
Star Wars is set in the past Chris !!!!
The reason us 2A people are not willing to give another inch is how hard it would be to get it back. It is the ultimate in individualism. If you dont have the tools to fight back, there is no reason for the bully to back off. Put another way, I've never seen a fight at a gun range.
I was told in my university class by two white professors, that I was not allowed to call Pacific Islanders, "Pacific Islanders", and I had to call them "Peoples of the Pacific," I was so confused and yet it was doctrine and I couldn't question it without looking like a racist white person who has no consideration for colored people, it was interesting and I completely forgot about it until now. The thing I came to was that these people felt so much guilt that they were making things up
To all those who call for absolute equality... have you considered that it is impossible to get any work out of a system at equilibrium? In other words, in a system where everything is equal, no useful work can be done. The reason people work and strive and compete is that there is something better from where they are currently, and they want to GO THERE. If you make every place exactly the same, there will be no impetus to go anywhere. We will all stay locked exactly in place, either by the authoritarian rules in place to keep anyone from being better than anyone else, or simply by the fact that there is no good reason to expend the energy to do anything at all. Thermodynamics works just as well with people as it does in mechanics.
This is dumb. Think of all the work bot getting done because people aren't able to freely explore their chosen field due to poverty and extreme inequality. How many athletes geniuses and artists, all of whom due useful and meaningful work, are we missing out on because they're stuck economically in untenable positions?
@@OnlyLyricsMatter what's dumb is that human history is full of amazing works of art, engineering, human endurance, etc... and NONE of it created in an environment when everyone was "equal".
wrong
Britain's Gulag The Brutal End of Empire In Kenya ~Caroline Elkins
Chris the Star Wars thing is in the past not the future. (Long, Long ago in a galaxy far, far away.) The issue with the Black actress happened because of a very negative response to people of color in recent Star Wars films and shows. Lucasfilm was trying to stand with their actors.
Posting opinions make my comments disappeare...
lmao
For the algo
Oligarchs. Yes indeed. It is true to say that gurus are often a problem in themselves. But seldom are gurus themselves nearly as big a problem as their devoted followers are.
Third time listening ❤
It's called people first language. Consider it this way. I have a down syndrome daughter vs. My daughter has down syndrome. Down syndrome doesn't define who she is. She is her person first.
1:16:36 blind spots for evil-- would this be abortion today?
no
@@CONEHEADDK why not?
Sociopaths are not usually serial killers. Psychopaths on the other hand
Star Wars is set in the past, not the future.
Was with this guy up to the point about lab grown meat as if eating veg never kills or harms anything.
48:14 How remarkable that Mr. Trump went from the FAR RIGHT to not really being on the right, in a matter of five seconds or less. ;)
Listen carefully, he says that he doesn't believe Trump holds too many far right beliefs, which I also think is true. He only claims that Trump had a significant voter base that is far right and that is not totally untrue either.
@@rohilthomson kindly provide an example of a "FAR RIGHT" belief. ☝️
YT is going mad😡 I had like 16 adds on the whole video
The intersectional considerations of the identity signifiers (we used to call the _adjectives_ ) having reached the neighborhood of the old asylum I feel hopefully is a kind of intellectual low water mark for my life. But I have seen too much to hope that such a buoy would hold any cultural significance 😂
Idiocracy left a lot of people out unintentionally as it were
The Hannah Arendt quote was from 1978? Really?
the difference is the folks starring in libs of tik tok can be seen in our daily lives...at the store, in the school...in our towns AND they are politely tolerated. Never seen a white supremacist at the town hall. The nut picking is not the same.
Always "funny" to listen to people, who are sure of things, that I don't understand, how they can be. Lack of evidence/proof, that a specific person hasn't seen, or "just" is to cognetive dissonansed to aknowledge, is not proof of something not being.
Midwit is exactly the same as saying halfwit…
Let them woke all over them. Nice one.
A good show would be why do so many Americans talk in cliches.
Mmmmmmm, brain food 💙
Deeds? Where does this guy get this. Most people until in recent history barely lived to the next day. I mean just look at the Black Death for instance. They had no time in the Black Death to ponder about deeds.
wrong
Actions>words. People are full of shit. Pay attention to what they do.
The most beautiful mess in the world is Justin Trudeau.
The phrase Tiktok generation makes me want to throw up
Over verbose conman
I'm sorry, but Gurwinder's 'insights' are fairly obvious and banal.
I will add Concept 15 to the list:
We tend to be colder in the winter than we are in the summer.