Memon Culture, Cricket in Pakistan and Pakistan's Economic Challenges - Uzair Younus -
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- Uzair Younus comes back on The Pakistan Experience to discuss his visit to Karachi, Memon Culture, Gujrati Heritage, why India is thriving Economically and Pakistan is not, the Fitness issues of the Pakistani cricket team, stunted child growth in Pakistan, the Pakistani elites, 18th Amendment, Elections, PTI, PML-N, Smuggling, Chaliya and more.
Uzair Younus is the director of the Pakistan Initiative at the Atlantic Council’s South Asia Center.
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Chapters
0:00 Introduction and Uzair’s popularity in India
3:00 Uzair’s visit to Karachi
6:00 Language issue, Gujarati, Memons and Homogenization of cultures
18:00 Difference in Gujrati Memons and Pakistani Memons
22:00 Why is India thriving Economically and Pakistan is not?
27:30 Sports and Pakistan’s rejection of the Scientific Method
32:00 Pakistani cricketers fitness issues and the Sports Board
42:00 Pakistan needs to focus on Education and Healthcare
46:00 The Pakistani elites don’t care about the Pakistani public
55:00 Local Taxation and the 18th Amendment
1:03:00 Finance Minister won’t be able to fix everything
1:05:30 Difference in Indian and Pakistani Finance Ministry
1:10:00 Elections: PTI vs PML-N
1:19:00 Propaganda in Pakistan and Political musical chairs
1:28:00 Riko Deq
1:33:00 Jehangir Tareen's seed policy and Smuggling on the borders
1:41:00 Audience Questions - บันเทิง
Am not a Bhakt but Jo Marzi anyone say about Modi but no one can deny the fact that it's under him our nation decided to be ambitious than mediocary & 2014 is going to be marked as a pivotal year in history in the making of India that we deserve.
Modi is many terrible things but he did bring India to a much higher level on many productive metrics. Credit where credit is due.
Much of this development is overrated by Propaganda driven media hype....
1. 5 th largest economy, will become 3rd largest soon, blah blah blah.... Look at per capita income hardly any growth. Even Bangladesh per capita gdp is better than India now.
2. Earlier government used to conduct National sample Survey ( NSS) every 5 years, one of many outcome was, used to measure poverty in India, now no survey in last 6 years...
Joke --- Last 2017-18 NSS survey results were abandoned by government by saying there is too much discrepancies in the survey. The survey results showed for first time since 1991 poverty was increased in India... no media coverage nothing. 2017 gdp growth was 4.5%.
3 . government stopped publishing unemployment data... Jobless growth... No official government unemployment data since 2015.
Development is more of hype than reality...
@@Nashadelicable Modi has been riding on the works of PM MMS. Modi has presided over a jobless growth of Indian economy.
I'm a staunch Modi hater because of his political ideology ... But he has had a positive impact n Indian economy
@@paulhall1612if ppl are jobless they why sales of expensive items like iphone & cars are all time high
As a Sikh born & raised in Mumbai (my grandfather moved to Mumbai from Lahore during the partition), I can speak fluently in Punjabi, Marathi & Gujarati besides Hindi & English. That's the beauty of India. We consider our diversity as our strength and not weakness.
As a flying spaghetti monster worshipper i can also understand these languages but can only write hindi, punjabi and english.
I can speak , read and write Punjabi, Gujarati, Hindi and English. Jai Hind 🇮🇳. Speak haryanvi too.
It is not india thriving.....it is only indian billionaires are thriving not indian people...only few people billionaires are thriving against 140 crore indian poor people......overall condition of indians is not better than Pakistanis...
My father who was born in Karachi amd came to India in 1947 had a great saying.....YOUR RELIGION SHOULD BE AS PRIVATE AS YOUR UNDERWEAR...DO YOU SHOW YOUR UNDERWEAR TO PUBLIC...solution to pakistan is in this.
Strive towards excellence and don't let religion interfere with other things.
Same applies to india too. Sad reality is that india is trying to ape pakistan lately.
@manishjoshi9995 Paks declared aim is to conquer Bharat even if it means 1000 year war & religion as a motivation is required. Understand the mindset first
The 🩲 analogy is memorable.
On this statement I remembered one hindi song :
Mehalone loot liya bachpan ka pyar Mera........
Majhab ne loot liya sukoon aur chain Pakistan ka ......
😢😢
*Bharat banega Hindu rashtra.*
Pakistan slogan:When goal is jannat, why do mehnat?
As an Indian punjabi we love our culture . Every Indian have two identities one is state identity ( punjabi or Gujrati ) and other identity is out common identity(indian ) we call ourselves punjabi Indian . If someone told us to choose one from both identities we will refuse it . Because we are proud Indian and proud punjabi so choosing between two two identities is equal to choosing one parent between mother and father . I can speak multiple languages but Punjab is still my mother tongue and we are proudly speak punjabi but in Pakistan Punjabi thinks Urdu is superior than punjabi and punjabi speaking people are pendu .
Well interesting is that before partition in Punjab there was a census (think 1941) people where asked to declare their first language. Muslims wrote Urdu, Hindus wrote Hindi only Sikhs wrote Punjabi. So only Sikhs really owned it although ALL three spoke it at home. So the politics of this right upto now can be seen in Pakistan but also in India
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s gurmukhi to be precise ; Punjabi in Pakistan wrote in Shah-mukhi. Gurmukhi is based on Brahmi-which forms the basis Tamil Sanskrit Pali Prakrit Saka- region in NWFP and proto sinaitic- Ancient egyptian and standardized post Guru Angad 2nd Sikh Guru in 1525-1530 while Shah-mukhi is based on Persian. Urdu is local to Lucknow yes it is influenced by Persia has Persian script but is developed from Apabramsha prakrit and Sanskrit roots then Hindustani ; Brijbasha while script is Persian- Arabic. Even pre-Islam Ancient Persian has immense similarity with Sanskrit.
Agar firdaus bar roo-e zameen ast,
Hameen ast-o hameen ast-o hameen ast.- Amir Khusrau on Kashmir;
Ast is Old persian; Asti- to be/being in Sanskrit and Old persian.
India and Iran have contributed immensely to the development of language in Central and South Asia
Well as said it's about taking ownership of a language. It is not that in Pakistan Punjab they can not speak it, they can very well. In fact, the accent is more "Thaht". It's just owning it and then providing resources for it.
@@apurvabhide2860So it’s the responsibility of the government to calm down the community and address the issues in a constructive way. You can’t just blame the community, other people are also to be blamed including people who call every Punjabi as Khalistani.
I had a roommate in college who was from Patiala...bugger made me want to learn Punjabi!!! It's contagious 🤣🤣🤣
I had recently been to gujju momim Muslims household in Canada.. we were a couple of Brahmin families being invited for lunch.. I casually mentioned that we had spoilt a weekend for them by having a vegetarian only lunch.. they retorted saying that they have a non vegetarian meal only twice every month because they are majorly vegetarians.. was surprised that they sing both Ramayana and Mahabharat in their offerings.. was pretty eye opening view point
Pakistani Muslims sings
Ismaili- Khoja ?
Kya bakwas Hai.
KUCH BHI .
Never trust an endian loe through their teeth.
Gujarati Muslims are nice in general especially compared to UP, Delhi, Mumbai etc. Muslims.
I am from Ahmedabad, living in the USA currently.
When my mom was a child, their neighbours family were Muslims. My mom used to tie Rakhi to that neighbour since they were kids. That tradition is still going on and I call that uncle MAMA.
Him and his entire family is invited to all our festivals, celebrations and events etc. and vice versa. Whenever I go to India, I go see them too.
That Probably never happened 😅
6:45 being a Pakistani Gujrati, I 100% agree here. How we lost Gujrati in Pakistan slowly slowly 😢😢😢😢😢 its heart breaking 😢
School me nahi padhate?
@Raw7216 no not at all. Sadly they banned Gujrati in the school long time ago
@@khadija4801Sad... infact brain development improves with knowledge of multiple languages
@@khadija4801 Who banned it? Was Gujrati ever taught in the state schools?
@@Raw7216
Sindhi (in Sindh province) and Urdu is but not Gujrati
My daughter lives in uk with me and she can speak Sindhi and English but not Urdu. I preferred Sindhi over Urdu because I never wanted her to suffer from identity crisis.
She is now very clear who she is, what’s her culture and where her roots are.
She will lose her identity if she speaks Urdu, but not if she speaks English?
@@Kohestani_
I can’t prefer Urdu over English in England 😂
@@zafkhwaja My Q remained unanswered. Will your daughter lose her identity if she speaks only English?
@@Kohestani_everybody should be able to speak their mother tongue.
@@zafkhwaja good job uncle ji
Once always proud of your regional language 😊😊😊😊
My niece is born and raised in USA. Certainly she did not go to a Gujarati medium school. But she can read and write Gujarati. Her parents - my brother and bhabhi were born and raised in India and went to English medium schools also. Gujarati was not the medium of instruction in schools. It was taught at home by the parents.
It is not just language but classical music, classical dance are flourishing not just in India but among Indians in US. Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada, Bengali, Marathi movie industries are flourishing. Regional language newspapers flourish in India. Gujarati theatre is thriving.
Wow
Buddy switch On your autocorrect 😂😂
@@rohand04Fair comment. Fixed the typos.
Regional languages are taught in English-medium schools as well, so it's not true that your brother didn't learn Gujarati at his school. As an Maharashtra, I attended an English-medium school as well, but we were required to learn at least four languages-Marathi, English, Hindi, and we were given option to choose from sanskrit/german/french , and people in Pune, like myself, are also multilingual and can speak many other languages too like My family has large influence from konkan so i can speak kokani too and my mausis husband is Bengali, so I can speak a little bit of Bengali, too.
@@samlol6500 in gujrat, Hindi and English are compulsory to learn and then you can choose between Sanskrit and Gujarati as third language (for CBSE board).
In India every person is very proud of his mother tongue and his state language .
That's the reason why the younger urban middle class likes to speak English 😉
This is an important factor in enhanced literacy, education and development
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s I would argue English is also an Indian language at this point. India has one of (if not the) highest number of people speaking English in the world. If you include English speakers from the entire subcontinent, certainly it's the highest. Indian English is studied by linguists at this point and has characteristics not found in other versions of English.
The thing is...once some things enter from "outside" and are accepted into a culture they become the cultures own. Food gives us some very good examples of this. Where the Samosa or the Pav are now widely recognized as "Indian" dishes, they originally came from Persia and Portugal respectively. Does that mean they're not India? NO! Because they have now become a part of the culture and tradition. Likewise, English, with its many speakers on the subcontinent, and it's body of literature from anglophone speakers in both India and Pakistan, can and should certainly be considered an Indian language.
One last thing---people can speak multiple languages you know? Just because I typed this in English...इसका मतलब यह नहीं कि मुझे हिन्दी नहीं आती. نہ ہی اسکا یہ مطلب ہے کہ میں اردو نہیں جانتا. So... You know...maybe we can all learn more languages and learn to appreciate each of them?
@graffitiabcd
Nice comment 👍 appreciate it. Well, most of us speak multiple languages and have multiple identities. Issue is when one language dominates. Or one is considered superior/inferior to the other like Urdu/Punjabi. So, using any language is primarily just a means of communication, but one can not deny there is a certain power dynamic involved when English is used. This is true also in Pakistan but much much more in India. One can not deny that there is a mindset that an English speaking person is considered "parha likha" well, and the rest are "gawar" and that is an overhang of British Raj...
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s yes that's so true!! Unfortunately, the speaker of English is perceived as "superior" to the speaker of other languages in India. While you're absolutely correct in pointing out this is a colonial hangover, I think another aspect of this is the economic condition brought about by globalization much later, where English speakers get better jobs etc. (arguably globalization is a tacit continuation of colonialism, perhaps even a kind of neocolonialism) Which all...kinda sucks.
There's also the issue of "correct" and "wrong" English. While as a linguist, and as most linguists would, I absolutely deny the idea that there can be an "incorrect" way to speak a language as long as you get the point across, a lot of people in today's world are obsessed with grammar policing and taking pride in their correct usage of English. A lot of my pakistani friends also police "proper urdu" the same way. This is another way that people reinforce class and caste hierarchies, because what's considered "correct" or the "standard" is often the dialect of those who were already rich and "educated" etc. (also seen in the case of AAVE)
Perhaps we should figure out how we can get rid of all kinds of social hierarchies, not just of languages but also of people! (because honestly this is where linguistic hierarchies come from). And that's going to need not just holistic education (sciences and humanities both) but also solidarity across gender, race, and national lines, as well as abolition of superficial divisions such as class and caste.
Still in India, Bohra Ismaili Muslims are more prosperous than average but other Muslims look down upon them
Well Gujjus on average are also more prosperous then example people from UP.....🙄
I have seen Sunni Muslims inum ai openly calling bohra Muslims as kafir
Shocked to hear about the seed policy incident! Pakistani armed forces are so corrupt. I know so many people from defense background in India and they are so humble and very middle class, live a middle class life while their children usually do well for themselves through hardwork and greater exposure due to the defense background. Thanks to our respectable Indian armed forces 🙏
😅 .. Indian defence people are humble as*.. some of the most arrogant and most corrupt people come from India's defence forces. Extreme hierarchical and full of superiority complex - it's just that you're not aware about it.
Coup is in blood. Shahjahan was jailed by his own son
you are right! That is why indians were rulled by Muslims for centuries and broke it into pieces to get chunks. its a win for their BLOOD @@induchopra3014
Indian Army is a professional army. They do army jobs. Galle pe baith ke dhandha nahi karte humre officers
Pakistan Obsession with INDIA is never Ending love story 😂
" love/hate story "
But u came and commented on the video. I think Indians are more obsessed with Pakistan. 😂🙏🇵🇰😊
@@fawwadshafi9555 it’s both sides. North India and Pakistan has shared past so no shame in doing it 🙏🏾😊
it is you watching a Pakistani podcast not us.
@@anuchugh31 Me as an Indian from the South from Hyderabad, enjoy the politics of Andhra Pradesh and day2day events & politics of Pakistan. And I must say that Pakistan entertains the most with its people and their actions, politicians and their unwanted speeches/claims/bakchodi, their backfiring policies domestically and internationally.
Well, i am born and brought up in Maharashtra, india, and i still know how to read, write and speak Gujarati as well as marathi. Hindi and English are like the default languages. Our country has always been diverse and i love how despite being different we all celebrate each others food, culture and languages.
but in Maharashtra, there are many people and political motif to hate Hindi speaker through violence...
No, Maharashtra is really safe. Recently I visited Tamil Nadu and I felt like they were mocking me whenever I tried to speak in Hindi . One lady even went to an extent to say that you should learn Tamil and then come here. I personally feel south India is becoming next Bangladesh.
@bhumiraghwani8018 yes same thing is in Chennai, Bangalore, similar to Maharashtra
@@bhumiraghwani8018 yes please learn the local language if you plan to stay there for long. If you accept the local language they will accept you 😊. I hope you don't have any wrong notion that there is any national language of India 😅
@@sudeepmnv646 yeah I understand but shaming people for not knowing your language is little extreme.
I would like to make one very interesting point here. When I first came to bombay ( mumbai) in early ninties, I had a friendship with a mumbai born shetty ( a tulu speaking community from karnataka). He was a business men and I saw him speaking fluent gujrati with few of his client's. On enquiring, he made one simple statement. If you want to do business in Mumbai, you have to know to speak gujarati.
Very true 😅😅
💯 💯 💯
Barabar chee.
Another interesting observation I ( a punekar) have about Mumbai is, the majority Maharashtrians very often speak Gujarati, indeed are rather proud of their Gujarati speaking skills.
The gujjus on the other hand, despite living in Mumbai for 100s of year's claim that they don't speak/ understand Marathi.
But when you give them a few " greetings " in Marathi, they miraculously understand the language.
Me Punekar.
And in Pune, every ( local) Gujarati and Marwari knows Marathi.
And we admire Veer Damodar Savarkar. Bal Gangadhar Tilak. And Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj.
@@adhirbose9910loads of gujju speak Marathi.... Maybe not so fluently as in pune... But almost all understand Marathi perfectly
Well, I lived in a small town of Maharashtra but I knew Gujarati and all Gujarati shopkeepers traders knew Marathi. For me Gujarati is a second language as Gujarat is the neighbouring state and since it (Vadodara) had Marathi rulers who freed the land from Islamist regimes... There is a hoard of the Marathi-speaking population there. I am proud that I can speak Marathi, Gujarati, Hondi, English. Can understand almost all dialects of India, can understand Punjabi, Haryanvi. I am a proud Indian.
Sorry to say but the biggest setback for Pakistanis is that they can't speak their mother tongue . I Indian Punjabi feel proud to speak Punjabi in USA Canada UK Australia......
Even our Punjabi songs are very popular in India.
Every 3rd class song becomes popular in India these days.
@@user-el2uq8rk5q The people who assume Arab brutal desert culture with burkas and bans (on everything which makes an average human happy) as superior to the local vibrant colorful cultures after forcefully being converted to Islam suffers from this strange identity crisis. You can neither own your own local culture since your lovely Islam doesn't permit you to do that nor you can adopt Arab culture bcoz the Arabs doesn't entertain you to use their identity or to align with them.
We Indians from the south love few Punjabi songs (and other language songs too) which sounds too good even though we don't understand the language and many of my friends from North are fans of some South songs and they ask me to recommend some good Telugu movies and songs.
Well, that is true upto an extent, especially that regional languages weren't given officially the role they deserved. But it is also true that in India, especially the younger urban middle class uses excessively English to communicate, at the COST of ALL!!! Indian languages. This can be seen in the lack of fluency and vocabulary, especiallyin the younger generations. That's simply not the case in Pakistan, ofcourse English also has its role, but no were to that extent. In that manner, Pakistanis are much more connected to their roots
@Anonymous_Introvert_26
Well, one of the biggest muslim minority populations/percentages are in Kerala 🙄...
Pakistani should learn Bengali to prosper.... Pakistan Banega West Bangladesh
India economy is 10x Pakistan’s in 2023. It will be atleast 15x in 2030.
That is why we don't consider Pakistan as a military threat anymore. 😂😂
Of course, Pakistan will continue to use terrorism as a weapon to create disturbance inside India. But now, India has a policy of "Ghar me ghus kr marenge" 😎😎😎
Keep dreaming P@jeet. Inshaallah we will be 10x bigger than you. Your decline is about to start in next 8 months.
nominal terms - India 3750, Pakistan 300 - i would say it's 12.5 times right now and could hit 15 by 2027
@@AKumar-co7oePakistan is at 340 billion or 376 billion by two top calculations
Same calculations measure India at 3.38Trillion or 3.75 Trillion.
In any situation it's 10x
@@AKumar-co7oe But thats current situation. After 20 years we will be equal in GDP and we will 5x in GDP per capita. Because your economic decline is about to start after June 2024.
I want to add one thing -the most of scientists in Chandrayaan come from other research universities like IISER(Indian Institutes of Science Education and Research) plus other provincial state research universities(ofc not at the level of the west but still ok ok), in fact, the chairman of ISRO said IITian doesn't want to join ISRO but more paying jobs.
Mostly south indians
5 time namaz padho kafiro ko maro n u will get jannat.paxstan is best islamic country in the world .
Sciientists in Isro are 50% from Tamil Nadu and rest 45% are from other South Indian states or educated in South India.
@@vizmouli share source as well
@@bharatkapoor4062but this will change.
09:36 I have a Gujarati friend whose forefathers had emigrated to Uganda. Idi Amin threw them out and they landed in UK. Next generation landed up in Canada and my friend's generation are now in USA. So we are looking at several emigrations after leaving India, maybe a couple of hundred years and several generations. But their kids still speak Gujarati and follow their customs like Dandia. They even get a Gujarati newspaper and have a Gujarati association. My observation is that Gujarati culture is stronger than even Bengalis (whose kids cant speak Bengali anymore) or Tamilians etc.
Punjabi? A Punjabi once started to learn English from a Britisher. But after 3 months that Britisher started to speak Punjabi instead.
@@romeshsharma4305Indian punjabis, not Pakistani punjabis. There is not a single Punjabi newspaper in Pakistan despite 60% of its population being Punjabi.
@@romeshsharma4305 Good one ! 🤣🤣
@@DrVJ-yw3xu Thanks Paaji.
@@gauravipal9518Punjabi pakistani is the only community in the world who fought and struggled to get rid of their own language
The assertion that the Americans asked Nehru what India wants is incorrect. Sir Ardeshir Dalal an Indian civil servant who happened to be a Parsi, proposed setting up a research labs. To manage that we needed teams who would be trained at institutions later named IIT. He persuaded the US government to provide post doctoral scholarships so as to gain expertise. Americans were not angels who came and asked India what they wanted.
India also got ford foundation to set up IIT-Kanpur and BITS Pilani - there was support from american private sector as well
IITs in India were set up in collaboration with foreign govts.e.g.
USA.USSR, Germany, UKetc
You get the idea. Zada hero na bano :p
@@usamifyl to set up is one thing to develop is another. Pakistan had fertile punjab tracts ; cant even construct dams and channels.
US didnot help us to reach where we are today by 2027 India will be 3rd largest eco.
Will you keep on cribbing conspiracy or improve
@@anitapadhi325 hey anita . Bro we get the point our politicians haven done us harm. People in india and pakistan are intelectually same morally more or less same. What you can do we can do too. We just havent got the right leadership. I strong leader over 10 years and we ll be along you guys. And this is no hate to india . We respect and love india
I play badminton as fun (i am 46). It was a fun game for everyone when i was growing up. Now i see kids playing 9 hours a day including fitness. Soon you will see india will dominate in badminton circuit also. Keeping my fingers crossed 🤞
So far they are dominating in scamming . Where they teach them that.
@@what6336stupid people will always get scammed by smart ones.
@@what6336 well the bpo jobs have essentially diminished and also so has BPO shutdown.. so the voice callers who have been trained in customer service have been rendered jobless.. and that's the only skill they had so a very few part of the system have tried to open up a parallel scammer system.. now remember India doesn't have a very strong IT scam laws. So their scam hustle is booming
@@what6336Envy is all what I can see🙃
Yes sainas quarter-final was historic...
9:40 while discussing regional culture and language, I want to mention that I am Marathi. I can understand and speak Hindi, though not perfectly, and appreciate that every regional community in India is deeply rooted in its culture and language
just because you want to open the border and decide to do business with India doesn’t mean India will agree to the business. we moved long ways from Pak and don’t want to deal with drama
" Rejection of scientific method " comes naturally with " ISLAM dominance
Watch ex muslims
India got 107 Medals in Asian Games 🥰
Pakistan got 3 Medals in Asian Games 😐
Next Time we Indians will Aim for 150 Medals 🤗
Pakistan will Aim for 5 Medals 😂
Even war tonned Afghanistan got 5 medal while bankrupted srilanka medal 🏅🏅🏅🏅🏅 medal including 1 gold 😊😊
I think we should stop comparing Bharath with Pakistan, Sri Lanka and other neighbouring countries. Now it's time to compare with China, Japan and Korea etc.
we should compare with china ... stop comparing with pakistani... they are nothing
Hinduism and sciences never collided, all rushis / monks/ sages were scientists in their own right.
World Cup ain't that much of a sore point for us Indians. Our team played the best cricket and barring one game, we were the best side. Besides, And more importantly, Our Economy which grew 7.2% in Q1FY24 and 7.6% in Q2FY2024 is likely to have a massive bump up in Q3FY24, thanks to the World Cup which just finished in India. And By the time full FY24 numbers come up, We will be into Modi 3.0. Stop comparing pakistan with India. Just like your currency, you guys will also get depressed.
WC added 2.6 billion $ to Indian Economy > Pak forex; but lets not feel good by comparing ourselves with a failed nation. We must grow and grow at 8-9 % for 20-25 y to match China by 2050s.
Modiji is coming back with a 300+ seat share at bare min
What's the point to be 3rd largest economy by 2027 if we cant be 1st . Indians of 2050s
deserve it.
@@anitapadhi325 I agree. 8% should become a minimum benchmark, irrespective of whichever government people vote in power.
@@YourFuhrer1933 China is a bloody brutal communist dictatorship slave trade society. Democracies have its prices to pay. A chinese and pakistani sympathiser who don't have democracy or don't believe in one won't understand that.
Adarsh farm laws repealed, in China every demonstrator would have been shot or jailed. 100,000 people a drop in the bucket of 1,000,000,000. India back with same farm laws for decades.
Man, we indians learned our language or culture through our families, not in schools. We also studied for more economic opportunities only.
The vast majority of Pakistanis also speak their own mother tongue unlike indian middle class especially Northern belt where people now communicate mostly in English.
@@chusamamumtaz4608 I also communicate in English with my friends..... But that doesn't mean I don't know my mother tongue. It's just that I live in pune ( which is a kinda big city and lots of other states people live here that's why we use English for communication)We all North Indians, west Indians ( Gujarat, Maharashtra and Goa).... Knows 3 languages ( Hindi, English and our mother tongue) . We don't learn it From our schools .... We talk to our parents in our mother tongue.
And it's very imp as every state of India has their own culture,language....we can't lose our culture because of Hindi or English.
The title should be: Why the world is thriving but Pakistan is not
Indeed bro 😂
I am a Muslim BTW.
@@comparativereligiondailynews what it has to do with you being Muslim 😅
Bc of jihadi culture and mindset
*You will thrive and grow as a nation not as Muslim*
Doesn't matter . Endia became super duper power of the world. Who you fooling look at the streets with homeless People. selling bikini dance scamming people , stealing pakistani songs at the end of night dancer has the most cash. Any ways thus Mota gandoo child of ashoka is.left in Pakistan can you please take him
I usually don't comment i am from south India and after listening to malnutritment in Pakistan i feel bad for innocent kids, i distinctly remember mid day meal program in india which is the largest in the world , was implemented to tackle this issue,the food menu is balanced and kids are regularly checked and supplements are given if needed. Government provided all the basic necessity upto certain age here..
If the roles were reversed do you think you would receive such compassion from muslims? Not even if you converted to Islam.
I am not knocking your compassion. But I implore you to be considerate of the implications of giving space to brainwashed and hostile people who would have no problems destroying you the moment they obtain that capability.
India ranks lower than Pakistan in hunger index. Mainly because of low bmi index of Indians.
@@rog5asus416it’s not a religion thing. It’s just National policy comparison. Coz The govt. doesn’t distinguish between Muslims and Hindus and Christians in Mid day meals.
@@mrgyani I don't know about north but malnutrition level is seen serious in South. Even mid day meal scheme are started in South. Malnutrition is less in South.
@@mrgyani Have you gone through the methodology how Hunger index, happiness index, press freedom index are compiled. , All these indices are hogwash. These indices are prepared by dubious freelance organisations, not by UNO or any standard international organisations. These organisations have axes to grind. Showing India below African countries, Pakistan etc is one of the aims of these indices.
14:41 It's so interesting that whoever is even remotely close to their Hindu Roots (Bohras are a prime example) believe in Pluralism have no problems in assimilating with different cultures but as soon as they Islamize that sense of the "other/Kafir" becomes so strong.
This explains why their society is a sh*t show
TPE podcasts are always engaging to watch. Thanks for making these podcasts and keep inviting more such guests Shehzad bhai! 🙌🏼
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Now I realized that jugar is merely mediocrity and nothing more. While we, as Pakistanis, used to find it fascinating and considered it a sign of intelligence, in the long term, it has proven to be nothing but a disaster. (e.g: economy)
Btw, thank you Uzair and Shahzad for your thoughtful conversation 👍
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It is mediocrity when used unjudicialy and it's resourcefulness when used at correct place. Everything has context so jugaad in itself is not bad. If you are not doing it to cut corners then it can be good in terms of resourcefulness
Jugaad is shortcut bypassing safety and other considerations. It works only under favourable conditions and leads to failure and even accidents under unfavourable conditions.
"sports is a very easy mechanism to understand the society and culture at large (generalised)"
Yeh Aisa fleeting statement tha but ispe thousands of pages ke research papers likhe Jaa sakte hai
I repeat, anyone who wants to learn how to analyse the economic situation of any country, LISTEN TO UZAIR SIR
No need for click bait title bro, we will watch uzair bhai video anyway.
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Always enjoyable to listen to Uzair. Another great podcast on the deep issues afflicting society.
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@@ThePakistanExperiencewould love a podcast with Junaid Akram
Bhai aap log IIT ka impact bohot over rate karte. Isro has no iit engineers, largest IT companies are not run by iitian. Most of the IIT are useless for India they just went abroad.
Only its changing now.
Most software exports are not by iit engineers. It's by small town lads who did that with few months of training.
Exactly. And Anyway Most IITians are contributing in Silicon Valley, America, not in India
And it was Indian Government that set up IITs, NITs, IIMs etc.
Pakistanis are in this situation because they don't trust themselves to do anything productive and attribute everything to a Gora.
Reservation wale iitian waste hai tbh
True. But we have similar level fundamental research institutes which are top notch.
These include TIFR, BARC, ARIES, Raman Research Institute, IISc, IUCAA, IISERs. etc
I have neighbour who moved from Multan to India at the time of partition but they still speak multani Punjabi which is bit different from normal Punjabi. It is upto the people how to remain connected to your roots irrespective of the place you are living in
Always thought provoking when uzair comes on the podcast , loved the podcast , great conversation shehzad bhai 👏👌
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2:04:38 biryani is definitely bae ❤️
Tried the Hyderabadi, Donne, Malabari, Andhra, Dindigul, Awadhi, Kolkata styles. Would want to add the Karachi style biryani to that list, but seems unlikely in this lifetime.
Uzair is a gem, and so are you Shehzad. Your channel is growing and deservedly so, much love brother 🫶🏾
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add cochin biriyani to your list come to cochin ask for a malabar biriyani u get a biryani with cochin twist ...
Mai Indian hun. Mujhe Politics mein koi intrest nhi .Pakistan ki politics se koi lena-dena nhi hai, magar aap ka Pod-cast itna interesting laga ke pura Pod-cast suna. Mujhe lagta hai Pakistani Politics mein aap dono jaise intellectual persons hone chahiye jo avaam ko bhi samjhe aur knowlage bhi rakhte hon,tabhi Pakistan ka kuch bhala ho sakta hai Good luck for elections. I hope Selfless , Intelligent aur layek Prime Minister aaye jo logo ko education ke saath achi Fercilities de.
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I am telling you as a , modi supporter not BJP supporter , if you ever tarvel Gujrat, you will see what india has become and after 2014 modi changed india , digital revolution, economic revolution , road and infrastructure revolution, everything changed under him . If you come here there is not a single place in India where roads and highways and metros are not building ... There is huge infrastructure development going on india . Search about Nitin gadkari , he is as popular and as respected as modi . He is bob the builder of india .
Bohra/vohra muslims have very similiar culture as hindu gujjus be it in gujarat or anywhere else. I had a bohra muslim friend who was born and brought up in Mumbai spoke fluent gujarati and had the same financial mindset a typical gujju would have.
Bohris still speak Gujarati, they did not leave their culture, even after migration to Pak.
Parson hi train me bohri muslim family k sath baitha tha, i was in awe of his demeanour as a whole. Rich guy, speaking about his business and working life prior to that and very very sweet. Bhai they have an ITS CARD system which is like Aadhar card which was started 15yrs before aadhar. And he said they blindly follow their some spiritual leader. Great guy
South have economic growth but West India and North States like Haryana & UP has much more growth than South India. But if you see Natural Resources from Jharkhand, Odisha & Chattisgarh are necessary for industries in South. Nehru's freight equality policy is responsible for Less Industries in North & Central despite of being rich in natural resources.
25:31 India had visionary leaders like Vikram Sarabhai (estb ISRO, IIM), Homi Bhabha (BARC), Nehru, APJ Abdul Kakam who strived to make India a self reliant and powerful country by putting a foundation to that journey by setting institutions like ISRO, DRDO, IITs, IIMs
Jihaad, Kashmir, Junju Quom and Ummah .. Dou Quomi Nazariya etc etc.
Loved the podcast. Crisp, informative and insightful. Uzair and syed muzammil make sure to give you a reality check and put economic perspectives in a way that an avg pakistani might have existential crisis
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I can listen Uzair for hours and hours without skipping at all.
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Hme jihad nhi Krna tha 😂
Tumhe Krna tha ek aasmani kitab ke peeche tumne jihadio ki line laga di or bolte ho ki
Itne intellectualy superior to nhi honge
Jinnah meri jaan 40 crore jihadio ko alag krke mje kra die yaar
Tum jha bhi ho khush rho
Love u jinnah ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
8:00 the same thing has also happened in India till some extent, my grandparents hailed from Haripur, Hazara prior to partition & even today here in india we still call ourselves " Hazarewals " but our culture has diluted by a lot , Younger generation or the third generation cant speak Hindko they mainly prefer hindi & English & also they arent aware of our traditional folk dance khumar
Aah thats sad
I had no idea that there are people from Hazara Region living in India.
Hello from a Hazarewal from Pakistan!
@aroobajaved1059 ...we have people from abottabad too....they have surname of abbot....
@@nit23sharma frankly speaking never heard this surname
@@aroobajaved1059 Hello from Mumbai 🇮🇳, Many Hazarewal, Peshori , Chhachi & Pothohari Hindus & Sikhs settled here in Mumbai after partition, We have still somewhat managed to maintain our pre partition identities.
Uzair podcast , the best voice of sanity within the country , what a treat to be listening to.
Afeem jaisa mazaa aane wala hai.🤩🤩
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@@ThePakistanExperienceviews aa rhe hain India se...😂😂
Even Pakistani youtubrs are playing 5G war with Indian audience
Please invite Hashir Ibne Irshad The Pakistan Experience. He and Uzair Younus have the same sane and pragmatic approach.
@paulhall1612 people leave country physically but not in heart .
@@user-yy1ge4ys5ztujhe usse kya problem hai ??
In India Sindhis (or any other community) go to English medium schools but learn mothertongue at thier homes. So almost all kids are good with conversing in their mothertongue even for Sindhis after leaving Sindh 75 years ago..
Very gripping podcast.One suggestion to team The Pakistan Experience that please bring any Hindu, Sikh academically sound person to podcast so that we can have broad understanding of Pakistani society.
Love and Respect from India.
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Kabhi ni layenge kabhi 1 bhi famous nam suna hai vahan?
Anyone left there to get onboard?
@@Advanceskills-wf2ukyes Hain bohat se Hain....I saw education minister of Sindh in my country and there's a podcast of Junaid Akram on independence day...the person he hosted was a very good businessman
I am being an Indian Bengali, can speak four more languages e.g. Hindi , English, Punjabi and Telugu. That's the beauty of India, where every language and culture is equally respected.
I look at Pakistan as a dystopian mirror of what another universe India at worst could look like.
Went to Konark temple today, imagine not having that as your cultural identity despite being Indian culturally 😢
Darkest timeline India😂
*First of all America did not set up IIT's in India.. It was done entirely by Indian Government*
*Also, Indian ISRO used to carry small rocket parts on bicyles. So, Whatever we did, is with our own hard work, we don't lick Gora Boot to Enhance our Economy like you. In Fact, On the Contrary, it is because of Indian Engineers and Scientists that America has been able to Add Several Trillions of Dollars to their Economy through Tech*
All IITs other than IIT Madras had some form of foreign collaboration. Doesn't take anything away from their achievements but facts are facts.
Regarding Gujarati in NRI, my kids speak Gujarati but understand hindi but cant speak… but we made sure kids learn English/Gujarati. All of my Gujarati friends we make an effort to keep our language & culture here. When we get together kids eat Gujarati food if we do & also we celebrate all festivals & speak Gujarati with each-other & all kids..
Bhai I am also a sindhi like you and where i live most of the people are pakistani sindhis hindus who have migrated and you are smart enough to know why. i am also a sindhi hindu whose grandfather migrated from khanpur sindh in 1970s. i can understand sindhi well and can also speak it but not fluently. sindhi culture and language is more thriving in India than pakistan
The nonchalance in their tone while talking of a common resource market across the Indian subcontinent tells me that they dont realise how serious a threat India sees pakistani extremism as.
In India every states have their own mother language. In which the students read and write.
I wonder how I couldnt come across this channel all these years.. it feels so great to stumble upon this channel and I have been glued to the videos available on this channel. Such meaningful conversation !
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It’s mostly because India focused more on using the money to improve the military, infrastructure, welfare and education instead of Pakistan which their money on the military and terrorist groups, this lack of spending on education meant most people wouldn’t end up getting good jobs and wouldn’t make much money not helping the economy, India on the other hand, focused on the country and the people, that’s why Indians are making tons of money and India is the world’s fastest growing major economy whilst nearly 2/3 of Pakistan lives in poverty and the country is on the verge of dissolving. India spends 9% of it’s GDP on education, Pakistan spends 3% on education, India spends 360 billion on education whilst Pakistan spends less than a million, 855,000 USD to be exact, Pakistan doesn’t even spend 1% of India’s expenditure on education, India spends 13% of it’s GDP on infrastructure, 520 billion USD in terms of money, and in 2023, many major infra projects in major cities and developing cities are going to be completed this year such as the Delhi-Mumbai expressway which will pass through 7 states and be 1,350 km and has costed 125 million USD to build, India has spent more on infra than Pakistan’s GDP, talking about Pakistan, they spend 2.2% of their GDP on infra or 6.3 billion USD, that’s 1.2% of what India spends on infra. To answer you question simply, the reason India is way better than Pakistan is because we spent on things which would help developed, Pakistan spent it on what they thought would get them developed.
Jai hind
IT CELL WALI
Not gonna lie but all the numbers you wrote are false.. now i know u will argue, but i think i shud not waste time here for an idiot..
@@bharatkapoor4062your mom?😢
@@mohit1161 typical bhakt
True there are issues no doubt. But upto 2006 the per capita GDP of Pakistan was higher then India... and also now in Indian provinces like UP and Bihar (which have huuuge populations) it is lower. Again not saying that there are no challenges in PK, but so HAS and HAD India
The discussion about the economic state of Pakistan is astonishing.
If you don't know, Indian educational system is there languages system, One is English, Two secondary Hindi and it's regional language
There is also foreign language like French or German in some schools
Congratulations for creating a classy podcast
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Uzair is definitely one of my all-time favorite guests on TPE. Aisi mulakatein hoti rehni chahiye Shehzad bhai!
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Uzair ko bolayn Karachi ata rahay
The biggest problem on the comments for this video is very few Muslims are registering their comments about this conversation. I am surprised that many Hindus are commenting on this podcast and rather it's the opposite should be true. The problem with the Hindus including myself we are more interested in knowing pakistani's problems than ours, this is bad stuff from Hindus man. It's a bit sickening that Pak and India hate each other on a political level perpetuated by political fundamentalist from both sides, socially fabricated ideologies it's simply getting into the subconscious mind. It takes so much energy to have negative ideologies. I wish one day we can set aside religion but have cultural identity and enjoy life
One solution for Pakistan, Fundamental change in Pakistan can happen only with economic and also "cultural" ties with India! Period.
Wrong, change can only happen once the military loses complete power.
Rehne de bhai ,1000 saal k baad hinduo ko chen rehne ko jagah mili hai
Spot on
1 Disagreement With Uzair on the Iranian Oil Smuggling Tax Issue
Pakistan is not Allowed to Import Sanctioned Iranian Oil Legally ( But USA Looks Away )
Pakistan Army Gets Huge Discounts on this Oil , And the Faujis Use This Oil.
If your Army weren't Smuggling this Oil then Petrol Price Would be Much Higher in Pakistan.
Huge respect to Uzair to acknowledge the role of his community in African slave trade
Rare quality in desis
Wish we had similar traits in muhajir Sindhi pushtun and Baluchi community as well
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Punjabis are very self critical too
I’m from muhajir awadh community and we just like to glorify our ancestors
Hindus are not madrassachap.... that is the biggest difference 😅
But many hindu are bajrangchhap now a days.
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If a language has rich literature(poems, novels, movies, drama, books, etc) the language will flourish.
In India, there is rich literature in all rigional languages and we youths love to read, understand it. Thats how our rigional languages survive and grow.
However in Pakistan, I doubt if the literature is present bcoz all the attension is on false religious agenda. Thats why the languages and culture is degrading I guess.
PAk is a country that worked so hard to get rid of its culture and is now regretting only cause india has progressed and has retained its regional practices.
I am Gujarati Muslim my great grandfather migrated to the west . My I still speak the language may Allah gave me strength to forward to upcoming generations
Aapke Palestine video pe Gussa aa rha tha...fir Uzair bhai ne bula lia waps❤❤. Love from India
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Islam is the problem as its not updated and muslim simply look everything through Religion. Science and religion shud go together. See do you see any Muslim country which has grown based on knowledge and research. All developed countries are based on science and research and innovation. Indian religions always support Science and freedom for knowledge for all. thats he reason India developing faster. And finally Our PM Modi and his team which has clear intention for Growth along with Culture which binds people.
Yogi's Uttar Pradesh ( Northern State ) is now the 3rd Fastest Growing State of India with over 8 % Growth
And it has 250 Million Population too.
Right
Google it up
Economy of UP
GDP per capita
₹105,000 (US$1,315) (2023-24 est.)[3]
No doubt Pakistan has seen a strong devaluation of its currency the per capita GDP is about $1500 (varies, currency fluctuations) , some years before it was nearly 2000 dollar.
But point is given all the bad economic news for Pakistan in last years its still significantly better then UP
Pakistan Banega Paschim Uttar Pradesh
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Well actually the per capita GDP of Bangladesh is higher than India shouldn't India try to become Bangladesh
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s no Bangladesh wants to take revenge from Pakistan for imposing Urdu .... now Pakistani had enough of Naan.. 🫓 learn to eat rice and fish ... national dress of poor Pakistani to be LUNGI and Bengali be their national language.... joy Bangla....
Brilliant podcast, admire the depth of discussion
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Bhai i disagree with you on different issues but loved this podcast....keep doing good work.❤
You are a RSS BHAKT it seems
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Dear Uzair, Shehzad,
I was just searching for your new podcast just yesterday and here it is. Love listening to Uzair.
Btw not too late for you both to learn your own languages.
Cheers🎉
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Hindutva has risen because Indian Muslim community has failed to reform itself. All Muslim reformers are either beheaded or forced to live in exile (Taslima, Rushdie etc.)
Why did MODI have to abolish Tripple Talaq ? Why SRK, Javed Akhtar or Aamir Khan do not reform their own society? It was not the job of a Hindutva leader, but it has fallen on BJP and Hindus to help and reform Indian Islam because the community failed to do it on their own & we recognize the potential existential threat to India in the long run since their population and madrassas are just booming.
The same is happening in France , Netherlands , Poland, Italy , Sweden etc and BJP/Hindutva is no where in power there
And those who think Hindutva is same as being an Islamist it’s not , core Hindu philosophy is based on secularism and respect for diverse views, scientific probe , debating deeds of our own Gods . Hindu scriptures are full of students & wives questioning Gods/Rishsis themselves in a spiritual dialogue on human nature/existence.
Hindutva is the soul of India, Hindu philosophy, scriptures, scientific probity and spirituality is recognized all over the world and it has nothing in common with Abrahamic religions of intolerance towards other religions.
Yes today in India , it’s in a debate & ideological war with Islamists , but as I explained it’s necessary to help reform our own society which includes Muslim bretheren cause we don’t live in a vacuum & there issues will impact all of us eventually.
India have 3 language policy in schools . English ,hindi and the local language .. although in north its misused by north indian bu using Sanskrit as 3rd language .. this policy helps strengthen local languages . Thats one of beauty of Indian democracy
sanskrit se misused kaose hua
@@bodo451ek he reason soch sakta kyu ki sanskrit ka use hota he nahi kahe itna
Sanskrit is misused? Is new to me, Aisa kya hota h?
Jab wha ki local language nhi h to Sanskrit hi option h misuse kha hua wha per.
Ab wha dusre state ki language kyo lagayenge. Rajasthan,Haryana,Delhi,UP, MP ,Bihar ki konsi language h mere bhai.
Sirf boli h bhasha nhi. Ab boli or bhasha ka farak nhi pta to hum kya kre.
Thank you to our first PM Jawahar Lal Nehru who had the foresight to build the IITs, thank you to Vikram Sarabhai who set up ISRO and the best management school in India IIM Ahmedabad
They deserve credit for sure. But Nehru, Indira, Rajiv under invested in primary education. Hence literacy rate was barely 52% in 1991 after 40 years of Nehru/Gandhi. South Korea without an IIT equivalent performed much better because it focused on primary education and ensuring no one was illiterate. Secondly, the economic policies of Nehru/Gandhi were such that they pushed us to IMF 7 times. They also kept India in a low growth rate. What was derisively called the Hindu rate of growth was in realiry the Nehru/Gandhi. So while they certainly deserve some credit, they have a lot to answer for.
They set up an institution and forgot about maintaining, progressing and uplifting it.
Give credit to horrendous economic policies of theirs also.
Just to silence his critics few few steel mills & lITs all happened in a lazy and lethargic way . He was busy enjoying . Rajiv Gandhi had a real concern for india
@@gauravipal9518Try harder scum, try harder 😅
Pragmatic and candid discussion based on judicious understanding of the subject.
Salam,
Good talk. Hard to swallow but necessary.
I have some reservations with his choice of words and conclusions regarding the inheritance laws in islam.
The economic stuff was very informative. Hopefully the people in charge will follow through.
Good job Shehzad 👍🏽
JazakAllah kher
Great duo ! ...again they will create best symphony
As an Indian nonmuslim who faced centuries of persecution by muslims invaders foreign occupying forces illegally occupying our holy lands WE STAND WITH ISRAEL!
@@Raja-dm7jkKisi ne pucha tujhse? Aur tu centuries se zinda hai kya? There was a time when Hindus were persecuting other Hindus, it was all a power play in those days.
Stop fighting battles of ancestors, live in the modern world.
One of the richest industrialist and more importantly philanthropist in India is azim premji who is gujurati bohri Or khoja( I am not sure)
Once again, must compliment you both for this amazing discussion. I hope it becomes a catalyst for some positive action, that will extricate Pakistan and place it back on track. That's my wish.
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India was lucky to have Nehru as the first PM who believed in the scientific method and brought it into governance. People who do not understand how difficult this was to do can take Pak as an example which is struggling to implement scientific methods with a 58% literacy rate and India started doing this with a 12% literacy rate in 1947.
Bro biggest thing that stops Pakistan from growth is your own culture. For ex recently, A professor in University was explaining an phenomenon but people apposed it and suspended that professor. And I said what is this😂😂😂
Bhai usko maafi mangni pdi... He had to say that he won't teach science 😂😂😂😂
I think u talking about gender equality in bannu?
It's always a pleasure to listen to Uzair. Thanks for including some questions on the Indian economy, it's always healthy to listen to an alternate view.
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Uzair is a knowledgeable guy, he knows eco very well. Thanks Shehzad bhai 🎉
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I love Uzair news views and his data oriented strategic depth
Indians even if they shift abroad don't forget india their soul always in india.
Uzair younus is the Akshay Kumar of Pakistani podcast 😂.. he is everywhere
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Every conversation has religion in it, I’m surprised in this day and age, its so ingrained.
I listen to uzair and i realize that it’s so important to be in integrity for the world to work.
I think one of the most pressing issue of the subcontinent that is just around the corner is climate change and how it is going to impact agricultural produce. In India we are trying to do a lot of things like changing few agri practices, use of novel fertilizers (FICCI developed it), switching to millets (very drought resistant) and many others that I might not know. If you can bring in some agricultural expert from India he will talk to you.
The reason for pakistans economic collapse is India's demonetization
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Sounds wired but that's truth
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Well, tell me how much was the difference between the notes issued and what what was deposited in the banks after demonitization was done... It's funny that people bring that up🤣 even after the whole debacle. The thing is black money, not only in India but also worldwide is hidden rarely or only in small quantities in the form of cash, but in the form of real estate and other assets. This fairytale of cash stashed under the mattress makes a good film, but that's about it...
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s you nailed it... Nobody will keep the hard cash instead 90% would have been invested and there were crores of hard cash being burnt... Is it not true counterfeit currencies were smuggled into India thru Nepal and Bangladesh and also used in terror funding.
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Well you are actually negating your first comment...