Battle of the Ports - Fatal Fury Real Bout Special (リアルバウト餓狼伝説スペシャル) Show
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- Many have asked and here it is. Battle of the Ports Fatal Fury Real Bout Special.
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Time Code
00:21 - Arcade
02:44 - Neo Geo CD
04:12 - Sega Saturn
05:56 - PlayStation
07:57 - PlayStation 2
09:29 - Game Boy
11:31 - All versions side by side
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To the composer of blue mary theme: you know you have made a great theme when even on gameboy it sounds great.
You mean Blue Mary's BLUES or Mai Mai Kyuun? In the video, Blue Mary's BLUES is briefly heard, while Mai Mai Kyuun is the one that is heard the most.
Yup, its time to turn on my Sega Saturn after this one.
Honestly, I played the PS1 version until death back in the day, since despite SNK strong presence in Brazil in the 90's (we had some arcade releases with portuguese language option), I never saw the Arcade version of Real Bout Special (but the Original Real Bout was hot at some arcade houses). And I was blown my mind when I saw the game boy version. Takara did a good job (with some exceptions) on the Nettou series.
great subject this week for BoTP. I've always considered the PlayStation release to be a sort of pseudo-sequel/upgrade type of game since so many things were changed or altered. It never really felt like a straight port to me. Not to mention some special moves(and combos by extension) end up causing some slowdown here and there. I do like the Obari style animation used, though.
That Gameboy port looks good. despite the reworking, the character sprites still look distinctive, and you can tell who's who. The audio is fantastic as well.
The GB port is surprisingly playable. Takara really got their act together with the later Neo ports to the GameBoy.
I mean there's nothing pseudo about it. It's the sequel to the RBFF games on the Neo Geo with a new crime lord who tries to take over Southtown by hypnotizing Geese's organization and a new main character in Alfred. It's funny how physically similar the new villain is to Garou's Kain-- they definitely found a "type" for bad guys.
The Game Boy version looks and plays just as great as its NeoGeo Pocket Color version. This is something Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat games often never got right on Game Boy, to be good and not turn to crap.
This is one of those games I picked up for multiple platforms. Saturn, PSX, PS2, Gameboy, and the emulated PC version.
One of my favorite fighters.
My favorite fighting game of all time and probably the game I’d take to a lonely island if I could only pick one. Played the hell out of the PS1 version first. Was so delighted when this arrived on the Wii Virtual Console.
Hi Mark,
Thank you for stopping by to post on the occasion of the 5th anniversary of the Neo-Geo thread on Atariage.com. Really means plenty to me seeing that you did so kind sir.
Also, that was an excellent picture using Blaze from the Bare Knuckle/Streets of Rage series bro. It really fit the moment for her to be on. 8^)
Thank you as always Mark. Keep u the great work you always do for us in the community. 8^)
Anthony..
Hey Mark.
Another excellent Battle of the Ports. This time with the all so awesome Real Bout Fatal Fury Special. I love this game and glad that it made it onto your channel.
Also, thank you for posting this up on the Neo-Geo thread on Atriage.com. We're enjoying it and I'll make a reply back to you soon bro. 8^)
Anthony..
Always loved this game. Its fun as hell and looks fantastic! The sprites look great.
The Saturn and NEO GEO CD ports are pretty sweet. And I have to say that also like the PS1 port despite the missing animations.
To be fair, the PS1 version is more of a spinoff than a port (hence the Dominated Mind subtitle) SNK purposely changed many characters completely (Blue Mary for example is more of a grappler) and the game plays in a very different way. Think of it as a Turbo edition of sorts (just like in SF II where Champion edition and Turbo are completely different games despite having almost the exact same graphics) It's actually a pretty good game on its own as a stand alone game.
As for the Saturn version, didn't know those glitches were in the original game. I only owned a bootleg copy back in the 90's and always thought the bugs were only in the bootleg lol.
Nah, they're present in the real game. I was using the real disk on my Saturn. It actually turns out that the intro runs too slow on the Saturn by a good 7 seconds. I sped it up for the video comparison just to keep things looking good. Maybe later revisions of the game were fixed but the original release is bugged.
I remember reading about Dominated Mind back in the day. The existence of it is odd. Certainly, the PS1 could have handled the plane system. I wonder if they did it to cut out the unique sprites for each character related to that. Or perhaps they considered it an experiment with the series to see how a regular, single-plane setup worked for the series and how it would be received. Regardless, a fun comparison. I like to see how the Neo Geo ports turned out as there's more going on than is immediately visible. Too bad RAM was so limited back in those days.
The PS1 couldn't handle the necessary additional frames of animation to have the plane system, that's why they stripped it off and made some tweaks to compensate while they were at it.
The PS1 simply did not have the proper hardware or available VRAM to handle Sprite heavy games like Garou Dentsu Real Bout. It was TOO weak to handle.
Not gonna lie, but the Dominated Mind version is the superior definitive version of Real Bout Special in my opinion, it at least had a plot and the two new characters Alfred and White along with the animated cutscenes are so awesome they make up for the flaws in this version.
Wish I could 'like' this video more than once, this really was fantastic Mark :) Here in Australia without importing / buying from overseas the only way to play this is either through MAME or by downloading Fatal Fury Battle Archives vol 2. off of the PS4 PSN, sadly 'back in the day' for PS2 they never released vol 2. in PAL territories :( also, that Gameboy version looks like a blast to play :D
Japanese multiplatform until 1998 games be like:
-Sony: PS1
-Sega: Saturn
-Nintendo: N64? no fuck that shit; Gameboy
Thank you SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much for this one. I was debating the other day if I should get the Saturn import or not.
It's well worth picking up. It will also run with the 4mbit ram cart too.
Love this game!! Had the Saturn version back in the day! Also picked up the Battle Archive for PS2 that was a great collection!!
@Retro Core - Great video... I feel like playing some figthing games, but can't since I'm having a lot of work. At least I have time to enjoy your videos. Thank you very much good friend.
Don't worry man, there's always time to fit in a little round here and there.
the neo geo cd and saturn version is missing terry voice samples in the intro
Possibly the greatest of arranged soundtracks, deffo up there with Sam spirits 2! the speech samples in that Saturn version sound crushed, looks great tho. Amazing game :D
I think I had the volume levels set too high when recording the Saturn footage.
Another bonus for owners of a CRT with 240p support over component or RGB: the Battle Archives compilations for Fatal Fury will play the in-game stuff over 240p. Not good for incompatible HDTVs, but it just looks so damn great on a CRT at natural 240p
Yep, I was playing in 240p but the PS2 ports do have a filter over the graphics I feel.
@@RetroCore Aye. And strangely, the Western release of both Battle Archives had green blood (at least, the version I had). But, 240p is still nice, and just another nice title on the list of ports just meant for a CRT telly.
Green blood? That's just silly. Looks like they saw the Saturn Port of House of the Dead :p
Oddly the Battle Archives for Volume 2 let you play the games in Japanese, yet the blood remains censored. That's the same issue that plagued KoF 98 UM, but I don't worry about that one because I have the Japanese release.
@@Bloodreign1 Huh, that's rather fascinating.. Censorship's wierd, man..
now this....is perfection thank you mark now i can rest easy and my favorite of all ports is the neo geo cd for three things
first:the arranged soundtrack
second:the original mode in it and finally the sexy and the true high quality and the ultimate music video that was done for blue mary....it really proves that the neo geo cd could have been one of the awesome consoles if only it didnt fail for some reason
It was a good console but I think it came out at an awkward time: after the 3DO and right before the Saturn and Playstation. AFAIK its US launch was horribly late too. 3D was the new hotness, and it didn't help that its massive amount of RAM (for the time) was fed by a single speed drive. Some of the load times are real patience testers (Last Blade 2 is noted for being particularly horrific).
Saturn and Playstation ports were inferior, but they loaded faster and were probably good enough for most people. No TH-cam back then to do in-depth comparisons.
Great Video! I like your game comparison series.
Thanks for watching.
Cool port comparison and RBS is personally a favorite in this game series (the Real Bout games that is). I distinctly remember valuing the 'practice' modes available in these Saturn ports. In the days before MAME and emulation... and to be honest even as someone who owns the AES/MVS carts; this is an example of one where modes are missing. Not sure if there's even a proper VS mode in the mvs/aes versions.
I have this on my Sega Saturn as part of the Real Bout Garou Densetsu - Best Collection (Real Bout Garou Densetsu and Real Bout Garou Densetsu Special). Sadly I never really got into this version of the game as I was into Real Bout Garou Densetsu 2: The Newcomers, a game that has just about never left my Neo Geo. I guess it's time to fire up the Saturn and give it a spin again!
Irony I bought this yesterday on saturn, been waiting for this botp for a while
Talk about a coincidence. You'll love your Saturn copy.
GAMEBOY FTW !!!! BTW it's this just me or.... GameBoy version look exactly like KOF pocket for Neo Geo pocket ? No wonder GameBoy version look so good.
Weirdly enough, my snk fighting memories are gameboy related. Here in Mexico there was a supermarket chain called Gigante, rip, that had an electronics section. They always had japanese games and that's where I got a lot of gb snk fighters. I also got my neogeo pocket and 4 games combo for around 80 us dollars at the time. Cheers from Mexico.
That's cool you could buy Japanese imports from a supermarket chain. That's quite unusual.
Shiranui Mai is probably the best thing ever happened to Andy, Terry and Joe... I can imagine an exciting foursome between them...
I'd rather not. 3 girls, sure but 3 guys isn't my cup of tea 😋
Actually about the PS2 Version, it was actually censored in the Western Reigons (NTSC-NA/PAL), reason being is that the blood was either removed or changed into Green or White despite the 'Teen' Rating
That's just sad.
@@RetroCore well it's not about the ESRB, its about SNK guidelines and censorship here. Take a look at King of Fighters, they censorrd Mai's breast bounce in Western Versions. So technically it's not the ESRB's fault
@@teamdoa its still censored regardless
@@teamdoa and yes you can still download/purchase it on the PS4 Store
@@teamdoa here's the link: th-cam.com/video/E_Mv44INAT4/w-d-xo.html
They did a great job on the Ps1. Neo Geo version still unbeatable
SWEET!! Thanks Mark.....you kick ass!!
Cheers 👍
My favorite fighting series, ever. So sad Saturn never got a port of Real Bout 2, It would be great as usual.
Man this game is awesome. It's my go to Fatal Fury game when I am not in the mood for some KoF.
My favourite in the Fatal fury series, but I only played the arcade version. The ports looks pretty cool in general terms.
My only complaints about the PS2 port are that it seems to run at a lower framerate than the arcade and that there's forced bilinear interpolation, making the image look a tad blurry. The PS1 port is a bit weak, but it's not terrible.
Gotta love that Game Boy version though, it really pushes the system's limits. Takara also did a great job with Samurai Spirts on the Game Boy and Ketō Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Senshi Saikyō Ketteisen on the Game Boy color, so that's no surprise. They really should have handled all fighting games on the system.
The GB port is surprisingly playable on real hardware.
@@RetroCore Yeah I played it on a GB Boy Colour and loved it.
For the PS2 version, I believe the US version may be different than the Japanese version. I'm not entirely sure if this applies to the Fatal Fury Battle archives but I remember many PS2 SNK compilations and ports (Like KOF XI and Neo Geo Battle Colosseum) were based off the PAL versions instead of the Japanese versions which in general are pretty good.
OldGraFX, well there is no PAL release of Battle Archives 2, which contains this game. The one compilation different from it's Japanese release that I can think of is Orochi Saga, which contains two more games than it's Japanese counterpart (94 and 98), a different UI frontend menu showcasing the games, and a boatload of bugs present on the US version which were not in the Japanese release (a major reason I bought it on the Wii instead, and later on got the Japanese Orochi Hen release for PS2), like slowdown, load times, screen tear, and audio bugs. I took care of the 94 and 98 needs by having KoF 98 UM and KoF 94 Rebout.
@@Bloodreign1 Ah gotcha, I mainly knew about KOFXI and Colosseum having bad US versions based off PAL versions and thought maybe other SNK releases suffered similar fates. I have heard also about other cases in which for some reason the Japanese ports use different emulators than the US versions resulting in cut off audio or similar bugs.
A lot of this was discussed long ago in the Shoryuken forums so I honestly don't remember all the details.
I personally collect MVS carts so I don't really bother too much with convertions unless there's enhancements or revisions like Rebout, KOF98UM and KOF2K2UM like you mentioned.
Good old jiggly Mai lol.
For the longest time I though she was saying "me pointy" after winning a round and I'd be thinking "you can say that again".
So retro you could say that even though the PS2 collection of these games are the AES games there still arcade perfect ports of each title cuz the AES home ports were the straight up MVS arcade games
Great review!! :)
really good bro
nobody beats the AES AND MVS carts
saturn,ps1,
even the neo geo cd had sound and frame cuts
Great vid, one question though. Is the PS2 version actually a port made to run as native PS2 code or just Neo Geo emulation? From the video, nothing seems to indicate it isn't just emulation which leaves me a bit confused.
I'm really not sure on the PS2 version. Some people say it's actual Neo Geo code being emulated on the PS2 while others say it's reprogrammed.
Man, Fatal Fury must be that amazing of a series! I think I should play the Genesis Fatal Fury games.
Original Fatal Furys are not that good,Real Bouts were a huge step forward in everything.
Fatal Fury Special is good but the first two, especially the first one is awful.
Have this on PS2 via FF Battle Archives Volume 2, on my Saturn, and the PS1 version, which I find amusing due to the changes made, and the added extra boss, White, inspired by Clockwork Orange. Only version left to get for me, is the Gameboy version.
Also, they dumbed down the difficulty for Dominated Mind, I can mostly tear through it as Mai, other than against White, who suffers from SNK Final Boss Syndrome on a different level. You think you beat the guy 2 rounds, then he shoots a parting shot at you, and if you don't jump over it and hit him one more time, you lose the round as it drains your entire energy bar even if that bar is full.
I hate cheap crap like that. It's not really fair at all.
@@Bloodreign1PS1's King of Fighters '95 has the difficulty nerfed like this as well. It is a cakewalk compared to the Saturn & Neo versions.
That 1HKO parting shot on Dominated Mind is a bad joke. Not funny, SNK!
Great vid! Love that PS2 version and goes on my top 10 of PS2 Fighting games.
The PS2 port is really good. Probably my second best port. If it had the extras from the Neo CD and Saturn it would be the ultimate port.
I really wish they had ported this on Gameboy Color
Yay. Maketh my day- payday came and it all went on over due bills... ho-hum we love life. I'm not a fan of the way the fatal fury series plays compared to say KOF or AOF. However I gave this a chance a while back on emulation and actually I really enjoyed it.
Bills, that's such a horrible word. Paid a few myself last week :(
The Game Boy continues to impress.
@Growing Perspective Indeed!
hey mark which soundtrack do you like? is it the neogeocd or the original?
Ooh, tough call. I own the original MVS cart but I think I'll have to go with the arranged soundtrack for this game. They're both good though.
@@RetroCore yeah and thats why if you saw my first long comment on the video you will see...a massive and a huge praise and love for the neo geo cd port and that saturn bug in the opening...is not really appearing in some saturn consoles i played the saturn version on an emulator and there was no bug at all lmao...except for the music video of course....it doesnt sync up well
I wonder if the bug is a result of me using a 4MBIT RAM Cart? The box does say that the game is compatible with it though.
@@RetroCore hmmm....which saturn type do you own?
Does the GB version have 2 player simultaneous on the Super Gameboy like Samurai Spirits (and I'm guessing World Heroes 2 Jet)?
Yep, it does.
Rabbit (ARCADE) VS Rabbit (Sega Saturn) There are many differences. Ports
I own Rabbit for the Saturn. It wouldn't make a good show since there's only one port.
Would you say it's worth picking up the Saturn version for 20 pounds?
Yep,.
IMO, I think you got some stuff wrong from two of the games featured. Dominated Mind is not a port, is kind of a soft-sequel to RBS. It has an "engine" based on the one for RBS, of course it had to be downgraded a little to fit in the PS1. The game is a marvel, it loads fast, it plays well and looks gorgeous, the voice samples don't sound that bad, I could even say that maybe it was the emulator you used to play it what gave you that bad quality. I might be mistaken, but I believe this was Alfred's actual debut.
The second you got wrong is the PS2 version. Believe it or not, it is emulation, it is a special engine used for some of the online collection titles. It is the original ROM set on home version, I think that even the bugs are present in it, it adds some hacks though, like Alfred on RBS2. The resolution is what gives away the emulation engine used, it delivers progressive scan but it is in the mostly incompatible 240p, without a scaler, you get a blank screen on most TVs. Some titles in the online collection don't have the same engine and deliver a 480i resolution.
Man, no wonder it's perfect. That's the trouble with these PS2 compilation discs. It's tough to know which are emulated and which are not.
According to the US manual, it was "converted" by G1M2; the same people behind the SNK Classic Collection Vol.0 and the SNK Classic Minis for the PSP.
hmm, which is it I wonder. I guess the only way to know is to check out the files on the actual disc. If it's emulated it will be easy to tell.
@@RetroCore For this particular release, is the NGX engine. The roms are encrypted in a proprietary format, although some of them might not be encrypted (I don't have the MAME roms files to compare them at the moment) and some files might be the music archives. In the folder DISK, you'll find these roms, each set has the original NGH number as filenames, 095 for RBFF, 223 for RBSFF and 240 for RB2, it also has a BIOS.BIN file which size matches an old compressed Neo Geo BIOS file used in other emulators.
The funny part about this is that in those NGX titles, the rom files are easier to locate. In the not-so-good SNK Arcade Classics 1 and The Orochi Saga they are compressed individually, in Metal Slug, all the games' roms are in a single file, on these titles, the roms are in a format called POD by Terminal Reality, Inc. In the Samurai Shodown Anthology, I couldn't find them at all.
I feel that the saturn sound samples are of lower quality then the aes. Sounds a bit muted.
They are lower than the AES for sure but they are higher than the PlayStation.
Does the PS2 version give the option to change the sweat to blood?
Not on the US version I played.
Are both the Battle Archives on the Ps2 uncensored? Blood?
I'm afraid I don't know.
US version has the blood censored (even when the Japanese version is chosen as an option in each game), the Japanese version does not.
The Japanese Garou Densetsu Battle Archives version of RB Special is completely uncensored. Same goes for Real Bout 2, but the Blue Mary uh... *Easter egg* in RB1 is censored in all versions.
Thanks for the info guys/gals
Ooh, i do love a good anime opening...shame it's the ps1 version
Why? Ps1 version is good. Not like the Neo Geo offcourse
PS2 has sweat no blood splatters?
Its 1 Megabyte not 1 Megabit.
Don't be fooled by your love for Saturn,voice effects are also as low quality as Playstation's and Playstation is a great port overall with no extra hardware.
The PlayStation voice samples are far lower in fedelity than the Saturn. Play both next to each other on real hardware and you will clearly hear the difference. Also, a memory expansion is not concidered extra hardware. Even without it the Saturn still has more memory than a PlayStation. Not everything on the PlayStation is best. Especially when it comes to 2D Fighters.
@@RetroCore As I told you in another video (ofcourse you cant remember me or any other individual),I was a big Saturn fan,I had a modchiped Saturn back in 1998 with Action Replay 4in1 cart and all that great games imported to bootleg copies,few people had that opportunity back then.And ofcourse I also had modded Psx and played so many games that youtubers now discover.
But anyway,Saturn samples are low and cant compare to Neogeo Cds,they are just equal to Psx's.You want them better from it,thats ok,but still low quality and not arcade perfect.
A memory expansion ofcourse is extra hardware!
And that was a cool thing but it only justifies on Xmen vs SF,Marvel vs SF (both games wouldnt be possible with TAG mode on stock Saturn) and Metal Slug (bad Psx programming on that) were are much superior on Saturn with it.
All others offer just minimal loading times compared to Psx and some more animations.
Real Bout is on of them and proves that it can be cool without extra hardware.
Ofourse even stock Saturn is more powerful on 2d than Psx,thats undeniable.
But in the end,its not by too much,all the hype came after the extra ram carts.
Not everything on Psx is the best indeed,but with good programming it can be great on 2d,Real Bout proved that,Metal Slug X,KOF 98,Guilty Gear,Capcom vs Snk Pro and SFA 3 among others.
Dont underestimate Psx and dont ever think that people didnt enjoyed its 2d games back then.
@@vasileios6301 PSX was severely underpowered and lacked actual 2D Hardware. Don't be biased sir.
@@segaunited3855 I am not biased, I am 37 years old owned both machines back then and both modchipped played tons of import games on them much before youtubers discover them.
I knew what I saw on both Saturn and Psx,Psx is very capable on 2d on good hands,as Saturn is on 3d.
@@vasileios6301 No. The PSX is a very underpowered Console that has no 2D Hardware. It often only used 512MBs of its 1 MB of available VRAM and did all of its Sprite Rendering through software. PSX also lacked Sprite Redrawing, was incapable of animations, lacked Paralax Scrolling, and no backgrounds.
PSX 2D games were notoriously slow, lacked scrolling, had missing animation and choppy frames and also were rendered poorly. XMENVSSF,MvC, Marvel Super Hereos,Rayman,Alundra(which resembled a High Res SNES game with missing effects).
You're being biased because you "Played Imports" on Modchips without understanding Console schematics. And you're also devaluing the Saturn port of Garou Dentsu Real Bout Special which uses more Animations than Neo Geo and FAR more than the slow,Watered Down PS1 port.
You're bias is you wrongfully not recommending the Saturn port which I currently have and played as a Teen 22 years ago on the MVS.
To bad the Saturn had loading times 😭 you would think with the sega Saturns 4MB ram cart the loading times would be gone completely but alas and sadly no lol but other then that the Saturn port is arcade perfect
I guess SNK are no Capcom when it comes to loading.
Right lol all the capcom arcade ports on the the Saturn like the capcom fighters had zero loading time along with being arcade perfect lol
And if you could please do a battle of the ports episode of capcom vs snk 1 not the pro version
Capcom vs SNK onky has one port doesn't it? For the PS2?
Retro Core no the PS1 and Dreamcast
ngcd port had long loading times and some frame cuts, saturn has worse audio quality than the original
Yes, Saturn does have worse audio than the original but better than PlayStation. I wasn't aware of the missing frames on the Neo CD port. As for loading on the Neo CD I think it's a given it takes forever since most games do.
yes but this game and rb 2 were some of the worst loading stuff ever on the ngcd..lol...they had to cut some frame to even the loading as well xD
Wow, that's bad. I use emulation for the Neo CD stuff so loading is really quick. I can set the emulation to emulate actual load times but I'd probably be 5 years older by now with the amount of time I'd need to wait 😋
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Why no snes and megadrive??,
Because this game isn't on those machines.
Why did SNK rebrand fatal fury? I wonder.
Originally Fatal Fury was to be called Real Bout. Maybe SNK changed their minds after Fatal Fury 3 and decide to use the Real Bout name.
I think the announcer steals the game.