When I first saw this as a kid I screamed seeing Qui-Gon. But rewatching it again after many years you can hear the reverence Anakin has when he calls Qui-Gon ‘master’ with other Jedi Obi-Wan included he says it as a title but with Qui-Gon you can hear the respect he has. Yeah they got Liam Nesson back to voice Qui-Gon again as did the actress who played Anakin’s mom.
I think it’s because the father killed himself and willingly took away the son’s power, but if just died of age or if the son killed him he might have retained his power. Also: The dark side represents selfishness and the light represents selflessness. Selfishness, depending on the situation, isn’t necessarily a bad thing. I think that’s what they’re hinting at. Regardless, loved your reaction and I’m glad y’all loved this arc.
And the fact that he was able to affect Ahsoka shows that everyone can be susceptible to the temptations of the dark side, even the truest of the Jedi.
@@mikahraptor8849 in the mandalorian, when he meets ahsoka, there is an owl (convor) called morai watching over them. morai is connected to the daughter, or a physical representation of the daughter outside of mortis morai became connected to ahsoka after the death of the daughter because she gave the last part of her life to save ahsoka. morai can be seen in rebels, and it is explained in the arc when Ezra saves ahsoka from the sith temple u can see this scene if u look up morai ahsoka in the mandalorian
@@dankerbell when I realized she was a bigger Star Wars than I was, and knew stuff I didn’t know because I didn’t watch Clone Wars and Rebels I knew she was the one…. We then binge watched everything and when season 7 came we both cried together lol
The son and the daughter are the physical embodiments of the dark and light side of the force yes. The father representing the balance. They are referred to as the " The Mortis Gods " by a special someone in another piece of star wars media.
@@mikaelson1194 In real time they are well into season 1 of Rebels, with episodes 9-12 being dropped today on patreon, if they don't slip from their release schedule
Fun fact, Sam Witwer; the voice of Maul; also did the voice of The Son. You can really hear it at 23:27 when the Father stabs himself. His voice has that classic Sam Witwer characteristic to it.
First the daughter died symbolizing the death of the Jedi, then the son died symbolizing the death of the Sith to bring balance as is what happened in the movies.
24:30 Personally, even as an 8 year old little boy having watched TCW back when it first came out in 2008-2014, I was never annoyed by "Snips" and "Skyguy" at all! I actually loved and enjoyed the little nicknames they gave each other throughout the show's original airdates and even to this day as a 22 year old, full grown man--partially because of nostalgia and fond childhood memories of watching new episodes of TCW every week of course, haha. But yeah, it's very realistic and relatable in that IRL friends give each other nicknames all the time too. People get called nicknames all the time, especially in friendships, including myself, so I never really was annoyed by that or felt it was out of place whatsoever. Ahsoka can indeed be snippy at times after all and Anakin's last name is just a bit too irresistible to poke fun at whenever given the chance. ;) But I do love that the characters got annoyed by that though, that was also always fun to watch as well, hehe. 😁
This is my favorite arc of the Clone Wars, and my favorite part of all Star Wars. The Father of Mortis is my favorite character in all Star Wars. I simultaneously wish we had more of Mortis and that it’s kept completely mysterious.
I know this was recorded for Patreon long ago, but I just wanted to let y'all know that Dave Filoni originally added Darth Bane and Darth Revan into a scene where they talk to the Son and it's really cool. There is even a scene on TH-cam not fully animated, which I recommend you watch if you haven't already.
There are three arcs I thought holden would love most. The Mortis arc, the Umbara arc, and the final 4 episodes. I think they’re peak Clone Wars. He likely will find all dealing with Savage Opress, Mandalore, and Anakins descent highly enjoyable as well
To Holden's point: I'm fairly sure that at some point Lucas said that the Force as it naturally exists only contains the light side. The dark side is a corruption and twisting of the Force, which is why Anakin destroying the Sith is what actually brought it into balance, not having equal light and dark.
This is really where the team behind Clone Wars decided to introduce more daring and creative stories. Trust me, I remember watching this on cartoon network as a kid and it completley shaped my love for Star Wars. It only gets better from here!
Awesome detail!! Notice how the father says that what happens in that world is amplified. Well anakin is found to be the chosen one and then turns to the dark side for a period of time then at the end he turns good! Just like what happens in the prequels and the original trilogy!
@preciousotoakhia9789 probably because it was a microcosm of the world outside. It was mainly about Anakin turning to the Darkside then back because he is the chosen one.
@@samuel-sevenstophost6642 but Anakin saw his future of leading them to attacks the Jedi temple, wouldn't that make them important or it was all on anakin
@preciousotoakhia9789 I totally believe that it's important that's why they were included in the vision but not as important as Anakin. Plus, the clones don't have the force, and this is mainly a vision in the realm of the force and not for everyone like Han solo or such.
Surprised you uploaded this today, this one of the best arcs in the show. Also the three are basically Force Gods. Time Travel in Star Wars, what a concept! Also, The Son is voiced by Star Wars alum, superfan, and amazing actor, Sam Witwer, who voiced Starkiller in The Force Unleashed, Darth Maul in... Just about everything after this. And sometimes voiced Emperor Palpatine in games like Battlefront II. Also, besides Liam Neesom, Shmi Skywalker's actress reprises her role here too (Pernilla August).
It's super cool that he could control both the daughter (light) and the son (dark), since in his lifetime he masters both the light and dark side, jedi and sith.
Ashoka dark side consumed is something I never thought I’d see especially when seeing she was truly one of the bests when you see later. What the Jedi should’ve been
If you looked closely to the owl in the murals specifically at the Daughter, you can always see an owl with her. The owl will kind of be an important part of a character later on to watch out for 😉
the Mortis arc is one of my favorites, touching on how anakin is truly the chosen one and the lore behind that. there are many more extremely good arcs to come, buckle up
I still getting chills about this arc. People actually thought Star Wars was about Luke :) The father told him "your selfishness will haunt you" And Vader lived a live of regret and hurt The place was the force in between time. Rebels go further into that *wink*
The cool thing is that this references legends with Luke fighting "The Mother" which is the opposite of The Father. (If the Father is the embodiment of the Force is that The Mother is the Anti-Force)
In my opinion this is the arc that proved this show can be good. I think it aired before a lot of the other good arcs that we think of, and I realized then and there this show was special
Fun fact, if Anakin left with the Son, they would head straight to Coruscant, where both yoda and Sidious would sense their presence, and anakin would kill both of them and rule the galaxy. This was discussed in a book and I would absolutely love to see a What If series!
My favourite story In the whole of Star Wars I love how proved that Darth Vader was the chosen one 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 and most of the questions I have is this part of Star Wars Dave is so good at writing Star Wars
So glad that you stuck it out and got over that bumpy uphill climb that is the early seasons. As you are now well aware, we weren't kidding. Then again, I've seen so many times where fans try to urge you to watch further with the promise of "it gets really good soon" and it never happens, so I can very much understand the struggle (not knowing if it actually gets good or not).
This is by far my favorite arc in The Clone Wars, and may even be the most important. It's just seeping with symbolism and foreshadowing! Not just for Anakin, but it shapes Ahsoka's future, too, if you pay attention to her story going forward in this show and wherever she shows up in other Star Wars media. I REALLY wish I could go on and on here about what I'm talking about, but that'll just spoil everything, so I can't 😅 As for what the Ones are, it's kinda difficult to explain what exactly they are. They aren't gods or the Force itself, but they are Force entities and are extremely powerful (it's pretty obvious that they're powerful, of course. lol). There's a bit more about them in some of the non-canon EU/Legends books pertaining to where they came from and other Force entities they have connections to (*cough* Abeloth *cough*), but it's a lot to read, so try finding some Star Wars lore channels like Star Wars Theory or The Stupendous Wave for digestible information that summarizes what the Ones are better than I ever could.
10:05 - "Too much dark or light would be the undoing of life as you understand it." This is why Anakin was the Chosen One, bringing balance to the Force. There was too much light - too many Jedi - and the Force demanded balance.
One thing that was never mentioned about the One's is their massive impact on the galaxy. This is unfortunately a part of Legends, but this arc was made before Disney took over and made everything after the movies Legends, but the One's actually had a huge part to play in containing the most powerful being in the universe for Star Wars, the 'Mother'. For tens of thousands of years, the One's had imprisoned the Mother, who's name is Abeloth, who was a chaotic force of 'nature'. She was far more powerful than the Father and it took both the Son and Daughter teaming together to just imprison her in the Maw, which the Maw is shown in the Solo movie. With the death of the One's there is no one to contain the Mother and she breaks free about 50 years later and Luke Skywalker, as Grand Master of the Jedi Order, has to deal with Abeloth and it's honestly one of the best Star Wars stories to be written. I highly recommend you two look up not only who Abeloth is, but learn about the Legends timeline.
You guys did it! You got through the early kiddy stuff...and now...now it's all going up from here. I'm so stoked for you on the journey to the end now. Rebels is really worth watching too if everyone hasn't already told you, but they learned from Clone Wars and season 1 is really the only kiddy one but still has good stuff.
This arc is definitely the most confusing. If you didn't know, George used to say in interviews that the balance of the force would be the complete eradication of the dark side, but he came up with this arc, which contradicts those previous statements (statements people like to use against Rian Johnson's depiction of the force in TLJ). Which not only shows that George's views on the force, the balance of the force, etc. had changed over time, but that the force itself is not what we thought it was. Everything we think we know about the force is constantly questioned all the time with new Star Wars content and its amazing. That said, I don't think the message of this arc is that both good and evil must coexist, but that the force must simply exist. TLJ explains this the best, in that the force is merely a tool for people to use, and whether it's light or dark depends entirely on how the user wishes to manifest it. The force is an ecosystem, and ecosystem ebb and flow, forever changing. Life brings death, and death brings life. Too much of one or the other would cause an imbalance. We see this in nature all the time. Predators rely on prey. Prey relies on plant life. And plant life relies on... Well, various thinfs. Plant life is more complicated than animal life. But if you were to remove predators, prey, or plant life, the entire ecosystem would be destroyed in time. And if you created an overabundance of something, similarly drastic effects could take place. It's why the idea of a force diad, one of very few things in ROS that keeps in line with TLJ, works so well. It's not that the light side represents good and the dark side represents evil, it's that they represent life and death. And in order for balance to be achieved they MUST coexist. Or maybe I'm reading way too much into the force diad and the representation of the force in TLJ. Either way, I can say that the Mortis Arc, TLJ, the force diad specifically of ROS, and even the entire character of Bendu in Rebels season 3 present the most complex and more interesting interpretations of the force in my opinion. It's something I wish George and Dave talked more about, but as it is, the stories and ideas themselves are more than enough to make my brain really think about what the force actually is.
To show that Anakin was meant to replace The Father, Anakin also had twins, boy and a girl. This is reflected also because Leia has always been a pinnacle of Light while Luke, a Jedi, struggled with darkness
Not jus Liam Neeson but also Pernilla August. She played Shmi Skywalker back in episode 1. Also Sam Witwer Famous for Starkiller In Force Unleashed 1 and 2. He also played Maul and Palpatine. In Solo he dubs over Ray Park for Maul. Ray also did the Mo-Cap for Maul in the last in Season 7 he did not lose a step since he played the character way back in 99'.
Really loved this arc. This came straight from George Lucas. Dave Filoni was confused by this story and George told him that when he understands this arc he will understand Star Wars. And he says he does now.
How come order 66 and clones like captain rex not mentioned in this due to events in revenge of the sith and clone wars season 7 or where they irrelevant
These beings are not representations of the Force. They are simply beings who has such a strong connection to the various factors of the Force that it has shaped their very physical beings and mental natures. It grants them access to powers unobtainable by any other force sensitive creatures. At least that’s my personal interpretation of it. So while yes the Son definitely was influenced by the Dark Side, he originally was not a slave to it like other Sith. He was meant to be above all that mortal nonsense however vanity and arrogance got the better of him and he began to lose himself to it. As for the Son himself. The dark side has clearly distorted and twisted his thinking. He’s not in his right mind. He’s convinced his father needs to die for him to be free not realizing it’s a path to his own destruction as well since they are linked by blood and the Force. He’s very much like a character out of Greek tragedy or Shakespeare, convincing himself of needing something so badly and yet when it finally is given to him all he feels is fear and regret. So when the Father stabs himself, a moment of realization comes over The Son. He’s incredibly much like what Vader will be. Convinced that he can save Padme and the Republic, only to watch both die and he himself become a slave to the Dark Side and the Emperor. There are a ton of interesting parallels and connections one can make, like how The Son attempts to take power by killing his Father “the balance” only to stab the Daughter (a representation of the Light Side) in the back. Very much like how Anakin betrays the Jedi and stabs them in the back thus causing the Force to be out of balance. And then again it’s Anakin who stabs the Son in the back, wounding the Father, which then creates a balance of the Force through sheer negation of all parties involved. Like how Vader breaks free of the Dark Side to kill Palpatine and save…his son.
To me this is the perfect rhyme to Anakin's Fate... First the light is destroyed and the dark side prevails (EP. III), then Anakin turns to the dark side (Vader), suddenly the father sacrifices himself to destroy evil (Vader killing Palpatine) and at the end Anakin brought balance to the force (as the prophecy said) It's like poetry, it rhymes! 😘🤌🏻
Maybe light and dark isn't as simple as good Vs evil. The dark side is driven by emotions, and the light side tries to dismiss those emotions. But we need emotions to deal with certain situations, and there are situations where the head must rule the heart. Even night and day, life needs both.
This is the one arc that is still debated about among fans to this day. Was this all a dream? There are so many other questions and philosophical debates thanks to this arc, and what they mean for "other shows you've not yet seen".
Thank you so much for uploading these. I use to be a patron but unfortunately I can’t afford to support you guys but I watch and like every video! I love your content so much and as soon as I can I’m getting back on the pattern. Continue the good work y’all!! Y’all are awesome!
This is definitely the most lore-heavy and interesting arc in the entire series. Incredible stuff about the nature of the Force. You got a bit hung up on the good and evil dichotomy, but I think you're taking a too narrow view. The Light and Dark sides of the Force are not merely moral/philosophical; they're more fundamental than that. They are life and death, creation and destruction. It's these aspects of the universe that must be balanced. Life leads to death, and death makes way for new life. This is shown in the symbols shown throughout the arc: the Light nested within Dark nested within Light and so on. Balance in the Force doesn't mean balance between Jedi and Sith, but balance among all forces of creation and destruction. Episode VIII touches on this too, when Luke begins teaching Rey (one of many ideas I wished those movies had gone further with).
19:00 There is an actual answer to that. Lucas was always adamant that Anakin Skywalker had Agency and Free Will even though Force Sensitive people do have Fixed Destinies available to them. Those are provided by The Whills. There wasn't some creature or magic that made Anakin do horrible things. He couldn't Let Go. He gave into his own fear, selfishness, and greed. The Dark Side is the devil on your shoulder but it isn't The Devil. It cannot make you do things you don't already want to do.
On a side note, about the son. I think the reason why its so weird it see him switching between wanting to kill his father and sister to not wanting to is because of how toxic the Dark Side is. While he is a manifestation of the Dark Side, does not mean he is inherently Evil or only able to do Evil. Technically, the Dark Side of the force does not make one evil either. But the power it gives someone can be blinding and devoid someone of reason. His father counciled him to be mindful of this and not let his lust for power compromise his judgement so when he is being barbaric, its not because it is actually what he wants, its because he is on an adrenaline rush of power from the Dark Side. There are some sith in the past who have actually never done anything tyrannical or evil. Its now legends but given time, Disney may venture into that side of the galaxy and explore non-evil Sith.
I’m loving all the clone wars uploads it gives me so much to look forward too some of my favorite stuff thank you to the both of you guys I love it so much
I think the point of "balance" is more that if you have too much altruism and light-side that it causes harm. It's brought up beautifully in KotoR 2. That if all you do is help people all of the time and never let them deal with their own struggles you breed weakness and dependency which hurts them more in the long run. There has to be a balance between how much you do for other people and how much you do for yourself. Which is very much true in real life as you see people now and again that want to please everyone and can't say no to the point that they run themselves ragged. If you don't take care of yourself now and again you won't be good to anybody.
Ironically, KOTOR 2 came out before this arc so who actually came up with this interpretation of the light side and dark side: George Lucas and Dave Filoni or Obsidian? Regardless, I like it a lot and I think it's a lot better than the "ying and yang, cannot be light without darkness" philosophy.
From the moment you both started clone wars I have been waiting for you to get to THIS episode! There are a few more but this was the first episode that really made me think Clone Wars was one of the best Star Wars properties
Im really happy you keep uploading Clone Wars, I really enjoyed it. When I was little I stopped watching the show around where you guys are. Really excited to see what's coming up.
I never noticed how similar the overlapping vocal echoes were to the one Mother Talzin has when she speaks. Maybe that’s why Sidious was threatened by her.
In the original pre-disney star wars timeline there was a creature named Abeloth who was connected to the Father, Daughter and Son. She was the most terrifying character in all star wars. Check It out, just the pictures around the internet make me shiver
This arc is partly the reason why the Sequel Trilogy isn't canon in my head. They make it very clear that Anakin is the Chosen One, and he did that when he killed Palpatine in Episode 6. Then Disney comes in, brings back Palpatine, only to have Rey literally do the exact same thing that Anakin already did!
I think of the things this arc pushes is that the light side of the force doesn't equal good and the dark side of the force doesn't equal to bad instead its more like forces of nature, kinda like day and night, hot and cold, push and pull, life and death too much of one is the death of the universe neither are inherently good or bad. These concepts are shown to be much older and kinda purer than what we know of the starwars universe as of the present, I think thats why they mentioned that the distress signal was very dated. Most of what we know of the force is through the lens of a Jedi or the sith and i think the events within the mortis trilogy does affect the greater universe just not instantaneously, there was definitely weird time travel and alternate dimension stuff in these episodes like how Rex and the trio were in the same place but are not and how the entire thing happened in mere moments in our actual universe and the distress signal that was 2000 years old. plus if you think about it the order of events here does happen in the later movies just gradually the father was incapacitated hence the balance was lost i think this was for the first 2 movies where the sith started making their move, then daughter died hence the jedi purge where most users of the light side perished then for a brief period the son ruled, the dark side of the force reflecting the period of the empire then the son dying as well as the father, kinda like how anakin the chosen one, the one who was meant to replace the father dies as well as the darkside to bring balance to the galaxy so the mortis trilogy does foreshadow kinda the rest of the events in the starwars universe
7:48 must be remembered. The only way Qui gon can be a force ghost is because the force is equally balanced here. It's strength is his way to Obiwan no way else
The Son DID kill Ahsoka. This is canonically her death, but she was revived by daughter, she only lives because of the daughters life within her. She becomes noticeably better and more mature as a result, but is essentially living on borrowed time.
That is in fact Liam Neeson doing the voice. Anakin here taming the children is only a taste of his full potential. But he couldn’t fully reach after what happened on Mustafar. The 3 from Mortis are like gods that represent aspects of the force, son is the dark side, light is the daughter, and the father is complete balance. These 3 may be gods but the force in the chosen one was always meant to be stronger.
On the topic of light/dark balance I tend to agree with Holden, and I believe George Lucas does as well as he has kind of clarified that "balance in the force" requires the destruction of the Sith because they are an abomination of the force.
"Goodness is independent of evil." What is considered good or evil is subjective, so 'from a certain point of view', how can there be good without evil or light without dark.
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Y’all are going crazy with the clone wars uploads and it’s making me so happy!
Facts! Lets gooo! Been waiting for this
Well no reason to hold back when these have been live for a few months now lol.
Same here bro
@@Kjf365 true but I didn’t expect them to be uploading 3 videos back to back
Two Clone Wars videos in a day? A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one
When I first saw this as a kid I screamed seeing Qui-Gon. But rewatching it again after many years you can hear the reverence Anakin has when he calls Qui-Gon ‘master’ with other Jedi Obi-Wan included he says it as a title but with Qui-Gon you can hear the respect he has. Yeah they got Liam Nesson back to voice Qui-Gon again as did the actress who played Anakin’s mom.
And being the father figure he needed, it almost sounds like he's yelling "father"
@@nikmar77 considering this was pre Disney acquisition a young protagonist yelling ‘father’ to the ghostly apparition of the dead figure was fitting.
I think it’s because the father killed himself and willingly took away the son’s power, but if just died of age or if the son killed him he might have retained his power.
Also: The dark side represents selfishness and the light represents selflessness. Selfishness, depending on the situation, isn’t necessarily a bad thing. I think that’s what they’re hinting at.
Regardless, loved your reaction and I’m glad y’all loved this arc.
And the fact that he was able to affect Ahsoka shows that everyone can be susceptible to the temptations of the dark side, even the truest of the Jedi.
I don’t think he took away all power from the son but he made him a mortal so he could die to a lightsaber.
Arguably one of the most important batches of episodes in the series. This arc has become consistently referenced in future shows
That's interesting, what other shows referenced it?
@@mikahraptor8849 At least Mandalorian and Star Wars Rebels, Basically anything that has Ahsoka in it
Were in the Mandalorian? I can't recall it
@@mikahraptor8849 in the mandalorian, when he meets ahsoka, there is an owl (convor) called morai watching over them. morai is connected to the daughter, or a physical representation of the daughter outside of mortis
morai became connected to ahsoka after the death of the daughter because she gave the last part of her life to save ahsoka.
morai can be seen in rebels, and it is explained in the arc when Ezra saves ahsoka from the sith temple
u can see this scene if u look up morai ahsoka in the mandalorian
Oh okay yeah that makes sense, thank you.
My wife talked me into watching this series and this arc had me so intrigued to watch the rest of the show and I did not regret it in the slightest.
based wife, marry her
@@dankerbell I think that’s why she’s called wife lmao
@@dankerbell when I realized she was a bigger Star Wars than I was, and knew stuff I didn’t know because I didn’t watch Clone Wars and Rebels I knew she was the one…. We then binge watched everything and when season 7 came we both cried together lol
@@Thorozakcongratulations man, very happy for you and your wife
Two uploads of clone wars so soon let's go!! The whole Mortis storyline and lore behind it is so good 👌🏻
One of the best arcs in Clone Wars. It perfectly emphasises Anakin’s life and destiny as the Chosen One
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The son and the daughter are the physical embodiments of the dark and light side of the force yes. The father representing the balance. They are referred to as the " The Mortis Gods " by a special someone in another piece of star wars media.
its either gods or guards. they should watch rebels 😀 when they see wolves and the door and wolrd between worlds
@@mikaelson1194 In real time they are well into season 1 of Rebels, with episodes 9-12 being dropped today on patreon, if they don't slip from their release schedule
Fun fact, Sam Witwer; the voice of Maul; also did the voice of The Son. You can really hear it at 23:27 when the Father stabs himself. His voice has that classic Sam Witwer characteristic to it.
First the daughter died symbolizing the death of the Jedi, then the son died symbolizing the death of the Sith to bring balance as is what happened in the movies.
This exact arc right here is where Clone Wars turns from a kids show into some of the best, craziest Star Wars content of all time
Happy thanksgiving guys and thank you!!! This was a very pleasant surprise 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
24:30 Personally, even as an 8 year old little boy having watched TCW back when it first came out in 2008-2014, I was never annoyed by "Snips" and "Skyguy" at all! I actually loved and enjoyed the little nicknames they gave each other throughout the show's original airdates and even to this day as a 22 year old, full grown man--partially because of nostalgia and fond childhood memories of watching new episodes of TCW every week of course, haha. But yeah, it's very realistic and relatable in that IRL friends give each other nicknames all the time too. People get called nicknames all the time, especially in friendships, including myself, so I never really was annoyed by that or felt it was out of place whatsoever. Ahsoka can indeed be snippy at times after all and Anakin's last name is just a bit too irresistible to poke fun at whenever given the chance. ;) But I do love that the characters got annoyed by that though, that was also always fun to watch as well, hehe. 😁
This is my favorite arc of the Clone Wars, and my favorite part of all Star Wars. The Father of Mortis is my favorite character in all Star Wars.
I simultaneously wish we had more of Mortis and that it’s kept completely mysterious.
I know this was recorded for Patreon long ago, but I just wanted to let y'all know that Dave Filoni originally added Darth Bane and Darth Revan into a scene where they talk to the Son and it's really cool. There is even a scene on TH-cam not fully animated, which I recommend you watch if you haven't already.
There are three arcs I thought holden would love most. The Mortis arc, the Umbara arc, and the final 4 episodes. I think they’re peak Clone Wars. He likely will find all dealing with Savage Opress, Mandalore, and Anakins descent highly enjoyable as well
We are very thankful for this! Its a surprise for sure, but a welcome one.
WOOO 2 amazing Clone Wars arcs on the same day, love it. This is one of the arcs I was most excited to see y'alls reaction to
To Holden's point: I'm fairly sure that at some point Lucas said that the Force as it naturally exists only contains the light side. The dark side is a corruption and twisting of the Force, which is why Anakin destroying the Sith is what actually brought it into balance, not having equal light and dark.
This is really where the team behind Clone Wars decided to introduce more daring and creative stories. Trust me, I remember watching this on cartoon network as a kid and it completley shaped my love for Star Wars. It only gets better from here!
I think the arcs get better because they became more confident in the stories they could tell and the scope of them
Awesome detail!! Notice how the father says that what happens in that world is amplified. Well anakin is found to be the chosen one and then turns to the dark side for a period of time then at the end he turns good! Just like what happens in the prequels and the original trilogy!
it's like poetry. it rhymes.
How come order 66 was not mentioned and aftermath of the clones as well
@preciousotoakhia9789 probably because it was a microcosm of the world outside. It was mainly about Anakin turning to the Darkside then back because he is the chosen one.
@@samuel-sevenstophost6642 but Anakin saw his future of leading them to attacks the Jedi temple, wouldn't that make them important or it was all on anakin
@preciousotoakhia9789 I totally believe that it's important that's why they were included in the vision but not as important as Anakin. Plus, the clones don't have the force, and this is mainly a vision in the realm of the force and not for everyone like Han solo or such.
Double post?!! Sheesh 🎉 Happy Thanksgiving!
Surprised you uploaded this today, this one of the best arcs in the show. Also the three are basically Force Gods. Time Travel in Star Wars, what a concept!
Also, The Son is voiced by Star Wars alum, superfan, and amazing actor, Sam Witwer, who voiced Starkiller in The Force Unleashed, Darth Maul in... Just about everything after this. And sometimes voiced Emperor Palpatine in games like Battlefront II.
Also, besides Liam Neesom, Shmi Skywalker's actress reprises her role here too (Pernilla August).
It's super cool that he could control both the daughter (light) and the son (dark), since in his lifetime he masters both the light and dark side, jedi and sith.
Ashoka dark side consumed is something I never thought I’d see especially when seeing she was truly one of the bests when you see later. What the Jedi should’ve been
that “ON YOUR KNEES” at 8:07 gives me goosebumps and its so powerful 😮💨
This is my personal favorite clone wars arc, the symbolism is almost every scene is insane
How come order 66 and clones went in this
If you looked closely to the owl in the murals specifically at the Daughter, you can always see an owl with her.
The owl will kind of be an important part of a character later on to watch out for 😉
the Mortis arc is one of my favorites, touching on how anakin is truly the chosen one and the lore behind that. there are many more extremely good arcs to come, buckle up
I still getting chills about this arc. People actually thought Star Wars was about Luke :) The father told him "your selfishness will haunt you"
And Vader lived a live of regret and hurt
The place was the force in between time. Rebels go further into that *wink*
How come order 66 and aftermath of the clones like captain rex where not mentioned or was it irrelevant because it was all anakin
The cool thing is that this references legends with Luke fighting "The Mother" which is the opposite of The Father. (If the Father is the embodiment of the Force is that The Mother is the Anti-Force)
In my opinion this is the arc that proved this show can be good. I think it aired before a lot of the other good arcs that we think of, and I realized then and there this show was special
Fun fact, if Anakin left with the Son, they would head straight to Coruscant, where both yoda and Sidious would sense their presence, and anakin would kill both of them and rule the galaxy. This was discussed in a book and I would absolutely love to see a What If series!
If that happened what will happen to the clone army and droid army along with the republic and Separatists
Mad respect for putting up 2 videos Holden & Jen, Happy Thanksgiving !! :)
My favourite story In the whole of Star Wars I love how proved that Darth Vader was the chosen one 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 and most of the questions I have is this part of Star Wars Dave is so good at writing Star Wars
1:18 "It's a 2000-year old code, but it checks out." - The Jedi
So glad that you stuck it out and got over that bumpy uphill climb that is the early seasons. As you are now well aware, we weren't kidding. Then again, I've seen so many times where fans try to urge you to watch further with the promise of "it gets really good soon" and it never happens, so I can very much understand the struggle (not knowing if it actually gets good or not).
My favorite arc! I still find myself just going back and rewatching it and finding new things every time that I’ve missed.
This is by far my favorite arc in The Clone Wars, and may even be the most important. It's just seeping with symbolism and foreshadowing! Not just for Anakin, but it shapes Ahsoka's future, too, if you pay attention to her story going forward in this show and wherever she shows up in other Star Wars media. I REALLY wish I could go on and on here about what I'm talking about, but that'll just spoil everything, so I can't 😅
As for what the Ones are, it's kinda difficult to explain what exactly they are. They aren't gods or the Force itself, but they are Force entities and are extremely powerful (it's pretty obvious that they're powerful, of course. lol). There's a bit more about them in some of the non-canon EU/Legends books pertaining to where they came from and other Force entities they have connections to (*cough* Abeloth *cough*), but it's a lot to read, so try finding some Star Wars lore channels like Star Wars Theory or The Stupendous Wave for digestible information that summarizes what the Ones are better than I ever could.
Fun fact Sam Witwer who plays The Son also plays Starkiller from The Force Unleashed, Darth Maul and sometimes The Emperor/ Palpatine.
10:05 - "Too much dark or light would be the undoing of life as you understand it."
This is why Anakin was the Chosen One, bringing balance to the Force. There was too much light - too many Jedi - and the Force demanded balance.
Time travel in Star Wars Holden? Don't be absurd! 👀
One thing that was never mentioned about the One's is their massive impact on the galaxy. This is unfortunately a part of Legends, but this arc was made before Disney took over and made everything after the movies Legends, but the One's actually had a huge part to play in containing the most powerful being in the universe for Star Wars, the 'Mother'. For tens of thousands of years, the One's had imprisoned the Mother, who's name is Abeloth, who was a chaotic force of 'nature'. She was far more powerful than the Father and it took both the Son and Daughter teaming together to just imprison her in the Maw, which the Maw is shown in the Solo movie. With the death of the One's there is no one to contain the Mother and she breaks free about 50 years later and Luke Skywalker, as Grand Master of the Jedi Order, has to deal with Abeloth and it's honestly one of the best Star Wars stories to be written. I highly recommend you two look up not only who Abeloth is, but learn about the Legends timeline.
Are you guys gonna watch the Andror series? It is so overlooked and is the best live action Star Wars show!
You guys did it! You got through the early kiddy stuff...and now...now it's all going up from here. I'm so stoked for you on the journey to the end now. Rebels is really worth watching too if everyone hasn't already told you, but they learned from Clone Wars and season 1 is really the only kiddy one but still has good stuff.
Fun Fact: The Son is voiced by Sam Witwer, who played Darth Maul in Solo
This arc is definitely the most confusing. If you didn't know, George used to say in interviews that the balance of the force would be the complete eradication of the dark side, but he came up with this arc, which contradicts those previous statements (statements people like to use against Rian Johnson's depiction of the force in TLJ). Which not only shows that George's views on the force, the balance of the force, etc. had changed over time, but that the force itself is not what we thought it was. Everything we think we know about the force is constantly questioned all the time with new Star Wars content and its amazing.
That said, I don't think the message of this arc is that both good and evil must coexist, but that the force must simply exist. TLJ explains this the best, in that the force is merely a tool for people to use, and whether it's light or dark depends entirely on how the user wishes to manifest it. The force is an ecosystem, and ecosystem ebb and flow, forever changing. Life brings death, and death brings life. Too much of one or the other would cause an imbalance. We see this in nature all the time. Predators rely on prey. Prey relies on plant life. And plant life relies on... Well, various thinfs. Plant life is more complicated than animal life. But if you were to remove predators, prey, or plant life, the entire ecosystem would be destroyed in time. And if you created an overabundance of something, similarly drastic effects could take place. It's why the idea of a force diad, one of very few things in ROS that keeps in line with TLJ, works so well. It's not that the light side represents good and the dark side represents evil, it's that they represent life and death. And in order for balance to be achieved they MUST coexist.
Or maybe I'm reading way too much into the force diad and the representation of the force in TLJ. Either way, I can say that the Mortis Arc, TLJ, the force diad specifically of ROS, and even the entire character of Bendu in Rebels season 3 present the most complex and more interesting interpretations of the force in my opinion. It's something I wish George and Dave talked more about, but as it is, the stories and ideas themselves are more than enough to make my brain really think about what the force actually is.
I was so enthralled by this arc when I first saw it. Definitely one of the most renowned arcs, and for good reason.
At the end of every clone wars episode, i feel sad its over. But then you rascals, you UPLOAD ANOTHER ONE the same evening. Love it.
My notification went off and I thought “It can’t be”. But it is. And I love it.
This was the one I was waiting for! Honestly my favorite arc.
One of my favs but it does not compare with umbara and siege of mandalore
@@Andrew-wv7ql I just love the cinematography and just really cool “camera tricks” in this
To show that Anakin was meant to replace The Father, Anakin also had twins, boy and a girl. This is reflected also because Leia has always been a pinnacle of Light while Luke, a Jedi, struggled with darkness
That "Have you trained the boy?" line always has me in goosebumps.
Not jus Liam Neeson but also Pernilla August. She played Shmi Skywalker back in episode 1. Also Sam Witwer Famous for Starkiller In Force Unleashed 1 and 2. He also played Maul and Palpatine. In Solo he dubs over Ray Park for Maul. Ray also did the Mo-Cap for Maul in the last in Season 7 he did not lose a step since he played the character way back in 99'.
Really loved this arc. This came straight from George Lucas. Dave Filoni was confused by this story and George told him that when he understands this arc he will understand Star Wars. And he says he does now.
How come order 66 and clones like captain rex not mentioned in this due to events in revenge of the sith and clone wars season 7 or where they irrelevant
These beings are not representations of the Force. They are simply beings who has such a strong connection to the various factors of the Force that it has shaped their very physical beings and mental natures. It grants them access to powers unobtainable by any other force sensitive creatures. At least that’s my personal interpretation of it. So while yes the Son definitely was influenced by the Dark Side, he originally was not a slave to it like other Sith. He was meant to be above all that mortal nonsense however vanity and arrogance got the better of him and he began to lose himself to it.
As for the Son himself. The dark side has clearly distorted and twisted his thinking. He’s not in his right mind. He’s convinced his father needs to die for him to be free not realizing it’s a path to his own destruction as well since they are linked by blood and the Force. He’s very much like a character out of Greek tragedy or Shakespeare, convincing himself of needing something so badly and yet when it finally is given to him all he feels is fear and regret. So when the Father stabs himself, a moment of realization comes over The Son.
He’s incredibly much like what Vader will be. Convinced that he can save Padme and the Republic, only to watch both die and he himself become a slave to the Dark Side and the Emperor.
There are a ton of interesting parallels and connections one can make, like how The Son attempts to take power by killing his Father “the balance” only to stab the Daughter (a representation of the Light Side) in the back. Very much like how Anakin betrays the Jedi and stabs them in the back thus causing the Force to be out of balance.
And then again it’s Anakin who stabs the Son in the back, wounding the Father, which then creates a balance of the Force through sheer negation of all parties involved. Like how Vader breaks free of the Dark Side to kill Palpatine and save…his son.
To me this is the perfect rhyme to Anakin's Fate... First the light is destroyed and the dark side prevails (EP. III), then Anakin turns to the dark side (Vader), suddenly the father sacrifices himself to destroy evil (Vader killing Palpatine) and at the end Anakin brought balance to the force (as the prophecy said)
It's like poetry, it rhymes! 😘🤌🏻
How come order 66 and aftermath of the clones where not mentioned in this arc
This is still my favorite arc of the show because of how it explores the Force.
Maybe light and dark isn't as simple as good Vs evil.
The dark side is driven by emotions, and the light side tries to dismiss those emotions.
But we need emotions to deal with certain situations, and there are situations where the head must rule the heart.
Even night and day, life needs both.
This is the one arc that is still debated about among fans to this day. Was this all a dream? There are so many other questions and philosophical debates thanks to this arc, and what they mean for "other shows you've not yet seen".
Thank you so much for uploading these. I use to be a patron but unfortunately I can’t afford to support you guys but I watch and like every video! I love your content so much and as soon as I can I’m getting back on the pattern. Continue the good work y’all!! Y’all are awesome!
Not only was that Liam Neeson but the lady that played Anakins mom also did her voice in that episode as well.
“Let’s get into it”
Dances across yard in kilt
The Umbara episodes of the Clone Wars are some of my favourites. Can't wait for you guys to check it out!
This is definitely the most lore-heavy and interesting arc in the entire series. Incredible stuff about the nature of the Force. You got a bit hung up on the good and evil dichotomy, but I think you're taking a too narrow view. The Light and Dark sides of the Force are not merely moral/philosophical; they're more fundamental than that. They are life and death, creation and destruction. It's these aspects of the universe that must be balanced. Life leads to death, and death makes way for new life. This is shown in the symbols shown throughout the arc: the Light nested within Dark nested within Light and so on. Balance in the Force doesn't mean balance between Jedi and Sith, but balance among all forces of creation and destruction. Episode VIII touches on this too, when Luke begins teaching Rey (one of many ideas I wished those movies had gone further with).
The double clone wars videos is such a surprise. My friend just passed. Thanks for this joy ❤
19:00 There is an actual answer to that. Lucas was always adamant that Anakin Skywalker had Agency and Free Will even though Force Sensitive people do have Fixed Destinies available to them. Those are provided by The Whills.
There wasn't some creature or magic that made Anakin do horrible things. He couldn't Let Go. He gave into his own fear, selfishness, and greed.
The Dark Side is the devil on your shoulder but it isn't The Devil. It cannot make you do things you don't already want to do.
On a side note, about the son. I think the reason why its so weird it see him switching between wanting to kill his father and sister to not wanting to is because of how toxic the Dark Side is. While he is a manifestation of the Dark Side, does not mean he is inherently Evil or only able to do Evil. Technically, the Dark Side of the force does not make one evil either. But the power it gives someone can be blinding and devoid someone of reason. His father counciled him to be mindful of this and not let his lust for power compromise his judgement so when he is being barbaric, its not because it is actually what he wants, its because he is on an adrenaline rush of power from the Dark Side.
There are some sith in the past who have actually never done anything tyrannical or evil. Its now legends but given time, Disney may venture into that side of the galaxy and explore non-evil Sith.
So happy you're posting so many clone wars videos!
Two videos in one day?? I'm loving it!! ❤️❤️
I’m loving all the clone wars uploads it gives me so much to look forward too some of my favorite stuff thank you to the both of you guys I love it so much
I think the point of "balance" is more that if you have too much altruism and light-side that it causes harm. It's brought up beautifully in KotoR 2. That if all you do is help people all of the time and never let them deal with their own struggles you breed weakness and dependency which hurts them more in the long run. There has to be a balance between how much you do for other people and how much you do for yourself. Which is very much true in real life as you see people now and again that want to please everyone and can't say no to the point that they run themselves ragged. If you don't take care of yourself now and again you won't be good to anybody.
Ironically, KOTOR 2 came out before this arc so who actually came up with this interpretation of the light side and dark side: George Lucas and Dave Filoni or Obsidian? Regardless, I like it a lot and I think it's a lot better than the "ying and yang, cannot be light without darkness" philosophy.
From the moment you both started clone wars I have been waiting for you to get to THIS episode! There are a few more but this was the first episode that really made me think Clone Wars was one of the best Star Wars properties
Im really happy you keep uploading Clone Wars, I really enjoyed it. When I was little I stopped watching the show around where you guys are. Really excited to see what's coming up.
I never noticed how similar the overlapping vocal echoes were to the one Mother Talzin has when she speaks. Maybe that’s why Sidious was threatened by her.
I love watching Anakin turn to the dark side to avoid turning to the dark side. Classic Anakin.
Excellent explanation about that Good can exist without Evil, and that Evil is perversion of Good 👏
In the original pre-disney star wars timeline there was a creature named Abeloth who was connected to the Father, Daughter and Son. She was the most terrifying character in all star wars. Check It out, just the pictures around the internet make me shiver
So the thing about the red lightning. Only force gods aligned with the dark side can use it
Damn so fast! Yeah they’re getting into the thick of the show now! Thank goodness
This arc is partly the reason why the Sequel Trilogy isn't canon in my head. They make it very clear that Anakin is the Chosen One, and he did that when he killed Palpatine in Episode 6. Then Disney comes in, brings back Palpatine, only to have Rey literally do the exact same thing that Anakin already did!
Keep up with the Clone Wars uploads awesome content! The show just keeps getting better from here
Thank you for the fast uploads! I love revisiting this show with you guys.
I think of the things this arc pushes is that the light side of the force doesn't equal good and the dark side of the force doesn't equal to bad
instead its more like forces of nature, kinda like day and night, hot and cold, push and pull, life and death
too much of one is the death of the universe neither are inherently good or bad. These concepts are shown to be much older and kinda purer than what we know of the starwars universe as of the present, I think thats why they mentioned that the distress signal was very dated. Most of what we know of the force is through the lens of a Jedi or the sith
and i think the events within the mortis trilogy does affect the greater universe just not instantaneously, there was definitely weird time travel and alternate dimension stuff in these episodes like how Rex and the trio were in the same place but are not and how the entire thing happened in mere moments in our actual universe and the distress signal that was 2000 years old.
plus if you think about it the order of events here does happen in the later movies just gradually
the father was incapacitated hence the balance was lost i think this was for the first 2 movies where the sith started making their move, then daughter died hence the jedi purge where most users of the light side perished then for a brief period the son ruled, the dark side of the force reflecting the period of the empire then the son dying as well as the father, kinda like how anakin the chosen one, the one who was meant to replace the father dies as well as the darkside to bring balance to the galaxy
so the mortis trilogy does foreshadow kinda the rest of the events in the starwars universe
how come aftermath of the clones like captain rex where not forshadowed
7:48 must be remembered. The only way Qui gon can be a force ghost is because the force is equally balanced here. It's strength is his way to Obiwan no way else
I'm glad you guys stuck with it to see these kinda arcs and how good Clone Wars really is.
The Son DID kill Ahsoka. This is canonically her death, but she was revived by daughter, she only lives because of the daughters life within her. She becomes noticeably better and more mature as a result, but is essentially living on borrowed time.
Thank yall for the uploads, definitely helped with the day
A miracle of thanksgiving! Wowee, love you guys
Waited for this reaction for a long time. Sam Witwers first voicerole in this animated series as The Son really confirms he fits there.
That is in fact Liam Neeson doing the voice. Anakin here taming the children is only a taste of his full potential. But he couldn’t fully reach after what happened on Mustafar. The 3 from Mortis are like gods that represent aspects of the force, son is the dark side, light is the daughter, and the father is complete balance. These 3 may be gods but the force in the chosen one was always meant to be stronger.
2 clone wars videos in one day? I’m thankful for that absolutely! Happy Thanksgiving Holden and Jen
On the topic of light/dark balance I tend to agree with Holden, and I believe George Lucas does as well as he has kind of clarified that "balance in the force" requires the destruction of the Sith because they are an abomination of the force.
I’ve been waiting so long for y’all to post the clone wars reactions and y’all are just pumping them out and it’s awesome!
I can’t help but love how good Sam is as the son and soon as maul
This Clone Wars videos are releasing FAST… I’m enjoying it a lot.
This episode made me not sleep at night. The only SW related content that creep me up.
"Goodness is independent of evil." What is considered good or evil is subjective, so 'from a certain point of view', how can there be good without evil or light without dark.