Or celebrities telling YOU that YOU are the oppressor, or oppressed. Gotta love how celebrities think their opinions are worth their weight in gold. Same shit during the “summer of love”, same shit during the Coof.
Billie Eillish: "Nobody ever says a thing about mens bodies" Also Billie Eilish: ‘’Listen, I'm not shaming people for their looks, but I am though. You give an ugly guy a chance, he thinks he rules the world. I swear to God, because they got a hot girl, they can be horrible? Like, you’re still ugly though. Can’t change that. Maybe that’s why."
@@cantbendknee That's a word for word quote. She said it on video during an interview (just Google it, you'll find the clip of her saying it). She prefaces her statement by literally saying that she is talking about appearance, as in physical attractiveness. Specifically men who are not attractive, the ugly ones. Being a horrible person has nothing to do with biological sex or outward appearance. It's how you treat others.
It's a part of the writing that actually is very, very true and very dangerous. Ironically, it seems like that's all people deal in the last 10 years or so.
@pbalazs Yes, I don't understand why Zach isn't addressing the men in the comments of his videos shaming him, instead he shoehorns Billie Eilish into the discussion and it becomes a woman bashing exercise.
shaming what? His height? Hahaha give me a break. Also most guys understand that 99% of these comments are banter or from someone who isnt mentally well@@cantbendknee
@@likemysnopp Yeah right, he didn't seem too happy about it hence this video. I've seen what men put in the comments, how they act out their insecurities against each other.
I’ve had a grown woman tell me that I looked like a “holocaust survivor” when I first started lifting, then when I did start putting on some muscle literally every woman in my life including my mother ask why don’t I have shredded abs lol
jesus christ dude. Im proud that you manage to not punch them all right in the face. I would lose my shit fairly quickly if those around me acted like that
Lol yeah sure, nobody on the internet ever made fun of short bald guys, it never happened lmao If they didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all
@@cantbendknee lmao keep denying that women also comment on mens bodies and overall are also very negative towards ugly / socially undesirable men. It's people like you that enable dumbazzes like billie, because any criticism towards any woman makes losers like you scream "muh misogyny!". And what do online comments have to do with the fact that women generally treat socially undesirable men like trash? How about platforms with a larger female userbase like twitter or instagram? People like you really do believe that all women are beyond criticism and that even when men are the ones being disparaged, its still mens fault. Go pound sand
@@cantbendknee It's definitely men who do it the most online. Or probably boys, more accuately. In person though I'd bet it's heavily weighted in the fairer sex's direction. Bitchy men don't really exist in face to face encounters, in my experience anyway. Well, they exist, but they're forced to rely on passive aggression to avoid getting smacked up lol. Women don't have that problem as often, so they're more likely to speak their mind plainly.
@@Hjk448 Is this people who know you personally, as there is a difference and there is context. What we are discussing here is unsolicited online abuse, which Zach experiences in the comments of his videos. Instead of electing to confront men about this, as it is men doing this, Zach blamed a woman because you all find that more palatable than accepting that men compete with other men so rather than raise each other up they are abusive to strangers both male and female. Zach should have addressed the issue but is too cowardly to do so because you all make up most of his viewership.
My older brother is gay, so a lot of his female friends talk to him like he's a female friend. So when we are sitting around talking, I got to hear what women (not all obviously) speak like behind men's backs. Dick sizes, height, physique, teeth, hand size, hair, hygiene, feet etc etc.. these are a few things they bitch about behind dudes backs that they're seeing. And that is just the physical aspects that they target.
It’s fashionable to hate on men, specifically White men. The fact that there’re people in this comment section excusing her just goes to show how out of touch with reality they are.
@@kugelschreiber5678white men are doing just fine. Getting pushback from millennia of being in power has an effect of feeling like you’re being oppressed. Calm down, you’re not.
Saying that men don't face (or face less than women) judgement for their bodies when the body-positivity "movement" is predominantly female, the "blackpill" is 99% male, making fun of short men is trendy while saying that a fat girl is fat is considered a "hate crime" etc. Is one of the most delusional takes I've ever heard.
Women are extremely judgmental about men’s bodies and other women. I get shit and remarks about my body and have been since I was a little kid. Can’t really understand what Billie has been saying, she makes some very strong statements about men that are real rude. Goes both ways, many men comment on women and their appearances, but we should all be encouraging to each other and help each other
You're the one who is lying. If women do they are not the ones voicing it. Women have been criticised for body positivity movement. The majority of nasty comments that I've seen under female fitness influencers on instagram have been men rating their fuckability and their looks or on youtube if a woman is interviewed about her job a man will say whether he considers her to be attractive or not even though it has nothing to do with the video he needs to throw in his two cents. Men also comment on women aging, she's over the hill, camel toe, bet it's a cave, roast beef, hag, cat lady. It's really and predominantly men, and then there is the narrative about them wanting late teen, early 20's 'girls'. They are the main users of reddit and youtube and comments are often hateful and relentless. Men's ageing is not discussed like that and if it is it is never that bad.
@@cantbendkneeyour comment is basically a combination of what we are taught in statistics. The" SAC "which stands for Selection - Conformation - availability bias.
I dont think thats the entire picture. I agree to your point unaware women are very judgemental at times. Aware women/FLINTA are the least judgemental out of all the people, I would argue. People commenting men's bodies are not as aware about their comments. Awareness about commenting womens bodies has risen comparatively. However, for women an "attractive" body is much more powerful and an "unattractive" one punished pretty harshly too. Ugly men have it the worst, arguably.
@@SUPEREME_DRAVIDA That was just a part of my point that men are the predominant users so they have the loudest voice but they also do comment a lot of sexualised nonsense about women's bodies and me do not get that. In fact men comment on other men's bodies all the time 'shouldn't have skipped leg day bro' 'you should lift a burger to your face', etc., sound familiar? I think you know that it is mostly men making the negative comments about both genders.
@@cantbendknee You are probably the same type of woman who made fun of ugly, short, or autistic guys in school, but you dont even remember it because to most women, the majority of men who arent handsome rich studs might as well be invisible to the rest of society. I was bullied for being ugly and having autism growing up by many girls (in fact more girls than boys), and I've seen it happen to other "ugly" guys as well. And you denying that women can ever be held responsible for ridiculous societal standards is why many men and boys feel like their problems arent talked about enough, because people like you are akin to female supremacists, since in your view women cant ever also be held responsible for how society treats certain groups, only men can. But keep defending some stupid spoiled pop musician who makes garbage music lol. People like you are why some guys become bitter, since you dont believe mens issues need to be talked about because women are always these oppressed angels.
It’s interesting because I find most negative comments about my body actually come from women. I’m relatively muscular for a girl and while some men occasionally comment, they usually just say stuff like “you look strong” or “you look like you workout” which I take as a compliment. However I get pretty frequent comments from my mother saying stuff like “men don’t like girls with muscles” or “would you not consider looking for feminine”. It doesn’t really bother me because I just think it’s her coming from a different generation than me. But just saying I experience negative comments from women rather than men.
Makes me think of the time Jason Momoa was on vacation and he gained like 5-10lbs since his peak shred since he was enjoying himself on a long vacation like a regular human and every headline was "JASON MOMOA FAT!?" "FANS OUTRAGED" "JASON MOMOA LET HIMSELF GO" "IS JASON AN ALCOHOLIC?" "MOMOA IS FALLING APART!!" Male celebrities get it too
My favourite thing is when girls say they like a dad bod and by dad bod they mean 6ft+ off season bodybuilder/elite muscular strongman. As someone who struggles with body dysmorphia so much that I can't even take compliments or notice changes in the mirror because I keep comparing myself to these jacked roided up models getting shoved in my face with every advert. I also see so many people with better physiques than me getting trolled in their comments by randoms. Just because women talked louder about their body dysmorphia culture doesn't mean that it doesn't exist for guys.
@@Jcampz01Too be fair that was in comparison to cbum competition ready, they preferred off season cbum. Like there were also some girls who preferred pudgy guys over the athletic physique.
dude.. you are either very young and have not developed your brain enough yet (which you will when you reach age 25) or you have actual mental issues. Go seek help. And im not talking therapy, im talking go to a psychiatrist and find out your diagnosis and get actual help that works and not just talk about your useless "feelings" which changes every single second anyway.
I think Billie is awesome, but it is never a good idea to make a case for one group suffering, by claiming another group suffers less. Being alive and actually liking the experience is incredibly difficult for most people, no matter what/who they are, so starting from a place of sympathy is always the best call. There is enough suffering to go around.
@@DanielCollins419 The irony is that I'm not online enough to actually know what that means, but being offline sounds like it should be a compliment these days. So thanks, king!
I am a 1.94 m tall male and I guarantee that the vast majority of people I met in my life has been commenting on my body on a daily base. This was the case when I was a lanky teen, as well as when I became a 120kg class powerlifter. And yes I often just wanted people to shut up.
I'm blessed with height just like Zach, but the amount of women I know that would never date a man below 6' while being 5'2 themselves is astounding. Sure, women might not judge a man's weight (which you can change with a little bit of discipline), but height is something you can never ever change unless you do extremely risky and super expensive surgeries to lengthen your bones
"Women don't care what men look like. I don't care if you're tall. I'm 5ft btw and my boyfriend of 10 years is 6+ft and I think he's totally hot but that's different."
"Nobody ever says a thing about men's bodies" Just yesterday, two 10 year old girls walked into my store. They noticed that we had those Mr. Beast chocolate bars. They said "he's a horrible guy". I asked why, and mentioned that he just provided water to villages in Africa. They said it was because "he was ugly". And remember. They were 10. When they're teenagers, they're going to be even more shallow and brutal
It shows that she was homeschooled. I don't know how much people in here interacted with girls while in highschool but it's just asinine to say that women don't criticize men's and other women's bodies, that extends to adulthood obviously. There are men traveling to Russia and Turkey to undergo dangerous operations that will probably prevent them from practising sports ever again just to gain a couple of inches because they've been bullied their whole life for their height by both men and women. Most physiques in media are roided up which also impacts some men's self esteem. I could multiply the examples but the comment is probably getting too long. It annoys me that women's activists have drilled into their own head that somehow, activism is a zero sum game. Any men's issue that is brought up is rapidly shut down and the discussion centered around women. We should be helping each other, the sexes are supposed to complement each other not fight in some sort of gender war for who gets the most pity points. The issue is that most people then defend them since men are expected to solve their own issues. I agree that men should strive to become better people and solve their own issues but not being eternally demonized would be nice.
That’s the patriarchy man. Literally what feminists have been saying for decades. It’s killing us. Patriarchy kills more men than anything. Unrealistic standards are developed by those in power, adopted as gospel by BOTH genders, and participated in by both.
first off! amazing background choice! second! I feel the whole non-fitness friends think Im jacked and I feel like im not because im not in the top 1% at the gym thing lol
On youtube I would be small and certainly see negative comments, but I have had guys come up to me in real life on multiple occasions to ask me if I would be their trainer w/out them even knowing I had a personal training business. Men and women have made negative comments about my body both as a kid and an adult. So Thanks for making this video to address this point because I have dealt with body dysmorphia my whole life and ime many people are unaware of this side of the conversation.
This shit always infuriates me. There has always been this talk about Barbies being horrible for the female psyche and how social media and model standards give young girls ED. It has always been the exact same shit for boys but nobody gave a shit.
I'd say the problem is that there is a larger amount of women who are obese or in other ways generally unattractive but present themselves as beautiful, which then often gets praised by women and ridiculed by men. At the same time unattractive men generally dont present them selves in a different way then they are, so in turn they're not commented on in such a manner.
I was a bit cautious when pressing play, I was afraid to get some good old misogyny even though I enjoy your content. And I'm so glad that you were just your very very reasonable self as always and commenting on these body image and the problem that people have with other people's bodies issues. but you are so reasonable - it's a delight to watch your videos
It’s not just about negative commenting, but commenting in general. 9 out of ten times it would be better not to comment anything. Most people don’t need to know your opinion about them, however positive you might think the comment is. In the receiving end it might be anything but positive. Positive comments are an art form themselves, not all people possess that ability.
I love that the comments had to defend her by twisting her words to make it more palatable, instead of taking her words at face value. She said what she said. And its patently wrong. Theres a major epidemic of singleness and lonliness in men right now because women are judging so hard and difficult (among other things) and men are like F it, ill be single. Its been a massive shift, so much it cant be ignored.
I sometimes find myself thinking in stereotypes about what men do vs what women do, and almost everytime when i start to disect those ideas i find too many exceptions as to completely dispell that preconcieved stereotype or notion. "Men dont do this" "Women dont do that" "only women do that" and so on... "Girls are nice..." all statements that generalize about gender can be flat out discarded as false. Thats not saying men and women are biologically the same or anything, and there are differences. It's just impossible to make a true statement which generalizes about difference. Women seem to judge me more for obvious reasons than men do. And if they dont say it out loud, at least they show it. If you go through enough of a transformation, you notice they look at you differently once you have some muscle. Not that it really makes a difference though.
Not to sound like an incel but 1. What if you're short? ...yeah 2. What if you're bald? .......yeah 3. What if you don't look symmetrical in the face? ............yeah 4. What if you're above average in looks, are empathetic and charismatic but don't aggressively put yourself out there? Congrats, radio silence with no invitations. An existence most women (no offense) and _particularly_ someone like Billie Eilish, could never and will never relate to.
I do think there’s a certain validity to what she’s saying. I’m fully aware that there is a major and growing problem with body dysmorphia in men, particularly the bodybuilding community. The explosive expansion of PED usage by boys in their teens and twenties is proof of that. But while judging women’s bodies is the social norm, I think that judging men’s bodies is something that seems mostly relegated to fitness spaces. I could be completely wrong about that. As a Gen Xer my quest is for preservation of mobility and muscle endurance… You know what. I take it back. I just realized how pervasive and brutally toxic the Alpha bro hustle culture is. God damn it! The internet is so cool. Why does it also have to be so poisonous?
You just need to look at the numbers spent on marketing for men vs women... women judge each other more harshly and judge men. Men judge each other for the most part with the difference being women will gaslight each other to make each other feel better, men don't do this for the most part you on your own.
Somehow she always finds a way to really show her age and lack of nuance and understanding of the world around her. She’s conflating plutonic relationships with intimate ones as if she compares them equally to one another. That’s so naive and honestly disingenuous because deep down she knows that’s not true. And everyone is not cool with every body type. What she described are merely preferences, that not unlike women do men have. Some men like big girls, some do not. Sooo is she believes male body dysmorphia doesn’t exist because of this same reason then wouldn’t that imply that she doesn’t believe female body dysmorphia exist as well? Tell me that you’re biased without saying so.
I think, at least from what I’ve observed, is that the difference is men feel more comfortable commenting publicly on the bodies of others with no particular connection to themselves. Whereas women tend to shy away from public critiques but will feel more comfortable letting those close to them know how they feel about their body. It’s why a woman won’t say anything about a male celebrity not having abs but will feel perfectly fine asking their partner why he doesn’t have any. While the man feels okay writing that “X” female celebrity has too small of an ass but won’t want to make his partner feel inadequate by saying something similar. At least in my own life, other males close to me only ever say good things about my body. Whereas my wife either wants me to be leaner, or my grandmothers want me to “put some meat on the bone” (which is ironic since I am like 15% bf and quite muscled, they’re just fat).
there was great respond to those comments regarding " man judge more often" - someone wrote - they may be more VOCAL but women are as much judgmental as men - and i stand by it 100%
i'm a big fan of billie and i'm also much older than she is. billie doesn't have the most expansive vocabulary, unfortunately. i think she just forgot for a minute that reporters and especially editors are not her friends. it was a very impulsive, thoughtless thing to have said to someone who's gonna publish it. i also think she has a degree of ptsd at this point, which sucks. save talk like that for your friends and your therapist, billie. girls (women) can be absolutely vicious about other's physical appearance. just as bad as men. men, however also seem to do this thing, especially online, where their first impulse is to outright dismiss or undermine a successful woman in some way, typically attributing their success to someone or something else, merely being attractive, or even just dumb luck. like they're incapable of acknowledging that it could just be that they're talented. i don't think that aspect of criticism comes from women towards men nearly as much.
@@Hjk448 i see. you've never said something stupid. congrats. i just don't get why this pisses so many dudes off. chalk it up to people getting their daily outrage fix. there's always more where that came from.
All the problems stem from sex sells. Objectification makes money So for decades the media marketing advertising and now social media use this premis to sell products records movies. And the collateral damage are young men and women
I think the key to agreeing or disagreeing to her statement is considering it in a micro or macro scale. When we look at male body shaming compared to women body shaming... the second is so widespread and culturally rooted that make male body shaming look like the exception to a cruel norm
no, that is your own view because it is from your perspective. Just like from a mans perspective its the opposite. I dont get how that is hard to understand.
She's right. Nobody cares about how we men look. It's the internet's fitness bubble that cares about it. And it's all they care about. Thankfully REAL life is different.
This is utter insanity from Eilish. Women don't care about what men look like? HEIGHT IS THE NUMBER ONE REJECTION CRITERIA THAT WOMEN HAVE FOR MEN. I respect the hell out of her as an artist, but this is so out of touch, it's hardly worth even entertaining.
Women might not make negative comments very often about men's bodies. However, they treat men differently based on their bodies / how attractive they are.
We haven't moved past it because almost no household male celebrities have actually talked about this. Finally the fitness industry is just starting to talk about it, but even that is still not the norm.
I get the reaction content does well and I hope you’re getting the engagement you’re after. But I could care less what a millionaire celebrity says about anything - least of all their perception of the lives of everyday people. I don’t think you care either, Zack. But wish you well with the video regardless.
"What is your total?" is the great equalizer. You may have a more ideal aesthetic than someone objectively but if you can't put up the numbers... you may want to shut up, sit down, and take some notes.
Except that just like aesthetics, strength is largely genetic man. Maybe just accept people for who they are instead of judging them in the first place
@@SSMJabsolutely. I have dyspraxia and have a heart condition. My dyspraxia and heart meds make training and improving so much harder. But i am still dedicated and work out 4x a week. I am 155lbs and deadlift 355, squat 260, bench 165.5. I am super skinny and not impressively strong. I dont give a fuck. I am proud of what I do but it still hurts when some stupid roided meathead says some stupid backhanded comment about my strength. Even if I didnt have dyspraxia it is so innapropriate to put someone down for their physical strength.
@@SSMJ that's why you ask for their weightlifting total (snatch, clean and jerk) which is determined mostly by skill, not their powerlifting total which is mostly determined by genetics and gear.
Another thing that bothers me and I know she’s not truly trying to deny this - this was an interview about herself. I can let that go. But it’s also the fact of how many people parrot what she said- The idea that because you as a woman are not seeing what other women say to men about their bodies means it’s not really a thing. Not only is that false, but even if we pretend it’s true, what we do see is men being rejected constantly for very obvious bodily reasons even if they’re not explicitly stated bt the women / other men who reject them. Not just romantically or sexually but in general, even when it comes to friendship or rejection from some sort of social group. And I’m not saying oh we have it so hard because everyone doesn’t love, this isn’t supposed to be some incel shit. Nobody owes us anytbing. But to act like it doesn’t exist just because it’s not explicitly stated, that’s what’s disappointing to hear.
yeah, but i understand her, she was really bodyshamed for her look and look at the case of Katelyn Ohashi who was bodyshamed for her body or all the track and field videos here on youtube, there are most of the time are girls filmed.
Lol, when I got into lifting I would obsess over the size of my arms, back, shoulders etc... I worked my ass off to make them bigger. No special routines. Just pure obsessive compulsive lifting and flexing in the mirror. Pure dysmorphia. Funny enough, what fixed it wasn't accepting my body. I just got big enough I wasn't bothered by it anymore lol. Is it even dysmorphia? Or you just want to be big and strong and capable like your idols, but you are 14 and weigh 120 pounds. Of course you wouldn't feel good about your body. You are holding yourself to a standard. Most people dont.
I’ve always been neutral on Billie Eillish because I never listened to her music. Feels like her fans can be annoying but what artist’s fanbase isn’t? Plus since she’s pretty and I’ve seen people make sexual comments about her on the internet which is shitty, I’ve always had a bit of reasonable sympathy for her. Just assumed her music was probably good and that she was also probably cool. I’m not gonna be over dramatic from one statement she made, but man was it a really shitty and disappointing one to hear especially as a generalization. And especially as someone who’s had all kinds of comments about her own body
I would argue that women comment on women’s body more than men comment on anyone’s body. Men tend to comment on attractive post with the delusional hope of getting a response. Women comment on others women body to attack because it makes them feel better. But that’s just my experience, I haven’t travelled the world yet lol
Billie should make an online dating profile as a man who's 5 foot 4 inches.... Like how oblivious can one be to the experience of roughly 50% of humanity?
I think it's fine to disregard comments like these as I'll informed and childish, specifically because eilish is a child star in the internet. She hasn't worked a regular job, run in a regular circle, had regular adult relationships, so it's only natural that she can't see outside of this industry celebrity sphere. Add to that shes a child, children are so sure the reality they inhabit is 'true', they dont yer have the experience to weigh up what's 'the world' and what's 'just me'. Especially with Twitter - toxic internet culture and all that; the reality is that almost noone uses Twitter more than once every few months, and the ones that do are typically young Americans. I cant think of a place less suitable to construct your world view of "society". Yet young people are branded too there and they comment on eilish, so she gives it attention and let's it change her mind.
as a female, I only comment on men's bodies once they try to invalidate me or my knowledge as a lifter - if I get an obnoxious critique that seems like it's only meant to belittle, I might look at this man, and when I see that he is in terrible shape or can't even lift what I can... I might say something scathing about his body - since he's already shown that he doesn't respect my experience, the only thing I have to reply with is my Opinion.
She said nobody says anything about men’s bodies, but then she inmediately added “because girls are nice”, so she was clearly talking about women publicly saying things about men’s bodies, not society in general. You are being disingenuous here.
Guys make and watch videos about training like anime characters or training to look like them Girls make and watch videos about how fictional female characters bodies are unrealistic and problematic
Well there are men in the sports illustrated swimsuit edition and there is still the sexiest man of the year award and there are no more Victoria secret Angels. So it may not be that men talk about women’s bodies less or whatever, but that it is more acceptable to criticize men’s bodies. There is a much larger push for fat acceptance among women than it is among men.
I think this chick literally just comes up with opinions. Doesn’t even bother investigating if her opinions are valid or based on any facts. Guess she never saw how bad the media dragged Elon in the mud for his body. Lol
Billie was so wrong. She also said something absolutely horrible about ugly guys. Also most comments that were cruel about women were said by other women in various places. Interviews asking about who they were wearing. Other women asking that first. Not all but a lot.
I love having my experiences defined by celebrities
Or celebrities telling YOU that YOU are the oppressor, or oppressed. Gotta love how celebrities think their opinions are worth their weight in gold. Same shit during the “summer of love”, same shit during the Coof.
Billie Eillish: "Nobody ever says a thing about mens bodies"
Also Billie Eilish: ‘’Listen, I'm not shaming people for their looks, but I am though. You give an ugly guy a chance, he thinks he rules the world. I swear to God, because they got a hot girl, they can be horrible? Like, you’re still ugly though. Can’t change that. Maybe that’s why."
What a horrible and shallow statement.
It sounds like she is speaking about his personality mainly, 'they can be horrible'. You must have missed that part.
@@cantbendkneeI think you just isolated that single statement and decided to emote the rest of the paragraph maybe you must have missed that part.
@@cantbendknee That's a word for word quote. She said it on video during an interview (just Google it, you'll find the clip of her saying it).
She prefaces her statement by literally saying that she is talking about appearance, as in physical attractiveness. Specifically men who are not attractive, the ugly ones.
Being a horrible person has nothing to do with biological sex or outward appearance. It's how you treat others.
@@SUPEREME_DRAVIDA Nope the only reason she is commenting on his looks is because of his poor personality. That's the sole reason.
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes" Lmao critics should be questioning if she's a sithlord, Darth Billie
Oh, the Jedi hypocrisy...
Ironically, that statement is an absolute.
It's a part of the writing that actually is very, very true and very dangerous.
Ironically, it seems like that's all people deal in the last 10 years or so.
Move the "h" to right after the "S" in sithlord mate.
“because girls are nice” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What about what men say about other men's bodies. Why can't we talk about or address that? Is it taboo or something?
@pbalazs Yes, I don't understand why Zach isn't addressing the men in the comments of his videos shaming him, instead he shoehorns Billie Eilish into the discussion and it becomes a woman bashing exercise.
are you stupid? women judge men horribly, they're just too sheepish to say it directly to them, and you think that is more moral? @@cantbendknee
shaming what? His height? Hahaha give me a break. Also most guys understand that 99% of these comments are banter or from someone who isnt mentally well@@cantbendknee
@@likemysnopp Yeah right, he didn't seem too happy about it hence this video. I've seen what men put in the comments, how they act out their insecurities against each other.
I’ve had a grown woman tell me that I looked like a “holocaust survivor” when I first started lifting, then when I did start putting on some muscle literally every woman in my life including my mother ask why don’t I have shredded abs lol
The ab thing is real
The ab thing is so real, similar experience here, even my own mother asking why I don’t have abs compared to my other muscles
Lmao when I didn’t lift women(usually bigger women) would tell me I’m so skinny. When I got muscles they would all say I must be vain lmao
jesus christ dude. Im proud that you manage to not punch them all right in the face. I would lose my shit fairly quickly if those around me acted like that
Them all disrespecting you bro, tell them to stop it.
Lol yeah sure, nobody on the internet ever made fun of short bald guys, it never happened lmao
If they didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all
Which gender makes fun of men in the comments the most? 54.4% of TH-cam's total users are male, Around 63% of reddit are also male.
@@cantbendknee lmao keep denying that women also comment on mens bodies and overall are also very negative towards ugly / socially undesirable men. It's people like you that enable dumbazzes like billie, because any criticism towards any woman makes losers like you scream "muh misogyny!". And what do online comments have to do with the fact that women generally treat socially undesirable men like trash? How about platforms with a larger female userbase like twitter or instagram? People like you really do believe that all women are beyond criticism and that even when men are the ones being disparaged, its still mens fault. Go pound sand
@@cantbendknee It's definitely men who do it the most online. Or probably boys, more accuately. In person though I'd bet it's heavily weighted in the fairer sex's direction. Bitchy men don't really exist in face to face encounters, in my experience anyway. Well, they exist, but they're forced to rely on passive aggression to avoid getting smacked up lol. Women don't have that problem as often, so they're more likely to speak their mind plainly.
@@cantbendknee And which gender are the journalists in Vogue who "enforce" unrealistic female body images?
Funny how the shoe is on the other foot.
@@Hjk448 Is this people who know you personally, as there is a difference and there is context. What we are discussing here is unsolicited online abuse, which Zach experiences in the comments of his videos. Instead of electing to confront men about this, as it is men doing this, Zach blamed a woman because you all find that more palatable than accepting that men compete with other men so rather than raise each other up they are abusive to strangers both male and female. Zach should have addressed the issue but is too cowardly to do so because you all make up most of his viewership.
My older brother is gay, so a lot of his female friends talk to him like he's a female friend. So when we are sitting around talking, I got to hear what women (not all obviously) speak like behind men's backs. Dick sizes, height, physique, teeth, hand size, hair, hygiene, feet etc etc.. these are a few things they bitch about behind dudes backs that they're seeing. And that is just the physical aspects that they target.
I can confirm that too. I've overheard some nasty things being said about men, but also about their own fathers.
It's bad.
It’s fashionable to hate on men, specifically White men. The fact that there’re people in this comment section excusing her just goes to show how out of touch with reality they are.
@@kugelschreiber5678white men are doing just fine. Getting pushback from millennia of being in power has an effect of feeling like you’re being oppressed. Calm down, you’re not.
Saying that men don't face (or face less than women) judgement for their bodies when the body-positivity "movement" is predominantly female, the "blackpill" is 99% male, making fun of short men is trendy while saying that a fat girl is fat is considered a "hate crime" etc. Is one of the most delusional takes I've ever heard.
Love the Fable 2 Oakfield background!!
Women are extremely judgmental about men’s bodies and other women. I get shit and remarks about my body and have been since I was a little kid. Can’t really understand what Billie has been saying, she makes some very strong statements about men that are real rude. Goes both ways, many men comment on women and their appearances, but we should all be encouraging to each other and help each other
She's lying though, women are far more judgmental of both men and women
You're the one who is lying. If women do they are not the ones voicing it. Women have been criticised for body positivity movement. The majority of nasty comments that I've seen under female fitness influencers on instagram have been men rating their fuckability and their looks or on youtube if a woman is interviewed about her job a man will say whether he considers her to be attractive or not even though it has nothing to do with the video he needs to throw in his two cents. Men also comment on women aging, she's over the hill, camel toe, bet it's a cave, roast beef, hag, cat lady. It's really and predominantly men, and then there is the narrative about them wanting late teen, early 20's 'girls'. They are the main users of reddit and youtube and comments are often hateful and relentless. Men's ageing is not discussed like that and if it is it is never that bad.
@@cantbendkneeyour comment is basically a combination of what we are taught in statistics. The" SAC "which stands for
Selection - Conformation - availability bias.
I dont think thats the entire picture. I agree to your point unaware women are very judgemental at times. Aware women/FLINTA are the least judgemental out of all the people, I would argue.
People commenting men's bodies are not as aware about their comments.
Awareness about commenting womens bodies has risen comparatively.
However, for women an "attractive" body is much more powerful and an "unattractive" one punished pretty harshly too.
Ugly men have it the worst, arguably.
@@SUPEREME_DRAVIDA That was just a part of my point that men are the predominant users so they have the loudest voice but they also do comment a lot of sexualised nonsense about women's bodies and me do not get that. In fact men comment on other men's bodies all the time 'shouldn't have skipped leg day bro' 'you should lift a burger to your face', etc., sound familiar? I think you know that it is mostly men making the negative comments about both genders.
@@cantbendknee You are probably the same type of woman who made fun of ugly, short, or autistic guys in school, but you dont even remember it because to most women, the majority of men who arent handsome rich studs might as well be invisible to the rest of society. I was bullied for being ugly and having autism growing up by many girls (in fact more girls than boys), and I've seen it happen to other "ugly" guys as well. And you denying that women can ever be held responsible for ridiculous societal standards is why many men and boys feel like their problems arent talked about enough, because people like you are akin to female supremacists, since in your view women cant ever also be held responsible for how society treats certain groups, only men can. But keep defending some stupid spoiled pop musician who makes garbage music lol. People like you are why some guys become bitter, since you dont believe mens issues need to be talked about because women are always these oppressed angels.
It’s interesting because I find most negative comments about my body actually come from women. I’m relatively muscular for a girl and while some men occasionally comment, they usually just say stuff like “you look strong” or “you look like you workout” which I take as a compliment. However I get pretty frequent comments from my mother saying stuff like “men don’t like girls with muscles” or “would you not consider looking for feminine”. It doesn’t really bother me because I just think it’s her coming from a different generation than me. But just saying I experience negative comments from women rather than men.
Makes me think of the time Jason Momoa was on vacation and he gained like 5-10lbs since his peak shred since he was enjoying himself on a long vacation like a regular human and every headline was "JASON MOMOA FAT!?" "FANS OUTRAGED" "JASON MOMOA LET HIMSELF GO" "IS JASON AN ALCOHOLIC?" "MOMOA IS FALLING APART!!"
Male celebrities get it too
She's just young and angry. She spoke without really knowing what she was talking about. We've all done it
I wish more people had this kind of take. Good on you man
Love this
Exactly
Best comment i've read this year, proud of you dude.
Shes like 22 right? You say that when someone is 14/17 if a woman isnt mentally matured in their 20's thats a huge red flag
My favourite thing is when girls say they like a dad bod and by dad bod they mean 6ft+ off season bodybuilder/elite muscular strongman.
As someone who struggles with body dysmorphia so much that I can't even take compliments or notice changes in the mirror because I keep comparing myself to these jacked roided up models getting shoved in my face with every advert. I also see so many people with better physiques than me getting trolled in their comments by randoms. Just because women talked louder about their body dysmorphia culture doesn't mean that it doesn't exist for guys.
There were some calling Cbum in offseason a dad bod 💀
@@Jcampz01That’s crazy 💀
@@Jcampz01Too be fair that was in comparison to cbum competition ready, they preferred off season cbum. Like there were also some girls who preferred pudgy guys over the athletic physique.
dude.. you are either very young and have not developed your brain enough yet (which you will when you reach age 25) or you have actual mental issues. Go seek help. And im not talking therapy, im talking go to a psychiatrist and find out your diagnosis and get actual help that works and not just talk about your useless "feelings" which changes every single second anyway.
@@Jcampz01 , isnt it when the whole "dad bod" meme came from?
I think Billie is awesome, but it is never a good idea to make a case for one group suffering, by claiming another group suffers less. Being alive and actually liking the experience is incredibly difficult for most people, no matter what/who they are, so starting from a place of sympathy is always the best call. There is enough suffering to go around.
this
chronically offline take
@@DanielCollins419 The irony is that I'm not online enough to actually know what that means, but being offline sounds like it should be a compliment these days.
So thanks, king!
Are you kidding? She shows classic signs of a malignant narcissist, borderline sociopath
@@DeadDrunk2 It is a compliment !
I am a 1.94 m tall male and I guarantee that the vast majority of people I met in my life has been commenting on my body on a daily base. This was the case when I was a lanky teen, as well as when I became a 120kg class powerlifter. And yes I often just wanted people to shut up.
I'm blessed with height just like Zach, but the amount of women I know that would never date a man below 6' while being 5'2 themselves is astounding. Sure, women might not judge a man's weight (which you can change with a little bit of discipline), but height is something you can never ever change unless you do extremely risky and super expensive surgeries to lengthen your bones
"Women don't care what men look like. I don't care if you're tall. I'm 5ft btw and my boyfriend of 10 years is 6+ft and I think he's totally hot but that's different."
"Nobody ever says a thing about men's bodies"
Just yesterday, two 10 year old girls walked into my store. They noticed that we had those Mr. Beast chocolate bars. They said "he's a horrible guy". I asked why, and mentioned that he just provided water to villages in Africa. They said it was because "he was ugly". And remember. They were 10. When they're teenagers, they're going to be even more shallow and brutal
It shows that she was homeschooled. I don't know how much people in here interacted with girls while in highschool but it's just asinine to say that women don't criticize men's and other women's bodies, that extends to adulthood obviously. There are men traveling to Russia and Turkey to undergo dangerous operations that will probably prevent them from practising sports ever again just to gain a couple of inches because they've been bullied their whole life for their height by both men and women. Most physiques in media are roided up which also impacts some men's self esteem. I could multiply the examples but the comment is probably getting too long.
It annoys me that women's activists have drilled into their own head that somehow, activism is a zero sum game. Any men's issue that is brought up is rapidly shut down and the discussion centered around women. We should be helping each other, the sexes are supposed to complement each other not fight in some sort of gender war for who gets the most pity points. The issue is that most people then defend them since men are expected to solve their own issues. I agree that men should strive to become better people and solve their own issues but not being eternally demonized would be nice.
That’s the patriarchy man. Literally what feminists have been saying for decades. It’s killing us. Patriarchy kills more men than anything. Unrealistic standards are developed by those in power, adopted as gospel by BOTH genders, and participated in by both.
first off! amazing background choice! second! I feel the whole non-fitness friends think Im jacked and I feel like im not because im not in the top 1% at the gym thing lol
On youtube I would be small and certainly see negative comments, but I have had guys come up to me in real life on multiple occasions to ask me if I would be their trainer w/out them even knowing I had a personal training business.
Men and women have made negative comments about my body both as a kid and an adult. So Thanks for making this video to address this point because I have dealt with body dysmorphia my whole life and ime many people are unaware of this side of the conversation.
This shit always infuriates me.
There has always been this talk about Barbies being horrible for the female psyche and how social media and model standards give young girls ED. It has always been the exact same shit for boys but nobody gave a shit.
@ErgBerg1998 Yeah, that's also true. The amount of work for reaching the ideal is vastly different.
I feel like often times the only group women as a whole are nice/supportive towards are those women that they feel no longer pose a threat to them
@zack this is Bobby N (yes that one) - you do a good articulate job. Keep it up. I’m a fan of your content
I'd say the problem is that there is a larger amount of women who are obese or in other ways generally unattractive but present themselves as beautiful, which then often gets praised by women and ridiculed by men. At the same time unattractive men generally dont present them selves in a different way then they are, so in turn they're not commented on in such a manner.
Those “unattractive men” become black pilled.
I was a bit cautious when pressing play, I was afraid to get some good old misogyny even though I enjoy your content. And I'm so glad that you were just your very very reasonable self as always and commenting on these body image and the problem that people have with other people's bodies issues. but you are so reasonable - it's a delight to watch your videos
Idk who you are but this comment made my day. Thank you so much.
Yay! 🤩@@zacktelander I'm just a regular normal everyday normal mf lol
Keep making vids on this 🤜🤛
Billie Eilish is clearly not the lady in "hello lady an gentlemen". The mystery of Zack's lone lady subscriber continues.
It’s not just about negative commenting, but commenting in general. 9 out of ten times it would be better not to comment anything. Most people don’t need to know your opinion about them, however positive you might think the comment is. In the receiving end it might be anything but positive. Positive comments are an art form themselves, not all people possess that ability.
So is the obvious bold line connecting gear and body dysmorphia not clear? Is it just me?🤷🏽♂️
I love that the comments had to defend her by twisting her words to make it more palatable, instead of taking her words at face value.
She said what she said. And its patently wrong. Theres a major epidemic of singleness and lonliness in men right now because women are judging so hard and difficult (among other things) and men are like F it, ill be single. Its been a massive shift, so much it cant be ignored.
I sometimes find myself thinking in stereotypes about what men do vs what women do, and almost everytime when i start to disect those ideas i find too many exceptions as to completely dispell that preconcieved stereotype or notion. "Men dont do this" "Women dont do that" "only women do that" and so on... "Girls are nice..." all statements that generalize about gender can be flat out discarded as false. Thats not saying men and women are biologically the same or anything, and there are differences. It's just impossible to make a true statement which generalizes about difference. Women seem to judge me more for obvious reasons than men do. And if they dont say it out loud, at least they show it. If you go through enough of a transformation, you notice they look at you differently once you have some muscle. Not that it really makes a difference though.
Not to sound like an incel but
1. What if you're short? ...yeah
2. What if you're bald? .......yeah
3. What if you don't look symmetrical in the face? ............yeah
4. What if you're above average in looks, are empathetic and charismatic but don't aggressively put yourself out there? Congrats, radio silence with no invitations. An existence most women (no offense) and _particularly_ someone like Billie Eilish, could never and will never relate to.
I do think there’s a certain validity to what she’s saying.
I’m fully aware that there is a major and growing problem with body dysmorphia in men, particularly the bodybuilding community. The explosive expansion of PED usage by boys in their teens and twenties is proof of that.
But while judging women’s bodies is the social norm, I think that judging men’s bodies is something that seems mostly relegated to fitness spaces.
I could be completely wrong about that. As a Gen Xer my quest is for preservation of mobility and muscle endurance…
You know what. I take it back. I just realized how pervasive and brutally toxic the Alpha bro hustle culture is.
God damn it! The internet is so cool. Why does it also have to be so poisonous?
You just need to look at the numbers spent on marketing for men vs women... women judge each other more harshly and judge men. Men judge each other for the most part with the difference being women will gaslight each other to make each other feel better, men don't do this for the most part you on your own.
Somehow she always finds a way to really show her age and lack of nuance and understanding of the world around her. She’s conflating plutonic relationships with intimate ones as if she compares them equally to one another. That’s so naive and honestly disingenuous because deep down she knows that’s not true. And everyone is not cool with every body type. What she described are merely preferences, that not unlike women do men have. Some men like big girls, some do not. Sooo is she believes male body dysmorphia doesn’t exist because of this same reason then wouldn’t that imply that she doesn’t believe female body dysmorphia exist as well? Tell me that you’re biased without saying so.
That right there is the take of all time
I think, at least from what I’ve observed, is that the difference is men feel more comfortable commenting publicly on the bodies of others with no particular connection to themselves. Whereas women tend to shy away from public critiques but will feel more comfortable letting those close to them know how they feel about their body. It’s why a woman won’t say anything about a male celebrity not having abs but will feel perfectly fine asking their partner why he doesn’t have any. While the man feels okay writing that “X” female celebrity has too small of an ass but won’t want to make his partner feel inadequate by saying something similar.
At least in my own life, other males close to me only ever say good things about my body. Whereas my wife either wants me to be leaner, or my grandmothers want me to “put some meat on the bone” (which is ironic since I am like 15% bf and quite muscled, they’re just fat).
there was great respond to those comments regarding " man judge more often" - someone wrote - they may be more VOCAL but women are as much judgmental as men - and i stand by it 100%
i'm a big fan of billie and i'm also much older than she is. billie doesn't have the most expansive vocabulary, unfortunately. i think she just forgot for a minute that reporters and especially editors are not her friends. it was a very impulsive, thoughtless thing to have said to someone who's gonna publish it. i also think she has a degree of ptsd at this point, which sucks. save talk like that for your friends and your therapist, billie.
girls (women) can be absolutely vicious about other's physical appearance. just as bad as men. men, however also seem to do this thing, especially online, where their first impulse is to outright dismiss or undermine a successful woman in some way, typically attributing their success to someone or something else, merely being attractive, or even just dumb luck. like they're incapable of acknowledging that it could just be that they're talented. i don't think that aspect of criticism comes from women towards men nearly as much.
@@Hjk448 i see. you've never said something stupid. congrats. i just don't get why this pisses so many dudes off. chalk it up to people getting their daily outrage fix. there's always more where that came from.
All the problems stem from sex sells. Objectification makes money
So for decades the media marketing advertising and now social media use this premis to sell products records movies. And the collateral damage are young men and women
Is that a fable background?
As long as a dude has money, he can pull chicks no matter what he looks like.
Zach a slip of the tongue doesn't go on for half a paragraph.
A slip of the brain then?
I think the key to agreeing or disagreeing to her statement is considering it in a micro or macro scale. When we look at male body shaming compared to women body shaming... the second is so widespread and culturally rooted that make male body shaming look like the exception to a cruel norm
no, that is your own view because it is from your perspective. Just like from a mans perspective its the opposite. I dont get how that is hard to understand.
Meanwhile I'm a 5'6" male that's been absolutely shit on for my height my whole life mostly from women
Keep going bro, love your channel, love the honesty and the passion and how you are yourself. More valuable than anything.
The constant cycle of learning about celebrities against my will.
Shes the definition of an entitled celeb who grew up on twitter
Lately I've come across girls who critiqued the height of guys. "oh youre only 178 cm tall" "only 70 kg" so idk if girls are really nicer than guys.
corny millionaire comparing her privileged existence with "war" is like some Shakespeare Fool's Prophecy level shit
She's right. Nobody cares about how we men look. It's the internet's fitness bubble that cares about it. And it's all they care about. Thankfully REAL life is different.
loved the outro music
Ah yes, and this coming, as per usual, from an attractive and admired young woman.
What is with the background lol?
This is utter insanity from Eilish. Women don't care about what men look like? HEIGHT IS THE NUMBER ONE REJECTION CRITERIA THAT WOMEN HAVE FOR MEN. I respect the hell out of her as an artist, but this is so out of touch, it's hardly worth even entertaining.
Women might not make negative comments very often about men's bodies. However, they treat men differently based on their bodies / how attractive they are.
So, I wasn't bullied for being a little fat boy. I guess it was just in my head
Yo is that fable behind you?!
Me my entire adolescent life as an underweight guy was people telling me I was skinny.
We haven't moved past it because almost no household male celebrities have actually talked about this. Finally the fitness industry is just starting to talk about it, but even that is still not the norm.
Guys...remember billie is a kid.
I get the reaction content does well and I hope you’re getting the engagement you’re after. But I could care less what a millionaire celebrity says about anything - least of all their perception of the lives of everyday people. I don’t think you care either, Zack. But wish you well with the video regardless.
People swear being younger and richer is the hardest thing on earth 😩
I guess she’s never watched a Marvel movie, read a superhero comic book, played with a boys action figure, or heard of He-Man.
That is because our bodies are not viewed as a sexual object of affection.... women, we were created equal, NOT THE SAME!!!!
This from the same chick that advised women never to give an ugly guy a chance cause he'll feel like he rules the world.
"What is your total?" is the great equalizer.
You may have a more ideal aesthetic than someone objectively but if you can't put up the numbers... you may want to shut up, sit down, and take some notes.
Except that just like aesthetics, strength is largely genetic man. Maybe just accept people for who they are instead of judging them in the first place
@@SSMJ"what's your total" is never the first statement, it's the response to other people who have already actively judged people for something
@@SSMJabsolutely. I have dyspraxia and have a heart condition. My dyspraxia and heart meds make training and improving so much harder. But i am still dedicated and work out 4x a week. I am 155lbs and deadlift 355, squat 260, bench 165.5. I am super skinny and not impressively strong. I dont give a fuck. I am proud of what I do but it still hurts when some stupid roided meathead says some stupid backhanded comment about my strength. Even if I didnt have dyspraxia it is so innapropriate to put someone down for their physical strength.
@@SSMJ that's why you ask for their weightlifting total (snatch, clean and jerk) which is determined mostly by skill, not their powerlifting total which is mostly determined by genetics and gear.
@@alubchicken thank you for clarifying. I'm speaking of their weightlifting total.
Thank you.
Another thing that bothers me and I know she’s not truly trying to deny this - this was an interview about herself. I can let that go. But it’s also the fact of how many people parrot what she said-
The idea that because you as a woman are not seeing what other women say to men about their bodies means it’s not really a thing. Not only is that false, but even if we pretend it’s true, what we do see is men being rejected constantly for very obvious bodily reasons even if they’re not explicitly stated bt the women / other men who reject them. Not just romantically or sexually but in general, even when it comes to friendship or rejection from some sort of social group. And I’m not saying oh we have it so hard because everyone doesn’t love, this isn’t supposed to be some incel shit. Nobody owes us anytbing. But to act like it doesn’t exist just because it’s not explicitly stated, that’s what’s disappointing to hear.
Didn’t she have an interview where she said something like women should stop dating ugly men?
yeah, but i understand her, she was really bodyshamed for her look and look at the case of Katelyn Ohashi who was bodyshamed for her body or all the track and field videos here on youtube, there are most of the time are girls filmed.
Billie eilish for lift companion?
Girls might be nice to your face… they’re not nice behind your back though. Guys aren’t any meaner or more judgemental. They’re just more upfront.
Lol, when I got into lifting I would obsess over the size of my arms, back, shoulders etc... I worked my ass off to make them bigger. No special routines. Just pure obsessive compulsive lifting and flexing in the mirror. Pure dysmorphia. Funny enough, what fixed it wasn't accepting my body. I just got big enough I wasn't bothered by it anymore lol. Is it even dysmorphia? Or you just want to be big and strong and capable like your idols, but you are 14 and weigh 120 pounds. Of course you wouldn't feel good about your body. You are holding yourself to a standard. Most people dont.
I’ve always been neutral on Billie Eillish because I never listened to her music. Feels like her fans can be annoying but what artist’s fanbase isn’t? Plus since she’s pretty and I’ve seen people make sexual comments about her on the internet which is shitty, I’ve always had a bit of reasonable sympathy for her. Just assumed her music was probably good and that she was also probably cool.
I’m not gonna be over dramatic from one statement she made, but man was it a really shitty and disappointing one to hear especially as a generalization. And especially as someone who’s had all kinds of comments about her own body
If you think women aren't judgmental about men's bodies then try being on a dating app without being in shape.
Somebody was homeschooled, and it shows. I don't think she has even seen what middle school girls are like.
They don't say things about men's bodies and only caring how much money do they have.
I would argue that women comment on women’s body more than men comment on anyone’s body. Men tend to comment on attractive post with the delusional hope of getting a response. Women comment on others women body to attack because it makes them feel better. But that’s just my experience, I haven’t travelled the world yet lol
“Gurls are nice” until your not 6’4” and jacked
Billie should make an online dating profile as a man who's 5 foot 4 inches.... Like how oblivious can one be to the experience of roughly 50% of humanity?
Who is billie?
This video unironically needs more Bloatlord.
The countless gyatt comments on my posts are the counter arguement😔😔😔
I think it's fine to disregard comments like these as I'll informed and childish, specifically because eilish is a child star in the internet. She hasn't worked a regular job, run in a regular circle, had regular adult relationships, so it's only natural that she can't see outside of this industry celebrity sphere. Add to that shes a child, children are so sure the reality they inhabit is 'true', they dont yer have the experience to weigh up what's 'the world' and what's 'just me'.
Especially with Twitter - toxic internet culture and all that; the reality is that almost noone uses Twitter more than once every few months, and the ones that do are typically young Americans. I cant think of a place less suitable to construct your world view of "society". Yet young people are branded too there and they comment on eilish, so she gives it attention and let's it change her mind.
"...girls are nice, we see people by who they are" weird flex but ok. Why are women constantly tapping them on the back?
Hey this Zack guy is pretty jacked, I think I'll listen to what he has to say.
Remember when Jason Momoa took a photo by the pool in offseason shape? He was roasted by everyone for having a dad bod at like 15% body fat.
After seeing this, I'm happy I have no clue who Billie Elisih is. Something tells me her music isn't going to be for me. 😂
as a female, I only comment on men's bodies once they try to invalidate me or my knowledge as a lifter - if I get an obnoxious critique that seems like it's only meant to belittle, I might look at this man, and when I see that he is in terrible shape or can't even lift what I can... I might say something scathing about his body - since he's already shown that he doesn't respect my experience, the only thing I have to reply with is my Opinion.
She said nobody says anything about men’s bodies, but then she inmediately added “because girls are nice”, so she was clearly talking about women publicly saying things about men’s bodies, not society in general. You are being disingenuous here.
Guys make and watch videos about training like anime characters or training to look like them
Girls make and watch videos about how fictional female characters bodies are unrealistic and problematic
Is that fucking fable in the background? 🤩
Well there are men in the sports illustrated swimsuit edition and there is still the sexiest man of the year award and there are no more Victoria secret Angels. So it may not be that men talk about women’s bodies less or whatever, but that it is more acceptable to criticize men’s bodies. There is a much larger push for fat acceptance among women than it is among men.
I think this chick literally just comes up with opinions. Doesn’t even bother investigating if her opinions are valid or based on any facts. Guess she never saw how bad the media dragged Elon in the mud for his body. Lol
Billie was so wrong. She also said something absolutely horrible about ugly guys. Also most comments that were cruel about women were said by other women in various places. Interviews asking about who they were wearing. Other women asking that first. Not all but a lot.
Interesting. I’m not sure how to reconcile this with the worst comments about women usually coming from other women.