☀Happy Sunday Neighbors! 🎉Hope you all enjoy today's late ONE HOUR SPECIAL upload! 🎉🤠 (unless you're an alpha male who manipulates young men into hating women then u prob won't like this one i fear but plz b nice to me tho im just a girl ty🫶) ANYWAYS- this is a topic that my instagram community actually helped me choose! so shout out to them because this is a topic that needs to be discussed in today's climate- the rise of the male identity crisis isn't only affecting males, it's affecting absolutely everyone and even their mamas smh. Radicalization is very much real and it's getting more severe to the point where gen z is becoming the loneliest- and most undateable generation ever 😬to the point where young women are now protesting against dating men through the 4B movement. But it's all for a reason, the reason being that this type of content online is telling them that everyone's out to get them, that masculinity is dying & how it's all womens fault (spoiler alert: nuh uh) And these manosphere men are teaching these young men that masculinity is all about cars, instagram baddies and showing them how to pick up suitcases in a "manly way" (yes that's a thing and yes i put it in the video lmao) yet when these alpha men are confronted with a different opinion or are challenged by another confident men who have a different definition of success from them they get triggered (emotional much?) to the point where they threaten people with physical violence (yes that actually happened and i also included that in this video lol) it gets CRAZY y'all😭😭😭Grab a snack, relax and let's talk about it💕also if you haven't already- follow me on instagram (@_salemtovar_) and join my neighborhood instagram chat where I update all of you on what's going on behind the screen on my end! Enjoy the video and I will see you guys in December- Enjoy the thanksgiving break my duckling army 💕(unless a manosphere guy somehow finds me and drags my ahh before then) Welp! Have a nice day! ☀
Dogpack was a Fraud You should make a Retraction Video about the Mrbeast thing If you have a shred of Moral Integrity You spread Misinformation to 300k ppl ( and counting)
be careful. kids hide things and it's easy to slip down these rabbit holes while under 25. I know plenty guys whos mothers would be absolutely shocked at how they really feel about certain things
imagine him not having the best parents, i mean you cant choose them, right? and all you hear on social media is "men are the problem", i"i choose the bear" basically condeming you from birth...a person like that not so well grounded by a family and a supportive background, might it be that snake oil salesman like andrew tate that basically say: "your not the problem, these people are" would appeal to him? and if yes...whos fault would that be?
@@bitze865 I get what you're trying to say but you're inadvertently claiming that women should still be responsible for young men's feelings to make them feel better when women are the ones who are frequently attacked, assaulted, traumatized, and often killed by their male partners feeling entitled to them. The solution is for male media figures to hold other men accountable, not to blame women for wanting to pick the bear because of the horrific acts men, including teens and young adults, have committed against women and girls.
Keep doing it, people letting their kids on social media is how these podcast guys and Fuentes get their views. I dont have children yet but I've already made up my mind to not allow social media until they're at least in the double digits.
Honestly fair. I’m a Gen Z adult and grew up with a no internet flip phone, and only got Facebook for family and family friends at 12 which I barely use. I guess YT counts….but I find my spaces and kids safe parts of it or with you present are options too. Honestly, you don’t need social media in your life. Talking to people, living life as much as you are able, is great. Personally I still use it a lot as a semi isolated disabled person, as this is how I can find communities in some way on a daily, but I agree overall it’s kind of a cesspool.
That one dude on that podcast talking down on OF girl. Sleeps w one, gets her pregnant, and states he’s too poor to raise a child. Secondhand embarrassment. Talk about the louder they are the harder they fall 🤣
You mean andrew from whatever podcast ? Yeah. He is noy exactly a role model but he says a lot of truths but also alot of bs. As all those channels do. And because they adress issues that men are surrounded by, men became interested. Other side is just saying men bad. Now guess what content they will choose.
OP, Thats not how the saying goes… The original saying doesn’t even make sense in this context. Your saying doesn’t even make sense in this context. If anything you wanted to use the saying “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound” (Plato) which also applies to you acting all intellectual like and not even knowing the meaning of the words you are using.
That’s pretty much one of the many eventual, and inevitable, endpoints of the manosphere pipeline. They get this sense that they’re ungovernable and can do whatever they want. I mean, it doesn’t hurt to have some extra cash. But, that can easily lead u down that pipeline and turn u into a shadow of your former self. It’s absolutely insidious.
Some people are easier to influence than others. It seems your ex was one of those. I'm glad you're no longer with him. A huge problem with the "manosphere" is that it draws in men who have been mistreated by women. Similarly how the opposite is happening with women and women's movements, like the 4B movement. Amplifying it. Just when did so many us of become so comfortable with mistreating each other? We're supposed to be a team ...
My great aunt is a 90 years old evangelical christian and she was appalled by trump selling that bible and people saying that God sent him to save us and i remember her saying "How dare they speak the name of the lord and use that same mouth supporting someone that lies, that commits adultery, that harms God's creations". She is someone that still studies the bible to this day and never takes things for granted. Thanks to her i realized that there is no excuse for people acting the way they do. Because the answers are in front of their eyes and they still chose to stay ignorant.
Just curious, someone that " harms gods creations " that means your grandma doesn't eat meat right? Because gods creations are being tortured everyday in billions of numbers or does gods creations include only humans?
@@ayamekuroshi1441 that’s how I know you never read the Bible. No human on earth is without sin, in fact sometimes God chooses people who struggle with it the most to spread his message. Read into the prophet Saul. I’m Not saying Trump is a prophet I’m just saying it makes 0 sense to judge him when he’s no different from any other political leader.
@@zyneros girl the Bible literally says its not a sin to eat meat, go read Leviticus and Exodus cuz those are great refs to start.Yes there are commandments that say how to slaughter animals but it still means eating meat.
manosphere telling men they are awful and need to pay money for courses to improve themselves is the male version of the makeup industry telling women what insecurities to have and to pay to 'fix' it
Yea, these same guys saying women speak "womanese" will be buying an $1500 e-course from TrustMeBro University called "SECRETS TO DECODING WOMANESE” next weekend. All the tips will be wrong.
@@MetalxMonica That’s one thing that will always disgust me about the manosphere. The audacity to charge men with ridiculously overpriced “course” that doesn’t even work and the very producers go make decisions that contradict their own teachings.
@@IamjustBruh So what DOES work then? If these people with their "courses" have it so wrong, somebody must know what they are talking about somewhere? Who are these men then who do? You obviously know who they are - who are they?
It's ok. I think it's an adjustment period for the whole species since social media made it very accessible to have dumb opinions shared online. I'm sure when cars were first released, people had a massive adjustment period with that, too.
I feel like since this ideology has been around all they needed was something that'll connect them to push it further down many more men and boys' throats. Social Media isn't really a issue as much as we make it to seem. It's just that one of it's buggest positives is also it's greatest negative. Which is it connect many people across the globe.
@@AnjaliDandriyal Social media has been around for decades, all of this happened this year. I’ve never seen anything like it before and I’ve been on social media since 2015
A stealthier question I like to ask is, „What podcasts do you listen to?“ Men will lie if you ask them about Tator Tot because they know how Women feel about him.
We're talking about children and young adults here. These are people who have grown up in modern society where equality is highly emphasized. So this doesn't make any sense, because equality is all they've ever known.
@profcalculus474 it may be emphasized, but not practiced, so they have no idea what equality really is. Because they're still taught the bs people before us were taught like gender roles and racial stereotypes.
My friend’s (now ex) bf got really into the manosphere while they were dating. The things he said and did to her were horrifying. He is single now, his next gf just dumped him. I hope she is okay
This is a sad but good example, I see some people saying in the comments in response to others that “this is just internet talk and is normal. I would just ignore it” like.. did yall not watch the video? This stuff bleeds into real life and causes men to behave violent and threatening to women. This stuff affects real life people. Its not like their opinions and values live in a vacuum.
@@Nonyah123also, why is that the question you are asking? After reading all that, thats your question? Also keeping tabs on the next partner? The new girlfriend? Probably because some people worry about others. Even people they don’t know. Empathy. Ahh, judging by your other comments you a male that is in this sphere. Makes sense. Fighting with ladies in the comments won’t make them change their mind.
I dated a guy for a year and he kept the fact that he was into this content very quiet…the more I see of this the more I see this is EXACTLY how he treated me 😭 gave me the gift of missing him and I gave him the gift of being single
Podcast man: “Do women even have hobbies?” Also Podcast man: “Women should cook, sew, take care of any vulnerable creature, and make the house look nice!” So….cooking, artistry with sewing and possibly embroidery (an art), caring for people and animals (which takes a lot of knowledge), and home decorating/internal design? Hmmmmm!
I have followed one. He used to be a sweet guy but his entitlement to impregnating women didn’t end when he met a lady who wanted that. Found his page recently, there’s a Jordan Peterson quote on the public part of it. He SUCKS. She posts how much she hates him under throwaway handles because parenting is *gasp hard work, that he doesn’t share in.
You might be interested to know that this is happening already. There are lots of longitudinal demographic and attitude studies that have been happening since the 50's. Some of them follow individuals and not just population groups too to see how/if they change over time. Should be really interesting over the next10 years when these start to be published
It's scary how common this is. My boyfriends brother (who is 22/23 now, and we're 28) is living breathing proof of radicalisation to the extreme. We got along great when I first met him at 15 and he was just a sweet and really funny kid who I was happy to somewhat class as a younger brother.. I remember he used to get on really well with the girls in his class so his female friends far outweighed his male friends. Fast forward to him about the age of 20, the biggest narcissist I've ever met, tells his mum to kill herself all the time and that SHE is the reason he is how he is, all of his girl friends from school hate him and 1 of them reported him to the police, his auntie has a restraining order out against him, but he also can't keep a job so now he lives in a tent in a field... The list goes on..
Oh wow. Did he become involved with dr*gs at all during this process or is it just a staunch refusal to conduct himself in a way that is acceptable outside of the manosphere?
I don't think this is a 'manosphere' issue, this is a maturity issue mixed with a really bad experience with women. and now he feels entitled to lash out at the world because of it. with luck he'll get it eventually, but probably not.
Its all about what he did, what you did to cure him? Even asked once? Since, you were the one who knew him since, 15. Where is your efforts, or does it go into connecting him to the manosphere?
While I know not all the men who feel isolated and having an identity crisis aren’t malicious, the type of guys that take it to the point of making it everyone else’s problem scare tf out of me.
I think there is an accidental double negative in your message, but I know what you mean. People who take their trauma out on others are harmful and drop drama everywhere they go.
Agreed but it actually makes me feel worse for those men that aren't malicious, they're just lonely and having a really hard time. It's much more difficult to speak out and ask for help if you think you'll be associated with such a toxic and hateful ideology and that drives them further into isolation. These "movements" aren't just hurting women, they're hurting men too.
To be fair, this male identity/ loneliness crisis is a problem that concerns everyone. Without strong competent and capable men we lose majority of our firefighters, police force, military, engineers, farmers, architects, etc. The world needs men who have a strong sense of self worth and are part of a community. Otherwise we’ll end up with more degenerate losers who can’t provide, protect, or contribute towards society, and that won’t bode well for women who want husbands and children down the line either.
To be fair, the male loneliness/ identity crisis is everyone’s problem. Men make up the majority of firefighters, policemen, military, farmers, architects, engineers, construction workers, etc. What do you think will happen if the all of these positions are left void because men aren’t competent or strong-willed enough to contribute, protect, or provide towards society? This won’t bode well for women who are looking for potential husbands and fathers either.
The amount of videos I’ve seen on this topic makes me both hopeful and afraid. I’m so glad people are confronting it - it’s how we get a hold of the violent propaganda spreading through the internet. But darn, I really had no connection to it and had no idea how bad things have gotten 😢.
@@_salemtovar_ lol, it's just feminist women agreeing with other feminist women and spouting cliches - you're not dismantling anything. If anything videos like yours push more young men toward the manosphere. Men just won an election, you conversing more about the topic shows men how little respect for them and just pushes them more that way. You're clueless.
@@poocrayon4588 ok incelasaurus. The world doesn’t owe you anything. Stay mad and it won’t get you anywhere if you don’t attempt to be better and self reflect
@@poocrayon4588 Did you watch the entire video? Yes she throws in a few jokes but she stayed fair and gave both sides a spot. Media literacy is important if you’re part of the internet! And lastly, this video wasn’t made to bring someone back from the deep end of incel culture but to share an outsider perspective on the manosphere and promote empathy. In the end they are young humans in search of structure and a sense of security, and she is right on that and its important to keep in mind when meeting an alphamalesomething irl.
I mean, sure, yeah, we should have a good responsability of our own body and its safeness....but like, temples are kinda meant to have people in and out, no? unless we are talking about the ones in movies where they have a secret artefact that will avoid the end of the world or something... Now, yeah, that much of parners can be a tricky stituation
I'm tired of men only bringing up men's health in tangentially related spaces. It feels especially childish when it's usually brought up in women-centric issues that they suddenly care that "people don't care enough."
Yk people usually respond negatively to me when I say this but it really makes me feel weird when I see men comment that they've been SA'd and nobody cared and people didn't take it seriously cuz they're boys under posts of women talking about their own SA experience. I understand their experience also matters but It just kinda feels weird when they bring it up to almost 1 up women or something
It would be pretty sick to have spaces where guys could sort out all their baggage with patriarchy without it shifting into a conversation about how men are the sole beneficiaries of patriarchal violence. Hell, most of the male feminist channels I follow pretty consistently fall into the trap of OP bringing up male issues, only for women to engage with the content explicitly from the context of how women have been harmed by men. It gets pretty messy, and I don't want segregation to be the answer, but it gets tricky.
It drives me crazy. Like yeah, men's mental health is a serious issue! No doubt! In fact, I'm a man with poor mental health right now! However, there's a time and a place. We probably need more/better times and places to do so, but still.
As a guy, I always saw it as men not used to being the ones discriminated against, even if a little bit. So for groups that have been discriminated against / oppressed by them for decades, if not centuries, it kinda feels like a child who cries at the smallest cut in front of someone with a dislocated arm.
57:43 “ they actually don’t want to be like Jesus. They want to be GOD. They want God’s power, wrath and judgement.” Ooo girl, you said a WORDDD right there!!! -sincerely, an exvangelical
@@vladimirazubcekova7727 you can simply google the basics of Christianity instead of leaving your inside thoughts as comments with a question mark at the end expecting someone to do the educating for you. Hope that helps.
@@vladimirazubcekova7727 yes, but it is more about that some poeple do not want the human and kind aspecto of jesus, the one that, you know, can and want to be of help to the world...no, no, no, this people want the god, wrath and judgement part of jesus, the one that bring pain and resenment to people
"If we want better men, we need to be better men!" That really is the biggest thing, in my opinion. We need more men to speak out about how to actually be a good man who respects everyone, especially women.
men needing to be better, or often described as 'picking yourself up by your bootstraps' is advise that has been given on ALL men's issues for decades. does it work? NO. it just continues the cycle.
Ironically, the kinda guys who respect everyone especially women are not usually romantically liked by women. I think that's why the menosphere preaches for guys to be more toxic for women to take more of an interest in them.
I recently picked up a book at the library called “men who hate women” by Laura Bates. It’s wild how this movement has been on the rise for the past 5-10 years and how just recently because of the election it has heightened. Hearing the thought process of these men is scary and sad, we are now dealing with more incels than ever and it’s a danger to our society. Highly recommend looking into this book, as the author put herself in these men’s shoes and infiltrated incel and manosphere forums.
You're in an echo chamber and gladly staying there. So you read a book by a woman who "put herself in mens shoes" lol - why dont you just talk to the men?
incredible book! my male partner just finished it too and said he felt that he could have potentially been dragged into that stuff as a teenager, if circumstances were different. highly recommend for men and women to read it.
Fun fact: that is actually the original Swedish title of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo...but the main character was infantalised AND the male hatred was removed from the title in order to appeal to American and British audiences more. I was not proud to be British while doing my research on that. But if you've ever read the books or seen the film, the original title makes absolute perfect sense. Plus, they were written by a man.
Dude at 8:35 has the mindset that drives me up the wall the most. I grew up in the 90’s with parents who did everything in their power to shut down any attempt at crying I made. It was either threats of “knock it off before I give you something to cry about” or some childish attempt at guilting me out of the emotion by calling my manhood into question. You quickly learn to hide the “bad” emotions to avoid the added harassment. Ended up having my own kid and realizing just how easy it is to not traumatize them over stuff like that. Also made me revisit a lot of my old trauma with new eyes and I can safely say, outside of self-defense, damn near every “angry blowup” I can recall could have been avoided if I had felt “safe” expressing a different emotion. Like, it’s not a “female emotion” vs “male emotion”…it’s a HUMAN emotion.
Wow, good for you. Not many people can withstand the discomfort of uncomfortable emotions to regulate themselves and practice emotional safety, and break that cycle of generational trauma. So many of us are ashamed of our own emotions. Manosphere men seem so repressed and afraid.
I'm from India and I'm actually practicing 4B movement right now because here it's really bad for us women, in-law presure, useless husbands who don't even know how to cook and clean after themselves, the entire household responsibility comes down on the women's shoulders and we also have to go to job because two or more people cannot live on a one person salary. It's horrible for women and my mental health will decline from it all so I have personally decided to never get married or have kids because the best I can do is take care of myself and my mental health which is hard to do as is.
@@therollingstone9701 Going 4B literally means opting to remain single. It's an easier lifestyle. By work do you mean do a full time job and come home and do all of the cooking and cleaning? FT, I gave that up and I still don't have cats. I have lots of music instead😊.
Same here, I used to feel bad about it but seeing how the mentality has changed and now finding someone who truly loves you is kind of hard to find, I'm glad that I'm not dating someone.
@@maranne_ It's not hard to find at all if you live life, but you have to go outside all the time to meet people and have a long lasting bond with them for there even to be a point in dating someone... People forgot how we used to get together, because of social media, phones and apps. Very worrysome for the future because a lot of the spaces where people hang out and came together for a low cost are vanishing and closed after covid. Dating is fun if you know the person and have realistic expectations i think.
This whole sentiment of "dying alone" if you're not with a partner was always so weird to me, like... family and friends still exist? Wait till they hear people can be just as if not more fulfilled by just having those 😱
@@GalacticNovaOverlord One problem is the worst kind of guys tend to have the most inflated sense of self confidence and be more likely to approach women while more sensitive, less self-assured men are more likely to be reluctant
My biggest male role model is my father in law. He is jacked, he owns his own construction company, he does well for his family. Any sort of manual labor he can do. By all means he’s a man’s man. He also cries and says i love you more than anyone I’ve ever met. He loves and respects his wife, he also loves and cherishes his children and friendships. THATS a man.
💯👊🏻 Toxic men find toxic women (and vise versa) and *make* grossly negligent ignorant generalizations based on a very small and very broken subset of society. Ephesians men are happily married to Ephesians women. If toxic people looked in the mirror, they’d find their problem instead of blaming everyone and everything else for their own childish ineptitude.
Found your views on the church really refreshing. After dealing with years trauma from the church I’m not in it anymore but I studied theology for many years and it’s rare to hear someone with an educated view on the subject. I do wish more religious people were like you! Faith informed by reason and separation of church and state could really change this country.
agreed. I wish more religious people actually cared about theology. It's super fascinating stuff, and I'm not even religious! It's just fun to read about :)
@@LoudLeo3 I'm very sorry that you experienced trauma in the church. True Christianity and faith in Christ cures trauma, not creates it. I can't speak for the people who hurt you, but Jesus Christ came to save the lost and help those in need, and we as human beings all get it wrong, however that's not a representation of Christ, but instead shows the truth of how messy humans are. I will push back on the separation of church and state. I don't believe that people understand what they are asking for when they wish that to be the case. I'm a Christian myself and when I was less serious and informed about my faith (so less well read on the Bible, less informed on the radical impact the church and Christian values have had throughout history and the current world we live in and when I took my relationship with God less seriously) I also believed in a separation of church and state being the answer and that being able to produce goodness. However, the more I learnt about why the bible says the things it does and about the nature of God, I learnt that there's reason and logic to the universe, we're not just a bunch of random reactions, but instead are living beings with purpose and consciousness, that have been created in the image of a great and wonderful creator. The more we move away from biblical principles and morals, the more we see societies decay and people suffer. There's a reason why one of the most prominent atheists of our modern day, Richard Dawkins, stated that if given the choice, he'd rather live in a Christian society. Secular humanism doesn't work, morally or logically, and deep down, people know this. I genuinely pray that you come to know Jesus Christ, the true Jesus Christ, not one that's been twisted and changed to suit a narrative, but the one who died for you, knew you long before you were born, made you with intention and has a plan for your life that exceeds anything you could ever think of or imagine. I pray this over anyone who reads this comment also, God bless ❤️
@@Eme281 until Christians figure out how to deal with Queer folks I’m afraid trauma is very much baked into your system. I minored in religious studies in college long before I left the church. With all due respect I do not want my daughter being taught Christianity is school and unless you want Islam and Buddhism controlling your laws we all should maybe get with this idea that spirituality and religion are matters for the home. The reason I’d never follow your Christ again is because you think it’s okay to put it on other people who want nothing to do with it. I’d much rather followers do a little more “they’ll know your my followers by the way you live” not through indoctrination in schools or laws based on your belief system. The same way you might feel about “liberal” indoctrination in schools, other families feel the same way about your beliefs. Please love God however you see fit but hear me when I say your communities attitude about Church and State does actively hurt people.
@LoudLeo3 One thing we can't do as followers of Christ is condone sin, doesn't mean we all always get it right, but if we are to fully emulate Christ, we mustn't condone sin. That's sin of all kinds, even ones that people declare are their lifestyles and wear as their identities, which is a major issue of sin because it will have you believing that your identity is the sin, instead of your identity being an image bearer of the most high God. That's what the devil does, takes God's creation and twists it, to the point where we'll look back at our own creator, and curse his name, which in turn, brings death, despair, and destruction onto ourselves and those around us, even those we love the most. The devil will twist everything good, right and just, especially love, and make it grotesque and self-seeking. A removal of Biblical values is a removal of God and when God is gone, evil will take the place. Universal truths and moral laws exist, regardless of time or society, these values hold true because they are baked into the fabric of life itself, e.g. thou shall not kill. So other beliefs and societies can get certain things right because, like I previously said, they are universal truths that are hard to escape, however with a rejection of Jesus Christ, those beliefs and societies will eventually trip up somewhere and go tumbling down a dark and godless path, just look into the islamic prophet Mohammad and his children bride, Aisha, and the fruit of that showing it's self most recently in the new law they are trying to pass regarding the age of consent in Iraq. It's disgusting. In fact many of the islamic teaching are incredibly problematic, so that's why I can push back against it, because it's immoral and illogical. Going back to secularism and humanism, the fruit of that is Darwinism and atrocities like Nazi Germany, were the most desirable lived and the weak, vulnerable and socially undesirable died horrific and inhuman deaths. In a society like that, morality is subjective and truth doesn't exist, and that's terrifying. You're also fully correct that I wouldn't want my kids to learn certain things in school, in a society were teachers are allowed to over step and override your authority as a parent, where young and impressionable kids are being taught that a mental health condition is resolved by mutilating ones body and making them a forever patient for evil corporations to endlessly profit off, rather than dealing with the issue in their minds (completely making the medical hippocratic oath completely null and void), you're 100% right I wouldn't want my kids being subject to that, because it's immoral and illogical. Also, you say that you don't want your child being taught Christianity, but I'm sure you're perfectly fine with them adhering to most of the 10 commandments, so no stealing, so committing adultery, no wanting what others have to the point where it makes them envious and jealous, no murdering, no lying about someone's character and I'm sure you'd want them to honour and respect you as their parent. I'm also sure you'd want them to treat people how they'd want to be treated, and also take care of the poor, orphans and widows and generally people in need. I'm also sure you'd want them to always do the right thing and help someone if it's within their capacity to do so at any given moment, to be forgiving, selfless, truthful, etc, I could go on and on, but I'm sure you get the gist. People claim they want nothing to do with Christianity and the God that created everything, but will unknowingly steal from His moral law and then act like they came to knowledge of it completely outside of Him. You may have minored in religious studies, but studying doesn't equate to understanding. The issue with a godless society is that it always ends up being self-seeking, immoral, illogical and affirming of things that make someone feel good, thst eventually leads to their's and others destruction.
@Eme281 you really should listen to yourself...beginning with the part of calling someone "lost". This is actually the start of every dysfunctional relationship which is making someone believe that they are nothing and there is no good in themselves aside from one thing or one person that they should follow if they have any hope for goodness in their life. What makes you think someone wants a god that thinks you're crap unless you follow him and will burn you up if you don't? Good thing people are waking up from such an awful belief system. And the idea that secular humanism can't exist is wrong but I can see why you would tell yourself that because then you would have to come to terms that your entire belief system is based off of a lie. You then go on to use straw man arguments while completely ignoring that those same arguments could be used against Christianity. Guess what? Christians also killed hundreds of people for not believing in Christianity. There have been horrible crimes committed on behalf of Christianity. But of course, you'll say that those were isolated incidents and that Christianity doesn't teach that (although the killing of babies and women was completely sanctioned and commanded by god). It truly is no wonder why so many Christians act the way they do towards others. If you are taught that humans are at their worst and they have no goodness, how else would you go about treating people than giving them what you think they absolutely deserve? Meanwhile, if your belief system starts with that all humans are inherently good and can be good completing on their own, that might just change your worldview and how you see and treat people.
What has always struck me as being odd about most men, is that they are so concerned with impressing other men. They need male validation more than they need women's approval. It is just so weird. They say they want women, but won't do anything to make themselves more appealing as a partner. They would rather be cool and "manly" for the approval of their bros. I don't get it.
In my own opinion I wholeheartedly believe you should not be trying to impress anyone because it will just lead you to crave that gratification and validation, you should not want to turn yourself into a person that does that because that's ends up making someone a suckup who makes everyone else feel good just to be treated like trash 90% of the time
They hate women, they hate that they want us, they don't view us as human. I didn't believe it at first, but listen to their words and watch their actions, it's all there.
I'm an outlier because I'm married but I think it's because men have been taught to be a leader (not a bad thing if done right). It's a very tribe mentality and men won't try to impress another man that they don't want to be like, at this point though I've learned the only person I want to impress is my wife, my future kids and my family
I agree that a lot of young men get into manosphere because of a lack of purpose and direction. Straight guys I know that have a strong sense of self, identity, or purpose don't become like this even when they're lonely and unpopular with girls. They know who they are and don't need society to tell them they're an alpha or whatever.
Um, thats the purpose of the manosphere - is to give men who lack purpose and direction exactly that, by telling them to get into the gy, get in shape, improve their career, work on their style, charisma etc Are you against all that, or something? You seem clueless tbh.
@@keithcommins There's nothing wrong with that, but teaching them to hate women and that all women are bad, and then on top of that taking advantage of their insecurities by selling them courses is just wrong. You can teach men to do all these good things without preaching toxic messages about women and relationships.
@@kassd4169 *There's nothing wrong with that* The thing is - THERE IS a lot wrong with that, according to these people. Are you saying otherwise? Can you name ONE prominent "influencer" who outright "hates women" (with quotes please) and who has said "all women are bad". About courses - how do you know the courses sold are inherently bad or "take advantage of insecurities?" Can you name ONE person who fits this bill, and name the course he sells that does this? I presume you've taken the course yourself then, and know it to be this way? *You can teach men to do all these good things without preaching toxic messages about women and relationships* Do you agree, yes or no -that women are capable of being toxic...and often have a darker side, and that men should be knowledgeable about this? Yes or no answer please. Or are saying women are perfect angels who can do no wrong?
@@kassd4169 Also - subReddits like "Female Dating Strategies" where women congregate to exchange tips on effectively take men for all they can in terms of time and money, I presume have the same feelings about them, as you do the "Manosphere?" Or Facebook groups like "Are we Dating the Same Guy", where women gather to effectively shame men? Do you not think its strange that nobody seems to care about that, and other similar environments and influencers like that push what is an undeniably toxic message? Odd how thats the case.
@keithcommins No, obviously there are toxic women (and men) and people should be aware of that. But it becomes a problem when you label ALL women (or men) as toxic. And that's the thing, I see influencers doing just that, on both sides. Women will say men are all bad and toxic, and men will say women are all bad and toxic and make a bunch of false claims about them. I can't name any names because I don't remember them, but I've heard men say things like "women aren't capable of taking accountability", "women can't/won't actually love you", "women only want to use men as wallets", "women are liars and cheaters" (I hear that same statement from women about men too, btw), "women aren't capable of empathy ", and then in groups like the mgtow movement, they teach that women are so bad that you're better off not dating at all. Don't you think those messages are bad for men? Hearing and believing that takes away their hope of having a relationship, and then makes them bitter and angry at women cause they think women can't love them. And that's honestly a sad message to be preaching. Yes, there are bad women, but you can't lie and say ALL women are like that. And it's not just those men that say that, there are women saying that same kind of stuff too, that men aren't responsible, loving, empathetic, emotionally intelligent, that they're all cheaters and liars. And then we end up having movements like the 4b because women end up thinking all men are so bad that they better just give up on ever wanting to get married. These are very toxic, divisive messages to be telling people.
i care about men's mental health as much as i care about women's. but it so annoying to see that men are using their fallen brothers and countless men struggling in order to "win" some useless argument online. i get it, the world has made it so men are only allowed to cry when they are 0-2 years old, but that's no excuse to use others trauma or attempts as a weapon. it makes no sense to sit there and say that you care about men's mental health yet you only talk about it when women are expressing their own mental health. its not a challenge to see who has it the worse, its an experience and adventure for all to join arms and explore. if you truly cared, you'd give ur bro a hug instead crying out your regrets to his grave. and to all the men out there who feel like no one is there, trust me there are people who notice you, see you, and love you. keep going dude.♥💪🏾
The only men whose mental health I would care about ATP are just relatives and friends. I would’ve supported the men’s mental health movement, but I immediately stopped when they started blaming every woman for their bad mental health on Twitter and TikTok like WTF y’all legit think EVERY SINGLE woman causes bad mental health for men!? No bro 😂
@@messyking508 "They"? So every man is a monolith? *sigh* ... Look, if you constantly tell people that they're the problem ... eventually, they will agree. Think about that.
It’s not even just young men being easily influenced. A male family member of mine in his late 30s (AND married with kids) suddenly fell into to this extreme mindset… like…
I have recently changed studies and I have entered a class full of men somewhat younger than me and it is a rather unpleasant environment. I have been in classes like this before and there was not the same competitiveness, aggressiveness and insecurity that I breathe in this class. It is terrible to see how the same person profile (STEM guys) has changed so much and so badly in such a short time, since I only have a four-year age difference with them and I do not remember my colleagues (so) egocentric, angry and insecure
@@spawn3721 i fully condemn nick Fuentes and his content however Americans have been doing the your body my choice on baby boys genitals aka circumcision for decades
@@flashliberty5467unaltered I agree that circumcision is bad but this really isn't the time and place to bring it up... it's like stumbling into the hospital after being shot with the gun and the receptionist tells you "um OK... I got stabbed before though, so..."
I’m sorry but how can someone say things like “YOUR body, MY choice” towards and demographic of HALF THE PLANET and think you’re in the right? like that’s just objectively absurd and crazy. I’m very afraid of how the young boys are being indoctrinated from older men who are supposed to give them guidance and good examples. They are impressionable for a reason and the “rich”guys on the internet aren’t giving out their “advice” for the kids’ best interests. It’s especially sad considering how the 2024 election went down. I thought the alpha male community would die down or at least, not grow bigger but it’s really tragic for the women everywhere. I’m praying for my sisters 🙏🙏 I’m not religious but I’m praying hard 😭
For the first point, nick Fuentes likely believes this, he doesn't care that he's right, just that he gets what he wants, but he also likely plays up the character for attention
You can't convince me these types of guys aren't actually very gay and just coping horribly. If they'd just date each other it'd save the rest of us so much peace.
Can I be completely honest? I do not like the whole “this is a gender war, both men and women need to sort themselves out” rhetoric because it doesn’t really hold up in places that have already carried a very gendered culture with them throughout the ages. I’m from South Africa and a lot of African cultures are already based on women being submissive, men being catered to etc. Women have historically and are currently doing nothing here other than saying, “ you know I think I want to choose my husband more carefully/ I think I want to focus on my career/ I think I want to date women/ I think I want to wait till I have kids”, sentiments which have nothing to do with men personally and they are taking this as a personal attack, this coupled with the growth of the whole manosphere movement have not only lead to an increase in misogyny but also a huge uptick in violence against women across Africa. South Africa has already had a problem with gender based violence but this stuff has exasperated the issue even though women haven’t done anything that makes it look like they “hate men”. So no, for a large majority of the rest of the world I feel like this being looked at as a “men need to simmer down BUUT so do women” doesn’t really apply and I feel like it feeds into the age old notion that women just need to be more gentle, more understanding, more caring and soft and then men will chill out when the only reason why they’re freaking out is because other men are not only fabricating lies about how women generally function but also deliberately telling them how to behave. I’m not saying that this is 100% what Salem is saying at all and I think this video was really great, but the point that was brought up about how men and women need to simmer down and converse, which I do think is important, that prompted me to bring up this point- so people are aware that this point doesn’t always universally work.
She's speaking from the perspective of an American. Of course there are other countries where women are still heavily oppressed and women don't even have a voice much less ownership of themselves. In the US, that isn't the case. In the States, the climate is definitely at the point where we can say that both men and women need to simmer down and converse. Because there are very clear areas where women are absolutely in the wrong, from our demands on men to be both hyper-masculine and sensitive, to double standards of women being able to flirt or joke about minors or very young men, joke about drugging men or even openly admit to doing it (Cardi B), etc etc. The man hatred conversation is also pretty rampant and gross. My brother, one of the sweetest most sensitive souls ever, had a group of teenage girls tell him he and all men need to die because they are men. And this rhetoric is VERY common online and irl with gen z. Imagine a man saying that to a young woman. We've swung the pendulum too far in the other direction, and it's time for us to sit down and talk. This is a conversation happening in the West, we're not saying that people from countries that have visible and overt oppression need to follow the same protocol.
@@Nonyah123 Yeah but at the same time we've been having the same conversations for centuries with men, they don't really listen. And a lot of those double standards have been perpetuated by other men, those women learned to parrot that behavior from men, at some point yes we need to call out the double standards but we can't genuinely get a handle on it and change things until the men finally do. This is a patriarchy problem, not a "Both sides need to chill and talk" problem.
You don't realize that you saying "men don't have problems, its the women that have the real problems" is literally THE problem men are having. Systems exists. Some eligible individuals participate in those systems. Others do not, or maybe cannot due to special factors. For the ones who are not actively participating in the system, and still have problems (believe it or not, its possible), to constantly be treated as if they are an active participant in it, which is to be met with disdain, distrust, and dismissiveness, is very hurtful. And if you just go "boo hoo" to that, well then don't be surprised when the men that were hurting but weren't really a threat before turn into Andrew Tate clones because they were abandoned.
What makes me most annoyed is the attitude like this is somehow women's fault. l'm sorry that the last ten years have subjected you to cringey movies, and I'm sorry your gender has been the butt of a few jokes. I genuinely don't think the solution to misogyny is to say "all men suck" etc. But fascism is a little bit of an overreaction... I'm just sick of the false equivalences. Decades of systemic oppression is not the same as a few years of 'woke' movies. I've literally seen men equate circumcision to abortion... Again, I'm sorry you feel like you had your choice taken away, but how exactly is that women's' fault? Blame your parents. And moreover, how many men are bleeding out for 40 hours in hospital beds because of a circumcision? Same thing as the draft arguement, how many men are dying right now because of a draft? Oh yeah, zero (I'm also pretty certain that if the government did put a draft in place, most women/liberal thinkers would be against it). It makes me think that the bulk of this movement isn't really outrage about a specific problem men are facing today, it's just aggrieved entitlement. "When privilege is all you've ever known, equality feels like oppression". The people stoking the flames are just grifters, they don't care about the young men they're exploiting, it's honestly really sad. Women didn't get handed anything, we had to fight for DECADES to get the most basic rights. And yet somehow we're the emotional, sensitive ones who overreact... I've really noticed a pattern here. It's like how racists will complain about everyone else being a 'snowflake' and then get upset when someone makes a white people taco night joke. The projection is simply insane. Anyway, rant over. I genuinely think parents need to step up though. Teach your sons basic media literacy, and give them a hug for the love of God.
All things being equal, From Second-Wave Feminism to now, there haven't exactly been an abundance of spaces for people to examine the ways women are complicit in maintaining the status quo. From Political Lesbianism to 4B, the seething undercurrent of feminism has seemingly been "All of our problems will be solved if men just fall in line," which is a very easy line of argumentation to be coopted by a system that argues the most effective way to live is to dominate the opposition.
The whole "Do women even have hobbies." Is freaking ironic. Most of the guys I've dated did not have hobbies, unless you count drinking and staring at their phone all day. Yet, most of the women I know have an active hobby that keeps the mind and hands busy, in spite of already having a full plate working, going to school, and taking care of the family/ home.
@Muscaplays as I explained above, most of the men I've dated weren't actually my preference. Just guys who came onto me, usually several times before I finally just figured I'd give them a chance. I rarely even see the type of guys I'm into, and usually when I do they're with someone, I'm with another wrong one, or it's in a city nowhere near where I live (like at a concert.) I think since the original claim is anecdotal, although the way he says it just sounds like a flat out lie meant to make women seem less than men, it doesn't really matter if I'm using my own anecdotal evidence.
@@c.p.8040 It is fair to say to dismiss an anecdotal argument with an anecdotal counter argument. But we have to acknowledge either argument doesn’t serve as evidence
whats sadder is the ppl who need to see this probably dont follow you/watch your content 😭 we need to like trick them into seeing more content like this
thing is, men should do their part of talking about these topics... but most of the videos like salem's are only created by women - and the boys watching manosphere content will most likely not be able to hear women say these things...
@@dhyana7880 exactly this, especially after seeing the stats of women who go more left leaning and men going more far right, it explain why there are less men who made this type of videos and talks about this topic
No, this is the problem. You shouldn't trick people into listening to you. You should have a real, human conversation with people. Listen to them, respond with compassion and understanding. Share your perspective respectfully. Don't attack them, but instead challenge their ideas with thoughtful questions and perspectives. Truly seek to understand where they are coming from and a more productive, human reaction will come from that. We need to treat these men with humanity and respect because that is what they feel they lack in the world. Work to be a solution to the problem instead of treating these men as if they are intrinsically evil and need to be tricked into critical thinking and compassion.b
@@thomasschrader8272 i don’t think anyone talked about tricking people, and if you’ve been paying attention to the video here, it is empathetic, compassionate towards these men and boys. It also holds them in higher regards than the manosphere content does imo, as it treats them as people capable of growth and emotional intelligence. So i don’t really know where you’re coming from. Sorry you view this discussion in such a narrow way.
My bad i thought you were answering to me. But regarding the first comment i think the person was trying to convey the fact that these men and boys reach a point where hearing out Salem’s points becomes difficult because of the content they’re watching and that we should find a way for them to stumble across it and at least get a chance at another view of the world, at least not such a destructive one they’re experiencing bc of the manosphere
I think it is an interesting distinction that men center their 'growth' around women while women who want to work on themselves just paint their nails, go to therapy and do some yoga. Like, if you despise women and everything they stand for so much then... Don't? Don't sleep around or look for a traditional wife. Don't define your male identity just by how different it is from the female. Go for a walk, get a hobby, maybe a pet. Hang out with your buddies. If you don't like women then just don't.
There was a school shooting in my town of mount horeb Wisconsin. Done by a middle schooler boy. and I found the kids manifesto/website , and this was the type of content that they watched and they talked sm about the manosphere. This is the kind of content that creates school shooters.
@@gardenstate732A self help group that became toxic. Just like the incel community. The incel community was hijacked by men like this. It was created by a woman to help have better advice for relationships.
One thing that really bothers me is that men think that they can't have role models that are women. Why can't we?! Most of my role models are women (possibly because so many men don't know how tf to act in a society, but whatever). In the absence of good male role models, I say we normalize men having female role models :D
For real. I like don’t wanna talk to dudes half the time unless someone else I know already knows them and knows they are safe. Edit: The other half I just don’t trust any people. Lmao.
It's the internet, it has always been this way. People have a bad day or something , they go online spew some nonsense at random people and nobody cares, you should not take it personal i think.
@@roninjolin7687 ones in a "non-alpha" mentality are like Destiny, who willingly become a cuck and ends up having the GF just leave for the bull completely while guys like Destiny end up single and back at square one.
hey, stay strong, ok? I hope you're gonna be ok. I'm sure people around you care about you, don't be scared to reach out to people who can support you. Ask them for help if you need it. Most of the time, when someone leaves us, people around them wish they could have helped. It's gonna be ok, somehow, ok? big hugs Lynsheree
I'm so happy my 11yo is happily watching how to train your dragon and futurama and MY LITTLE PONT whilst home sick. Must protect this precious boy. I also have him join me at Muay Thai, which is full of great male role models outside of the home for him to be influenced by. And just me, as the biggest female figure in his life, I hope I'm being a great support for him to develop healthily. So scared, high school starts next year
@danaco9942 Australia. It just goes primary 1-6, then high school 7-12, so what 5-6 year old year 1, graduate primary 11-12yo. There is no middle school or whatever here. Graduate high-school at 17-18yo
We gotta teach young people in general that no matter how many riches you have, it won't make you happy. Comparing it to a person living a normal and humble life, the person who is humble will always win.
@@delighted9062 If you're loved unconditionally maybe, well we don't have that privilege. It's one of many conditions we have to fulfill to not be casted out. It's just really convenient to say as a woman, you're not the one who has to spend decades alone until death puts an end to the agonizing loneliness.
@XavierRenegadeAngel I've been lonely before. Trust and believe e that. I know how it feels to be alone and casted to the side. Throughout my school life and even at home. The only person that loves you unconditionally is God.
@@XavierRenegadeAngelyou think men wanting to use our body means we’re not lonely? Do you know how lonely it is to not be valued for who you are? Women at least have tried caring about men as individuals but the same cannot be said the other way around
I'm married, kids are on the horizon and me and the wife have a dog and a little cottage home and this is honestly all I could ever ask for. It's easy to dream about riches and having mansions and cars but I'd give it all away to have a great marriage and family
I grew up thinking about me creating a family and caring for kids, worrying about the toxic ‘timeline’ for women, but these years really make me rethink all my plans and life goals and trying to embrace to be comfortable and love myself first before trying to get into any relationship. I don’t need to settle down or chasing love, I don’t need to ‘fix’ someone. I believe if there’s really someone for me, I will find them one day.
So women having choice in their partners, careers, lives is an attack on men. These men never considered that maybe the reason their life is difficult is because of other men or what we like to call the Patriarchy. Women aren't telling these men to grind, to not have feelings, to buy stupid cars.....men are telling men what women want.
Woman before had no rights, but they always been protected and claimed only for exist For a woman is 100 times more easy to get a patner, for a men, no. Always. Now you have womens with choice in their patners, careers, equal rights but the same protection than before, and also the same advantages to getting couples easy or being loved only for exist. Men have no advantages now... And still have the same disadvantages. Yo understand a little more?
Mansplaining a woman’s role to women? God forbid he do the hard thing and reflect on what a good husband’s responsibilities are that would actually prepare him for a good wife? Too bad the “good” wife misogynists purport is not the same “good wife” God commands.
My husband has always been like a dad to his little brother, and recently I’ve tried to support him in doubling down on that, because it’s hard out here
As one of the single, crazy cat ladies, I would love to find a lasting relationship. Sadly, it feels like such a big risk anymore. It's difficult to know whom to trust, even when trying to be optimistic. I think, for now, not dating is the right move (for me). But, hoping that'll change soon.
The radical manosphere and whatever this content creator falls under have one thing in common. They treat the other gender as a monolith. To them women or men are the problem. They never consider that there are some great normal people (Men and women) out there. They are always looked over and we give all the attention to the bad apples. We know these good people they are our friends, family coworkers, etc. Have hope there are many great men out there, I hope you find one ❤
Put it this way. I have a 21 year old nephew, whom I hope no girl gives the time of day. Between his constant need to self aggrandize, bitching that everyone else is stupid, and his refusal to take even the most basic advice... No woman deserves the headache. Now, I love that young man with my whole heart, but I'm not blind to what he's like. It just means I'm praying with all my might that time and age will force him to grow up.
hhh this is why i prefer fictional men... real people nowadays tend to act like this because they were influenced by social media. even some men i used to know irl did bad things towards women 😥
Exactly. And it’s heartbreaking to see former friends become that. Like, you saw them go from silly to piece of sh!t, It’s exhausting. I stick to my bois like Link, Sidon, ASTARION, and others like that vibe.
The real question is why do young men find these "alpha male" archetypes aspirational. They see these men with women. If women stop validating and chasing men like that, men will stop wanting to be like them. Period
I mainly agree with this video. But I don’t like the notion “nowadays” bc to be honest it always been like this. Many minority groups were oppressed, and woman has always been treated horribly throughout history. And many other things. I feel like these are not new problems it’s just we’re more aware of them. And also I would like to add that the economy is why parents seem to be less into children’s lives. Like personally my parents always had to work all the time just to make sure we had food on the table. Because the government we live in doesn’t even try to help us with our basic needs. I don’t want to say it’s parents fault 100% because Ik a lot of parents have to work a lot just to keep the lights on. This has been proven through statistics and such. It’s sad but overall great video
Personally i think this is a phenomenon the developing man brain goes through, because millenials guys were pretty bad and some grew up quite nicely, some did not.
@@leotardbansheenot really I feel like it’s mainly about culture. Think about it in the 1900s a lot of men thought it was normal to hit their wives, and they should stay at home and if they have a job it should only be certain jobs that “naturally would be a job woman would have” like being a nurse. And throughout history woman were seen as property and so on and so on. I don’t think it’s just development bc misogyny against woman is actually really normalized in society which is really sad. (To the point I feel like woman participate in misogyny a bit theirselves. Even me though I would say I’m pretty left leaning and a big feminist) like I said throughout history most nations and cultures treated woman as if they were second human.
I don't thnk it's the economy as much as the technology. I grew up poor, not the no-electricity level of poor but sometimes it was hard to get food on the table. But my parents keep an eye on me 24/7 and on the media I was consuming. With my 12 years younger brother, they are just too tired. The world is going too fast and they are exhausted, so of course they won't monitor what exactly he's doing like they did with me.
As a man, I agree with most of what you're saying here. I do think that there is a version of this going on for women too, and I'm not talking about the extreme AB4 movement thing. The internet has ruined many things in society today, unfortunately
4B is for safety. I think you mean that strange hypergamy and manipulative stuff. So glad I didn't let my son do social media as a teen and got him volunteering instead. He had the opportunity to discover himself, overcome challenges and just stay away from folks trying tell him what a man versus him getting to discover who he is as a person and define manhood from his own point of view
I grew up in a very Mormon, conservative household. My brothers are already pretty sexist because of that, but as they went into high school, I saw such a big change in them. They will make sexist jokes, they will say things like “woman belong in the kitchen” and “woman are too emotional” and it breaks my heart. I’ve tried so so hard to get my mind out of that, and out of the church, and I just wish they could too.
This trend is happening around the world across different cultures. Women are becoming more progressive while men embrace the far-right. It has to be social media.
Hmm interesting, cos there are women who push far right ideologies just in a benevolent way. A lot of female dating advice is benevolently sexist and patriarchal which is far right no?
This is the universe..a cycle is coming to a close ..the divine feminine is returning and you are currently at the end of a particular timeline so you are seeing that reflection in social interactions AS ABOVE SO BELOW
Boys/men around should thank women like you who come from space of being empathetic/compassionate to them internalizing this radical content and the effects because I know for a fact no man would ever come out with a compassionate video on the toxic side of womanhood/dating and tell their male viewers what the root causes of all this chaos is coming from and to STILL give us grace through figuring ourselves/problems out. That's why I love women! Our empathy is a superpower but should be given out VERY sparingly. This video essay is why I'm a firm believer of women being true leaders in situations that need structure. Great video!👏🏾
I’d also add, that this is nit just the empathy peace, understanding where they are getting things from, but the compassionate piece. The part that gives grace. Empathy is understanding where someone comes from, their shoes, and lacking it is not a crime. But lacking compassion is lacking the care for other people. Compassion is caring, even if you don’t always understand or have the ability to empathize.
Ah yes, let's generalize all men, and also "assure" them by telling them "how lucky" they are that a woman is even giving them the time of day in a single video. This isn't condescending or backhanded at all. Definitely doing do your part to bridge the gap between genders . . . .
@sirebellum0 she made a video about boys/men affected negatively in the manosphere. This is a very specific video and I'm specifically giving my opinion on THAT GROUP. You made this about all men in general, not me. Instead of searching for a reason next time, use your inference and read the room.
it's interesting bc in general i do feel women video essayist always do this they try and see the understanding from the other side which is why i fw their videos a lot. the men on the other hand again not saying all of them but a lot of them esp those incel tate clones always tend to just focus on one side and then it just becomes an echo chamber where the only takeaway you get is to hate women further. we need more video essayist like this and thankfully we already have tons of women like salem, caring and nurturing individuals and women who try and see it from both sides but ultimately agree that love and nuture is the most important thing and to help these young men out of this hole. and as a young gen z man myself who doesn't fall for any of the incel crap and is very progressive and socialist btw but i appreicate the help from women like herself, yourself and nearly all women in general and i'm greatful for what you guys are trying to do so keep it up as i support it.
@ogome2927 we appreciate you as well, beloved. Continue your road of self development no matter how hard the path is. Whether you're a man or woman, the societal pressure just to exist isn't an easy one, but we have to say f*ck these systems and do whatever is right for your own accession. Your ears and your mind are open. That's a start!🩷
The problems are this Entitlement and heirarchy obession They cant even orient themselves in the world without competition and that means someone always needs to be on the bottom. They have no concept of self esteem without it. They do not find fulfillment from being prosocial, they believe dominance will get them what they want with less sustained effort.
bro i honestly can't even think of any positive teenage boy appropriate influencers. granted, im not a teenage boy so its not in my algorithm but there should be ONE ive heard of?! I LIVE on the internet.
I think this also points to a larger issue which is that there is almost no content made for teens anymore in any medium. They’re turning 14 and being thrust into adult discourse that they don’t have the context or capacity to really metabolize
@@Anarchangel349 I was thinking this same thing while watching this video. It's the same problem as her video about the lack of "third spaces" for teens and Sephora pre-teens.
As a muslim I 100% agree with your take! Our religions are so similar and so many men nowadays use it as a weapon when it was never meant to be in the first place. They also be hella inaccurate following its teachings
No offense, but all monotheistic religions state that women are "men's property" and should "submit to their husbands" so idk where you got the "it was never meant like this in the first place". Religion is the one teaching men to behave like this. Read your scriptures.
@@mazhiang_dishia_ The actual texts literally worship Women, Lmao. Some of the specific laws came in later but are nit apart of the main texts, or are from new editions made by men.
From what I’ve read I feel like it can really depend on the edition and translation, but yes. So much of religion wasn’t made with that intention but was added onto or utilized by horrible men.
@@mazhiang_dishia_There is nothing wrong with a wife submitting to their husbands because it comes with a caviar. Men should provide for and protect their wives. Women should respect and love their husbands. When God created this world, he made human beings in pairs and gave each pair different anatomy and physiology. So what you say is just ignorant.
Assalamualaikum brothers and sisters! First time watching! This was really funny and well put together, you go sister! Me and my friends are young men. 19-23 years old. We had to let go of a few brothers because they wouldn't shut up about this alpha poison. If you you have to call yourself alpha, it's not a good look. Once again thank you for the amazing video!
@elise2892 It's less a social media and you can choose to watch cute videos and have a more anonymous profile and not interact in the comments more easily than in other platforms
Focus on yourself and your goals. And be very cautious of who you let close. I feel like younger ppl have very low standards right now . Please don’t be one of them 🥲. Yall deserve so much better.
@@FabiolaRVela as a man, I can say that is very good advice. Mostly that's the advice what we get on manosphere channels. _Edit_ : I don't follow AndrewTate, Fresh&fit clowns etc. Most of the cutscene in this _blabla_ was unknown for me and I wouldn't agree with those. Stepping up and take charge led me to a beautiful soul, respectful and feminine and has a father in her life. She's solid 6 out of 10, but her humble personality lift her up to top.
For real. We can’t even get over ableism because we value fake leaders as reasonable when they say not doing a job their way with their ethics (none) makes you useless, all because they have made up currency, and have everything from hoarding and cruelty, on a planet that GIVES US EVERYTHING FOR FREEEEEE. We would be able to create, help one another, and continue to progress if we let go of unsustainable goals and higherarchies.
Its very weird how incels have become kinda mainstream. Even incel terms like looksmaxxing, chads, staceys, beckys, etc. Like idk how to describe it other than y'all are weird as hell. Maybe a woman would like you if you just acted normally idk man 😭 My friend group is pretty mixed men and women and i have two younger brothers and im honestly so happy I've never heard that type of talk from any of them, but we're all in our 20s. It's so scary for teenage boys growing up on brainrot :/
My little bother has fallen for that bs 😭 he hates any and all women for NO reason! In result he has lost his only sister (ME) has no friends, and literally can NOT talk to women… I tried changing his mind but I guess he wants to end up alone and hated. I’ve let him go completely AND ITS SAD.
@@Howitgoes799 they weren't in the incel community but then they kinda were when they made it out of there, but now they're kinda not again. So yes and no.
Idk why im more concerned about other peoples kids than they are. I wasn't planning on having kids, but me and my husband left the option open (no permanent birth control). im 32. take my whole Uterius im good. Aint bringing a child into this hellhole.
Heard someone say that this is how your ideology loses. I guess it won’t matter to people with the mindset cause you’ll be dead eventually and it won’t be your problem. Ok then
Harmful generalization of an entire gender, gross, please continue to educate yourself accordingly and hold yourself accountable as well as others, thanks 🙏
You're right. Read what @happymelt wrote for confirmation that they refuse to take accountability, they will always play the victim, and they will not talk to each other.
@@AG-iu9lv you're very welcome, care to enlighten me on why we cannot communicate together and have to communicate with our respective gender? I find that pretty ignorant of a large majority of people yes? And also you are correct! The 🙏 is used as a high five AS WELL as for prayer, of course I'm not a religious boy but I thought you might be able to use it, have a good day! :) ♥️
Salem's voice is so soothing. I keep trying to watch this video, but im sick and ive fallen asleep 3 times to it now soooo guess ill have to try again when im not sick and likely to fall into a soothing-voice induced coma
every woman is free to do what she wants in her life, if she wants to marry or be a "crazy" cat lady (which sounds fantastic) is her decision. You can't rely your hapiness in an external relationship, because everything changes, one day you might be with a person and in the other not, at the end of the day it's important to work on your own hapiness.
@@f1mbultyr this. I’d argue that community is the most important thing, romantic relationships aren’t necessary, they’re an add on. I’ve been single for 3 years, decided to not date at all and decided to foster my friendships and I feel really content and at peace tbh.
Parents not parenting for real, I feel like a lot of us are going into the adult world just straight up not knowing everything and our parents expecting us to be fully functional right at 19. The human brain isn’t fully matured till 25 and most of Gen Z STILL live with their parents thanks to the economical climate. I’m genuinely scared for gen alpha and kids and how they’re eventually gonna be adjusting to adulthood
I think that has a lot to do with women defending themselves on the back foot. We know that the aggression comes from their own insecurities. Let em know they're a buncha dorks.
@@katwinabee just show indifference. I’m sure most of these guys are narcissists with main character syndrome and that is one of the worst things you can do, not acknowledging them
GEN X woman here, and first time listening to you. I really understand this better now. Thanks for doing what you're doing. Keep it up, I'm here for it.
I already live the lifestyle of the 4B movement because I’m only sixteen but I can honestly see myself continuing living that lifestyle as I grow older. At school, I hear my male classmates talk about “Alpha Male” stuff and also the degrading girls along with it. It’s, sad to see and hear because (if they want to) these are future husbands and fathers or in general people in society. I just hope it’s a phase and learn who they are, not the people they watch.
You’re a teenager. Don’t let a raging feminist trick you out of meeting a man and having children. Every relationship comes with a risk. Normal sane people want relationships and families. Bitter people spread it to others. Misery loves company
@@inkyandthebrain Oh, you again, the self-pitying projecting L 😂 Honestly think you could do better if only you realised the irony of your last statement. Self-awareness can really be a saviour for some people.
Don't listen to inkyandtgebrain, thinking he knows how a sane and non-bitter person is like. Trust your gut, you are on the right path. If you meet a respectful partner, you will know, and if you don't, that's fine, you don't need a partner to be happy! :)
I had to tell my son he can’t be friends with his friend anymore because he hit his girlfriend after they broke up. They’re all 12, he knew what he was doing to that girl. My son wholeheartedly agreed he didn’t want to be friends with him anymore.
He was in his late teens when it happened, but it came out that a friend of my oldest son's was physically and emotionally abusive to his gf and he knew he had no choice but to end the friendship. I was so grateful that he confided in me about it and handled it appropriately.
My partner and I have a friend who is slowly going through this transformation because he never really had a girlfriend but instead of working on himself and resolving his issues he started to blame everyone. It's heartbreaking to see a man you care about turn into this kind of asshole when all he really needs is therapy and taking the pressure off of himself for a while to find someone. He is a sweetheart and could absolutely find someone really good for him with some time and patience.
I feel like men are taught that being emotional is wrong and than being nice is wrong and then they get angry but because of those first two problems suffer in silence
As a man, I like to give my input to bring a bit of perspective. I'd say most men in this generation were raised with the idea that if they were only "Nice" women would want them but it isn't true. So when these men figured out that they were "lied" to they started to blame society as they did everything they were asked only to find failure in the end. So they feel cheated and tricked, It takes a lot of strength to move past the feelings of betrayal and start to do what actually works. Sadly, many men don't have the strength so they stay full of resentment their all lives. There is not much we can do about it, they just gave up
Dudes that hate on women for no reason, honestly let’s just let them. They’re the same ones that will wonder why they’re still single and cry about it. A lot of these guys don’t even want to listen to a woman’s viewpoint (or really anyone) who has an opposing view to them; just hurling insults at whoever atp, having temper tantrums lol The only thing that really sucks about it is when: yeah it does get dangerous sometimes (ie dudes start stalking, hurting ppl over it) or they start spewing it to young boys. Sad
"To create loving men, we must love males. Loving maleness is different from praising and rewarding males for living up to sexist-defined notions of male identity. Caring about men because of what they do for us is not the same as loving males for simply being. When we love maleness, we extend our love whether males are performing or not. Performance is different from simply being. In patriarchal culture males are not allowed simply to be who they are and to glory in their unique identity. Their value is always determined by what they do. In an anti-patriarchal culture males do not have to prove their value and worth. They know from birth that simply being gives them value, the right to be cherished and loved." -bell hooks
THIS I've had trouble explaining to most other people that a matriarchy would not be the same as a patriarchy as we know it. It's been studied time and time again that women/afabs/those that align or who are in tune with their femininity, are more likely to help each other out, build each other up, and creates solutions. (there was a video circling the internet that perfectly encapsuled this: a familial competition at a wedding of the classic 'men vs women.' People stood in a line and linked arms and were then tasked to get a hoolahoop from one end to the other without unlinking arms. The women figured out an effective system and helped each other through it, while the men just floundered and kept fighting against each other) In the eyes of a matriarchy, everyone is equal and has a meaningful contribution. One is beginning to form in Colombia and I've very eager to see its progress. The 2018 interview with the Wayuu tribe is a fascinating read, and I can only hope it can influence other cultures.
Most skipped what you stated but it is all facts. I also find it interesting that one side of the gender is stating "We are better and perfect leaders and etc" while calling the other side evil for making the same statements as if either side knows all the answer because of their gender not their ideas and methods SMH
@@ObstaclestoOpportunitiesyep the self awareness is so lacking and they wonder why this is happening. Like matriarchies are immune to human nature and evil with cherrypicked studies
People really need to start thinking about whether or not they have the time and energy to raise a decent human being before they decide to have children. It's not easier because of technology, in a lot of ways it's harder.
@@DB-xo6xh who suffers more: the person who shot someone or the person that was shot young men need role models, but an absence of good male role models doesn't mean you lack good models in general. women role models are just as good!!!
@@DB-xo6xh Eh, historically speaking, women for the most part have been at a disadvantage compared to men, in almost all cultures that have existed. Even here, where I live, women were burnt with the accusation of witchcraft, simply because they dared to speak up against the wrong that the status quo was doing. Right now, from what I've observed, is that men are also getting the brunt that women have been facing for so long, which prompts them to well... introspect; realize that somewhere, somehow they have treated women as inferior beings. This doesn't give the current system a pass though: by design, it profits from the schism (for example, a Tinder subscription for $500/year? Talk about insanity) and they'd never want the system to die so long it acts as a source to generate power for them, even at the expense of potential extinction of Homo sapiens.
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☀Happy Sunday Neighbors! 🎉Hope you all enjoy today's late ONE HOUR SPECIAL upload! 🎉🤠 (unless you're an alpha male who manipulates young men into hating women then u prob won't like this one i fear but plz b nice to me tho im just a girl ty🫶) ANYWAYS- this is a topic that my instagram community actually helped me choose! so shout out to them because this is a topic that needs to be discussed in today's climate- the rise of the male identity crisis isn't only affecting males, it's affecting absolutely everyone and even their mamas smh. Radicalization is very much real and it's getting more severe to the point where gen z is becoming the loneliest- and most undateable generation ever 😬to the point where young women are now protesting against dating men through the 4B movement. But it's all for a reason, the reason being that this type of content online is telling them that everyone's out to get them, that masculinity is dying & how it's all womens fault (spoiler alert: nuh uh) And these manosphere men are teaching these young men that masculinity is all about cars, instagram baddies and showing them how to pick up suitcases in a "manly way" (yes that's a thing and yes i put it in the video lmao) yet when these alpha men are confronted with a different opinion or are challenged by another confident men who have a different definition of success from them they get triggered (emotional much?) to the point where they threaten people with physical violence (yes that actually happened and i also included that in this video lol) it gets CRAZY y'all😭😭😭Grab a snack, relax and let's talk about it💕also if you haven't already- follow me on instagram (@_salemtovar_) and join my neighborhood instagram chat where I update all of you on what's going on behind the screen on my end! Enjoy the video and I will see you guys in December- Enjoy the thanksgiving break my duckling army 💕(unless a manosphere guy somehow finds me and drags my ahh before then) Welp! Have a nice day! ☀
Thanks for the video ❤
Dogpack was a Fraud
You should make a Retraction Video about the Mrbeast thing If you have a shred of Moral Integrity
You spread Misinformation to 300k ppl ( and counting)
You're so talented, making a cliff notes of your own video like that
So my comment gets removed?? Because Criticized you for spreading Mis Info about MrbEAST
@@Quintyndow Did you see that new Soggy Cereal video about DogPack404?
My son is 19. I thank God he thinks all these dudes are a joke. He's living a great life, outside, touching grass.
W parent 🎉
be careful. kids hide things and it's easy to slip down these rabbit holes while under 25. I know plenty guys whos mothers would be absolutely shocked at how they really feel about certain things
no one cares
imagine him not having the best parents, i mean you cant choose them, right? and all you hear on social media is "men are the problem", i"i choose the bear" basically condeming you from birth...a person like that not so well grounded by a family and a supportive background, might it be that snake oil salesman like andrew tate that basically say: "your not the problem, these people are" would appeal to him? and if yes...whos fault would that be?
@@bitze865 I get what you're trying to say but you're inadvertently claiming that women should still be responsible for young men's feelings to make them feel better when women are the ones who are frequently attacked, assaulted, traumatized, and often killed by their male partners feeling entitled to them. The solution is for male media figures to hold other men accountable, not to blame women for wanting to pick the bear because of the horrific acts men, including teens and young adults, have committed against women and girls.
Sometimes I feel strict by not letting my kids have social media. Then I see this kinda stuff and I'm like oh yup that's why
My kiddo is only a toddler but this is what I aspire to
Keep doing it, people letting their kids on social media is how these podcast guys and Fuentes get their views. I dont have children yet but I've already made up my mind to not allow social media until they're at least in the double digits.
Trust me, you are the only one doing it right.
Trust, you’re doing the night thing ❤
Honestly fair. I’m a Gen Z adult and grew up with a no internet flip phone, and only got Facebook for family and family friends at 12 which I barely use. I guess YT counts….but I find my spaces and kids safe parts of it or with you present are options too.
Honestly, you don’t need social media in your life. Talking to people, living life as much as you are able, is great. Personally I still use it a lot as a semi isolated disabled person, as this is how I can find communities in some way on a daily, but I agree overall it’s kind of a cesspool.
That one dude on that podcast talking down on OF girl. Sleeps w one, gets her pregnant, and states he’s too poor to raise a child. Secondhand embarrassment. Talk about the louder they are the harder they fall 🤣
Jeeze Louise..
no one cares
@@ville-c4u You're caring enough to comment on every popular comment so....
You mean andrew from whatever podcast ? Yeah. He is noy exactly a role model but he says a lot of truths but also alot of bs. As all those channels do. And because they adress issues that men are surrounded by, men became interested. Other side is just saying men bad. Now guess what content they will choose.
OP, Thats not how the saying goes…
The original saying doesn’t even make sense in this context. Your saying doesn’t even make sense in this context.
If anything you wanted to use the saying “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound” (Plato) which also applies to you acting all intellectual like and not even knowing the meaning of the words you are using.
My ex got into the whole alpha male manosphere thing and he ended up in jail for DV... so, there's that.
welp, at least he's your ex :D
That’s pretty much one of the many eventual, and inevitable, endpoints of the manosphere pipeline. They get this sense that they’re ungovernable and can do whatever they want. I mean, it doesn’t hurt to have some extra cash. But, that can easily lead u down that pipeline and turn u into a shadow of your former self. It’s absolutely insidious.
My ex got into the whole alpha male manosphere thing and he ended up DAing me and didn’t even go to jail… so there’s that 🙃
Some people are easier to influence than others. It seems your ex was one of those. I'm glad you're no longer with him. A huge problem with the "manosphere" is that it draws in men who have been mistreated by women. Similarly how the opposite is happening with women and women's movements, like the 4B movement. Amplifying it.
Just when did so many us of become so comfortable with mistreating each other? We're supposed to be a team ...
That happened to mine. Although he didn't get sentenced.
My great aunt is a 90 years old evangelical christian and she was appalled by trump selling that bible and people saying that God sent him to save us and i remember her saying "How dare they speak the name of the lord and use that same mouth supporting someone that lies, that commits adultery, that harms God's creations". She is someone that still studies the bible to this day and never takes things for granted. Thanks to her i realized that there is no excuse for people acting the way they do. Because the answers are in front of their eyes and they still chose to stay ignorant.
Just curious, someone that " harms gods creations " that means your grandma doesn't eat meat right? Because gods creations are being tortured everyday in billions of numbers or does gods creations include only humans?
@@ayamekuroshi1441 that’s how I know you never read the Bible. No human on earth is without sin, in fact sometimes God chooses people who struggle with it the most to spread his message. Read into the prophet Saul. I’m
Not saying Trump is a prophet I’m just saying it makes 0 sense to judge him when he’s no different from any other political leader.
@zyneros fam your home has wood and paper in it trees die so you can have a home things die so you can live even veggie are alive and grow.
@@zyneros girl the Bible literally says its not a sin to eat meat, go read Leviticus and Exodus cuz those are great refs to start.Yes there are commandments that say how to slaughter animals but it still means eating meat.
@@Justacuriouslady that’s the justification? A book? Yeeeeaaahhh? For Harming millions of humans and animals? A damn book?
manosphere telling men they are awful and need to pay money for courses to improve themselves is the male version of the makeup industry telling women what insecurities to have and to pay to 'fix' it
That's an interesting point
Who has told men and boys they are toxic, trash, not needed? Where did those negative messages come from?
yeah, but both hate women...
@cassinipanini This is so true. I actually never thought about it this way, too.
@@cassinipanini There are others telling men and boys they are trash, toxic and not needed. Getting it from two directions.
Yea, these same guys saying women speak "womanese" will be buying an $1500 e-course from TrustMeBro University called "SECRETS TO DECODING WOMANESE” next weekend. All the tips will be wrong.
no one cares
@@ville-c4u Hi Andrew Tate
@@MetalxMonica That’s one thing that will always disgust me about the manosphere. The audacity to charge men with ridiculously overpriced “course” that doesn’t even work and the very producers go make decisions that contradict their own teachings.
"TrustMeBro University" 🤣🤣🤣
@@IamjustBruh So what DOES work then? If these people with their "courses" have it so wrong, somebody must know what they are talking about somewhere?
Who are these men then who do?
You obviously know who they are - who are they?
seeing how social media is today is completely heartbreaking
The profile pic is slaying💖
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It's ok. I think it's an adjustment period for the whole species since social media made it very accessible to have dumb opinions shared online. I'm sure when cars were first released, people had a massive adjustment period with that, too.
I feel like since this ideology has been around all they needed was something that'll connect them to push it further down many more men and boys' throats. Social Media isn't really a issue as much as we make it to seem. It's just that one of it's buggest positives is also it's greatest negative. Which is it connect many people across the globe.
@@AnjaliDandriyal Social media has been around for decades, all of this happened this year. I’ve never seen anything like it before and I’ve been on social media since 2015
“Do you follow Andrew Tate?” is a prerequisite dating question and I’m not ashamed of it.
Only to non chads
Chad can do whatever he wants and you’ll be there
@@AnotherOne-hj7du 💀
A stealthier question I like to ask is, „What podcasts do you listen to?“ Men will lie if you ask them about Tator Tot because they know how Women feel about him.
"i'm really into podcasts at the moment, are you as well? which podcasts do you listen to?" might be more subtle and get the same work done
@@ravenna_lorraine Lemme guess - if he's tall and rich enough, he could be a CC of Tate and you'd still pick him
"When privilege is all you know, equality feels like oppression"
This is such a buzzword salad, I’m sorry
@@sofemininewithgrace2198Kinda thought the same thing, but after reading it a second time.. it makes a lot of sense.
We're talking about children and young adults here. These are people who have grown up in modern society where equality is highly emphasized. So this doesn't make any sense, because equality is all they've ever known.
@Greeenmoss - THIS!! They think their biggest issue is not being able to have x. They don't even understand the real problem they are having.
@profcalculus474 it may be emphasized, but not practiced, so they have no idea what equality really is. Because they're still taught the bs people before us were taught like gender roles and racial stereotypes.
My friend’s (now ex) bf got really into the manosphere while they were dating. The things he said and did to her were horrifying. He is single now, his next gf just dumped him. I hope she is okay
Why were you keeping tabs on his next partner when he wasn't even your friend? XD
This is a sad but good example, I see some people saying in the comments in response to others that “this is just internet talk and is normal. I would just ignore it” like.. did yall not watch the video?
This stuff bleeds into real life and causes men to behave violent and threatening to women.
This stuff affects real life people. Its not like their opinions and values live in a vacuum.
@@Nonyah123also, why is that the question you are asking? After reading all that, thats your question?
Also keeping tabs on the next partner? The new girlfriend? Probably because some people worry about others. Even people they don’t know. Empathy.
Ahh, judging by your other comments you a male that is in this sphere. Makes sense. Fighting with ladies in the comments won’t make them change their mind.
no one cares
@@Nonyah123 because my husband is the last friend he has. I befriended his new gf in case she needed to confide in someone.
I dated a guy for a year and he kept the fact that he was into this content very quiet…the more I see of this the more I see this is EXACTLY how he treated me 😭 gave me the gift of missing him and I gave him the gift of being single
Was he handsome and tall ?
So basically you gave yourself a gift? Good for you girl ;)
@@thatboicooked Why does it matter?
You did him a favor.
@@EfrainEnciso Of course. And how lonely are you?
Podcast man: “Do women even have hobbies?”
Also Podcast man: “Women should cook, sew, take care of any vulnerable creature, and make the house look nice!”
So….cooking, artistry with sewing and possibly embroidery (an art), caring for people and animals (which takes a lot of knowledge), and home decorating/internal design? Hmmmmm!
EXACTLY
EXACTLYYYY
Cooking and Baking is so fun
I love organizing the house for me, my mom and my dog🥰 and will love to do so for my actual boyfriend and future hubby ❤
I love doing some of these. But I will never waste my time and talent on a man like that lol
i wish someone would document these men over many years. let's talk to all these guys in 15 to 30 years.
that would be SUPER interesting.
I wonder how many of them grow out of it? Probably not as many as one would hope :/
@@idontwantahandlethough They just get stealthy and either become predatory bachelors, or predatory fam members.
I have followed one. He used to be a sweet guy but his entitlement to impregnating women didn’t end when he met a lady who wanted that. Found his page recently, there’s a Jordan Peterson quote on the public part of it. He SUCKS. She posts how much she hates him under throwaway handles because parenting is *gasp hard work, that he doesn’t share in.
@@Buffy-the-Karenslayer please share the handle so the rest of us can see what's up !!
You might be interested to know that this is happening already. There are lots of longitudinal demographic and attitude studies that have been happening since the 50's. Some of them follow individuals and not just population groups too to see how/if they change over time. Should be really interesting over the next10 years when these start to be published
It's scary how common this is. My boyfriends brother (who is 22/23 now, and we're 28) is living breathing proof of radicalisation to the extreme. We got along great when I first met him at 15 and he was just a sweet and really funny kid who I was happy to somewhat class as a younger brother.. I remember he used to get on really well with the girls in his class so his female friends far outweighed his male friends. Fast forward to him about the age of 20, the biggest narcissist I've ever met, tells his mum to kill herself all the time and that SHE is the reason he is how he is, all of his girl friends from school hate him and 1 of them reported him to the police, his auntie has a restraining order out against him, but he also can't keep a job so now he lives in a tent in a field... The list goes on..
Oh wow. Did he become involved with dr*gs at all during this process or is it just a staunch refusal to conduct himself in a way that is acceptable outside of the manosphere?
@@tori-loo oh wow. It is interesting that these same men that are narcs refuse to get a job and support themselves and want everyone to support them
I don't think this is a 'manosphere' issue, this is a maturity issue mixed with a really bad experience with women. and now he feels entitled to lash out at the world because of it. with luck he'll get it eventually, but probably not.
Its all about what he did, what you did to cure him? Even asked once? Since, you were the one who knew him since, 15. Where is your efforts, or does it go into connecting him to the manosphere?
That escalated quickly.. sad asf
While I know not all the men who feel isolated and having an identity crisis aren’t malicious, the type of guys that take it to the point of making it everyone else’s problem scare tf out of me.
I think there is an accidental double negative in your message, but I know what you mean. People who take their trauma out on others are harmful and drop drama everywhere they go.
@ yeah the double negative was a typo, thanks!
Agreed but it actually makes me feel worse for those men that aren't malicious, they're just lonely and having a really hard time. It's much more difficult to speak out and ask for help if you think you'll be associated with such a toxic and hateful ideology and that drives them further into isolation. These "movements" aren't just hurting women, they're hurting men too.
To be fair, this male identity/ loneliness crisis is a problem that concerns everyone. Without strong competent and capable men we lose majority of our firefighters, police force, military, engineers, farmers, architects, etc. The world needs men who have a strong sense of self worth and are part of a community. Otherwise we’ll end up with more degenerate losers who can’t provide, protect, or contribute towards society, and that won’t bode well for women who want husbands and children down the line either.
To be fair, the male loneliness/ identity crisis is everyone’s problem. Men make up the majority of firefighters, policemen, military, farmers, architects, engineers, construction workers, etc. What do you think will happen if the all of these positions are left void because men aren’t competent or strong-willed enough to contribute, protect, or provide towards society? This won’t bode well for women who are looking for potential husbands and fathers either.
The amount of videos I’ve seen on this topic makes me both hopeful and afraid. I’m so glad people are confronting it - it’s how we get a hold of the violent propaganda spreading through the internet. But darn, I really had no connection to it and had no idea how bad things have gotten 😢.
i totally understand, but the more we open up conversations around this topic- the more we can start to dismantle it
@@_salemtovar_ lol, it's just feminist women agreeing with other feminist women and spouting cliches - you're not dismantling anything. If anything videos like yours push more young men toward the manosphere. Men just won an election, you conversing more about the topic shows men how little respect for them and just pushes them more that way. You're clueless.
@@poocrayon4588 okay kid
@@poocrayon4588 ok incelasaurus. The world doesn’t owe you anything. Stay mad and it won’t get you anywhere if you don’t attempt to be better and self reflect
@@poocrayon4588 Did you watch the entire video? Yes she throws in a few jokes but she stayed fair and gave both sides a spot. Media literacy is important if you’re part of the internet! And lastly, this video wasn’t made to bring someone back from the deep end of incel culture but to share an outsider perspective on the manosphere and promote empathy. In the end they are young humans in search of structure and a sense of security, and she is right on that and its important to keep in mind when meeting an alphamalesomething irl.
Sleep with 50 women? Oh, please. My body is a temple, not an In N Out.
Amen 🙏
I mean, sure, yeah, we should have a good responsability of our own body and its safeness....but like, temples are kinda meant to have people in and out, no?
unless we are talking about the ones in movies where they have a secret artefact that will avoid the end of the world or something...
Now, yeah, that much of parners can be a tricky stituation
I'm tired of men only bringing up men's health in tangentially related spaces. It feels especially childish when it's usually brought up in women-centric issues that they suddenly care that "people don't care enough."
Yk people usually respond negatively to me when I say this but it really makes me feel weird when I see men comment that they've been SA'd and nobody cared and people didn't take it seriously cuz they're boys under posts of women talking about their own SA experience. I understand their experience also matters but It just kinda feels weird when they bring it up to almost 1 up women or something
It would be pretty sick to have spaces where guys could sort out all their baggage with patriarchy without it shifting into a conversation about how men are the sole beneficiaries of patriarchal violence. Hell, most of the male feminist channels I follow pretty consistently fall into the trap of OP bringing up male issues, only for women to engage with the content explicitly from the context of how women have been harmed by men.
It gets pretty messy, and I don't want segregation to be the answer, but it gets tricky.
It drives me crazy. Like yeah, men's mental health is a serious issue! No doubt! In fact, I'm a man with poor mental health right now! However, there's a time and a place. We probably need more/better times and places to do so, but still.
that's because men and women are switching roles. that's why Kamala wanted to be president.
As a guy, I always saw it as men not used to being the ones discriminated against, even if a little bit. So for groups that have been discriminated against / oppressed by them for decades, if not centuries, it kinda feels like a child who cries at the smallest cut in front of someone with a dislocated arm.
57:43 “ they actually don’t want to be like Jesus. They want to be GOD. They want God’s power, wrath and judgement.”
Ooo girl, you said a WORDDD right there!!!
-sincerely, an exvangelical
i thought jesus was "god"?
@@vladimirazubcekova7727 you can simply google the basics of Christianity instead of leaving your inside thoughts as comments with a question mark at the end expecting someone to do the educating for you. Hope that helps.
@@vladimirazubcekova7727 yes, but it is more about that some poeple do not want the human and kind aspecto of jesus, the one that, you know, can and want to be of help to the world...no, no, no, this people want the god, wrath and judgement part of jesus, the one that bring pain and resenment to people
Like Lucifer right?
"If we want better men, we need to be better men!" That really is the biggest thing, in my opinion. We need more men to speak out about how to actually be a good man who respects everyone, especially women.
“Especially women” wow way to admit you want special treatment for women
@@1OnlyGot7Touch grass
@ Lol, I workout 4-5x a week, run daily, work 5 days, and deliver food on the side. It’s also telling that you tried to attack me and not what I said
men needing to be better, or often described as 'picking yourself up by your bootstraps' is advise that has been given on ALL men's issues for decades. does it work? NO. it just continues the cycle.
Ironically, the kinda guys who respect everyone especially women are not usually romantically liked by women.
I think that's why the menosphere preaches for guys to be more toxic for women to take more of an interest in them.
I recently picked up a book at the library called “men who hate women” by Laura Bates. It’s wild how this movement has been on the rise for the past 5-10 years and how just recently because of the election it has heightened. Hearing the thought process of these men is scary and sad, we are now dealing with more incels than ever and it’s a danger to our society. Highly recommend looking into this book, as the author put herself in these men’s shoes and infiltrated incel and manosphere forums.
You're in an echo chamber and gladly staying there. So you read a book by a woman who "put herself in mens shoes" lol - why dont you just talk to the men?
Such a good book
i read this book as a galley! so, so good. it has really stuck with me
incredible book! my male partner just finished it too and said he felt that he could have potentially been dragged into that stuff as a teenager, if circumstances were different. highly recommend for men and women to read it.
Fun fact: that is actually the original Swedish title of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo...but the main character was infantalised AND the male hatred was removed from the title in order to appeal to American and British audiences more. I was not proud to be British while doing my research on that. But if you've ever read the books or seen the film, the original title makes absolute perfect sense. Plus, they were written by a man.
Dude at 8:35 has the mindset that drives me up the wall the most. I grew up in the 90’s with parents who did everything in their power to shut down any attempt at crying I made. It was either threats of “knock it off before I give you something to cry about” or some childish attempt at guilting me out of the emotion by calling my manhood into question. You quickly learn to hide the “bad” emotions to avoid the added harassment.
Ended up having my own kid and realizing just how easy it is to not traumatize them over stuff like that. Also made me revisit a lot of my old trauma with new eyes and I can safely say, outside of self-defense, damn near every “angry blowup” I can recall could have been avoided if I had felt “safe” expressing a different emotion.
Like, it’s not a “female emotion” vs “male emotion”…it’s a HUMAN emotion.
Same. Graduated in 91. I found it very simple to not hurt my son the way I saw my brothers hurt.
Wow, good for you. Not many people can withstand the discomfort of uncomfortable emotions to regulate themselves and practice emotional safety, and break that cycle of generational trauma. So many of us are ashamed of our own emotions. Manosphere men seem so repressed and afraid.
I'm from India and I'm actually practicing 4B movement right now because here it's really bad for us women, in-law presure, useless husbands who don't even know how to cook and clean after themselves, the entire household responsibility comes down on the women's shoulders and we also have to go to job because two or more people cannot live on a one person salary. It's horrible for women and my mental health will decline from it all so I have personally decided to never get married or have kids because the best I can do is take care of myself and my mental health which is hard to do as is.
Be well and safe❤
Who 's afraid of little old me❤😉
Keep being a 4B , you ll end up single with cats.
Women should work, cook n clean, period.
@@therollingstone9701 Going 4B literally means opting to remain single. It's an easier lifestyle. By work do you mean do a full time job and come home and do all of the cooking and cleaning? FT, I gave that up and I still don't have cats. I have lots of music instead😊.
Girl.... these kind of discussions makes me so glad I've been single my whole life, in fact I feel so much better about it
Same here, I used to feel bad about it but seeing how the mentality has changed and now finding someone who truly loves you is kind of hard to find, I'm glad that I'm not dating someone.
@@kusuossecretgf5401 yep.. I’m glad I look different or unappealing to others.
@@maranne_ I'm glad for you too 🙏🏾 There's a saying in my language that goes "never served better than by yourself" and it's very true in this case
I got that fully developed brain now I see things clear staying single a while
@@maranne_ It's not hard to find at all if you live life, but you have to go outside all the time to meet people and have a long lasting bond with them for there even to be a point in dating someone... People forgot how we used to get together, because of social media, phones and apps. Very worrysome for the future because a lot of the spaces where people hang out and came together for a low cost are vanishing and closed after covid. Dating is fun if you know the person and have realistic expectations i think.
My family always acts like I'm crazy that I would rather die alone than settle, yet this is what I would have to settle for
You are on the right mindset. Especially when you are the one who has to live with your choices
This whole sentiment of "dying alone" if you're not with a partner was always so weird to me, like... family and friends still exist? Wait till they hear people can be just as if not more fulfilled by just having those 😱
The irony here is the people who should be parents will be less inclined to be and those who shouldn't be will be more inclined to be so.
I don't think anybody, man or woman should ever settle for less than somebody who totally loves and respects them.
@@GalacticNovaOverlord One problem is the worst kind of guys tend to have the most inflated sense of self confidence and be more likely to approach women while more sensitive, less self-assured men are more likely to be reluctant
My biggest male role model is my father in law. He is jacked, he owns his own construction company, he does well for his family. Any sort of manual labor he can do. By all means he’s a man’s man. He also cries and says i love you more than anyone I’ve ever met. He loves and respects his wife, he also loves and cherishes his children and friendships. THATS a man.
💯👊🏻
Toxic men find toxic women (and vise versa) and *make* grossly negligent ignorant generalizations based on a very small and very broken subset of society.
Ephesians men are happily married to Ephesians women.
If toxic people looked in the mirror, they’d find their problem instead of blaming everyone and everything else for their own childish ineptitude.
Real men are strong enough not to repress themselves out of shame. He's what all these guys need to strive to be.
Found your views on the church really refreshing. After dealing with years trauma from the church I’m not in it anymore but I studied theology for many years and it’s rare to hear someone with an educated view on the subject. I do wish more religious people were like you! Faith informed by reason and separation of church and state could really change this country.
agreed. I wish more religious people actually cared about theology. It's super fascinating stuff, and I'm not even religious! It's just fun to read about :)
@@LoudLeo3 I'm very sorry that you experienced trauma in the church. True Christianity and faith in Christ cures trauma, not creates it. I can't speak for the people who hurt you, but Jesus Christ came to save the lost and help those in need, and we as human beings all get it wrong, however that's not a representation of Christ, but instead shows the truth of how messy humans are.
I will push back on the separation of church and state. I don't believe that people understand what they are asking for when they wish that to be the case. I'm a Christian myself and when I was less serious and informed about my faith (so less well read on the Bible, less informed on the radical impact the church and Christian values have had throughout history and the current world we live in and when I took my relationship with God less seriously) I also believed in a separation of church and state being the answer and that being able to produce goodness. However, the more I learnt about why the bible says the things it does and about the nature of God, I learnt that there's reason and logic to the universe, we're not just a bunch of random reactions, but instead are living beings with purpose and consciousness, that have been created in the image of a great and wonderful creator. The more we move away from biblical principles and morals, the more we see societies decay and people suffer. There's a reason why one of the most prominent atheists of our modern day, Richard Dawkins, stated that if given the choice, he'd rather live in a Christian society. Secular humanism doesn't work, morally or logically, and deep down, people know this. I genuinely pray that you come to know Jesus Christ, the true Jesus Christ, not one that's been twisted and changed to suit a narrative, but the one who died for you, knew you long before you were born, made you with intention and has a plan for your life that exceeds anything you could ever think of or imagine. I pray this over anyone who reads this comment also, God bless ❤️
@@Eme281 until Christians figure out how to deal with Queer folks I’m afraid trauma is very much baked into your system. I minored in religious studies in college long before I left the church. With all due respect I do not want my daughter being taught Christianity is school and unless you want Islam and Buddhism controlling your laws we all should maybe get with this idea that spirituality and religion are matters for the home.
The reason I’d never follow your Christ again is because you think it’s okay to put it on other people who want nothing to do with it. I’d much rather followers do a little more “they’ll know your my followers by the way you live” not through indoctrination in schools or laws based on your belief system. The same way you might feel about “liberal” indoctrination in schools, other families feel the same way about your beliefs. Please love God however you see fit but hear me when I say your communities attitude about Church and State does actively hurt people.
@LoudLeo3 One thing we can't do as followers of Christ is condone sin, doesn't mean we all always get it right, but if we are to fully emulate Christ, we mustn't condone sin. That's sin of all kinds, even ones that people declare are their lifestyles and wear as their identities, which is a major issue of sin because it will have you believing that your identity is the sin, instead of your identity being an image bearer of the most high God. That's what the devil does, takes God's creation and twists it, to the point where we'll look back at our own creator, and curse his name, which in turn, brings death, despair, and destruction onto ourselves and those around us, even those we love the most. The devil will twist everything good, right and just, especially love, and make it grotesque and self-seeking. A removal of Biblical values is a removal of God and when God is gone, evil will take the place. Universal truths and moral laws exist, regardless of time or society, these values hold true because they are baked into the fabric of life itself, e.g. thou shall not kill. So other beliefs and societies can get certain things right because, like I previously said, they are universal truths that are hard to escape, however with a rejection of Jesus Christ, those beliefs and societies will eventually trip up somewhere and go tumbling down a dark and godless path, just look into the islamic prophet Mohammad and his children bride, Aisha, and the fruit of that showing it's self most recently in the new law they are trying to pass regarding the age of consent in Iraq. It's disgusting. In fact many of the islamic teaching are incredibly problematic, so that's why I can push back against it, because it's immoral and illogical. Going back to secularism and humanism, the fruit of that is Darwinism and atrocities like Nazi Germany, were the most desirable lived and the weak, vulnerable and socially undesirable died horrific and inhuman deaths. In a society like that, morality is subjective and truth doesn't exist, and that's terrifying. You're also fully correct that I wouldn't want my kids to learn certain things in school, in a society were teachers are allowed to over step and override your authority as a parent, where young and impressionable kids are being taught that a mental health condition is resolved by mutilating ones body and making them a forever patient for evil corporations to endlessly profit off, rather than dealing with the issue in their minds (completely making the medical hippocratic oath completely null and void), you're 100% right I wouldn't want my kids being subject to that, because it's immoral and illogical.
Also, you say that you don't want your child being taught Christianity, but I'm sure you're perfectly fine with them adhering to most of the 10 commandments, so no stealing, so committing adultery, no wanting what others have to the point where it makes them envious and jealous, no murdering, no lying about someone's character and I'm sure you'd want them to honour and respect you as their parent. I'm also sure you'd want them to treat people how they'd want to be treated, and also take care of the poor, orphans and widows and generally people in need. I'm also sure you'd want them to always do the right thing and help someone if it's within their capacity to do so at any given moment, to be forgiving, selfless, truthful, etc, I could go on and on, but I'm sure you get the gist. People claim they want nothing to do with Christianity and the God that created everything, but will unknowingly steal from His moral law and then act like they came to knowledge of it completely outside of Him. You may have minored in religious studies, but studying doesn't equate to understanding.
The issue with a godless society is that it always ends up being self-seeking, immoral, illogical and affirming of things that make someone feel good, thst eventually leads to their's and others destruction.
@Eme281 you really should listen to yourself...beginning with the part of calling someone "lost". This is actually the start of every dysfunctional relationship which is making someone believe that they are nothing and there is no good in themselves aside from one thing or one person that they should follow if they have any hope for goodness in their life. What makes you think someone wants a god that thinks you're crap unless you follow him and will burn you up if you don't? Good thing people are waking up from such an awful belief system. And the idea that secular humanism can't exist is wrong but I can see why you would tell yourself that because then you would have to come to terms that your entire belief system is based off of a lie. You then go on to use straw man arguments while completely ignoring that those same arguments could be used against Christianity. Guess what? Christians also killed hundreds of people for not believing in Christianity. There have been horrible crimes committed on behalf of Christianity. But of course, you'll say that those were isolated incidents and that Christianity doesn't teach that (although the killing of babies and women was completely sanctioned and commanded by god).
It truly is no wonder why so many Christians act the way they do towards others. If you are taught that humans are at their worst and they have no goodness, how else would you go about treating people than giving them what you think they absolutely deserve? Meanwhile, if your belief system starts with that all humans are inherently good and can be good completing on their own, that might just change your worldview and how you see and treat people.
What has always struck me as being odd about most men, is that they are so concerned with impressing other men. They need male validation more than they need women's approval. It is just so weird. They say they want women, but won't do anything to make themselves more appealing as a partner. They would rather be cool and "manly" for the approval of their bros. I don't get it.
In my own opinion I wholeheartedly believe you should not be trying to impress anyone because it will just lead you to crave that gratification and validation, you should not want to turn yourself into a person that does that because that's ends up making someone a suckup who makes everyone else feel good just to be treated like trash 90% of the time
They hate women, they hate that they want us, they don't view us as human. I didn't believe it at first, but listen to their words and watch their actions, it's all there.
That's exactly it. They're just relating to the hierarchy of men, not to any people in it.
They need to start dating each other, full stop.
I'm an outlier because I'm married but I think it's because men have been taught to be a leader (not a bad thing if done right). It's a very tribe mentality and men won't try to impress another man that they don't want to be like, at this point though I've learned the only person I want to impress is my wife, my future kids and my family
I agree that a lot of young men get into manosphere because of a lack of purpose and direction. Straight guys I know that have a strong sense of self, identity, or purpose don't become like this even when they're lonely and unpopular with girls. They know who they are and don't need society to tell them they're an alpha or whatever.
Um, thats the purpose of the manosphere - is to give men who lack purpose and direction exactly that, by telling them to get into the gy, get in shape, improve their career, work on their style, charisma etc
Are you against all that, or something?
You seem clueless tbh.
@@keithcommins There's nothing wrong with that, but teaching them to hate women and that all women are bad, and then on top of that taking advantage of their insecurities by selling them courses is just wrong. You can teach men to do all these good things without preaching toxic messages about women and relationships.
@@kassd4169 *There's nothing wrong with that*
The thing is - THERE IS a lot wrong with that, according to these people. Are you saying otherwise?
Can you name ONE prominent "influencer" who outright "hates women" (with quotes please) and who has said "all women are bad".
About courses - how do you know the courses sold are inherently bad or "take advantage of insecurities?"
Can you name ONE person who fits this bill, and name the course he sells that does this? I presume you've taken the course yourself then, and know it to be this way?
*You can teach men to do all these good things without preaching toxic messages about women and relationships*
Do you agree, yes or no -that women are capable of being toxic...and often have a darker side, and that men should be knowledgeable about this?
Yes or no answer please.
Or are saying women are perfect angels who can do no wrong?
@@kassd4169 Also - subReddits like "Female Dating Strategies" where women congregate to exchange tips on effectively take men for all they can in terms of time and money, I presume have the same feelings about them, as you do the "Manosphere?"
Or Facebook groups like "Are we Dating the Same Guy", where women gather to effectively shame men?
Do you not think its strange that nobody seems to care about that, and other similar environments and influencers like that push what is an undeniably toxic message?
Odd how thats the case.
@keithcommins No, obviously there are toxic women (and men) and people should be aware of that. But it becomes a problem when you label ALL women (or men) as toxic. And that's the thing, I see influencers doing just that, on both sides. Women will say men are all bad and toxic, and men will say women are all bad and toxic and make a bunch of false claims about them. I can't name any names because I don't remember them, but I've heard men say things like "women aren't capable of taking accountability", "women can't/won't actually love you", "women only want to use men as wallets", "women are liars and cheaters" (I hear that same statement from women about men too, btw), "women aren't capable of empathy ", and then in groups like the mgtow movement, they teach that women are so bad that you're better off not dating at all. Don't you think those messages are bad for men? Hearing and believing that takes away their hope of having a relationship, and then makes them bitter and angry at women cause they think women can't love them. And that's honestly a sad message to be preaching. Yes, there are bad women, but you can't lie and say ALL women are like that.
And it's not just those men that say that, there are women saying that same kind of stuff too, that men aren't responsible, loving, empathetic, emotionally intelligent, that they're all cheaters and liars. And then we end up having movements like the 4b because women end up thinking all men are so bad that they better just give up on ever wanting to get married.
These are very toxic, divisive messages to be telling people.
i care about men's mental health as much as i care about women's. but it so annoying to see that men are using their fallen brothers and countless men struggling in order to "win" some useless argument online. i get it, the world has made it so men are only allowed to cry when they are 0-2 years old, but that's no excuse to use others trauma or attempts as a weapon. it makes no sense to sit there and say that you care about men's mental health yet you only talk about it when women are expressing their own mental health. its not a challenge to see who has it the worse, its an experience and adventure for all to join arms and explore. if you truly cared, you'd give ur bro a hug instead crying out your regrets to his grave. and to all the men out there who feel like no one is there, trust me there are people who notice you, see you, and love you. keep going dude.♥💪🏾
Same.
The only men whose mental health I would care about ATP are just relatives and friends.
I would’ve supported the men’s mental health movement, but I immediately stopped when they started blaming every woman for their bad mental health on Twitter and TikTok like WTF y’all legit think EVERY SINGLE woman causes bad mental health for men!? No bro 😂
like fr, people focus more on differences than similarities -_-
@@messyking508 I agree.
@@messyking508 "They"? So every man is a monolith? *sigh* ...
Look, if you constantly tell people that they're the problem ... eventually, they will agree. Think about that.
It’s not even just young men being easily influenced. A male family member of mine in his late 30s (AND married with kids) suddenly fell into to this extreme mindset… like…
Men grow in their 40s, sometimes never
@ That’s sad.
Sounds like the goal might be an afair
Well that’s embarrassing for him 😅
@@FabiolaRVela It really is. It’s so pathetic I can’t see him the same anymore. I feel bad for the kids mostly because they’re really going thru it.
I have recently changed studies and I have entered a class full of men somewhat younger than me and it is a rather unpleasant environment. I have been in classes like this before and there was not the same competitiveness, aggressiveness and insecurity that I breathe in this class. It is terrible to see how the same person profile (STEM guys) has changed so much and so badly in such a short time, since I only have a four-year age difference with them and I do not remember my colleagues (so) egocentric, angry and insecure
I’ve never more disgusted in my life than watching that nick fuentes video, how do people that nasty even exist
@@spawn3721 i fully condemn nick Fuentes and his content however Americans have been doing the your body my choice on baby boys genitals aka circumcision for decades
@@flashliberty5467unaltered Pretty sure that isn’t just an American thing…
@@flashliberty5467unaltered I agree that circumcision is bad but this really isn't the time and place to bring it up... it's like stumbling into the hospital after being shot with the gun and the receptionist tells you "um OK... I got stabbed before though, so..."
@@flashliberty5467unaltered okay so go complain to the patriarchy about it.
@@flashliberty5467unaltered as a south American, that shi has been wild to me forever. Who even started that lmao
I’m sorry but how can someone say things like “YOUR body, MY choice” towards and demographic of HALF THE PLANET and think you’re in the right? like that’s just objectively absurd and crazy. I’m very afraid of how the young boys are being indoctrinated from older men who are supposed to give them guidance and good examples. They are impressionable for a reason and the “rich”guys on the internet aren’t giving out their “advice” for the kids’ best interests. It’s especially sad considering how the 2024 election went down. I thought the alpha male community would die down or at least, not grow bigger but it’s really tragic for the women everywhere. I’m praying for my sisters 🙏🙏 I’m not religious but I’m praying hard 😭
Proving that they did not care about prolife,fetus, babies at all. All they care about is Controlling women's choice and body.
Surely they are saying it to antagonise not because they actually think it is right
For the first point, nick Fuentes likely believes this, he doesn't care that he's right, just that he gets what he wants, but he also likely plays up the character for attention
Thats how rapiest think. So this guy needs a computer check
no one cares
You can't convince me these types of guys aren't actually very gay and just coping horribly. If they'd just date each other it'd save the rest of us so much peace.
Can I be completely honest? I do not like the whole “this is a gender war, both men and women need to sort themselves out” rhetoric because it doesn’t really hold up in places that have already carried a very gendered culture with them throughout the ages. I’m from South Africa and a lot of African cultures are already based on women being submissive, men being catered to etc. Women have historically and are currently doing nothing here other than saying, “ you know I think I want to choose my husband more carefully/ I think I want to focus on my career/ I think I want to date women/ I think I want to wait till I have kids”, sentiments which have nothing to do with men personally and they are taking this as a personal attack, this coupled with the growth of the whole manosphere movement have not only lead to an increase in misogyny but also a huge uptick in violence against women across Africa. South Africa has already had a problem with gender based violence but this stuff has exasperated the issue even though women haven’t done anything that makes it look like they “hate men”. So no, for a large majority of the rest of the world I feel like this being looked at as a “men need to simmer down BUUT so do women” doesn’t really apply and I feel like it feeds into the age old notion that women just need to be more gentle, more understanding, more caring and soft and then men will chill out when the only reason why they’re freaking out is because other men are not only fabricating lies about how women generally function but also deliberately telling them how to behave. I’m not saying that this is 100% what Salem is saying at all and I think this video was really great, but the point that was brought up about how men and women need to simmer down and converse, which I do think is important, that prompted me to bring up this point- so people are aware that this point doesn’t always universally work.
She's speaking from the perspective of an American. Of course there are other countries where women are still heavily oppressed and women don't even have a voice much less ownership of themselves. In the US, that isn't the case. In the States, the climate is definitely at the point where we can say that both men and women need to simmer down and converse. Because there are very clear areas where women are absolutely in the wrong, from our demands on men to be both hyper-masculine and sensitive, to double standards of women being able to flirt or joke about minors or very young men, joke about drugging men or even openly admit to doing it (Cardi B), etc etc. The man hatred conversation is also pretty rampant and gross. My brother, one of the sweetest most sensitive souls ever, had a group of teenage girls tell him he and all men need to die because they are men. And this rhetoric is VERY common online and irl with gen z. Imagine a man saying that to a young woman. We've swung the pendulum too far in the other direction, and it's time for us to sit down and talk.
This is a conversation happening in the West, we're not saying that people from countries that have visible and overt oppression need to follow the same protocol.
@@CeeCee-mt9ep 👏👏👏
@@Nonyah123 Yeah but at the same time we've been having the same conversations for centuries with men, they don't really listen. And a lot of those double standards have been perpetuated by other men, those women learned to parrot that behavior from men, at some point yes we need to call out the double standards but we can't genuinely get a handle on it and change things until the men finally do. This is a patriarchy problem, not a "Both sides need to chill and talk" problem.
You don't realize that you saying "men don't have problems, its the women that have the real problems" is literally THE problem men are having. Systems exists. Some eligible individuals participate in those systems. Others do not, or maybe cannot due to special factors. For the ones who are not actively participating in the system, and still have problems (believe it or not, its possible), to constantly be treated as if they are an active participant in it, which is to be met with disdain, distrust, and dismissiveness, is very hurtful. And if you just go "boo hoo" to that, well then don't be surprised when the men that were hurting but weren't really a threat before turn into Andrew Tate clones because they were abandoned.
I ain’t reading all that 😂also what I did read, seems like you’re missing the point
What makes me most annoyed is the attitude like this is somehow women's fault. l'm sorry that the last ten years have subjected you to cringey movies, and I'm sorry your gender has been the butt of a few jokes. I genuinely don't think the solution to misogyny is to say "all men suck" etc. But fascism is a little bit of an overreaction...
I'm just sick of the false equivalences. Decades of systemic oppression is not the same as a few years of 'woke' movies. I've literally seen men equate circumcision to abortion... Again, I'm sorry you feel like you had your choice taken away, but how exactly is that women's' fault? Blame your parents. And moreover, how many men are bleeding out for 40 hours in hospital beds because of a circumcision? Same thing as the draft arguement, how many men are dying right now because of a draft? Oh yeah, zero (I'm also pretty certain that if the government did put a draft in place, most women/liberal thinkers would be against it).
It makes me think that the bulk of this movement isn't really outrage about a specific problem men are facing today, it's just aggrieved entitlement. "When privilege is all you've ever known, equality feels like oppression". The people stoking the flames are just grifters, they don't care about the young men they're exploiting, it's honestly really sad.
Women didn't get handed anything, we had to fight for DECADES to get the most basic rights. And yet somehow we're the emotional, sensitive ones who overreact... I've really noticed a pattern here. It's like how racists will complain about everyone else being a 'snowflake' and then get upset when someone makes a white people taco night joke. The projection is simply insane.
Anyway, rant over. I genuinely think parents need to step up though. Teach your sons basic media literacy, and give them a hug for the love of God.
I agree with everything you said here! Very eloquent, amazing job. 👏
All things being equal, From Second-Wave Feminism to now, there haven't exactly been an abundance of spaces for people to examine the ways women are complicit in maintaining the status quo. From Political Lesbianism to 4B, the seething undercurrent of feminism has seemingly been "All of our problems will be solved if men just fall in line," which is a very easy line of argumentation to be coopted by a system that argues the most effective way to live is to dominate the opposition.
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@@notaspeck6104 i agree, but that's why the movement thrive in young men. They feel those few years against them, not the decades against women
The whole "Do women even have hobbies." Is freaking ironic. Most of the guys I've dated did not have hobbies, unless you count drinking and staring at their phone all day. Yet, most of the women I know have an active hobby that keeps the mind and hands busy, in spite of already having a full plate working, going to school, and taking care of the family/ home.
As a guy with many interests... just curious. Why you pick them? That sounds so boring.
Totally bring back "tinkering in the garage" and the Elks Club😅
That’s just as anecdotal as the original claim though. One could argue that just speaks of your taste in men
@Muscaplays as I explained above, most of the men I've dated weren't actually my preference. Just guys who came onto me, usually several times before I finally just figured I'd give them a chance. I rarely even see the type of guys I'm into, and usually when I do they're with someone, I'm with another wrong one, or it's in a city nowhere near where I live (like at a concert.)
I think since the original claim is anecdotal, although the way he says it just sounds like a flat out lie meant to make women seem less than men, it doesn't really matter if I'm using my own anecdotal evidence.
@@c.p.8040 It is fair to say to dismiss an anecdotal argument with an anecdotal counter argument. But we have to acknowledge either argument doesn’t serve as evidence
whats sadder is the ppl who need to see this probably dont follow you/watch your content 😭 we need to like trick them into seeing more content like this
thing is, men should do their part of talking about these topics... but most of the videos like salem's are only created by women - and the boys watching manosphere content will most likely not be able to hear women say these things...
@@dhyana7880 exactly this, especially after seeing the stats of women who go more left leaning and men going more far right, it explain why there are less men who made this type of videos and talks about this topic
No, this is the problem. You shouldn't trick people into listening to you. You should have a real, human conversation with people. Listen to them, respond with compassion and understanding. Share your perspective respectfully. Don't attack them, but instead challenge their ideas with thoughtful questions and perspectives. Truly seek to understand where they are coming from and a more productive, human reaction will come from that. We need to treat these men with humanity and respect because that is what they feel they lack in the world. Work to be a solution to the problem instead of treating these men as if they are intrinsically evil and need to be tricked into critical thinking and compassion.b
@@thomasschrader8272 i don’t think anyone talked about tricking people, and if you’ve been paying attention to the video here, it is empathetic, compassionate towards these men and boys. It also holds them in higher regards than the manosphere content does imo, as it treats them as people capable of growth and emotional intelligence. So i don’t really know where you’re coming from. Sorry you view this discussion in such a narrow way.
My bad i thought you were answering to me. But regarding the first comment i think the person was trying to convey the fact that these men and boys reach a point where hearing out Salem’s points becomes difficult because of the content they’re watching and that we should find a way for them to stumble across it and at least get a chance at another view of the world, at least not such a destructive one they’re experiencing bc of the manosphere
I think it is an interesting distinction that men center their 'growth' around women while women who want to work on themselves just paint their nails, go to therapy and do some yoga.
Like, if you despise women and everything they stand for so much then... Don't? Don't sleep around or look for a traditional wife. Don't define your male identity just by how different it is from the female. Go for a walk, get a hobby, maybe a pet. Hang out with your buddies.
If you don't like women then just don't.
Exactly like when they start to date me they want to start working on themselves all a sudden. Its honestly hilarious..
Women sleep around with tons of men, we ain't dumb no more. Women can't stay single for a whole week.
Men are coming back 💪
@@therollingstone9701 delulu
@@Ella-g2m please don't make projections on me 🙏
There was a school shooting in my town of mount horeb Wisconsin. Done by a middle schooler boy. and I found the kids manifesto/website , and this was the type of content that they watched and they talked sm about the manosphere. This is the kind of content that creates school shooters.
Except it's not its literally a self help community
@@gardenstate732A self help group that became toxic. Just like the incel community. The incel community was hijacked by men like this. It was created by a woman to help have better advice for relationships.
@@gardenstate732 The kind of "self help" in the way a meth addiction helps.
100%
One thing that really bothers me is that men think that they can't have role models that are women. Why can't we?! Most of my role models are women (possibly because so many men don't know how tf to act in a society, but whatever). In the absence of good male role models, I say we normalize men having female role models :D
🤦♂️ that’ll go over well I’m sure
lol, and you wonder why they're going right
I agree tbh, if they are fatherless or lacking positive male role models, then positive female role models can be helpful.
@@poocrayon4588?
For real. Like, If I were a dude, Id rather combat my ideas over female leaders than let myself be lead by a literal fascist.
Yea i’ve seen guys getting too comfortable with saying problematic things
I've definitely noticed it on IG in the comments.
For real. I like don’t wanna talk to dudes half the time unless someone else I know already knows them and knows they are safe.
Edit: The other half I just don’t trust any people. Lmao.
@@coolida23511 It’s the worst on IG, I don’t even read those comments or snapchats anymore.
@@coolida23511fr it's so bad on their
It's the internet, it has always been this way. People have a bad day or something , they go online spew some nonsense at random people and nobody cares, you should not take it personal i think.
The Handmaid’s Tale was meant to be a warning, not a blueprint.
The Handmaid's Tale but with the commanders taking steroids, wearing skinny jeans and a Gucci belt
And so was “1984” - and yet here we are…
It’s so clear that the men that are into the whole alpha mentality are never the ones in happy relationships lmao like how are they not realizing
As opposed to what? "non alpha" mentality? Are they the ones in happy relationships? Evidence?
@@roninjolin7687 ones in a "non-alpha" mentality are like Destiny, who willingly become a cuck and ends up having the GF just leave for the bull completely while guys like Destiny end up single and back at square one.
The issue is that very few men are happy in relationships
I believe both men and women suffer in relationships. I only see lose-lose situations around me. Better to stay single.
There are no happy relationships anymore. I'm happy the manosphere grows, men need to be hears, and the feminists need to be tuned down a bit 😊
I can't handle life rn, if it wasn't for your sanity, gurl I'd be out ✌️ thankyou for being here for us❤
I'm hoping you have some happy times in the future :)
I hope you’re doing okay
Yall are so kind! Thankyou 🥰
hey, stay strong, ok? I hope you're gonna be ok.
I'm sure people around you care about you, don't be scared to reach out to people who can support you. Ask them for help if you need it.
Most of the time, when someone leaves us, people around them wish they could have helped.
It's gonna be ok, somehow, ok?
big hugs Lynsheree
no one cares
I'm so happy my 11yo is happily watching how to train your dragon and futurama and MY LITTLE PONT whilst home sick. Must protect this precious boy. I also have him join me at Muay Thai, which is full of great male role models outside of the home for him to be influenced by. And just me, as the biggest female figure in his life, I hope I'm being a great support for him to develop healthily. So scared, high school starts next year
🙏🏾 you’re doing your best
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Sorry, 11? High school is supposed to start at age 14-15
@danaco9942 Australia. It just goes primary 1-6, then high school 7-12, so what 5-6 year old year 1, graduate primary 11-12yo. There is no middle school or whatever here. Graduate high-school at 17-18yo
We gotta teach young people in general that no matter how many riches you have, it won't make you happy. Comparing it to a person living a normal and humble life, the person who is humble will always win.
@@delighted9062 If you're loved unconditionally maybe, well we don't have that privilege. It's one of many conditions we have to fulfill to not be casted out. It's just really convenient to say as a woman, you're not the one who has to spend decades alone until death puts an end to the agonizing loneliness.
@XavierRenegadeAngel I've been lonely before. Trust and believe e that. I know how it feels to be alone and casted to the side. Throughout my school life and even at home. The only person that loves you unconditionally is God.
@@XavierRenegadeAngelyou think men wanting to use our body means we’re not lonely? Do you know how lonely it is to not be valued for who you are? Women at least have tried caring about men as individuals but the same cannot be said the other way around
I'm married, kids are on the horizon and me and the wife have a dog and a little cottage home and this is honestly all I could ever ask for. It's easy to dream about riches and having mansions and cars but I'd give it all away to have a great marriage and family
Cope lol money is the most important thing in live after family . No one cares about humbleness lol
I grew up thinking about me creating a family and caring for kids, worrying about the toxic ‘timeline’ for women, but these years really make me rethink all my plans and life goals and trying to embrace to be comfortable and love myself first before trying to get into any relationship. I don’t need to settle down or chasing love, I don’t need to ‘fix’ someone. I believe if there’s really someone for me, I will find them one day.
So women having choice in their partners, careers, lives is an attack on men. These men never considered that maybe the reason their life is difficult is because of other men or what we like to call the Patriarchy. Women aren't telling these men to grind, to not have feelings, to buy stupid cars.....men are telling men what women want.
Supposedly want, but yeah. I agree.
Woman before had no rights, but they always been protected and claimed only for exist
For a woman is 100 times more easy to get a patner, for a men, no. Always.
Now you have womens with choice in their patners, careers, equal rights
but the same protection than before, and also the same advantages to getting couples easy or being loved only for exist.
Men have no advantages now... And still have the same disadvantages.
Yo understand a little more?
Mansplaining a woman’s role to women?
God forbid he do the hard thing and reflect on what a good husband’s responsibilities are that would actually prepare him for a good wife?
Too bad the “good” wife misogynists purport is not the same “good wife” God commands.
My husband has always been like a dad to his little brother, and recently I’ve tried to support him in doubling down on that, because it’s hard out here
As one of the single, crazy cat ladies, I would love to find a lasting relationship. Sadly, it feels like such a big risk anymore. It's difficult to know whom to trust, even when trying to be optimistic. I think, for now, not dating is the right move (for me). But, hoping that'll change soon.
The radical manosphere and whatever this content creator falls under have one thing in common. They treat the other gender as a monolith. To them women or men are the problem.
They never consider that there are some great normal people (Men and women) out there. They are always looked over and we give all the attention to the bad apples.
We know these good people they are our friends, family coworkers, etc. Have hope there are many great men out there, I hope you find one ❤
Put it this way. I have a 21 year old nephew, whom I hope no girl gives the time of day. Between his constant need to self aggrandize, bitching that everyone else is stupid, and his refusal to take even the most basic advice... No woman deserves the headache.
Now, I love that young man with my whole heart, but I'm not blind to what he's like. It just means I'm praying with all my might that time and age will force him to grow up.
It’s just sickening. Imagine young girls seeing this content.
It’s so sad I see some girls saying “my body, his choice” it’s so disheartening cuz the “your body, my choice” thing is so rapey :(
@@mustardngoldfish9008that's exactly what it is
no one cares
@@ville-c4u I care.
Joke men. Simple
hhh this is why i prefer fictional men... real people nowadays tend to act like this because they were influenced by social media. even some men i used to know irl did bad things towards women 😥
Exactly. And it’s heartbreaking to see former friends become that. Like, you saw them go from silly to piece of sh!t, It’s exhausting. I stick to my bois like Link, Sidon, ASTARION, and others like that vibe.
Like never settel lower then you want, if a man isn't treating you like Gomez Adams he is not for you.
Me and my friends share the sentiment. Love and deepspace or genshin men are the ones we go for rn lol
Fictional men for the win.
@@toxiczombiewolf5692 So You say all men now are terrible????? Thats just in america.
The real question is why do young men find these "alpha male" archetypes aspirational. They see these men with women.
If women stop validating and chasing men like that, men will stop wanting to be like them. Period
And that's on toxic masculinity being perpetuated by both sexes.
I literally cannot listen to that nick fuentes clip. It literally feels like he’s saying it to my face it’s so visceral.
It creeps me out so much. Especially with his hands up like that, it feels like he’s threatening to touch women’s breasts 🤮
Isn't he gay? Why bother so much with an obvious troll?
I mainly agree with this video. But I don’t like the notion “nowadays” bc to be honest it always been like this. Many minority groups were oppressed, and woman has always been treated horribly throughout history. And many other things. I feel like these are not new problems it’s just we’re more aware of them. And also I would like to add that the economy is why parents seem to be less into children’s lives. Like personally my parents always had to work all the time just to make sure we had food on the table. Because the government we live in doesn’t even try to help us with our basic needs. I don’t want to say it’s parents fault 100% because Ik a lot of parents have to work a lot just to keep the lights on. This has been proven through statistics and such. It’s sad but overall great video
Personally i think this is a phenomenon the developing man brain goes through, because millenials guys were pretty bad and some grew up quite nicely, some did not.
no one cares
@@leotardbansheenot really I feel like it’s mainly about culture. Think about it in the 1900s a lot of men thought it was normal to hit their wives, and they should stay at home and if they have a job it should only be certain jobs that “naturally would be a job woman would have” like being a nurse. And throughout history woman were seen as property and so on and so on. I don’t think it’s just development bc misogyny against woman is actually really normalized in society which is really sad. (To the point I feel like woman participate in misogyny a bit theirselves. Even me though I would say I’m pretty left leaning and a big feminist) like I said throughout history most nations and cultures treated woman as if they were second human.
@@ville-c4uif you really didn’t care then you wouldn’t be posting that you don’t all over the place. Me thinks the lady doth protest too much 😂
I don't thnk it's the economy as much as the technology. I grew up poor, not the no-electricity level of poor but sometimes it was hard to get food on the table. But my parents keep an eye on me 24/7 and on the media I was consuming. With my 12 years younger brother, they are just too tired. The world is going too fast and they are exhausted, so of course they won't monitor what exactly he's doing like they did with me.
As a man, I agree with most of what you're saying here. I do think that there is a version of this going on for women too, and I'm not talking about the extreme AB4 movement thing. The internet has ruined many things in society today, unfortunately
4B is for safety. I think you mean that strange hypergamy and manipulative stuff. So glad I didn't let my son do social media as a teen and got him volunteering instead. He had the opportunity to discover himself, overcome challenges and just stay away from folks trying tell him what a man versus him getting to discover who he is as a person and define manhood from his own point of view
I grew up in a very Mormon, conservative household. My brothers are already pretty sexist because of that, but as they went into high school, I saw such a big change in them. They will make sexist jokes, they will say things like “woman belong in the kitchen” and “woman are too emotional” and it breaks my heart. I’ve tried so so hard to get my mind out of that, and out of the church, and I just wish they could too.
This trend is happening around the world across different cultures. Women are becoming more progressive while men embrace the far-right. It has to be social media.
It could purposeful to overthrow mental health.
It’s done on purpose to create more dependent customers for pharma
True, I'm from Germany and it's been happening here as well and in a lot of European countries in general.
Hmm interesting, cos there are women who push far right ideologies just in a benevolent way. A lot of female dating advice is benevolently sexist and patriarchal which is far right no?
This is the universe..a cycle is coming to a close ..the divine feminine is returning and you are currently at the end of a particular timeline so you are seeing that reflection in social interactions AS ABOVE SO BELOW
No way the dating pool is this bad 💀I'm literally going to college next year. Guys the real moral: It really is the damn phone.
Boys/men around should thank women like you who come from space of being empathetic/compassionate to them internalizing this radical content and the effects because I know for a fact no man would ever come out with a compassionate video on the toxic side of womanhood/dating and tell their male viewers what the root causes of all this chaos is coming from and to STILL give us grace through figuring ourselves/problems out.
That's why I love women! Our empathy is a superpower but should be given out VERY sparingly.
This video essay is why I'm a firm believer of women being true leaders in situations that need structure.
Great video!👏🏾
I’d also add, that this is nit just the empathy peace, understanding where they are getting things from, but the compassionate piece. The part that gives grace.
Empathy is understanding where someone comes from, their shoes, and lacking it is not a crime. But lacking compassion is lacking the care for other people. Compassion is caring, even if you don’t always understand or have the ability to empathize.
Ah yes, let's generalize all men, and also "assure" them by telling them "how lucky" they are that a woman is even giving them the time of day in a single video. This isn't condescending or backhanded at all. Definitely doing do your part to bridge the gap between genders . . . .
@sirebellum0 she made a video about boys/men affected negatively in the manosphere. This is a very specific video and I'm specifically giving my opinion on THAT GROUP. You made this about all men in general, not me.
Instead of searching for a reason next time, use your inference and read the room.
it's interesting bc in general i do feel women video essayist always do this they try and see the understanding from the other side which is why i fw their videos a lot. the men on the other hand again not saying all of them but a lot of them esp those incel tate clones always tend to just focus on one side and then it just becomes an echo chamber where the only takeaway you get is to hate women further.
we need more video essayist like this and thankfully we already have tons of women like salem, caring and nurturing individuals and women who try and see it from both sides but ultimately agree that love and nuture is the most important thing and to help these young men out of this hole.
and as a young gen z man myself who doesn't fall for any of the incel crap and is very progressive and socialist btw but i appreicate the help from women like herself, yourself and nearly all women in general and i'm greatful for what you guys are trying to do so keep it up as i support it.
@ogome2927 we appreciate you as well, beloved. Continue your road of self development no matter how hard the path is. Whether you're a man or woman, the societal pressure just to exist isn't an easy one, but we have to say f*ck these systems and do whatever is right for your own accession.
Your ears and your mind are open.
That's a start!🩷
I’d like to live in a society where I have more rights than Nick Fuentes plz 🙏🙏🙏
@@oakleyv4815 his house our choice ……………..
The glass ceiling is actually a brick wall 😂
He’s in his mommy’s basement right now, likely pooping himself like in high school.
@@gj3514 uh oh here's comes the wrecking ball 👀
The problems are this
Entitlement and heirarchy obession
They cant even orient themselves in the world without competition and that means someone always needs to be on the bottom. They have no concept of self esteem without it. They do not find fulfillment from being prosocial, they believe dominance will get them what they want with less sustained effort.
YES SALEM. This is such an important conversation - thank you for diving into this!
bro i honestly can't even think of any positive teenage boy appropriate influencers. granted, im not a teenage boy so its not in my algorithm but there should be ONE ive heard of?! I LIVE on the internet.
No - what are you after is an "idealization" of men that simply is contradictory and impossible.
I think this also points to a larger issue which is that there is almost no content made for teens anymore in any medium. They’re turning 14 and being thrust into adult discourse that they don’t have the context or capacity to really metabolize
Danny Gonzalez.
Plenty, they just flock to the bad ones and then whine about lack of good role models
@@Anarchangel349 I was thinking this same thing while watching this video. It's the same problem as her video about the lack of "third spaces" for teens and Sephora pre-teens.
You know what is worse than a spoiled girl?
A SPOILED BOY that grows into a narcissistic guy with disrespect and audacity against women.
“First of all, your mom” 😂 ily
As a muslim I 100% agree with your take! Our religions are so similar and so many men nowadays use it as a weapon when it was never meant to be in the first place. They also be hella inaccurate following its teachings
No offense, but all monotheistic religions state that women are "men's property" and should "submit to their husbands" so idk where you got the "it was never meant like this in the first place". Religion is the one teaching men to behave like this. Read your scriptures.
@@mazhiang_dishia_ The actual texts literally worship Women, Lmao. Some of the specific laws came in later but are nit apart of the main texts, or are from new editions made by men.
From what I’ve read I feel like it can really depend on the edition and translation, but yes. So much of religion wasn’t made with that intention but was added onto or utilized by horrible men.
@@mazhiang_dishia_There is nothing wrong with a wife submitting to their husbands because it comes with a caviar. Men should provide for and protect their wives. Women should respect and love their husbands.
When God created this world, he made human beings in pairs and gave each pair different anatomy and physiology. So what you say is just ignorant.
@@gj3514 this comment is embarrassing considering islam is more lenient about abortion rights than modern-day america
Assalamualaikum brothers and sisters! First time watching! This was really funny and well put together, you go sister! Me and my friends are young men. 19-23 years old. We had to let go of a few brothers because they wouldn't shut up about this alpha poison. If you you have to call yourself alpha, it's not a good look. Once again thank you for the amazing video!
I’ve turned off all my social media, it’s too much…
I should do that too.
What about TH-cam?
Girl this point I'm just gonna turn off life
Best option everyone can make, the internet was always toxic and annoying.
@elise2892 It's less a social media and you can choose to watch cute videos and have a more anonymous profile and not interact in the comments more easily than in other platforms
THIS RIGHT HERE... Is EXACTLY why I'm terrified to get a boyfriend... I'm terrified to date anyone, period...
Don’t date. You’ll only get hurt.
@xysarenottheprize I know :(
Focus on yourself and your goals. And be very cautious of who you let close. I feel like younger ppl have very low standards right now . Please don’t be one of them 🥲. Yall deserve so much better.
@@FabiolaRVela as a man, I can say that is very good advice. Mostly that's the advice what we get on manosphere channels.
_Edit_ : I don't follow AndrewTate, Fresh&fit clowns etc. Most of the cutscene in this _blabla_ was unknown for me and I wouldn't agree with those. Stepping up and take charge led me to a beautiful soul, respectful and feminine and has a father in her life. She's solid 6 out of 10, but her humble personality lift her up to top.
@@RealKuty why did you feel the need to even rate her...wtf
“Just be a better partner and you wouldn’t have to get divorced”
…if only it were that easy.
"Just be better women", best advice ever.
*The human existence is going to die because we all against each other these days*
I genuinely think our civilization is going to collapse. Partially because of worsening division these days.
crabs in a bucket
For real. We can’t even get over ableism because we value fake leaders as reasonable when they say not doing a job their way with their ethics (none) makes you useless, all because they have made up currency, and have everything from hoarding and cruelty, on a planet that GIVES US EVERYTHING FOR FREEEEEE. We would be able to create, help one another, and continue to progress if we let go of unsustainable goals and higherarchies.
Let it all end
As planned. So if you're against each other people at the top can focus on being corrupt. We've seen it over the years.
Its very weird how incels have become kinda mainstream. Even incel terms like looksmaxxing, chads, staceys, beckys, etc. Like idk how to describe it other than y'all are weird as hell. Maybe a woman would like you if you just acted normally idk man 😭
My friend group is pretty mixed men and women and i have two younger brothers and im honestly so happy I've never heard that type of talk from any of them, but we're all in our 20s. It's so scary for teenage boys growing up on brainrot :/
My little bother has fallen for that bs 😭 he hates any and all women for NO reason! In result he has lost his only sister (ME) has no friends, and literally can NOT talk to women… I tried changing his mind but I guess he wants to end up alone and hated. I’ve let him go completely AND ITS SAD.
Aren’t those terms mostly used ironically though?
no one cares
@@Howitgoes799 they weren't in the incel community but then they kinda were when they made it out of there, but now they're kinda not again. So yes and no.
You are chronacly online go, outside
Subscribed after watching this video, you gave an amazingly balanced perspective here. Appreciate it more than you know. ♥️❤️
Idk why im more concerned about other peoples kids than they are. I wasn't planning on having kids, but me and my husband left the option open (no permanent birth control). im 32. take my whole Uterius im good. Aint bringing a child into this hellhole.
Heard someone say that this is how your ideology loses. I guess it won’t matter to people with the mindset cause you’ll be dead eventually and it won’t be your problem. Ok then
Yeah I don't think it'll be getting better anytime soon, I wouldn't want to have children in this world either.
Bros would rather en mass shout out r@pe threats than work on themselves and helping themselves and other men be mentally well….
Harmful generalization of an entire gender, gross, please continue to educate yourself accordingly and hold yourself accountable as well as others, thanks 🙏
Why take offense if it doesn’t apply especially to something so specific? What must they take accountability for?
@@-HappyMelt-save your lectures for other men, thanks. Also, those aren't "prayer hands", it's a high 5.
You're right. Read what @happymelt wrote for confirmation that they refuse to take accountability, they will always play the victim, and they will not talk to each other.
@@AG-iu9lv you're very welcome, care to enlighten me on why we cannot communicate together and have to communicate with our respective gender? I find that pretty ignorant of a large majority of people yes? And also you are correct! The 🙏 is used as a high five AS WELL as for prayer, of course I'm not a religious boy but I thought you might be able to use it, have a good day! :) ♥️
Salem's voice is so soothing. I keep trying to watch this video, but im sick and ive fallen asleep 3 times to it now soooo guess ill have to try again when im not sick and likely to fall into a soothing-voice induced coma
every woman is free to do what she wants in her life, if she wants to marry or be a "crazy" cat lady (which sounds fantastic) is her decision. You can't rely your hapiness in an external relationship, because everything changes, one day you might be with a person and in the other not, at the end of the day it's important to work on your own hapiness.
You will never be truly happy if you are alone.
@@gj3514 truth, we are social animals and need love for proper health.
Have yall ever heard of friendships? You’re not really alone and can just be happy with that. Not everyone wants a partner.
@@-HappyMelt- yes, but you don't need a romantic relationship to not be alone
@@f1mbultyr this. I’d argue that community is the most important thing, romantic relationships aren’t necessary, they’re an add on. I’ve been single for 3 years, decided to not date at all and decided to foster my friendships and I feel really content and at peace tbh.
I'm tired of men only bringing up men's health in tangentially related spaces.
That grown woman ACTUALLY engaging with that little boy and giving him a 360…. Somebody look into her hard drive.
Extremely creepy!
if a guy i like watches alpha male content.. NO. GET AWAY. GET AWAAAAAAYYYYY-
Parents not parenting for real, I feel like a lot of us are going into the adult world just straight up not knowing everything and our parents expecting us to be fully functional right at 19. The human brain isn’t fully matured till 25 and most of Gen Z STILL live with their parents thanks to the economical climate. I’m genuinely scared for gen alpha and kids and how they’re eventually gonna be adjusting to adulthood
Actually the brain continues to develop, after 25 actually.
This is just near the end stage of 4th wave feminism, it creates division.
misogynistic men make me so mad and then they just laugh... which pisses me off more
dude realll its so annoying 🙁
Good for you, I be living my life..
I think that has a lot to do with women defending themselves on the back foot. We know that the aggression comes from their own insecurities. Let em know they're a buncha dorks.
Anger doesn't work.
Sorry to say, but I believe that they have issues that simply does not have YOUR worries as center.
@@katwinabee just show indifference. I’m sure most of these guys are narcissists with main character syndrome and that is one of the worst things you can do, not acknowledging them
FIRST I LOVE YOU
ILY
GEN X woman here, and first time listening to you. I really understand this better now. Thanks for doing what you're doing. Keep it up, I'm here for it.
I already live the lifestyle of the 4B movement because I’m only sixteen but I can honestly see myself continuing living that lifestyle as I grow older. At school, I hear my male classmates talk about “Alpha Male” stuff and also the degrading girls along with it. It’s, sad to see and hear because (if they want to) these are future husbands and fathers or in general people in society. I just hope it’s a phase and learn who they are, not the people they watch.
You’re a teenager. Don’t let a raging feminist trick you out of meeting a man and having children. Every relationship comes with a risk. Normal sane people want relationships and families. Bitter people spread it to others. Misery loves company
@@inkyandthebrain Oh, you again, the self-pitying projecting L 😂 Honestly think you could do better if only you realised the irony of your last statement. Self-awareness can really be a saviour for some people.
I understand what you feel. And honestly, as an older woman, I'd say that you should focus on yourself as well as you take care of your whole being. ❤
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Don't listen to inkyandtgebrain, thinking he knows how a sane and non-bitter person is like. Trust your gut, you are on the right path. If you meet a respectful partner, you will know, and if you don't, that's fine, you don't need a partner to be happy! :)
"I can't wait for this year to end"
That's what a lot a people said about 2019, be careful what you wish for is all i'm saying 💀
shxt😂
I had to tell my son he can’t be friends with his friend anymore because he hit his girlfriend after they broke up. They’re all 12, he knew what he was doing to that girl.
My son wholeheartedly agreed he didn’t want to be friends with him anymore.
He was in his late teens when it happened, but it came out that a friend of my oldest son's was physically and emotionally abusive to his gf and he knew he had no choice but to end the friendship.
I was so grateful that he confided in me about it and handled it appropriately.
My partner and I have a friend who is slowly going through this transformation because he never really had a girlfriend but instead of working on himself and resolving his issues he started to blame everyone.
It's heartbreaking to see a man you care about turn into this kind of asshole when all he really needs is therapy and taking the pressure off of himself for a while to find someone. He is a sweetheart and could absolutely find someone really good for him with some time and patience.
I feel like men are taught that being emotional is wrong and than being nice is wrong and then they get angry but because of those first two problems suffer in silence
As a man, I like to give my input to bring a bit of perspective. I'd say most men in this generation were raised with the idea that if they were only "Nice" women would want them but it isn't true. So when these men figured out that they were "lied" to they started to blame society as they did everything they were asked only to find failure in the end. So they feel cheated and tricked, It takes a lot of strength to move past the feelings of betrayal and start to do what actually works. Sadly, many men don't have the strength so they stay full of resentment their all lives. There is not much we can do about it, they just gave up
Exactly@@Chicken_Nugget_Connoisseur
Dudes that hate on women for no reason, honestly let’s just let them. They’re the same ones that will wonder why they’re still single and cry about it. A lot of these guys don’t even want to listen to a woman’s viewpoint (or really anyone) who has an opposing view to them; just hurling insults at whoever atp, having temper tantrums lol
The only thing that really sucks about it is when: yeah it does get dangerous sometimes (ie dudes start stalking, hurting ppl over it) or they start spewing it to young boys. Sad
Yep. Exactly what I was thinking lol.😂
Have you ever heard of Afghanistan? Are most men there single?🤷
Every time I had a divorce/break up, my youtube algorithm changed to this content.
"To create loving men, we must love males. Loving maleness is different from praising and rewarding males for living up to sexist-defined notions of male identity. Caring about men because of what they do for us is not the same as loving males for simply being. When we love maleness, we extend our love whether males are performing or not. Performance is different from simply being. In patriarchal culture males are not allowed simply to be who they are and to glory in their unique identity. Their value is always determined by what they do. In an anti-patriarchal culture males do not have to prove their value and worth. They know from birth that simply being gives them value, the right to be cherished and loved."
-bell hooks
THIS
I've had trouble explaining to most other people that a matriarchy would not be the same as a patriarchy as we know it. It's been studied time and time again that women/afabs/those that align or who are in tune with their femininity, are more likely to help each other out, build each other up, and creates solutions.
(there was a video circling the internet that perfectly encapsuled this: a familial competition at a wedding of the classic 'men vs women.' People stood in a line and linked arms and were then tasked to get a hoolahoop from one end to the other without unlinking arms. The women figured out an effective system and helped each other through it, while the men just floundered and kept fighting against each other)
In the eyes of a matriarchy, everyone is equal and has a meaningful contribution. One is beginning to form in Colombia and I've very eager to see its progress. The 2018 interview with the Wayuu tribe is a fascinating read, and I can only hope it can influence other cultures.
Most skipped what you stated but it is all facts. I also find it interesting that one side of the gender is stating "We are better and perfect leaders and etc" while calling the other side evil for making the same statements as if either side knows all the answer because of their gender not their ideas and methods SMH
@@ObstaclestoOpportunitiesyep the self awareness is so lacking and they wonder why this is happening. Like matriarchies are immune to human nature and evil with cherrypicked studies
Excellent comment.
She was such a teacher for me. She and Mr Rogers taught me how to raise my son
People really need to start thinking about whether or not they have the time and energy to raise a decent human being before they decide to have children. It's not easier because of technology, in a lot of ways it's harder.
This has been going on for a minimum of ten years with Gamergate and how it affected the 2016 election
If you use the hoax that is gamergate as a way to describe all men and an election, you have no credibility of any sort.
It's so hard to be a woman. Sad but true .
@@sharinataylor3000 It's also hard to be a boy & a man, especially when they didn't have good men in their lives growing up.
@@DB-xo6xh I'm not 100% sure this is the space for that conversation.
@@DB-xo6xh who suffers more: the person who shot someone or the person that was shot
young men need role models, but an absence of good male role models doesn't mean you lack good models in general. women role models are just as good!!!
@@DB-xo6xh Eh, historically speaking, women for the most part have been at a disadvantage compared to men, in almost all cultures that have existed. Even here, where I live, women were burnt with the accusation of witchcraft, simply because they dared to speak up against the wrong that the status quo was doing.
Right now, from what I've observed, is that men are also getting the brunt that women have been facing for so long, which prompts them to well... introspect; realize that somewhere, somehow they have treated women as inferior beings.
This doesn't give the current system a pass though: by design, it profits from the schism (for example, a Tinder subscription for $500/year? Talk about insanity) and they'd never want the system to die so long it acts as a source to generate power for them, even at the expense of potential extinction of Homo sapiens.
@@lluellBut men dont want women as role models