"Am I the only one who misses getting an honest-to-God book with my computer games?" No, sir. You are not the only one. I am a couple decades your junior and I, too, miss instruction booklets.
Especially the ones that were written to either be fun or in-universe, like Fallout or Battlezone (the 90s version). They really added something to the game.
Any one remember a game being issued and working out of the box? I remember getting a patch disk and a letter of apology from the maker for having to patch the game to begin with. Oh the good old days.
i guess that's a nice way of telling him he's old, im at least a decade older than him that make me ancient. i to miss the how to books the only game i play now is MS flight sim it would be nice to have a book to tell me how to map all the controls and buttons.
0:00 Introduction 2:21 How do you source reference documents 5:19 Favorite Star Trek ship class 6:03 Any highlights of the Armor and Cavalry Collection 7:44 T58 ammo 12:52 Direct fire doctrine 15:35 Resilience of electronics 16:24 NATO vs Russia tank performance range 18:27 Thoughts on Namer IFV 19:28 Swiss 140mm 20:00 Sherman driveshafts 21:00 New (old) areas of focus for armies 23:42 Mine doctrines 24:49 Damaged/lost equipment 25:30 WTF features on vehicles 26:45 Field modifications made official 28:35 German armor in Operation Unthinkable 29:12 MBT-70 A1 features 30:15 Any odd armored car design 31:13 WW2 ammo management 32:23 Thermals and dismounts 33:12 Turret monster 34:35 Maintenance checklist 35:05 Vehicles sent back in time 36:24 M48 in Vietnam 36:48 Bradley vs T-90 38:41 Light combined arms 40:28 AMX 20mm 42:02 Jagdpanzer 38(t) 42:32 Air vs ground threats 45:05 Front vs theater vs campaign 46:04 Rations 46:59 Cool guns at TH-camr range day 48:52 Need for ACAV 49:57 Why DShKT and not KPVT 51:14 How would Commonwealth designs have fared on the frontline 52:11 Countering AT mines in the Pacific theater 56:10 Cavalry hat models 56:47 HVSS 57:36 Any old MBT to bring back 58:21 Why L7 over T140 59:03 Iraqi M1 1:00:09 US 75mm shaped charge 1:00:34 Tearing your hair out over games 1:01:09 Closing words
@@hothoploink1509 I chose to not include some of the tiny addendums. And the reason the first question is still wrong is because I started with hour-long labels but went back to remove them. I am sorry I am not as perfect as you
@@Ruija27 Wasn't trying to be a dick, just pointing it out so it could be corrected for other people, sorry if I came across as aggressive or something really wasn't meant that way, always appreciate those who take the time to write timestamps
Officially expressing interest in the "Emotional Support Missile" as a plush in pretty much whatever ends up being the largest size available, that sounds amazing!
As far as Bradley max loading capacity as a former Mac infantryman, I can tell you that you are quite correct. The typical max loading is seven, but I spent about half my first NTC rotation stuffed into the hellhole as an eighth man with my leg sticking out into the troop compartment and in Iraq we had three additional seated on the laps of the men on the benches, once or twice we would have a man ride balled up in the floor of the turret between the gun and commander. At one point I believe we put 13 discounts in the back of a Bradley.
The impressive thing about the BTR blown to scrap by the Ukrainian tank at point blank range is that there were at least seven survivors, in a fit state to exit, assess their surroundings, and run like hell in random directions. They did seem a little confused. But in possession of all their body parts. Beyond belief.
I was wondering the same. @The Chieftain: could it be the had a SABOT round in the tube and the thing just went it went through and through. I can't imagian that a HEAT round to side of a BTR would allow anyone to 'walk' away.
The first round fired at the BTR most liekely was an HE round. The large explosion does uggest this as well as the fact that having HE loaded is SOP of the UA tankers. Later the second T-64 does fire a HEAT round at the wreck and the effect is noticable different. Including a clearly visible overpenetrating jet. Regardless its not unlikely that passengers are only lightly wounded or not wounded at all if an APC is hit or taken out. It depends on hit placement, seating, equipment etc. If the passengers wear protective gear that makes a huge difference for example. Also in a cramped compartment that is full of people and equipment there is a lot that can absorb fragments. There is footage of an M113 version used by UA troops filmed with body and helmet cams on the attack. The vehicle takes conciderable fire and several RPG hits and is eventually knocked out. The passengers and remaining crew bail and fight on foot. They only lost a few men. The majority of the occupants is not wounded. This is to large parts because they wear protective gear. The helmets and body armor absorb a lot of fragments that otherwise could proove fatal. The fragmentation of the hitting rounds also is rather poor and the thin armor offers little to the jet to interact with. So the hits are pass trough. The vehicle is knocked out because the engine is knocked out by a hit. Of course a 125 mm HE would have knocked an M113 out just like the BTR. The majority of the passengers are sitting on the other side of the vehicle though. The engine compartment would have absorbed a lot of the blast. What gets trough and the fragments need to pass trough the crew and the stored equipment to reach the passengers. So if you are one of the guys sitting at the back you most likely can bail. The first couple of your mates will have stopped the fragments from reaching you. AFV are designed to survive being hit and reduce their effect. This does work pretty well. The soviet designed tanks with their problematic ammo placement are an outlier. Most AFV are actually quite sturdy. Just because an impact or explosion does look spectacular this doesn't mean something serious actually happened. An effective hit is virtually indistingishable from an ineffective one. Especially if looking at footage. If a hit was effective can be seen by what happens after the impact. Jets of fire shooting out of every opening and the turret lifing of is a very spectacular giveaway. Its not normal though. Most AFVs will not light up like this.
@@schnuersi I hear you. Those chaps will never be the same again though. Hearing loss just for starters, if only temporary. Concussion surely. They were lucky that the tank didn't laminate the landscape with a machine gun. Presumably because the crew didn't expect to see a target.
38:30 I am reminded of some excellent pieces of advice: Maxim 42: "They'll never expect this," means, "I want to try something stupid." Maxim 43: If it's stupid and it works, it's still stupid and you're lucky. From Schlock Mercenary's _Seventy Maxims of Maximally-Effective Mercenaries_
Fun fact, I had the experience of being in a Warfighter exercise with 1st Cav in what must have been '94. As a Spc E-4, I was one of the "operators" inputting orders for telling units what to do. Think playing something like Panzerblitz or whatnot, but instead of you deciding what to do, you're calling on the radio to battalion TOCs bouncing around in the woods of Ft. Cavazos (then Ft. Hood) and they call back with orders they've giving, which got translated to the map system the simulation used which varied a bit from the "real" maps the TOCs were using. The average rank there was probably either Major or Lt. Colonel. So. There I was, doing my job, and the door behind us opens and closes, and an unfamiliar voice says "as you were," and about two seconds later Major General Eric Shinseki plops down next to me and I kid you not, just starts shooting the shit with us. Real down to earth guy, asked about were we getting fed okay, etc. (I place it at '94 because Shinseki commanded 1st Cav from Mar '94 to Jul '95, and I got out in July of '95 and it was a summer I don;t think was that close to me getting out.) Great experience, if I'd had more like that I'd have stayed in.
Winchester was real on the M4A2 during Tarawa on Betio the Marines learned they needed more places to store ammo on board the tanks. Fighting on an island so small rifle fire could reach across from shore to shore meant during daylight it was very hard to upload rounds into a tank.
15:50 Solid state electronics & hits. Most electronics don't like shock waves. If they're insulated from shock then they will keep on working, but shock itself will often destroy electronic components or wreck joints, either outright breaking the components (especially diodes and chips) or creating dry joints randomly across boards which will be erratic in failure.
@@dwrdwlsn5 I'm just amazed he called so many thing accurately (adjusted for scifi expectations) for something written in the 1980's. As another example, the Israelis are putting in a "smartscreen" for their Merkava tanks that sounds a lot the Slammer tank 360/multi-sensor displays from the books. Even the Slammer's themselves are echoed by modern PMC-type mercs such Executive Outcomes, Blackwater, and Wagner.
@@jameshealy4594 yep, him and Keith Laumer were my go to military sci-fi as a kid. Always found more in the used book store by my school. Kind of a tossup, actually which I liked more. The Slammers or the Bolo tanks... hmmm... memories.
King tiger hulls, IS or T series tanks as far as I'm aware, never came with inertial dampeners. So 5ft of sudden unexpected rearward movement will certainly have been a severe emotional event on its own independent of following spalling etc.
There was a recent video of a Russian tank with a mine roller getting hit by a Javelin. The commander and gunner jumped clear & were unhurt. The driver....not so much. I am ashamed to admit my first thought on seeing it was to hear Chieftain's voice saying: *Bloody hell, the driver's on fire....*
Re the bridge height at 18:25 I wish it was a vehicle industry wide legal requirement to have the vehicle dimensions and, on heavier vehicles, also axle/boggie load min/max in illuminated text on the dash board or etched into the side window by the drivers side side mirror so that you are able to read it as you see a vehicle dimension restricted sign coming up instead of having to stop, find the manual, locate the table where it's hidden and then find out if your newly assigned vehicle will fit...
Don’t remember which article it was, but several NV systems use “green scale” since (supposedly) the human eye is able to see more shades of green than other colors. EDIT: I too appreciate the guides games came with, fun bit of fluff
I adored the actual world map that came with Elder Scrolls Morrowind. Nothing was labeled instead every land feature & building was on the map in proper scale to game world.
35:05 I remember reading an article by Dean Ing in his book "Firefight 2000" about how the US military would react to recovering a modern ramjet-powered missile that had fallen through a convenient time warp after launch and wound up in (I think) 1939, suffering a failure during transit and being recovered. The 'engine' would show heat effects that showed that it had been running, but as a simple tube with no moving parts, there would be no obvious way for it to operate. The warhead would be understandable (assuming a conventional explosive), but the guidance system would be completely opaque; the technology of the time would not be up to the task of distinguishing the minute patterns of impurities in the impossibly-pure material of the integrated circuits on the circuit boards.
The principle of the ramjet would probably have been understandable to engineers in 1939. It's more likely that they'd be stumped by the materials needed to survive the heat loads within the missile's operating regime.
I went to the NAACC after a meeting at Moore wrapped up early. They were closing down for the day so I thought I was out of luck, but got to talk to the curator. I asked him some questions about how much of the Aberdeen Ordnance Center collection had made it to him, then looked into the parking lot, saw some very obvious rangefinder ears, and said "Holy crap that's the T29." He had mercy on me and took me on a 30 minute walk through the collection. It was the closest I will ever come to walking through a World of Tanks garage in real life.
I must confess it is very validating to hear you speak of your thesis and research in ways that very much reflect my own experiences. In the last few months I completed my MA history thesis, for which I did research in two separate archival visits, each only two day of time in the archives because of time constraints. If I could have changed anything about the process it would have been in the research stage because in my short time I went through using my phone and took photos of correspondence and other primary sources (totaling just over 2k photos) I fortunately had advice from my advisor and made sure that every single one of those photos had the box and folder info on it. Even still finding quotes in that mess, dictating and editing them, and unfortunately having to source alternate quotes to replace ones I could no longer find was my personal hell. In the end however I was very proud of my work, and I am grateful to have undertaken it, despite the difficulties. My thesis made me a far better writer and was on a topic worth exploring. I can only wish you the best of luck on your thesis, and express my gratitude to hear you speak of yours. I hope one day to read your thesis, it sounds fascinating!
100% with you on the wishing games would came with an actual book in the box. I still fondly remember the copy of "Claw Marks" from the original Wing Commander.
The interesting thing for my MRE consumption in the Air Force: if I had done my daily job as a computer operator and all I had were those, I would soon be on the Fat Boy program because they contained far more calories than my daily needs. I did not hump a rucksack or carry a weapon. Lifting boxes of paper into the printer or putting a magnetic tape up on a tape drive was not too strenuous at my first duty station. Vacuuming and mopping the subfloor on my stomach was the most exercise I got, and I only did that once in 2 years. My second duty station resolved down to 15 minutes of work in an 8-hour shift - changing one audit trail tape for another and typing one command on the computer console. That was after we got rid of the Sperry RPG-II computer with punch cards. 😴
Timestamps: 2:20 How he finds documents 5:16 Favorite Starfleet Ship with caveats 6:05 How things get to collections, if they surprise him and appreciations 7:45 155mm t58 HEAT and HEP 12:49 Doctrine on indirect fire 15:35 Reliability of modern tank electronics 16:25 Performance vs Cursing Range on tanks NATO vs Russia 17:53 Knock externally mounted equipment on low hanging obstacles 18:26 Thoughts on Mamer IFV 19:27 Information on Swiss 140mm 20:00 Sherman getting M18 driveshaft 20:58 Army retaking on electronic warfare 23:40 Different mine clearing doctrines 24:50 Tank crew if equipment is blown off 25:30 Item on tank that doesn't make sense 26:45 Field modifications that became official 28:33 Operation Unthinkable Hypothetical 29:10 MBTA Upgrades 29:48 Irish language lesson 30:15 interesting armored car design chooses 31:14 Question on ammunition capacity 32:22 Red vs Green thermal imager 32:40 Dismounts when vehicle is knocked out 33:11 Turret monster less risk if at slower speed 33:24 Breach monster equivalent 33:34 Open top more thorough maintenance than closed top vehicles 35:06 M48A3, M41 and M553 sent back to WW2 36:27 Effectiveness of M48 in Vietnam 36:46 2 Bradelys vs T90 38:39 Thoughts on combined arm light formation 40:28 Thoughts on AMX 20mm 42:03 Why Jagdpanzer 38t over Mauder 3 42:31 Threat matrix shift from ground to air for US armor, others 45:05 Difference between Front, Theater and Campaign 46:04 Tanker preferred rations 46:56 Chieftan in other TH-camr's content 48:51 Can of Worms 49:41 Belgen Picker is modern Dotter 49:55 Dishka vs KPD on tanks 51:12 Commonwealth tanks in WW2 if fielded 52:07 Why no official response to Japanese magnetic mines 56:10 Model of cavalry hat is it 56:47 Sherman with HVSS and bulldozer blade 56:55 Why no HVSS for M36 conversions from M10 57:06 Bring back to production an MBT 58:10 Why L7 over T140 59:03 Iraqi M1s 1:00:09 Shape charge for M4 1L00:35 Frustrating game 1:00:52 Rant about lack of game manuals
I miss the instruction books, and also miss the cardboard thing that unfolded to go over/around the keyboard with reminders of what all the keys did; like all the various Microprose flight sims came with
Possibly interesting fact: As early as the late 1980s the West German army worked on a 40+ ton IFV that became the 44to Marder 2 (Prototype only) in 1991. Had the Cold War not ended this would be the base for the next gen german IFV (likely with a added ATGM launcher). I had a chance to fold my 190cm/120kg frame into the rear of the prototype in Koblenz some years ago and found it useable
I feel you. I miss getting stuff with the game. The cool ones were the Wing Commander games. A few of them hid little things on the disk for you to find. I think it was Armada that had a little shipboard newspaper to read with all kinds of stories and news about the crew. Just an awesome touch.
Regarding the rear driving position on the GMC Fox and the trust between front brake-and-peddle driver vs. rear steering wheel driver - I can think of at least one circumstance where I was controlling the peddles while my girlfriend operated the steering wheel. A certain level of trust was definitely required.
It was nice to hear about your experience at NARA, I am going to the French Armament archives at Châtellerault in a week and will take your advice to focus on taking pictures instead of reading, it's about 25 boxes to see with just 4 days in the archives.
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42:02 I would also think that Airburst Artillery and Air attack were the reasons for the Hetzer Development over the Marder. Because the same people very clearly ordered their new IFV for the new Bundeswehr to be fully enclosed. Granted, that was also for the protection from the "heat" of a nuclear strike, but also for protection from shrapnel.
Hooray! Q n A is back! Ok here goes with a couple of WAG's on things you said you were not sure of but my brain immediately came up with before the question for you. 1. Powder Zoning, possibly having powder increments that could be removed for whatever reason? 2. The slot on Sentinel....possibly for a large poison gas filter for the entire crews use with umbilical cords instead of replacement filters to extend time in the contaminated zone before needing to pull out due to filter failure(though what happened if said filter is hit by something is beyond me.) Finally question the question. You mentioned the 155 HEAT calculations could punch thru 16 inches of armor at 0 degrees and 8 inches at 60 degrees. Ok so should I be able to get this weapon system and have the rounds produced then drag it behind something.....just how loud will Ryan on USS NEW JERSEY scream "Quit poking holes in my damn boat!!!! It's a historic artifact!!!" Or would the Battleships STS steel be too much for it?
Pretty sure those figures are for RHA (rolled homogeneous armour for anyone new) which is (to my understanding) basically mild steel, face hardened battleship armour with a bunch of fancy alloying elements would be an entirely different matter. Might be a good question for Drach or Ryan though!
Questionable at putting holes in the belt armour. Everything else is having a bad day. 155 HEAT vs Battleship armour is a little sketchy. 16 inch belt armour is more a target than reality. Belt armour is not easy to make consistent thickness, its checked by wieght. So some areas may be closer to 17 inch, others closer to 15 inch. I suspect your effect would vary somewhat. Your likely effect on target is small holes with minimal effect on the ship capabilities due to internal compartments and size. Volume of fire would be needed to achieve significant impact, and this provides time for the battleship to violently object with high velocity person sized lumps of steel and HE. The main issue is you need to let water in the bottom or hit a magazine for a kill on a battleship, and it turns out that the underwater armour is very well prtected from HEAT shells.
@@chasler1741 Was thinking sliding in ALA USS Laffey 1 at night till I'm below the angles of depression and popping away like they did against ISE I think may have been.
The Sentinel one is just an air vent. You would want to clear fumes from near the coax and 2pdr, its form is a little unusual probably as a result of trying to keep an unobstructed view for the commander and meet a requirement that the tank be protected from molotov and fire weapons. If you ever climb inside one you should see the armoured baffles are not fully welded to the turret sides and you could stick you fingers into it if you wanted to, I didn't as there were too many spider webs present and I'm not that foolhardy.
To be fair, the Kpz-70s 20mm gun is a dedicated turret on top, similar to the little .50 cal turrets on top of the current tanks, and it appears that the 20 and even 30mm gun turrets reappear, as a ammo saver against smaller targets and against drones.
For bridges taking the weight of heavy military machines, for older masonry arch bridges at least, the Military Engineering Experimental Establishment (MEXE) method of bridge assessment was developed by Alfred Pippard from Imperial College London just after WW2. I'd be interested to know if its still used today for quick combat assessments.
SPGs. Tube artillery is tube artillery. The sighting and laying systems have become much more sophisticated but the guns would still be recognizable to gunners from the Somme or Meuse-Argonne
@@derrickstorm6976 LAMO there are more types of drones besides small battlefront FPV quadcopters. Obviously SPAA would not be (cost) effective against those, but could be useful defending against larger models like Lancet or Shahed.
18:47 Another RvB reference, and one that you have to dig DEEP for at that. I may not be in the 50+ club yet but I'm getting there and catching that reference is just evidence to that fact.
Correction, Chieftain: The M1A1 AIM SA is not a "fully digitized" tank. It's still an analog tank with (in US service) a digital battle command applique (BFT/FBCB2/NCR/JBC-P). The US M1A2/M1A2 SEP series are the "fully digitized" tanks, possessing the 1553 data bus and digital electronic engine and turret controls. As an aside, remember that AIM (Abrams Integrated Management) is a production process, not a configuration -- it's the process by which an older tank starts teardown at Anniston Army Depot and is eventually delivered as a "new" tank by GDLS out of JSMC Lima. SA is the situational awareness identifier for possessing a second-generation long wave Gunner's Primary Sight. Battle command systems aside, the M1A1 AIM SAs in US, Iraqi, Australia, Moroccan, and now Ukrainian service are essentially the same. The M1A2X series now in foreign service are evolutions of the M1A1 architecture and are not fully digitized tanks either, though they've gained a lot of the capability bells & whistles (CITV, LP CROWS) of the US SEP series. The last M1A1 AIM SAs will retire from US service in 2025, though the analog hull architecture will soldier on in the M1150 ABV and M1074 JAB.
Well, Sir, I was sort of quoting the Army article of the time. www.army.mil/article/64944/iraqi_army_receives_last_shipment_of_abrams_tanks I figured it was close enough. If I recall my AIMS NET training correctly, though the main components were all analogue, they all had digital encoder interfaces attached to them so that the tank's computer system could understand their status. Hence, digitized, though not digital. (Trying to save myself, here)
I'm joining in to say that I, too, quite liked the booklets and other extras that used to come with games. My favourite is still Rise of Flight, which came with a proper full-size map of WWI-era France complete with all of the airfields and towns.
Another really awesome round of answers! Something I just wanted to point out since I think it's neat: In answering my question regarding the T58's ammo, you mentioned a test performed on an M36. Something I think is really cool (albeit not directly related to the question) is that the vehicle in the photo appears to actually be a (the?) 76mm Gun Motor Carriage T72; you can see the very small bustle, the configuration of the lifting eyes on the mantlet (on the upper corners rather than along the upper edge) and the distinct flat-faced mantlet itself taken from the T23 design. I don't mean this as a "gotcha!", but more just to point out the appearance of this really neat oddity in the tests!
About rebuilding lost vehicles: Here in Italy a group of volunteers (with a keen encouragement from the Army) built and run the third FIAT 2000 "fortress tank", once the two of 1919-era disappeared in Lybia.
57:00 I actually know that one. There was a desire to upgrade M36s with HVSS, or at least wider tracks with duckbills. Problem was that the production of HVSS units, tracks and everything just wasnt nearly enough to upgrade all Shermans, nevermind other vehicles, so the E9 modification was applied instead, which was putting the VVSS units on a standoff so theyre spaced far enough from the hull to put duckbill end connectors on both sides of the track and get nearly the same track width as the HVSS track.
Hey Nick. Yes - I remember well the year I spent researching my Thesis. Keep in mind here that in the late '70's - the only people with computers were Banks, the Government and such. I borrowed a thousand bucks from my parents to get me through the summer when my job as a teaching assistant didn't exist and spent the days at the Library Xeroxing articles from think tanks and the government. I had worked for the Copy Machine Company in the Library - before and - after I did my research when I really could have used being able to make free copies - but so it goes. I've still got all that stuff that's been in storage for 30 years. I can remember using the Card Catalog - when it was actually little 3x5 cards in these tiny but deep wooden pull out drawers in the library. I sometimes research the TH-cam Comments I make and it is a different story from 1979. .
US Military command: Alright marines, you are going into jungle warfare, so travel light, and don't bring too much DAKKA, these are close infantry battles. USMC: We are only bringing the bare minimum firepower for this, so load up the tanks.... I don't think the marines understand the concept of "too much DAKKA", because there is ALWAYS room for more firepower.
The Achilles class, that ship class has a very special place in my life, it was finding it and wanting to learn more about it that got me into Star Trek RP writing on the now long defunct forums of Megiddo Trek, I own the people there the fact I managed to actually learn English. My first character Ozuu took the helm of the USS Knight an Achilles class battlecruiser and ever since I have been writing.
With the mention of you playing an Astra militarum army What Warhammer 40,000 vehicle is your favorite And if you have the time what is your favorite vehicle of each faction (space marines, guard, orks, tau, etc)
Turret monster.... yeah we used to have a radar turret at a museum kids could play on - my sneakered foot slipped onto the ring and started to be crushed, and there was no way of stopping, luckily the sneaker deformed enough I could pulled my foot out - the turret was several if not 5 ton! Yes it did bloody hurt and I had to hobble home!
4:00 I always photograph the slip for the document as my first photo from any archive document. At the UK National Archives each file is issued to a reader with a yellow slip that includes the reference. The online catalogue gives fairly good details from the reference.
57:00 1945-50 french Re Manufacturing of M10, used bogies, idlers and drive sprockets spaced out six inches per side, and tracks were fitted with end extenders/ grouser/ duckbill on either side of the track. The side guards were modified to accommodate the width. These vehicles were deployed to northern borders of Vietnam to discourage Chinese intervention.
I'm not sure King Tiger Hulls were the best target. As I understand it the armor quality was inferior to earlier tanks because, due to shortages, they had to use substitute ingredients in the armor. I've also read that Soviet tests found King Tiger armor to be more brittle as a result of the substitutions.
I wasn't surprised by anything at the Armor and Cavalry Collection, but after watching The Chieftain's video tours of various museums and his comments about Goliaths being in them, I was surprised that the Tankodrome was the exception.
I am 62 now, and yes, the bodies' warranties expire when you hit 50. Unfortunately, it gets worse. Takes longer to heal when injured can't fight off colds as quickly ect ect..
Good to see that Q&A's are back, I have a question an answer would be appreciated for; in the past you've made reference to a training exercise where T32's were moved from one base to another in order to get some real world experience of how pre-built infrastructure would be able to cope with heavy tanks with the results being disappointing. In comparison the T28 was nearly twice the weight and had it been deployed to Europe as intended it would've had to deal with infrastructure and terrain that would've been in much worse condition and would have presumably severely hindered progress, my question therefore is was there any consideration for how T28 would've actually coped with making its way to the front lines and what sort of specialist support would it have required, or was it just presumed they'd make the tank first and work out that stuff when it got to Europe, any response would be much appreciated, cheers
As long as you have all the drawings, you can 3d print all the parts for anything. They do it for Duesenbergs and have done for the Colt M1911 pistol, so you can get any tank done, for an enormous price.
With the Fox, perhaps the idea was that if you were having to drive backwards already, the only speed you’d need was flat out! And you’d keep reversing until you hit something or were hit!
Have you heard of or played Star Fleet Battles? It's a Table top TOS series Game with either cardboard counters or with ship models. It was first published by Tasl Force Games in 1979, it is now made and distributed by Amarillo Design Bureau.
If my memory is not completely wrong, around 1976 when the army was evaluating the design for the XM1 comparing a Chrysler version (turbine engine), GM version (traditional diesel), and the Leopard 2AV, live rounds were fired at all 3 tanks. The main reason was to evaluate their armor protection, not their ability for the electronics to survive a hit. But someone must have noticed whether they could still function or not after the testing. Although its possible they were tested to failure (destruction). At one point this live fire test was a requirement for all new combat vehicles. If the vehicle was advertised as being able to survive a hit from a .50 cal (12.7 mm) then by God it better survive a hit. Although the manufacturer generally got to choose the place of impact.
RE: Tank Ammo Carried. I assume that the 70+ number could be down to tanks of the era needing multiple hits to get a kill. After quite a few misses as well. There is also the issue of tanks having to take on infantry and thin skinned vehicles. Neither of which an AP round would be much use against. So it could be down just to needing to carry as much HE as AP rounds.
There is also the issue of having enough different types of round so if the minimum need is, say, 40 rounds of AP you will also want to have say 20 rounds of HE and 10 of smoke. You don’t want to find yourself with 70 rounds of AP and meet dug in AT weapons and no smoke to hide you/obscure them nor HE to engage them leaving you with just high speed pointy sticks to throw at them.
On the WW2 ammo thing, I've noted that I tend to be more or less conservative with things depending upon how long I expect it to be before I can get more. I wonder if completely running out wasn't strictly necessary for capacity to be a problem.
1:00:50 nah Im with you. I loved reading through the little booklets that game with games, like half-life for example. I know a few games do have stylized pdfs
Regarding the question of an MBT70A1, I think another possibility would have been the replacement of the AVCR-1360 engine with the AGT-1500 gas turbine. I have no documentation pointing to such a project, but it seems logical to assume that this would have been a possibility considering that the concept of a gas turbine in a tank had many proponents in that period.
48:20 Indeed. The Japanese 13mm round is basically a copy of the 13,2x99mm Hotchkiss. If the gun still has the original barrel I wonder how the conversion was made. Since an unfired .50cal bullet has a diameter of 13mm and an unfired 13,2mm bullet has a diameter of 13,5mm, a barrel sleeve of 2,5mm wall thickness could be possible, but I'm just not sure if that's how it's done.
"Powder Zoning" is, I suspect, another name for the variable charges you see in 155mm howitzers, where if you get, for example, one of the old "green bag" charges, it had segments 1-5. The firing tables for these charges would allow you to fire a shell with all five segments, or if you wanted to fire the shell on a slower velocity and get into those hard to reach defilades, you could fire only the first three or four segments. This means however that you have eleven different firing tables per shell type, and it's a big fat book that you won't wanna mess with for a direct fire long barrel gun. Better to use a simple single type of bagged charge like a naval gun, or a semi-fixed two piece round. And the FM 6-40... well, subtlety is for crunchies who don't have artillery.
Thank you for sharing the into on the 155 tests! The T29/T30/T34 family are my favorite tanks, and learning any of the US heavy prototype info is always awesome. Do you know of any good publicly available resources for them?
Sourcing is hard If you look up the 105mm M67 HEAT round you can and will end up with 3 different figures for perforation. And yet all of the sources are various US Government publications. The difference between sources is down to different conditions under which the figure is generated.
I’m kinda wondering if we would ever see an “Aegis” like system for ground use. Like every auto cannon vehicle in an armored brigade gets linked up to a network of special radar vehicle and it could take over all the guns if any aerial threats are detected. Seems like the only way to realistically deal with future threats like drone swarm
I, too, wish for a return of the days when you got a hardcopy instruction manual ... for everything. After all, how frustrating was it to buy an item to go on the internet ... and be told to go on the internet to use it?
re the 20mm 'fashion' for the tanks, I always guessed it was a fear of bmps (and those atgms) and t72s working together-you want the ap for the tank, but that's less effective against the bmp. A stretch but as I said, it's a guess.
IIRC the Centurion MkI Polsten cannon was as a result of noting how much main gun ammunition was being expended upon soft targets which did not really merit a main gun HE round. And while one was at it why not give it more elevation for urban self protection? The final conclusion was to keep it simple and just give the coax a shed load of ammunition to freely brass up the neighbourhood at will. Plus you can brass up your own tanks to keep the enemy off them without doing too much by way of SIW.
Love the channel Chieftain I have a tank ammo question. You explain the difficulty with getting a good high explosive round for the 76mm gun due to the velocity of the round. My question is do the Germans have the same problems when lengthening the gun tubes on the 75mm guns of the Panzer IV and Stug III. do the rounds have to be redesigned for the higher velocity?
"Am I the only one who misses getting an honest-to-God book with my computer games?"
No, sir. You are not the only one. I am a couple decades your junior and I, too, miss instruction booklets.
Especially the ones that were written to either be fun or in-universe, like Fallout or Battlezone (the 90s version). They really added something to the game.
@@magdovus I read vanilla WoW's *way* too many times...
Any one remember a game being issued and working out of the box? I remember getting a patch disk and a letter of apology from the maker for having to patch the game to begin with. Oh the good old days.
i guess that's a nice way of telling him he's old, im at least a decade older than him that make me ancient. i to miss the how to books the only game i play now is MS flight sim it would be nice to have a book to tell me how to map all the controls and buttons.
Nope I remember getting Homeworld 1 and the manual told the history of the Mothership’s construction and gave background about all the units
0:00 Introduction
2:21 How do you source reference documents
5:19 Favorite Star Trek ship class
6:03 Any highlights of the Armor and Cavalry Collection
7:44 T58 ammo
12:52 Direct fire doctrine
15:35 Resilience of electronics
16:24 NATO vs Russia tank performance range
18:27 Thoughts on Namer IFV
19:28 Swiss 140mm
20:00 Sherman driveshafts
21:00 New (old) areas of focus for armies
23:42 Mine doctrines
24:49 Damaged/lost equipment
25:30 WTF features on vehicles
26:45 Field modifications made official
28:35 German armor in Operation Unthinkable
29:12 MBT-70 A1 features
30:15 Any odd armored car design
31:13 WW2 ammo management
32:23 Thermals and dismounts
33:12 Turret monster
34:35 Maintenance checklist
35:05 Vehicles sent back in time
36:24 M48 in Vietnam
36:48 Bradley vs T-90
38:41 Light combined arms
40:28 AMX 20mm
42:02 Jagdpanzer 38(t)
42:32 Air vs ground threats
45:05 Front vs theater vs campaign
46:04 Rations
46:59 Cool guns at TH-camr range day
48:52 Need for ACAV
49:57 Why DShKT and not KPVT
51:14 How would Commonwealth designs have fared on the frontline
52:11 Countering AT mines in the Pacific theater
56:10 Cavalry hat models
56:47 HVSS
57:36 Any old MBT to bring back
58:21 Why L7 over T140
59:03 Iraqi M1
1:00:09 US 75mm shaped charge
1:00:34 Tearing your hair out over games
1:01:09 Closing words
First question starts at 2:21 not 0:21
Edit: And you forgot a question at 18:00
@@hothoploink1509 I chose to not include some of the tiny addendums. And the reason the first question is still wrong is because I started with hour-long labels but went back to remove them.
I am sorry I am not as perfect as you
i appreciate you
thank you!
@@Ruija27 Wasn't trying to be a dick, just pointing it out so it could be corrected for other people, sorry if I came across as aggressive or something really wasn't meant that way, always appreciate those who take the time to write timestamps
Officially expressing interest in the "Emotional Support Missile" as a plush in pretty much whatever ends up being the largest size available, that sounds amazing!
Bigger the better!
@@The_New_IKB Attacms seize.
I will be happy with a Shilelagh or hellfire sized plushie, I do want the Stetson attached tho
As far as Bradley max loading capacity as a former Mac infantryman, I can tell you that you are quite correct. The typical max loading is seven, but I spent about half my first NTC rotation stuffed into the hellhole as an eighth man with my leg sticking out into the troop compartment and in Iraq we had three additional seated on the laps of the men on the benches, once or twice we would have a man ride balled up in the floor of the turret between the gun and commander. At one point I believe we put 13 discounts in the back of a Bradley.
The impressive thing about the BTR blown to scrap by the Ukrainian tank at point blank range is that there were at least seven survivors, in a fit state to exit, assess their surroundings, and run like hell in random directions. They did seem a little confused. But in possession of all their body parts. Beyond belief.
I was wondering the same. @The Chieftain: could it be the had a SABOT round in the tube and the thing just went it went through and through. I can't imagian that a HEAT round to side of a BTR would allow anyone to 'walk' away.
The first round fired at the BTR most liekely was an HE round. The large explosion does uggest this as well as the fact that having HE loaded is SOP of the UA tankers. Later the second T-64 does fire a HEAT round at the wreck and the effect is noticable different. Including a clearly visible overpenetrating jet.
Regardless its not unlikely that passengers are only lightly wounded or not wounded at all if an APC is hit or taken out. It depends on hit placement, seating, equipment etc. If the passengers wear protective gear that makes a huge difference for example. Also in a cramped compartment that is full of people and equipment there is a lot that can absorb fragments.
There is footage of an M113 version used by UA troops filmed with body and helmet cams on the attack. The vehicle takes conciderable fire and several RPG hits and is eventually knocked out. The passengers and remaining crew bail and fight on foot. They only lost a few men. The majority of the occupants is not wounded. This is to large parts because they wear protective gear. The helmets and body armor absorb a lot of fragments that otherwise could proove fatal. The fragmentation of the hitting rounds also is rather poor and the thin armor offers little to the jet to interact with. So the hits are pass trough. The vehicle is knocked out because the engine is knocked out by a hit.
Of course a 125 mm HE would have knocked an M113 out just like the BTR. The majority of the passengers are sitting on the other side of the vehicle though. The engine compartment would have absorbed a lot of the blast. What gets trough and the fragments need to pass trough the crew and the stored equipment to reach the passengers. So if you are one of the guys sitting at the back you most likely can bail. The first couple of your mates will have stopped the fragments from reaching you.
AFV are designed to survive being hit and reduce their effect. This does work pretty well. The soviet designed tanks with their problematic ammo placement are an outlier. Most AFV are actually quite sturdy. Just because an impact or explosion does look spectacular this doesn't mean something serious actually happened. An effective hit is virtually indistingishable from an ineffective one. Especially if looking at footage. If a hit was effective can be seen by what happens after the impact. Jets of fire shooting out of every opening and the turret lifing of is a very spectacular giveaway. Its not normal though. Most AFVs will not light up like this.
@@schnuersi I hear you. Those chaps will never be the same again though. Hearing loss just for starters, if only temporary. Concussion surely. They were lucky that the tank didn't laminate the landscape with a machine gun. Presumably because the crew didn't expect to see a target.
I did not expect to see the 11'8" bridge here! I love it!
and a military vehicle
As soon as the question was read I knew that clip was coming
I was Fifty, twenty Two years ago. Just so you know Chieftain,it doesn’t get any better later.
Yeah, approaching 62 here, growing older gets ouchy.
Just turned seventy last July I have to agree.
Have to agree with the other posters, having achieved level 64 myself. Then again, it beats the hell out of the alternative.
Got ya beat by 1 73. I tell people that getting old isn't for sissies.
One of my fears , in my 57th year, is that the things the Army has done to my body will get worse. But as someone said here, beats the alternative.
38:30 I am reminded of some excellent pieces of advice:
Maxim 42: "They'll never expect this," means, "I want to try something stupid."
Maxim 43: If it's stupid and it works, it's still stupid and you're lucky.
From Schlock Mercenary's _Seventy Maxims of Maximally-Effective Mercenaries_
Fun fact, I had the experience of being in a Warfighter exercise with 1st Cav in what must have been '94. As a Spc E-4, I was one of the "operators" inputting orders for telling units what to do. Think playing something like Panzerblitz or whatnot, but instead of you deciding what to do, you're calling on the radio to battalion TOCs bouncing around in the woods of Ft. Cavazos (then Ft. Hood) and they call back with orders they've giving, which got translated to the map system the simulation used which varied a bit from the "real" maps the TOCs were using. The average rank there was probably either Major or Lt. Colonel. So. There I was, doing my job, and the door behind us opens and closes, and an unfamiliar voice says "as you were," and about two seconds later Major General Eric Shinseki plops down next to me and I kid you not, just starts shooting the shit with us. Real down to earth guy, asked about were we getting fed okay, etc. (I place it at '94 because Shinseki commanded 1st Cav from Mar '94 to Jul '95, and I got out in July of '95 and it was a summer I don;t think was that close to me getting out.) Great experience, if I'd had more like that I'd have stayed in.
I for one also miss the booklet with my games. Thx for the q&a sir!
Winchester was real on the M4A2 during Tarawa on Betio the Marines learned they needed more places to store ammo on board the tanks. Fighting on an island so small rifle fire could reach across from shore to shore meant during daylight it was very hard to upload rounds into a tank.
15:50 Solid state electronics & hits. Most electronics don't like shock waves. If they're insulated from shock then they will keep on working, but shock itself will often destroy electronic components or wreck joints, either outright breaking the components (especially diodes and chips) or creating dry joints randomly across boards which will be erratic in failure.
I guess it would be impractical to "pot" (i.e. cover the electronics with epoxy resin) all of the electronics if you require to service them.
Welcome to the 50+ club!
5 weeks I join you as well.
I cant wait for the next Inside the hatch and museums tours.
Anti-personel munitions attached to the sides of tanks?
HAMMER'S SLAMMERS!
RIP David Drake.
RIP!!!! Only a matter of time before the RCWS mounts get turned into tribarrels that shoot at drones and other air threats!
@@MM22966 20cm power guns, tribarrels, buzz bombs...
I'm waiting for hover tanks, myself.
@@dwrdwlsn5 I'm just amazed he called so many thing accurately (adjusted for scifi expectations) for something written in the 1980's.
As another example, the Israelis are putting in a "smartscreen" for their Merkava tanks that sounds a lot the Slammer tank 360/multi-sensor displays from the books.
Even the Slammer's themselves are echoed by modern PMC-type mercs such Executive Outcomes, Blackwater, and Wagner.
One of the best cheap footpath book basket finds ever.
@@jameshealy4594 yep, him and Keith Laumer were my go to military sci-fi as a kid. Always found more in the used book store by my school.
Kind of a tossup, actually which I liked more. The Slammers or the Bolo tanks... hmmm... memories.
King tiger hulls, IS or T series tanks as far as I'm aware, never came with inertial dampeners. So 5ft of sudden unexpected rearward movement will certainly have been a severe emotional event on its own independent of following spalling etc.
There was a recent video of a Russian tank with a mine roller getting hit by a Javelin. The commander and gunner jumped clear & were unhurt. The driver....not so much.
I am ashamed to admit my first thought on seeing it was to hear Chieftain's voice saying: *Bloody hell, the driver's on fire....*
Re the bridge height at 18:25
I wish it was a vehicle industry wide legal requirement to have the vehicle dimensions and, on heavier vehicles, also axle/boggie load min/max in illuminated text on the dash board or etched into the side window by the drivers side side mirror so that you are able to read it as you see a vehicle dimension restricted sign coming up instead of having to stop, find the manual, locate the table where it's hidden and then find out if your newly assigned vehicle will fit...
You can't fix stupid
Don’t remember which article it was, but several NV systems use “green scale” since (supposedly) the human eye is able to see more shades of green than other colors.
EDIT: I too appreciate the guides games came with, fun bit of fluff
I adored the actual world map that came with Elder Scrolls Morrowind. Nothing was labeled instead every land feature & building was on the map in proper scale to game world.
35:05 I remember reading an article by Dean Ing in his book "Firefight 2000" about how the US military would react to recovering a modern ramjet-powered missile that had fallen through a convenient time warp after launch and wound up in (I think) 1939, suffering a failure during transit and being recovered. The 'engine' would show heat effects that showed that it had been running, but as a simple tube with no moving parts, there would be no obvious way for it to operate. The warhead would be understandable (assuming a conventional explosive), but the guidance system would be completely opaque; the technology of the time would not be up to the task of distinguishing the minute patterns of impurities in the impossibly-pure material of the integrated circuits on the circuit boards.
The principle of the ramjet would probably have been understandable to engineers in 1939. It's more likely that they'd be stumped by the materials needed to survive the heat loads within the missile's operating regime.
Ramjets were understood in the 1930s. Circuit boards certainly existed. Microchips and transistors would have been a mystery.
Never clicked faster in my life, been waiting for a Q&A for a while. So glad to see it return.
I went to the NAACC after a meeting at Moore wrapped up early. They were closing down for the day so I thought I was out of luck, but got to talk to the curator. I asked him some questions about how much of the Aberdeen Ordnance Center collection had made it to him, then looked into the parking lot, saw some very obvious rangefinder ears, and said "Holy crap that's the T29."
He had mercy on me and took me on a 30 minute walk through the collection. It was the closest I will ever come to walking through a World of Tanks garage in real life.
I must confess it is very validating to hear you speak of your thesis and research in ways that very much reflect my own experiences. In the last few months I completed my MA history thesis, for which I did research in two separate archival visits, each only two day of time in the archives because of time constraints.
If I could have changed anything about the process it would have been in the research stage because in my short time I went through using my phone and took photos of correspondence and other primary sources (totaling just over 2k photos) I fortunately had advice from my advisor and made sure that every single one of those photos had the box and folder info on it. Even still finding quotes in that mess, dictating and editing them, and unfortunately having to source alternate quotes to replace ones I could no longer find was my personal hell.
In the end however I was very proud of my work, and I am grateful to have undertaken it, despite the difficulties. My thesis made me a far better writer and was on a topic worth exploring.
I can only wish you the best of luck on your thesis, and express my gratitude to hear you speak of yours. I hope one day to read your thesis, it sounds fascinating!
100% with you on the wishing games would came with an actual book in the box. I still fondly remember the copy of "Claw Marks" from the original Wing Commander.
The interesting thing for my MRE consumption in the Air Force: if I had done my daily job as a computer operator and all I had were those, I would soon be on the Fat Boy program because they contained far more calories than my daily needs. I did not hump a rucksack or carry a weapon.
Lifting boxes of paper into the printer or putting a magnetic tape up on a tape drive was not too strenuous at my first duty station. Vacuuming and mopping the subfloor on my stomach was the most exercise I got, and I only did that once in 2 years.
My second duty station resolved down to 15 minutes of work in an 8-hour shift - changing one audit trail tape for another and typing one command on the computer console. That was after we got rid of the Sperry RPG-II computer with punch cards. 😴
Timestamps:
2:20 How he finds documents
5:16 Favorite Starfleet Ship with caveats
6:05 How things get to collections, if they surprise him and appreciations
7:45 155mm t58 HEAT and HEP
12:49 Doctrine on indirect fire
15:35 Reliability of modern tank electronics
16:25 Performance vs Cursing Range on tanks NATO vs Russia
17:53 Knock externally mounted equipment on low hanging obstacles
18:26 Thoughts on Mamer IFV
19:27 Information on Swiss 140mm
20:00 Sherman getting M18 driveshaft
20:58 Army retaking on electronic warfare
23:40 Different mine clearing doctrines
24:50 Tank crew if equipment is blown off
25:30 Item on tank that doesn't make sense
26:45 Field modifications that became official
28:33 Operation Unthinkable Hypothetical
29:10 MBTA Upgrades
29:48 Irish language lesson
30:15 interesting armored car design chooses
31:14 Question on ammunition capacity
32:22 Red vs Green thermal imager
32:40 Dismounts when vehicle is knocked out
33:11 Turret monster less risk if at slower speed
33:24 Breach monster equivalent
33:34 Open top more thorough maintenance than closed top vehicles
35:06 M48A3, M41 and M553 sent back to WW2
36:27 Effectiveness of M48 in Vietnam
36:46 2 Bradelys vs T90
38:39 Thoughts on combined arm light formation
40:28 Thoughts on AMX 20mm
42:03 Why Jagdpanzer 38t over Mauder 3
42:31 Threat matrix shift from ground to air for US armor, others
45:05 Difference between Front, Theater and Campaign
46:04 Tanker preferred rations
46:56 Chieftan in other TH-camr's content
48:51 Can of Worms
49:41 Belgen Picker is modern Dotter
49:55 Dishka vs KPD on tanks
51:12 Commonwealth tanks in WW2 if fielded
52:07 Why no official response to Japanese magnetic mines
56:10 Model of cavalry hat is it
56:47 Sherman with HVSS and bulldozer blade
56:55 Why no HVSS for M36 conversions from M10
57:06 Bring back to production an MBT
58:10 Why L7 over T140
59:03 Iraqi M1s
1:00:09 Shape charge for M4
1L00:35 Frustrating game
1:00:52 Rant about lack of game manuals
I miss the instruction books, and also miss the cardboard thing that unfolded to go over/around the keyboard with reminders of what all the keys did; like all the various Microprose flight sims came with
Possibly interesting fact: As early as the late 1980s the West German army worked on a 40+ ton IFV that became the 44to Marder 2 (Prototype only) in 1991. Had the Cold War not ended this would be the base for the next gen german IFV (likely with a added ATGM launcher).
I had a chance to fold my 190cm/120kg frame into the rear of the prototype in Koblenz some years ago and found it useable
I feel you. I miss getting stuff with the game. The cool ones were the Wing Commander games. A few of them hid little things on the disk for you to find. I think it was Armada that had a little shipboard newspaper to read with all kinds of stories and news about the crew. Just an awesome touch.
Footnote Hell is a real thing. I feel your pain.
Regarding the rear driving position on the GMC Fox and the trust between front brake-and-peddle driver vs. rear steering wheel driver - I can think of at least one circumstance where I was controlling the peddles while my girlfriend operated the steering wheel. A certain level of trust was definitely required.
It was nice to hear about your experience at NARA, I am going to the French Armament archives at Châtellerault in a week and will take your advice to focus on taking pictures instead of reading, it's about 25 boxes to see with just 4 days in the archives.
42:02 I would also think that Airburst Artillery and Air attack were the reasons for the Hetzer Development over the Marder. Because the same people very clearly ordered their new IFV for the new Bundeswehr to be fully enclosed. Granted, that was also for the protection from the "heat" of a nuclear strike, but also for protection from shrapnel.
No you are definitely not the only one! I loved reading through my Wizardry Gold and Homeworld manuals!!
Hooray! Q n A is back! Ok here goes with a couple of WAG's on things you said you were not sure of but my brain immediately came up with before the question for you.
1. Powder Zoning, possibly having powder increments that could be removed for whatever reason?
2. The slot on Sentinel....possibly for a large poison gas filter for the entire crews use with umbilical cords instead of replacement filters to extend time in the contaminated zone before needing to pull out due to filter failure(though what happened if said filter is hit by something is beyond me.)
Finally question the question. You mentioned the 155 HEAT calculations could punch thru 16 inches of armor at 0 degrees and 8 inches at 60 degrees. Ok so should I be able to get this weapon system and have the rounds produced then drag it behind something.....just how loud will Ryan on USS NEW JERSEY scream "Quit poking holes in my damn boat!!!! It's a historic artifact!!!" Or would the Battleships STS steel be too much for it?
Pretty sure those figures are for RHA (rolled homogeneous armour for anyone new) which is (to my understanding) basically mild steel, face hardened battleship armour with a bunch of fancy alloying elements would be an entirely different matter. Might be a good question for Drach or Ryan though!
Questionable at putting holes in the belt armour. Everything else is having a bad day.
155 HEAT vs Battleship armour is a little sketchy. 16 inch belt armour is more a target than reality. Belt armour is not easy to make consistent thickness, its checked by wieght. So some areas may be closer to 17 inch, others closer to 15 inch. I suspect your effect would vary somewhat.
Your likely effect on target is small holes with minimal effect on the ship capabilities due to internal compartments and size. Volume of fire would be needed to achieve significant impact, and this provides time for the battleship to violently object with high velocity person sized lumps of steel and HE.
The main issue is you need to let water in the bottom or hit a magazine for a kill on a battleship, and it turns out that the underwater armour is very well prtected from HEAT shells.
@@chasler1741 Was thinking sliding in ALA USS Laffey 1 at night till I'm below the angles of depression and popping away like they did against ISE I think may have been.
The Sentinel one is just an air vent. You would want to clear fumes from near the coax and 2pdr, its form is a little unusual probably as a result of trying to keep an unobstructed view for the commander and meet a requirement that the tank be protected from molotov and fire weapons. If you ever climb inside one you should see the armoured baffles are not fully welded to the turret sides and you could stick you fingers into it if you wanted to, I didn't as there were too many spider webs present and I'm not that foolhardy.
@@bettongmi4340 thanks for the explanation and yeah not sticking my fingers into a bunch of spider webs either.
To be fair, the Kpz-70s 20mm gun is a dedicated turret on top, similar to the little .50 cal turrets on top of the current tanks, and it appears that the 20 and even 30mm gun turrets reappear, as a ammo saver against smaller targets and against drones.
Thank you, Nicholas. A great review of many questions
Interesting the TH-cam notification just arrived
Yeah man? For me too...
found it on tiwtter but couldnt find it anywhereelse
For bridges taking the weight of heavy military machines, for older masonry arch bridges at least, the Military Engineering Experimental Establishment (MEXE) method of bridge assessment was developed by Alfred Pippard from Imperial College London just after WW2. I'd be interested to know if its still used today for quick combat assessments.
There are photos of APG with a RR siding with a good dozen King Tiger hulls stacked in rows.
Enjoyed the Q n A. My pitch for a question for the next one. Which WW2 vehicle would have the most relevancy on the modern battlefield?
M15/M16 or Wirblewind/Ostwind for anti-drone work.
@@jarink1 you would use an SPAA to shoot down drones? Lmao welcome to Pentagon
@@derrickstorm6976 Gepard has been highly effective in that mission in Ukraine. Not all of them are converted DJIs.
SPGs. Tube artillery is tube artillery. The sighting and laying systems have become much more sophisticated but the guns would still be recognizable to gunners from the Somme or Meuse-Argonne
@@derrickstorm6976 LAMO there are more types of drones besides small battlefront FPV quadcopters. Obviously SPAA would not be (cost) effective against those, but could be useful defending against larger models like Lancet or Shahed.
18:47 Another RvB reference, and one that you have to dig DEEP for at that. I may not be in the 50+ club yet but I'm getting there and catching that reference is just evidence to that fact.
chupa... chupa... chupathingy
Correction, Chieftain: The M1A1 AIM SA is not a "fully digitized" tank. It's still an analog tank with (in US service) a digital battle command applique (BFT/FBCB2/NCR/JBC-P). The US M1A2/M1A2 SEP series are the "fully digitized" tanks, possessing the 1553 data bus and digital electronic engine and turret controls. As an aside, remember that AIM (Abrams Integrated Management) is a production process, not a configuration -- it's the process by which an older tank starts teardown at Anniston Army Depot and is eventually delivered as a "new" tank by GDLS out of JSMC Lima. SA is the situational awareness identifier for possessing a second-generation long wave Gunner's Primary Sight. Battle command systems aside, the M1A1 AIM SAs in US, Iraqi, Australia, Moroccan, and now Ukrainian service are essentially the same. The M1A2X series now in foreign service are evolutions of the M1A1 architecture and are not fully digitized tanks either, though they've gained a lot of the capability bells & whistles (CITV, LP CROWS) of the US SEP series. The last M1A1 AIM SAs will retire from US service in 2025, though the analog hull architecture will soldier on in the M1150 ABV and M1074 JAB.
Well, Sir, I was sort of quoting the Army article of the time. www.army.mil/article/64944/iraqi_army_receives_last_shipment_of_abrams_tanks
I figured it was close enough. If I recall my AIMS NET training correctly, though the main components were all analogue, they all had digital encoder interfaces attached to them so that the tank's computer system could understand their status. Hence, digitized, though not digital. (Trying to save myself, here)
Great Q&A as always ! Look forward to the next.
I'm joining in to say that I, too, quite liked the booklets and other extras that used to come with games. My favourite is still Rise of Flight, which came with a proper full-size map of WWI-era France complete with all of the airfields and towns.
Clive Palmer gets a roasting by the Chieftain (kind of).... good drills, Nic.
Another really awesome round of answers! Something I just wanted to point out since I think it's neat: In answering my question regarding the T58's ammo, you mentioned a test performed on an M36. Something I think is really cool (albeit not directly related to the question) is that the vehicle in the photo appears to actually be a (the?) 76mm Gun Motor Carriage T72; you can see the very small bustle, the configuration of the lifting eyes on the mantlet (on the upper corners rather than along the upper edge) and the distinct flat-faced mantlet itself taken from the T23 design.
I don't mean this as a "gotcha!", but more just to point out the appearance of this really neat oddity in the tests!
Glad you mentioned DTIC. A great source for tech info. You’ll be pleased to know that even Chinese PLA Military standards cite the DTIC.
About rebuilding lost vehicles: Here in Italy a group of volunteers (with a keen encouragement from the Army) built and run the third FIAT 2000 "fortress tank", once the two of 1919-era disappeared in Lybia.
Nicely done
Outstanding again!!
57:00 I actually know that one. There was a desire to upgrade M36s with HVSS, or at least wider tracks with duckbills. Problem was that the production of HVSS units, tracks and everything just wasnt nearly enough to upgrade all Shermans, nevermind other vehicles, so the E9 modification was applied instead, which was putting the VVSS units on a standoff so theyre spaced far enough from the hull to put duckbill end connectors on both sides of the track and get nearly the same track width as the HVSS track.
Hey Nick.
Yes - I remember well the year I spent researching my Thesis. Keep in mind here that in the late '70's - the only people with computers were Banks, the Government and such.
I borrowed a thousand bucks from my parents to get me through the summer when my job as a teaching assistant didn't exist and spent the days at the Library Xeroxing articles from think tanks and the government.
I had worked for the Copy Machine Company in the Library - before and - after I did my research when I really could have used being able to make free copies - but so it goes. I've still got all that stuff that's been in storage for 30 years.
I can remember using the Card Catalog - when it was actually little 3x5 cards in these tiny but deep wooden pull out drawers in the library.
I sometimes research the TH-cam Comments I make and it is a different story from 1979.
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Good luck with the Masters. Make sure you have at least two backups of your data.
Yes.Pick up the big tin can and shake it around until the squishy things stick to the pointy bits inside.
Looking forward to more!!
Finally more Q&A, some of the most interesting videos imo :)
Woo Hoo! Another Q&A!
US Military command: Alright marines, you are going into jungle warfare, so travel light, and don't bring too much DAKKA, these are close infantry battles.
USMC: We are only bringing the bare minimum firepower for this, so load up the tanks....
I don't think the marines understand the concept of "too much DAKKA", because there is ALWAYS room for more firepower.
One can never have TOO much firepower at their disposal......
Dere's no such fing as too much dakka.
Will you publish the thesis when done?
The Achilles class, that ship class has a very special place in my life, it was finding it and wanting to learn more about it that got me into Star Trek RP writing on the now long defunct forums of Megiddo Trek, I own the people there the fact I managed to actually learn English. My first character Ozuu took the helm of the USS Knight an Achilles class battlecruiser and ever since I have been writing.
With the mention of you playing an Astra militarum army
What Warhammer 40,000 vehicle is your favorite
And if you have the time what is your favorite vehicle of each faction (space marines, guard, orks, tau, etc)
Oh, I thought it's another old video, great!
Great vid. Completely feel the comment about hitting 50 and the warranty expires.
T29 ON THUMBNAIL RAHHHHHHH 🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥‼️🦅🦅
Turret monster.... yeah we used to have a radar turret at a museum kids could play on - my sneakered foot slipped onto the ring and started to be crushed, and there was no way of stopping, luckily the sneaker deformed enough I could pulled my foot out - the turret was several if not 5 ton! Yes it did bloody hurt and I had to hobble home!
4:00 I always photograph the slip for the document as my first photo from any archive document. At the UK National Archives each file is issued to a reader with a yellow slip that includes the reference. The online catalogue gives fairly good details from the reference.
57:00 1945-50 french Re Manufacturing of M10, used bogies, idlers and drive sprockets spaced out six inches per side, and tracks were fitted with end extenders/ grouser/ duckbill on either side of the track. The side guards were modified to accommodate the width.
These vehicles were deployed to northern borders of Vietnam to discourage Chinese intervention.
I'm not sure King Tiger Hulls were the best target. As I understand it the armor quality was inferior to earlier tanks because, due to shortages, they had to use substitute ingredients in the armor. I've also read that Soviet tests found King Tiger armor to be more brittle as a result of the substitutions.
I wasn't surprised by anything at the Armor and Cavalry Collection, but after watching The Chieftain's video tours of various museums and his comments about Goliaths being in them, I was surprised that the Tankodrome was the exception.
That's a good observation, actually.
I am 62 now, and yes, the bodies' warranties expire when you hit 50. Unfortunately, it gets worse. Takes longer to heal when injured can't fight off colds as quickly ect ect..
Good to see that Q&A's are back, I have a question an answer would be appreciated for; in the past you've made reference to a training exercise where T32's were moved from one base to another in order to get some real world experience of how pre-built infrastructure would be able to cope with heavy tanks with the results being disappointing. In comparison the T28 was nearly twice the weight and had it been deployed to Europe as intended it would've had to deal with infrastructure and terrain that would've been in much worse condition and would have presumably severely hindered progress, my question therefore is was there any consideration for how T28 would've actually coped with making its way to the front lines and what sort of specialist support would it have required, or was it just presumed they'd make the tank first and work out that stuff when it got to Europe, any response would be much appreciated, cheers
Oh hell yeah,return of the king! 👑
I could still detect a hint of denial about the drone situation during this :>
As long as you have all the drawings, you can 3d print all the parts for anything. They do it for Duesenbergs and have done for the Colt M1911 pistol, so you can get any tank done, for an enormous price.
Great stuff
With the Fox, perhaps the idea was that if you were having to drive backwards already, the only speed you’d need was flat out! And you’d keep reversing until you hit something or were hit!
Have you heard of or played Star Fleet Battles? It's a Table top TOS series Game with either cardboard counters or with ship models. It was first published by Tasl Force Games in 1979, it is now made and distributed by Amarillo Design Bureau.
If my memory is not completely wrong, around 1976 when the army was evaluating the design for the XM1 comparing a Chrysler version (turbine engine), GM version (traditional diesel), and the Leopard 2AV, live rounds were fired at all 3 tanks. The main reason was to evaluate their armor protection, not their ability for the electronics to survive a hit. But someone must have noticed whether they could still function or not after the testing. Although its possible they were tested to failure (destruction). At one point this live fire test was a requirement for all new combat vehicles. If the vehicle was advertised as being able to survive a hit from a .50 cal (12.7 mm) then by God it better survive a hit. Although the manufacturer generally got to choose the place of impact.
I miss the books. Shadow empire has a great book that comes in a PDF that I read on my iPad.
15:00 That sounds like the remote version of a drill jumbo.
3:00 is that the fabled sekrit documents that i see? awesome content as always
I do miss those booklets
California class!!
RE: Tank Ammo Carried. I assume that the 70+ number could be down to tanks of the era needing multiple hits to get a kill. After quite a few misses as well. There is also the issue of tanks having to take on infantry and thin skinned vehicles. Neither of which an AP round would be much use against. So it could be down just to needing to carry as much HE as AP rounds.
There is also the issue of having enough different types of round so if the minimum need is, say, 40 rounds of AP you will also want to have say 20 rounds of HE and 10 of smoke. You don’t want to find yourself with 70 rounds of AP and meet dug in AT weapons and no smoke to hide you/obscure them nor HE to engage them leaving you with just high speed pointy sticks to throw at them.
On the WW2 ammo thing, I've noted that I tend to be more or less conservative with things depending upon how long I expect it to be before I can get more. I wonder if completely running out wasn't strictly necessary for capacity to be a problem.
1:00:50 nah Im with you. I loved reading through the little booklets that game with games, like half-life for example. I know a few games do have stylized pdfs
the latest EMBT (KNDS) marks the return of the 20mm coaxial, plus a 30mm remotely controlled on top of the turret
Regarding the question of an MBT70A1, I think another possibility would have been the replacement of the AVCR-1360 engine with the AGT-1500 gas turbine. I have no documentation pointing to such a project, but it seems logical to assume that this would have been a possibility considering that the concept of a gas turbine in a tank had many proponents in that period.
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Indeed. The Japanese 13mm round is basically a copy of the 13,2x99mm Hotchkiss.
If the gun still has the original barrel I wonder how the conversion was made. Since an unfired .50cal bullet has a diameter of 13mm and an unfired 13,2mm bullet has a diameter of 13,5mm, a barrel sleeve of 2,5mm wall thickness could be possible, but I'm just not sure if that's how it's done.
"Powder Zoning" is, I suspect, another name for the variable charges you see in 155mm howitzers, where if you get, for example, one of the old "green bag" charges, it had segments 1-5. The firing tables for these charges would allow you to fire a shell with all five segments, or if you wanted to fire the shell on a slower velocity and get into those hard to reach defilades, you could fire only the first three or four segments. This means however that you have eleven different firing tables per shell type, and it's a big fat book that you won't wanna mess with for a direct fire long barrel gun. Better to use a simple single type of bagged charge like a naval gun, or a semi-fixed two piece round.
And the FM 6-40... well, subtlety is for crunchies who don't have artillery.
38T and Marder 3 .. DEC 1944 VT fuse is allocated for artillery as bad as air bursts were they got worse on the receiving end .
Thank you for sharing the into on the 155 tests! The T29/T30/T34 family are my favorite tanks, and learning any of the US heavy prototype info is always awesome. Do you know of any good publicly available resources for them?
Sourcing is hard
If you look up the 105mm M67 HEAT round you can and will end up with 3 different figures for perforation. And yet all of the sources are various US Government publications. The difference between sources is down to different conditions under which the figure is generated.
As for tanks in Vietnam pick up a copy of Tank Sergeant by Ralph Zumbro. It details his year in Nam as a tanker
I’m kinda wondering if we would ever see an “Aegis” like system for ground use. Like every auto cannon vehicle in an armored brigade gets linked up to a network of special radar vehicle and it could take over all the guns if any aerial threats are detected. Seems like the only way to realistically deal with future threats like drone swarm
I, too, wish for a return of the days when you got a hardcopy instruction manual ... for everything.
After all, how frustrating was it to buy an item to go on the internet ... and be told to go on the internet to use it?
I see that you have MY SHILLELAGH from my M551. Did you work on an M551?? I was in the 6th ACR in the late 60's
re the 20mm 'fashion' for the tanks, I always guessed it was a fear of bmps (and those atgms) and t72s working together-you want the ap for the tank, but that's less effective against the bmp. A stretch but as I said, it's a guess.
IIRC the Centurion MkI Polsten cannon was as a result of noting how much main gun ammunition was being expended upon soft targets which did not really merit a main gun HE round. And while one was at it why not give it more elevation for urban self protection? The final conclusion was to keep it simple and just give the coax a shed load of ammunition to freely brass up the neighbourhood at will. Plus you can brass up your own tanks to keep the enemy off them without doing too much by way of SIW.
Love the channel Chieftain
I have a tank ammo question.
You explain the difficulty with getting a good high explosive round for the 76mm gun due to the velocity of the round. My question is do the Germans have the same problems when lengthening the gun tubes on the 75mm guns of the Panzer IV and Stug III. do the rounds have to be redesigned for the higher velocity?