Hector is going to be running 3 Honda Civics with spoon engines. And on top of that he just came into Harry's and he ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS, and a Motec system exhaust.
Having worked with both, 2jz is hands down the best engine.......... BUT!! The Skyline is hands down the best chassis. Had a few powerfull Supra's and they can't get the power down anything like as well as the Skyline.
I’ve owned both a 2jz and a Rb26 that I had in my Datsun 240z , I have to say the 2jz is my favorite for power and reliability. Which is rare, the only other engine that is at par with the 2jz is a ls3 . The rb26 however is just plain beautiful and the sounds it makes are orgasmic. But I blew it after 4 months of owning it . The 2j I can beat the shit out of it and it won’t brake .
ive had a 32 gtr and 34 gtr, both fairly modded, love the skylines, the RB's are awesome motors, I'm also an engineer and I've built Rb's for those cars before. The last one was a 26/30 but the 2J's stronger, hands down. its not a diss or anything. bigger displacement and stronger.
@@AntiCompressionCompressionClub people need to test RB blocks for cylinder thickness before they build an engine due to how prone that block is to open up, you will find no such issues on the 2jz platform, the motive video channel has an excellent video on just that.
2JZ vs LS is a better question for Americans. Similar reliability, similar cost to boost them, both readily available. RB26 is still a pipe dream for most.
says nothing, what says everything is the amount of effort gtr guys go through to get their engines to not grenade, to the point of needing to test blocks and pick the best of the bunch, the 2jz is simply a much more robust engine.
6:34 I have the same opinion about the old rally Evos. Mitsubishi started seeing more success in WRC after adding AYC technology during the 4th Evo generation. Most of the credit goes the awd drivetrain but everyone puts that success on the 4G63. Ironically the Evo X was the only Evo in the USA to come with all the JDM rally technology but isn’t considered a “real evo” because it didn’t have the 4G63.
Never driven a 2JZ, but the 1JZ in my Chaser puts smiles on my face but I also really enjoy the higher revving RB26 in my R33. The 2 engines feel very different to me so I get to enjoy them for different reasons.
I have a 34 and a MK4 at this time, but have had 9 Supra’s ranging from stock to around 700kw’s and 2 R32’s 3Rp33’s and my R34 I have now they range from stock to around 500kw. I think they are both great cars but the RB’s do cost much more to modify than the Supra. If I had to make a choice I would pick the 2JZ due to it being a lot more reliable then the RB for my own history with both engines.
The RB26 has individual throtttle bodies, and a single trubo for three of the 6 cylinders. More liner in response and boost by a long shot. But people don't care about drivability as much as they do Dyno numbers, and that's why slower cars designed with driveability in mind always out preform these two cars.
The 2j in factory form is better than an RB26, however when an RB30 bottom end with a built engine is paired with an RB26 head the extra flow of the R26 head blows a 2j out of the water. Skylines are better in practically every single aspect. They're 4wd meaning they accelerate quicker, have more traction, they obviously turn faster, they look better and RB's sound better. I will also note that the worlds current fastest legitimate "streetcar" is a skyline and there's many others in the 6 second range to back it up. JUN II is a FULL factory chassis R32 GTR with full interior, IRS suspension, Radials and even still features little things like powered windows, being a car that has ran a 6.37 @224mph in the 1/4 which it did on its old setup.
i kinda completely agree to you but man the 2j block is way stronger than the rb30 block, the weakest part of the 2j is stronger than the strongest part of rb30
Sorry but ya RB's are terrible, 2jz's are cheaper, stronger from the factory in every aspect, and more readily available. The supra's transmission is also far stronger then a gtr's (for obvious reasons aka 2wd vs awd). Then you factor in the insanity that is the RB/skyline tax and its not worth even touching a rb series engine for any semblance of power. The skyline has a better chassis 100%, but that's mainly due to sports car vs GT car. Nissan can't touch Toyota for engineering and quality capability, proof is in how successful toyota is and nissan isn't. Being a mitsu guy tho I'm cheap and take the more logical paths. I keep running my DSM's over buying evo's anymore solely due to the evo tax. Evo has a better chassis hands down no argument but the DSM's are a fraction of the cost, run the same engine and driveline as 1-3 evo's, are far cheaper to make the same power out of and I've had less problems with reliability. I'm very glad I never bought skylines when I could get them for sub 3k, would have been a waste of money really.
@@macsynister I know. however if u happen to be pushing 1600hp which is what the good RB30's are rated for you should not only have a billet block already but u certainly have the cash to buy one.
@@robbalinski1606 As much as I agree with everything else you said. Rb's are not terrible. You must be American to say such a statement. Croydon racing, maatouks racing, NPE, motorsports mechanical and practically any other shop that's built Rb's says otherwise.
sorry but even the RB30 block is weaker than 2jz's, just ask anyone building those engines for high power, and you will notice that they need to search to find the right block to use.
When it came to the import drag racing scene in the states, the only engine to give the 2JZ a run for its money was always the good ol 13B, reminding that there was something smaller and scarier on the strip.
My JZ always starts runs, and makes 500hp on pump gas. It’s a daily for the summer. 3:36 My neighbours FD RX7 hasn’t run more than a day at a time for nearly a decade. It’s pretty though. My friends RB25 sits on an engine stand and hasn’t run in years.
If I had a choice of preference in sound of engine, it’s the 3 cylinder geo metro . Crisp, clean and the rpm sweep from zero to 4,500 is a smooth 6.8 seconds. Pure heaven 😊😂
The RB25 has a more of a mature, unified sound to it than the 2JZ. Both of them are excellent masterpieces but I just would have to go with the RB25, cause it’s simpler. . . “Simplicity is the key to Brilliance” - Bruce Lee
@El Drifto legit I've seen Barra's out of cars being sold for 2k. And I've seen cars with barras in them being sold for less that 2k. Get some shit old BA wagon off some grandad for 2k clean and none abused
@@oldrustyrelic9121 Wasn't long ago you could buy 2j powered cars for sub 2k in Canada as well, mk4 supra's could be had for 3k just 4 years ago....crazy how things have changed. I've never seen a Barra but if there's ever been a mass produced competitor to a 2j that'd be it, rb's don't hold a candle to either of them, even engine builders say so lol.
Aesthetically, both auditory and visual the RB is my preference. It’s also my preference for driving but I had an S2000 so high revs are something I love. Despite my preference I would have to say the 2JZ is the better overall engine though.
This is very US-centric. Aussies have been building high horsepower RBs for as long as tuners here have been running the 2jz. You absolutely do not need to overhaul the internals of a RB to get to 600hp.
Lol no its not. An Australian company did a block comparison of the 2j, RB and Barra. The 2j was the best built with thickest blocks whilst the Barras were the worst. Video is on here.
I have been told that a RB30 with RB26 head covers sounds insane. If I had the funds I would do that to my R33 but for now the RB25 is going for bone stock reliability build.
The reason both these engines are so dominant is because their blocks are made from cast iron so they can easily take over 1000 horsepower on stock internals. They can manage heat so well
@@undergroundriptiles7005 You're talking about the Top Secret Supra MK4 AFTER the first MK4 A80 Supra, that had a RB Series Inline 6 swapped in place of the 2JZ. He had TWO different Top Secret Supra MK4 A80s(Fourth Generation)
Funny how ppl compare two great engines. Both are great and completely different. Both are POWER HOUSES to say the least. There's no best engine here. Im sure one of them might be more popular for certain motorsport applications, but that's personal choice. Another thing i find funny is ppl saying stock for stock. Nobody is racing stock engines, both are highly modified. We're lucky to had had two great engineering teams create these two masterpieces for us enthusiasts. Thats the real focus
Put it this way, i had two cars over 800hp a Supra and a R32!! both were built forged bottom ends etc and the Rb cost nearly twice the 2j and was only 2.8 v's 3.4...... When i sold both cars after 6-8 years i had a number of RB blocks that were cracked where the 2j only came apart for upgrades. IMHO the RB howled and sounded better but the 2j was just stronger and had a better oiling system etc. But if your asking about chassis, the R32 was just levels better than the Supra around a track.
I love Japanese engines mostly for their reliability. The car designs have been hit or miss for me over the years but yes, video games introduced me to the JDMs. In reality, you have to modify pretty much all JDM cars from the 90s/2000s (until the new GTR) to make any significant performance. The stock Supra and GRT were "quick" for their time, but didn't dominate anything until modified. Most of my friends liked JDM's but never liked the sounds of the MAJORITY 4 bangers. If you grew up in the 90s, you'll remember terrible sounding civics...like pop rocks in milk. I always thought the best car out of Japan was the NSX. It really was on that exotic level in my eyes with rear engine, great handling and overall performance. I also remember the Viper being a great buy back then, more exotic than anything and amazing performance. 90s cars are amazing!
The sound from the ITBs on the RB26 at high revs sounds good. Aside from that though… 2JZ > RB26 all day. Hell, VVTi 1JZ > RB26 too. On that note, let’s talk about how Toyota basically just hit the copy paste button for the 2JZ after having Yamaha do the bulk of the work designing the 1JZ for them 👀
there's a good reason why at the highest levels of drifting everyone swaps 2JZs into their silvia's and BMWs. Almost no one use's RBs and the people that do often have constant issues
RBs aren't bad engines, they r pretty reliable, they mainly fail due to either poor tuning and all of that, and the reason why people choose 2j is because it's very strong already from factory and produces much more torque than RB
@@macsynister they are reliable when you don't mess with them. To build an RB to the point where it can handle 800-1000hp costs more money than what would make sense. Even built fully RBs aren't that reliable (given it is very easy to build an RB wrong)
@@nomeru_0 there's no point in making the RB go upto 800-1000whp, the point of keeping the engine is just goes away, if you want high HP, the Rb30 is the way and RB is one of the most tuner friendly engines because of which it's popular,with few bolt ons it reaches 500-550hp, it's definitely not easy to tune for people who never worked on it or having less experience ie the Americans
I prefer the 2j but RBs have a simple fix. They go pop because oil rises into the head leaving the bottom end dry and from there throw bearings. Here in Aus we add a drain in the head and that seems to fix that issue. Both motors are awesome but the Jzs make big power figures easier. One thing to note, the RB26 is much lighter and for a street car 5-600 hp would be all you need to have all the fun in the world so the RB makes more sense in that regard (lighter motor, higher reving and well capable of making peak usable power) shame that a used one goes for around 10 grand now days. Rb30s are bliss but everyone knows the best inline 6 is the Barra
I loved the Supra in the 90's but my jam was the Mitsubishi 3000gt twin turbo. That is my secret dream car. Outside of the Porsche 911. When I attended the illegal street drags in SoCal. It was generally all American cars. Occasionally we would see a supra.
They are. If they werent, they would fail even before a "classic block". Its like : Imagine you have one 600hp car and one 6000hp car. The two have twingo tires. In all cases, they gonna have the same 0 to 60 because the tires cannot put more than, let's say, 300hp for a 0 to 60. Even if one thing is way better (the block or the hp), if the rest fail before (the internals or the tires) it does not have any utility.
I see what you are saying but that's not proof. Stock RB rods can hold 800-900 I believe (motive gtr). Other factors than just peak power determine that threshold.
@@CarlDSLR It's because that's forged rods, even if it's stock. Else you just cannot, that's extremely high power. But you are right, he balance between torque and rpm change a lot.
As a mechanic, I will say stock for stock the 2j is a little easier to work on. Nit a fan of the factory intake plumbing of the rb. And fuck the air filter on it. Lol
@@rashawnthegamingmaster8620 it is definitely, but only till 600hp then you gotta upgrade oil pump, pistons and the other internals, but since the engine is old, any part may fail because of wear and tear, the power limit i mentioned above is only true if the engine is well taken care of
RB26.. my father / grand father took a stock rb26 put it in a full chassis sentra we made. All we did was put a cam, bigger turbo , injectors and a external oil pump , left bottom end alone. Car ran high 7s in the quarter mile full season on c16. This was in 2005. Stock bottom end.. rb26 can do way more then 400 with proper modifications.
If the RB is Godzilla and the 2J is Kong, then the LS is Ghidorah. The bitter rival from another solar system with immeasurable power. The Barra would be Gigan. Lurking in the shadows, not as visible as the others, but highly lethal. The F20C would be Gamera. Not as large as the others. But full of charisma and that high pitched shriek. The Subie EJ would be Baragon. It’s more cute than scary, it gives off an adorable little “rawr” and then dies.
When you say easier to tune I assume he means most Americans understanding of how to make easy power with what Equation. In other words what Specific parts to use to make specific power. The Australians and New Zealanders have had a great understanding of how To tune the r b engine.
Such American car hate in this haha It was understandable for people back then to go for a C4 Vette; other than sharing their FR layout it was a quite different car to the Supra. The C4 was lighter weight, smaller, V8 power, and had a low slung driving position; it was a legitimate sports car as opposed to the Supra being more of a GT. At that time it also had a strong market cache not only for older folks and but also for people who just wanted a great bang for buck sports car; the Vette was a known commodity. If you were interested in a Corvette you weren't cross shopping a Supra; you were probably looking at something like a 911. The MK3 Supra was a bit of a dog of a car with its large size, heavy weight, lumbering handling, and measly power unless you were one of the fortunate few who ponied up for the 1JZ. So the MK4 releasing as a follow up at the price that it did and at the time not quite knowing the tuning potential of it; yeah this wasn't a recipe for great sales success.. There was a reason Toyota cut sales on it here in the US in '98 whereas they continued on elsewhere till '02. Hindsight is 20/20 now given the tuning potential of the MK4 is a known commodity, the limited sales here in the US, and the media hype train that followed it being discontinued mainly via the FnF movies. I also don’t think time has been kind to the C4’s design. Of course you'd pony up the extra cash for a Supra over a C4 nowadays.
It’s tough…I’d kill to own either the mk4 Supra or a GTR (r32 or 34 preferably), but I also know I’m a car guy who would also wanna own the one I don’t, lol. But if I’m going off purely the engine, I’ve gotta go RB. Yes, I know tuning and power gains are easier on the mk4, but the RB just sounds and feels so much nicer on acceleration.
TL;DR: the Nissan was a high tech race engine put in a high tech chassis. The Toyota by comparison was a bit of a lumbering behemoth, but with huge power potential. Supra fans really do rip on the Corvette when you consider that they’re literally driving the Japanese Corvette. Except their engine is 200 pounds heavier. 😮
I’m always left with the whole “how much can I get out of the box” thought. With that being said. You get a lot of upgraded internals with the 2J you don’t get with the 26. As far as a daily/ street car? 2J. If money and parts were no object? We may never know.
If the JZ is the Machete, The RB with ITB's and neo would be the Katana. JZ for brute torque and tolerance from materials engineering and RB for the engineering additions that went into the ITB and NEO, the RB cam is Lift compatible through some aftermarket support. The response from the RB is just subliminal. To put it in BMW terms, 2JZ is more like a stroked, boosted S52 while the RB has more characteristics aligning to boosted Euro-Spec S50.
All my favorite Street track (courses) racers ran the RB once it became available… To watch race teams do what they do is very impressive, I have helped out on both Oval and street tracks, I’m always in awe…
I've always been a nissan fanboy but gotta give the 2j the nod. The non-interferance big boy is in the same category as the LS.... but for some reason my dumbass still put a RB20 in my 240sx 🤦🏽
Obviously bullet proof and reliable would be the 2jz but cannot disregard the sound of the rb. If it was either of those against LS by far i go with Japanese no doubt.
I'm planning on getting a 93 Lexus ls400 with Toyota's 1UZ 4.0L v8 that has forged internals and can make 1,000hp without modification of the internals
If stock vs stock, the RB26 engine wins because it is more powerful and also has a much higher RPM than the 2jz engine and also torque. The RB26 engine is stronger than the 2jz engine and also the RB26 engine is faster than the 2jz engine and there is a lot of evidence that supports my words.
@@Mazin26rb26 is maybe faster but not stronger than 2jz and the power and torque is favorable to the 2jz also , but rb26 high rev make it faster. All this is in stock form everything can change with mods
@@Mazin26 you might like the RB better, but facts are facts, 2j is stronger, capable of more power and more stout engine. also, stock for stock 2j has more torque..also oem rb26 turbos have ceramic internals, which break at about 14 psi, stock 2j turbos are stronger.
The "base" Corvette C4s costed a few thousands less than the RZ Trim 2JZGTE(Turbocharged) equipped Supra MK4 A80 Supra. And the RZ Trim Supra MK4 A80 had a tough time beating the Corvette C4 Base models. While the "base" model Supra A80 MK4 Non-turbocharged 2JZGE came nowhere to the "base" model C4 Corvettes
Was always more of a Nissan fan since my first new car was a 98 200sx SE-R. So I always leaned twards sr20s and RBs. I had no Idea 2Js had that much more weight.. Thats like drag racing with a large man sitting shotgun.
Craig, have you seen the 1976 280 Z with a RB 26 for sale at MotoXotica??? If so, I'd love to hear your opinion. It's been for sale for more than 3 years & they've even listed it at Hemmings. $45,000
have you seen the 6 second r33 skyline from Australia? absolutely nuts, 330km/h in under 7 seconds. I'd say 2jz is the better engine but there is something special about a RB, I'd say it comes from it being synonymous with the GTR which is a legendary platform overall
I must say, that the older I get, the less care about horsepower......cause nowadays every Electric-Barrow runs quick or fast, even a Zoe or a Lupo..... So I value more and more on classic design and good sounding engines.
Bpu, I've not heard that phrase in a while. It was almost mandatary that a supra had it in the late 90's. 2jz for me, just for the sound it makes. Thank you for making the content you do.
I’ve always been partial to the rb because I’ve had a lot of Nissans and I love the L series. I have a 2j currently and it is rock solid. No real complaints other than Toyota is messy with their vacuum lines.
*Pfft…everone knows the true legends are the Gallo 12 and Gallo 24!*
Hector upgraded, hes gonna be running 3 civics with 700 wheel horsepower capable stock k24 engines😳
I didn't know pizza 🍕 places made motors. . . 😁👍🏻😂😂
@@spankthemonkey3437it was spoon engines
@@Carlos.Rivera he upgraded to a k24
@@spankthemonkey3437 lol I don't think he got the joke 🤣
You can’t go wrong with that Toyota reliability at the end of the day, but something about the RB26 just can’t be described through words.
RB for racing applications, JZ for a drag/street car.
They’re both equally legendary in my mind.
Mostly for the sound... My favourite between the 2 is the RB26. The sound that engine makes is nnothing short of glorious!!
Hector is going to be running 3 Honda Civics with spoon engines. And on top of that he just came into Harry's and he ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS, and a Motec system exhaust.
Overnight parts. From jaPAN
Having worked with both, 2jz is hands down the best engine.......... BUT!! The Skyline is hands down the best chassis. Had a few powerfull Supra's and they can't get the power down anything like as well as the Skyline.
I’ve owned both a 2jz and a Rb26 that I had in my Datsun 240z , I have to say the 2jz is my favorite for power and reliability. Which is rare, the only other engine that is at par with the 2jz is a ls3 . The rb26 however is just plain beautiful and the sounds it makes are orgasmic. But I blew it after 4 months of owning it . The 2j I can beat the shit out of it and it won’t brake .
ive had a 32 gtr and 34 gtr, both fairly modded, love the skylines, the RB's are awesome motors, I'm also an engineer and I've built Rb's for those cars before. The last one was a 26/30 but the 2J's stronger, hands down. its not a diss or anything. bigger displacement and stronger.
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@@AntiCompressionCompressionClub people need to test RB blocks for cylinder thickness before they build an engine due to how prone that block is to open up, you will find no such issues on the 2jz platform, the motive video channel has an excellent video on just that.
I'll just say this. I honestly love both engines despite knowing I probably won't be able to ever afford one in life
2JZ vs LS is a better question for Americans. Similar reliability, similar cost to boost them, both readily available.
RB26 is still a pipe dream for most.
Smokey didn't swap a 2JZ into a GTR, but he did swap an RB26 into a Supra. And that says it all.
says nothing, what says everything is the amount of effort gtr guys go through to get their engines to not grenade, to the point of needing to test blocks and pick the best of the bunch,
the 2jz is simply a much more robust engine.
6:34 I have the same opinion about the old rally Evos. Mitsubishi started seeing more success in WRC after adding AYC technology during the 4th Evo generation. Most of the credit goes the awd drivetrain but everyone puts that success on the 4G63. Ironically the Evo X was the only Evo in the USA to come with all the JDM rally technology but isn’t considered a “real evo” because it didn’t have the 4G63.
Never driven a 2JZ, but the 1JZ in my Chaser puts smiles on my face but I also really enjoy the higher revving RB26 in my R33. The 2 engines feel very different to me so I get to enjoy them for different reasons.
so sad we never got the chaser here in europe, its such a good looking car imo.
@@cj09beira I agree, it is a great looking car. Mine is imported since we never got them here either.
Even though I got a nissan, 2jz all day, bigger displacement, stronger bottom end, and easier to get your hands on.
Also easier to install in LHD cars cus the headers don't exit towards the steering rack
All great points and a great video!
Would have to pick the rb26 personally due to higher redline and lower weight as I prefer nimble cars.
and it sounds erotic
rb26 funnily enough is slightly heavier
I have a 34 and a MK4 at this time, but have had 9 Supra’s ranging from stock to around 700kw’s and 2 R32’s 3Rp33’s and my R34 I have now they range from stock to around 500kw. I think they are both great cars but the RB’s do cost much more to modify than the Supra. If I had to make a choice I would pick the 2JZ due to it being a lot more reliable then the RB for my own history with both engines.
i concede that 2jz is more robust and power capable.. but that RB sound is sooooooooooooo damn good.
So does 2jz lmao
2JZ in a skyline, perfect Frankenstein ✨️👌
The RB26 has individual throtttle bodies, and a single trubo for three of the 6 cylinders. More liner in response and boost by a long shot. But people don't care about drivability as much as they do Dyno numbers, and that's why slower cars designed with driveability in mind always out preform these two cars.
The 2j in factory form is better than an RB26, however when an RB30 bottom end with a built engine is paired with an RB26 head the extra flow of the R26 head blows a 2j out of the water. Skylines are better in practically every single aspect. They're 4wd meaning they accelerate quicker, have more traction, they obviously turn faster, they look better and RB's sound better. I will also note that the worlds current fastest legitimate "streetcar" is a skyline and there's many others in the 6 second range to back it up. JUN II is a FULL factory chassis R32 GTR with full interior, IRS suspension, Radials and even still features little things like powered windows, being a car that has ran a 6.37 @224mph in the 1/4 which it did on its old setup.
i kinda completely agree to you but man the 2j block is way stronger than the rb30 block, the weakest part of the 2j is stronger than the strongest part of rb30
Sorry but ya RB's are terrible, 2jz's are cheaper, stronger from the factory in every aspect, and more readily available. The supra's transmission is also far stronger then a gtr's (for obvious reasons aka 2wd vs awd).
Then you factor in the insanity that is the RB/skyline tax and its not worth even touching a rb series engine for any semblance of power. The skyline has a better chassis 100%, but that's mainly due to sports car vs GT car. Nissan can't touch Toyota for engineering and quality capability, proof is in how successful toyota is and nissan isn't.
Being a mitsu guy tho I'm cheap and take the more logical paths. I keep running my DSM's over buying evo's anymore solely due to the evo tax. Evo has a better chassis hands down no argument but the DSM's are a fraction of the cost, run the same engine and driveline as 1-3 evo's, are far cheaper to make the same power out of and I've had less problems with reliability. I'm very glad I never bought skylines when I could get them for sub 3k, would have been a waste of money really.
@@macsynister I know. however if u happen to be pushing 1600hp which is what the good RB30's are rated for you should not only have a billet block already but u certainly have the cash to buy one.
@@robbalinski1606 As much as I agree with everything else you said. Rb's are not terrible. You must be American to say such a statement. Croydon racing, maatouks racing, NPE, motorsports mechanical and practically any other shop that's built Rb's says otherwise.
sorry but even the RB30 block is weaker than 2jz's, just ask anyone building those engines for high power, and you will notice that they need to search to find the right block to use.
That 240 of yours is the most gloriously 80s thing I have ever seen in my life.
When it came to the import drag racing scene in the states, the only engine to give the 2JZ a run for its money was always the good ol 13B, reminding that there was something smaller and scarier on the strip.
Yep, a good old Wankel can endure almost everything in terms of preparation, and more reliably than any other thing.
My JZ always starts runs, and makes 500hp on pump gas. It’s a daily for the summer. 3:36
My neighbours FD RX7 hasn’t run more than a day at a time for nearly a decade. It’s pretty though.
My friends RB25 sits on an engine stand and hasn’t run in years.
If I had a choice of preference in sound of engine, it’s the 3 cylinder geo metro . Crisp, clean and the rpm sweep from zero to 4,500 is a smooth 6.8 seconds. Pure heaven 😊😂
The RB25 has a more of a mature, unified sound to it than the 2JZ. Both of them are excellent masterpieces but I just would have to go with the RB25, cause it’s simpler. . . “Simplicity is the key to Brilliance” - Bruce Lee
High revving plus the note of the rb does it for me. I'll never have any use for a car with over 600hp, so rb all day.
Yes sir
I’ve ran through 5 rbs💀 and my jz is still up and running since I got it
Good know I made the* right choice 😂
Still ain't got nothing on the Australian 4 litre barra inline 6
I've got an R32 GTR and I agree. The Barra is a monster.
And how common they are makes them so cheap
@El Drifto legit I've seen Barra's out of cars being sold for 2k. And I've seen cars with barras in them being sold for less that 2k. Get some shit old BA wagon off some grandad for 2k clean and none abused
@@oldrustyrelic9121 Wasn't long ago you could buy 2j powered cars for sub 2k in Canada as well, mk4 supra's could be had for 3k just 4 years ago....crazy how things have changed. I've never seen a Barra but if there's ever been a mass produced competitor to a 2j that'd be it, rb's don't hold a candle to either of them, even engine builders say so lol.
I own supras.all I see is Barras getting chopped and chopped hard.the Barra is average at best.🤡
What about a Gallo 12 or Gallo 24?🤣🤣☠️
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The 24 is better
You gotta get a 24. Those things combined with a MoTeC system exhaust will get you more power than you need alone!
I didn't know pizza places made motors
It's all 2JZ for me.. I had a 80 a 84 and a 96..they were my favorite cars ever..Supra is a fun and exciting vehicle from the factory..
0:58 As a Rotard, I get over the fact you showed a 13BT then the FD; Which had a 13BREW
Aesthetically, both auditory and visual the RB is my preference. It’s also my preference for driving but I had an S2000 so high revs are something I love. Despite my preference I would have to say the 2JZ is the better overall engine though.
Rb26 has the better sound but the 2jz is a stronger engine.
What a bout skyline chassis with 2JZ inside
Somebodt did that lmao
In my opinion, there is more options with the RB platform example 1jz,2jz, over RB20,rb25,rb28,rb30
Not true within the jz there are multiple variations
This is very US-centric. Aussies have been building high horsepower RBs for as long as tuners here have been running the 2jz.
You absolutely do not need to overhaul the internals of a RB to get to 600hp.
best inline six is the Ford Barra engine from Australia. 4.0 straight six turbo
Lol no its not. An Australian company did a block comparison of the 2j, RB and Barra. The 2j was the best built with thickest blocks whilst the Barras were the worst. Video is on here.
@@supremegodemperordonaldtru3563 where is the video link?
@@viper22jc search for "motive video" "Is the Barra 4.0L block better than the 2JZ and RB30?"
Craig will you be doing a video on your take of the fast x trailer?
I have been told that a RB30 with RB26 head covers sounds insane. If I had the funds I would do that to my R33 but for now the RB25 is going for bone stock reliability build.
The reason both these engines are so dominant is because their blocks are made from cast iron so they can easily take over 1000 horsepower on stock internals. They can manage heat so well
Neither engines can make 1000hp on stock internals
I think the 2J is good until about 800 and the RB good until about 5-600
Block and internals arent the same thing.
@@hugokussj3531 uh no
@@tabryis I say this because people seem to think that the engine can endure 1000hp on stock internal just because the block itself can endure it.
Smokey Nagata had a RB series inline 6 in his Top Secret Supra MK4 that got the high MPH numbers.
Was a V12 twin Turbo
@@undergroundriptiles7005 You're talking about the Top Secret Supra MK4 AFTER the first MK4 A80 Supra, that had a RB Series Inline 6 swapped in place of the 2JZ. He had TWO different Top Secret Supra MK4 A80s(Fourth Generation)
@@charlesbakston7414 he had 3 i believe, because some of the footage is 100% a 2j
Whats that supposed to mean? Smokey did crazy things just to do it. Dude Built Skylines with 2Js and Supras with RBs, V12s and 3Ss.
I pick both 2JZ and RB26.
Both of them always sound best as well.
This was such an interesting video! Absolutely love the channel. Thanks for the info. I've always loved the RB but this video has me thinking.
I like both but i gotta go with that RB. Those revs and that sound.
Funny how ppl compare two great engines. Both are great and completely different. Both are POWER HOUSES to say the least. There's no best engine here. Im sure one of them might be more popular for certain motorsport applications, but that's personal choice. Another thing i find funny is ppl saying stock for stock. Nobody is racing stock engines, both are highly modified. We're lucky to had had two great engineering teams create these two masterpieces for us enthusiasts. Thats the real focus
Put it this way, i had two cars over 800hp a Supra and a R32!! both were built forged bottom ends etc and the Rb cost nearly twice the 2j and was only 2.8 v's 3.4...... When i sold both cars after 6-8 years i had a number of RB blocks that were cracked where the 2j only came apart for upgrades. IMHO the RB howled and sounded better but the 2j was just stronger and had a better oiling system etc. But if your asking about chassis, the R32 was just levels better than the Supra around a track.
Actually Australia used both stock engines in production car racing.
I love Japanese engines mostly for their reliability. The car designs have been hit or miss for me over the years but yes, video games introduced me to the JDMs. In reality, you have to modify pretty much all JDM cars from the 90s/2000s (until the new GTR) to make any significant performance. The stock Supra and GRT were "quick" for their time, but didn't dominate anything until modified. Most of my friends liked JDM's but never liked the sounds of the MAJORITY 4 bangers. If you grew up in the 90s, you'll remember terrible sounding civics...like pop rocks in milk. I always thought the best car out of Japan was the NSX. It really was on that exotic level in my eyes with rear engine, great handling and overall performance. I also remember the Viper being a great buy back then, more exotic than anything and amazing performance. 90s cars are amazing!
The sound from the ITBs on the RB26 at high revs sounds good.
Aside from that though… 2JZ > RB26 all day. Hell, VVTi 1JZ > RB26 too.
On that note, let’s talk about how Toyota basically just hit the copy paste button for the 2JZ after having Yamaha do the bulk of the work designing the 1JZ for them 👀
Both engines are great!
The 2JZ is the better engine though.
I remember you even talking about it in one of your Instagram Live Videos.
there's a good reason why at the highest levels of drifting everyone swaps 2JZs into their silvia's and BMWs. Almost no one use's RBs and the people that do often have constant issues
RBs aren't bad engines, they r pretty reliable, they mainly fail due to either poor tuning and all of that, and the reason why people choose 2j is because it's very strong already from factory and produces much more torque than RB
@@macsynister they are reliable when you don't mess with them. To build an RB to the point where it can handle 800-1000hp costs more money than what would make sense. Even built fully RBs aren't that reliable (given it is very easy to build an RB wrong)
@@nomeru_0 there's no point in making the RB go upto 800-1000whp, the point of keeping the engine is just goes away, if you want high HP, the Rb30 is the way and RB is one of the most tuner friendly engines because of which it's popular,with few bolt ons it reaches 500-550hp, it's definitely not easy to tune for people who never worked on it or having less experience ie the Americans
I prefer the 2j but RBs have a simple fix. They go pop because oil rises into the head leaving the bottom end dry and from there throw bearings. Here in Aus we add a drain in the head and that seems to fix that issue. Both motors are awesome but the Jzs make big power figures easier. One thing to note, the RB26 is much lighter and for a street car 5-600 hp would be all you need to have all the fun in the world so the RB makes more sense in that regard (lighter motor, higher reving and well capable of making peak usable power) shame that a used one goes for around 10 grand now days. Rb30s are bliss but everyone knows the best inline 6 is the Barra
I loved the Supra in the 90's but my jam was the Mitsubishi 3000gt twin turbo. That is my secret dream car. Outside of the Porsche 911. When I attended the illegal street drags in SoCal. It was generally all American cars. Occasionally we would see a supra.
The 2 biggest reason the 2J makes more power is displacement and a stronger block. Pistons and rods are not forged.
They are.
If they werent, they would fail even before a "classic block".
Its like : Imagine you have one 600hp car and one 6000hp car. The two have twingo tires.
In all cases, they gonna have the same 0 to 60 because the tires cannot put more than, let's say, 300hp for a 0 to 60.
Even if one thing is way better (the block or the hp), if the rest fail before (the internals or the tires) it does not have any utility.
I see what you are saying but that's not proof. Stock RB rods can hold 800-900 I believe (motive gtr). Other factors than just peak power determine that threshold.
@@CarlDSLR It's because that's forged rods, even if it's stock. Else you just cannot, that's extremely high power. But you are right, he balance between torque and rpm change a lot.
Saving up for an RB for my Midnight Purple 300zx. Which RB should I get?
RB26 in a Skyline
2JZ in a Tacoma!
2JZ Tacoma is the dream
As a mechanic, I will say stock for stock the 2j is a little easier to work on. Nit a fan of the factory intake plumbing of the rb. And fuck the air filter on it. Lol
I was living in Australia when the R32 came out and the Bathurst edition is a limited edition R32
RB26 for me, but the 2JZ is epic.
Rb26 is not that reliable though
@@rashawnthegamingmaster8620 it is definitely, but only till 600hp then you gotta upgrade oil pump, pistons and the other internals, but since the engine is old, any part may fail because of wear and tear, the power limit i mentioned above is only true if the engine is well taken care of
@@macsynister don't forget adding a oil drain to the head
This old question again? The 2JZ has always been the better engine.
@Craig Lieberman. What do you think of the Ford Barra engine. Would be cool to do a video about it.
RB26.. my father / grand father took a stock rb26 put it in a full chassis sentra we made. All we did was put a cam, bigger turbo , injectors and a external oil pump , left bottom end alone. Car ran high 7s in the quarter mile full season on c16. This was in 2005. Stock bottom end.. rb26 can do way more then 400 with proper modifications.
If the RB is Godzilla and the 2J is Kong, then the LS is Ghidorah. The bitter rival from another solar system with immeasurable power. The Barra would be Gigan. Lurking in the shadows, not as visible as the others, but highly lethal. The F20C would be Gamera. Not as large as the others. But full of charisma and that high pitched shriek. The Subie EJ would be Baragon. It’s more cute than scary, it gives off an adorable little “rawr” and then dies.
The Barra is a toy next to the JDM king's step into reality please 😂
When you say easier to tune I assume he means most Americans understanding of how to make easy power with what Equation. In other words what Specific parts to use to make specific power. The Australians and New Zealanders have had a great understanding of how To tune the r b engine.
Absolutely correct answer in the end. Not "What engine is better?" but "What is your favorite engine?"
I prefer RB26 STU STU STU!!!!!!❤❤❤❤ IM ALWAYS A GT-R FAN
OF COURSE 2JZ AS WELL WITH HIGH POWER
BUT GT-R IS IN MY MIND ALWAYS
Such American car hate in this haha
It was understandable for people back then to go for a C4 Vette; other than sharing their FR layout it was a quite different car to the Supra. The C4 was lighter weight, smaller, V8 power, and had a low slung driving position; it was a legitimate sports car as opposed to the Supra being more of a GT. At that time it also had a strong market cache not only for older folks and but also for people who just wanted a great bang for buck sports car; the Vette was a known commodity. If you were interested in a Corvette you weren't cross shopping a Supra; you were probably looking at something like a 911.
The MK3 Supra was a bit of a dog of a car with its large size, heavy weight, lumbering handling, and measly power unless you were one of the fortunate few who ponied up for the 1JZ. So the MK4 releasing as a follow up at the price that it did and at the time not quite knowing the tuning potential of it; yeah this wasn't a recipe for great sales success.. There was a reason Toyota cut sales on it here in the US in '98 whereas they continued on elsewhere till '02.
Hindsight is 20/20 now given the tuning potential of the MK4 is a known commodity, the limited sales here in the US, and the media hype train that followed it being discontinued mainly via the FnF movies. I also don’t think time has been kind to the C4’s design. Of course you'd pony up the extra cash for a Supra over a C4 nowadays.
It’s tough…I’d kill to own either the mk4 Supra or a GTR (r32 or 34 preferably), but I also know I’m a car guy who would also wanna own the one I don’t, lol. But if I’m going off purely the engine, I’ve gotta go RB. Yes, I know tuning and power gains are easier on the mk4, but the RB just sounds and feels so much nicer on acceleration.
TL;DR: the Nissan was a high tech race engine put in a high tech chassis. The Toyota by comparison was a bit of a lumbering behemoth, but with huge power potential. Supra fans really do rip on the Corvette when you consider that they’re literally driving the Japanese Corvette. Except their engine is 200 pounds heavier. 😮
I’m always left with the whole “how much can I get out of the box” thought. With that being said. You get a lot of upgraded internals with the 2J you don’t get with the 26. As far as a daily/ street car? 2J. If money and parts were no object? We may never know.
If the JZ is the Machete, The RB with ITB's and neo would be the Katana. JZ for brute torque and tolerance from materials engineering and RB for the engineering additions that went into the ITB and NEO, the RB cam is Lift compatible through some aftermarket support. The response from the RB is just subliminal. To put it in BMW terms, 2JZ is more like a stroked, boosted S52 while the RB has more characteristics aligning to boosted Euro-Spec S50.
Interested to hear what you think about the new mk5 supra. Would you consider buying one now that it comes with a manual?
All my favorite Street track (courses) racers ran the RB once it became available… To watch race teams do what they do is very impressive, I have helped out on both Oval and street tracks, I’m always in awe…
This is like comparing your 2 children. There is never a right answer.
I've always been a nissan fanboy but gotta give the 2j the nod. The non-interferance big boy is in the same category as the LS.... but for some reason my dumbass still put a RB20 in my 240sx 🤦🏽
Lol your just a gluten for punishment! But you like what you like.
Obviously bullet proof and reliable would be the 2jz but cannot disregard the sound of the rb. If it was either of those against LS by far i go with Japanese no doubt.
I'm planning on getting a 93 Lexus ls400 with Toyota's 1UZ 4.0L v8 that has forged internals and can make 1,000hp without modification of the internals
stock for stock, 2J wins. factually. check the video on the block comparisons. 2J is twice as strong, better oiling, etc. facts not feelings
If stock vs stock, the RB26 engine wins because it is more powerful and also has a much higher RPM than the 2jz engine and also torque. The RB26 engine is stronger than the 2jz engine and also the RB26 engine is faster than the 2jz engine and there is a lot of evidence that supports my words.
@@Mazin26rb26 is maybe faster but not stronger than 2jz and the power and torque is favorable to the 2jz also , but rb26 high rev make it faster. All this is in stock form everything can change with mods
@@Mazin26 you might like the RB better, but facts are facts, 2j is stronger, capable of more power and more stout engine. also, stock for stock 2j has more torque..also oem rb26 turbos have ceramic internals, which break at about 14 psi, stock 2j turbos are stronger.
2jz all the way...waaaay better...tested and proven over and over...the rb26 is more comparable with the 1jzgte...😂
The "base" Corvette C4s costed a few thousands less than the RZ Trim 2JZGTE(Turbocharged) equipped Supra MK4 A80 Supra. And the RZ Trim Supra MK4 A80 had a tough time beating the Corvette C4 Base models.
While the "base" model Supra A80 MK4 Non-turbocharged 2JZGE came nowhere to the "base" model C4 Corvettes
Was always more of a Nissan fan since my first new car was a 98 200sx SE-R. So I always leaned twards sr20s and RBs.
I had no Idea 2Js had that much more weight.. Thats like drag racing with a large man sitting shotgun.
Craig, have you seen the 1976 280 Z with a RB 26 for sale at MotoXotica???
If so, I'd love to hear your opinion. It's been for sale for more than 3 years & they've even listed it at Hemmings.
$45,000
have you seen the 6 second r33 skyline from Australia? absolutely nuts, 330km/h in under 7 seconds. I'd say 2jz is the better engine but there is something special about a RB, I'd say it comes from it being synonymous with the GTR which is a legendary platform overall
RB26 and 1JZ will forever sound better than the 2JZ
That was an awesome breakdown. Great video
Been gripped by that RB sound ever since 2F2F. Only one winner for me
2JZ will always be my favorite
Crazy how it depends on your location in the world. America has the best tuned 2JZs, Australia has the best tuned RBs.
Because we are talking about tuning - the RB25/30 DETT is an interesting option. Common in Australia.
Awesome information. Which one is easier to install in a Datsun 240z?
Definitely the RB
T-tops for the win. Supra, Z32, NSX, Alltrac, 3000GT... 90's were the best
Z31 as well
Sure RB26 is objectively worse, however, the RB30/26 is a force not to be reckoned with
RB30 is only slightly better it still a much weaker block than the 2jz.
@@cj09beira RB30 blocks varies in strength, some stock blocks are capable of 700 hp
RB is a great engine...in games, it won't blow up in virtual reality, real life is another story 😂😂😂
True😂
new plan. i will design my own inline 6 using the best of both engines. time to put my degree to use!
I like and love this video a lot and both cars the Toyota Supra and the Nissan skyline both are the best and awesome. 💯👍👍🙌🙌
I must say, that the older I get, the less care about horsepower......cause nowadays every Electric-Barrow runs quick or fast, even a Zoe or a Lupo.....
So I value more and more on classic design and good sounding engines.
same here getting more and more intrested in cars thats just fun to drive most modern cars have too much computer controlls in them
I enjoy my RB.
2J. There I saved everyone some time.
Both blocks are very good, but it is very well known that the RB is prone to failure such as the oil pump and blocks cracking.
Bpu, I've not heard that phrase in a while. It was almost mandatary that a supra had it in the late 90's.
2jz for me, just for the sound it makes. Thank you for making the content you do.
I went 1JZ TT for that same reason. Sounds too good.
My favorite sounding would be a rb26 with a trust t78 or t88 by a little all those 1000hp+ tx2k Supras sound absolutely amazing too
12:50 Craig, where did your r34 get it's intake air from?
I’ve always been partial to the rb because I’ve had a lot of Nissans and I love the L series. I have a 2j currently and it is rock solid. No real complaints other than Toyota is messy with their vacuum lines.