Gotta love a company that listens to it’s customers and takes good, constructive critique and improves their product. Good job Sierra! I believe your future is bright!
Yep. The ammo crisis made it possible for smaller ammo companies to have bigger sales. The companies that reinvested those profits into R&D and are coming out with bettet products will have a bright future.
Never should have released it to the public. Imagine if someone bought it and had to use it in their home or in public and it overpenetrated from lack of expansion.
Only if you got a TH-cam channel with lots of subscribers will they send you the product you paid for. If your just slobs like us that bought a few boxes of the old crap, we are S.O.L.
The fact that Sierra reached out to you and sent you ammo for testing is testament to how much your channel has grown. Also, you should take pride in knowing you helped initiate an improvement to a product. I don't know how much effort was required on their part to make this change, but it seems like no small feat. Kudos to Sierra for going to such lengths to satisfy its customers.
Man that ammunition engineer at Sierra Outdoors is a go-getter. That ammo-hunt video wasn't but a few days ago. This is the kind of integrity that shooters like myself and many others come to respect and appreciate in the long-term. This test and video right here, coupled with the actions of the company themselves, have convinced me to give them another try. Looks like the bigger hole achieved its goal.
@@ToolsandTargets I've loaded Sierra bullets in rifle loads for quite some time. Consistent weight, length and diameter make them very accurate. The Gameking is my favorite in .243 Winchester for hunting, ( just can't find it), 308 Winchester, 175 SMK for target, 150 or 165 grain Soft point hunting, 135 tipped Gameking out to around 400 yard in my 6.5 creed past that 140 grain or 147 in another brand in 6.5. Pistol bullets I load are usually for practice and FMJ. After this test I will be working up a load for this bullet in .45 to try if available. Sierra has always impressed me with their rifle projectiles. Lots of manufacturers have up to 5 grain difference and in 6.5 just a month or 2 ago, 10 thousandths difference between lot numbers in length. Now I understand lots will say that is nothing. If shooting for accuracy 10 thousandth in length, even the diameter was off instead of .264 were .259. Weight was off by quite a bit also. I contacted Hornady and they stated that was within their standards and would never be noticed?! No offer to reimburse or send another lot number. Like the guy in that department said, that lot passed on our inspection within our standards. Really?! Anyone loading and shooting for any kind of accuracy should know that is bull. I have a copy of the E-mail. So I say, Thank you to Tools and Thank you to Sierra for addressing a failure like that and not blowing smoke up the customers......butt. Thanks Tools sorry so long but I really wanted Sierra and you to know how Hornady treated a customer with a failure. Thanks for your time brother and effort. Keep'em coming!
@@cal30m1 Myself, just a consumer and I've been shooting and loading a while. For my 308 bang for the buck is hard to beat on 175gr SMK. It shoots very well out to 1200 yards which counts good in my book. Gameking is an excellent hunting round which I use in 243 . It shoots itty bitty groups also. What can I say, 6.5 creed shoots the 130 Gamechanger in itty bitty holes. I have other bullets I use but Sierra is on for weight and length pretty much everytime and for distance that counts. Target shooting long range especially.
@@waynv1835 Yeah, unfortunately everything for sale right now is the original design from my understanding. I don't believe any of this improved design is out in the public as of now.
After seeing how well Sierra handled this situation and I am now an avid Sierra fan and will definitely buy more of their products. Way to handle business Sierra.
they got it on sale at palmetto state right now... 200 rds for under $100, but then an additional $50 mail in rebate... makes these about 24-26 cents/round after shipping n tax
@@RichardCranium321 I believe it's the first batch of poor performers, I assume they are trying to dump the old stuff, which at that price, I already bought some. Have not received my rebate yet and it's been about 2 months.
This speaks very, very highly of Sierra as a company. I am pleased with their consideration of the product failing. The initiative to reach out to you/us is impressive and encouraging. The correction being effective is outstanding. Fixing a problem is admirable & appreciated. Thank you Sir & Thank you Sierra. Scores high points in my book.
When a company takes the time to reach out to you, rather than go with the ‘status quo’, they’ve got my business! Especially after improving their product and giving you the opportunity to prove their improvement! That is awesome! Kudos to Sierra Ammo!!👍🏻 Thank you for sharing!! Stay safe!!🇺🇸👍🏻
@@ToolsandTargets The hollow point cavity of the 380 version of these bullets has a pretty deep hole. So I'm hoping that they will perform well in my S&W Bodyguard.
Boy, it sure is nice knowing that a company listens to its customers and makes changes. Sierra definitely made a BIG improvement to these rounds. The ammo is impressive, but the REAL impressive part is Sierra contacting YOU, and not the other way around. People (and companies are just groups of people) can make mistakes. It's how you deal with your mistakes that defines your character. Sierra has character. I will definitely buy from them again. (But only after looking for the deep hole in the boolit!) Keep 'em comin', Tools!
I will give Sierra props for pulling thru and fixing their mistake. It was super funny seeing you unable to do your job hitting the dog gone jelly block lol. It did give us an opportunity to see the consistency of the rounds tho. Appreciate the testing here tools.
Hats off for sierra and its willingness to correct the poor performance of the rounds you tested a few months ago, actions like this talks really good about any company. Good video as always sir!
We specifically did not buy Sierra because of the past tests. Due to their concern and improvement they are at the top of the list to buy. Nice job Sir.
This change Sierra made to the ammo they sent for you to re-test worked phenomenally better than the originals! Did they tell you if they were recalling the poorly performing ammo - or if they were hoping to phase it out? Again, thanks Tools for all you do to keep us educated!! Stay safe and well-prepared, my friend!!
They are definitely phasing it out with the new stuff. The letter said it could be towards the end of the year before some people would see the new stuff though. I'm gonna email em and see if there is a way to tell from the box markings which rounds they are.
Very nice test and results Tools. Sierra did listen and made the changes they needed to. Kudos to Sierra for stepping up and fixing the problem. This test sure proves you don't need Mach 10 speed to get the job done. Nice expansion with excellent penetration. Be vigilant, be safe
I bought this stuff in both 40 and 45. Tested both in 3", 4", and 5" barrels. Once completed, I decided to put the ammo in my carry firearms. The most impressive was the 45 ACP in the short barrel 3". The results were amazing.
Yeah me too... I get jacket separation through 4 layers of denim. But it completely penetrated 4 layers, two water jugs , and lodged in the 2nd layer of my fleece backstop. Even with the jacket separation, that's good penetration for a projectile that expanded to over 3/4 of an inch... This is with a full size m&p. So I bet with the lower velocity of a short barrel, they would be perfect. Probably would hold their jacket, and penetrate even deeper. Although I suspect the expansion wouldn't be as extreme with the short barrel
@@thealarmclock9307 Really good. I compared them to Underwood, & Speer a gold Dot. I was pleasantly shocked, to the point of making these my preferred carry rounds.
@@ToolsandTargets To be honest, you were my influence to try them out, after seeing your video. My curiosity got the best of me, and I went full Paul Harrell. A few racks of ribs, a couple water Melons, and a sliced up football (for skin affect), and they had incredible results. Subtract roughly 2 inches of penetration, and I would almost put them on the level of Ranger T (minus the sharps talon affect seen at the end of the flower) . Considering the price difference, it was an easy decision to make them a carry choice. The results seen from a 3” barrel were probably most impressive I’ve seen from a HP round vs the limited barrel length. This company is definitely going to be a force to reckon with in the future.
Absolutely fantastic !!! Great penetration and great expansion. Can’t ask for any better. Congratulations to Sierra for listening and improving their product. Thank You for another great video Tools
Thanks for the update. Sierra's 9mm 124gr HP is priced at $24.99 for 20 rounds out here in CA, but it is often on sale at Turner's for $12.49. Even at that price point I didn't buy these because of the version 1.0 Gel Test done by Tools&Target. Sierra really should change their packaging to identify which rounds are the old version vs the new one. If I can't diffentiate between the two, this will be on the top of the list of brands to stay away from.
Yeah, a packaging change would have been nice. I suspect that's why they're on sale pretty much everywhere right now and have a rebate available. Trying to clear out all the older stock.
I completely agree. I'm in Cali looking at them right now online for $15. I can't tell the difference so I will pass until I am confident they sold all of their 1.0s
They sure did redeem themselves very impressed I hope to see more from Sierra Masters and other calibers another great video Tools. Stay safe and God bless
They look like Full Metal Jacket Performance. Maybe switch the mix in the lead core to the same core material used in the 22 and 6mm Lead tip blitz. Also, with the 115's going slower than the 124's, looks like they set up the loading machine with the same powder charge for both bullets, nose configuration being the same, just changed the bullet weight being seated with no machine adjustments. 115's should be in the relm of 1150 fps, non plus P. Tools and Targets, you are doing a great job, thank you so much! Sierra is trying to up their game, got to give them credit for that.
Hi, I was wondering if you could do a new test on the 124gr Sierra match hollow point projectile that is on, in a Ammo Inc box. I don't think you have done any of these through the cloth barrier. I see these on sale at sportsman warehouse but no one has tested these specific bullets. Love your channel
Brian, Sierra knew *exactly* what they were doing when they reached out to you and sent you the new ammo. You may be a good ol' boy and as blunt as a spoon, but you're honest, you know what you're doing, and your testing is so professional and so thorough that a good product will get a fair shake. You do us all a great service, consumers and manufacturers alike. It would be a smart move by any manufacturer to send you stuff for product testing. I had watched the previous videos you've done on the Sierra ammo. After seeing the first one, I basically gave the Sierra 9mm I saw on the shelves in my local Academy a pass. Then when I saw your ammo hunt update on the Sierra, I thought, "Okay, keep an eye out for the next Sierra test." Now I'll be very open to picking up any deals on Sierra 9mm in the future. Thanks, man!
An outdoors defensive load should be geared toward frontal shots on cougars and bears. So Sierra's original design maybe a better load for the outdoors. I would want maximum energy for caliber and deep penetration
I always thought the sports master ammo was better than the outdoor master ammo based purely on my subjective opinion on how the projectiles looked. Maybe if you can get some of that we can compare the two. Glad to hear that Sierra made it right in the end.
I could be mistaken because it's a little confusing looking at the lineup, but I think the Outdoor Master and Sports Master use the same bullet. I remember doing some checking on it when I first tested these.
I'm waiting a few months for the old stuff to be bought up by people who don't watch test videos. Then, in a few months, I'm hoping you buy some from a store and see if the store bought stuff is good. I wish they modified the boxes to indicate that it was recent production.
Well, first off, I'm glad that you had an opportunity to test the new and improved 9mm stuff. Pretty good for a little bullet. 'Course I only use 45ACP since I'm an old timer, and set in my ways.😁
Very nice to see a manufacturer making positive changes to their ammo. Now if we can just get 10mm up to where it needs to be from just about every manufacturer.
Kudos to the Sierra employees to step up their game. Huge difference than the first time, very nice. Great testing there bud. Wonder when the new loads will hit the shelves? Looks like you got plenty of plinking ammo to have fun with lol 😆. I want to try the new ones in 9mm on some plastic bottles and cans to see what they do. Well done again my friend. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Big incentive to buy their ammo because of the improvements & because their customer service listened unlike Sigs dept. Usually the prices aren't bad at all. Very close but for me I would pick the 124gr because it's actually faster. Very good filming sir. Appreciate you. 🇺🇸 👍 👍
@@ToolsandTargets Academy has it. What is difference between the Outdoor & the Sport besides $1 per box? Or is it the same? Took some checking because they don't have enough info. The Sport is a 2 piece elastic. & brass base casing - but reloadable ? - & the Outdoor is a brass casing. Interesting.
@@billdye3530 I remember trying to get info on this when I first tested these, and I'm pretty sure I came to the conclusion that they use the same bullets.
It's great to hear that they actually listen to their customers and now make a better product. If you hadn't posted your results I would still have the original bullets in my EDC that obviously don't perform. I'll try out the 2nd gen rounds since they fixed the problem.
The letter I got said they would be cycling onto the shelves but could be towards the end of the year before you start seeing them. I'm gonna try to email em this coming week and see if there is any way to tell the difference without looking at the rounds.
Ty for the data i am looking at getting some of these now on sale but wanted to make sure that they were gtg. Watched both videos on these and they seem real good now that they tweaked the design a little.
Out of the outhouse an into the range, carry rotation ! Nice they contacted you And fixed issue , impressive ! Good thing they sent you a generous amount, lol
This is the first I've known Sierra made ammo. Kudos to Sierra for getting after it. The 115g extreme spread was questionable but they performed well, I'm just a stickler for consistent speeds and feel that's all bullet tension. Good Stuff T&T Thanks!
A few years ago, I read a report that stated that companies who rectified errors with honesty and good grace, were better regarded, than companies who had made no errors! I reckon it’s the same with people too.
Just seeing this video, but as a Missouri resident I will say I love using an in-state ammo supplier. Sierra and Starline brass are both down the street from each other and I use both of them. Actually have a contact with Sierra and have gotten quite a few "factory seconds" that I could not tell apart from perfect off the shelf bullets. Best of all they were free. Love the test and keep up the good work.
Glad to see these ammo manufacturers are watching your videos , I bought the Sierra 185 grain 45 ACP ammo based on a Tools&Targets video, happy sierra fixed the 9mm ammo which I will now buy after watching this video, thank you for making these videos,
now that's more like it !!! i gotta give it to sierra they did a great job upgrading these bullets..i've been seeing them here and there and i was passing them by cause of the tests you shown..i'm going to be rethinking on that one..once again..Kotos to sierra for stepping up and contacting you and then taking care for the problem....Tools..thanks for a very nice jelly test and follow up..i like these a whole lot better than the first ones for sure...
I've followed you on these Sierra bullets/loads for several video. I was so curious because Underwood load these rounds and they're very popular. They do advertise the bullet disign as being a compromise between rapid expansion and penetration.
I picked some up in .45acp and the hollow point is deep. I like that they worked to correct the problem and made a real effort to get more to you to test. I plan to pick up a couple more boxes. Thank you and keep doing the quality testing.
I found this stuff for I belive just $8 a box when it first came out. So I thought worst case use it for cycle testing. It did cycle in everythig I have 100% no problem. It would even cycle a very tight double stack 1911. I got great results from a 5 inch 1911. It would expand and go deep. A little too deep. I figured it was for more like something for bigger tougher critters like bear, moose, or something like that. I still keep a mag of it in the truck and use it when we go camping. It is refreshing to see a company who responds to user feedback like this. (Take a hint Sig) I like your what you see is what you get way of doing things. Keep up the good work and thanks for the great content as always.
that's the expatiations that I got for several years ago.and never any problems with any Sierra pistol/revolver calibers I loaded and the jacketed holo cavity bullets are devistating on deer vitals,it thank a little edge over my xtp bullets even though the hollow cavity fragments more with equal damage.but since this mess the last 31/2-4 years finding serria iny area is rare, internet forget it.whait little I did find was jacked up so high I refused to pay it when my stock of xtp bullets are equal to. I greatly appreciate and enjoyed the video.papa wishing you well
Agree with the comments related to the consideration of feedback; great to see. Stopped at Bass Pro today and unfortunately they still have the older stuff on shelves…..
Been on the fence about this ammo for a bit, but after this review I will definitely be buying some. Thank you sir for another great and informative video
Thank you! I've purchased a bunch of these since they have been priced aggressively. Going to be testing these on my defensive weapons. If they run, will be doing more stock piling.
Here we are at 8/16 2023 and they are STILL Clearing out the old stuff! Sports Master 380s at 9.95 a box still! Geez come on Sierra and Midway its been almost a year! They also have some bulk ,bare Sierra, and Sierra/ Sig V-Crown 9mm - 124 and 125 grain, bullets. The 125's are a longer HP bullet but use the same load data, supposedly. So I may buy 100 of each 124/5's and some 90gr for 380 and try to work up some loads, shoot some tests, but I don't have any high dollar gel, but I do have a new Pro- chrono, I may make some homemade Knox Gel someday. I could at least compare the brands I have against each other, and my reloads with it 😀 I hope they make those new better 9mm/380 hollowpoints someday ! ( It sounds like the end of the year before we will see these.
Sierra is a really good company based in central Missouri (the Show Me State ) I am sure they are trying to make sure their bullets are as well as the can make them. The 3.5" barrel is costing you some velocity for sure but they should still expand. Sierra is known for their extremely accurate high power target and hunting rounds. I bet these expand better. I knew they would fix anything they could. Nice Job Sierra! Their sister company Starline Brass make really good brass as well! Great Testing Tools !
Sierra is one of the best Bullet makers imo. It’s no surprise to me they got it figured out. After trying Hornady, Bergers, Nosler, as well as Sierra I have ended up with my best loads in 308, 6.5 CM, 6cm, and 223 all being with Sierra projectiles. 308= 175 SMK 6.5 CM = 142 SMK 6cm = 107 smk 223= 69 smk as well as 52 smk. Hornady and Berger has some nice shooting bullets as well, but overall Sierra does it better more often for me.
PSA is running a sale on that exact brand. 200 rounds for around 80. My math $0.40 per round Very cheap for any JHP I just got them today. Thought it was a great score. Only checked out your video after I already got them. At first I thought it was the old sub par ammo. That picture you took of both rounds was very helpful. I beleive the ammo I got was the new and improved based on that picture. Feel better about that. Great video. Thanks
They are using a good powder, the rounds i have tested have been stellar, and i have had to shoot some coyotes on the farm and their hollow points have been top notch for quick and clean kills no suffering which is more than i can say for those 50gr 2000fps liberty defense rounds that seem to impress in gel. The civil defense 50gr bullets explode on live targets and do alot of shallow damage, but that coyote ran a long way before dying and i don't like that to happen. The sierra 115gr hollow points even before these new rounds performed perfect on a live target but it may be because of the camp carbine much longer barrel giving higher velocities. I did test them in gel from the camp 9 but they still didn't quite expand and in a coyote they worked perfectly.
These were extremely overpriced and underwhelming before they made these changes even out of as long as an 8 inch barrel. Even a 115 fmj would pretty effectively drop a coyote unless you're a horrible shot. At the end of the day, 99.9% of the ammo out there will do the job and this 9mm Sierra is definitely improved from the original design, but it's still not even close to the hollow point performance of many other rounds.
Have reloaded sierra for hunting rifles for years w good effect. Glad their goals for high quality ammo as well as reloading bullets are still high! Nice video! Ordered 9mm and 45 acp, given current rebates
Gotta love a company that listens to it’s customers and takes good, constructive critique and improves their product. Good job Sierra! I believe your future is bright!
Agreed
Yep. The ammo crisis made it possible for smaller ammo companies to have bigger sales. The companies that reinvested those profits into R&D and are coming out with bettet products will have a bright future.
Never should have released it to the public. Imagine if someone bought it and had to use it in their home or in public and it overpenetrated from lack of expansion.
Only if you got a TH-cam channel with lots of subscribers will they send you the product you paid for. If your just slobs like us that bought a few boxes of the old crap, we are S.O.L.
@@eaglespetty yeah just imagine that.... C'mon bro you do the thinking when you aim, not your ammo's job you always count on you first and foremost.
The fact that Sierra reached out to you and sent you ammo for testing is testament to how much your channel has grown. Also, you should take pride in knowing you helped initiate an improvement to a product. I don't know how much effort was required on their part to make this change, but it seems like no small feat. Kudos to Sierra for going to such lengths to satisfy its customers.
Agreed. Their reaction to this was perfect.😎👍
Man that ammunition engineer at Sierra Outdoors is a go-getter. That ammo-hunt video wasn't but a few days ago.
This is the kind of integrity that shooters like myself and many others come to respect and appreciate in the long-term.
This test and video right here, coupled with the actions of the company themselves, have convinced me to give them another try.
Looks like the bigger hole achieved its goal.
Absolutely agree. I was impressed by their attitude about this.😎👍
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I've loaded Sierra bullets in rifle loads for quite some time. Consistent weight, length and diameter make them very accurate. The Gameking is my favorite in .243 Winchester for hunting, ( just can't find it), 308 Winchester, 175 SMK for target, 150 or 165 grain Soft point hunting, 135 tipped Gameking out to around 400 yard in my 6.5 creed past that 140 grain or 147 in another brand in 6.5. Pistol bullets I load are usually for practice and FMJ. After this test I will be working up a load for this bullet in .45 to try if available. Sierra has always impressed me with their rifle projectiles. Lots of manufacturers have up to 5 grain difference and in 6.5 just a month or 2 ago, 10 thousandths difference between lot numbers in length. Now I understand lots will say that is nothing. If shooting for accuracy 10 thousandth in length, even the diameter was off instead of .264 were .259. Weight was off by quite a bit also. I contacted Hornady and they stated that was within their standards and would never be noticed?! No offer to reimburse or send another lot number. Like the guy in that department said, that lot passed on our inspection within our standards. Really?! Anyone loading and shooting for any kind of accuracy should know that is bull. I have a copy of the E-mail. So I say, Thank you to Tools and Thank you to Sierra for addressing a failure like that and not blowing smoke up the customers......butt.
Thanks Tools sorry so long but I really wanted Sierra and you to know how Hornady treated a customer with a failure.
Thanks for your time brother and effort.
Keep'em coming!
@@kentuckywindage222 Appreciate that, brother! They definitely handled this perfectly.😎👍
Are all of y’all shills for Sierra?
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Myself, just a consumer and I've been shooting and loading a while. For my 308 bang for the buck is hard to beat on 175gr SMK. It shoots very well out to 1200 yards which counts good in my book. Gameking is an excellent hunting round which I use in 243 . It shoots itty bitty groups also. What can I say, 6.5 creed shoots the 130 Gamechanger in itty bitty holes. I have other bullets I use but Sierra is on for weight and length pretty much everytime and for distance that counts. Target shooting long range especially.
Nice to see a company that actually cares about their products and working with customers.
Absolutely
@@waynv1835 Yeah, unfortunately everything for sale right now is the original design from my understanding. I don't believe any of this improved design is out in the public as of now.
@Tools&Targets so that's why it was so cheap. Guess they will just have to be range ammo. But couldn't pass up the price.
After seeing how well Sierra handled this situation and I am now an avid Sierra fan and will definitely buy more of their products. Way to handle business Sierra.
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they got it on sale at palmetto state right now... 200 rds for under $100, but then an additional $50 mail in rebate... makes these about 24-26 cents/round after shipping n tax
@@RichardCranium321 I believe it's the first batch of poor performers, I assume they are trying to dump the old stuff, which at that price, I already bought some. Have not received my rebate yet and it's been about 2 months.
@@bobd2779 I was wondering about the rebate. Still haven't received it?
@ty law actually last week or so I did receive my 50 dollar rebate
This speaks very, very highly of Sierra as a company. I am pleased with their consideration of the product failing. The initiative to reach out to you/us is impressive and encouraging. The correction being effective is outstanding. Fixing a problem is admirable & appreciated. Thank you Sir & Thank you Sierra. Scores high points in my book.
Absolutely agree. I will definitely be looking for more of their stuff locally.
When a company takes the time to reach out to you, rather than go with the ‘status quo’, they’ve got my business! Especially after improving their product and giving you the opportunity to prove their improvement! That is awesome! Kudos to Sierra Ammo!!👍🏻
Thank you for sharing!!
Stay safe!!🇺🇸👍🏻
Absolutely agree.😎👍
@@ToolsandTargets The hollow point cavity of the 380 version of these bullets has a pretty deep hole. So I'm hoping that they will perform well in my S&W Bodyguard.
Boy, it sure is nice knowing that a company listens to its customers and makes changes. Sierra definitely made a BIG improvement to these rounds. The ammo is impressive, but the REAL impressive part is Sierra contacting YOU, and not the other way around. People (and companies are just groups of people) can make mistakes. It's how you deal with your mistakes that defines your character. Sierra has character. I will definitely buy from them again. (But only after looking for the deep hole in the boolit!) Keep 'em comin', Tools!
Absolutely agree. I was impressed by their attitude.
Congratulations Sierra! Thanks Tools. Good to see a company being responsible.
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I will give Sierra props for pulling thru and fixing their mistake.
It was super funny seeing you unable to do your job hitting the dog gone jelly block lol. It did give us an opportunity to see the consistency of the rounds tho.
Appreciate the testing here tools.
😂Thank you sir.
Sig Sauer take note. Sierra corrected a mistake. Sig on the other hand......That's how you keep customers. Great video Tools! Thank you sir.
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Good on Sierra for being so tuned in! And thanks for running extra rounds!
Hats off for sierra and its willingness to correct the poor performance of the rounds you tested a few months ago, actions like this talks really good about any company. Good video as always sir!
Agreed. Thank you sir.
We specifically did not buy Sierra because of the past tests. Due to their concern and improvement they are at the top of the list to buy. Nice job Sir.
😎👍 Appreciate that.
This change Sierra made to the ammo they sent for you to re-test worked phenomenally better than the originals! Did they tell you if they were recalling the poorly performing ammo - or if they were hoping to phase it out? Again, thanks Tools for all you do to keep us educated!! Stay safe and well-prepared, my friend!!
Good question - I've got a bunch I'd love to return
I wondered why it’s been 50% every time I go to the store. It is back to full price so I hope the new stock is this stuff.
They are definitely phasing it out with the new stuff. The letter said it could be towards the end of the year before some people would see the new stuff though. I'm gonna email em and see if there is a way to tell from the box markings which rounds they are.
Too bad Sierra didn’t have the resources to shoot a few of the original batch into gelatin.
I’m afraid to order any yet lol. I want the new stuff.
Very nice test and results Tools. Sierra did listen and made the changes they needed to. Kudos to Sierra for stepping up and fixing the problem. This test sure proves you don't need Mach 10 speed to get the job done. Nice expansion with excellent penetration.
Be vigilant, be safe
Impressive! (the ammo too).
Definitely glad to see em do well.😎👍
I bought this stuff in both 40 and 45. Tested both in 3", 4", and 5" barrels. Once completed, I decided to put the ammo in my carry firearms. The most impressive was the 45 ACP in the short barrel 3". The results were amazing.
Yeah me too... I get jacket separation through 4 layers of denim. But it completely penetrated 4 layers, two water jugs , and lodged in the 2nd layer of my fleece backstop.
Even with the jacket separation, that's good penetration for a projectile that expanded to over 3/4 of an inch... This is with a full size m&p. So I bet with the lower velocity of a short barrel, they would be perfect. Probably would hold their jacket, and penetrate even deeper. Although I suspect the expansion wouldn't be as extreme with the short barrel
How did the 40 do?
Nice. I tested the .45acp as well and had good results from it.😎👍
@@thealarmclock9307 Really good. I compared them to Underwood, & Speer a gold Dot. I was pleasantly shocked, to the point of making these my preferred carry rounds.
@@ToolsandTargets To be honest, you were my influence to try them out, after seeing your video. My curiosity got the best of me, and I went full Paul Harrell. A few racks of ribs, a couple water Melons, and a sliced up football (for skin affect), and they had incredible results. Subtract roughly 2 inches of penetration, and I would almost put them on the level of Ranger T (minus the sharps talon affect seen at the end of the flower) . Considering the price difference, it was an easy decision to make them a carry choice.
The results seen from a 3” barrel were probably most impressive I’ve seen from a HP round vs the limited barrel length.
This company is definitely going to be a force to reckon with in the future.
Tools, another excellent educational video. Global Ordnance has Sierra on sale. Your ‘work’ helps us all!
I'll defintely pick some of the Sierra ammo. Great results and Hat's off to Sierra's Engineering & Sales & service people.
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Good to see a company trying to get stuff better Congrats to Sierra
Very nice job rebounding Sierra! Looks like a legit option now!
Definitely an impressive response.
Siearra are stout bullets. The originals would expand but needed to be hauling ass. Happy they made them more short barrel friendly.
Absolutely fantastic !!! Great penetration and great expansion. Can’t ask for any better.
Congratulations to Sierra for listening and improving their product.
Thank You for another great video Tools
😎👍 Appreciate ya, brother!
That shows you Sierra is a company of high integrity, I will definitely purchase some of this ammo, most other companies wouldn't even care.
Great to see so many channels and now companies using your content
Pretty cool. Appreciate the support, brother!
Thanks for the update. Sierra's 9mm 124gr HP is priced at $24.99 for 20 rounds out here in CA, but it is often on sale at Turner's for $12.49. Even at that price point I didn't buy these because of the version 1.0 Gel Test done by Tools&Target. Sierra really should change their packaging to identify which rounds are the old version vs the new one. If I can't diffentiate between the two, this will be on the top of the list of brands to stay away from.
Yeah, a packaging change would have been nice. I suspect that's why they're on sale pretty much everywhere right now and have a rebate available. Trying to clear out all the older stock.
I completely agree. I'm in Cali looking at them right now online for $15. I can't tell the difference so I will pass until I am confident they sold all of their 1.0s
@@jeremym4942just brought 3 boxes for $7.99! A box!
@@jeremym4942i just bought some fro Turner. How do i know if have the new one? Ty.
They sure did redeem themselves very impressed I hope to see more from Sierra Masters and other calibers another great video Tools. Stay safe and God bless
Thank you sir.😎👊
I gotta say my brother that you follow up better and faster than any other youtube channel.
Thank you !
Appreciate that.😎👊
Excellent company 👌 these guys are the real deal.
Agreed
They look like Full Metal Jacket Performance. Maybe switch the mix in the lead core to the same core material used in the 22 and 6mm Lead tip blitz. Also, with the 115's going slower than the 124's, looks like they set up the loading machine with the same powder charge for both bullets, nose configuration being the same, just changed the bullet weight being seated with no machine adjustments. 115's should be in the relm of 1150 fps, non plus P.
Tools and Targets, you are doing a great job, thank you so much!
Sierra is trying to up their game, got to give them credit for that.
Appreciate that.😎👊
good test tools happy to see sierra paying attention I will buy some.
Thank you sir.😎👍
Thanks!
Thank you sir. really appreciate that!
Great jelly Test Tools happy to see Sierra get it right will pick up some when I see them Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸
Thank you sir. Hope you have a great weekend!
Hi, I was wondering if you could do a new test on the 124gr Sierra match hollow point projectile that is on, in a Ammo Inc box. I don't think you have done any of these through the cloth barrier. I see these on sale at sportsman warehouse but no one has tested these specific bullets. Love your channel
Great video as always brother. Good job on Sierra's part for fixing the problem 👏 . I love a company that will own up to a problem and fix it.
Appreciate that. Definitely agree.
Brian, Sierra knew *exactly* what they were doing when they reached out to you and sent you the new ammo. You may be a good ol' boy and as blunt as a spoon, but you're honest, you know what you're doing, and your testing is so professional and so thorough that a good product will get a fair shake. You do us all a great service, consumers and manufacturers alike. It would be a smart move by any manufacturer to send you stuff for product testing.
I had watched the previous videos you've done on the Sierra ammo. After seeing the first one, I basically gave the Sierra 9mm I saw on the shelves in my local Academy a pass. Then when I saw your ammo hunt update on the Sierra, I thought, "Okay, keep an eye out for the next Sierra test." Now I'll be very open to picking up any deals on Sierra 9mm in the future. Thanks, man!
Thank you sir. Really appreciate that. Enjoy your Sunday!😎👊
Sierra really stepped it up
Yes indeed.
An outdoors defensive load should be geared toward frontal shots on cougars and bears. So Sierra's original design maybe a better load for the outdoors. I would want maximum energy for caliber and deep penetration
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I always thought the sports master ammo was better than the outdoor master ammo based purely on my subjective opinion on how the projectiles looked. Maybe if you can get some of that we can compare the two.
Glad to hear that Sierra made it right in the end.
I could be mistaken because it's a little confusing looking at the lineup, but I think the Outdoor Master and Sports Master use the same bullet. I remember doing some checking on it when I first tested these.
These remind me of XTP's from Hornady.
Also, Sierra makes the V-Crown for SIG
The XTP is exactly what I thought of from the expanded round.
Sierra has always been a stand up company, this just proves it all the more. I appreciate the testing brother!
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I'm waiting a few months for the old stuff to be bought up by people who don't watch test videos. Then, in a few months, I'm hoping you buy some from a store and see if the store bought stuff is good. I wish they modified the boxes to indicate that it was recent production.
I'll definitely keep a watch for it here locally. I'm gonna email em Monday and see if there will be a way to tall from any numbers on the box.
@@ToolsandTargets Did they ever get back to you on this?
Nice, glad Sierra saw to your video !!! Thanks for the test !!
Pretty good stuff this time around.😎👍
Well, first off, I'm glad that you had an opportunity to test the new and improved 9mm stuff. Pretty good for a little bullet.
'Course I only use 45ACP since I'm an old timer, and set in my ways.😁
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Very nice to see a manufacturer making positive changes to their ammo. Now if we can just get 10mm up to where it needs to be from just about every manufacturer.
Great results, to bad sig could not take the time to treat you right. Sierra just went to the top of my list to buy.
Absolutely
Glad to see them put out someting worthy of their name.
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Kudos to the Sierra employees to step up their game. Huge difference than the first time, very nice. Great testing there bud. Wonder when the new loads will hit the shelves? Looks like you got plenty of plinking ammo to have fun with lol 😆. I want to try the new ones in 9mm on some plastic bottles and cans to see what they do. Well done again my friend. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Thank you sir. Sounds like it may be towards the end of the year before it cycles onto some shelves. I'm gonan try to get some more info.😎👍
@@ToolsandTargets That’s great. Thank my friend!
Thank you very much Sierra 😊
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Big incentive to buy their ammo because of the improvements & because their customer service listened unlike Sigs dept. Usually the prices aren't bad at all. Very close but for me I would pick the 124gr because it's actually faster. Very good filming sir. Appreciate you. 🇺🇸 👍 👍
Thank you sir. I'll definitely be looking for some more of their stuff to try out.😎👍
@@ToolsandTargets Academy has it. What is difference between the Outdoor & the Sport besides $1 per box? Or is it the same? Took some checking because they don't have enough info. The Sport is a 2 piece elastic. & brass base casing - but reloadable ? - & the Outdoor is a brass casing. Interesting.
@@billdye3530 I remember trying to get info on this when I first tested these, and I'm pretty sure I came to the conclusion that they use the same bullets.
It's great to hear that they actually listen to their customers and now make a better product. If you hadn't posted your results I would still have the original bullets in my EDC that obviously don't perform. I'll try out the 2nd gen rounds since they fixed the problem.
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Is there any way to tell the difference just by looking at the box between the first batch and the second batch
I need to find that out. I'm gonna email em Monday and will post a pinned comment if I find out.👍
Good times!!!!
Congratulations on being recognized in the ballistics world!!!
Appreciate that!😎👊
Question is will these round be in the store or they sent you rounds they specifically “modified”.
The letter I got said they would be cycling onto the shelves but could be towards the end of the year before you start seeing them. I'm gonna try to email em this coming week and see if there is any way to tell the difference without looking at the rounds.
Ty for the data i am looking at getting some of these now on sale but wanted to make sure that they were gtg. Watched both videos on these and they seem real good now that they tweaked the design a little.
Looks REALLY good. Seems suspect. Love the videos man.
Thank you sir.😎👍
Out of the outhouse an into the range, carry rotation ! Nice they contacted you And fixed issue , impressive !
Good thing they sent you a generous amount, lol
I can't believe that one that went into the same hole. Even the wound cavity was identical.😂
Impressive. I'm surprised the 124's penetrated so well too.
Yeah, I like these 124's.
Very impressed with the modifications to the bullet’s
Problem is they won't pull old loads off shelf and without a lot number you're screwed good on ya nice test
I'm gonna email em Monday and see if there is a way to tell from the box markings. I'll pin a comment here if so.😎👍
I wish Tools pinned this with a lot # in his reply…
@@s00-x2h I'm gonna see what I can find out Monday and post some info.😎👍
@@ToolsandTargets Hi Tools! Any chance you were able to follow up with this?
This is the first I've known Sierra made ammo. Kudos to Sierra for getting after it. The 115g extreme spread was questionable but they performed well, I'm just a stickler for consistent speeds and feel that's all bullet tension. Good Stuff T&T Thanks!
Thank you sir.😎👍
Did they send you influencer rounds? LoL...
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A few years ago, I read a report that stated that companies who rectified errors with honesty and good grace, were better regarded, than companies who had made no errors! I reckon it’s the same with people too.
Sounds about right.👍
Just seeing this video, but as a Missouri resident I will say I love using an in-state ammo supplier. Sierra and Starline brass are both down the street from each other and I use both of them. Actually have a contact with Sierra and have gotten quite a few "factory seconds" that I could not tell apart from perfect off the shelf bullets. Best of all they were free. Love the test and keep up the good work.
Appreciate you checking it out!😎👍
Great video. I snagged several of these a few months ago for super cheap. I'll probably range dump them and maybe try them again soon.
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Glad to see these ammo manufacturers are watching your videos , I bought the Sierra 185 grain 45 ACP ammo based on a Tools&Targets video, happy sierra fixed the 9mm ammo which I will now buy after watching this video, thank you for making these videos,
Appreciate the support, brother!
Checked mine. Thank goodness I have the newer stuff. Great videos!
now that's more like it !!! i gotta give it to sierra they did a great job upgrading these bullets..i've been seeing them here and there and i was passing them by cause of the tests you shown..i'm going to be rethinking on that one..once again..Kotos to sierra for stepping up and contacting you and then taking care for the problem....Tools..thanks for a very nice jelly test and follow up..i like these a whole lot better than the first ones for sure...
Thank you sir. Very impressed with their response to this.
Night and day difference. Gotta give Sierra credit for listening. Great job Tools! 🇺🇸
Absolutely! Thank you sir.
I'd like to see a little less depth, but I'm glad they took a look at the ammo and fixed it. Now to see it tested with clothing.
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Sierra is in the penthouse for sure now 🏢 I've always seen this brand but wasn't sure,Oh Im sure now 👍
Problem is, apparently these "improved" versions aren't in the wild and they have no timeframe if or when they will be.
Kudos to Sierra cartridges for "listening" to their consumer base ie you Mr Tools &Targets. Great demonstration as always...
Thank you sir.😎👊
I've followed you on these Sierra bullets/loads for several video. I was so curious because Underwood load these rounds and they're very popular. They do advertise the bullet disign as being a compromise between rapid expansion and penetration.
I picked some up in .45acp and the hollow point is deep. I like that they worked to correct the problem and made a real effort to get more to you to test. I plan to pick up a couple more boxes. Thank you and keep doing the quality testing.
Their .45acp is good stuff.😎👍
I found this stuff for I belive just $8 a box when it first came out. So I thought worst case use it for cycle testing. It did cycle in everythig I have 100% no problem. It would even cycle a very tight double stack 1911.
I got great results from a 5 inch 1911. It would expand and go deep. A little too deep. I figured it was for more like something for bigger tougher critters like bear, moose, or something like that. I still keep a mag of it in the truck and use it when we go camping.
It is refreshing to see a company who responds to user feedback like this. (Take a hint Sig) I like your what you see is what you get way of doing things. Keep up the good work and thanks for the great content as always.
Appreciate that brother. I'm very impressed by their response to this.
that's the expatiations that I got for several years ago.and never any problems with any Sierra pistol/revolver calibers I loaded and the jacketed holo cavity bullets are devistating on deer vitals,it thank a little edge over my xtp bullets even though the hollow cavity fragments more with equal damage.but since this mess the last 31/2-4 years finding serria iny area is rare, internet forget it.whait little I did find was jacked up so high I refused to pay it when my stock of xtp bullets are equal to. I greatly appreciate and enjoyed the video.papa wishing you well
Thank you sir. I need to do some looking around and see what else I can find from em.
Nice to see a company that responds to customer feedback
Definitely
Agree with the comments related to the consideration of feedback; great to see. Stopped at Bass Pro today and unfortunately they still have the older stuff on shelves…..
Probably lookin at towards the end of the year before the new stuff cycles onto the shelves.😆
Good on Sierra for stepping up their product. Much respect.
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Looks like they got it right on this new batch. Props to them for fixing it. Thanks for the test.
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Great second chance video! Kudos to Sierra for listening and fixing the problem. Awesome!
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I'm impressed now. When I go back in the store, I'll check and make sure that I'm picking up the new stuff. Thanks, have a good one!
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Nice, gonna get me a couple more boxes, another great test for the books 😊.
Been on the fence about this ammo for a bit, but after this review I will definitely be buying some. Thank you sir for another great and informative video
Appreciate you!
Sir Tools, I think you need to repeat this with the heavy clothing barrier. I love that you added the heavy clothing barrier many months ago.
Awesome job Sierra! Glad they listened and made improvements. Thanks for the testing Tools!
Thank you sir.😎👍
Thank you! I've purchased a bunch of these since they have been priced aggressively. Going to be testing these on my defensive weapons. If they run, will be doing more stock piling.
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That's awesome they listened and made some awesome improvements. I already bought some and will be buying more
Definitely good on em to improve their stuff.
Here we are at 8/16 2023 and they are STILL Clearing out the old stuff! Sports Master 380s at 9.95 a box still! Geez come on Sierra and Midway its been almost a year! They also have some bulk ,bare Sierra, and Sierra/ Sig V-Crown 9mm - 124 and 125 grain, bullets. The 125's are a longer HP bullet but use the same load data, supposedly. So I may buy 100 of each 124/5's and some 90gr for 380 and try to work up some loads, shoot some tests, but I don't have any high dollar gel, but I do have a new Pro- chrono, I may make some homemade Knox Gel someday. I could at least compare the brands I have against each other, and my reloads with it 😀 I hope they make those new better 9mm/380 hollowpoints someday ! ( It sounds like the end of the year before we will see these.
Sierra is a really good company based in central Missouri (the Show Me State ) I am sure they are trying to make sure their bullets are as well as the can make them. The 3.5" barrel is costing you some velocity for sure but they should still expand. Sierra is known for their extremely accurate high power target and hunting rounds. I bet these expand better. I knew they would fix anything they could. Nice Job Sierra! Their sister company Starline Brass make really good brass as well! Great Testing Tools !
Thank you sir. Nice to see them want to improve things.😎👍
Sierra is one of the best Bullet makers imo. It’s no surprise to me they got it figured out. After trying Hornady, Bergers, Nosler, as well as Sierra I have ended up with my best loads in 308, 6.5 CM, 6cm, and 223 all being with Sierra projectiles.
308= 175 SMK
6.5 CM = 142 SMK
6cm = 107 smk
223= 69 smk as well as 52 smk.
Hornady and Berger has some nice shooting bullets as well, but overall Sierra does it better more often for me.
I'm definitely gonan have to check out more of their stuff now.
Wow, I’m glad I watched the Sierra reviews in the right order. Much better this time. 👌
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Sierra has definitely upped their game. Thanks for the video and have a great weekend.
Thank you sir. You too!
PSA is running a sale on that exact brand. 200 rounds for around 80. My math $0.40 per round Very cheap for any JHP I just got them today. Thought it was a great score. Only checked out your video after I already got them. At first I thought it was the old sub par ammo. That picture you took of both rounds was very helpful. I beleive the ammo I got was the new and improved based on that picture. Feel better about that. Great video. Thanks
Nice. I know with the rebate from Sierra they were less than 25¢ per round. Not sure if that rebate is still going.😎👍
That is awesome they did that, I think I'll pick up a few boxes myself got to support the company's that respect their customers
Agreed. I'm gonna look for some of their rifle stuff to test out.😎👍
Cool to see this matter resolved!!
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They are using a good powder, the rounds i have tested have been stellar, and i have had to shoot some coyotes on the farm and their hollow points have been top notch for quick and clean kills no suffering which is more than i can say for those 50gr 2000fps liberty defense rounds that seem to impress in gel. The civil defense 50gr bullets explode on live targets and do alot of shallow damage, but that coyote ran a long way before dying and i don't like that to happen. The sierra 115gr hollow points even before these new rounds performed perfect on a live target but it may be because of the camp carbine much longer barrel giving higher velocities. I did test them in gel from the camp 9 but they still didn't quite expand and in a coyote they worked perfectly.
These were extremely overpriced and underwhelming before they made these changes even out of as long as an 8 inch barrel. Even a 115 fmj would pretty effectively drop a coyote unless you're a horrible shot.
At the end of the day, 99.9% of the ammo out there will do the job and this 9mm Sierra is definitely improved from the original design, but it's still not even close to the hollow point performance of many other rounds.
Great review ! will be picking up some Sierra for sure !
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Good glad they made the changes they look like they can be good rounds
Good to see a company try to make their stuff better.😎👍
Have reloaded sierra for hunting rifles for years w good effect. Glad their goals for high quality ammo as well as reloading bullets are still high! Nice video!
Ordered 9mm and 45 acp, given current rebates
Thank you sir. Hard to pass up with the deals right now.