@@steelionx9255 she could relate with people who already agree, or debate with people who feel differently and try. you know, discuss things in a comment section.
One of the best movies of the 90s...along with Goodfellas (barely 90s, though), Ed Wood (Burton's and Depp's best by far), Silence of the Lambs, Shawshank, Braveheart, Breakdown (VERY underrated), Tombstone and Gladiator ended the 90s nicely :)
I totally agree with their praise for Glengarry Glen Ross, but they definitely under-appreciated the timeless beauty of Last of the Mohicans....It is an extraordinary masterpiece.
I agree that Mohicans is a vastly underrated film. I believe it deserved a nomination as best picture of 1992. I like it so much more than Dances With Wolves.
One of my absolute favourite films ever. Michael Mann is one of America's great directors. I watched that film when I was eleven and for a long time it was my favourite film ever...until I saw Heat.
Wow. I have not seen that intro sequence in probably 25 years... immediately brought back to 7 y/o me sitting on the living room floor with my parents.
Last if the Mohicans is great, but Glengarry Glen Ross is the best of these by a long way. I can always watch that movie for the acting performances and Baldwin’s speech.
What's weird is that I can see why somebody would consider it an "all time fave," but I don't get it. It's pretty goddamn corny and 'meh?' in my book. I get what you're saying, though.
To me the final ten minutes are pretty much the most powerfull movie experience I have seen to date. Such great performances without a word being said.
Daniel Day Lewis is just on a whole other level of acting ability. Look at "Gangs of New York." Daniel really ends up, unintentionally, embarrassing DiCaprio and Diaz. They're performances were pretty good, but ended up looking silly, compared to "Bill, the Butcher." ...... "And that, my friends, is the 'minority vote.'"
He is a tremendous actor, though I feel that it where the others who stole the show in the last ten minutes, but this is good. He was not the focus there. Russel Means, Wes Studi, Jodhi May and Eric Schweig gave us such powerfull silent performances there. Madeleine Stowe's cry when her sister dies is also heartwrenching.
Willem Verheij The girl that plays the sister has such a telling look on her face. When her last drop of hope and will to live drops away, she stares at Wes Studi and it's just perfect. Then she jumps, Stowe screams, etc. It's cut together so well, and the build-up felt so worth it for that pay off.
last of the mohicans is a rather amazing film and with a much younger daniel day lewis the score in this film is rather beautiful the piece of the score that i seem to enjoy called "the gael" sounds like this film's take on the score from far and away, which both films have a very pretty flute instrumental up against other instruments
" The Last Of The Mohicans" was a wonderful film ! I LOVED IT !! All through this story, I was totally involved, & in love with Madeleine Stowe!! -------Wolfsky9
I can't believe they don't like the love story in Last of the Mohicans! To me it's not cliched at all -- Mann and the actors make it feel fresh and passionate and believable. And they had fantastic chemistry. It's such a weird thing for both critics to spotlight when they have liked love stories with so much less depth and chemistry in the past. (I still love Gene and Roger, of course.)
It's nice that some people have saved episodes of this show and uploaded them. S&E were tough but (mosty) fair, and I agreed with their criticisms more often than not.
..1992.. ahh feels like yesterday.. basic instinct, white men can't jump, batman returns, alien 3, under siege, candy man, a few good men, reservior dogs, forever young, hoffa, aladdin
you know what was one of the all-time great decisions in all of movie criticism? whoever's idea it was to begin - without fail - every regular episode of _Siskel & Ebert_ with an actual _clip from a movie._ that's genius-level thinking. after the hilariously terrible but endearingly lame intro, you go right into a clip from a brand new movie. you grab the audience's attention, you _don't_ over-inflate the critic(s) doing the talking. really, it's a brilliant strategy, and i think undervalued. it's one of the hallmarks of the show for me, and i only realized it now.
Laws of Gravity - a glimpse at a very early Edie Falco! Nice on-the-point reviews of Glengarry Glen Ross. A movie that got a rather mixed reception at the time, but whose stature has grown tremendously, and deservedly, over the years.
...The love story that centers _The Last of the Mohicans_ is wonderful (it's not ~realistic~ of course, but we're in Big Epic Romance territory; what matters is well-acted chemistry, and these small grace notes that give the romance an emotional authenticity). I'll take TLotM over Titanic any day. And I absolutely agree with Siskel that the native characters in TLotM have a much more flesh-and-blood quality to them than in _Dances with Wolves_
Plus the romance in the movie gave us one of the most epic scenes in movie history. When Daniel Day Lewis saves Madeline stow and then the confrontation with magua all with "the kiss" playing in the background .
i love watching these old siskel and eberts and finding a long forgotten movie that looks interesting, like laws of gravity. also, wow young edie falco
David Paymer was very good in Mr. Saturday Night. Plus Gene Siskel did predict Paymer was going to be nominated for a Best supporting actor nomination.
Michael Mann's films benefit from repeat viewings. Their tepid double thumbs up for Last of the Mohicans reveal a superficial understanding of the movie. We can all be prisoners of the moment, and hindsight sure helps, but sometimes you can tell they only watched the film once and didn't really give it the consideration it deserved. Mann staged the action sequences far better than they give credit for, and the brilliant score isn't mentioned. I love these guys, but they missed the mark sometimes, they were under deadline and had to crank this stuff out.
Ebert acknowledges this in his online review article, and even references the Mark Twain essay (a real comedy gem) making fun of the snapping twig trope invented by Cooper.
Yes, Ebert is right that these are desperately poor guys trying to eke out a living, but what they are selling is crap. They know they are selling crap, and even talk about how bad it is to each other. And it's very expensive crap, that will cost a life's saving, and return absolutely nothing on the investment. So while the poor salesmen make a commission, the buyers lose their future. Roger Ebert seems to have been unaffected by that part in this film, while Siskel empathized with the victims....
I think Glengarry Glen Ross was under-appreciated when it first came out. Name another movie when every single part in the movie is brilliantly acted and there is no leading actor. (12 Angry Men) Lemon, Pacino, Harris, Spacey, Baldwin, Arkin, Pryce, Altman were ALL deserving of an Oscar for Best SUpporting. But of course Hollywood only gave Pacino the nod, when they were right in the middle of comparing him to God. Baldwin was much more deserving for his "Coffee is for closures" monologue, one of the best in movie history... It's an amazing movie that's every bit as good as 12 Angry Men.
They blew it on the classic LAST OF THE MOHICANS... but, sometimes you have to see a classic several times before you begin to appreciate how much there is to it. There's a 3 part THE MAKING OF THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS on TH-cam, which itself is very good.
You can hear Lemmon drop the f bomb in the clip they use.....AND THEN....Ebert actually says the dialogue is full of so much foul language that it has to be bleeped..... :)
I always get a kick how often Ebert gets small plot points wrong (sometimes so wrong that it would affect his review adversely). In this case he says the Jack Lemmon character in GlenGarry GlenRoss has "his wife" in the hospital -- but it's his daughter, which is rather more poignant. Doesn't really make a big difference this time but, it's hard to understand how you could watch the movie and get this fact wrong.
Agreed. Also, I wish someone would post a compilation of the two of them misprouncing various actors/filmmakers names. I've done near spit-takes from time to time.
That's common of more than a few movie reviewers. When you have to watch three or four movies in a single day (which they don't do _every_ day, only sometimes), it's understandable that you'd get some plot details kinda scrambled in your head. There were a couple of reviews I remember, though (for _Halloween III_ and _Runaway_), where it really seemed like Roger needed to watch the movie again, and to pay attention this time, because he totally misunderstood the villains' motivations.
The scene in Last of the Mohicans they don't like where they are attacked from the woods is actually based in history after the surrender.... too bad they thought it was too familiar.
I have to stand with Ron Wylie (below) because it is a picture I can watch over and over. Each character seems perfectly drawn and portrayed. My favorite scene is with Alec Baldwin who comes in to add insult to injury. Instead of inspiring the dispirited lot of salesmen, he assails them. My second favorite scene is when Pacino goes full throttle after Kevin Spacey (after it is clear that he just killed Pacino's bonus). It's a remarkable film.
Ebert: "Are you familiar with the vampire novels by Anne Rice set in New Orleans?" Siskle: "Basically no...no I am not." I don't know why I found that 3xchange so jarring...as if "Interview with a Vampire" has always been the cultural phenomenon it was about to become just a few years after this was filmed.
Only these two would argue about the level of praise they're giving to a movie they both like.
😂🎯
The soundtrack and cinematography for The Last of the Mohicans is breathtaking.
Saw recently on Netflx and still good today.
I would rather watch TH-cam videos of these two and their wonderful banter than anything on mainstream network TV.
Me too
Just remember, Judi, that that's your own taste. Your own opinion. You may not change anyone's mind.
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@@steelionx9255 she could relate with people who already agree, or debate with people who feel differently and try. you know, discuss things in a comment section.
@@steelionx9255until Judi mentioned I hadn't thought about it so she did change my mind.
So that's +1 for mind changed😮😅😅😅
Siskel and Ebert can’t be replaced. I wish they were still alive.
So do they
They can't be replaced? Good! There will always be worthwhile critics out there.
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Miss these two guys.
I have genital warts
@@pvsweetypie be careful what you wish for
I miss only one of them.
Did you guess "not the fat guy"?
Just saw Glenn Gary again...such a fantastic film with a stellar cast....Jack Lemmon was incredible
that movie is deep, on many levels
glengarry glen ross was so good it made my skin crawl.
Last of the Mohicans is a masterpiece.
Last of the Mohicans and Glengarry Glen Ross are 2 of my most watched movies...
Glen Garry is one of the best movies of the decade, maybe century. What an incredible cast.
One of the best movies of the 90s...along with Goodfellas (barely 90s, though), Ed Wood (Burton's and Depp's best by far), Silence of the Lambs, Shawshank, Braveheart, Breakdown (VERY underrated), Tombstone and Gladiator ended the 90s nicely :)
@@robertwiegman1 Breakdown is pretty awesome!
I totally agree with their praise for Glengarry Glen Ross, but they definitely under-appreciated the timeless beauty of Last of the Mohicans....It is an extraordinary masterpiece.
I agree that Mohicans is a vastly underrated film. I believe it deserved a nomination as best picture of 1992. I like it so much more than Dances With Wolves.
Last of the Mohicans is an incredibly beautiful masterpiece.
It sucks.
One of my absolute favourite films ever. Michael Mann is one of America's great directors. I watched that film when I was eleven and for a long time it was my favourite film ever...until I saw Heat.
The score is also amazing! One of the best.
Wes Studi was a great villain.
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Glen Gary is awesome! Movie made me laugh and made me be so invested with the characters and story ... such a brilliant fucking film!
Put, that coffee down! Truly great acting, by all. Lemmon was amazing!
One of my favorite movies. The acting is near perfect.
Alec Baldwin only had one scene in Glengarry Glenn Ross, giving one speech, but it's one of the most iconic scenes in movie history.
So good that the Simpsons used it in an episode
And it was written for the movie by Mamet, if I remember correctly
Glengarry Glen Ross is definitely 10 thumbs up!
Wow. I have not seen that intro sequence in probably 25 years... immediately brought back to 7 y/o me sitting on the living room floor with my parents.
Last if the Mohicans is great, but Glengarry Glen Ross is the best of these by a long way. I can always watch that movie for the acting performances and Baldwin’s speech.
Glen Gary is possibly the greatest actors movie ever, just my opinion of course but I can watch it again and again and always see something new
Ron Wylie I was gutted when they took it off Netflix Instant, I used to watch it like twice a week. :(
+Ron Wylie Same here. lol
+Ron Wylie Its a great movie, i was surprised that they gave it a positive review.
It's back on Netflix instant! :D
Perfectly stated comment.
16:44 Holy crap!
Peter Green _and_ Edie Falco together way before they were famous.
The Last of the Mohicans one of my favourites
What's weird is that I can see why somebody would consider it an "all time fave," but I don't get it. It's pretty goddamn corny and 'meh?' in my book. I get what you're saying, though.
To me the final ten minutes are pretty much the most powerfull movie experience I have seen to date. Such great performances without a word being said.
Daniel Day Lewis is just on a whole other level of acting ability. Look at "Gangs of New York." Daniel really ends up, unintentionally, embarrassing DiCaprio and Diaz. They're performances were pretty good, but ended up looking silly, compared to "Bill, the Butcher." ...... "And that, my friends, is the 'minority vote.'"
He is a tremendous actor, though I feel that it where the others who stole the show in the last ten minutes, but this is good. He was not the focus there. Russel Means, Wes Studi, Jodhi May and Eric Schweig gave us such powerfull silent performances there. Madeleine Stowe's cry when her sister dies is also heartwrenching.
Willem Verheij The girl that plays the sister has such a telling look on her face. When her last drop of hope and will to live drops away, she stares at Wes Studi and it's just perfect. Then she jumps, Stowe screams, etc. It's cut together so well, and the build-up felt so worth it for that pay off.
Jack Lemmon and Glenn Gary Ross was a great surprise
Daniel Day-Lewis made 5 movies in 10 years...Oscar-nominated in all of them.
Dan-Lewis was highly selective about his roles. He retired recently and I am glad he did. At some point, you must get off the stage.
My pet lizard usually doesn’t react to music, but this show’s theme song makes him run in circles and roll over
Awww, I would have loved to have watched that!
Glengarry Glen Ross is a super good movie. Great acting all around, with Alec Baldwin's performance being iconic.
last of the mohicans is a rather amazing film
and with a much younger daniel day lewis
the score in this film is rather beautiful
the piece of the score that i seem to enjoy called "the gael" sounds like this film's take on the score from far and away, which both films have a very pretty flute instrumental up against other instruments
The score is a masterpiece. You will not regret getting a copy of the soundtrack.
Love how these two go at it, but still respect each other
It’s so much fun listening to these guys, even if you don’t agree with them.
I watched this as a tween and teen in the 90s and something one wouldn't admit to for their friends would make fun of you.
Mr Saturday night will always be a favorite of mine.
Glengarry Glen Ross is a great film for dialogue. Very smart writing.
" The Last Of The Mohicans" was a wonderful film ! I LOVED IT !! All through this story, I was totally involved, & in love with Madeleine Stowe!! -------Wolfsky9
What makes Last of the Mohicans a truly great film is its score.
I read somewhere that the actors of Glen Garry referred to the film as "Death of a F*****g Salesman".
This episode is a gem of an episode. A glimpse of the early 90s. A glimpse of what could have been.
Damn that was a good year for movies
Last of the Mohicans is a Masterpiece.
I can't believe they don't like the love story in Last of the Mohicans! To me it's not cliched at all -- Mann and the actors make it feel fresh and passionate and believable. And they had fantastic chemistry. It's such a weird thing for both critics to spotlight when they have liked love stories with so much less depth and chemistry in the past. (I still love Gene and Roger, of course.)
It's nice that some people have saved episodes of this show and uploaded them. S&E were tough but (mosty) fair, and I agreed with their criticisms more often than not.
..1992.. ahh feels like yesterday.. basic instinct, white men can't jump, batman returns, alien 3, under siege, candy man, a few good men, reservior dogs, forever young, hoffa, aladdin
james williams yeah, better days. Also back when SJW’s didn’t ruin films by saying “that looks bad on society!”
@@justincrediblefantasy8263 They did complain back then. 90's films were littered with feminists but they weren't the dogs you see in film today.
Ricardo Cantoral well, at least they kept making movies like basic instinct. They even made worse, (more provocative, the secretary)
Justin Credible Last Tango in Paris came out in ‘73 and had a scene where a girl sticks her finger up Brando’s ass! Damn those were the days! 😋😉😃😃😃
Love Glengarry GlenRoss.
Hard to believe that they are both gone now!
Film criticism has never been the same.
Hard to believe my ass! You know full well that humans can't live forever.
12:14 the f-bomb slipped past the censors there
Lol!
I noticed that myself. My jaw fell and broke when it hit the floor.
WOW. I woulda never noticed that!
you know what was one of the all-time great decisions in all of movie criticism?
whoever's idea it was to begin - without fail - every regular episode of _Siskel & Ebert_ with an actual _clip from a movie._
that's genius-level thinking. after the hilariously terrible but endearingly lame intro, you go right into a clip from a brand new movie. you grab the audience's attention, you _don't_ over-inflate the critic(s) doing the talking.
really, it's a brilliant strategy, and i think undervalued. it's one of the hallmarks of the show for me, and i only realized it now.
I don’t think I’ve ever read a more ponderous comment on TH-cam… Talk about talking just to hear yourself talk.
Al Pacino's wig should have received the Oscar
These guys drove me crazy with their reviews
Last of the Mohicans was great
Damn I miss them
"As the film concludes"...Thanks Gene.
Whete every you go there you are
Laws of Gravity - a glimpse at a very early Edie Falco!
Nice on-the-point reviews of Glengarry Glen Ross. A movie that got a rather mixed reception at the time, but whose stature has grown tremendously, and deservedly, over the years.
Al O Every line of every scene in GGGR is delicious and hypnotic.
it`s not for everyone....
...The love story that centers _The Last of the Mohicans_ is wonderful (it's not ~realistic~ of course, but we're in Big Epic Romance territory; what matters is well-acted chemistry, and these small grace notes that give the romance an emotional authenticity). I'll take TLotM over Titanic any day.
And I absolutely agree with Siskel that the native characters in TLotM have a much more flesh-and-blood quality to them than in _Dances with Wolves_
Plus the romance in the movie gave us one of the most epic scenes in movie history. When Daniel Day Lewis saves Madeline stow and then the confrontation with magua all with "the kiss" playing in the background .
Gosh...listen to the music...a big strength
The intro is all about Siskel and Eberts awesomeness.
Coffee's for closers.
A scene worth starting your day to.
Alec Baldwin`s best role.....
i love watching these old siskel and eberts and finding a long forgotten movie that looks interesting, like laws of gravity. also, wow young edie falco
David Paymer was very good in Mr. Saturday Night. Plus Gene Siskel did predict Paymer was going to be nominated for a Best supporting actor nomination.
Siskel & ebert were the best
You're found wanting....coffee is for closers!
laws of gravity is the movie the casting agents of the sopranos fell in love with
Siskel has the strangest reasons for like or disliking movies.
Not one mention of James Fenimore Cooper.
This is an amazing time capsule... I forgot Don Rickles was in Innocent Blood! :D
My dad really enjoyed The Last of the Mohicans.
In Glengarry Glen Ross Levine's Daughter is in the hospital, not his wife.
Michael Mann's films benefit from repeat viewings. Their tepid double thumbs up for Last of the Mohicans reveal a superficial understanding of the movie. We can all be prisoners of the moment, and hindsight sure helps, but sometimes you can tell they only watched the film once and didn't really give it the consideration it deserved. Mann staged the action sequences far better than they give credit for, and the brilliant score isn't mentioned. I love these guys, but they missed the mark sometimes, they were under deadline and had to crank this stuff out.
Thank you
I miss them as well.
Yes Gene and I agree ED HARRIS was the actual best performer in Glengarry Glen Ross
Ha ha, the vampire contacts in Innocent Blood were a little wonky. :-)
I know. I wanted to be scared, but I laughed instead
The Last of the Mohicans was not based on another film; it was based on the historical novel written by James Fenimore Cooper in 1826.
Ebert acknowledges this in his online review article, and even references the Mark Twain essay (a real comedy gem) making fun of the snapping twig trope invented by Cooper.
11:30 for glengarry glen ross.
I really enjoyed Mr Saturday Night when it came out; I wonder how I’d feel about it if I saw it again now.
one of the most lit intros in TV history
Wow they let an f-bomb slip through at 12:14 from Jack Lemmon in Glengarry Glen Ross.
This takes me back to shows that I really didn't like or understand. But they are very nostalgic.
16:44 a very young Edie Falco
Gorgeous and talented. 😍
This just hit me in the wholesome.
Yes, Ebert is right that these are desperately poor guys trying to eke out a living, but what they are selling is crap. They know they are selling crap, and even talk about how bad it is to each other. And it's very expensive crap, that will cost a life's saving, and return absolutely nothing on the investment. So while the poor salesmen make a commission, the buyers lose their future. Roger Ebert seems to have been unaffected by that part in this film, while Siskel empathized with the victims....
I think the villains of the piece are Mitch and Murray. They exploit the salesmen and their clients.
Daniel Day Lewis as a Native American.
His character isn’t. The time period was before the US even formed and hawkeye was white which they tell you in the film
Peter Green is a solid actor. I saw "Laws of Gravity" on HBO back in 1994...good movie.
How in the hell did Mr. Saturday Night get two thumbs up?
It's not bad. As they both said, David Paymer gave a great performance.
I think Glengarry Glen Ross was under-appreciated when it first came out. Name another movie when every single part in the movie is brilliantly acted and there is no leading actor. (12 Angry Men) Lemon, Pacino, Harris, Spacey, Baldwin, Arkin, Pryce, Altman were ALL deserving of an Oscar for Best SUpporting. But of course Hollywood only gave Pacino the nod, when they were right in the middle of comparing him to God. Baldwin was much more deserving for his "Coffee is for closures" monologue, one of the best in movie history... It's an amazing movie that's every bit as good as 12 Angry Men.
I read where the actors use to go and watch each other`s filming..
That was a pretty great week in the life of At the Movies.
how could they neglect to mention Pacino when discussing Glengarry Glen Ross? he was incredible as was Jonathan Pryce who probably outshined everyone.
They blew it on the classic LAST OF THE MOHICANS... but, sometimes you have to see a classic several times before you begin to appreciate how much there is to it. There's a 3 part THE MAKING OF THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS on TH-cam, which itself is very good.
You can hear Lemmon drop the f bomb in the clip they use.....AND THEN....Ebert actually says the dialogue is full of so much foul language that it has to be bleeped..... :)
+greatwareagle Get the chalk. Get the fuckin chalk.
I think it's the first time that Lemmon used the f bomb. Pacino and Harris were old hands at it. Lol
HAHAH "Go out as the SOB you were all along."
Ebert is a movie lover, Siskel is a critic. Open, relatable vs. pompous , self important.
They agree a lot in this episode.
Fun Fact: The Jack Lemmon character is the basis for the loser/salesman, Gil in The Simpsons.
Cool..love old Gil
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Closing
Alec killed it in that opening scene 👍
See this watch...this watch cost more than your car!!!
The leads are weak? The fucking leads are weak? YOU'RE WEAK!!!
I forgot about that musical intro.
Laws of Gravity: full of future Law & Order guest appearances
Carmela!
Jesus Lemmon was excellent in that role. Alda and Pacino too.
I always get a kick how often Ebert gets small plot points wrong (sometimes so wrong that it would affect his review adversely). In this case he says the Jack Lemmon character in GlenGarry GlenRoss has "his wife" in the hospital -- but it's his daughter, which is rather more poignant. Doesn't really make a big difference this time but, it's hard to understand how you could watch the movie and get this fact wrong.
Agreed. Also, I wish someone would post a compilation of the two of them misprouncing various actors/filmmakers names. I've done near spit-takes from time to time.
Frank Converse Straighten you out? I wasn't aware you had erred. But in that case, I'm glad I could help to straighten you out, lol.
That's common of more than a few movie reviewers. When you have to watch three or four movies in a single day (which they don't do _every_ day, only sometimes), it's understandable that you'd get some plot details kinda scrambled in your head. There were a couple of reviews I remember, though (for _Halloween III_ and _Runaway_), where it really seemed like Roger needed to watch the movie again, and to pay attention this time, because he totally misunderstood the villains' motivations.
gspendlove Happy Happy Halloween.....Halloween.......Halloween........Happy Happy Halloween.......Silver Shamrock!
Halloween 3 is a good example...he really missed the point...
American desire to be excellent. The best. So much despised today
Edie Falco!
Both are wrong...Mohicans is a masterpiece of moviemaking!
The scene in Last of the Mohicans they don't like where they are attacked from the woods is actually based in history after the surrender.... too bad they thought it was too familiar.
I thought it was excellent myself. You are really transported back to that type of warfare and that period in American history.
TV used to have variety!?
5:04 ebert voice crack
I have to stand with Ron Wylie (below) because it is a picture I can watch over and over. Each character seems perfectly drawn and portrayed. My favorite scene is with Alec Baldwin who comes in to add insult to injury. Instead of inspiring the dispirited lot of salesmen, he assails them. My second favorite scene is when Pacino goes full throttle after Kevin Spacey (after it is clear that he just killed Pacino's bonus). It's a remarkable film.
My first in the Pacino going nuts lol.
Ebert: "Are you familiar with the vampire novels by Anne Rice set in New Orleans?"
Siskle: "Basically no...no I am not."
I don't know why I found that 3xchange so jarring...as if "Interview with a Vampire" has always been the cultural phenomenon it was about to become just a few years after this was filmed.
I got a feeling many times while watching S&E that Roger was always one or two steps ahead of Gene both culturally and intellectually.