I once spoke to a chap years back who claimed in the late 70's he released 2 panther ( one adult one young) in Leicestershire, I won't say exactly where but I can say for sure numerous locals have been seeing these in the area until this day
I feel embarrassed to say this but I was attacked by a cougar 2 years ago on my way home from the pub I managed to get free and run for my life, I got home and described the beast and my mom recognised straight away and identified her as jackie the land lady of the pub, I had a luck escape!
Go back some 35+ years just outside Evesham in Worcestershire, whilst driving home, about 1am, I saw something that was slightly bigger than an Alsatian/Labrador, with yellow eyes, very dark in colour with a long tail. it ran along the middle of the road. Stopped to look back at me, then disappeared into a large orchard. I suppose I saw it for no more than 10 seconds or so. The one notable thing about this, was the hairs on the back of my neck stood up. it was almost like a primal warning that I was not the main predator that night. I'm not saying it was a big cat, but having had Alsatians in the past, I know it was _NOT_ a dog, a domestic cat, a fox or any other large mammal that's _normally_ found in the UK.
@@tomasofaolain3117 Haha! Nope. Nor did I have any stains in underpants ;-))... But I remember it as well now as though it only happened yesterday. I was in my convertible MG Midget, so I didn't hang about 8-))...
i'm from evesham, i've seen a large black animal in harvington. down a track in just the moonlight at night. probably 2009/2010. me and a few friends saw it too, walked right past us. we all gathered it was a dog at first but we all saw and long thick black tail, and it was completely silent. some partial footprints we found, but we'd walked over them when we found them again. it could have been a dog, but this would have been a big dog, and i can't find a breed that would have a long thick tail like that. or why it wouldn't have tried to interact with us after coming so close to us. one of my friends jumped out of the way of it, and he said it looked like a cat but bigger, i saw him jump and instinctively moved with him, and saw the tail going past me and its hind legs, and my friend behind me said he saw a really big dog and its tail touched him, but didn't see its head. tail was easily 1 metre long, thick and bushy all the way to the end where it was rounded off. would have been about a meter and a bit tall. we all saw that.
@@karmah88Really interesting to read of your experience in Harvington. I had relatives who lived in a quiet little road at the north side of Harvington village. I told them of my encounter with a Black Leopard in April 2000. On telling them, they revealed to me that they often saw Black Leopards from their bungalow. In fact one often slept in a large tree opposite, until the people across the road lost their nerve and had the tree felled. On one occasion a mother? with Cubs passed across their driveway. They would be heard jumping over the 6 foot fence in the night, landing with a big thud. The local gamekeeper was well aware of them. This would have been in the 1990's. Nice that they are still existing in the area.
I have never seen a big cat for myself but I have a friend and extremely good Witness Who just wouldn’t make things up and he tell me about 3 Years ago he was in a Field in Coalville Leicestershire and in the middle of the Field he tell me he seen 2 Lynx He just wouldn’t make it up I showed him a bobcat and a lynx and immediately Without Hesitation he said it was a lynx
I lived in Leicester for about 3 years, i have found large prints in a few places around the city's outter areas and woodlands. I can also say that from the prints ive found, Lynx's are not all that roam Leicestershire.
@@DJLKM1 Few could tell the difference between larger cat species prints (like some of the experts here they can't even identify obvious hoaxes, or probable dog). Being skilled enough to detect the differences so well would be invaluable for finding these creatures are widespread & not unusual. Proof will be simple with good trail camera information. And Labrador cats aren't credible. Neither are many of the statements by experts in this video.
I’ve seen one seriously these things are out there I see one in sundon quarry around the yr2000-2002. Labrador in size pure black long tail , we thought , me and my brother it was a dog , then as we approached thinking how the hell is that dog on the hillside of the quarry Then after about a minute walking towards it , it leaped up a cross the hillside it covered a huge distance very quick that’s when I knew it was a cat , I looked at my brother and he was as scared as me so we left right away
They are around the Lake District My mum n dad seen one a few times, but on private land, it was way too big for a domestic cat, my mums a keen gardener and kept finding it's scat around the farmhouse gardens. Considering where I live and I see deer at the bottom of my street, it's obvious they are out there !
I saw a large black cat near Tixall in Staffordshire around 15 yrs ago ( far too big to be a domestic cat. People laughed at me at the time but I know what I saw)
They are here where I live, although for many decades denied, Canada, Manitoba, however now finally being captured on trail cameras and seen by children waiting for school busses!
Yep I seen one in the Cheshire planes near where the river mersey goes into the ship canal, their defo out there,, there was also a report in the angling times not too far away 3 years later.
1982 - 83 ? Isle of Dogs Millwall E14.. Autumn Sunday afternoon, alone out looking for me mates, going from one disused riverfront warehouse site to the next working me way around the island looking for em. Going from Kingsbridge onto the derelict and open site opposite Harbinger school, 1.5 metre average height bushes everywhere… Went to the site of ‘our camp’ ( pallets n carpet, a flashing yellow road light, porn mag etc ) but no one there. I’m one third way back across the site towards the high wall and main road behind and had a sudden and tangible overwhelming feeling of alarm ? I didn’t understand why but upped my pace, semi running. Something caught my eye directly 90 degrees /9 o clock, it looked like the rear half a white cat paralleling me at about 40 metres…. as it walked and dissolved behind shrubbery. That’s the image I had and the immense feeling of urgency to get to that wall. Shit myself people, I sat on the wall for a small amount of time scanning frantically hoping to see something but never did. I remember realising the streets were deserted and it was getting gloomy and I should just get the f…. I swear it was the size of a lion but very very blonde to white.
I too had a very similar encounter in a local wood years ago where i grew up. In the wood there was a main path which was around 10ft wide and ran the length of the woods, there was another smaller and not well trodden path that ran along the outer edge of the wood so it was around 30-40m gap between the two paths. I had walked almost to the end of the main path and decided to cross to the outer path and walk back in the reverse direction. About half way along the outer path i suddenly looked to my left, towards the main path, it was then i saw the very back end of a large jet black animal with a fairly long tail traveling in the direction i had just come from, i just pushed off home and thought no more about it. But in later years i went on to have many sightings across the UK and 3 more encounters, two of them being way too close.
There is a longer version of that video at 22:48, which clearly proves it is a big cat. The tractor tyre markings provide scale for it. A puma owner saw the footage and confirmed it was a female puma.
I’ve been fishing since I was three years old up and down Britain at night rivers canals lakes ect . It’s not if they are loose in Britain it’s how many is the question the people in our society that don’t believe it don’t realise there could be up to 50 active big cats in Britain!! Easily
This subject has fascinated me since I was a kid, and over the years I've come to feel that probably 80% of sightings are genuine cases of mistaken identity. People are seeing something and they're not lying, but (unfortunately) people are terribly unreliable witnesses even when they feel certain. I would include in this category people who have seen "Kellas cats" (large hybrid ferals) and (especially in suburban areas) sightings of domestic hybrids such as savannah cats, etc. This leaves 15% for hoaxes, liars, attention-seekers and those who want so strongly to believe that they're literally kidding themselves. The final 5 percent have maybe seen a big cat, doubtless there are occasional escapes/releases of illegally owned animals.
With the sheer number of reports going back since the 80's and reported by various people the length of the UK, the likelyhood of them ALL being blind or otherwise mental patients is extremely low. And with each new report, that chance gets even lower. I just wish that all the footage that some people have taken didn't look like it was recorded by the hubble telescope with it's lenses removed.
They bring captive Cougars, Black Panthers and other cats to Britain for masonic lodge parties for some rituals and release them in the open to confuse some public confusion, and then take them away. Hence the cryptology continues.
The genuine cases (perhaps) of mistaken identity seem to include some of the reports in this video. The failure to get supporting evidence that should have been present in some cases suggests "genuine" could be dropped or substituted, not much compelling here. Some is possible however, but what is undisputed is the effectiveness of trail cameras. The accessibility of likely areas the absence of good photos demonstrates at best a very few individuals exist widely spaced apart (100's, even 1000's of kms), and mistaken identities or fabrications overwhelmingly dominate. 1 or 2 wandering lonely ones. The possibility of large black domestic cats is very valid though. A professional hunter in another country (similar climate etc) was able to shoot a "young" one of these (11kg, not much smaller than a small leopard) and provide clear photo proof, self professed expect supported. A scientist hearing this was unkind enough (for the pantherites) to pursue recovering DNA from the specimen, and proved it was just a feral cat, super big version. Showing in the hands of someone who kills these pests regularly can be mistaken if inclined to self persuade. It was still an significant achievement to get such a specimen.
@@Steves_fish call it educated guesswork. I'm not saying those are exact percentages, but I am saying it's totally unfeasible that everyone who says they've seen a big cat is both truthful and correct. There simply isn't enough hard evidence to support that number of sightings.
People act like these are UFO sightings. I live in Santa Barbara and there is a black panther that has been loose here for years. It escaped from Michael Jackson’s Neverland. There are many photos of it (google it). The fact that Mountain Lions naturally live here make it easy for it to survive. These cats are obviously escaped from exotic pet owners. There are more than 50,000 exotic cats kept as pets in America. There must be a thousand or two in the UK kept illegally as pets. It is more improbable that none aren’t out there.
All the laws in the world won't stop someone determined to make a lion, tiger or puma into a "pet", even though exotic cats rarely become the calm, friendly companions their humans were hoping for. I wonder if what locals are seeing is a black panther someone tried to domesticate and then released into the "wild" when caring for it became more than they could cope with.
In Nebraska, where there are resident breeding populations of mountain lions, and transient cats can be be found nearly anywhere, well over 90% of reports to the Game and Parks Commission prove to be mistaken, or sometimes hoaxes, when investigated. I'm not saying there aren't any such wild cats in Britain, just that experience here would suggest that most "sightings" are mistaken. For what it's worth, I used to live in a very remote location along the central Niobrara River in North Central Nebraska, in fact on an enormous nature preserve where I was director of science and stewardship. This is one of the areas with a resident mountain lion population. On half a dozen occasions I found sign (tracks, scat, kills) literally in my yard. I could go out nearly anytime and find tracks and/or scat (one scat consisted entirely of porcupine quills). Despite all this, and the fact that I walked, ATVed and drove over the whole place, I never did see one. To my mind, this also suggests most "sightings" aren't.
I agree, in america the black panther sightings are usually black dogs. I recently found out bobcats can be melanistic and they inhabit the same range as eastern mountain lions. My theory is lots of people are seeing them instead. They look very similar to black panthers too with distinct patterns and spots. Maybe the uk they’re black lynx?
@@jesussandoval9843 no as in uk most of the sightings they see a tail which is long and a lynx doesnt have a big tail or a proper tail its a short stump
@@jesussandoval9843 theres no such thing as black lynx theyre just melanistic thats like me saying theres such thing as a black hermanns tortoise when no it would be a melanistic tortoise
@@zaccllewellyn8950 Except mountain lions can and do kill and eat porkies. As noted, I found the scat and examined contents. And yes, I'm qualified to do so. How they manage it is a mystery, that they do it is common knowledge. Lions in fact are hell on porkies. In the area I reference above, fifty years ago barked up pondo pines were common. After the area was recolonized by lions that sight became rare. I could provide a host of citations from the scientific literature about this, but Uboob disappears comments with external links. You can search for yourself. For a good start, search for the title "Near-Extinction of Porcupines by Mountain Lions and Consequences of Ecosystem Change in the Great Basin Desert," dating to when lions' preference for porkies was first documented.
Everything you need to know about weather these things are real is the fact of how many posh ppl released them in the 80s, they are very capable animals who can easily survive in many conditions
I'm 42 seconds in and you lost me where it says the police are taking something seriously.....I mean, Hell yeah I fully believe we've got "Big Cats" livings in the Midlands, I'm from the West Mids and have heard of many a sighting of Big black cats around Kinver Edge, so it wouldn't surprise me if they roamed up and down the British Countryside......... But the Police taking something seriously?? Naaa, Not on my Nelly, that's like saying the Loch Ness Monster exists, I'm not buying into that, Not in a million years 😂😂😂
I’m thinking exotic animal trade gets them there then once in a while the cat escapes or the owner releases the animal for various reasons they can’t continue to take care of them. I’m probably wrong but I have watched docs where people in Florida were in a bad situation….they loved their pet snake but it had gotten so big and hard to handle and care for they had released pet’s before in the swamps. I think now they have a designated day or days people can turn in their exotic pets without fear of being fined. Don’t know if they still do that or not but there have been some huge pythons caught down there because of the perfect conditions. Cats are so illusive….. I moved from the country into the city and the amount of coyotes I have seen by chance (from midnight to around 4am) over the last 7 years would be hard for some to believe. YOU NEVER SEE THEM IN THE DAYTIME unless you’re outside the city. But they thrive. So, big cats I don’t think would be impossible in the UK. I’m not smart enough to say but they have been seen there for decades right. Sorry long comment but I liked the upload and thought it was very interesting. Got the rusty wheels turning. 😏 Also, don’t leopards carry their tails high and curled or “curved” when not hunting? Ok bye
So Danny followed the tracks tp a den where the cats had been living and never thought to come back and stake the den out with a camera overnight? Way to go Danny!
@@baz_1239 My mum went to her bedroom window very early morning and saw the cat across the road walking up occupational lane which leads to open fields and countryide.She turned to my dad in bed and told him to come and look but he was too slow and missed it. She said it looked like a panther/puma with a long tail and it looked like it had a slight limp. 100% sure of what she saw and said too big to be a house cat and looked similar size to our german shepherd.
Thermal technology that have high resolution and range, more sightings will arise and most can video. Laser range finders are more common so the ability to scale becomes more easy to determine.
I have seen the video and i too conclude that it's a big cat, the fence it is next to looks around at least 3ft tall, so a healthy size comparision can be seen. Ive no idea why BBCS claimed it was just a house cat, even though the SCPA's experts confirmed it to be a big cat. Im a member of BBCS and frankly their conclusion im shocked at.
they are there and doorbell cameras arent high resolution so a normal cat couyld look bigger than it actually is, but yes some doorbell cameras can be viewed without pressing the bell as theyre classed as surveillance erquipment
Um if anyone is confused im not gonna explain everything there's way to much of what's actually going on yes there are Big cat's in the UK to Australia there moslty leopards a huge population of leopards where the melanistic gene is stronger and the normal gene is recessive and mountain lions too but the leopards ether hybridize or outcompeted the Cougars to extinction in the UK which is why most of the sightings are black leopards
The one that didn’t kill the dog was like either because it was a former pet, it was extremely lonely and happy to see a social animal or it was playing it with its meal. M
With the cast shown at 5:01 it's not real clear, but if it was a dog the cast would show claw imprints since a dog cannot retract them, but not so with a cat.
I couldn’t help but notice the apparent big cat kills I can tell you for definite they are not big cat kills far to messy most big cats are calculated and make no mess they are sufficient and clean when killing you also wouldn’t find different body parts of the kill in different areas
they are as animals can strugle at different levels making the damage increase whilst trapped in the clutches of claws and teeth and no human would go kill farm animals and neiher could any other animal in the uk
There are 2 Big cats that have melanin colour but only 14 % are born into black melanin, & they're not Panthers. Panther is a shortened term, most ,or a lot of Excotic Cats, Scientific term is Panthera. or Pantherian. So I beg the question the only 2 Big cats that bread & offspring are melanin, so why & where are the 86 % that are born spotted. Just because 2 Leopards, or 2 Jaguar are both black means nothing, as the colour of the parents has nothing with bearing a rare Black or melanin gene But nothing to suggest a spotted Cat has ever come into the Picture. Science de bunks this black Panther. & Australia has the same problem. Ain't that ironic. A black panther roams the forest in 2 states no real evidence If their were, you wildlife would not exist.
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I once spoke to a chap years back who claimed in the late 70's he released 2 panther ( one adult one young) in Leicestershire, I won't say exactly where but I can say for sure numerous locals have been seeing these in the area until this day
Thankyou for your contribution Mr Scott. Or should we just call you Scott? Either way, thank you very much for your valuable intel 👍
I’ve seen one about 5 years ago. Fit healthy panther literally could of opened my window and touched it. It didn’t care one bit I was there
They only live for 10-15yrs?
@@Steves_fish since when was that act bought in?
@@scottforan2205 Whereabouts did you see the creature?
I feel embarrassed to say this but I was attacked by a cougar 2 years ago on my way home from the pub I managed to get free and run for my life, I got home and described the beast and my mom recognised straight away and identified her as jackie the land lady of the pub, I had a luck escape!
😂😂😂 Brilliant mate made my evening reading this.... 🫡
was waiting for this comment woo
Go back some 35+ years just outside Evesham in Worcestershire, whilst driving home, about 1am, I saw something that was slightly bigger than an Alsatian/Labrador, with yellow eyes, very dark in colour with a long tail. it ran along the middle of the road. Stopped to look back at me, then disappeared into a large orchard. I suppose I saw it for no more than 10 seconds or so.
The one notable thing about this, was the hairs on the back of my neck stood up. it was almost like a primal warning that I was not the main predator that night.
I'm not saying it was a big cat, but having had Alsatians in the past, I know it was _NOT_ a dog, a domestic cat, a fox or any other large mammal that's _normally_ found in the UK.
Did you have a tiger in your tank
@@tomasofaolain3117 Haha! Nope. Nor did I have any stains in underpants ;-))...
But I remember it as well now as though it only happened yesterday. I was in my convertible MG Midget, so I didn't hang about 8-))...
i'm from evesham, i've seen a large black animal in harvington. down a track in just the moonlight at night. probably 2009/2010. me and a few friends saw it too, walked right past us. we all gathered it was a dog at first but we all saw and long thick black tail, and it was completely silent. some partial footprints we found, but we'd walked over them when we found them again. it could have been a dog, but this would have been a big dog, and i can't find a breed that would have a long thick tail like that. or why it wouldn't have tried to interact with us after coming so close to us.
one of my friends jumped out of the way of it, and he said it looked like a cat but bigger, i saw him jump and instinctively moved with him, and saw the tail going past me and its hind legs, and my friend behind me said he saw a really big dog and its tail touched him, but didn't see its head. tail was easily 1 metre long, thick and bushy all the way to the end where it was rounded off. would have been about a meter and a bit tall. we all saw that.
@@karmah88 As you know the area, my sighting was on the road, literally just as you turn out of Badsey and heading towards the Littletons.
@@karmah88Really interesting to read of your experience in Harvington. I had relatives who lived in a quiet little road at the north side of Harvington village. I told them of my encounter with a Black Leopard in April 2000. On telling them, they revealed to me that they often saw Black Leopards from their bungalow. In fact one often slept in a large tree opposite, until the people across the road lost their nerve and had the tree felled. On one occasion a mother? with Cubs passed across their driveway. They would be heard jumping over the 6 foot fence in the night, landing with a big thud. The local gamekeeper was well aware of them. This would have been in the 1990's. Nice that they are still existing in the area.
That cat was just a big tom cat walking through the brick yard in Shropshire, had a tiny head!
I have never seen a big cat for myself but I have a friend and extremely good Witness Who just wouldn’t make things up and he tell me about 3 Years ago he was in a Field in Coalville Leicestershire and in the middle of the Field he tell me he seen 2 Lynx He just wouldn’t make it up I showed him a bobcat and a lynx and immediately Without Hesitation he said it was a lynx
I lived in Leicester for about 3 years, i have found large prints in a few places around the city's outter areas and woodlands. I can also say that from the prints ive found, Lynx's are not all that roam Leicestershire.
@@DJLKM1 Few could tell the difference between larger cat species prints (like some of the experts here they can't even identify obvious hoaxes, or probable dog). Being skilled enough to detect the differences so well would be invaluable for finding these creatures are widespread & not unusual. Proof will be simple with good trail camera information. And Labrador cats aren't credible.
Neither are many of the statements by experts in this video.
I’ve seen one seriously these things are out there
I see one in sundon quarry around the yr2000-2002.
Labrador in size pure black long tail , we thought , me and my brother it was a dog , then as we approached thinking how the hell is that dog on the hillside of the quarry
Then after about a minute walking towards it , it leaped up a cross the hillside it covered a huge distance very quick that’s when I knew it was a cat , I looked at my brother and he was as scared as me so we left right away
They are around the Lake District
My mum n dad seen one a few times, but on private land, it was way too big for a domestic cat, my mums a keen gardener and kept finding it's scat around the farmhouse gardens.
Considering where I live and I see deer at the bottom of my street, it's obvious they are out there !
1998, a simpler time.
I saw a large black cat near Tixall in Staffordshire around 15 yrs ago ( far too big to be a domestic cat. People laughed at me at the time but I know what I saw)
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They are here where I live, although for many decades denied, Canada, Manitoba, however now finally being captured on trail cameras and seen by children waiting for school busses!
Leave them alone.
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@@poontang8035 The cats
I seen two of these together on the bank of the river mersey in Manchester about 20 years ago one was drinking from the river
Yep I seen one in the Cheshire planes near where the river mersey goes into the ship canal, their defo out there,, there was also a report in the angling times not too far away 3 years later.
I can confirm that there's a female cougar, gwydyr Forrest north Wales, don't approach if you see her, as she doesn't wear underwear.
1982 - 83 ? Isle of Dogs Millwall E14.. Autumn Sunday afternoon, alone out looking for me mates, going from one disused riverfront warehouse site to the next working me way around the island looking for em.
Going from Kingsbridge onto the derelict and open site opposite Harbinger school, 1.5 metre average height bushes everywhere…
Went to the site of ‘our camp’ ( pallets n carpet, a flashing yellow road light, porn mag etc ) but no one there.
I’m one third way back across the site towards the high wall and main road behind and had a sudden and tangible overwhelming feeling of alarm ? I didn’t understand why but upped my pace, semi running.
Something caught my eye directly 90 degrees /9 o clock, it looked like the rear half a white cat paralleling me at about 40 metres…. as it walked and dissolved behind shrubbery.
That’s the image I had and the immense feeling of urgency to get to that wall.
Shit myself people, I sat on the wall for a small amount of time scanning frantically hoping to see something but never did.
I remember realising the streets were deserted and it was getting gloomy and I should just get the f….
I swear it was the size of a lion but very very blonde to white.
I too had a very similar encounter in a local wood years ago where i grew up. In the wood there was a main path which was around 10ft wide and ran the length of the woods, there was another smaller and not well trodden path that ran along the outer edge of the wood so it was around 30-40m gap between the two paths. I had walked almost to the end of the main path and decided to cross to the outer path and walk back in the reverse direction. About half way along the outer path i suddenly looked to my left, towards the main path, it was then i saw the very back end of a large jet black animal with a fairly long tail traveling in the direction i had just come from, i just pushed off home and thought no more about it. But in later years i went on to have many sightings across the UK and 3 more encounters, two of them being way too close.
I enjoyed watching this. I would love to see a big cat.
Go look in sundon quarry in Bedfordshire I’ve see one there 100%
It’s actually perfect for them
@@kdoc82 what kind? You’re very lucky
@@kdoc82 Black Panther has been sighted around Streatley and Barton Hills
chester zoo is a good place to see big cat's lol.
We should leave them alone. Be grateful when we see them.
There is a longer version of that video at 22:48, which clearly proves it is a big cat. The tractor tyre markings provide scale for it. A puma owner saw the footage and confirmed it was a female puma.
Big black panther...looking for a shrew....on the motorway. 🤣🤣🤣
I met someone in Ceredigion, who had a black panther on a chain in his scrap yard, he then realised it when the law came into place
He only realised it was a panther, when the law came in ? 😁
@@johnmudd6453 he only realised it was a panther when he released it, that was after the law came in also. Coincidence?
I’ve been fishing since I was three years old up and down Britain at night rivers canals lakes ect . It’s not if they are loose in Britain it’s how many is the question the people in our society that don’t believe it don’t realise there could be up to 50 active big cats in Britain!! Easily
I seen one while fishing in the Cheshire planes about 7 years ago, very unsettling but amazing
iv been lucky enough to see 2 of these cats, 1 black and 1 which was a creamy beige kinda colour in Northamptonshire
This subject has fascinated me since I was a kid, and over the years I've come to feel that probably 80% of sightings are genuine cases of mistaken identity. People are seeing something and they're not lying, but (unfortunately) people are terribly unreliable witnesses even when they feel certain. I would include in this category people who have seen "Kellas cats" (large hybrid ferals) and (especially in suburban areas) sightings of domestic hybrids such as savannah cats, etc.
This leaves 15% for hoaxes, liars, attention-seekers and those who want so strongly to believe that they're literally kidding themselves.
The final 5 percent have maybe seen a big cat, doubtless there are occasional escapes/releases of illegally owned animals.
With the sheer number of reports going back since the 80's and reported by various people the length of the UK, the likelyhood of them ALL being blind or otherwise mental patients is extremely low. And with each new report, that chance gets even lower. I just wish that all the footage that some people have taken didn't look like it was recorded by the hubble telescope with it's lenses removed.
They bring captive Cougars, Black Panthers and other cats to Britain for masonic lodge parties for some rituals and release them in the open to confuse some public confusion, and then take them away. Hence the cryptology continues.
The genuine cases (perhaps) of mistaken identity seem to include some of the reports in this video. The failure to get supporting evidence that should have been present in some cases suggests "genuine" could be dropped or substituted, not much compelling here.
Some is possible however, but what is undisputed is the effectiveness of trail cameras. The accessibility of likely areas the absence of good photos demonstrates at best a very
few individuals exist widely spaced apart (100's, even 1000's of kms), and mistaken identities or fabrications overwhelmingly dominate. 1 or 2 wandering lonely ones.
The possibility of large black domestic cats is very valid though. A professional hunter in another country (similar climate etc) was able to shoot a "young" one of these (11kg, not much smaller than a small leopard) and provide clear photo proof, self professed expect supported. A scientist hearing this was unkind enough (for the pantherites) to pursue recovering DNA from the specimen, and proved it was just a feral cat, super big version. Showing in the hands of someone who kills these pests regularly can be mistaken if inclined to self persuade. It was still an significant achievement to get such a specimen.
@@Steves_fish call it educated guesswork. I'm not saying those are exact percentages, but I am saying it's totally unfeasible that everyone who says they've seen a big cat is both truthful and correct. There simply isn't enough hard evidence to support that number of sightings.
People act like these are UFO sightings. I live in Santa Barbara and there is a black panther that has been loose here for years. It escaped from Michael Jackson’s Neverland. There are many photos of it (google it). The fact that Mountain Lions naturally live here make it easy for it to survive. These cats are obviously escaped from exotic pet owners.
There are more than 50,000 exotic cats kept as pets in America. There must be a thousand or two in the UK kept illegally as pets. It is more improbable that none aren’t out there.
Does anybody know where the most active area in the UK is for these sightings is currently?
@SuperCars-gi5qm Thank you.
All the laws in the world won't stop someone determined to make a lion, tiger or puma into a "pet", even though exotic cats rarely become the calm, friendly companions their humans were hoping for.
I wonder if what locals are seeing is a black panther someone tried to domesticate and then released into the "wild" when caring for it became more than they could cope with.
In Nebraska, where there are resident breeding populations of mountain lions, and transient cats can be be found nearly anywhere, well over 90% of reports to the Game and Parks Commission prove to be mistaken, or sometimes hoaxes, when investigated. I'm not saying there aren't any such wild cats in Britain, just that experience here would suggest that most "sightings" are mistaken.
For what it's worth, I used to live in a very remote location along the central Niobrara River in North Central Nebraska, in fact on an enormous nature preserve where I was director of science and stewardship. This is one of the areas with a resident mountain lion population. On half a dozen occasions I found sign (tracks, scat, kills) literally in my yard. I could go out nearly anytime and find tracks and/or scat (one scat consisted entirely of porcupine quills). Despite all this, and the fact that I walked, ATVed and drove over the whole place, I never did see one. To my mind, this also suggests most "sightings" aren't.
I agree, in america the black panther sightings are usually black dogs. I recently found out bobcats can be melanistic and they inhabit the same range as eastern mountain lions. My theory is lots of people are seeing them instead. They look very similar to black panthers too with distinct patterns and spots. Maybe the uk they’re black lynx?
porcupine quills would puncture all it internal organ so think its something differentccc
@@jesussandoval9843 no as in uk most of the sightings they see a tail which is long and a lynx doesnt have a big tail or a proper tail its a short stump
@@jesussandoval9843 theres no such thing as black lynx theyre just melanistic thats like me saying theres such thing as a black hermanns tortoise when no it would be a melanistic tortoise
@@zaccllewellyn8950 Except mountain lions can and do kill and eat porkies. As noted, I found the scat and examined contents. And yes, I'm qualified to do so. How they manage it is a mystery, that they do it is common knowledge. Lions in fact are hell on porkies.
In the area I reference above, fifty years ago barked up pondo pines were common. After the area was recolonized by lions that sight became rare.
I could provide a host of citations from the scientific literature about this, but Uboob disappears comments with external links. You can search for yourself. For a good start, search for the title "Near-Extinction of Porcupines by Mountain Lions and Consequences of Ecosystem Change in the Great Basin Desert," dating to when lions' preference for porkies was first documented.
Everything you need to know about weather these things are real is the fact of how many posh ppl released them in the 80s, they are very capable animals who can easily survive in many conditions
But they don’t seem to be breeding so wouldn’t be still alive
Very interesting documentary
I'm 42 seconds in and you lost me where it says the police are taking something seriously.....I mean, Hell yeah I fully believe we've got "Big Cats" livings in the Midlands, I'm from the West Mids and have heard of many a sighting of Big black cats around Kinver Edge, so it wouldn't surprise me if they roamed up and down the British Countryside.........
But the Police taking something seriously?? Naaa, Not on my Nelly, that's like saying the Loch Ness Monster exists, I'm not buying into that, Not in a million years 😂😂😂
I’m thinking exotic animal trade gets them there then once in a while the cat escapes or the owner releases the animal for various reasons they can’t continue to take care of them. I’m probably wrong but I have watched docs where people in Florida were in a bad situation….they loved their pet snake but it had gotten so big and hard to handle and care for they had released pet’s before in the swamps. I think now they have a designated day or days people can turn in their exotic pets without fear of being fined. Don’t know if they still do that or not but there have been some huge pythons caught down there because of the perfect conditions.
Cats are so illusive….. I moved from the country into the city and the amount of coyotes I have seen by chance (from midnight to around 4am) over the last 7 years would be hard for some to believe. YOU NEVER SEE THEM IN THE DAYTIME unless you’re outside the city. But they thrive. So, big cats I don’t think would be impossible in the UK. I’m not smart enough to say but they have been seen there for decades right. Sorry long comment but I liked the upload and thought it was very interesting. Got the rusty wheels turning. 😏
Also, don’t leopards carry their tails high and curled or “curved” when not hunting? Ok bye
So Danny followed the tracks tp a den where the cats had been living and never thought to come back and stake the den out with a camera overnight? Way to go Danny!
Every1 go look at the latest capture in Cheshire on. A ring cam last month,, not far from where I seen mine
I saw a Panther while on a train to Swindon it was so big from a distance you can't mistake the length of the tail.
Me and my father caught a wallaby out rabbiting years ago
Wallabies hunt rabbits? 😮
LOL😁
Brilliant documentary. We've got them here in Gloucestershire.
Big cats very smart animals
My Mother saw a Big Black Cat about a week ago in North Kelsey Lincolnshire.
What love to hear her sighting.. Please do tell..
@@baz_1239 My mum went to her bedroom window very early morning and saw the cat across the road walking up occupational lane which leads to open fields and countryide.She turned to my dad in bed and told him to come and look but he was too slow and missed it. She said it looked like a panther/puma with a long tail and it looked like it had a slight limp. 100% sure of what she saw and said too big to be a house cat and looked similar size to our german shepherd.
@@baz_1239 Last nights Scunthorpe Telegraph has a sighting of a big cat..Scunthorpe Not far from North Kelsey . 2 close sighting s in 2 weeks.
There is plenty of them in that area.
Thermal technology that have high resolution and range, more sightings will arise and most can video. Laser range finders are more common so the ability to scale becomes more easy to determine.
Black panther was caught on womens doorbell camera last week in Scotland.. Definitely out there
@@bigteno4597 why would a cat ring a doorbell? You Bell end!
Can I see the image/video link? That sounds really cool
It's not very clear but looks to big to big a domesticed cat.. But I'm no expert.
I have seen the video and i too conclude that it's a big cat, the fence it is next to looks around at least 3ft tall, so a healthy size comparision can be seen. Ive no idea why BBCS claimed it was just a house cat, even though the SCPA's experts confirmed it to be a big cat. Im a member of BBCS and frankly their conclusion im shocked at.
they are there and doorbell cameras arent high resolution so a normal cat couyld look bigger than it actually is, but yes some doorbell cameras can be viewed without pressing the bell as theyre classed as surveillance erquipment
really enjoyed this
WELP if these cuties live in the midlands, come to the West Midlands 🤣 I’d be happy to stay here then lol
All I can hear is Brasseye..
Um if anyone is confused im not gonna explain everything there's way to much of what's actually going on yes there are Big cat's in the UK to Australia there moslty leopards a huge population of leopards where the melanistic gene is stronger and the normal gene is recessive and mountain lions too but the leopards ether hybridize or outcompeted the Cougars to extinction in the UK which is why most of the sightings are black leopards
Have them in Australia too!
No ya big gay sandwich
The one that didn’t kill the dog was like either because it was a former pet, it was extremely lonely and happy to see a social animal or it was playing it with its meal. M
@ 7.11 - super modern computer LOL
Well here we are ten years later and nobody has been killed by a 'big cat' as predicted. That tells me something...
With the cast shown at 5:01 it's not real clear, but if it was a dog the cast would show claw imprints since a dog cannot retract them, but not so with a cat.
Some Big cats can't actually retract their claws, but the ones of interest in the video, the Leopard and Puma can.
what year was this made?
I believe it was 2001 or 2002 (Producer)
What year is this film
I think it would have been 2001-2002
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There are similar sightings in Australia as well.
Let’s hope if they are out there that nobody gets killed.
100% Big Cats Panthers, Lynx.. Dangerous to Humans yes obviously especially if cornered or haven't eaten in a long time
Wildlife crime. That Squirrel 🐿️ took my KP nuts up a oak tree
a big cats tail wouldnt be that short and its a black lab with its head tilted which makes it look the shape of a cats a a distanced photo
They didn't know if the cast was a dog or cat print? Amateurs!
And still no photos.
That's like the supposed black panters in the Northeast of the US even though Biologist insist there have never been any in North America
A black panther is a melanistic phase of a cougar, as we call them in New England.
It could be a jaguar, because jaguars used to live in North America until the 1900s, when they were hunted to extinction
@@jancyvargheese5351 only if it's a melanistic jaguar?
@@martinestrada7636 yes, a melanistic jaguar
noones gonna be killed lol ! in all the stories they've ran away and jumped over a fence or something!!
And yet, no one to date has been killed. Or injured.
YES, well done, good job, non of us logical thinkers could of ever figured that out.
I couldn’t help but notice the apparent big cat kills I can tell you for definite they are not big cat kills far to messy most big cats are calculated and make no mess they are sufficient and clean when killing you also wouldn’t find different body parts of the kill in different areas
Someones been listening to mr McGowans nonsense...
they are as animals can strugle at different levels making the damage increase whilst trapped in the clutches of claws and teeth and no human would go kill farm animals and neiher could any other animal in the uk
leopards drag parts off if there was to be multiple then they could totally rip it apart after the one makes the initial killing
Do you have actual physical evidence? Body on the slab?
you have no woods, where tf would they live. You brits are hilarious.
Big Cats = Big Shats
Nope.
There are 2 Big cats that have melanin colour but only 14 % are born into black melanin, & they're not Panthers. Panther is a shortened term, most ,or a lot of Excotic Cats, Scientific term is Panthera. or Pantherian. So I beg the question the only 2 Big cats that bread & offspring are melanin, so why & where are the 86 % that are born spotted. Just because 2 Leopards, or 2 Jaguar are both black means nothing, as the colour of the parents has nothing with bearing a rare Black or melanin gene But nothing to suggest a spotted Cat has ever come into the Picture. Science de bunks this black Panther. & Australia has the same problem. Ain't that ironic. A black panther roams the forest in 2 states no real evidence If their were, you wildlife would not exist.
Shameless rip-off & rehash of Chris Packham’s X Creatures: Big Cats in a Little Country (1998). Only redeeming feature is the new interviews.
We’re so angry about this in Swindon
@@js2749 Angry about what?
@@thislife3655 the word 'this'
@@js2749 Okay 👍🏻.
Its barbwire that cut that cow look at the straight line of the Injury and regularity of the small cuts running along the line I'd say not a cat 🙄