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Douglas is supposed to be an idiot, he’s supposed to be sexist and bigoted….it’s part of his character throughout the entire time he was part of the show. The way April was portrayed was supposed to be equally ridiculous.
You’re taking this way too seriously.
"They should have cut that out". Yes, so the people who actually appreciate comedy genius would never get to see it. Cancel culture right there!
Damn, Americans are getting more and more sensitive, they are like that kid at the kindergarten that has the overprotective mother that sits outside and waits in her car.
Sadly its media programming to put themselves in a box of labels and identity of separation not unity💙💎🕊️
The Iran joke is WAAAAAAAY funnier than the internet joke. These two are just trying to keep the wokes happy
You're entitled to your opinion. But honestly, there is room for comedy in such topics and we can joke about these things without directly mocking the people involved.
honestly, it was hilarious when i first saw it in 2008, and it's still hilarious af, as is the entire show. absolute classic. if you don't find certain things funny, its ok, to each their own. there should not be any boundaries set upon comedy, or we are all fucked. to me, there's a place for laughing at absolutely anyone and every group there is. also, a sitcom is not supposed to be tasked with giving great representation of anything omg, it's supposed to make you laugh and feel good. there's plenty of demeaning white cis female portrayals out there, but somehow i don't ever get offended cos it's not about me, it's the character. laugh at yourself, and no one will ever bring you down.
I don't find it problematic, either. It might be, but it isn't to me. Thing is, telling people what they should or shouldn't find distasteful/offensive isn't our place any more than it's our place to tell people what they should think or feel about anything.
There's this thing that happens when some people who don't get offended like to pat themselves on the back and give themselves credit for not being offended and lecture others about how they shouldn't be offended at comedy.
The problem isn't thinking something is offensive somehow - the problem is expecting something to be closed down, etc, simply on the basis of you finding it offensive. The person mentioned in the letter in the video didn't call for anything to be banned. They accused the bit of being bigoted - admittedly without saying why - but didn't demand that it be 'cancelled'. I don't agree that it's bigoted, but am fine with that person not liking it personally.
I think people misunderstand this episode with the whole transgender thing, isn't the whole joke of Douglass's character being that he's a complete idiot and an immature man-child? That the lesson of this episode besides the internet joke is that his reaction over finding out April is a man shows his immaturity to the extreme and that by the end (credit scene) he misses April and still loves her? Obviously the episode didn't need a physical fight to achieve this lesson, but I think that's playing upon the immaturity off Douglass as a character.
The problem is that as of now... do we know what the joke was? Why not both? It's a funny and well-written enough show. Unfortunately, no matter how funny it is, there is an elephant in the room - Graham Linehan wrote it.
It shouldn't detract from how funny the episode is, but it becomes more difficult for some people to justify when written by a man who destroyed his own career with his Douglas-like "once a man, always a man" beliefs. I still find it hilarious, but I can understand why someone would feel suspicious and uncomfortable.
Be offended, we will continue to take life not too seriously. So sad
I'm going to start this debate: How was it bigoted?
Yeah I don’t know what was bigoted. A bit silly perhaps but the show is a bit silly and funny.
For me i liked the dive into nerd culture. It wasnt in the media so much and it was just nice to get a show to validate me.
Fun fact: america is one of the only places to have insults for smart people.(nerd, geek, poindexter, etc)
Some of these jokes, not just in this episode, seemed kinda old hat. It just didnt land well and some jokes just dont age well.
Bigoted? Nah. Reynholm is a strawman character to begin with so they can explore some of those more raunchy jokes.
Exactly. it's not. People just complain now in an effort to seem woke
It was pretty bigoted towards redheads. Played up all the usual negative stereotypes: redheads are stupid, redheads are easily manipulated, they don't have shadows and can't cross running water, redheads are fearful of the sun and lose most of their powers when exposed to the sun, they can't stand on holy ground and if one drops rice in their path they must stop and count every grain. These hurtful stereotypes need to be put behind us.
@@Mauther Gingervitis is real.
There is a message in here about acceptance if you dig for it.
I mean you don't even really have to look for it do you? it's in the credit scene.
Totally unrealistic premise. Everyone knows the Internet is a series of tubes.
Creator/writer for The IT Crowd, Graham Linehan, played the guy who screamed “We’re all going to die.”
Correct. And the mexican guitar player in Messy Joe's.
You didn't get offended by anything in It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia but get offended by this? Really, if you don't like a show you just need to stop reacting to it.
I’m sure it’s fake offence. They read the comment first and don’t want to upset it woke mob
It was brilliant all the way through, nothing at all upsetting, this is the least offensive show around.
Whilst I understand the comments about this episode being bigoted, for the most part, it's relatively progressive in its portrayal of a transgender woman in 2008. It might be a bit dated in terms of the language that is used and the montage including her standing in the pictures you put your face in (see James Acaster) as the man isn't great. However, for the most part, I see a transgender woman who is portrayed as a real woman and not as a man in a wig as you might have seen in previous sitcoms. Who is trying to be accepted in society and if we're being realistic transgender people weren't as accepted in 2008 as they are today, so she's trying to be herself whilst being clear to Douglas about her identity. The fight scene might also be seen as problematic but is a question no one really has the answer for when it comes to transgender women in sports, Dave Chappelle has made jokes about it because comedy is the only place where it can really be explored. So why is it more problematic when making the same joke in a tv programme as a stand up special? Also, let's be clear that Douglas was never meant to be a likeable character that you route for so his somewhat transphobic attitude isn't really a problem as you're not supposed to like him as a character anyway. As a society, we become more progressive and accepting with each passing day which is great but it doesn't mean we should discard every single piece of media that doesn't meet current standards.
Ironically the only thing we don’t accept is that this was written at a particular time in history where people didn’t know any better.
Cut out so much good stuff; like the interview portion was great. It wasn't bigoted since all the jokes were made against the bigoted view. This is where people don't get satire and understand the target of the jokes.
IASIP has the same joke and you didn't get offended. Weird.
the fight scene was the funniest thing id seen in the series, yeah its fashionable to appear woke, ive not met any transgender ppl that would be offended by this portrayal, (perhaps its a generational disconnect).
i will add the pure hatred for the character Douglas on your faces every time hes on screen kinda gives away a preconceived bias. he is ofc meant to be facetious and despicable, pretty sure thats a regional disconnect with comedy. id suggest watching Black Books or Black Adder, (both classics), but they center around "meanies" too.
I rather liked the April character, I thought she was kind of sweet. And I didn't mind that she was from Iran, or whatever the heck she was talking about!
It just shows how confused this couple is about the reaction they should give. And I saw some smiles cracking in the boss/April scenes. They don't want to lose any of their woke audience.
@@TheSimCaptain I do not agree with these reactors' reaction to this show, but everyone should be woke, especially those not yet so.
@@MrTrevisco its such a stupid and arrogant thing for people to suggest the only reason people are woke is that its "fashionable". It just shows the only reason they aren't openly racist, sexist, homophobic etc in public is entirely because they are vaguely worried about people's reactions and hate "them" for it.
also @Jeminal - that's not bias, its literally a reaction. its definitely a regional disconnect, I think if this came out today I'd definitely say they could do better but given the time it came out and the archetype of Douglas it's not terrible in context, just sometimes hard to watch. For americans that's true of plenty of British Cringe Comedy tho.
@@MrTrevisco Yah mein Furher!
I hate when people call this episode bigoted because I would dare those people to show one way in which being trans is represented in a negative light. There is none. The show represents Douglas as the intolerant, unaccepting arsehole who gives up his dream woman because of a silly petty thing such as she used to be a man. Douglas is the only person to come out of this episode negatively. April even gets her own back by publishing a smear article about him and the final scene shows him crying because he knows what he has given up, and he misses her. He is in a worse place because of his own actions. No one to blame but himself. So tell me again how the episode is bigoted?
@gerard dearie Wait a minute, didn't she/he throw the first punch?
@@TheSimCaptain just SHE sweetie
"The show represents Douglas as the intolerant, unaccepting arsehole who gives up his dream woman because of a silly petty thing such as she used to be a man."
Yeah because every guy out there would fucking love to hear that their girlfriend used to be a man....Fuck off....
We all saw you smiling and not trying to laugh at the "questionable parts". Don't worry the world is changing its opinion on this topic. Soon it wiil be safe to laugh. 😂
I'm British and find all the sexual innuendo's hilarious. The Americans getting all squirmy lol
I see nothing inappropriate but I'm not a thin skinned person.
It's mostly about April's presentation. She behaves in stereotypically male ways.
What in the fuck could that possibly mean? It's not attacking you and its appropriateness would have nothing to do with your "skin", just your social awareness.
@@LordJuzzie Which was a joke. It wasn't supposed to be taken seriously or as an example of how to behave. It doesn't seek to fully realistically represent reality.
@@lystic9392 If you come from a marginalised group, who when they are represented in media are almost always represented negativly, its understandable when you see something like this to think. "Here we go again some else out to make us look bad." Espcially considering the writer's recent hostility to Trans Charities.
@@LordJuzzie And Jen behaves in usually portrayed womens stereotypical ways of not understanding the internet and that only the boys can be nerds who understand it! it's all comedic satire in the end. Not all rich bosses are stereotypical leeches and dumb relying on being spoon feed information, not all nerdy guys work in IT and have social awkwardness. you could go on all day about stereotypical stuff.
USA forgot the meaning of the word comedy.... It is really sad.
Yeah I mean they made money, which is literally the only meaning of comedy. That they tried to tell jokes and make money.
From day 1, Douglas has been portrayed as the most annoying, most unlikeable sexual predator. No mention of how many people the german cannibal could have eaten in a previous season. Both these subjects were probably better done (funnier) in League of Gentlemen, with the butchers and barbara.
I always found the bit with April being a man funnier than the 'internet' scene anyway so stuff that in your pipe and smoke it.
I don't get what is supposed to be so offensive about the episode.
Douglas (who plays someone who is supposed to be generally offensive), falls for April who he doesn't realise used to be a man. Note that April is the more mature of the pair.
When he finds out April used to be a man he acts immaturely and ends the relationship.
But at the end of the episode he misses April.
So the episode seems to if anything be sympathetic to the trans character.
Feel for the guy here, he must be laughing so hard inside and is oppressed externally.
Your to sensitive
"You're too sensitive"
@@ctcentralinfo Thank you for helping him out. Although, he isn't wrong.
Which show is next? The Young Offenders? The Inbetweeners? Derry Girls? Miranda?
Love Miranda
Ooohhhh Miranda is my fave!!!
It's funny how so many Americans don't laugh at the dirty bits.
Loved the episode, disliked the review at the end. Being woke is the new fascism.
So someone giving their views on an episode of TV is now fascism.
@@LordJuzzie yeah. Don’t you remember the facists supporting transsexuals?
Actually, fascism is the new fascism. Educate yourself.
I still find this episode hilarious, but comparing "wokeism" to fascism is dumb af. It's like comparing mask mandates to the Holocaust.
Allowing fascists to live has always been the new fascism. Tolerance of intolerance is the only consistent factor in the collapse of democracies to any form of authoritarianism. I don't regard the episode as uniquely bad, but I definitely regard these comments that way. Shows your true colors.
Why skip and whole fight??
Douglas really missed April in the end though...
Geeesh ..don't mention the best scene in the entire episode because its offensive?.. .. wokey lightweights
You are a comedy free area. If it’s too salty for you don’t watch any of it it’s not for you….. I don’t agree with censorship so just don’t bother in future.
This episode didn't show trans in a negative light. It showed up the bigots in a negative light. April deserved better and she rightly kicked Douglas' ass. The cherry on the top was when Douglas realised he'd dumped the only person he felt emotionally close to because he's an idiot. Something about these shows is that there's a payoff for everything you see on screen. Something American shows don't always do. Moss and Roy got their payoff when the entire room fell for their prank; something that was the opposite of what they expected, but was 1000 times better. Douglas is a womaniser. He finally found the woman of his dreams. His stupidity caused him to lose that woman, and the pay off is him sitting alone in bed crying over her.
Struggling to find a reaction here... 😁
Boo, this episode through and through was great.
On first viewing I don't think the trans issues presented in the episode are all that bigoted... but as you look more at the episode with the knowledge that trans people found it offensive then some of the issues start to come to the fore... I think the whole premise that Douglas struggles with the idea of his girlfriend being trasngender is probably relatable to a lot of men... However there are aspects of the episode that play upon April still having very stereotypically masculine qualities, and her genuine anguish at not being seen as a woman is played as melodramamatic comedy and with a laughter track over it. Likewise Douglas regrets breaking up with April - but this too is played for laughs. The fact that April and Douglas end up in a fist fight where they are evenly matched physically is there to hammer home that despite having undergone reassignment April is still in the eyes of the show and its writer, a man. And given Graham Linehan's subsequent comments about trans people, paints this episode in a very poor light.
Channel 4 here in the UK took the decision to remove the episode from its streaming service which given that they are perhaps the UK's Wokest TV studio is unsurprising.
I always thought Oman would've bin a better country to use for the joke
The look on your faces trying to show how unfunny you find the April storyline because some snowflakes conditoned you to be triggered is the only fun part of your reaction.
Stop choosing to be offended by things.
The legacy of the show would be so much better if they'd not taken this episode down a pointless and problematic path. I'm glad you enjoyed the other storyline, which is one of the funniest of the show for me. The comments are full of people angry that you didn't love something that wasn't acceptable (by 2008 standards, never mind 2023) but thanks for giving us your honest reactions instead of just pretending to love everything, and thanks for seeing the good and the bad and drawing attention to both.
I think there’s a place for bigoted and generally unethical characters like Douglas on TV, provided they are handled correctly, and their immoral actions are portrayed in a negative light.
The Douglas plot wasn’t handled well,
from either a comic or ethical perspective:
the jokes were mostly lazy stereotypes, and they used the bigotry of Douglas itself to be funny. Then again it’s not completely bad because it does display Douglas as being in the wrong to some degree, it could just make it more clear how serious the issue is.
Ok the other hand, The internet prank is LEGENDARY 😂
Could not disagree more. The Douglas plot was hilarious and people need to stop being so pathetic and offended by the silliest things
@@ianhepburn4250 and people like you could allow people to care about stuff without being triggered like a fascist baby.
You totally missed the point of the Douglas sections if you think there was an ethical problem, Douglas was shown to be a totally selfish man at first but at the end he missed her.
"The Douglas plot wasn’t handled well,
from either a comic or ethical perspective"
Yes it was. Some of the best comedy ever!
@@Souledex Ratio
I don't care about any scene with Douglas. The main plot with Jen's speech stole the show and overshadows him in this episode. He was inappropriate, awkward, and not at all funny, as always.
Moss, Roy, and Jen were as good as ever, probably better.
He was very funny.....
I absolutely hate Douglas. I find him completely unfunny and every scene he is in is worse for it.
The creator of the show is well know for his anti-trans views online which eventually got him banned from Twitter.
You aren't meant to like him!
Graham is the best
And there's the problem, the media is so shit scared of offending any minority that they are ignoring any opinion that goes against them. This is a very dangerous threat to freedom of speech and thought. We are on the path to 1984.
I find him very funny. He is so over the top that he becomes hilarious.
The Lgbtq 🏳️🌈 liked this video 😐
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@@SpenceJS87 They got offended by a trans joke, so i bet lgbtq community liked that 😐
@@rabbittko1421 So?
@@SpenceJS87 So i think its gay
@@rabbittko1421 Sorry it upset you.
Haven't watched this reaction yet but judging by comments here I want jump right in and say-- Fuck them, completely with you. Douglas is disgusting and makes this episode near-unwatchable, which sucks because I find the entire internet subplot with Jen hilarious.
I was also really disappointed when I first watched this episode because I was pleasantly surprised at first, when Douglas was initially really accepting of April. I thought that was going to be this one redeeming thing about his character, such as it is-- that yeah, he's a massive lech, but he's equal opportunity about it, like he's genuinely open to sleeping with everyone, no judgment. But then the joke just ended up being that he's both an idiot and bigoted, and that whole fistfight, the way they treated April in that... I can't even get into it.
I always want to recommend the IT Crowd to people because of Moss and Roy, but everything involving Douglas makes it really fucking hard.
Whatever snowflake.
You really don't seem to get the point of satire do you? Here's a better question, in the end of the episode does Douglas seem happy about his actions or just happy in general? No he doesn't. His actions made him miserable because his own judgement stopped him from being with the woman he loved and he paid the prices. Never is April actually seen as being bad cause of her change, its all from Douglas's point of view. It never said "if you change gender you don't deserve love" it said "if you judge someone you love and stop seeing them for things like this, you don't get happiness" start understanding the satire and realise its a comedy using real issues as a way to tell jokes without being disrespectful. If someone gets offended then oh well who cares? Comedy should not be censored for satire like this. Douglas got the unhappy ending cause he refused to be with the woman he loved over her past. How is the episode saying that being trans is a bad thing? This episode isn't saying that, it's saying to not judge someone or actively hate due to them being trans. And they did that in a funny and memorable way. Stop trying to stop satire and comedy like this, it's you who's the problem for not getting the comedy and message.