I kind of like the idea of an annual addendum video. It might save the trouble of "I know Drach made revised comments on such-and-such topic in one of the Drydocks, but I cannot remember which one. I guess I will have to rewatch all of them."
As an ex smoker (started in 1983, quit in 2012) I have to say I disagree with you. But only when it comes to pubs and bars, I really miss the old smell of them.
@@spudgunn8695 I certainly don't miss how you'd continue to smell like that until you had washed your hair and all of your clothes even if you didn't smoke yourself.
Thank you for answering my question Drach 36:02. The 16"/50 Mark 2 had a Rifling Length of 676.0in while the Mark 7 had 682.86in or about 1% longer. Could the 1% longer Rifling overcome the difference 40 pounds or about 6% more powder could have? Very interesting! Thanks for looking into it! :)
On the addendum question, why not make them throughout the year and somehow make them available to your patrons, then once or twice a year, combine them and do a general release aka a dry dock
Regarding the Rodney torpedo question - that might pair well with what you have already eased about your research into if Bismarck was actually scuttled at all, or if that's just a postwar narrative to save face
FWIW, RANGER was actually supposed to get a major rebuild by order of FADM King which would have brought her much closer to being able to survive combat in the Pacific, and she certainly would have had a much upgraded torpedo protection system.
@williestyle35 I made a comment about a year ago, if how it was a difference of hearing the pupper drach instead of Mrs Drach typing? and a week later we had visual proof of baby Drach? so I jade another pist with an appoligyvfor my mistake? So yes indeed!
Maybe, but for those of us who love the channel & appreciate the content, we just didn't care what his actual name is. Because it simply doesn't matter in the slightest if his name were Bob, Alex, or Mr. Myparceltape. As long as the videos are informative & of high quality as these, then I'll respect their privacy & not even do a Google search. For if he wanted us to know, he would have it posted on the channel home page. Would his videos be any better if his name was Pellion or Parceltape? I don't think so. A silly name is not going to do anything positive for you, but some may poke fun at you for it though... Parceltape?!?? 🤨
Question for next drydock since the pinned comment isn’t up yet, if the KGVs had been built with 9 15 inch 45s how much would have to be sacrificed to keep them all or how much over the weight limits would the class have to go to remain balanced designs? Would they be forced to drop guns like the actual KGVs or would Britain be more likely to realize the treaty system is already dead and be willing to exceed the treaty limits anyways .
In the UK at least, there were three major brands of cigarettes aimed at sailors. Wills' Capstan Full Strength. Player's Navy Cut which featured a picture of a sailor on the packet inside a life ring, similar to Drach's picture. Senior Service, with an anchor on the packet. They were all available in little tins to keep them dry at sea. (Similar to the little tins 'Cafe' style miniature cigars come in. They were available marked up as NAAFI stores aboard ship. All were 'full strength' unfiltered cigarettes. My dad's favourite was Senior Service. They were available from NAAFI stores aboard ship. James Bond smokes Senior Service cigarettes in the Goldfinger, Thunderball, The Spy Who Loved Me, and The Man with the Golden Gun books. By the time I was in the navy in the 80s they were out of favour compared to filter brands.
On the topic of Medium Cruisers, it might be usefull to consider cruisers with guns larger than 8", like the Alaskas and their semi-mythical Japanese counterparts as true Heavy Cruisers with the usual 8" Heavy Cruisers as Mediums. Pre-WWI, 9"+ guns were not that uncommon, like the Blucher and its British equivalents. You could also include Jackie Fisher's "Baltic Cruisers" like the Furious and her step-sisters, too. Or as you do mention, the Battlecruisers could also be thrown in as the new "Heavies" too.
Linguistic trivia of the day: "going for broke", "go for broke", is Japanese. Well, Japanese-American, Hawaiian-Japanese-American, even more specifically it was the motto of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team, which consisted of Japanese-Americans and fought in Europe. And you can blame Hollywood, since it's the 1951 movie "Go For Broke" that introduced the phrase to the rest of the world, replacing "shoot the works". The combined 110th/442nd RCT is the most decorated military unit in U.S. history. The movie is worth watching. Van Wilder stars as the white commander of the 442nd, but a number of the main characters are played by veterans of the unit itself.
Personally i could see a niche for medium cruisers as convoy leaders or in Germany's case commerce raiders. If you up-armoured a light cruiser to withstand six (or eight if you are willing to add machinery space to keep up speed) inch gunfire and add displacement for fuel and water storage i could see them being a more cost effective and versatile ship than say the Deutschland or crown colony classes simply through having interchangeable ammunition with regular light cruisers but the toughness to operate independently with some protection.
I've always thought an appropriate "medium cruiser" breakdown would have been to divide light cruisers by displacement, so ships like the Brooklyn's and pre-refit Mogami's which were essentially "six inch heavy cruisers" would be the "mediums" and light cruisers would be things like the Leanders and Arethusa's would be the true "light cruisers". So under 7500t standard displacement with max 8x 6" guns are light; up to 10,000t with 6" guns (no limit) the mediums, and 8" & 10,000 tones the heavy cruisers.
1:03:18 Why WOULDN'T you go with Emperor Hirohito?? I would like to hear the case for that qualifier on his responsibility. The more recent history I have read/been exposed to shows he was much more involved in the war planning and execution then I had known.
He still didn't act as the final authority day-to-day. It's not like Hitler who micromanaged or Mussolini who was out front in creating the new regime and its ideology. The weird thing about Japan is that it had democratic elections for parliament as late as 1944. But all the political parties "voluntarily" dissolved themselves and everyone ran as independents - but all the incumbents won. And there was no central party movement that won control of the parliament, just the organization that the militarists created after they had already bombed Pearl Harbor. It's like the orders were coming out of a holy void and no one fully took responsibility, but no one refused to obey. I don't get it.
Kind of ironic the asker estimates that the 16”/50 Mk2 with the heavier shell could possibly have a velocity of 2650 ft/s. The Mark 12 shell used by the 16”/50 Mk2&3 as coastal guns had that same velocity and those shells weighed the same as the Mark 5 shells on the Colorados’ later guns (16”/45 Mark 5), which was the Iowas originally planned shell before the SHAP shell.
Re. torpedo blisters: I don't think it's a particularly realistic proposition, but the time to install them would be when the treaties break down, or whenever it becomes apparent that war is likely going to happen soon. Real world this would have been late Thirties. The latest start date I can think of would be when war is declared in Europe.
I dont know how realistic the cost estimazes are, but in Rule the Waves, adding torpedo bulges to some of your early capital ships is a good way to keep them relwvant for an extradecade at a relatively low cost, especially for nations with a restrictive budget, but enough obligations to warrant a substantial capital force. The difference between keeping an additional class of capitals in service at a time or not is the more impactful the smaller the overall navy.
re Delay of Washington The three main navies were far more concerned about their real enemies, the folks back home who wanted to limit them, than they were about each other. Consideration about what each might have done should include those factors
Umm Drach you are wrong about Amagi, if she is not converted into an aircraft carrier, she is not going to be at Yokosuka when the quake hits, she will be in service, the Kii class battleship Owari will be the ship that gets destroyed by the earthquake.
In reference to the wrecks of Port Phillip Bay (Melbourne), if there is a chance for salvage or they want them for tourism would attaching anodes help prolong their life?
Italy had tremendous success with frogmen commandos, they are an absolutely sound idea. Submarine insertion of SF is standard practice to this day. I steongly disagree on the cruiser submarine decapitstion first strike idea. The only way you ever succesully do that, is with aircraft carriers, a d those are ruinously expensive. The only way I can see an actual naval war between uneven oppone ts going the weaker forces way is by extremely heavy investment in very long endurance submarines, and focusing the naval budget exclusively on a blocade maintained by hundreds of submarine raiders. Get their underwater performance as good as possible, give them wire guided torpedoes, and they become an uncounterable threat for a good three decades.
So, if Rodney hit at least with one torpedo, it means that in general she had 50% torpedo accuracy in all the engagements she used torps. Does it make Rodney the most efficient and accurate torpedo boat ever?
wrt the question of the Washington treaty being delayed for 3 years. That puts the start of the conference at November 24, during the US election. President Harding died in August, 23, so Coolidge is POTUS, running for a second term. From my reading, the US called the Washington conference because there was a sense that Congress would withdraw funding for the current construction program, regardless what other countries did, so Harding decided to try to get other countries to limit construction in sync with the US. In that light, Washington would have been completed, but all the Lexingtons and South Dakotas could very well have been cancelled and cut up on the slipway, regardless what anyone else did. In reality, Coolidge would probably have started the conference a month or two earlier, as a campaign ploy. In Japan, the quake was in August, 1923. Amagi was laid down in December 20. Without the delays due to the treaty negotiations and conversion to a carrier, Amagi would have been in the water, and safe, when the quake hit. The second pair of Amagis were scheduled to be complete in December 24. There would have been an argument that the second pair of Amagis needed to be scrapped. Both Tosas would be complete. None of the Kiis or 13s would be complete. So, net, the IJN gains the two Tosas and first two Amagis. As the US would have unilaterally scrapped the Lexingtons in 22-23, there would have never been a clause allowing conversions that exceeded the treaty 27,000 carrier limit, so the second pair of Amagis, and the Kiis, are all broken up, rather than be converted. In the back of my mind is the thought the G3s and N3s were a bluff. When the US and UK were negotiating the tonnage escalator in 37, the UK was looking for a limit around 42,000, because that was what their facilities could handle. As the G3 and N3 exceed that displacement, I suspect they were not intended to actually be built. Of course, a 1924 Washington conference could very well have failed, entirely. In February 1927, Coolidge called a conference in Geneva to limit total tonnage of smaller ships, as the original Washington treaty limited capital ships. The conference failed. I have read the British were making comments to the effect "the US is trying to buy parity on the cheap". The US would probably walk in to a 1924 Washington conference with the same idea: force other nations to draw their naval strength down to what the US had. The other nations would probably react the same way they did in 27, and, effectively, tell Coolidge to take a flying leap.
Would it be possible to do a video on Admiralty drifters and trawlers of WW1? Characteristics, roles, and perhaps some representative anecdotes of service.
The Washington Naval Treaty came off historically as no one had the money, or the intent, to complete their building programs. The new US administration did not want to spend the money, and the British and French were debtors of the US. The Japanese were also in financial difficulties.
And really, it was only the japandse who managed to szsbstantially build above their allotted limit, and even that was only by refurbishing a lot of very obsolete ships into some questionable designs. Kitikami for example.
I would say the only way I can imagine the G14 would be still in Military service at the time of the Hugo is in an alternative history where Japan did not surrender when they did & ended up on the wrong side of cold war. if Japan went the way of Easbloc states or Vietnam, I can imagine them still maintaining a really old aircraft carrier in their "RedArmy"
00:56:43 consider the masts of Italian battleships like the rebuilds Andrea Doria-class battleship leading to the ultimate iteration the Littorio class effectively a return to tubular mast for carrying large DCTs.
in your opinion?, if at Jutland every German vessel with Triple EE was at a serious disadvantage because of bad coal, why were they not hunted down and destroyed?😮
Because the High Seas Fleet sailed together in a group. And then they entered a channel protected by minefields. And by the time Jellicoe understood what was happening, they were functionally already in Wilhelmshaven. "Bad" coal is interesting. By 1916, the Germans would have been burning locally produced bituminous coal, versus the RN who were burning semi-bituminous coal, usually Welsh but also from Svarlbald. German bituminous coal is (was) good coal. But British Welsh coal is (was) the best coal. The difference in performance is probably about 10 to 15% more BTUs per pound. But the German coal would produce about twice the amount of ash. And the probably about twice the amount of smoke as well. This can be compensated for by just shoveling in more coal. The German stokers basically work harder. The problems started on the German destroyers when they would have to turn off boilers to clean out the ash. But they were still able to maintain fleet speeds. It just really sucked to be a stoker, especially on those DDs. Don't forget, the Germans were selling slower anyways because they had those pre-dreadnoughts with them.
So one of the problems the Japanese had, is they could not replace war time loss fast enough. So if the Japanese had 50 or 75 percent of the US industrial capacity to replace wartime losses how much longer would the war have gone on,?.
I remember there was a video when Drach told us he was getting a Pupper and a research assistant? weve seen the pupper? is baby drach the reseach assistant? uf so is the classic " I love it when pkans come together"???
@@leftcoaster67 Curiously, Hawkins literally defined the heavy cruiser. They were probably the worst heavy cruiser of any of the nations, but they were definitely a heavy cruiser.
You keep asking the same question, with the same obvious answer. Bismarck does nothing in the Atlantic. Convoys get rerouted to avoid her. The Royal Navy hunts it down. Or gets back to France and wins up a bombing Target.
1. See the Republic RC-3 Seabee for the sort of design Drach is proposing en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_RC-3_Seabee 2. Drach, You didn't mention the effect on carrier development with no ships to convert in Washinton 2.0 3. Mark 2 stats Projectile Types and Weights Ships Navy AP Mark 3 - 2,110 lbs. (957.1 kg) Coastal Artillery Army AP Mark 2 Mod 2 1a - 2,100 lbs. (952.5 kg) Army AP Mark 12 2a - 2,240 lbs. (1,015 kg)
Muzzle Velocity Ships AP Mark 3 - 2,800 fps (853 mps) Coast Defense Batteries AP Mark 2 Mod 2 - 2,750 fps (838 mps) AP Mark 12 - 2,650 fps (808 mps So a 2700 lbs super heavy round fired from a Mark 2 might well have a grossly inferior muzzle velocity as the propelling charge had to drop from 700 to 648 lbs to fit the heavier shell
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I kind of like the idea of an annual addendum video. It might save the trouble of "I know Drach made revised comments on such-and-such topic in one of the Drydocks, but I cannot remember which one. I guess I will have to rewatch all of them."
After that fantastic wrecks of Port Phillip Bay (Melbourne) Fun Friday's video, we are even more spoilt with Drydock 319!!
Thanks Mr Drach!!
Having lived the first ~30 years of my life when smoking everywhere was ubiquitous, I really, really don’t miss those days.
00:39:56 Drachinifel even covers this in a Naval setting.
As an ex smoker (started in 1983, quit in 2012) I have to say I disagree with you. But only when it comes to pubs and bars, I really miss the old smell of them.
Smoking is good. You are just a little girl.
As a joyful smoker, there is nothing like going to Vegas now and pounding cigs indoors while drinking and gambling
@@spudgunn8695 I certainly don't miss how you'd continue to smell like that until you had washed your hair and all of your clothes even if you didn't smoke yourself.
Godspeed to you. Enjoy your time, stateside... Cheers to Mrs. Drach.
Ta!
Thank you for answering my question Drach 36:02. The 16"/50 Mark 2 had a Rifling Length of 676.0in while the Mark 7 had 682.86in or about 1% longer. Could the 1% longer Rifling overcome the difference 40 pounds or about 6% more powder could have? Very interesting! Thanks for looking into it! :)
My maternal grandfather served on the USS Tangier in WW2 so hearing about sea planes always perks my interest.
Last time I was this earlyfor Drach, the battle cheese was approaching Hampton Roads.
On the addendum question, why not make them throughout the year and somehow make them available to your patrons, then once or twice a year, combine them and do a general release aka a dry dock
Your videos are a cocktail of skill, talent and passion. Thank you for your dedication and hard work!🌉🛼🌜
thank you for the answer
As to the high turnover of Japanese PMs around WW2, Hugh Byas wrote a book titled "Government by Assassination".
Regarding the Rodney torpedo question - that might pair well with what you have already eased about your research into if Bismarck was actually scuttled at all, or if that's just a postwar narrative to save face
FWIW, RANGER was actually supposed to get a major rebuild by order of FADM King which would have brought her much closer to being able to survive combat in the Pacific, and she certainly would have had a much upgraded torpedo protection system.
Last time I was this early to a wonderful Drydock video, we didn't even know Drachinifel's name is Alex...
or there was a baby drach?
@@hughgordon6435 or that there is a baby Drachinifel, indeed!
@williestyle35 I made a comment about a year ago, if how it was a difference of hearing the pupper drach instead of Mrs Drach typing? and a week later we had visual proof of baby Drach? so I jade another pist with an appoligyvfor my mistake? So yes indeed!
Maybe, but for those of us who love the channel & appreciate the content, we just didn't care what his actual name is. Because it simply doesn't matter in the slightest if his name were Bob, Alex, or Mr. Myparceltape. As long as the videos are informative & of high quality as these, then I'll respect their privacy & not even do a Google search. For if he wanted us to know, he would have it posted on the channel home page. Would his videos be any better if his name was Pellion or Parceltape? I don't think so. A silly name is not going to do anything positive for you, but some may poke fun at you for it though... Parceltape?!?? 🤨
@@Rob.DB. Certainly, I ignore all but the channel name in my mind unless challenged.
You are quite right.
Question for next drydock since the pinned comment isn’t up yet, if the KGVs had been built with 9 15 inch 45s how much would have to be sacrificed to keep them all or how much over the weight limits would the class have to go to remain balanced designs? Would they be forced to drop guns like the actual KGVs or would Britain be more likely to realize the treaty system is already dead and be willing to exceed the treaty limits anyways .
Thanks for all the hard work producing these great DDs Drach. Have a great trip to Italy.
Greatest opening tune on TH-cam.
In the UK at least, there were three major brands of cigarettes aimed at sailors.
Wills' Capstan Full Strength.
Player's Navy Cut which featured a picture of a sailor on the packet inside a life ring, similar to Drach's picture.
Senior Service, with an anchor on the packet. They were all available in little tins to keep them dry at sea. (Similar to the little tins 'Cafe' style miniature cigars come in.
They were available marked up as NAAFI stores aboard ship.
All were 'full strength' unfiltered cigarettes.
My dad's favourite was Senior Service. They were available from NAAFI stores aboard ship.
James Bond smokes Senior Service cigarettes in the Goldfinger, Thunderball, The Spy Who Loved Me, and The Man with the Golden Gun books.
By the time I was in the navy in the 80s they were out of favour compared to filter brands.
More solders rather than sailors but in early 2000s lambert and butler used to sell cigarettes in a camo pack from the NAAFI
Thank You.
On the topic of Medium Cruisers, it might be usefull to consider cruisers with guns larger than 8", like the Alaskas and their semi-mythical Japanese counterparts as true Heavy Cruisers with the usual 8" Heavy Cruisers as Mediums. Pre-WWI, 9"+ guns were not that uncommon, like the Blucher and its British equivalents. You could also include Jackie Fisher's "Baltic Cruisers" like the Furious and her step-sisters, too. Or as you do mention, the Battlecruisers could also be thrown in as the new "Heavies" too.
River Platte. Two light cruisers and a medium cruiser bring down a heavy cruiser.
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End of year addendum compilation 😊
All the best to you and yours...PAB
Hello, Drach. Please, whenever possível, consider a vídeo about the battle of diu.
And thank you for all the hours of info/fun
Linguistic trivia of the day: "going for broke", "go for broke", is Japanese. Well, Japanese-American, Hawaiian-Japanese-American, even more specifically it was the motto of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team, which consisted of Japanese-Americans and fought in Europe. And you can blame Hollywood, since it's the 1951 movie "Go For Broke" that introduced the phrase to the rest of the world, replacing "shoot the works". The combined 110th/442nd RCT is the most decorated military unit in U.S. history.
The movie is worth watching. Van Wilder stars as the white commander of the 442nd, but a number of the main characters are played by veterans of the unit itself.
Man, those soldiers fought like U.S. Marines!
Personally i could see a niche for medium cruisers as convoy leaders or in Germany's case commerce raiders. If you up-armoured a light cruiser to withstand six (or eight if you are willing to add machinery space to keep up speed) inch gunfire and add displacement for fuel and water storage i could see them being a more cost effective and versatile ship than say the Deutschland or crown colony classes simply through having interchangeable ammunition with regular light cruisers but the toughness to operate independently with some protection.
Thanks Drach
The Japanese Pagoda mast design would be cool to deep dive into the thinking.
I've always thought an appropriate "medium cruiser" breakdown would have been to divide light cruisers by displacement, so ships like the Brooklyn's and pre-refit Mogami's which were essentially "six inch heavy cruisers" would be the "mediums" and light cruisers would be things like the Leanders and Arethusa's would be the true "light cruisers". So under 7500t standard displacement with max 8x 6" guns are light; up to 10,000t with 6" guns (no limit) the mediums, and 8" & 10,000 tones the heavy cruisers.
1:03:18 Why WOULDN'T you go with Emperor Hirohito?? I would like to hear the case for that qualifier on his responsibility. The more recent history I have read/been exposed to shows he was much more involved in the war planning and execution then I had known.
He still didn't act as the final authority day-to-day. It's not like Hitler who micromanaged or Mussolini who was out front in creating the new regime and its ideology.
The weird thing about Japan is that it had democratic elections for parliament as late as 1944. But all the political parties "voluntarily" dissolved themselves and everyone ran as independents - but all the incumbents won. And there was no central party movement that won control of the parliament, just the organization that the militarists created after they had already bombed Pearl Harbor.
It's like the orders were coming out of a holy void and no one fully took responsibility, but no one refused to obey. I don't get it.
My gradfather, a stoker on HMS Benbow at Jutland was told to smoke as treatment for his tuberculosis
Kind of ironic the asker estimates that the 16”/50 Mk2 with the heavier shell could possibly have a velocity of 2650 ft/s. The Mark 12 shell used by the 16”/50 Mk2&3 as coastal guns had that same velocity and those shells weighed the same as the Mark 5 shells on the Colorados’ later guns (16”/45 Mark 5), which was the Iowas originally planned shell before the SHAP shell.
Re. torpedo blisters: I don't think it's a particularly realistic proposition, but the time to install them would be when the treaties break down, or whenever it becomes apparent that war is likely going to happen soon. Real world this would have been late Thirties. The latest start date I can think of would be when war is declared in Europe.
I dont know how realistic the cost estimazes are, but in Rule the Waves, adding torpedo bulges to some of your early capital ships is a good way to keep them relwvant for an extradecade at a relatively low cost, especially for nations with a restrictive budget, but enough obligations to warrant a substantial capital force. The difference between keeping an additional class of capitals in service at a time or not is the more impactful the smaller the overall navy.
Atlantas and Didos: "Ha! Now *I'm* the light cruiser, and the 6" cruisers are the mediums! Ha! Ha again!"
I imagine the Arethusas (6,000 tons and six 6" guns) will fit in there as well, and the Leanders (7,200 tons, right 6" guns) might also.
re Delay of Washington The three main navies were far more concerned about their real enemies, the folks back home who wanted to limit them, than they were about each other. Consideration about what each might have done should include those factors
Umm Drach you are wrong about Amagi, if she is not converted into an aircraft carrier, she is not going to be at Yokosuka when the quake hits, she will be in service, the Kii class battleship Owari will be the ship that gets destroyed by the earthquake.
Another week, another question about how to cheat, rig, avoid or loophole the Washington Naval Treaty? This a endless obsession thread now....
In reference to the wrecks of Port Phillip Bay (Melbourne), if there is a chance for salvage or they want them for tourism would attaching anodes help prolong their life?
12:15 the macchi m5 and m7 are examples of this type that actually did pretty well. As a fighter. It indeed had a pusher.
“So how would you win an asymmetrical naval war?”
Drach: “so I’m going to combine an I400 and Sourcourf with commandos”
Japan might try that.
Italy had tremendous success with frogmen commandos, they are an absolutely sound idea. Submarine insertion of SF is standard practice to this day.
I steongly disagree on the cruiser submarine decapitstion first strike idea. The only way you ever succesully do that, is with aircraft carriers, a d those are ruinously expensive. The only way I can see an actual naval war between uneven oppone ts going the weaker forces way is by extremely heavy investment in very long endurance submarines, and focusing the naval budget exclusively on a blocade maintained by hundreds of submarine raiders. Get their underwater performance as good as possible, give them wire guided torpedoes, and they become an uncounterable threat for a good three decades.
So, if Rodney hit at least with one torpedo, it means that in general she had 50% torpedo accuracy in all the engagements she used torps. Does it make Rodney the most efficient and accurate torpedo boat ever?
wrt the question of the Washington treaty being delayed for 3 years. That puts the start of the conference at November 24, during the US election. President Harding died in August, 23, so Coolidge is POTUS, running for a second term. From my reading, the US called the Washington conference because there was a sense that Congress would withdraw funding for the current construction program, regardless what other countries did, so Harding decided to try to get other countries to limit construction in sync with the US. In that light, Washington would have been completed, but all the Lexingtons and South Dakotas could very well have been cancelled and cut up on the slipway, regardless what anyone else did. In reality, Coolidge would probably have started the conference a month or two earlier, as a campaign ploy.
In Japan, the quake was in August, 1923. Amagi was laid down in December 20. Without the delays due to the treaty negotiations and conversion to a carrier, Amagi would have been in the water, and safe, when the quake hit. The second pair of Amagis were scheduled to be complete in December 24. There would have been an argument that the second pair of Amagis needed to be scrapped. Both Tosas would be complete. None of the Kiis or 13s would be complete. So, net, the IJN gains the two Tosas and first two Amagis. As the US would have unilaterally scrapped the Lexingtons in 22-23, there would have never been a clause allowing conversions that exceeded the treaty 27,000 carrier limit, so the second pair of Amagis, and the Kiis, are all broken up, rather than be converted.
In the back of my mind is the thought the G3s and N3s were a bluff. When the US and UK were negotiating the tonnage escalator in 37, the UK was looking for a limit around 42,000, because that was what their facilities could handle. As the G3 and N3 exceed that displacement, I suspect they were not intended to actually be built.
Of course, a 1924 Washington conference could very well have failed, entirely. In February 1927, Coolidge called a conference in Geneva to limit total tonnage of smaller ships, as the original Washington treaty limited capital ships. The conference failed. I have read the British were making comments to the effect "the US is trying to buy parity on the cheap". The US would probably walk in to a 1924 Washington conference with the same idea: force other nations to draw their naval strength down to what the US had. The other nations would probably react the same way they did in 27, and, effectively, tell Coolidge to take a flying leap.
Would it be possible to do a video on Admiralty drifters and trawlers of WW1? Characteristics, roles, and perhaps some representative anecdotes of service.
Saturday morning. Wonderful Autumn weather. Drydock with breakfast on the porch
Early gang got here a day ahead of me, yet I am sitting on my back porch and enjoying the brand new autumn weather while having coffee...
12:15 The Airspeed AS.37 could serve as a basis for such an aircraft.
With seaplane carriers I could see an F8F flying boat fighter or similar being developed.
Yay!
The Washington Naval Treaty came off historically as no one had the money, or the intent, to complete their building programs. The new US administration did not want to spend the money, and the British and French were debtors of the US. The Japanese were also in financial difficulties.
And really, it was only the japandse who managed to szsbstantially build above their allotted limit, and even that was only by refurbishing a lot of very obsolete ships into some questionable designs. Kitikami for example.
Heavy Cruisers: USS Alaska. Graf Spee
Medium Cruisers: Counties. Baltimores.
the picture 8f Hiro hito??? what exactly are his awards/ medals?
41:45 what is your opinion that smoking was the cause of the explosion aboard USS Maine at the start of the Spanish American war?
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I would say the only way I can imagine the G14 would be still in Military service at the time of the Hugo is in an alternative history where Japan did not surrender when they did & ended up on the wrong side of cold war. if Japan went the way of Easbloc states or Vietnam, I can imagine them still maintaining a really old aircraft carrier in their "RedArmy"
00:56:43 consider the masts of Italian battleships like the rebuilds Andrea Doria-class battleship leading to the ultimate iteration the Littorio class effectively a return to tubular mast for carrying large DCTs.
Would like a vid on how veiwers comments have changed your mind
Okay. Since he mentioned it. A Wednesday about pagoda masts; all the why's and wherefores? Stole that from Bilbo
As for what if flattop carriers were never invented... F-14 Tomcat on floats. :3
in your opinion?, if at Jutland every German vessel with Triple EE was at a serious disadvantage because of bad coal, why were they not hunted down and destroyed?😮
Because the High Seas Fleet sailed together in a group. And then they entered a channel protected by minefields. And by the time Jellicoe understood what was happening, they were functionally already in Wilhelmshaven.
"Bad" coal is interesting. By 1916, the Germans would have been burning locally produced bituminous coal, versus the RN who were burning semi-bituminous coal, usually Welsh but also from Svarlbald.
German bituminous coal is (was) good coal. But British Welsh coal is (was) the best coal.
The difference in performance is probably about 10 to 15% more BTUs per pound. But the German coal would produce about twice the amount of ash. And the probably about twice the amount of smoke as well.
This can be compensated for by just shoveling in more coal. The German stokers basically work harder. The problems started on the German destroyers when they would have to turn off boilers to clean out the ash. But they were still able to maintain fleet speeds. It just really sucked to be a stoker, especially on those DDs.
Don't forget, the Germans were selling slower anyways because they had those pre-dreadnoughts with them.
So one of the problems the Japanese had, is they could not replace war time loss fast enough. So if the Japanese had 50 or 75 percent of the US industrial capacity to replace wartime losses how much longer would the war have gone on,?.
The US still produced 700 ! times the amount of fuel compared to Japan, so I doubt it would have made to much difference ?!
I remember there was a video when Drach told us he was getting a Pupper and a research assistant? weve seen the pupper? is baby drach the reseach assistant? uf so is the classic " I love it when pkans come together"???
Income Tax down for engaging a research assistant.
Baby is a source of income and change in tax status.
But don't ask me for genuine financial advice.
Medium Cruiser. 7" Guns? Some armour, and +32 knots?
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Would a Hawkins Class cruiser qualify as a medium cruiser. 7.5" Guns. Or is that too close to the 8"?
@@leftcoaster67 Curiously, Hawkins literally defined the heavy cruiser. They were probably the worst heavy cruiser of any of the nations, but they were definitely a heavy cruiser.
A man for whom nothing is more important than his own safety is a miserable creature, who is made free and kept free by better men than he.
You mean a smart man. Because they are the old men sending young men to die for their profits
29th, 13 October 2024
Call heavy cruisers medium, and call the Alaska class Heavy.
DAY 82 please could you make a video on what if the Bismarck broke into the Atlantic or what if the the Bismarck made it TO France
You keep asking the same question, with the same obvious answer. Bismarck does nothing in the Atlantic. Convoys get rerouted to avoid her. The Royal Navy hunts it down. Or gets back to France and wins up a bombing Target.
1. See the Republic RC-3 Seabee for the sort of design Drach is proposing en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_RC-3_Seabee
2. Drach, You didn't mention the effect on carrier development with no ships to convert in Washinton 2.0
3. Mark 2 stats
Projectile Types and Weights
Ships
Navy AP Mark 3 - 2,110 lbs. (957.1 kg)
Coastal Artillery
Army AP Mark 2 Mod 2 1a - 2,100 lbs. (952.5 kg)
Army AP Mark 12 2a - 2,240 lbs. (1,015 kg)
Muzzle Velocity Ships
AP Mark 3 - 2,800 fps (853 mps)
Coast Defense Batteries
AP Mark 2 Mod 2 - 2,750 fps (838 mps)
AP Mark 12 - 2,650 fps (808 mps
So a 2700 lbs super heavy round fired from a Mark 2 might well have a grossly inferior muzzle velocity as the propelling charge had to drop from 700 to 648 lbs to fit the heavier shell