Yes I bought S1H cca a year ago for video quality, codecs, etc, personally, love it!!!...and believe me, that I am very, very sorry to say this, but when I need "only poor " usual family video (christmas, birthdays etc..),because of for poor AF of S1H, I better take my "very old but for me very deep known " A7R2(Slog2,Pro colour gamut + in PC in Davinci little work)+ Sony 24-70 2.8 GM lens , and yes it is only 8 bit, but I cant help myself - results are just stunning , looks like from big movie, very "filmic", DR- often i even must add more contrast- too flat even for filmic look -and A7R2 even has not slog3,slog2 far enough ! :-). Nobody ever told me something like " man, I see it is only from 8 bit" or " it is sony bad colour science "....Hmm, Life, not tests...googd light!
@@Excalibrr1 Yes, there are some very good 8 Bit cameras you can also use. My favorite is the Canon EOS 1 D "C" DSLR. This is a Cinema 4K recording camera, but is only 8 Bit, yet the image is truly spectacular. Incredible colour science on that very high end 8 Bit camera. My point being the S1H is yielding a far superior image, but it is dependent on the quality of glass you have on the camera. The thing I like is the S1H has a sensor and on board processing, which is capable of resolving even the subtle differences in glass you use. You can even see this difference on TH-cam, which uses a wonky 8 Bit video format that crushes your blacks and highlights and makes your colors look anemic.
Well, I noticed the A7sIII was shifting colors a lot with over and underexposure, but had no idea it's that bad. Slashcam made at test about it like two weeks ago and it seems like it was as bad. S1H is way better.
@@TheSlantedLens which results in a complete loss of texture and that even in brighter parts of the image. Also the image tends to smear and even show ghosting artifacts with motion.
@@TheSlantedLens Also the color shifting on skin tones on the A7sIII seems really bad. Slashcam and ProAV have also reported about it, but I've never seen it as clearly as in your test.
The way I see it, the R5 is awesome if you shoot mostly stills but the A7S3 is awesome if you shoot mostly video, especially in low light situations. If only the Panasonic had a decent autofocus system, then it would be #1 for the average person!
Man it gotta be tough dealing with so many fanboys shouting at you guys about what you did wrong to make their favorite not win. Props to you guys for the level headed response.
Guys, please repeat the image quality test. The S1H is by no means weak in 4K full width. It's full readout in 6K, downscaled to 4K. Canon low quality 4K modes cannot compete with this because they use line skipping, also Sony cannot compete with it in any mode since it has only 4K sensor so that cannot beat the 4K coming from 6K in S1H.
I pick Panasonic every time just for the sake of reliability. The autofocus is a downer, but the camera will always record when you ask it to, and to me, that's easily the deciding factor.
Thanks for these comparisons! I just have a few questions: - in the overheating scenarios, what frame rates and resolution were you shooting outside on the canon and the Sony, so that they overheated so quickly? - the ISO/lowlight tests, did you try overexposing the PP8 footage of the Sony at ISO 2500 with 1-2 stops, and then bringing it down in post? Did it then perform any better? - and regarding the dynamic range tests, did you custom white balance all of the cameras? Thank you!
1) We shot 24 fps in 4K 10-bit 422 for the overheating test. The Canon was shooting the HQ profile. 2) We actually did shoot a couple clips in PP8 that were overexposed by 2 stops in order to see if that cleaned up the noise. It did! However, it does somewhat defeat the purpose of the sensitivity. There are some scenarios where you simply cannot get any more exposure besides pushing the ISO. In those scenarios I would shoot in a non-log profile. Anyway, the editor probably cut that bit out because the video was running long. 3) I'm honestly struggling to remember the white balance for the DR test. I suspect we set all of the cameras to 5600K, as that would be the standard workflow for shooting a daylight scene with video.
Always enjoy your comparisons! Bottom line, these are Pro cameras that have the price tags to go along with them. To me as a professional, FIRST and FOREMOST is reliability! The Sony and especially the Canon I could NEVER use on a Job because if that single FACT. Overall, image quality was great on all, however I liked the Panasonic color science most. They're all good enough in low light as I would never need the use of shooting in the dark or I would just light it up! Last, and next important, these cameras are is to do both video & still images so we don't need to care two cameras to do two different jobs. I must have a camera that can take great images as well that have the quality to sell to my clients and other markets. The Sony doesn't come close to cutting it here, the Panasonic takes great high quality images above my needs and without any issues with AF. The Canon takes the win here with the larger MP and frame & AF speed! But I don't see a need for such large image files. The BEST Hybrid crossover for me is the S1H win this hands down. So that's what I would buy.
I would recommend doing your iso tests again with the A7s iii. I own it and you need to over expose slog 3 by 1 - 2 stops and it produces very clean results when graded
That is a personal test that people should do. The reality is when you overexpose by 2 or 3 stops you are basically saying it performs great in low light if I overexpose it.
The Slanted Lens it’s not really over exposing. It’s exposing correctly for slog 3 and as you pointed out it is good at 12800. I was just interested if you have tried this yet and also if you found that you lost much dynamic range
LOL, including the R5 in this lineup. If I want to fry eggs I might look at getting one. Basically this - If you want a camera that won't cook itself to a state of shutting down in under 25 minutes, get a camera that is designed to go the distance. Panasonic, real cameras for the real world. I can only imagine Canon and Sony fanboys crying that the heat test was biased. Yes, it was biased. It actually used real heat, from the Sun. Pay thousands of dollars for an indoor camera. Good choice.
I don't know much about the Panasonic, does having a fan introduce dust and moisture? can it be used in adverse conditions compared to the other 2 cameras?
For what i need the Panasonic looks the best I also tested the S1H Low Light and the result was different, much better than your test The S1H is almost a profesional video camera!
I have 1 work for the s1h… auto focus. If I want a film camera that can’t auto focus I will get a black magic 6k pro for $2500 and use that $1500 to buy an eos R.
The SH1 is amazing. The auto focus is the problem. In most situations manual focus is fine but on occasions I really need it. I don't do many interviews any more without it. People lean in and out of focus and it helps. It's such a dilemma.
@@DennisSchmitz I know. But there is an increasing number of people, also professionals who use the incredible AF features. Thats the reason why Panasonic will be out of the Game in the next 2 years
I don't think so. Nikon makes great stills cameras. There is a lot of time spent talking about video when Nikon is a great stills camera. In that area Nikon is stellar.
@@TheSlantedLens agree. But see what Nikon is doing. They announced some new lenses in january (70-200) and they arent available until now for the masses
Compare stills capabilities as well. Tho we all know the results :D Turns out you can't really make a perfect camera for both worlds without sacrificing something. Canon knows that all they have to do is introduce fans and it's over, so they're just giving competition a chance ))
Great video, thanks! As a Panasonic S1H owner, it was good to see how Canon and Sony compare in case I decide to get a second body -- one with autofocus.
@@TheSlantedLens Explain why the details in the shadows are so important? If in real life darkened details in the shadows give a more realistic picture! That is, for filming a video, we have to shoot so that we can capture all the details, and then make a color scheme ourselves similar to reality? But if we write in HLG, how can we restore real colors? And are there any external fans for video cameras?
Definitely missing a z6 there, since you mention cameras that can do both video and photos...in fact, the a7s would be the questionable one in the bunch, since it's great for low light video, but on photography side 12mp by today's standards is laughable.
This was a great comparison from these 3 Flagship 4K 10 Bit FF cameras. Not surprised at the outcomes truly! Except Sony's lowlight was SO much better that the S1H... even with dual ISO. For Professionals there's no doubt only one workhorse here that you can trust! Panasonic S1H!! I would rather choose to manual focus all day, any day, than have a camera die in the middle of a shoot! Let face it, that kind of embarrassment could cost you more than these cameras are worth! Cheers 🎬
WOW THANKS JP MORGAN and KENNETH MERRILL! Love your bank and shoes ;) just kidding. We have often looked in at your channels and website, one of our favorite go-to's. Anyway great and timely post as usual! We are considering as far as video production in our budget. Not really caring about the photography aspect much...just an added perk. So for JUST for VIDEO short film /TH-cam production would you still recommend these or a cine camera or something else? Our audio will be likely the mix pre3 ii so don't care about camera audio ether. but flexibility and video is our focus...pun intended...sorry ;) Any thoughts???
I appreciate your picks, but would have been curious to see how you evaluate the Nikon Z6 and Fujifilm X-T4. With my X-T3 and Atomos Ninja V I'm also shooting ProRes 422 at 10 bits.
Could not agree more...my partner and I are shooting Z6s along with Ninja V to output 422 ProRes at 10 bits for corporate and even network production work.
@@RickValasek Awesome. Have you tried outputting to ProRes RAW? As a long-time Nikon shooter using an X-T3 for video, I'm considering switching to the Z6 for both photo and video work, especially since I have so many great Nikkor lenses and the Z6 can be updated to shoot RAW.
The Slanted Lens I would have bought the r6 if it was more reliable but it isn’t. Honestly the codec on all three of these camera’s especially the S1H is so good that you could easily make them look like the Canon
Glad to see you have a female model in your video. Lol. I’ll stick with my iPhone for videography. I think you guys pick a good choice of cameras for video comparison. Thanks.
Unlike the other cameras, by default, the S1H's V-Log does not apply any sharpening at all. When comparing resolution, the standard profile of each camera seems to be a better choice.
Three elephants and a blind man suspects A7S3 overheating is heavily dependent on which lens you have on the camera. Because overheating was reproducible easily for him but not others on same review unit. But it has a passive only solution with heat sink so it will transfer heat well, which is a benefit when camera is in shade but a problem in e.g. sunny windless weather.
The low light comparison was really interesting. Most people seem to walk away from these tests reinforcing what they already thought. The low light is fabulous with the Panasonic.
@@TheSlantedLens Will Panasonic take over the sensor market when Sony runs dry ? Panasonic is very well placed in the market, and has the money to dominate !
A decent review with two caveats: 1- Auto-focus is not of concern to cinematographers, and 2- You wax a little too gooey over the Canon and Sony, and seem grudging in regards to praising the very capable Panasonic. Is brand loyalty a little at fault? But you (comparatively unenthusiastically) did give the S1H its due: it is an excellent, reliable, solid true cinema camera. If you shoot extended live performances, cameras that do not over-heat and have good low-light performance are critical.
We simply started at 640 and went up by 1-stop increments. We don't really have time to do every single ISO value.The difference between 4000 and 5000 is 1/3 of a stop; so I still think you get a pretty good idea.
I think you should always record the best in camera digital negative possible then match the resolution and bit depth later if needed rather than recording the s1h at 4k.
I don't think it makes sense to test iso performance at a non native iso when all the cameras have dual gain iso circut. I think the sony in slog's kicks in at 10k iso or something.
Greetings, I was wondering: does it make better sense to purchase two separate devices - one camera for stills and one camera for video vs the single compromise device to do both? Given the cost of equipment I can't imagine that the delta between the two solutions would be insurmountable - what are your thoughts?
I think two separate systems is ideal. I haven't seen a hybrid camera yet that does everything I want it to. A camera like the A7iii comes close, but only if you don't require high quality/high data rate footage. If you HAVE to have a hybrid system, Sony may be the best choice, but there will always be compromises if you're shooting video with what is actually a stills camera.
Coming back and revisting. The outdoor shots where you compared the S1H soft and about equivalent to the standard Canon 4K was an "oh wow" moment for me. After rewatching the clips again, I noticed you had autofocus engaged. If you watch the color checker chart and the printing in the lower right corner, the focus shifting is clearly visible. The razor thin depth-of-field plane passes through those letters just briefly, making the letters look sharper; definitely sharper than the standard Canon. Thus, if you're doing sharpness tests with different model cameras and lenses, I'd respectfully suggest using at least F5.6 or F8 (typically the lens sweet spot where sharpness is peak), and manually focus. It does seem the S1H is sharper after further review, which makes since with the downsampled processing.
@@TheSlantedLens Check out the MTF charts for it, Might make for an interesting episode trying to find a lens that scores higher (spoiler alert you probably won't) Also it is you guys who are appreciated, it's really nice to see you continue to engage with such a nitpicky group of commenters like myself. Thanks.
*Panasonic S1H wins hands down with overall consistency and great colour accuracy and saturation. The S1H is a sleeper of a camera.*
Thanks for sharing your point of view!
Yes I bought S1H cca a year ago for video quality, codecs, etc, personally, love it!!!...and believe me, that I am very, very sorry to say this, but when I need "only poor " usual family video (christmas, birthdays etc..),because of for poor AF of S1H, I better take my "very old but for me very deep known " A7R2(Slog2,Pro colour gamut + in PC in Davinci little work)+ Sony 24-70 2.8 GM lens , and yes it is only 8 bit, but I cant help myself - results are just stunning , looks like from big movie, very "filmic", DR- often i even must add more contrast- too flat even for filmic look -and A7R2 even has not slog3,slog2 far enough ! :-). Nobody ever told me something like " man, I see it is only from 8 bit" or " it is sony bad colour science "....Hmm, Life, not tests...googd light!
@@Excalibrr1 Yes, there are some very good 8 Bit cameras you can also use. My favorite is the Canon EOS 1 D "C" DSLR. This is a Cinema 4K recording camera, but is only 8 Bit, yet the image is truly spectacular. Incredible colour science on that very high end 8 Bit camera. My point being the S1H is yielding a far superior image, but it is dependent on the quality of glass you have on the camera. The thing I like is the S1H has a sensor and on board processing, which is capable of resolving even the subtle differences in glass you use. You can even see this difference on TH-cam, which uses a wonky 8 Bit video format that crushes your blacks and highlights and makes your colors look anemic.
The S1H is so underrated by most people
It is a great video camera!
Yes exactly my thoughts. This camera is a beast.
UNDERRATED is an UNDERSTATEMENT lol agreed
I honestly don't think it's underated. Just people wants better AF, all the other specs are stunning though and people realize that as well
Most o the people are concerned about autofocus of S1H, but professional filmmaking is all about manual focus :)
As always, the S1H is an indestructible workhorse. I just received the S5 to work alongside my S1H and couldn't be happier for all of my pro jobs.
That is a winning combination, those 2 cameras. We are excited to test the S5.
I went for the S1H for my wildlife filmmaking - the Netflix-approved quality made it win over the others for me!
Good decision. Wish you luck in your filmmaking!
Well, I noticed the A7sIII was shifting colors a lot with over and underexposure, but had no idea it's that bad.
Slashcam made at test about it like two weeks ago and it seems like it was as bad.
S1H is way better.
also the noise reduction smear on the A7sIII is quite obvious in shots like 11:38
11:51 Don't shoot above ISO1600 on the S1H in V-Log, switch to ISO 4000 instead :)
It does clean up as you jump to the higher ISO. The Sony is a great camera.
@@TheSlantedLens which results in a complete loss of texture and that even in brighter parts of the image. Also the image tends to smear and even show ghosting artifacts with motion.
@@TheSlantedLens Also the color shifting on skin tones on the A7sIII seems really bad. Slashcam and ProAV have also reported about it, but I've never seen it as clearly as in your test.
The way I see it, the R5 is awesome if you shoot mostly stills but the A7S3 is awesome if you shoot mostly video, especially in low light situations. If only the Panasonic had a decent autofocus system, then it would be #1 for the average person!
Agree with all of your points!
Man it gotta be tough dealing with so many fanboys shouting at you guys about what you did wrong to make their favorite not win. Props to you guys for the level headed response.
Thanks so much. We work hard to get good results and fair comparisons. We have great respect for all of these cameras.
All these cameras a basically great and your reviews are the best i've seen so far on youtube. So hands down I'm a subscriber.
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SH1 is amazing top
It is a pretty great camera!
Guys, please repeat the image quality test. The S1H is by no means weak in 4K full width. It's full readout in 6K, downscaled to 4K. Canon low quality 4K modes cannot compete with this because they use line skipping, also Sony cannot compete with it in any mode since it has only 4K sensor so that cannot beat the 4K coming from 6K in S1H.
Good points. Thanks for your comment!
Exceptional video gents, love this channel!
Much appreciated! Thanks for your support!
I pick Panasonic every time just for the sake of reliability. The autofocus is a downer, but the camera will always record when you ask it to, and to me, that's easily the deciding factor.
Good point. Thanks for sharing your opinion!
love this videos! the best vs in youtube. keep doing more of those :)
Thank you! Will do! Appreciate the feedback!
Thanks for these comparisons! I just have a few questions:
- in the overheating scenarios, what frame rates and resolution were you shooting outside on the canon and the Sony, so that they overheated so quickly?
- the ISO/lowlight tests, did you try overexposing the PP8 footage of the Sony at ISO 2500 with 1-2 stops, and then bringing it down in post? Did it then perform any better?
- and regarding the dynamic range tests, did you custom white balance all of the cameras?
Thank you!
1) We shot 24 fps in 4K 10-bit 422 for the overheating test. The Canon was shooting the HQ profile.
2) We actually did shoot a couple clips in PP8 that were overexposed by 2 stops in order to see if that cleaned up the noise. It did! However, it does somewhat defeat the purpose of the sensitivity. There are some scenarios where you simply cannot get any more exposure besides pushing the ISO. In those scenarios I would shoot in a non-log profile. Anyway, the editor probably cut that bit out because the video was running long.
3) I'm honestly struggling to remember the white balance for the DR test. I suspect we set all of the cameras to 5600K, as that would be the standard workflow for shooting a daylight scene with video.
@@kennethcmerrill Thank you for the reply! And wow, I am surprised Canon and Sony both overheated at 4k 24p...
Thanks for your questions and thanks for watching!
Thanks for answering the questions Kenneth!
I really appreciate your test.
Glad to hear that! Thanks for your comment!
Always enjoy your comparisons! Bottom line, these are Pro cameras that have the price tags to go along with them. To me as a professional, FIRST and FOREMOST is reliability! The Sony and especially the Canon I could NEVER use on a Job because if that single FACT. Overall, image quality was great on all, however I liked the Panasonic color science most. They're all good enough in low light as I would never need the use of shooting in the dark or I would just light it up! Last, and next important, these cameras are is to do both video & still images so we don't need to care two cameras to do two different jobs. I must have a camera that can take great images as well that have the quality to sell to my clients and other markets. The Sony doesn't come close to cutting it here, the Panasonic takes great high quality images above my needs and without any issues with AF. The Canon takes the win here with the larger MP and frame & AF speed! But I don't see a need for such large image files. The BEST Hybrid crossover for me is the S1H win this hands down. So that's what I would buy.
Good to hear your thoughts. Yes, the S1H is fantastic!
I would recommend doing your iso tests again with the A7s iii. I own it and you need to over expose slog 3 by 1 - 2 stops and it produces very clean results when graded
That is a personal test that people should do. The reality is when you overexpose by 2 or 3 stops you are basically saying it performs great in low light if I overexpose it.
The Slanted Lens it’s not really over exposing. It’s exposing correctly for slog 3 and as you pointed out it is good at 12800. I was just interested if you have tried this yet and also if you found that you lost much dynamic range
Gerald undone just confirmed what I said about slog 3
LOL, including the R5 in this lineup. If I want to fry eggs I might look at getting one.
Basically this - If you want a camera that won't cook itself to a state of shutting down in under 25 minutes, get a camera that is designed to go the distance.
Panasonic, real cameras for the real world.
I can only imagine Canon and Sony fanboys crying that the heat test was biased. Yes, it was biased. It actually used real heat, from the Sun.
Pay thousands of dollars for an indoor camera. Good choice.
It is better for Still images for sure.
I don't know much about the Panasonic, does having a fan introduce dust and moisture? can it be used in adverse conditions compared to the other 2 cameras?
The fan is not going to give you an issue. Every serious cinema camera out there has a fan.
Great comparison once more! Do you think the Canon C70 will be a game-changer here?
I am pretty excited about the C70. My only gripe with it is that it is not going to have an EVF. That is discouraging.
@@TheSlantedLens so true! Somehow it’s autofocus, EF lenssupport and integrated ND on the c70 vs viewfinder, Great stabiliser and low light on the S1H
S1h is a monster 👺
A lot of people love that S1H!
For what i need the Panasonic looks the best
I also tested the S1H Low Light and the result was different, much better than your test
The S1H is almost a profesional video camera!
It is a professional video camera! Thanks for your comment!
Great comparison! Was looking for one just like this.
Glad to hear it! Hope it helps in your decisions.
What would be your camera of choice?
@@silklion7375 s1h!
@@trayneadjeifilms oh nice. What Kind of videos are u doin?
@@silklion7375 films and commercials mostly. Maybe some documentaries and music videos as well.
Can you compare the canon c70 to c100s. I want to upgrade my c100s. I shoot weddings. Lowlight and af and handling
We will check into that. Thanks for the suggestion.
I have 1 work for the s1h… auto focus. If I want a film camera that can’t auto focus I will get a black magic 6k pro for $2500 and use that $1500 to buy an eos R.
Sounds like a great plan!
I just hope canon fixes the problems and also include clog 3
I hope so too. I would guess we will see that in the not too distant future.
Panasonic S1H is the best but it’s not perfect.
Its not because of the poor AF
@@airb1976 in case you don't rely on autofocus in video, the S1H has by far the best LOG gamma and processing.
The SH1 is amazing. The auto focus is the problem. In most situations manual focus is fine but on occasions I really need it. I don't do many interviews any more without it. People lean in and out of focus and it helps. It's such a dilemma.
@@DennisSchmitz I know. But there is an increasing number of people, also professionals who use the incredible AF features. Thats the reason why Panasonic will be out of the Game in the next 2 years
Airb 19 still waiting for the new firmware for fixing AF at the end of this year .
Where is Nikon Z6?
Nikon is dead
I don't think so. Nikon makes great stills cameras.
There is a lot of time spent talking about video when Nikon is a great stills camera. In that area Nikon is stellar.
@@TheSlantedLens agree. But see what Nikon is doing. They announced some new lenses in january (70-200) and they arent available until now for the masses
Compare stills capabilities as well. Tho we all know the results :D Turns out you can't really make a perfect camera for both worlds without sacrificing something.
Canon knows that all they have to do is introduce fans and it's over, so they're just giving competition a chance ))
True, true. I had the same thoughts. Thanks for sharing!
Great video, thanks! As a Panasonic S1H owner, it was good to see how Canon and Sony compare in case I decide to get a second body -- one with autofocus.
It was a good test to see how they will cut together, I like so much about each of these cameras.
Where is the fuji xt4?
That would have been a great one to include. Next time!
You tell 4k sony is yellow and tell canon color is neutral? Hahahaha you have to check it again
Hope you learned some good stuff. Thanks for watching!
If Panasonic could only figure out how to autofocus then they would have a chance to get an increase to their market.
So, so true. That would be a great addition to the Panasonic!
Its too bad you are doing this video 14 days before the Z6 II is revealed - it will certainly rival these camera in most relevant respects.
i know! We shot this the day before the announcement I think. Looks like we might have to come back for a round two, if we can.
We will for sure. It has to be done. I can't wait.
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Explain why the details in the shadows are so important? If in real life darkened details in the shadows give a more realistic picture! That is, for filming a video, we have to shoot so that we can capture all the details, and then make a color scheme ourselves similar to reality? But if we write in HLG, how can we restore real colors?
And are there any external fans for video cameras?
Definitely missing a z6 there, since you mention cameras that can do both video and photos...in fact, the a7s would be the questionable one in the bunch, since it's great for low light video, but on photography side 12mp by today's standards is laughable.
The focus of the test was more on cinema use on set.
Vlog is so much robust, can be over and under and can kinda get away, underexposed slog is a complete joke!
It is not as robust, I agree. But people do some amazing things with it.
this comparison was so wrong on so many levels
Tell me more.
@@kennethcmerrill agree
because the Sony looked bad? The A7sIII only looks good in synthetical tests ala IMATEST.
If you have some specific criteria we would love to hear it. We don't have a favorite camera here.
That skeleton model shots were hilarious, thanks! Now I want one too!
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching!
0:47 S1H is capable to output 5.9K(5888x3312)@30fps 12-bit RAW, thanks to v2.1 update.
Thanks for the update and for your comment!
This was a great comparison from these 3 Flagship 4K 10 Bit FF cameras. Not surprised at the outcomes truly! Except Sony's lowlight was SO much better that the S1H... even with dual ISO. For Professionals there's no doubt only one workhorse here that you can trust! Panasonic S1H!! I would rather choose to manual focus all day, any day, than have a camera die in the middle of a shoot! Let face it, that kind of embarrassment could cost you more than these cameras are worth! Cheers 🎬
Would have been better to test native ISO ranges. At 4000ISO S1H is clean
Excellent points. Thanks for sharing your experience!
WOW THANKS JP MORGAN and KENNETH MERRILL! Love your bank and shoes ;) just kidding. We have often looked in at your channels and website, one of our favorite go-to's. Anyway great and timely post as usual! We are considering as far as video production in our budget. Not really caring about the photography aspect much...just an added perk. So for JUST for VIDEO short film /TH-cam production would you still recommend these or a cine camera or something else? Our audio will be likely the mix pre3 ii so don't care about camera audio ether. but flexibility and video is our focus...pun intended...sorry ;) Any thoughts???
I love the Sony a7s III but I am looking real hard at the Canon C70. That might be the choice. We hope to review it soon.
I appreciate your picks, but would have been curious to see how you evaluate the Nikon Z6 and Fujifilm X-T4. With my X-T3 and Atomos Ninja V I'm also shooting ProRes 422 at 10 bits.
Could not agree more...my partner and I are shooting Z6s along with Ninja V to output 422 ProRes at 10 bits for corporate and even network production work.
@@RickValasek Awesome. Have you tried outputting to ProRes RAW? As a long-time Nikon shooter using an X-T3 for video, I'm considering switching to the Z6 for both photo and video work, especially since I have so many great Nikkor lenses and the Z6 can be updated to shoot RAW.
Yes, surprised NOT to see the Fuji X-T4 in this review.
That would have been a crazy comparison with all of those cameras.
Thanks for sharing your points of view!
S1H ALL DAY👍🏼
Thanks for sharing your choice!
That Canon image does look gorgeous! I'd say it looks the best out of the three.
I agree. I have one sitting in a box and I am trying to decide whether to send it back or keep it.
The Slanted Lens I would have bought the r6 if it was more reliable but it isn’t. Honestly the codec on all three of these camera’s especially the S1H is so good that you could easily make them look like the Canon
Glad to see you have a female model in your video. Lol. I’ll stick with my iPhone for videography. I think you guys pick a good choice of cameras for video comparison. Thanks.
You are very welcome. We love doing these. More to come.
I am here for the comments 🤣🤣🤣
It can be somewhat entertaining!
Unlike the other cameras, by default, the S1H's V-Log does not apply any sharpening at all.
When comparing resolution, the standard profile of each camera seems to be a better choice.
Good point. Thanks for your comment!
Three elephants and a blind man suspects A7S3 overheating is heavily dependent on which lens you have on the camera. Because overheating was reproducible easily for him but not others on same review unit. But it has a passive only solution with heat sink so it will transfer heat well, which is a benefit when camera is in shade but a problem in e.g. sunny windless weather.
Good points. Thanks for sharing you knowledge!
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Very knowledgeable video . 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you! Glad you found it worthwhile!
The sh1 is like having a Mercedes but with a broken steering wheel
It does have some disadvantages.
Low light was the big buzzz, now the Panasonic has the best low light and no on is talking junk.
The low light comparison was really interesting. Most people seem to walk away from these tests reinforcing what they already thought. The low light is fabulous with the Panasonic.
@@TheSlantedLens Will Panasonic take over the sensor market when Sony runs dry ? Panasonic is very well placed in the market, and has the money to dominate !
@@lamasteve6905 Maybe if they buy out Nikon and do what Sony did to Minolta, but they should keep the Nikon name.
For the iso test was the s1 shot in log or rec709 too?
They were all shot in a 4k standard profile.
A decent review with two caveats:
1- Auto-focus is not of concern to cinematographers, and
2- You wax a little too gooey over the Canon and Sony, and seem grudging in regards to praising the very capable Panasonic. Is brand loyalty a little at fault?
But you (comparatively unenthusiastically) did give the S1H its due: it is an excellent, reliable, solid true cinema camera. If you shoot extended live performances, cameras that do not over-heat and have good low-light performance are critical.
Great points for cinematographers.
Panasonic S1h is the best & What about the Display these 3 cameras. any comments?
It's been a while since we shot this. Hard to recall at this point.
Why didnt you test the Panasonic with it's native ISO of 4000?
We simply started at 640 and went up by 1-stop increments. We don't really have time to do every single ISO value.The difference between 4000 and 5000 is 1/3 of a stop; so I still think you get a pretty good idea.
It's hard to test all the ISO's.
please suggest me i want commerical film making which camera better Sony A7siii or Sony Alpha 1 or Canon R5 ?
For commercial filmmaking the Sony Alpha 1 or you might want to consider the Sony FS 3.
What colour profile was used on Panasonic in low light test?
We used a standard profile. We didn't use log.
I think you should always record the best in camera digital negative possible then match the resolution and bit depth later if needed rather than recording the s1h at 4k.
Good suggestion. Thanks for watching!
Panasonic is the best . The global video leader. When you want pure quality you think of Panny.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Brother please make a comparison video of Panasonic Lumix S1H Vs Sony alpha 1
I have added it to our list!
My understanding is that the Sony shines @ 12800 it is exceptionally clean in low light at this iso...
Great point. Thanks for your comment!
I don't think it makes sense to test iso performance at a non native iso when all the cameras have dual gain iso circut. I think the sony in slog's kicks in at 10k iso or something.
WE covered all the native ISO on the cameras. The Sony did great I thought.
I am wating to see it
Let us know what you think!
Keep the Armani glasses, loose your sidekick. You are much more interesting solo.
I'm glad you like the glasses. Everyone needs a side kick. Thanks for your support.
Lol panasonic sucks as usual...
Lot of people love the S1H!
Greetings, I was wondering: does it make better sense to purchase two separate devices - one camera for stills and one camera for video vs the single compromise device to do both? Given the cost of equipment I can't imagine that the delta between the two solutions would be insurmountable - what are your thoughts?
I think two separate systems is ideal. I haven't seen a hybrid camera yet that does everything I want it to. A camera like the A7iii comes close, but only if you don't require high quality/high data rate footage. If you HAVE to have a hybrid system, Sony may be the best choice, but there will always be compromises if you're shooting video with what is actually a stills camera.
I am coming to the same conclusion. I shoot so many 2 camera interviews that I will need 2 cinema cameras. Two C70's I guess.
Is it true that the Canon focus struggles in clog?
That was not our experience, but we didn't do extensive shooting with it outside of our tests.
That is a strange issue that we did not see.
Great video!!
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for your comment!
Fantastic review. Which one you think, over all good
Canon for stills. Panasonic for video. Sony for crossover.
@@TheSlantedLens what is the meaning of ''crossover''?
Coming back and revisting. The outdoor shots where you compared the S1H soft and about equivalent to the standard Canon 4K was an "oh wow" moment for me. After rewatching the clips again, I noticed you had autofocus engaged. If you watch the color checker chart and the printing in the lower right corner, the focus shifting is clearly visible. The razor thin depth-of-field plane passes through those letters just briefly, making the letters look sharper; definitely sharper than the standard Canon. Thus, if you're doing sharpness tests with different model cameras and lenses, I'd respectfully suggest using at least F5.6 or F8 (typically the lens sweet spot where sharpness is peak), and manually focus. It does seem the S1H is sharper after further review, which makes since with the downsampled processing.
Good points. Thanks for sharing your insight.
At 0:29 you have the S Pro 50mm listed as 1.2, it's a 1.4 lens. Also it might be the best ever made.
Thanks for your comment. Appreciate the input!
@@TheSlantedLens Check out the MTF charts for it, Might make for an interesting episode trying to find a lens that scores higher (spoiler alert you probably won't) Also it is you guys who are appreciated, it's really nice to see you continue to engage with such a nitpicky group of commenters like myself. Thanks.
Fuji Xt4 is also good so you are lame on this one for not including it
If we were including APS-C sensors that would have been a good one!
@@kennethcmerrill then the title should have said only FF sensors
Can't include everything, including in the titles. Appreciate your input!