I am not sure why needing to record raw externally to an Atomos is much of a problem, considering that you need a monitor to be able to use the Komodo anyway.
Thanks for this comparison! Covered all the camera's I've been looking to get. I do feel you ignored RED not having good continuous auto focus after destroying the s1h for that feature. I also do think the Blackmagic 6k has a better image than the 4k but I agree that the 4k is a lot more versatile and probably a better investment for the average user. Thanks for this!
I suppose if my local coffee shop commercial needed RAW I'd go with the RED, but it doesn't! But honestly I feel the internal RAW is the Komodo's only selling point other than resolution. If you need that RAW, there's your answer. FX6 definitely is the jack of all trades here IMO. Which is what appeals to me.
I haven't owned the Komodo but I did the Z-cam which minus the codecs is very similar. Now shoot with a Canon C70, I loved my Z-cam, but indeed you are gonna need like the Komodo many, many, many accessories. ND's, Grips, cage, monitor etc - and you need them ALLL THE TME. Thats the missing part about the Komodo that never really talked about YET. The C70 has very all in one. Now,, you can add the accessories that you do with the Komodo, but you always have the option not to.
The price difference... depends. If you are just wanting a low light beast then A7Siii is your one stop shop. But as far as full body Reds go, you absolutely cannot go wrong with a Gemini, and it would be my choice. Although the picture quality of the Komodo in well lit conditions is on par with all of its bigger brothers and sisters. As far as the best A cam for under 25K... it’s a difficult one. But one thing to note that high end cameras require a lot more then just the body/brain of the camera. So for the Gemini, although 25K you will find you are spending another 10k to rig it out. As with the Komodo, being only 6K once rigged out and usable is close to 10K... just the C.Fast cards alone can be very expensive. So, that’s something to keep in-mind. It also matters what your B cam is, and matching it to the A cam.
I can’t decide between the bmpcc 6k pro , s1h, or c70 for run and gun handheld shooting for narratives/docs with a 70-200 with a shotgun attached!! Helpppp
The bmpcc 6k pro has the same image quality as the 6k version. It has some improvements you mind find useful for your needs like built in nds, dual mini xlr ports... one I like a lot is the timecode clock! But the bmpcc 6k pro will have lots of the same drawbacks like the original. So it would not be an ideal camera for run and gun. S1h offers very high quality image, and is geared in my opinion towards slower narrative productions rather then run and gun. Not the best auto focus, and a rolling shutter that might be a problem on a handheld doco. Also no nd filters. The c70 has built in nds, good rolling shutter as I remember, good ergonomics for a shotgun mic and handheld work, with its included top handle. Ibis, and I assume you are talking about a canon lens so the RF mount and awesome autofocus. RF is really the future of canon lenses so you should also consider the lenses, as they heavily influence image quality, and can be quite expensive. But they also make a good investment so you want to make sure you get lenses that will last you, so which mount you go with is very important in that regard. RF is a very versatile mount, with amazing canon glass, especially for handheld work as lots of them have IS, so a top choice. I think as far as image quality they all perform on par, it more depends which color science and look u prefer. Also remember through color grading you will be able to push those looks to resemble what ever camera you like. Obviously Raw with the 6k will help a lot in that regard. That being said in my opinion the 6k pro is still an outdated camera. And if you don’t mind not having raw... c70 is the jack of all trades.
Also, I should have mentioned that I would consider the komodo. But I just dont like how it crops at lower resolution. Should I consider ?! Or is it not as run and gun
@@pkonttinen I would consider it. Although it doesn’t have IBIS or NDs it’s a very riggable camera with plenty of options for handles, and with global shutter it produces very clear handheld images and is going to be superior to rolling shutter when stabilized in post. But the c70 would have it beat for run and gun. That camera is just made for doco work in my opinion. It just depends what’s more important to you. That little better, more Hollywood movie like image quality. Or ease of use and in camera features. As far as the crop, unless you going to do higher frame rates, for which the Komodo is not the best for, I just always shoot in 6k... but you do need to have a computer that can handle it. You have three choices of quality with raw and I find LQ even on 6k will give me a good amount of record time even on a 256 cfast card.
@@nationalvideography2034 Thanks so much for these replies. Decide for me :)) I generally shoot 90-120 minutes on a big day of shooting and I hate messing with anything technical. Im rarely ever even white balancing :/ I focus all my extra energy on the sound stuff I have on actors to make sure its working, etc. The Komodo looks legit, if you think I can handle the workflow on an M1 computer and I can get good audio with its pre amps through a shotgun mic. I think its between the bmpcc 6k pro, the komodo, and the c70.
It's amazing how far people go to justify the C70. The Fx6 is tiny, nothing to do with fx9, at least it has some form of raw! I feel Canon at these point is just unethical. The Komodo seems like a good choice. You just like the c70, At the price a second komodo is the best B cam. Or a Fx6 A7siii combo and save some money
Fx6 is an awesome camera, and paired with an a7Siii would be a great set up. But specially for gimbal work C70 does have a better form factor, and I do prefer Canon color. For versatility I would rather a B cam with better autofocus to pair with the Komodo. But a second Komodo would make sense for some people too. Canon definitely have some explaining to do.
@@nationalvideography2034 I have seen multiple videos of people mounting their fx6 on Ronin S and Ronin SC2. They all mention that the gimbal was handling it perfectly.
Your reasons for A7siii not being a netflix approved is wrong lol. It doesn't have timecode and it's UHD not DCI4k that's the reason. You can record prores RAW without any sharpening or denoising to atomos.
Hahaha... love it.... As far as sound the only thing I need from a camera is timecode so I can use something like a Zoom F6 for sound acquisition, and strongly recommend it. Absolutely, not great with high frame rates, that’s why a good B cam (or A) would have those. Honestly unless it’s the new Sony or Canon autofocus, I’m never going to use it, and C300 is just too big to chuck on a gimbal.
If only looking at the image quality I agree the 6k has it beat. But, there’s some great anamorphic lenses for the 4K m4/3 mount, and because of that I feel it will have more longevity in your kit as a special purpose cam. While the 6k as an A cam has become outdated in its dynamic range and rolling shutter. Personally, I have never seen that much difference in image quality between the two. I stand by what I said, if you are going to go that route in 2021 save yourself some money and go for the 4K.
@@nationalvideography2034 The Pocket 6k has more dynamic range than people on youtube realize. It seriously outperforms just about anything in highlight sensitivity when using highlight recovery, so I don't agree with you there. I find that people who don't get the most out of the camera like I do is due to one of two factors: either improper exposure technique, or improper correction of raw footage. Don't get it twisted, the Pocket 4k has a great image for sure, but I think the 6k has more dynamic range, and for me that is a priority. All other aspects I can deal with.
@@leebrandt8597 cined puts it .2 stops more then the 4K... but that’s very interesting that you find it a whole stop more... it definitely is a beast of a camera... I have always loved bmpcc footage 4K or 6K!
Really big thanks. You deserve my subcribe.
I am not sure why needing to record raw externally to an Atomos is much of a problem, considering that you need a monitor to be able to use the Komodo anyway.
S1H is the best of the lot.
Agreed. I don't know who switches to panasonic thinking auto-focus will be great
Is it better than bmcc 6k? When it comes to movie making? I am confused which one to buy
ARRI doesn't even have autofocus. Does that mean it's worse than the S1H? Autofocus is only necessary for vloggers.
Exactly
Thanks for this comparison! Covered all the camera's I've been looking to get. I do feel you ignored RED not having good continuous auto focus after destroying the s1h for that feature. I also do think the Blackmagic 6k has a better image than the 4k but I agree that the 4k is a lot more versatile and probably a better investment for the average user. Thanks for this!
Right , Even s1h got a way to use braw who knows zcam is the next and if that happens with e2 f6 probably will be the best combination
Great comedy sketch dude.
Thanks man
I think this camera C70 canon is the best camera of the year
The Sony FX6 was the best investment ever.
I suppose if my local coffee shop commercial needed RAW I'd go with the RED, but it doesn't! But honestly I feel the internal RAW is the Komodo's only selling point other than resolution. If you need that RAW, there's your answer. FX6 definitely is the jack of all trades here IMO. Which is what appeals to me.
I haven't owned the Komodo but I did the Z-cam which minus the codecs is very similar. Now shoot with a Canon C70, I loved my Z-cam, but indeed you are gonna need like the Komodo many, many, many accessories. ND's, Grips, cage, monitor etc - and you need them ALLL THE TME. Thats the missing part about the Komodo that never really talked about YET. The C70 has very all in one. Now,, you can add the accessories that you do with the Komodo, but you always have the option not to.
The Pocket 6K is a beast. A shame it was dismissed so quickly.
agreed... great cameras!
Is the RED gemini worth the price difference to the Komodo if you need a solid A cam? What would you recommend for the best A cam under 25k?
The price difference... depends. If you are just wanting a low light beast then A7Siii is your one stop shop. But as far as full body Reds go, you absolutely cannot go wrong with a Gemini, and it would be my choice. Although the picture quality of the Komodo in well lit conditions is on par with all of its bigger brothers and sisters.
As far as the best A cam for under 25K... it’s a difficult one. But one thing to note that high end cameras require a lot more then just the body/brain of the camera. So for the Gemini, although 25K you will find you are spending another 10k to rig it out. As with the Komodo, being only 6K once rigged out and usable is close to 10K... just the C.Fast cards alone can be very expensive.
So, that’s something to keep in-mind.
It also matters what your B cam is, and matching it to the A cam.
National Videography Makes sense! Thanks man!
I have a Komodo and a S1H and I agree with you completely but I thinks you may have shat on the S1h a bit hard lol
S1H… love that camera! lol
I can’t decide between the bmpcc 6k pro , s1h, or c70 for run and gun handheld shooting for narratives/docs with a 70-200 with a shotgun attached!! Helpppp
The bmpcc 6k pro has the same image quality as the 6k version. It has some improvements you mind find useful for your needs like built in nds, dual mini xlr ports... one I like a lot is the timecode clock!
But the bmpcc 6k pro will have lots of the same drawbacks like the original. So it would not be an ideal camera for run and gun.
S1h offers very high quality image, and is geared in my opinion towards slower narrative productions rather then run and gun. Not the best auto focus, and a rolling shutter that might be a problem on a handheld doco. Also no nd filters.
The c70 has built in nds, good rolling shutter as I remember, good ergonomics for a shotgun mic and handheld work, with its included top handle. Ibis, and I assume you are talking about a canon lens so the RF mount and awesome autofocus.
RF is really the future of canon lenses so you should also consider the lenses, as they heavily influence image quality, and can be quite expensive. But they also make a good investment so you want to make sure you get lenses that will last you, so which mount you go with is very important in that regard. RF is a very versatile mount, with amazing canon glass, especially for handheld work as lots of them have IS, so a top choice.
I think as far as image quality they all perform on par, it more depends which color science and look u prefer.
Also remember through color grading you will be able to push those looks to resemble what ever camera you like. Obviously Raw with the 6k will help a lot in that regard.
That being said in my opinion the 6k pro is still an outdated camera. And if you don’t mind not having raw... c70 is the jack of all trades.
@@nationalvideography2034 thank u so much. Wow. I will do c70 as long as I can get the same quality image as bmpcc 6k pro :))
Also, I should have mentioned that I would consider the komodo. But I just dont like how it crops at lower resolution. Should I consider ?! Or is it not as run and gun
@@pkonttinen I would consider it. Although it doesn’t have IBIS or NDs it’s a very riggable camera with plenty of options for handles, and with global shutter it produces very clear handheld images and is going to be superior to rolling shutter when stabilized in post.
But the c70 would have it beat for run and gun. That camera is just made for doco work in my opinion.
It just depends what’s more important to you. That little better, more Hollywood movie like image quality.
Or ease of use and in camera features.
As far as the crop, unless you going to do higher frame rates, for which the Komodo is not the best for, I just always shoot in 6k... but you do need to have a computer that can handle it. You have three choices of quality with raw and I find LQ even on 6k will give me a good amount of record time even on a 256 cfast card.
@@nationalvideography2034 Thanks so much for these replies. Decide for me :)) I generally shoot 90-120 minutes on a big day of shooting and I hate messing with anything technical. Im rarely ever even white balancing :/ I focus all my extra energy on the sound stuff I have on actors to make sure its working, etc. The Komodo looks legit, if you think I can handle the workflow on an M1 computer and I can get good audio with its pre amps through a shotgun mic.
I think its between the bmpcc 6k pro, the komodo, and the c70.
It's amazing how far people go to justify the C70. The Fx6 is tiny, nothing to do with fx9, at least it has some form of raw! I feel Canon at these point is just unethical. The Komodo seems like a good choice. You just like the c70, At the price a second komodo is the best B cam. Or a Fx6 A7siii combo and save some money
Fx6 is an awesome camera, and paired with an a7Siii would be a great set up. But specially for gimbal work C70 does have a better form factor, and I do prefer Canon color. For versatility I would rather a B cam with better autofocus to pair with the Komodo. But a second Komodo would make sense for some people too. Canon definitely have some explaining to do.
@@nationalvideography2034 I have seen multiple videos of people mounting their fx6 on Ronin S and Ronin SC2. They all mention that the gimbal was handling it perfectly.
@@GuillaumeB7 th-cam.com/video/9gKZzlyEgoQ/w-d-xo.html
Sony eye AF is definitely stickier than the Canon one, and acquires it from further away. Canon has the back of the head tracking advantage though.
Your reasons for A7siii not being a netflix approved is wrong lol. It doesn't have timecode and it's UHD not DCI4k that's the reason. You can record prores RAW without any sharpening or denoising to atomos.
Technically it also records a resolution even better than DCI 4K to an Atomos.
Sorry about your lack of tracking AF, lack of XLR inputs, have-to-crop to get higher framerates Komodo. Cool box, though!
Hahaha... love it.... As far as sound the only thing I need from a camera is timecode so I can use something like a Zoom F6 for sound acquisition, and strongly recommend it. Absolutely, not great with high frame rates, that’s why a good B cam (or A) would have those. Honestly unless it’s the new Sony or Canon autofocus, I’m never going to use it, and C300 is just too big to chuck on a gimbal.
All your complaints about the Pocket 6k I personally find meaningless, since the 6k has a much better image than the Pocket 4k
If only looking at the image quality I agree the 6k has it beat. But, there’s some great anamorphic lenses for the 4K m4/3 mount, and because of that I feel it will have more longevity in your kit as a special purpose cam. While the 6k as an A cam has become outdated in its dynamic range and rolling shutter. Personally, I have never seen that much difference in image quality between the two. I stand by what I said, if you are going to go that route in 2021 save yourself some money and go for the 4K.
@@nationalvideography2034 The Pocket 6k has more dynamic range than people on youtube realize. It seriously outperforms just about anything in highlight sensitivity when using highlight recovery, so I don't agree with you there. I find that people who don't get the most out of the camera like I do is due to one of two factors: either improper exposure technique, or improper correction of raw footage. Don't get it twisted, the Pocket 4k has a great image for sure, but I think the 6k has more dynamic range, and for me that is a priority. All other aspects I can deal with.
@@leebrandt8597 as far as I understand the 4K and 6k have same dynamic range.
@@nationalvideography2034 Yeah I've heard that, but it's demonstrably untrue. I get about a stop more in the highlights
@@leebrandt8597 cined puts it .2 stops more then the 4K... but that’s very interesting that you find it a whole stop more... it definitely is a beast of a camera... I have always loved bmpcc footage 4K or 6K!
You jus like to talk huh?
komodo price is similar to mirrorless?? size weight of mirrorless . stop lying bra.