GRIZZLY PODCAST #1 - Big Cats in Britain w/ Jonathan McGowan
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Are Big Cats roaming our countryside? Naturalist Jonathan McGowan discusses his experience studying this nation wide phenomenon and shares his best evidence.
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As a police officer myself, here in Devon, I have investigated Big Cat sightings myself both on and off duty, as it is a subject that I am very interested in. I can tell you that there is no policy of secrecy here, and we don't have secret unmarked vans driving around the countryside collecting dead big cats! It is this sort of conspiracy lunacy that detracts from the genuine research into the possibility of there being large cats out there.
You never watched a crime drama the good cops dont know shit
Mr Armour that’s very true just look at al the pedophila that has happened with the likes of Saville.
I know Met police who had heard rumours, but no one did anything.
DarkNemesis4300 hypothetical for you.
Do you think that if a big cat got hit on the road, that they would assume it’s an escaped one?
And not tell anyone to avoid panic and allow time for investigation?
I mean who would be keeping tabs on this if it was believed to be a “one off escapee” every time?
DarkNemesis4300 there may be but you might not be aware as you not powerful enough
DarkNemesis4300 where abouts in Devon were the sightings?
I live in the SW of England and spend a lot of my free time shooting. Within the largest and most untouched wood that I shoot I have seen a lot of deep scratches in the tree bark. I always put it down to deer who are shedding velvet until the land owner asked me if I had ever noticed anything strange. He was losing a lot of sheep and when he would find a carcass it would have been fully dismembered. It got me thinking and I have since become acutely aware of the wood occasionally falling into deep, long silence, and that the deer there are particularly alert and easy to spook. It’s entirely anecdotal, and I do remain somewhat sceptical, but I think that it’s not beyond the realms of possible that I am not the apex predator in that wood. It makes my day if I get a glimpse of a goshawk, I cannot imagine the feeling of awe from coming nose to nose with a leopard!
I have seen one. The tail always made me believe my eyes. Fortunately it’s been proven with DNA evidence in Cumbria in 2024
I live in Telford, Shropshire. In 2006 local newspaper The Shropshire Star published 2 articles about Big Cat sightings in Telford. These Big Cats were sighted between Dawley, Hinkshay and Telford Town Park. I made a video on my channel reading these 2 articles and since talked to a Dawley resident who had his own sightings of Big Cats in another part of Dawley in Telford.
If he can go out every week and find a scat why not put a camera in that area?
@rY0o 1990 I wish I could agree it would be wonderful but sadly after watching this I'm convinced they aren't out there. Multiple reasons like there's no chance of stopping photos from circulating on social media so if anyone saw one dead there's a good chance we would hear about it. Highway patrol and police are humans and would likely be taking photos if they saw a big cat and even if they didn't someone passing by would take a photo. The one photo he produced was a house cat... And the army was there.. I call BS. and every single road worker is helping cover it up, that's almost impossible people talk too much.
Also the cats would most certainly be killing too many livestock, farmers would lose money so there's nothing in it for them. I would absolutely love to be wrong, I think that's the problem we just want it to be true.
@rY0o 1990 I will check that out thank you, interesting what you said about farmers I was going to ask one myself but I thought he'd probably laugh at me. I know he has to kill foxes regularly, every time a new one claimes the previous fox's territory it begins eating livestock too so he sets a trap and shoots it :( I just can't see a big cat turning down free food because it belongs to us humans. That doesn't seem to stop them in other parts of the word. In fact from what I have seen they eat more of our animals when their normal prey is scarce. Including pets.
As for the missing livestock they could have been stolen for food. Attacked by dogs even some cruel fucked up people use them as bait for fighting dogs.
I know there's no way to rule them out entirely and they are elusive creatures but still the lack of evidence is significant for me.
Good luck and I wish you all the best in your quest for the big cat!
Perfect if he knows where they're going to pop lool put a bloody camera there plus in the beginning he's on about the set of badgers he is watching with his camera why not take a picture of the puma, wouldn't that make sense
@@Daniel_Anthony Check this out: th-cam.com/video/qjCoyPSatVw/w-d-xo.html
I believe it's the documentary the other guy was talking about and the cats in those videos are definitely black leopards.
There's plenty of other evidence as well.
@@Daniel_Anthony they defo here mate, i seen a black panther/jaguar/leopard in leeds, january last year pitch black about 9pm, the tail looked about 3-4ft long it was massive, ive been a hunter since i was 6 years old from mountains of scotland to australian outback it looked about 6ft long + the tail, massive green eyes almost glowed in the dark
I saw a large puma here in the Forest of Dean about 8 years ago. Watched it for about 20 seconds before it saw me and took a massive leap into the undergrowth. Got a great look at its massive tail too. 100% know what I saw
Thanks for your comment Jake. We're currently producing more documentary-style content for this, so keep an eye out :) Thanks and please subscribe.
I've seen a big cat twice mate too in North Yorkshire once on a hunting lamp it's eyes glowed red in a filter massive eyes and the only animals that show red in filters are rabbits and big cats! Deer dogs and foxes show yellow or green under a filter...
I know a game keeper who see a black panther in South Wales on the outskirts of Cardiff on a golf woodland
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Where abouts in North Yorkshire?
@@lsmith992 Richmond catterick area Lynda
In my research I haven't heard of any leopards in London, though I believe they lived for many years in cities such as Johannesburg without it becoming common knowledge. Thanks for your comment and please subscribe :) Mike
I have had sightings of both a Puma and a black cat in Epping forest, North London. This was some years ago. 1998-99.
i also spoke with a forest warden who confirmed he had witnessed a female Puma with cubs on a regular basis in Epping. This is 12 miles from Charing X
Thanks for your comment Simon. Very interesting! Mike
I believe in india they frequent outskirts of cities, picking off stray dogs and unprotected livestock. Seen this on a david attenborough doc.
Actually there have been many big cat sightings around london and other urban areas across the UK! The bluewater shopping mall in kent for example has had puma and black leopard sightings around their car park. I clearly remember many years ago a report from a family who were returning to the car park at night from the mall, and they said they saw a black panther roaming around the car park.
The reason is that Johannesburg is a very big city, wider than London and has inaccessible rocky mountains & hills within it. It’s not a city like London, which is built up everywhere. So there are stretches that are actually wildlife parks for bucks etc & sometimes leopards traverse these while hunting, these parts are 20km wide so it’s quite possible.
I was a child of the 70s and this was such an amazing topic to me. I'm sad though that it's still up for debate! Of course they are living and breading in the UK. Well done on the programme
Very concise and well put together information. I saw a big cat deep in the country side where I grew up.
i saw what i thought was a black lab messing underneath a large hedge on a farm track near crewe , i was crawling in a truck delivering to the farm so had to stop as it was too tight on the road ahead for myself and the dog owner who i expected to appear from around the bend ahead. when i pulled on the brakes the sound alerted the animal , it looked at us crouched down ( just like a cat) and then cleared a 7 foot hedge , as it went up you could see it was no dog. its tail and shape told me what it was . i know they're out there. the fact that it was messing around under the hedge says to me it was probably looking for rats, mice voles ...... thats why theres not much evidence of them eating loads of livestock , plenty of badgers deer and rabbits for them
Thanks for your comment Floydian2311. Interesting thought about their food. We find that most of the public seem to think that they would be attacking humans if they lived among us, though there's many more preferable options for the big cats. We're currently producing more documentary-style content for this subject, so keep an eye out :) Thanks and please subscribe.
If you look at the evidence in India and other places where big cats are common, they tend to only go after humans aggressively if they have been hunted. Otherwise they live happily in the same area with little impact ... other than when sleeping outside, the adults sleep outside the children.
I have felt myself being watched by them many times in my youth and teens when I used to live in Devon, and in Charmouth, but you never see anything.
Except one time I was on the train to London, and I saw a massive black cat (or it could have been a huge mastiff, or something - I didn't see it's tail clearly - but I instantly thought black leopard) stalking along a hedgeline towards a gate, and the hedge separated the fields from allotments, and a man was digging with his back to this thing, and it would have been near him in no time...they must have been about 50 yards apart? Pretty sure the cat would have avoided him...but it was definitely hunting.@@TheBiomeProject
I saw a very large black cat, Middlebere, Dorset, it was just getting dark, but the area where I saw it had plenty of deer, foxes, badgers, woodland... Perfect environment for them to survive
Hi Tim, would love to hear more about your sighting on sighted Britain's Big Cat Phenomenon on Facebook 👍
A great in - depth interview with very knowledgeable naturalist.
I saw what I am sure was a black panther on Bodmin hunting rabbits, right next to Jamaica Inn..I was with my wife and she was scared to death...back in 2012...all the locals said it was a regular visitor and that there were a few of them killing deer and sheep and the odd dog
Not seen any large cats in countryside but believe its quite feasible!
It’s been proven with dna evidence in Cumbria 2024
They are out there 100% it will be proved in the next few years
Well its been over forty so far
It has been proven many times already. Look at the videos of them on youtube. The best i have seen to date is the one taken by the man named sandy of a huge black cat inside his garden shed!
@@naturephotography8837 could you send me a link please I’d love to see this
@@naturephotography8837 I’m sorry but that is a bloody domestic cat. I’ve owned plenty enough. They say that the window is approximately a meter in height. Well I’ve never seen a window floor level so either that’s a leopard that’s five feet tall at the shoulder, built like a racing snake and has a tiny head or that is a bloody common house cat standing on a sink or kitchen bunker peering out of the window in the caravan. That window isn’t the biggest window ever, so if it was a regular window a leopard’s head would fill the whole thing! Sorry but no, no, no. 😂
@@emmadeeba2038 Yes, they definitely exist. I saw a Black Leopard purely by chance birdwatching, and using binoculars. Without them i doubt i would have seen it. The sparkling yellow eyes were amazing, and it had certainly seen me long before i spotted it. Slightly scary but it never showed any threat, in fact it seemed quite at home in it's surroundings.
19:40 this is where I saw a big cat, parallel to the motorway on the grassy bank a muscular large black cat relaxed, at home, just stood there the size of leopard and I knew it was one, it was probably 15 years ago. This memory lingered with me for years after but until recently it was brought back again because of the DNA they found recently.
The banks of motorways are the best place to find the cats, they can't cross the road. The road is a manmade boundary of their territory.
If you want to find a cat your best will be to place traps on the outskirts, next to the motorway.
Don't bother trying to find them in the forests it's impossible. They move too much and have enough food. It's in-between forests where they're hungry so trapping them there is the best option.
Why don't more people see the cats? Because they're driving! Or on their phones bored. I was a child staring out the window.
DNA doesn't lie. A Scottish dog walker found a big cat with deformed teeth, it looked as if it was inbred or hybrid, it died in a field so it makes me think it was a hybrid due to defects and it probably had a sudden cardiac failure while hunting the flock of dead sea gulls surrounding it. Either this or it had a conflict with another cat (might explain it is missing 3 feet). There are pictures online just compare the teeth to leopards and to a dog I'll let you be the judge haha.
I have seen one myself in Essex 2014. I always believed my eyes because of the tail. I felt the exact same way as you. I feel like my eyes have been vindicated since it’s was proven in Cumbria 2024
Big cats have been around long enough and good luck to them,but on the note of public panic it's a reality but considering the vast amount of people never venture off the tarmac it's not going to bother them personally so the ''cover up'' which goes to the top is the best thing for the cats to survive..
I was friends with Nigel Brierly. Who Jonathan mentioned. :) Even helped in a channel 4 program on Big cats in Britain, and they made a mockery of it. Felt so sad when they aired the program.
Saw one up close for a good 20 seconds while it walked casually along the field side of a tree line before it stepped into the forest and was gone. We rather stupidly ran in after it but didn't see it again. It was 34 years ago in the highlands of Scotland on the edge of a very large forest but still close to property. Very large, pure black.
Fascinating subject, pity the interviewer seems barely awake
So true.....haha
@Oofy Von Wiff Looks like you were conceived of an encounter with something non human too. History repeating itself.
Cos he thinks the guys talking scat which he is but he doesn't wana sound like a dick and say he's talking scat, which he is
Probably because this bloke waffles absolute cack. No evidence whatsoever, other than what he makes up in his mind.
It seems like McGowen finds dead animals and fits big cats into the story of how they died.
The gamekeepers and others who reported sightings of what we now know as 'Kellas' cats were disbelieved and scoffed at - until a few corpses were produced. There's no mystery to this unwelcome hybrid anymore, so no further media interest. The same thing happened when a BBC film crew got footage of the herd of wallabies that roamed around the Staffs/Derbyshire border area for many years. People who had reported the wallabies before that were widely derided until cast-iron evidence of their presence was produced.
In the mid 1996 I saw a large cat with a small head and approx 1 metres long body and 1 metre tail, it crossed the road near Little Canford just after crossing the Stour the time was about 5.30 AM in mid June. I was gobsmacked and know what a deer looks like and there was no mistaking the fact that it moved in that quick lolloping style so cat like. The colour was like a Lynx. Amazing that no real proof exists to confirm or refute the existance of large cats roaming.
Fascinating encounter, your very lucky
Mine was in Ferndown in 97, probably the same one.
Keep up the good work Brother. I'm normally on world podcasts when it comes to cryptids (American, Aussie, Canadian, European, Asian cryptids), good to see an interview from home shores following in the wake of Nick Redfern.
Thanks, Chris Dodds! Appreciate the support!
@@TheBiomeProject Just as a note, how many people have ever seen a Badger in the wild? They're everywhere, how often does a camper or hiker in England come back and say they saw a Badger? Now moving onto to something innately far more elusive.
@@StennMathis That's true, which makes the whole concept plausible but hopefully some hard evidence supporting either side will come to light.
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@@TheBiomeProject th-cam.com/video/5Xx5o-dk5SE/w-d-xo.html
Plausible you say?TH-cam is literally littered with camera footage of badgers you'll see thousands of videos just like this,I know there in far more of abundance but you've got to remember a lot of these have been filmed in areas were big cats are supposed to be,really don't understand the reasoning for a lot of people's arguments,there really weak
Johnathan has a great way of communicating. Very articulate!
JAZERLIGHTS no he absolutely does not
The communication of bullshit
It's all fabrication, he has no evidence at all.
He's a liar
Why do you people sound so adamant? None of us know if the scat he has proves him right, could be bullshit but really no way to know
Me and 2 friends have seen a leopard in Essex. Walking down the edge of a road. We even called the police and they wasn't interested. This is a real thing trust me. We ran up the hill to see if we could get a picture but it had run through the long hay field. This was about 7 years ago and I totally believe this man.
Where have you seen one in Essex? I'm in maldon and my old man has seen one walking the dog.. got pics of paw prints in mud too.
This guy is a dreamer but yes, they do exist in the uk, just in very low numbers.
I have seen one in Essex Harold hill. It’s filled with deer. It was truly chilling. It was always unbelievable but the tail is what I could never explain away. After the dna evidence proving black leopards in Cumbria my eyes feel vindicated. I will never forget those eyes.
How does he know how many get run over if it’s all hushed up by the police?
He can tell that a puma and a leopard were fighting over a female. By two foot prints, this bloke is brilliant
Dude thinks he's Jim Corbett
@@Stratigic_Cheese_Reserve more like Ronnie Corbett.
@@Stratigic_Cheese_Reserve 👍🤣😂
I am a scot living in North East Fife ,there have been many sightings of Pumas in the vicinity , however all these sitings are being collated by a policeman or an ex policeman . My query is that it is common knowledge of the Pittenweem or bosuns cat with an oppositional claw , which accounts for name Bosuns cat . They are much larger than a domestic cat . From which species have these cats originated ? I enjoyed this subject and found it very interesting , much more publicity should provided generally . The counter argument is we don't want to frighten children . My argument has always been , why bring up children to live in fear ? . Why don't we teach them how to cope with life . I would be very grateful if you could answer my query on the Pittenweem/bosuns cat
There is a lynx in the Stroud area of Gloucestershire. As far as the locals are concerned it is there and everyone has either seen it themselves or knows someone who has.
How do they all know its the same animal?
Sheppey in Kent nuts farm 4 years ago saw a big black cat the size of a labrador jump over the fence looked at me and my son for a sec jump down and calmly walk between the chalet s was staying there for years not anymore still go on holiday but verey weirey now we know what we saw
I'm from the Isle of sheppey, big black cat has been sighted a few times, there was even a story that one was shot by a farmer near Leysdown. Strange thing is the experience that got me interested in this happened to me while on holiday in Devon.
@@chipsthedog1 thanks for replying we know what we saw thanks for pointing this out ☘️☘️☘️
When was this, please?
@@chipsthedog1 what did you see in Devon? Puma? Black leopard?
I was stalked by one through the mountain tops of the Swansea Valleys in Wales.
It’s common knowledge that they exist in the Afan valley and have attacked people.
Have you any reported stories or personally heard of any ?
Where are the reports of these alledged attacks you speak about?
A pleasure to observe Linx here in Southern Spain. Not common in most areas.
Very interesting. I've just watched a TreeDeep Outdoors video on this same subject. Great podcast.
Reminds me of a fishing session i had back in the late 80s early 90s. I was pike fishing and i sat on my unhooking mat and made up 3 or 4 rigs..used to do that just to keep a stock of them. Any way i did that and then sat on my chair to put kettle on. Within a minute this snake came out from the reeds on my right, slithered across the mat into the reeds on my left..and then into the water.
This thing was not a grass snake nor was it an adder, i've seen enough of them over the years. This was longer and thicker with mostly purple and yellow colours. It looked very much like a viper of some kind. Pretty pleased i decided to put the kettle on at that point...Whether this thing would have survived winter or not i don't know. We had proper winters then,ponds freezing and so on.
ian richardson defo a good cup of tea
Now that's another thing,i used to like tea years ago, i tried all kinds..didn't like that Earl Grey though. And i drank coffee. But probably 30 years ago i just went right off tea altogether, just do not like the stuff any more. Funny that...Mind you i ain't a fan of that costa n starbucks stuff either..like frickin mud.. And it ain't called costa for nowt either...
ian richardson me and the missis call it costalot and yeh it is like mud I’m a coffee drinker too tea just isn’t the same
Yup..let's face it a coffee at Maccy Ds is what..a quid. And you get more, and if you collect the litlle stickers you end up with a free one.. Mind you i'm not so keen on kfc coffee..often makes me feel sicky..don't know why. I can get a mug in me local park for 90p and sit in the sunshine and watch the ducks frolickin on the pond..don't get that at costa packet do ya. As for tea, whenever anyone runs out of coffee and they say..i can do you a tea..I politely decline. On top of that the odd time someone gives me tea by mistake it smells funny when it has full fat milk in it...tastes even worse when i haven't realised it's tea...
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Very informative, thank you. Look, I am far from having a downer on big cats, but I think people are right to be concerned. My mother in law lived in Nairobi in the 1960s and in those days the National Park was not properly divided from the city. One day she wondered into an area where the wildlife was more prevalent and came face to face with a leopard. She knew not to run and of the encounter she said it was as though the leopard escorted her back to town where it was safer and only left her side once this result had been achieved. A lovely story, but I have to ask myself what if, in the UK, where we know little of these animals, if such a creature encountered a child or adult who ran. We know tigers, on a full stomach, can stalk and kill their keepers. Generally I think the risks are low, but this is because what I have described hasn't happened yet. In my neck of the woods we had the Fenland Tiger, 30 years ago. Judging from the numbers of deer in the countryside we need these cats. I saw what looked like a cougar in the fields between March and Doddington. Given how efficient cats are as predators, I am prompted to wonder how dangerous are the more recent larger domestic breeds. We do need discussion, guidelines and legislation to protect both these cats and the public. These creatures have not engaged in commonplace slaughter of us, so we shouldn't them. In fact I understand cats that kill people are shunned in the wild by other cats as there is a tacit understanding in the animal kingdom that killing people brings trouble.
My brother in-law works nights in Scotland on road maintenance and gritters snow plows and has seen many dead on the roads
Thanks for your comment TIM Derham , did they take any photos?
@@TheBiomeProject Lol
Why has he never taken a photo of one and gotten a nice payday selling the photo along with his now believable story of seeing many more in the past then?
@ 14:46 he is spot on about that. A couple years ago there was an interview with a photographer down in Florida. He said that for a couple years he tried to photograph a cougar, but never saw one. His last camera was by a highway, so he picked up that final one and headed off to look at the pictures. These cameras take a picture every time there is movement, so he got a picture of himself when dismounting the camera but saw something surprising afterward when the picture was uploaded. A cougar walking across the grass several feet behind him.
Well here in Hampshire and Hayling island in particular a big cat was run over by a car and the cat was identified as an African Swamp cat and the stuffed creature is on show in Havant museum. back in the 80's some people claimed that there were more living on Hayling golf course. However no more have been reported that I am aware of.
African swamp cat isn’t classed as a big cat.
Very brief mention of the soft toy tiger story. My work was involved in dealing with this so I overheard everything live as it happened and it was fantastic.
This took place in Scotland and the photos and story have been shared via online news articles.
Big Jet black panther with orange eyes spotted twice around Solihull/Birmingham Airport, they are out there .
I saw one and I’ll never forget those eyes. Chilling till this day.
To get a picture of a big cat you need to catch them off guard because they leave sharpish I saw one in berkhampstead
I lived in malton North Yorkshire and I saw a black leopard walk straight across the car park about 1:am I was having a piss outside of my friends moto home which he parked up in car park near the river we had been for drink and decided to crash in the van I stepped outside for a jimmy riddle and there it was strolling across the car park I nearly pissed my pants with fear but it never even looked at me or paid any attention my way then it disappeared into the bushes and that was that ,I swear on my sons life I know what I saw definitely not a dog or a house cat
David Hunt I’m from Hull mate, my mother and grandmother used to work at Ennerdale Leisure Centre, they went to work one day in 2003 and there was this football pitch out the back of the centre. As they parked up, they glanced over and in the corner of my mothers eye was this Leopard, and she said she locked eyes with it and the animal just got up and slinked off with the typical shoulder and muscle movements, they both still swear on their lives to this day.
Lots of sightings here in the south wales valleys. Quite a few around here in the afan valley alone . From an ocelot to a dark large cat possibly puma .
lords of afan Awesome mate! Do you reckon there’s any big cats located in Carmarthenshire? I know there’s been sightings in Pembrokshire. It would be lovely to see these beauties local to me.
lords of afan true that same in Swansea valley mate!
Few times I’ve been around both valleys and been followed by something that matched my steps
co antrim ni has one or 2 , ive seen one about 12 to 13 years ago , whispers around the village was a farmer managed to shoot it , there were multiple sightings
The beast of ballybogey, someone admitted to releasing 2 and one was killing calves and sheep
'cages weren't secure in those days' 200 years ago we had all sorts of locking mechanisms that's absolute balderdash!
Your right, i study ancient history and there was very secure locks in 2000bc so 4000 years ago. So 3800 years of developing locks by 200 years ago haha
Hi Gary.
They are in lincolnshire for sure. i live here and know a hunter who seen one . its so remote no one would see them.
It is hard to believe that sustainable populations of ANY big cats exist in Britain, several leopards, pumas etc are possible......
Some people don't find it hard to believe.
What they do find hard is producing evidence.
Please visit Margam Park nr Port Talbot many sighting there !!!!!
Love this topic really interesting I do think there out there have spent slots of time hunting at night and can tell any animal we have here in the uk from a good distance but one night walking down the tram lines in a field of standing wheat was all I can describe it as a very large cat very dark in colour and it’s eyes shone back bright yellow I soon walked back too my truck didn’t recognise that animal at all was far too big for a wild cat and was defo a cat the way it moved
Where was your sighting? Fascinating encounter
Pretty mind-blowing stuff... definitely lots of reports of black panthers in Australia.. what's the video footage lots of Eyewitness reports.. I'm hoping one day to see one
Iv been beach fishing in Dorset at night for years, see foxes walking around us all the time but one night I turned to my left and there were a set of eyes watching us from around 100yds away,eyes were a lot wider apart than a fox and a different colour and it didn’t move an inch!!we turned our head torches off,my mate throw a pebble n it turned and ran!it was HUGE!100% a cat
Thanks for your comment. We're researching further into this. Can you tell me where and when you saw this? Thanks again and please subscribe :) Mike
Grizzly Bournemouth hello mike,it was eype beach next to west bay harbour, as you may know it’s quite a remote part of the Coast! as you walk down the wooden steps onto the beach there is a little stream running down and that was there where it was stood! We were probably hundred yards down the beach right of the steps and i’d say it was around early November last year! It’s always played on my mind because it was not a fox!!
Thanks for this T L B. We may be producing a documentary on this subject so your information is helpful. Mike
Grizzly Bournemouth No problem,just thought I’d mention it and I’d like to see the documentary when it’s finished.like I say it wasn’t a fox as iv seen so many!!
Hi@@tlb3855, would you at all be interested in talking us through your sighting on camera? We're currently putting together a short documentary on this topic and would love to interview you. We can offer a small fee. Please email me at mike@grizzly.co.uk or call me on 07974 831159. Thanks
Seen black leopard once ran across the road nearly run over it.crow valley area.s.wales
I had my own unnerving experience very early one morning in Cobham Surrey along a Bridle path which I had walked for years My husband said he smelt a lion smell along this path few years before I laughed at the time I was taking my dog for walk There was a very low lying mist very still April early about 5 30 I have been brought up with Dogs all my life so I know by there reactions when something is seriously wrong by there behaviour It was 1984 I was really enjoying my walk my dog was perfectly alright until we reached a bend in the path ahead where there is a Private estate called Inklingham road I crossed the road which is Not used hardly at all by cars or people being private I had crossed the road I thought my dog was right behind me when I turned round My dog had not crossed the road his nose was ups in the air and smelling excessively This I knew was not normal especially as he was shaking in fear he kept looking at me whimpering and looking at me then back the way we came I called him There was no way he was going to come to me I Looked around The mist was quite thick I carried on few steps I turned round My dog had run back I decided to run back as well I knew my dog had tried to warn me Even safely back home my dog was still shaking and checking the door The Group Bee Gs said they had seen a puma early one morning this estate was only 3 miles away from where we were There was also lots of domestic cats going missing over a week in Cobham
Who knows? Wouldnt dismiss it out of hand.
I have seen a black leopard. But i also smelt a big cat once on a separate occasion next to a patch of woodland along the thames river in the windsor area. A very pungent odour which i recognized immediately as i had smelt it in zoos at the big cat enclosures. The cats release that chemical with their urine when they are marking territory.
Once you know that smell its unmistakable ,,The other thing about that early morning was I didn't look upon the trees
I have to also say I have since found out about another creature that roams our countryside ,You may find this hard to believe But it's real its fact and you wont find anyone talking about it ,Its been known for centuries in this country They originated from an Island off India , Alexander the Great wrote about them as did Marco polo Explorer , There have been sightings in Essex ,Kent , Wiltshire , Devon Dartmoore , Cornwall Bodmin Moore ,Yorkshire, Scotland . Check out Vic cundiff Dogman Radio You tube people in England go to Vic cundiff with there encounters .
It is worth checking the trees for both Black Leopards and Pumas. They spend a great deal of time in trees. Not always easy when they are in leaf, but they are such agile climbers. Relations of mine used to see Leopards in a tree opposite their bungalow, around 70 yards away, sleeping during the day. Unfortunately the occupants of the nearest property had it felled because they feared for their child.
I have had two puma kills on my farm and too many lamb kills by badgers. Glad the badgers have at least one predator though I am not sure the puma kill technique of grabbing the jaw and jerking the head back to achieve a broken neck would be that easy to do on a badger.
What part of the county are you in Wendy?
@@baz_1239 La La Land
A Jungle cat was run over and Killed on Hayling Island in 1988. Its stuffed body can be seen in Havant museum.
But have they survived until today they were there at one point 70s to 80s
I respect the stories of those who have seen those big cats
But as someone who grew up in Zimbabwe around Kariba area and with an interest in hunting i just can't see or imagine an African lion living a surviving in the UK. Lions aren't shy like the other wild cats like leopards. They don't hide from humans unless to pounce on you. They would have been seen more readily not just fleeting appearances of 30 seconds and so on 😢
You chased a puma, across a field? Seriously? 🤔
You can,t tell me they are not here,i,ve seen one and other people sighted it in our area over a period of month,s as well, hard for some to believe, but THEY ARE HERE ALRIGHT!
i have seen twice on my walks in Worcestershire
What did you see?
Worcestershire is a county with lots of sightings over a great many years.
Tell the farmers that dogs are killing their sheep! And eating them!! There are filmed evidence of big cats on farmlands in England and Scotland!!
@Ron yeah but they dont eat their raw internal organs do they? lol
@Ron and leave cat lick marks on the fur
To many rock burns too!!😂😂😂
Did he say pumas and leopards don’t eat people 😅😅😅
I saw one once when i was going with my mate to his shoot.It ran straight across the road right in front of us.
Where was this?
@@baz_1239 Shifnal near Telford Shropshire. We were on the way to a farm he had permission to shoot on ,sorry can't remember the farms name. I will never forget seeing it .It was definately a big cat. It ran right across the lane we were driving along about 20 yards in front of us, we were in a range rover so we both had a clear view of it.
@@simonbradburn2375 Thanks Simon, you are very lucky to have seen one, fascinating encounter 👍
@@baz_1239 Thank you .Most people think you make it up, but I know what I saw.
@@simonbradburn2375 A great sighting Simon. Was it Black or brown in colour?.
Inbreeding does not cause a cat's claws to extend out like a dogs. Thos are dog tracks he's trying to pass off as a big cat.
This guy seems to be a fantasist. He wants to believe in them so much. No sufficient evidence has been produced. Of course people want to see genuine photos or video footage as proof. Holding up a bag claiming it’s big cat scat isn’t going to make the public agree they are out there. If there are hundreds living in the wild you should be able to locate a few of them. Shame on those people who actually released some in the past. That was bloody reckless behaviour.
It isn’t a big cat but last year in Wiltshire a kangaroo was spotted and a picture taken and posted on the local village Facebook page.
A kangaroo? Think u mean a wallaby. They are common in parts of the country.
These cats are incredibly good at staying hidden. When living in Gambia I used to go hunting ever day and it took me 2 years to see one and that was just a bit of luck I see movement at the top of a tree couldn't even see what it was so decided to just take a lucky shot . I never even knew these animals lived in this part of Africa until this day . For that reason I believe it is possible for them to be in the uk
Where I live in the USA the Mountain Lion population is pretty high and yet they are rarely ever seen. They generally hide from humans, so unless you are hunting, or something that has you hiding and stealthily moving about, you will likely never see one as they spot you first and hide. I have also never seen one that has become road kill. So if there are big cats in the UK it's quite possible that only a few people would ever see one. Without them being hunted, or the occasional one getting in someone's garage the average person here would not know they existed here either.
@@davidcoen5547 I was born and lived in the UK for most of my life, I grew up with the "legends" like the Beast of Bodmin etc. While Britain is heavily populated there are still open areas with a lot of farmland, forests and moors etc. However with so many people around its hard to imagine such animals would not be seen clearly and in the age of the cell phone have been definitively photographed by now. However, I own some land in the mountains of Utah, where based on evidence from trail cameras that are set up around various cabins etc. in the area there are a large number of cougars, yet in all the time spent there I have only seen a couple at distance in the dark where I would have no way to prove they were there if that were a topic of debate. I've never seen one of the black bears either that are also apparently common. So such animals can be incredibly elusive and hide from humans in the normal course of events.
It's entirely possible.
@@fiveowaf454Fair enough. But for a African lion I would say it's impossible for one or many to live in the UK without being properly filmed. Lions don' hide from humans except when to attack you. Leopards always hide from people though but not lions
I just saw a post I thought big cat straight away.
In the Mirror newspaper
The 55-year-old woman had a problem with her car and called a breakdown service, before she decided to walk across a field in Monkton, AyrshireMissing woman found dead in Ayrshire field after body mauled by wildlife
They reckon a fox but don't say how she died walking though a field .
She may have spotted a wild cat and thought she would take a closer look ?
As she phoned by the breakdown service they got there she was gone .
glenveagh national park Ireland might be of interest just saying. I've spent a good few hours fishing the lakes around the area.
Liking the chnanle can't wait to watch h more cheers lad for letting me know
So leopards are basically pimps with 4 legs
We also have reports about big cats in Germany ... they appear and disappear again ... kind of creepy ... in 2001 they were at loch ness ... what nessie says about it? 🖖👽
Lynxes have been caught on trail cams in Scotland, probably indigenous.
I think if there are as many as this guy is trying to say then surely a gamekeeper, farmer would have come across one and shot it by now. Fox hunts would have come across one for sure, our country is very small, tiny compared to places like Africa but they're easily found and filmed there. Classrooms of kids and teachers have seen them according to this guy but in a country where everyone has a camera 99% of the time his stories can't be proved, the guys obsessed with something that doesn't exist.
And he still gets given loads of airtime by channels like this,tells you all you need to know about this topic when Jonathan McGowan is seen as the go-to expert.
They interviewed the teacher from the school. I saw the video. The children saw it too and they then shut the school for the day. Mass delusions? Maybe? If it is true then these creatures can navigate countryside and small towns and near cities. My only doubt would be why even if they are rare I would have expected one to gave been hit by a vehicle and found.
@@marccas10 the school you are taking about is in hoddesdon Hertfordshire, it was a lynx seen by children and a teacher
@@marccas10 They have been hit by cars and have caused considerable damage to vehicles. In a few cases killed, but swiftly removed by the authorities and recorded as 'dogs' so people are not alarmed.
It's painful. These people who see things repeatedly never seem to get pictures. Tall tales.
funny thing is, if u actually saw something amazing that can dissapear in a flash.. the last thing you think of is get a picture...i have seen several crazy things in my life what people wouldnt believe from the mountains of scotland to australian outback. i have no pictures of them but i have it in my mind like a HD video and will never forget, my family knows because i mention them every few months when they pop in my head and everytime i think fuck i was lucky to be there. thinking back if i took a picture (which probably would of been bad quality and been called fake if i showed people anyway) the memories wouldnt be as good i would wish i just watched it properly and left the camera alone lol
@@daleHarrison93 You know, you're right. People do see things for a fleeting second or two, there really isn't room in their minds at that moment to raise a camera and get a good shot. AND, there are people who've had more than one sighting like this, fair enough. AND THEN there is McGowan. Who's claimed enough multiple sightings that he can make claims of their natural history in the UK. Thousands. He's claimed to see mothers with cubs. He's found a dead cat, )Purportedly), on the side of the road and yet ALLWE HAVE FROM HIM is one bad photo of a mutilated head of said cat and NOT ONE PHOTO of the thousands he claims exist. He is a story teller and every time someone sticks a microphone and camera in his face his tales grow more lavish. We have the same thing here in the USA with bigfoot. The tens of thousands of fleeting sightings. Enough to make one pause. And then we have those who have made an entire Natural History profile of them, mating seasons, migrations, feeding routines, reproductive strategies,,,,and yet,,,NOT ONE single photo from these people. We have people who say they've shown up in their camps for multiple nights and no photos. They've attacked vehicles, ravaged homesteads, no photos.
McGowan and his ilk do more to discredit these topics than anyone else. He's a loon.
Where’s the evidence of these attacks?
The Scottish Highlands Tiger (wild cats) are still there they recoken approximately 50 of them .they can be appox 50kg .So it is totally possible that they have been breeding with the big cats set free due to the laws that came in . there is most definitely big cats in the UK.
Where I now live in the US, I am a couple of hundred yards from a hillside where trail cams have shown cougars to regularly frequent and also black bear. However in the 15 years I've lived here, I've never seen one there. You also have to consider such animals are most active during the time humans are in bed, or inside watching TV. I own some land in the mountains further south of me where there's a huge population of wildlife, and again from trail cams plenty of cougars, but in 12 years I've only seen a couple after dark when camping and then at a distance where you could not have got a definitive identification, or picture if you'd had to prove it. They truly are very elusive and generally do not come near humans. This is with a large population, if there was just one, or two then your chances of seeing one would be remote. I spend a lot of time outdoors and in really remote places, but still never see them. We occasionally have incidents where one has got in someone's garage, or similar, but again this is with a relatively large population. However, despite this I find it hard to believe not one person has had an encounter and managed to get a proper picture of one by now. At some point someone has to be in the right place at the right time to do so.
Call it fantasy if you want but fair play for giving the guy a platform to speak
This guy is chatting absolute waffle
"Dozens of schools see them every year and it being covered up", really? Get real.
Is there some secret ministry that works tirelessly to cover up such sightings? Spending loads of money to ridicule sightings, spreading misinformation, hiding evidence?
Do they have a van? Or do they have to use their own transport? Fun to think about. A load of bollocks though, what’s the point? Why bother to go to the effort? It’s ridiculous.
My camera wasn't good enough, there were cyclists, there was a tank, I suddenly got an urgent call from Elton John.... 😂
Puma are incredibly adaptable, but probably rats are more so. Cats will eat anything from a mouse, to a moose.
He sounded quite believable till he said they get run over all the time and it gets covered up, like no one would take a picture or something before the police got there and be on Facebook like ‘what the fucks this ive just hit?!?’
Now he’s on about these pictures I think he’s a frigging fruit loop
I love how he finally finds a 9ft dead body but sadly doesn’t have the right lens and a tank comes so no photo even though indisputable proof is right in front of him!!
Or
Is it?
On his website he claims to have been visited by aliens so these claims are pretty tame to be honest lol
He says he saw a live puma, puma's don't have bushy tails, plus he had a camera where's the photos if he has apparently seen them on more than one occasion seen cubs surely where's the prof
My parents once saw a puma just walking into the hills and dales from a cliff top when we were holidaying in a place called Porth which is on the outskirts of Newquay, Cornwall. They saw it from the beach carpark as they were sitting in the car. Thing is, they had a video camera but they were so in shock and disbelief that they forgot to film and by the time they realised they could've filmed (they went to pick up the camera and start filming) the big cat was gone of sight. What I am trying to say is that shock can completely take over your mind and and sometimes you cannot think rationally until it's too late. You're completely right on mountain lions not having a bushy tail; this guy probably saw a lynx of some sort.
@@sammyboy13ify Ah yes, the 'shock and disbelief' reason. Over the decades, both before and after camera phones came to prominence, the reason is always 'shock and disbelief' that prevents people from capturing evidence. I'm not trying to dispute what your parents saw, but the excuse has worn well thin.
@@jonnyjobes3621 it's human nature to just 'freeze' when you're in shock though and it's a very natural reaction. As I said, by the time my parents were about to film the cat was gone.
Pumas do have thick tails
I cannot find that website online
1:13 "I was so stoned" .... so that makes the situation veryy credible then hahaha
"Stunned".
I had a big cat kill where I worked. It was a roe buck and half was eaten in the first night. Although black leopards were seen previously in the area it seemed likely that this was a puma that was seen by a number of people around the area. The whole thing was hushed up to avoid alarming the public.
ian morrison exactly who the hell is going to going walking without a dog with these about.
It would cause a huge panic
The Awillz I'm not aware of any attacks on humans but leopards in particular are very fond of a dog for dinner. The whole thing with leopards is their ability to be invisible despite being present even in urban situations in India and Africa for example. When I examined the roe kill there was only one place nearby where the cat could be lying up and I was too scared to go look! By then it had already moved two miles up the road where the police were called to the sighting.
ian morrison I’ve been stalked by one through the Swansea valley and seen whole sheep skeletons in small breaks in the managed fir trees (literally have to take a torch in there and crawl).
A woman in the Afan valley claimed to have been attacked by one last year.
Hi Ian, where was your sighting?
@@baz_1239 Fife Scotland.
1 question if the guy can go and find the scat, why not set up a camera trap?
Thanks for your question. Whilst I can't see any examples on his website, I know John uses a number of trigger cameras in his research. In my opinion, none of the photos are 'smoking gun' evidence. You can see whiskers or a faint outline, but I nothing too incriminating. Please subscribe for more videos :)
Shizzleberry they probably smell him leopards can smell from miles
Jonathon has a rather vivid imagination,this is the same man who had alien visitations in his bedroom when he was a small child and has seen countless flying saucers according to his website.
Is that true? I really don't believe what he says about cats and how he's watched cubs, yet no clear evidence.
@@mattgosling2657Its certainly true Matt,he had visitations from aliens and sees UFO on a regular basis apparently,scroll down and read about the aliens visiting him at the age of 20 after he burnt a bible,take anything he says about big cats in the UK with a large pinch of salt,maybe a ton or so. www.thenaturalstuff.co.uk/extra/my-philosophy/
@@Chiptsaorocks Yeah mate I started off reading from the top but ran out of patience, he's seen over 120 ufo's and been visited by aliens in his Bournemouth bedroom. The guys a fruit and nut for sure, why would anyone believe his stories about big cats when he's been serious about seeing all these ufo's. Seems like he's got the mentality of a little kid or enjoys having people listen to him, I dunno he's a strange man for sure.
@@mattgosling2657 all these big cat groups are like cults,there such a weird breed and they are absolutely NOT experts in big cats,a real naturalist would tear them to shreds.
To suggest a breeding population of leopards etc have existed undetected in Britain for fifty years is absolute lunacy and on a par with Bigfoot
@@rawdog314 I know mate, this guy is crazy. I think he's been telling all these lies for so long that he's started to believe his own bullshit, some of the stuff he says is madness, talks about a whole primary school, kids and teachers watching a big cat in the school grounds but no photos and nothing on the news about it. I don't know why anyone bothers to waste their time talking to this fool.
Errrrm....in the times of social media it is a wonder that "all those road kill big cat bodies" aren´t reported......
@@jamesdalgish9442 there are no words fro your stupidity
Where I live in the USA there are populations of Mountain Lions that are controlled by hunting often using hounds to find them and tree them before they are shot and yet I've never seen one road kill example or heard of anyone who has hit one, yet deer and other animals are hit regularly.
@@fiveowaf454 that's a good point mate but as you point out there is other evidence of there presence and lots of it,Britain is a much smaller place and some of the "big cat" hotspots are little more than four miles wide surrounded by towns and villages,there is a wealth of knowledge and evidence of mountain lions in the USA because ...well they are present...not so the case in Britain.
@@rawdog314 I agree in terms of you would expect to see some solid evidence of them over many years even with a small population, while most people have never seen one where I live, you still get the odd one that gets in someone's garage, or attacks their pets in the backyard and the Police and Wildlife authorities are called out to deal with them, so their presence is confirmed fairly often. Still if they existed in very small numbers in the UK, I would not expect them to appear as road kill, based on what I've witnessed here, they must be good at avoiding vehicles.
@@fiveowaf454 exactly!i mean the more you break it down and look about it logically it's impossible on an island like Britain that leopards have been breeding/hunting for nearly fifty years without one confirmed case.ive been viewing a lot of the mountain lion encounters in the States there are loads of amazing videos o here even but in England it's always a blurry video from five hundred yards filmed off a spud.where abouts in the states are you?
I absolutely agree that escaped/illegally kept exotic animals have been released in Britain. Harrods and other upmarket stores in the UK have never had large cats for sale. Interesting interview none the less.
The biggest problem we have now is so called animal right minds that we now have wild pigs, mink, and other non indigenous animals in the UK.
I work in environmental conservation and I find this interesting. There is no scientific evidence that large cats breed and have established a population in this country.
Wrong on two counts. Large cats were sold by department stores in the 60's and early 70's.
Secondly, they do breed successfully and cubs have been seen many times.
@@edwardtreadwell3859 thanks for the information, I didn't know this 👍
Hi Grizzly Bournemouth and Jonathan McGowan, I truly admire and love this video! But I have few questions for you?
1. If big cats really do breed and living in Great Britain, why we don't see them very often? Are they nocturnal? Or diurnal?
2. Have there been other reported sightings of different big cats like lions, tigers, jaguars, cheetahs, snow leopards, clouded leopards, ocelots, bobcats or servals etc?
3. How did these big cats got here in Britain? Where they escaped or released pets? They were accidentally released by zoos or circuses? Or are they surviving descedants who once live in Britain in the prehistoric Ice Age fauna? Or could it be a new big cat species living in Britain?
And thanks for answering my questions and liking my comment. Thank you.
Dear Pap Pap, Thanks for your comment. I have frequently heard John describe these animals by their Latin name, however for the purposes of the podcast we generally try to strip jargon to help it digest easily. Would you consider involving yourself in a video debate on this topic? Thanks and please subscribe :) Mike
Go look at my channel and the video I just uploaded from two nights ago. I live in Kent, near Tunbridge wells. It undeniably a big cat.. Wouldn't you agree?? Go check NY channel and you tell me lol
@@pappap3788 you're a complete idiot.
@@pappap3788 I can't be bothered to waste my time on your pea brain. So what if you're a Zoologist.. That doesn't mean people care what you say 😂 it also doesn't mean you're right about anything lol so what if you don't believe in something.. Don't try turns others to your single track focused mind.. Stand out there on your own if that's what you truly believe in.. Why waste your time on the Internet trying so hard to get people to think this is utter Bs.
That's child like behavior. Calling someone a idiot when they're one is 👍👌👅👏
This is what I mean..don't be so rude and up your own arse then buddy, we in the normal world call you snobby arseholes. Just because you're a Zoologist doesn't mean you can sit here and call this man a lair and say that he has never seen big cats in the uk through his eyes.. Maybe think about your choice in words when you comment on someone else's views or work..
Is that even possible a domestic cat hybrid with a Puma because of the size difference. The Native wild cat is 50% bigger then a domestic cat i know the they breed with domestic cats.
The wild boars need controlling in our forrests!! Wild boar are a danger to people who walk through the forrests!! The west county is full of wild boars!!
There probably are a 35:50 of big cats in the UK but this guy is mental.
This guy is a total fantasist 😂
Puma and leopard are from different continents so wouldn't naturally meet. So are they interbreeding in this country? Does anyone know?
And of course, would they be sterile like many hybrids, or fertile?
Lynda Smith ...puma are black leopard,
@@dougiemontana4815 no pather are black leopard. Puma are mountain lion.
Probably not but who knows? Different cat species do interbreed, with no natural mate around. Its a fact.
@@dougiemontana4815 maybe in the US, but in the uk, a panther is a black leopard.
I'm sure many of you believe in God, without footprints, photos, or any evidence at all really ....
Whats wrong with having faith in stuff. Each to their own i say.
The moment someone says the government is keeping the wildlife “under wraps”, you know they’re talking nonsense.
Really? What makes you know that?
The moment they admit that there are big cats running free in this country is the moment that there will be a massive outcry to have them dealt with. Since they are EVERYWHERE, it would be extremely costly and maybe impossible as these animals are expert at hiding away.
@Steve Whiting id love to see your findings
@Steve Whiting sure you do
So in 35 years of seeing these big cats he’s never taken a photo??🤔🤔🤔
I'm not saying this guy's telling the truth, but I live in an area of the United States with badger, bear, coyotes, mountain lion, etc.
I've seen mountain lion before. Not many times, but a couple.
None of the times that I've seen them have I had enough time to 1) recognize what I was seeing, then 2) reach for my phone or a camera, and 3) take a successful picture.
Each time I only saw them because they didn't know I was there or I surprised them. Like resting on a hike in an elevated rocky area quietly for a time, and seeing one slink through bushes, or once I was inside at night, was going outside for a smoke and turned the back flood light on and surprised one in the backyard, things like that. I decided I could live without the smoke.
I don't know how the cat species he's describing here act, but mountain lion really don't like humans. It's rare to see them at all, and I've never seen one for more than 1 to 3 seconds. I'd have to walk around with a camera held to my face, and do it for years, before I'd successfully get a photo.
Yeh but they get run over sometimes two at a time, he makes it out like they’re getting hit everyday the whopper
Have to agree! If he is that "keen" on supporting the fact that there are Big Cats in the UK then why in his 35 years of "watching Big Cats" then how come he does not have any photographic proof? You would have thought that someone so keen would have taken a few photos!
Got chased by one in Wales about 15 years ago. It was sitting on the side of the road under a street lamp. Had nightmares ever since.
Fuck that mate. Would you care to go into more detail?
Outrun a leopard did ye mate?
tranmerebhoy ye mate
I saw one in Essex. Chilling till this day.