You Have to Start Somewhere
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ส.ค. 2024
- With the start of the new year, it's important to to understand that moving forward is more useful than looking back when trying to get more finished miniatures on your wargaming table.
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I'm glad you've decided not to repaint that dude. When you first said you'd found him and were considering stripping/repainting, my immediate thought was of Duncan Rhodes - he's shown off the first ever Space Marine that he painted badly (very thick paint!) as a kid because he didn't know how to do it properly. He kept it on his desk at GW as a reminder of where he started and that he'd be talking to viewers who were in that place. Your Battletech Mech could be a similar sort of mascot for you.
That was my first thought too. I have a warcaster from Warmachine that was the first model I painted and I keep it right next to my paints so I can see where I started from.
Love this!
Mine is a rubric marine.. A ballsy first attempt. I'm gonna put my last rubric next to it and see the difference once I've done the next box of them.
my first model was 1 box of necrons......... spraypainted black base, drybrushed necron steel, and drybrushed ryza rust, highlighted their eyes blue with some faint drybrush to go give them a glowy effect.... i cant say im displeased with them after a while..i think i did ay ok
Agreed. It's good (and I think this applies to all learning) to be able to look back at your first efforts and be able to say 'I've sure come a long way since then'.
Ah yes, the Atlas. The premier scout mech of House Steiner. Nice!
Scout mech lol
Of course. A Steiner recon lance has to include the Atlas, Zeus, Banshee and Stalker.
"Ich hab' Bienen in meinem Cockpit"
I didn't repaint my first mini, I got another identical one and I am going to paint it with my current skill set and then display them together.
You have to start somewhere: or how I learned to stop worrying and just start painting my backlog
This is exactly what I needed to hear. I've been thinking about stripping my old Dungeon Run models, my first paint job. But that would stop me from finishing my AoS stuff. Forward progress!!! Thank you.
Badly painted models still look amazing when fielded as an army!
Bad paint jobs are always better than bare plastic.
@Jeffrey
No.
always moving forward, either in the hobby or in other aspects of life.
I'm gonna push myself into just painting what I think looks cool and not worry about what people might think is cool!
Id rather have a shitty painted army then unpainted one....practice makes best....i improved slowly and im happy with my minis that is the important thing
That Atlas is from the Plastech set, which include 2 each of 8 types of mech, so you may find the Atlas's brother lying around somewhere, allowing you to have one painted as "then" and one painted as "now".
What I did when I wanted to upgrade old models is redo bases. Helped a ton. Didn't go full backward.
For the hopelessly nostalgistici like me,
it’s sweet to sometimes look at your first/older painted mini’s (or tin soldiers
or other). Nice to see your growth and brings back memories. Same for maybe music you wrote, or paintings you made. No need for throwing that away or feel ashamed. Greetings from holland 😎🤠
30 years ago we all used Testor's Enamels. Acrylics are definitely easier to work with, but we still use some old Ral Partha figured painted with enamels for D&D.
Finally a good "slogan" for the mindset that I try to promote with my friends....and sometimes myself. I keep the first mini I ever painted (and a photo of it) to remind myself that I improve with each mini I paint.
Repainting models is a great way to retain the initial investments you made into the hobby when you were younger. Sure, I miss the vaguely remembered paint schemes of my youth, but i haven’t had to buy new models each time I want to paint. The plastic is worth more than my sentimentality
I still have my first ever painted miniature as well. An Ork from the Space Crusade board game. I will never even consider stripping it, it’s like an old photo from your youth. A great memory and a reminder of how much you’ve improved your skills.
Thanks for more great advice. After seeing your videos I've ordered a desk lamp and purchased reading glasses for when I start painting again.
The last time i was this early Big E was still unifying Terra!
I did a double take when I read your comment cause the Big E is a fair in New England. lol
this video could not have come at a better time as I have just done my new year's cleaning and found a whole bunch of 40k and WHFB minis from the 90s that I considered redoing until Uncle Atom smashed some sense into my head
100% agree, Adam. I will never re-paint anything I've already finished. They are the marks of where I was and how far I've come, and I find that to be incredibly encouraging.
I found one of my first minis about 2 years ago. It was a Reaper Heckylmeyer the skeletal jester. It had been painted before I was introduced to priming minis so most of the paint was chipping off. I decided to strip and repaint him. I tried allot of new techniques and really pushed past my comfort level when repainting him. He is now one of the first models I am truly proud of after more than 20 years of painting.
I do how ever have a few of my earliest minis that I won’t strip because I like seeing how far I have progressed since the 90s.
Just started to play GW LotR again after about 15 years. Most of old painted miniatures are bad painted by 10 years old me. Now i repaint some of these old models, because i neither wanna play this bad painted army nor wanna rebuy all these stuff. But I will keep some old models to see how i painted back in my childhood.
I hope you enjoy playing the game again! With the relatively recent rerelease of the game, now's a great time to try it out again!
I didn't jump into that game when it was first released, so I don't have any old figures. I have, however, found some really good ebay deals with figures that I've overpainted. None were so gloopy that the details were obscured, so a light re-priming was all it took. Welcome back to the game!
@@johnmcconnell9979 I've done similarly, but I like to use simple green to strip more of the paint off ahead of time, especially on metals where the paint doesn't adhere as well. Plastics are rather more difficult to do this with however
Good compromise. Save a small handful of models that are easily replaced today--probably with new, better sculpts--but strip and repaint most of the army. Best of both worlds!
Moral of the story from this video, don't let greatness be an obstacle of good. Move on to the next thing, get stuff done!
"Quantity has a quality all its own" - Thomas A. Callaghan Jr.
There's something to be said for reaching a level that you can paint a new army with a quickness and also have it look good.
Directly to the point though this is something that was hard to learn originally and a lesson I remembered when I was able to get back into the hobby (life stuff) about a year and a half ago. The lesson is your first bunch of models are going to suck or at least not come out the way you pictured it in your mind when you started. I saved myself a good deal of grief when I got back into it after life forced me to put hobbies on the back burner for a few years. Instead of just jumping into a new army I spent about a hundred bucks on a few dozen miniatures for D&D from the Nolzur's Marvelous Unpainted Miniatures line that I wouldn't be using on a table at a game shop but that still looked cool enough to me to get into painting and I would use in D&D games at home with our group. Sure enough the first couple really kind of missed but around the twelfth model I started knowing that I really could start seeing improvement and that was encouraging enough to keep me going and even the worst was good enough to use at home and I got to practice without stressing over ruining my favorite new army. If you're not into D&D check out the cheap Bones miniatures from Reaper for practice.
Clicked for the Atlas thumbnail :)
Preach! I've been trying to tell everyone this same thing, never forget the path you've paved to where you are now!
I don't go back and paint old models just for the hell of it, but I do if I'm pulling out old stuff that I'm either getting back into a game or re-purposing them for a new game and I'll be adding new stuff so I want a consistent army look. It's basically like finding a cheaper eBay in my closet. Though a recent incidence of this didn't go well. I was going to redo and expand my Khador army when Warmachine Mk3 came out, but after I got them stripped, all momentum towards playing the game died before I even started getting them painted.
Painted models roll better, but newly painted ones rolls worst of all :p
I've stripped a couple of models. Once a set of 10 repeater crossbow units of my dark elves because they were poorly painted and I'd gotten my hands on better paint to use for them and I was going to paint another 10 models anyway, so I stripped them to make both units uniform in painting, and they look much better for it since the original paint scheme just hadn't worked out. And I've stripped my old Cauldron of Blood and repainted it because the colours originally just didn't work and I'd found a way to make them look much better. Both of these were because they were active parts of my army and the original colour schemes just weren't right for what I was going for.
I'm actually going to strip Khaine from my new CoB because I (again) used a colour scheme that just doesn't work for it in combination with the rest of my army. To me, this makes sense, especially when it's for an active army.
But I'd never strip my old metal witch elves, no matter what, I wouldn't. Or my old harpies. Because they're good the way they are. Yeah, I'm better these days, but new models can show that off, these I don't need to repaint to get there.
Never go back! Just get more models (like most of us didn't already have those...) and paint them.
The only exception I can think of is if the model is a rare classic you can't get anymore.
So weird it was just last night at lime 3am I was wondering if to sell and re buy half my blood raven army because I've recently found a much better way of doing the red armour. I had a good look at a few of them and ya know what... They're great with the darker red colour scheme and they're painted to a good standard. Sure the army's tone is different but they're staying. This video is only re enforced that idea and saved me months of re building and painting.
I'm glad to hear that it helped. Forward progress is key. Thanks for watching!
Forward Progress and starting somewhere is something I needed to hear at the beginning of this year for sure. I've painted exactly 2 models ever and it's not a hobby that I consider myself a part of. But as a fellow Artist, we forget to always move forward and remain diligent in whatever it is that we do.
So thanks TH-cam algorithm? I guess?
Gotta admit, I clicked on this because of the Fatlas.
And you should totally play BattleTech again! The new plastic minis are gorgeous!
I keep my first reaper mini learn to paint models in my curio case with three years of experience painting still, it is great to see the difference. Important to focus on the journey but always anchor the past. Helps push through frustration
I was at 3D print profiles, how did I end up here. I came for thumbnails and stayed for His voice
Getting my foot in the door was my biggest obstacle and after that everything kinda fell into place and I can’t imagine not being in this hobby.
Hah, one of my First minis too. Battletech Plastech Atlas !
Mine too. I recognise those mould lines! :)
Thanks for this episode. I had spent the latter half of last year agonizing over how to touch up and re-base my largest painted army, even though my second army for the same system had plenty of unprimed models waiting to receive some love.
Never repaint models. Never. Not unless you have no unpainted models.
Going back for repaints is fine.. much better than spending 100's if not 1000's of $ a year on models that will never be painted.
That Atlas is awesome. And you’re right, everyone has to start somehow. It’s always nice to look back and reflect on how far you’ve come.
If an Atlas is awesome, does it have three PPCs? I'll see myself out. 😁
January 3rd: "I guess if you have an inordinate amount of time on your hands, then, knock yourself out. But most of us don't...."
That aged….oh, so well. :)
I thought about stripping my Ork shootas and doing them over, but I really think it is important to have a PHYSICAL representation of your progress. It gets me motivated :D
Jagelsdorf Creates I just finished painting my first set of minis, Gaunts, today. They’re not the best, but I’m excited to see how I’ll improve in the future!
Awesome advice, Sir! Great to hear that you've taken up the piano, too!
I’m still new enough in the hobby that the first miniatures I painted are still being played with on the table.
So I've been in the process of returning to hobbying after a 7-8ish year break. My project has been to finally finish the bases of my 40k army.
And the urge to touch up and repaint my guys is a strong one. Gonna try and suppress that until I finish now. 46/51 so far!
I have a dreadnought that sits on my painting stand. It's my first model that ten year old me painted. I definitely agree with everything you said in the video. I have now gotten back into the hobby(wh40k) this holiday season and I am in the middle of painting an imperial knight. I'm still not very good at painting but being able to look back on that little dreadnought ensures me that I have atleast improved.
A few weeks ago I found the first models I ever painted. They were a couple of goblins from a snall minature company from a convention I did with my dad. I was probably 4 when they were done. After a couple of hours of research I found a website in Australia that had them and I bought the couple of characters and added them to the base of my general of my Gloomspite Gitz army. Now I have the originals and a new pair done over a decade later.
I’m still pretty new to the mini painting hobby. But I will say there’s one mini of mine that I’ve stripped. It wasn’t the first mini I’d ever painted but it was the first 40k mini. It was pretty bad with thick paint and ugly mistakes. But as I was learning to paint I had someone teaching me how to do it. They were great at teaching me and because of their help the difference between the first and second models was night and day. I painted a few more and improved little by little with each model. But nothing was quite as big as the gap between the first and second. I eventually decided to strip the first because it just couldn’t compare with its squad mates. If he was going to serve with them then his uniform needed to meet their standards hehe
I needed this video 8 months ago when I decided to strip and repaint all my dark eldar. Almost none of them have been repainted...
Just dug out a bunch of built but not painted Lizardmen from 6th or 7th . I had the army 100% painted till a new edition and got behind. The temptation is SOO there to finish the army but it will take time from SW Legion and other armies. Thanks for the video
You're videos are always a breath of fresh air. Always inspiring
Good video Atom. I am starting to appreciate holding onto my older minis just to have and reflect upon.
My first mini I painted was for Battletech too. Was a Dragon DRG-1N. It wasn't a great job, but at least it was in acrylics :)
When in doubt start with skeletons.
I had the same mini painted with Pactra acrylics. This past year I recently repainted all my old mechs because my gaming group was starting in on Battletech, but I did take before and after pics. I have plenty of other prime examples of my early, burgeoning painting skills to see how far I have progressed, though.
The issue for me is the pricing of minis and paints here in Brazil. Its near impossible to keep a consistent practice. Nice video.
The Sage of Sheboygan speaks. I've heard this lesson before from Uncle Atom and others.
But I needed to hear it again.
Looking at the mold lines on that Battletech robot (mold lines are yet another nemesis of mine) made me laugh and feel a little better about my mediocrity.
I've kept a set of my original miniatures that I won't repaint for nostalgia. But I have also repainted a number of battletech minis to place in battalions. I would not hesitate to repaint something if I have a reason, but I won't repaint just because. This isn't really for keeping a record of my skill, but I want to paint new things.
There are multiple versions of the atlas, including a very pose-able atlas that is fun to build and paint.
I have been painting for almost a year now. My first ever miniatures I painted was a group of Liberators for Age of Sigmar. I look at them and they are not painted well at all. The wash I did was very light so virtually non-existent, I skipped over so many details because I lacked the confidence I could do them and I really just wanted to get them painted to play and my eagerness to play won out and is very evidence on those first few batches I worked on. I kept wanting to strip those liberators because they look like garbage on the table compared to my newer work.
Instead, I thought I would add a new kit. Now I just finished painting them last night and I am basing them as I type here but I have 10 models here I am very proud of. I did something new with both sets of five. Now I can hold them up next to my first batch and show very clearly my progress. The game still comes first to me. I'm not in it to win painting competitions but I do want to have things I can be proud of. If I'm being honest, at good chunk of my games are against grey/black hoards so I think it is totally okay to have mediocre models in the mix.
SHD-2H Shadow Hawk and a 10 man squad of plastic Chaos Dwarves were my first minis. Those Chaos Dwarves were super bad. I still have 8 of them. I've actually given away 3 of them as inspiration to new painters that saw some of my much better stuff and said "hey when I started my stuff was horrible too, just practice". One of them came back to me years later from a painter that I inspired when I had gotten out of the hobby for years. Never stop those old models they are your origin story!!!
I made this mistake with my original set of Cadians back from 3rd 4th editions. However I did keep my Chaos Lord whom I went very ambitious for and just painted with no idea other than DoW video game. Still one of my fav models and look decent for what he is due to me just going for it no chains to hold me back!
My first painted model (a Murloc) still looks awesome and is a reminder of my potential - back when I was “level zero” - I had finished it in less than 2 hours. Can’t say the same for my first painted Space Marine though! I wish I hadn’t stripped him and made him 300 times better :(
I repainted some tyranids recently. I’d decided on the paint scheme about 6 months ago and recently I started getting ideas for a new scheme, using color temperature and undercoating and all sorts of things. And ya it pushed back me getting my sisters of battle kill team done, but I’m so excited to have bright and vibrant bugs and have a paint scheme I can do pretty quickly and have it really look amazing.
You are awesome Uncle Atom, you help me so mutch in my hobby! Thank you so mutch 😄👍🏻
I almost stripped a 2and edition ultramarine captain. But then I realized it was the first space marine I painted (terribly) but I dont play ultramarines so I decided to keep. On the other hand i had a few converted 2nd edition tyranids that were not my first and I stripped those to improve and redesign.
I have some models from Rumbleslam (which is a brilliant game) from various stages in my painting journey that show where I started, where Ive been/learned, and where I am. Ive learned a lot since I started somewhere around 2 years ago. Personally, I like seeing the different stages Ive been at. At the same time, Id love to get another set of the same models and paint then the way I currently would do to see the difference.
Thanks for another great video!
Hi!
Great video. I have found myself stripping old miniatures a few times now. Firstly after a 10 year break from the hobby. As I had over 3000 pts of old marines I was reluctant to go out and replace what I already had. Plus a tactical squad made up of RTB01 always turns heads at the LFGS!
I've recently mothballed this army as I needed a change (25 years plus with heroic Astartes) and moved to Genestealer cults where I found myself stripping down 30 imperial guard (a failed project) to become Brood Brothers.
Keep up the great work!
I still have the first model I painted. It reminds me how much I evolved as a painter. Besides I feel sentimental toward it.
I just got my gf to paint my old tyranids... I just stripped the worst minis and let her experiment. That way we can share hobby time and to this point I can almost play a fully painted tyranid army :)
I can send you another Atlas from the last boxset to paint up. Be a nice before and after of your abilities lol
Does he still have to do it in enamels? 😅
Ps, I really like your enthusiasm and literacy.
An exception to this would be if you're repairing the old model. My first miniatures ever painted were also Battletech, and I did not know about pinning etc when I built and painted them. That lance of mechs has broken about 1/3 of their total glue joints (guns, arms, even the bases have come off several) and are mostly a pile of metal at this point. I'm going to need to clean them up in order to reassemble them, and that means the paint is going to be damaged or removed anyway. They are not my top priority as I have other things to work on too, but fixing them is necessary to enjoy them.
I will happily send you a unpainted Plastech Atlas to paint if you would like. I found your channel looking to improve my painting skills. I would love to see a video of you painting a mech propper!
"Painted models roll better." Think I just found out why I suck so bad at 40k
In historical mini's world, it's re-basing. LOL
just start exploring this new world of miniature painting/wargames hobby.. starting with a Khador Warjack from Privateer Press and Ironskull's Boys for Warhammer Underworld.. Wish me luck :D
Battletech is still great. I'm currently waiting for the items from the "Clan Invasion" Kickstarter. They ended up with 11.277 backers and a total of 2.586.421 $ pledged. The Atlas and many other designs were resculpted and they look awesome now.
I think the most important lesson from this video is that you should play Battletech.
Loving the Stuart Smalley vibe in this video!
I don't have unlimited hobby budget so I will absolutely strip and repaint old minis because I can paint better now or because I need them to look different. Also I don't play games that require me to buy models to play the current codex every few years so my painted forces serve me longer.
Glad you didn't say, "I'm going to tell you." Isn't nicer to have a chat rather than being spoken to. ✌🏻😊🇦🇺
This is good advice but i feel for classic old sculpts they deserve love and to be repainted if just for the sake of having them as a display peice, i found a old squad of metal space marines from the early 90s that i painted when i was in high school i'm stripping them and repainting them to have them as a display set.
Am I the only one who would repaint an old model out of the passion for the exact model and the wish to do it justice?
My first starting point will be to get a new hobby space.. Then I'm gonna put all the unfinished models on the table and just go.
An ATLAS from Battletech, Still a great game! Still playing it!
Wow, I just today finished stripping an Eldar Avatar that I painted over 20 years ago. My only defense is that it had a lot of places where the paint had chipped off.
Funny, stripping some BFG minatures right now from way back when because want to do them in my Space Marine Chapter colors...was amazingly heavy on spray primer back in the day...
I only strip minis i have painted if i cant find them for sale anymore. Like the Vampire the Masquerade mini from Ral Partha i painted when i was like 10 with testers enamel, eventually i want to redo that one. But for most everything else I leave it as a marker for where I was to where i am now as a painter
Good food for thought. I really haven't looked at many of my older stuff recently.
Also I am in Oshkosh this week if ya want to come by the family and see us and talk. Also I would totally buy any CBT stuff you have off ya if you are looking to get rid of anything :).
Hell yeah battle tech!
NO! dont strip it! That model must be preserved as is and placed in a place of reverence. For it marks you path to improvement if you erase your past you will not know how far you have come. But you know what you can do? Buy another of those guys and paint him up to stand next to his brother.
Personally I would keep my best and worst painted miniature from the past and repaint the rest if it was an army based. That way I would have a kind of reference point of where I started in my painting.
With the above said, I feel I should state that I have yet to even build a miniature. But I did get the 40k Dark Imperium starter box for Christmas... so this should change shortly.
That's actually what I just did. I kept one of my OG marines from the Battle of Macragge set and stripped the rest of the army. I wanted to keep my presence on the tabletop as consistent as possible but knowing where I came from is still important to me.
Man! That is a tough first mountain you have set yourself. Going to be steep. Potentially a will-breaker. Couldn’t you have started with a few single sprues bought from eBay; just to get some practice in? Best of luck.
@@peterdickinson4599 - You haven't heard the craziest part yet. Beings as I'm starting this project at pretty close to a Zero Point (growing up I did build and paint a few model planes, ships, cars and even a Robotech Veritech Fighter. But that was back in the mid 1980's) I'm planning on making a different TH-cam channel from this one, my personal one, recording it the whole building of the box kit and putting it up for others to watch. I figure that it maybe could be a fun and informative video series for people interested in possibly getting into tabletop miniatures gaming and people who are already in to this hobby might just find it interesting also.
I believe that I've already gathered most of my needed tools to do the project. Cutter, primers, paints, glues, items for a wet palette, knife, homemade handles, poster tack and sanding boards. I may still need some items for basing, because I agree with Atom that a base with nothing done to it just looks kind of wrong. I also plan on giving credit to the other channels, where I was exposed to certain ideas and techniques, by giving linking to the video/videos in the description and maybe in the video itself.
I just need to get the camcorders, they are in transit currently. Finish my color scheme for my Space Marines, just need to finally how I want to signify ranks and veterancy in the scheme. I also need to write down layout of video topics for the two different armies.
See I told you it was crazy at the start.
@@Winterydee Yes you did say it was crazy and you were not exaggerating. That is an outrageous challenge. Good luck. I'll keep an eye out. And you might want to add brushes to that list... :)
@@peterdickinson4599 Oh I got two multi-brush packages of cheap brushes when I got the poster tack & rattle cans of primer. I may still pick one very nice brush for final details. But 20 brushes( 2 are fan brushes... so those are only going to be useful for terrain maybe) for less than $10.00, should get me through the 53 miniatures in the box and hopefully a few more.
I'm also already talking to a friend who picked up an Adeptus Mechanicus Battle Box early last year, but was only able to put together a few of them together due to work, about finishing building them and painting them for him. I would also record and upload that too, if he has me do that for him. But I want him to at least see my SM army before he agrees to it so he can see what level of finished product he should be receiving from me.
Another friend also bought the Battle Box Starter for Necron at same time, but has been able to do most of the building and I think painting. So I have not talked to him about doing those for him, but maybe.
I literally painted an Archer as my very first miniature.
I see Battletech, I click!
Your bad models are fun memories :)
Ive stripped vehicles because i had a clearer vision on how I wanted them to look, but it be too expensive to rebut them. It was about a 3 yr gap, and totally worth it because they looked like complete crap before, and not all uniform either.
I still play battletech. 23 solid years now.
as a person who started painting about a year ago (I just assemble and paint I dont have anyone to play with kek) I can say that there is no point in stressing over painting and such, at first I was really just tryharding on easy-to-build spehs MAHRINES of course damned primaris but welp, and Im so happy I did, no I know that I hate painting models which are mostly 1 color, after marines I picked death guard and spend much less time on them and I still think they look much better. the comment may/probably will not be applicable to the video but I just wanted to give my input. and yea don't strip your past minis, my first mini looks like crap but I love it since it made me start in the hobby
I had to strip ALL my old models as there was a slow leak behind the display cabinet because the workmen drilled too far puting a new shower unit in. This in turn slowly leaked into the cabinet causing hell with my models. 😢