It will happen with patience. Dr Peterson just explained about a week ago with his daughter in conversation to explain his emergence from a difficult sickness. He is also diligently working on his latest book and probable world touring. He will have a tremendous amount to say with current events soon.
I´m 23, and I can tell you, Jordan and Jocko are two big role models for our generation. This podcast is just gold. Please, never, never stop this podcast. More young people need to listen this guys. My generation needs it.
Jory Evans well it’s a bitter , harsh fucking pill to swallow . I’m 20 years old and realIzed almost every SINGLE part of me had to burned off and it was difficult to understand how stupid , selfish and ignorant i was.
leaveovertheriver i drive between places for my job and today I was listening to this between destinations and I deliberately took the longer routes to get more time listening hahaha
Yeah pretty much everything Dr. Peterson puts out seems timeless. It's hard to believe this is 6 years ago because the man has barely changed it seems like.
Yeah I was really frustrated when Peterson was on the H3 podcast and he was on a really interesting thread about sociopaths and the host jumps in and changes the subject. Jocko lets it play out.
Jocko shows his mastery of risk assessment and is a great example of how to command yourself; Jocko's actions are uninfluenced and unaffected by malice of others. He has obtained the "American Dream" (freedom of thought not objects or social status). This is a great model for parenting and should be the basis of our elementary education (how to learn); currently authoritarian Learning (authority decides facts) only teaches submission to authority or perceived authority. USA DOE standard is 12 years to become a productive member of society, USMC officer training is 10 weeks to become proficient as unit command (critical thinking under dire & solitary situations)
Jake Conner "should be the basis of our elementary education (how to learn)" might want to learn to read before you strain that pea size brain, fucktard
"A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very, very, dangerous man, who has that under voluntary control." Jordan B. Peterson. Spot on. Our society was in such desperate need of a highly educated, respectable, expert on the mind and the human condition, to come forward and speak basic common sense with learned authority. He is a treasure.
No, Andrew, that is the primitive view. To think of someone as not dangerous because he doesn't look or in fact is not physically strong is ridiculous. That's what some of Augustus' enemies probably thought, too. And then there were none... As Jocko says, "smart is always better than strong". They are not mutually exclusive, of course, so it would be optimal to score high in both areas.
@@ShamimKhaliq All men (and women) in war risk surfacing their dark side. You know why? Because war is Hell. At least a version of it. Also, the grunts at the bottom oftentimes have little choice which suffering they will be entering... or committing. Do you think you would be exempt from this if it came to war in your country? America has committed war crimes, yes, you are correct. But as has basically every nation that ever existed in history. Do you want to discuss the scale and compare the level of suffering?
@@KianaG1280 Sorry, I'd just seen Robert Sapolsky describe American soldiers shooting babies in war; American soldiers are significantly more atrocious than other soldiers. I'm Muslim but have to say Bravo to Israelis for not raping and killing innocents; they stick to military aged men.
“A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very dangerous man who has that under voluntary control.” -Jordan Peterson We need more gentleman barbarians.
So all budhists, atheists and peace loving individuals cannot be good because they are not dangerous??? What utter rot. Just coz it sounds cool, doesn't make it true.
@@spire393 the potential for evil makes a good man a good man in this sense. A harmless man is weak, fragile and does not act out of fear. If you are not free to sin, then neither are you free to not sin. Simple analogy: super heroes. They have super powers and the power of choice, therefore they are dangerous, yet decide to be good. A weak wimp who cowers in fear is not a hero. Hope this helps.
@@antoniemitartristanvandrim6898 thankss for your input, but I still believe that a weak coward of a person can still be good. For example, he may harbour thoughts of killing, raping or maiming, but realises that it is better to not act on these impulses. Therefore, good men can be weak and cowardly.
@@spire393 You're proving the point though may I have worded it wrongly. This might be clearer: Not utilising the potential for evil whilst the choice is there makes a good man. Weak and harmless mean in this specific sense no choice in acting in an evil manner. No freedom to sin = No freedom to not sin. A coward will not act because he is a coward, no matter the thoughts harboured. Weakness doesn't just refer to physical weakness.
@@spire393 Buddha was a businessman before becoming enlightened. This doesn’t refer to purely violence, but to effectiveness. If you are able to screw over people by selling them on bad deals, you are dangerous if you choose not to, then you are good.
I am glad there are good women out there listening to him also. It's sad that we are in a world where some ppl attack him. Agree with him or not is ok. He is just trying to help ppl . we all could use more of that.
Jocko and Jordan teach about the harsh realities of life and how to make yourself a competent and effective individual in the face of them. Nothing gendered about that.
I agree with this statement 100% I am so grateful for the JRE! I've been introduced to so many people I would have never heard of. People I agree with, people i don't and those in the middle, where I don't mind hearing them out. I'm learning more about other viewpoints and mindsets. I feel very fortunate and blessed to live in a day in age that I have the means and opportunity to gain insight and information while on the go. While leading a busy life. 😊
It was the other way round for me. Dr. Peterson led me to Joe Rogan but yes, I am so glad I am seeing more women in the comment sections lately in these types of content lately. Just really happy. Also, I miss JBP so damn much.
Honestly. If you just talk to people. A.k.a. Friend, then you will feel better. People like to be all dramatic about what's happened to them and claim that no one cares or say that it's not anyone's business. It's like, okay, then feel free to suffer on your own. The reality is if you simply talk to people, you have an outlet and the pressures Doesn't build up until you go nuts. It's that simple. You don't need to spend $500 an hour. Talking to dip s*** who f****** can't fix your problem. Within 10 years or 25 years. Obviously scam.
@@samiamgreeneggaandham yeah, I know a someone who works with the addicted. Real success isn't getting them clean, it's keeping them clean. Zero data on overall effectiveness of the program because they don't follow up anymore after just a couple of years. BTW the taxpayers fund this...
@@samiamgreeneggaandham- I was diagnosed with CPTSD a few years ago which is basically multiple traumatic experiences that are each capable of causing PTSD. I have spent about 5 years being treated for it. What happens to the brain is a normal response to an abdominal injury. Just like you will form a scar when you cut yourself, the lower brain area which is responsible for immediate detection and response to danger becomes overly developed. The problem is that this part of the brain has a tendency to take over and wants to run the show. It will react before you are consciously aware and when it does then you don’t have access to the prefrontal cortex which is the problem solving part and does the higher order thinking skills. So you end up with a superpower for survival which is a very good survival tool but it’s not a good living skill. Conversely operating in the prefrontal cortex is a good living tool but it’s not a good survival tool because it takes too long when it’s a life or death situation and you have to respond immediately. So the reason why therapy takes so long is that you have to build new pathways to connect the lower brain to the upper brain. That doesn’t happen unless you are doing it intentionally. Otherwise the survival part will just override the other parts. You come to rely on survival because it saves your life in an emergency and therefore it’s not just difficult but nearly impossible to shut it off when it’s already activated before the frontal cortex is. If you don’t have the wires to connect from one area to the other then you can’t switch from survival to living very easily when you’re activated by a stimulus. And the stimulus is activating the low brain before you are even aware it happened. So suddenly you don’t feel safe and you’re hit with a fight or flight response and all is was was a sound or smell or look on someone’s face or a black car coming from the right or someone taking a step towards you. Anything that happened before or during the trauma can become a trigger to switch off the cognitive function and switch on survival. I did Nuro feedback therapy and when they did the brain scan, they could see the brain waves for PTSD were in the 90th percentile on the other brain waves were in the 10th percentile. After treatment I was able to get my brainwaves to function closer to a more normal range. I had already had a couple years of therapy before that but then I was attacked by an armed carjacker who fired 26 rounds at me at close range and I shot and killed him. It made it very difficult to negotiate with my lower brain to let go and let the cognitive brain run the show. It wanted to switch to survival 24/7 and that’s an exhausting way to live. Hopefully you’ll find that helps understand the nature of PTSD as a natural response to trauma that is life saving but also becomes a double edged sword.
@@samiamgreeneggaandhamtalk therapy is a scam, but my friends and family aren’t trained in cognitive behavioural therapy and that saved my life literally
@@ChapterMasterADO The alpha/beta stuff is very reductionist. However, lets say such thing exist. If you listen to what Jocko says, and watch how military works, you will find out one thing. Lets say, you have a platoon full of soldiers with the same rank and they are given a mission. If those soldiers are all responsible and disciplined "alphas", they will still choose one of their team mates to take the leader rol. They will pick the one whose judgement they trust the most. Why is it? Because regarless of the hierarchies, every organized team/organization, need someone as the carrier of the vision and a good judgement to get to that vision. They wont fight between themselves to be leaders and inflate their egos. They will pick a competent individual, and will trust their lives on that leaders judgement. In fact, almost anyone that knows what leadership is about perfectly, would rather not be one. Too much responsibility for an untrained human being can be psychologicaly devastating. TL;DR. "Alphas" can be both leaders and followers.
Quick story. Prior Marine. I was in San Diego, riding an electric scooter 4-5 years ago right as it was a idk new thing fell off busted my face, had to go back to Pendleton to get stitches at the hospital. But I had an uber ride back. Met a man from Iraq. Didn't speak much English. Downloaded a translating app so we could talk and he told me how he recently left Iraq because his family was Chrisitian and believed his family would be killed as well as himself would be killed if they stayed. He escaped the country put his family in Istanbul, he alone moved to America to work and support his family in Istanbul....you get few moments in life like that. I remember being so caught up in his story that I completly forgot how split open my face was.....I remember trying to talk to him about that....never saw him again. I hope he reunited with his family.
Usually they do meet their family. They get asylum because they want to be Christian and believe in Jesus Christ. This is common. Often, they have to leave or they will be killed. A guy I know he left too because they killed his family. Same place. He is doing well. I guarantee you if this man has left he is doing well too along with his family.
I am Iraqi and I immigrated with my family to America at age 6. I moved back in 2016 with my family to Baghdad. What Jocko described in the opening, it really happens, not in Baghdad but in Mosul and other cities. And my main goal is gain revenge at what deashe (ISIS) did to my people and my country. So as soon as I finish college I am signing up for Green Beret training. I am currently 15.
That’s an amazing goal, however revenge won’t bring you joy, I think protecting future potential victims is a better motive, but again great goal and I believe in you!
Your education will heal many & safeguard your future bloodline. Creating new victims is an admission of defeat, forever shackled to a meaningless existence.
@@alexMKDtheBEST You can hear the statement, "I am a dead person now" at timestamp 3:41 on this podcast. It is taken from the excerpts of an article from the New York Times that Jocko reads at the onset of the podcast. It is about a young woman's soul crushing experience at the hands of ISIS "men". Many people have skipped the initial story. It is horrific to listen to and be reminded of the evil still in our world- still possible in us. May we always strive for the greater good- the good of the other.
In the beginning God created Heaven and Earth. He created humans too to have a relationship with Him. That's our purpose as humans that have a relationship with God. Sin, however, messed that up because it made us imperfect and imperfect creatures cannot have a relationship with a perfect and holy God. That's why we so oftentimes feel empty, unsatisfied and unaccomplished because we're not in relationship with the God we were created to be in a relationship with. But that's where Jesus comes in. Jesus is God's son and He came down to earth in human form to live the same life we do yet unlike us He never sinned. Jesus is perfect. Yet despite the fact He is perfect He died on the cross for our sins and sacrifice Himself for us. The punishment for our sins is death but because Jesus took that punishment for us if we put our faith in Him and receive Him as Lord and savior we can be reconciled to God and be restored to that relationship we were created to have. And we can be sure that Jesus is the Son of God because on the 3rd day God raised Him from the dead and in that He defeated death and the grave, proving that He can do the same for us if we put our faith in trust in Him. That's how you get to Heaven. That's how you become full in your heart. That's how you become reconciled to the God who created you.
JP - “If you’re not moving forward in your life, there is a high probability that you have some idea or some mode of action or some habit that you won’t let go of it”
Tommy 1•1•Six Orozco *there Not talking shit because the point is true. You can think of *their* is possessive, when you’re talking about someone owning something. “That’s their lawn.” *they’re* is “they are”, like “they’re about to go to the beach”. and *there* is used in a situation like, “I said to him, go over there”. Again not talking shit to you at all, but hopefully that may have helped :)
@@thizlam4810 Have you considered the possibility that it wasn't a conscious error out of ignorance (seeing as it happened a total of one time in his post) and that you just wasted that much time and energy explaining a negligible error in a youtube comment for no reason?
@@thizlam4810 Also, if we are being English language fascists in the youtube comment section, then consider this. English is a meta-language and ANYTHING that conveys a colloquially agreed upon meaning is valid. Maybe not in a research paper or an official document, but by definition. Did you understand the point he was trying to convey? Did using the wrong form of "there" impede your ability to read, interpret or understand the passage? Nope, probably not. Therefore... it holds up by that aforementioned linguistic rules of a meta language. don't be a condescending douche.
@@thizlam4810 You just completely misused the term "white knight" considered that's used for sjws... I'm simply countering your douchey grammatical elitism display with a bigger display of douchey elitism. It was to prove a point. Being condescending and lecturing people's simple mistakes in the comments of a youtube video is pretty obnoxious and cringey isnt it?
He reminds me of my dad. If my dad had been an academic, too. He was a principled man who knew exactly who he was and what he needed to do. I've never met anyone as calm or as committed to helping others with zero fanfare. He was extraordinary. Dr. Peterson has similar gravitas and wisdom about what matters and what one must do. My dad always said he had to accomplish at least one thing every single day...in order to stand himself, I think. I relate to that and hear it in Dr. Peterson's clean your room adage. We have to progress or we wither.
generic username living a poor American life is still better then a majority of living conditions around the world so I’d say there’s not really any big problems.
“Adversity creates men, prosperity creates monsters” we’ve grown weak due to the fact life is fairly easy to get by in US even though we do have our own issues just like every other govt.
generic username I disagree that it’s not a land of opportunity, especially with the internet there’s so many options to create something for yourself that doesn’t have to be a brick and motor business or take out a loan. It’s not a land of free I agree on that point.. the freedom is an illusion
1:52:27 AMAZING BIT ON TRUTH AND LOVE AND LIFE !!!!! 1:59:40 YOUR CONCEPTION OF THINGS MAKES THEM WHAT THEY ARE 2:00:50 DOORS/ GATEKEEPERS PARABLE 2:06:32 SPECIFY YOUR GOALS 2:10:09 ON SCHEDULING 2:23:18 EXCELLENT BIT ON PLANNING THIS PODCAST IS FUCKING AMAZING ! 2:28:22 ON OVERCOMING FEARS / PROGRESSIVE EXPOSURE 2:35:29 ON PERSONALITY TRAITS 2:51:20 - FREEDOM VS RESPONSIBILITY 2:56:15- ON ARCHETYPAL THEMES AND HOW JORDAN STRUCTURES HIS LECTURES 2:59:01 - ON LEADERSHIP AN KNOWING WHERE UR GOING 3:00:42 - ON THE POWER OF PRAISE 3:03:08 - THE IMPORTANCE OF CONSTRUCTIVE CRITIQUE !!! (GREAT BIT) 3:07:13 - THE IMPORTANCE OF MODELING BEING A RESPONSIBLE ADULT TO CHILDREN 3:35:00 - GREAT BIT ON TEACHING KIDS WITH TOUGH LOVE LOL 3:37:50 - GREAT BIT ON WHY PPL DONT DO THE STUFF THEY KNOW THEY SHOULD ALSO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE JOCKO!! YOURE THE MAN, I READ YOUR BOOK EXTREME OWNERSHIP IN LIKE 2 DAYS!! I NEVER READ THAT FAST LMAO
that's the power of the internet man. A mostly free encyclopedia with so much gold in it, so much things to learn about to better yourself. We live in weird times, still, it's pretty cool to chose what you want to watch.
This podcast made me clean my room and when I was done I head over to the gym and did Deadlifts. When that was done, drove home and ate 2 steaks. Now I feel like a man.
@@sondersonics7534 he is only interested in being able to say "brown people" for some virtue signal. Everyone are people. Him seeing peoples skin color in everything is a non factor here. He obviously does'nt realize what guys like Jocko actually do for us. No matter if their superiors are corrupt or just.
It's perfectly true that almost everything Dr. Peterson says I either agree with or update my current ideas on the subject. That's truly remarkable for a man to know so much universal truth and then to articulate it! He's a true role model in my life.
TH-cam's content is 99% garbage, but then there is the 1% that is pure gold, and this is proof of what I'm saying. Salutes and thanks all the way from Spain 💪🔥
Errrmmm... No. Those people may not be dummies but they are not showing intelligence or critical reasoning. Most of TH-cam is not garbage. Most of TH-cam random, trivia, self-exposition and entertainment. Promoting the notion that most of TH-cam is garbage is not smart. Dummies is an understandable submission.
i like how jacko nods every time JBP looks at him while talking. encouraging him to keep going. it's good to have these podcasts where people listen to the man.
So many people in today's world need to listen to this podcast. Me included, of course. Put your damn phones down, RAISE your kids, have self discipline, help others, be kind, be honest, be true to yourself, be humble, respect yourself and others, have purpose and ambition, don't self pity, respect authority and overall just strive to be the best version of yourself during our short time on earth!
Thank you for your service sir. That's probably a statement that's been oversaturated but I genuinely mean thank you. Related to your comment, if you could handle tours of duty I have faith that you can handle navigating our weird society today. I believe in you sir.
Same killer. I am nearly at wits end and the end of my belay with my mind and perspective and how much social pushback I get for it. Caused some serious 5 year isolation. I am only just starting to dig a hole upwards. I need help. JP helps a lot.
@@hush-615 I don't think you know what he means. College and University don't teach you the fundamentals of human nature and how to live your life properly and in search of truth. Teachers are there to get paid not to raise. I'm glad there are people like Jocko and Peterson who reach the people that need this talk the most. Cheers.
@@AbsoluteArch Sure, I get that. University filled me up with immense knowledge about my field and their 4 years of training prepared me for the career that I'm currently enjoying. Listening to guys who've endured a lot of hardships like Jocko taught me a lot about life and gave me a lot of perspective. I think the former is intelligence and the latter is wisdom. So I get what the guy is saying, but I guess I disagree with him because I don't think someone can really say one is 'more' than the other since each represents a different aspect of life.
Whenever I enter a dark place in my mind, whenever I lose my focus and my motivation, whenever I doubt my abilities and my self-worth, and whenever I want to let my day end in failure, I turn to Jocko Willink or Jordan Peterson, and they bring me back to the light.
So glad these old podcasts are still available. My son and I listened to Jocko's podcast's on a 3 hour drive to go to an airshow with both military jets and stunt pilots. He has just been accepted into a pilot program. Jocko's podcasts helped him make little changes to turn his life around and be more disciplined. I had been bingeing watching Joe Rogan podcasts with Dr. Peterson(and watching JP on other podcasts as well) for a week leading up to this. This is part of the heavy duty transformation I've been going through the past 5 years. I hit a road block a couple years ago and did a lot of backsliding and struggled to get back on the wagon. My eureka moment came several years ago when I was taking accountability for my weakness, too many to list and some of that includes raising 4 children alone for 20 years. I am a 50 something woman who absolutely loves kung fu movies and it made me think about the discipline it takes to train and become a great martial artist! That is what I lacked all my life was self-discipline. I knew I needed to make another change, to get back on track. Listening to Jocko and JP, and then this one together has really bolstered my goals. I've made a commitment to myself to make these small changes that in the end will add up to something big. I did it once before, but lost motivation (which I understand why now) Now I'm ready to focus, reach my goals and stay on track.
Thanks for sharing, I backslid pretty heavily myself after having great success in my 30s. A bad break-up can do that though and discipline is what I am struggling with as well. I'm optimistic I can turn it around. Hope all those small changes you made are adding up to something significant 8 months later.
@@zarbins Thank you. Not doing too bad, but not where I want to be...yet. The biggest thing, I quit drinking and that really helped my motivation. Back on healthy eating, exercising and setting reasonable goals. Life isn't too bad! Looking forward to summer and go hiking, swimming, kayaking, camping with my significant other!
@@rowanstarling3816 Congrats on quitting drinking! That's huge success and sounds like it will put you in a great place to enjoy summer :) Alcohol has plagued my family and I know stopping is no small task. Reasonable goals and forging ahead is a great plan. Best of luck to you!
@@AmericanHothead Going through the holy sacrament of communion Getting a lobster flavored potato chip instead of a tasteless small wafer Sounds like a improvement
@@AmericanHothead I'd rather die than go to church, but if Peterson hosted it, every Sunday would be the lords day. I wouldn't miss a Sunday. I'm not even Christian but still. We miss out on the fact that the local community gathers at a single location once a week and shoots the shit.
I think it’s impossible to listen to Jordan Peterson and not walk away a better man. Just hearing him say you can and should strive for more integrity in life is invigorating every time because literally no one else is giving that message to men these days.
Jesus it’s kinda hard to deal with Jordan when he just drops a huge wisdom bomb in the middle of a sentence and then carries on like he didn’t just spit fire. “When you kill your ideal you’re lost” and then just continues what he was saying.
@@bsgrjsbrsqdbarj3900 You can recognize good qualities of people you want to see in yourself without making them into some unreachable ideal. Pedestalizing would be saying "These men are so great and unique, i could never be like that". I just saw a lot of people in the comments making them out to be something more than well educated and disciplined men.
just got to that part and the look on Jordan Peterson's face is priceless. It just screams that yeah, I actually would like some security from tough guys like you. And maybe some jiu-jitsu training. Or "Yeah, now that you mention it, some security would be nice"!
That look on JP's face broke my heart a little bit. He doesn't have a record for being a drama queen, so the fact that he admitted that he actually needed security speaks volumes about what he's going through.
I felt a chill when I saw this nod. kinda epic, that they'll work together - besides this episode of course. But it also made me realize, how it must feel for the organisers. For me, those free speech events are mostly entertainment, especially when sjw's 'sperg out. But it is not a laughing matter I guess, especially if its Jordan Peterson of all people, who looks this worried.
Jordan Peterson @36:05 "You don't get to leap from being a 17-year old knothead who doesn't know anything and who isn't disciplined to the critic of Judaeo-Christian society. You just don't know enough to do that."
I came back and watched this years later and I just can't believe how much Jocko is gushing with Jordan Peterson. He loves the man, admires him, and is so authentic, it's great to see.
Thank God that modern technology exists and that conversations like this can be recorded, saved, and revisited-indefinitely. There are nigh countless moments in this single conversation where I had the impulse to pause the video and write down my thoughts on an individual sentence, phrase, or word that was said, but my written thoughts on it would make no sense without also writing down the context… which could take ages, and far longer than my retention of the original thought in the first place. One day, I’ll get all my thoughts and ideas written down and sorted out once and for all-that’ll also be the same day I die at 153 years old… probably from covid.
I've watched hundreds and hundreds of hours of Peterson and this is still my favourite. Insanely well-rounded conversation. Discipline + Cleaning Your Room = Freedom.
Go get your CDL, clock 100,000 miles (trust me it sucks ass), then start looking for Fuel Hauling jobs. I was unemployed for two years and 4 weeks ago I started where I’m at. Two weeks ago I made $1,900 and last week I worked 3 days and made $1,100. I went from living off of VA disability and SNAP (food stamps) to looking at making $80,000 next year in a matter of 2 weeks.
hopefully ill have a similar story. calling in to the grocery store about my app to get a interview crackin asap. hoping for the bakery position but im willing to get in anywhere and work my way up, learning new things and finally grabbing hold of some responsibility.
You both are changing people’s lives. Not an exaggeration in any way. I am proof. I have had a hard life but that girl and so many other people have been through so much worse. And because of discussions like this and people like these two, now I want to fight even harder for those going through this sort of thing. You men have solidified my belief that this is one of my purposes in life. Just have to figure out what to do with it. Thank you both, from the core of my being.
Your worst traumas are really your greatest gifts when you voluntarily take on the pain of it head on and back it down. It's PRESSURE makes diamonds or its steel that sharpens steel etc etc and you will become the true version of "you" only when this is accomplished but you will be INFINITELY more powerful than you can possibly fathom. I wish you good luck with your journey friend ❤
This was a long time coming...... And it was WELL WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Warrior Philosopher and the Philosopher Warrior coming together. Cannot wait until the next one!
No, not even close. I've made similar comments to this like 3-4 times. Most of the time it was where I found him involved in something very unexpected or on a channel I've never heard of before. Though I do think there are some other people who spam comments like this on many of his videos.
I was a dishwasher at 37 due to job circumstances. Took me 3 years to get out of that situation. I totally relate where Jordan talks about the CV quest.
I feel the power in Jocko's voice when he reads these personal stories of the horrors of war. He isn't just some news anchor reading words off a teleprompter in a dead voice.
Jocko and Jordan, here to pull us up out of the abyss, whether we want to be saved or not. And Echo is here to keep the chopper gassed up and ready to go.
Ex Nihilo a french style revolution is not the answer, that was just a murderous mob. Here is the thing, anyone pronouncing we are doomed or we are just fine is flat out wrong. We are all either adding in a positive manner to our society or we are contri ting to it negatively. We do not know the outcome because the outcome is contingent on what each of us choose to do.
French style revolution...so execute those in power, then become even more violent, arbitrary and tyrannical than they ever were? The French revolution is a great example of what happens when you destroy the existing social order without a proper plan of what to replace it with. A good contrast is the American revolution, where they put real thought and debate into how to keep their revolution from backfiring and regressing like the French one did.
I remember the Joe Rogan podcast where he asks (orders) Jocko to start his own podcast. Here he is addressing the existential points we face as humans in the way that shit should be addressed and Peterson got his facts straight like a navy salute. This is the internet at it's best. Thx both for taking the effort of making this happen!
I have listened to this conversation about 4 times and I keep coming back to it periodically. It's one of the most meaningful and dense podcast I have ever heard. There is so much content to unpack. Award worthy.
Jocko you are an inspiration, the world needs to hear this, I have family in Syria who were displaced from their homes and now hiding in fear. Keep up the great content. God bless.
Jocko and Jordan together needs to be a recurring dynamic or a show unto itself. We'll all be waking up at 4:30 AM to clean our rooms. Exactly what the world (and I) needs more of.
I had considered the Yin Yang. There is definitely some Jocko in the Jordan and some Jordan in the Jocko. This conversation confirmed how they both came to the same bits of wisdom through two very different ways. It is the one way that comes from the two...that is still one. It sounds like Eastern philosophy or quantum physics....both of which I am too simple to understand...but I want to build my world from that yin yang. I have an aversion to writing a schedule for myself, but everything else was tremendously helpful and well put. Love these guys.
I have been studying zen buddhism and daoism for several years now and i cannot help but find many similarities and correlations (whether it be literally or metaphorically) between warriors and buddhas. I think it is just reciprocity. Positive and negative, light and dark, good and evil. Good and evil will dance and flow with each other until the end of time, it always has an always will. Accept and TRULY understand the bad and the good, and well you end up like Jocko and Jordan. Truly understand and you remove all self imposed limitations.
So, Jocko starts describing an atrocity in Iraq carried out by daesh (ISIS), they go into some heavy stuff about the Holocaust and Unit 731. I had no problems listening, and even looking up what Dr. Jordan discussed (because, when someone says "don't look it up, you'll get traumatized" it just instigates that curiosity like a moth drawn to the flame...). Yup, I'm a monster. Two tours in Iraq myself (Mosul back in '05 in particular, I used to see a psychologist just about every time I saw Mosul on the news a couple years ago...), and so, as a monster (certified knuckle dragger, though not as bad ass as Jocko, I was on the conventional side only) nothing about ISIS or Unit 731 seemed to phase me. Part of that the result of the work with my psychologist in dealing with the post traumatic stress (EMDR, breathing methods, etc.). I got to about 3:13:00 though, and had to step out for a bit and using my coping methods (from the EMDR). What about? Well, the story Dr. Jordan tells of his wife and the little boy they watched. Neglecting children, especially by parents here in the first world, somehow manages to tear me to pieces emotionally more than all I ever saw in Iraq. Amazing how that works sometimes, but that is indeed why my post-military career couldn't be as a first responder. I tried, volunteered with a fire department, and worked in security to see if police and fire were in my future. Nope. As a security officer, almost dying by walking into drug deals, people wanting to fight me, cussing me out for being in a uniform and authority did not phase me in the least. What killed the first responder career was child neglect and endangerment. I encountered a mother strung out on drugs parked in her car, with a child in the passenger seat. That hit me harder than anything I'd ever experienced prior in Iraq. We all have our soft spots. A child's emotional and physical well being is mine. Strangely, what I saw happen to children in Iraq never impacted me the same way in which simple neglect seems to impact me here. This has led me to conclusion that in war you can rationalize the violence that impacts people better, because it is war. When you see someone neglect a child in the first world, with no reason (just lame excuses, known as 'first world problems'), I cannot rationalize it. I am just starting to process this, but it still tears at my soul. Yup, I'm a monster, and I could not be happier with myself for it. War made me a better man, and prepared me to be a good father. I know the beast within, and like Dr. Jordan talks about, I seem to be putting it to good use. Right after I got back from that deployment to Mosul, my wife and welcomed our first son into this world (within a couple of weeks no less). That was the greatest achievement of my our lives at that time (and have enjoyed welcoming three more, with one more on the way since). It occurred at a very raw emotional time, and forever left an imprint on our minds and souls (and for my wife, her body...). That memory of a child entering this world, and of him sleeping on my chest (after mom got first dibs for that at any rate) are two memories I have used as part of my coping (combined with the breathing and other practices). Perhaps that is why I cannot rationalize, relate to, nor understand this problem in the first world where we casually neglect our children. I'm glad I am a monster, and I'm glad I know the beast from war. I'm still a work in progress (who isn't? someone lying to themselves...), but thank you for giving me a better understanding of accepting this; and how to use it to do good in the world. Especially that start point of changing diapers, and holding a screaming baby who just can't calm down. One step at a time, it is the little things.
I agree. I think he was at his best because of what he thinks his audience is. I don’t know how to explain that but it’s different when he’s, say, having a long form with Dr. Oz or the TV interviewers.
Jordan needs to tour to speak at churches all around the world, he explains the meaning and the message behind the biblical texts better than any preacher or priest I've ever heard, and it can be appreciated by Christians and atheists alike.
As an Agnostic/Atheist (still deciding,) Jordan opened me up to using some religious traits/practices in a non-religious life that I never thought I could apply. He does a really great job.
The Church have doctrines, many of them different, they would roit against him....... This is coming from a person who hasbeen a Christian all his life
Cried watching this brilliant podcast. It's nice to listen to great people and how they mould and build great individuals. Reminded me of how my parents helped me practice a speech I needed to deliver infront of my whole school when I was 8yo. It didn't just teach me how to do public speaking, but that experience taught me how to be brave and vulnerable by being open to the unknown. It also made me appreciate how I was disciplined as a child. I have a long way to go, but this is so reassuring. thank you, more power.
"College? No!, Education? No!.; I want to be a commando." -Joko Is amazing how two men with such different backgrounds have come to similar conclusions in life, one with hardships of war and the discipline required to lead and survive, the other with the study of the human nature and the teaching left by those before him. So different and yet so alike.
@@justinblair2630 He wasn't calling him uneducated. He was pointing out how they both have recieved their education about the world/humanity through drastically different experiences, and yet still have come to similar conclusions.
Hi Jocko, I am a casual Podcast viewer. This is perhaps one of the best podcasts I've come across of Peterson so thank you so much, it was hard for me to make up my mind about him views. However, I found this interview so refreshing and thought provoking. I enjoyed listening to your experience in the military and how you found your purpose as well. I was mostly neutral about Peterson since I understand what he's talking about philosophically about psychology and religion; his talking points are incredibly high level and it takes so much introspection, life-lived, and knowledge to ACTUALLY follow what he has to say so I understand why he got "cancel" at one point and how that affected his mental health since his messages are fundamentally good beliefs. At one point, I questioned his intentions when he was riding his hype (due to conservative media) too dangerously by knowingly convey his message in a way that would elicit a reaction and his lack of credence when it came to juxtaposition his views with modern times. Despite him having conservative views and being "correct" in terms of principle, society has overwhelmingly moved on from those concepts without a "major collapse" like we're not going into a recession because of transgender people. He overuses old ideals to convey his message in a modern world and just doesn't work on a younger audience. Peterson is human and its easy for anyone to eclipse themselves when they gain so much fame suddenly. Anyways, I saw some of his talks about his physical and mental health struggles and his belief in God made me think "ok, Peterson just got canceled, politics aren't as popular anymore, so he's bringing himself to an equilibrium." He's not changed, maybe he's not showing up on everyones FY page or conservative politics but he's always stayed true to himself after everything he's been through. It's inspiring cause he got "mega" canceled like losing his teaching credentials and ability to practice clinical psychology which is messed up cause we need more people that understand the mind like Peterson.
I want thank both of these men for giving me hope about self-improvement. Jocko made me realize how powerful and freeing self-improvement is. Dr. Peterson made me realize how real and meaningful it is.
When the smartest tough guy meets the toughest smart guy. Pure gold.
God, I couldn't stop laughing.
is jordan the smartest tough guy or the toughest smart guy? lol
YUBEL Δ toughest smart guy haha
Well said.
Makes no sense bro. Don't think Jordan acts tough at all.
I think this entire country needs another Jocko/Jordan podcast. ASAP
Think we need that conversation now more than ever
Mandatory education worthy.
Jordan peterson podcast tour would be nice
Yep
It will happen with patience. Dr Peterson just explained about a week ago with his daughter in conversation to explain his emergence from a difficult sickness. He is also diligently working on his latest book and probable world touring. He will have a tremendous amount to say with current events soon.
I´m 23, and I can tell you, Jordan and Jocko are two big role models for our generation. This podcast is just gold. Please, never, never stop this podcast. More young people need to listen this guys. My generation needs it.
Jory Evans well it’s a bitter , harsh fucking pill to swallow . I’m 20 years old and realIzed almost every SINGLE part of me had to burned off and it was difficult to understand how stupid , selfish and ignorant i was.
leaveovertheriver That's great, and a very refreshing thing to hear. These guys are fantastic role models.
leaveovertheriver i drive between places for my job and today I was listening to this between destinations and I deliberately took the longer routes to get more time listening hahaha
same happened to me.
They both are my mentors :D
5yrs later and this is still one of the best conversations on the internet. Thank all three of you for being great men.
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😊😊😊
It feels recent. All the hate he received completely unjustified.
Yeah pretty much everything Dr. Peterson puts out seems timeless. It's hard to believe this is 6 years ago because the man has barely changed it seems like.
I have heard this podcast 5 times already
Love it
Jocko just gets it. He understands to point Jordan in a direction and let him fully explore his ideas uninterrupted. Gained a fan my dude. Great show.
Not only that but he's eager to listen to Peterson, which is so incredible knowing he's listening to Peterson as intently as we are
Yeah I was really frustrated when Peterson was on the H3 podcast and he was on a really interesting thread about sociopaths and the host jumps in and changes the subject. Jocko lets it play out.
Jocko shows his mastery of risk assessment and is a great example of how to command yourself; Jocko's actions are uninfluenced and unaffected by malice of others. He has obtained the "American Dream" (freedom of thought not objects or social status). This is a great model for parenting and should be the basis of our elementary education (how to learn); currently authoritarian Learning (authority decides facts) only teaches submission to authority or perceived authority. USA DOE standard is 12 years to become a productive member of society, USMC officer training is 10 weeks to become proficient as unit command (critical thinking under dire & solitary situations)
Jake Conner "should be the basis of our elementary education (how to learn)" might want to learn to read before you strain that pea size brain, fucktard
Yeah, he made me a fan as well.
I love that Jocko lets Jordan speak at length without interruption.
This is the best interviewer there is. Period!
He knows how to listen actually
That's the one thing that bothers me sometimes about Joe Rogan (he interrupts people a lot)
I agree, Rogan is kind of a disrespectful tool
I think we're all forgetting how terrible Gary V is at this
"A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very, very, dangerous man, who has that under voluntary control." Jordan B. Peterson. Spot on. Our society was in such desperate need of a highly educated, respectable, expert on the mind and the human condition, to come forward and speak basic common sense with learned authority. He is a treasure.
Neither you nor Peterson are dangerous men though😂😂
No, Andrew, that is the primitive view. To think of someone as not dangerous because he doesn't look or in fact is not physically strong is ridiculous. That's what some of Augustus' enemies probably thought, too. And then there were none...
As Jocko says, "smart is always better than strong". They are not mutually exclusive, of course, so it would be optimal to score high in both areas.
@@arvidfalk5719 Nice troll control :3
Andrew Solomon you don’t know a god damn thing
Jason Wright I was about to write the exact same thing, well put sir!!!
"...if you think that Evil does not exist in the World, you are wrong." Profoundly said.
Yeah, like Americans in War
@@ShamimKhaliq All men (and women) in war risk surfacing their dark side. You know why? Because war is Hell. At least a version of it. Also, the grunts at the bottom oftentimes have little choice which suffering they will be entering... or committing.
Do you think you would be exempt from this if it came to war in your country? America has committed war crimes, yes, you are correct. But as has basically every nation that ever existed in history. Do you want to discuss the scale and compare the level of suffering?
@ShamimKhaliq There are evil people all over the world. What are you trying to say?
@@KianaG1280 Sorry, I'd just seen Robert Sapolsky describe American soldiers shooting babies in war; American soldiers are significantly more atrocious than other soldiers. I'm Muslim but have to say Bravo to Israelis for not raping and killing innocents; they stick to military aged men.
@@ShamimKhaliqwhat about Hamas? Anything bad to say about them? Would hope so.
“A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very dangerous man who has that under voluntary control.” -Jordan Peterson
We need more gentleman barbarians.
So all budhists, atheists and peace loving individuals cannot be good because they are not dangerous??? What utter rot. Just coz it sounds cool, doesn't make it true.
@@spire393 the potential for evil makes a good man a good man in this sense. A harmless man is weak, fragile and does not act out of fear. If you are not free to sin, then neither are you free to not sin.
Simple analogy: super heroes. They have super powers and the power of choice, therefore they are dangerous, yet decide to be good. A weak wimp who cowers in fear is not a hero. Hope this helps.
@@antoniemitartristanvandrim6898 thankss for your input, but I still believe that a weak coward of a person can still be good. For example, he may harbour thoughts of killing, raping or maiming, but realises that it is better to not act on these impulses. Therefore, good men can be weak and cowardly.
@@spire393 You're proving the point though may I have worded it wrongly. This might be clearer: Not utilising the potential for evil whilst the choice is there makes a good man. Weak and harmless mean in this specific sense no choice in acting in an evil manner. No freedom to sin = No freedom to not sin.
A coward will not act because he is a coward, no matter the thoughts harboured. Weakness doesn't just refer to physical weakness.
@@spire393 Buddha was a businessman before becoming enlightened. This doesn’t refer to purely violence, but to effectiveness. If you are able to screw over people by selling them on bad deals, you are dangerous if you choose not to, then you are good.
I'll be forever grateful to Joe Rogan for introducing me to these two legitimate role models, and I'm a woman.
Get well soon Dr. Peterson.
I am glad there are good women out there listening to him also. It's sad that we are in a world where some ppl attack him. Agree with him or not is ok. He is just trying to help ppl . we all could use more of that.
Jocko and Jordan teach about the harsh realities of life and how to make yourself a competent and effective individual in the face of them. Nothing gendered about that.
Same here!
I agree with this statement 100% I am so grateful for the JRE! I've been introduced to so many people I would have never heard of. People I agree with, people i don't and those in the middle, where I don't mind hearing them out. I'm learning more about other viewpoints and mindsets. I feel very fortunate and blessed to live in a day in age that I have the means and opportunity to gain insight and information while on the go. While leading a busy life. 😊
It was the other way round for me. Dr. Peterson led me to Joe Rogan but yes, I am so glad I am seeing more women in the comment sections lately in these types of content lately. Just really happy. Also, I miss JBP so damn much.
I swear talking to Jordan Peterson is like running systems diagnostics on your brain
Why not both?
its more like willfully uploading malware
@@rainerlordofpigsdesigns5427 I willfully uploaded malware when I read your comment
Best comment I've ever heard describing what's going on in my brain when I listen to J. P
@Name yeah thats what I meant my bad 😂
I've had PTSD for 25 years. This talk has been worth all the years of therapy.
Do u think u could get this much without having therapy for long time? (Serious question, and i hope ure fine)
Honestly. If you just talk to people. A.k.a. Friend, then you will feel better. People like to be all dramatic about what's happened to them and claim that no one cares or say that it's not anyone's business. It's like, okay, then feel free to suffer on your own. The reality is if you simply talk to people, you have an outlet and the pressures Doesn't build up until you go nuts. It's that simple. You don't need to spend $500 an hour. Talking to dip s*** who f****** can't fix your problem. Within 10 years or 25 years. Obviously scam.
@@samiamgreeneggaandham yeah, I know a someone who works with the addicted. Real success isn't getting them clean, it's keeping them clean. Zero data on overall effectiveness of the program because they don't follow up anymore after just a couple of years. BTW the taxpayers fund this...
@@samiamgreeneggaandham- I was diagnosed with CPTSD a few years ago which is basically multiple traumatic experiences that are each capable of causing PTSD.
I have spent about 5 years being treated for it. What happens to the brain is a normal response to an abdominal injury. Just like you will form a scar when you cut yourself, the lower brain area which is responsible for immediate detection and response to danger becomes overly developed.
The problem is that this part of the brain has a tendency to take over and wants to run the show. It will react before you are consciously aware and when it does then you don’t have access to the prefrontal cortex which is the problem solving part and does the higher order thinking skills.
So you end up with a superpower for survival which is a very good survival tool but it’s not a good living skill. Conversely operating in the prefrontal cortex is a good living tool but it’s not a good survival tool because it takes too long when it’s a life or death situation and you have to respond immediately.
So the reason why therapy takes so long is that you have to build new pathways to connect the lower brain to the upper brain. That doesn’t happen unless you are doing it intentionally. Otherwise the survival part will just override the other parts. You come to rely on survival because it saves your life in an emergency and therefore it’s not just difficult but nearly impossible to shut it off when it’s already activated before the frontal cortex is. If you don’t have the wires to connect from one area to the other then you can’t switch from survival to living very easily when you’re activated by a stimulus. And the stimulus is activating the low brain before you are even aware it happened. So suddenly you don’t feel safe and you’re hit with a fight or flight response and all is was was a sound or smell or look on someone’s face or a black car coming from the right or someone taking a step towards you. Anything that happened before or during the trauma can become a trigger to switch off the cognitive function and switch on survival.
I did Nuro feedback therapy and when they did the brain scan, they could see the brain waves for PTSD were in the 90th percentile on the other brain waves were in the 10th percentile. After treatment I was able to get my brainwaves to function closer to a more normal range. I had already had a couple years of therapy before that but then I was attacked by an armed carjacker who fired 26 rounds at me at close range and I shot and killed him. It made it very difficult to negotiate with my lower brain to let go and let the cognitive brain run the show. It wanted to switch to survival 24/7 and that’s an exhausting way to live.
Hopefully you’ll find that helps understand the nature of PTSD as a natural response to trauma that is life saving but also becomes a double edged sword.
@@samiamgreeneggaandhamtalk therapy is a scam, but my friends and family aren’t trained in cognitive behavioural therapy and that saved my life literally
Thank God there are real men teaching men how to be men.
There are less of those men than there are their counterparts
@@PermanentHigh Alphas and the rest. Not everyone is supposed to he a leader. Lol. Not all mean are made equal.
@@ChapterMasterADO The alpha/beta stuff is very reductionist.
However, lets say such thing exist. If you listen to what Jocko says, and watch how military works, you will find out one thing. Lets say, you have a platoon full of soldiers with the same rank and they are given a mission. If those soldiers are all responsible and disciplined "alphas", they will still choose one of their team mates to take the leader rol. They will pick the one whose judgement they trust the most.
Why is it? Because regarless of the hierarchies, every organized team/organization, need someone as the carrier of the vision and a good judgement to get to that vision.
They wont fight between themselves to be leaders and inflate their egos. They will pick a competent individual, and will trust their lives on that leaders judgement.
In fact, almost anyone that knows what leadership is about perfectly, would rather not be one. Too much responsibility for an untrained human being can be psychologicaly devastating.
TL;DR.
"Alphas" can be both leaders and followers.
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”
My favorite saying
@@kevinz2738 Thats a very complex answer to an pathetic incel. I think is not worth the effort mate.
How does a man named “Echo” remain perfectly quiet for 3 hours? Good stuff
Best comment on a Jocko video I've ever seen. 😂
There's a silence between the source and the echo, he's just waiting to create the next source
Dude is the opposite of JRE's old Brian Redban. In the best way.
He's basicly Jocko's equivalent of Joe Rogan's "Jamie" and that's perfectly fine
I thought this was an exaggeration but you weren't kidding.
Finally, someone tough enough for a hardcore delivery of straight up Peterson for over 3.5 hours. Powerful stuff.
Masterpiece.
Well put!! Lol
Listened to every second of it!
Very positive & powerful stuff indeed!
Quick story.
Prior Marine. I was in San Diego, riding an electric scooter 4-5 years ago right as it was a idk new thing fell off busted my face, had to go back to Pendleton to get stitches at the hospital. But I had an uber ride back. Met a man from Iraq. Didn't speak much English. Downloaded a translating app so we could talk and he told me how he recently left Iraq because his family was Chrisitian and believed his family would be killed as well as himself would be killed if they stayed. He escaped the country put his family in Istanbul, he alone moved to America to work and support his family in Istanbul....you get few moments in life like that. I remember being so caught up in his story that I completly forgot how split open my face was.....I remember trying to talk to him about that....never saw him again. I hope he reunited with his family.
❤️🤝
Damn, sorry about your face. But, hope that guy's situation improves. It sounds terrifying, I would not wish that on any innocent soul.
Like no name no anything, i have zero way of knowing how that story ended. I can only hope it worked out well, so I like to think it did.
@@tykingery9161 dope
Usually they do meet their family. They get asylum because they want to be Christian and believe in Jesus Christ. This is common. Often, they have to leave or they will be killed. A guy I know he left too because they killed his family. Same place. He is doing well. I guarantee you if this man has left he is doing well too along with his family.
Me: "Oh Cool! a new Jordan Peterson Vid - I'll check this out"
First 5 Minutes: "Shit. that's Heavy"
MajesticDemonLord I'd just woken up and was having my morning coffee. Been a while since I've been caught off-guard like that 😥
say like it is brother.
More like
Me: "Sweet JBP on Jocko!"
First 5 Minutes: WHAT THE FUCK AM I LISTENING TO AHHHH BUT I FEEL COMPELLED TO NOT SKIP AAAAHHHHHHHHH
Deep shit
I admit.... Within the first minute, I was counting my blessings that I was born over here.
I am Iraqi and I immigrated with my family to America at age 6. I moved back in 2016 with my family to Baghdad. What Jocko described in the opening, it really happens, not in Baghdad but in Mosul and other cities. And my main goal is gain revenge at what deashe (ISIS) did to my people and my country. So as soon as I finish college I am signing up for Green Beret training. I am currently 15.
You are truly an amazing individual. We need more people like you in the USA.
That’s an amazing goal, however revenge won’t bring you joy, I think protecting future potential victims is a better motive, but again great goal and I believe in you!
Good on you. Best of luck with the training!
Hell yes brother. Hell yes.
Your education will heal many & safeguard your future bloodline. Creating new victims is an admission of defeat, forever shackled to a meaningless existence.
"I am a dead person now" this truly send a chill down my spine. I have never heard anything this soul crushing before.
whats the timestamp of that quote and from which literature ?
we all gonna make it brah
@@alexMKDtheBEST You can hear the statement, "I am a dead person now" at timestamp 3:41 on this podcast. It is taken from the excerpts of an article from the New York Times that Jocko reads at the onset of the podcast. It is about a young woman's soul crushing experience at the hands of ISIS "men".
Many people have skipped the initial story. It is horrific to listen to and be reminded of the evil still in our world- still possible in us.
May we always strive for the greater good- the good of the other.
Before Jocko finished reading the intro i was strapped, packed and ready for the fucking harvest,man.
In the beginning God created Heaven and Earth. He created humans too to have a relationship with Him. That's our purpose as humans that have a relationship with God. Sin, however, messed that up because it made us imperfect and imperfect creatures cannot have a relationship with a perfect and holy God. That's why we so oftentimes feel empty, unsatisfied and unaccomplished because we're not in relationship with the God we were created to be in a relationship with. But that's where Jesus comes in. Jesus is God's son and He came down to earth in human form to live the same life we do yet unlike us He never sinned. Jesus is perfect. Yet despite the fact He is perfect He died on the cross for our sins and sacrifice Himself for us. The punishment for our sins is death but because Jesus took that punishment for us if we put our faith in Him and receive Him as Lord and savior we can be reconciled to God and be restored to that relationship we were created to have. And we can be sure that Jesus is the Son of God because on the 3rd day God raised Him from the dead and in that He defeated death and the grave, proving that He can do the same for us if we put our faith in trust in Him. That's how you get to Heaven. That's how you become full in your heart. That's how you become reconciled to the God who created you.
JP - “If you’re not moving forward in your life, there is a high probability that you have some idea or some mode of action or some habit that you won’t let go of it”
Tommy 1•1•Six Orozco *there
Not talking shit because the point is true. You can think of *their* is possessive, when you’re talking about someone owning something. “That’s their lawn.” *they’re* is “they are”, like “they’re about to go to the beach”. and *there* is used in a situation like, “I said to him, go over there”.
Again not talking shit to you at all, but hopefully that may have helped :)
@@thizlam4810 Have you considered the possibility that it wasn't a conscious error out of ignorance (seeing as it happened a total of one time in his post) and that you just wasted that much time and energy explaining a negligible error in a youtube comment for no reason?
@@thizlam4810 Also, if we are being English language fascists in the youtube comment section, then consider this. English is a meta-language and ANYTHING that conveys a colloquially agreed upon meaning is valid. Maybe not in a research paper or an official document, but by definition. Did you understand the point he was trying to convey? Did using the wrong form of "there" impede your ability to read, interpret or understand the passage? Nope, probably not. Therefore... it holds up by that aforementioned linguistic rules of a meta language. don't be a condescending douche.
Warren Shepard Lmao the white Knight has arrived 😂 r/iamverysmart
@@thizlam4810 You just completely misused the term "white knight" considered that's used for sjws... I'm simply countering your douchey grammatical elitism display with a bigger display of douchey elitism. It was to prove a point. Being condescending and lecturing people's simple mistakes in the comments of a youtube video is pretty obnoxious and cringey isnt it?
I’m a woman, and Jordan Peterson is the most inspiring man in the world to me.
I am also, and I relate to the feelings of tremendous inspiration. Much needed during this chaotic time
Geraldine Beckman You're Smart Woman....
He reminds me of my dad. If my dad had been an academic, too. He was a principled man who knew exactly who he was and what he needed to do. I've never met anyone as calm or as committed to helping others with zero fanfare. He was extraordinary. Dr. Peterson has similar gravitas and wisdom about what matters and what one must do. My dad always said he had to accomplish at least one thing every single day...in order to stand himself, I think. I relate to that and hear it in Dr. Peterson's clean your room adage. We have to progress or we wither.
Geraldine Beckman you haven’t met me...
truth
Brings me joy to see Jocko and Jordan getting the recognition they deserve. Two great role models for our generation.
The world needs more men like these two for sure!
Jocko, Jordan, Joe and J/Goggins 😂
This must be the 3rd time for this one... Jocko and JP are directly responsible for helping me beat 30 years of fear
I cleaned the ENTIRE house this morning. Then as a reward, saw the notification for this podcast. Coincidence? I think not, sirs, I think not...
Can't be, I think it's more rational to think that the universe rewarded you for cleaning your house 😂 😂
Aida Gradim I think its the higher consciousnesses telling you something
Clean faster
Jordan: *is talking*
Jocko: *breathes loudly*
This is platinum
Add to the military perspective, every veteran can get somthing and enjoy..
Ok i busted out laughing at this one. Thank you sir hahahha
I see the joke, but man I didn't hear even the slightest breath of insecurity in this discussion.
Jocko's lungs are the drums to Jordan's march.
"The biggest problem that we have in America is that we don't have any big problems"
Subscribed.
generic username living a poor American life is still better then a majority of living conditions around the world so I’d say there’s not really any big problems.
@@Arbitrary_Moniker truth. I been out of the us plenty of times... I agree other places are nicer. Waaay nicer and "more free".
dumb statement. 1 million people going bankrupt every year because of medical bills is just the start of a problems.
“Adversity creates men, prosperity creates monsters” we’ve grown weak due to the fact life is fairly easy to get by in US even though we do have our own issues just like every other govt.
generic username I disagree that it’s not a land of opportunity, especially with the internet there’s so many options to create something for yourself that doesn’t have to be a brick and motor business or take out a loan. It’s not a land of free I agree on that point.. the freedom is an illusion
1:52:27 AMAZING BIT ON TRUTH AND LOVE AND LIFE !!!!!
1:59:40 YOUR CONCEPTION OF THINGS MAKES THEM WHAT THEY ARE
2:00:50 DOORS/ GATEKEEPERS PARABLE
2:06:32 SPECIFY YOUR GOALS
2:10:09 ON SCHEDULING
2:23:18 EXCELLENT BIT ON PLANNING
THIS PODCAST IS FUCKING AMAZING !
2:28:22 ON OVERCOMING FEARS / PROGRESSIVE EXPOSURE
2:35:29 ON PERSONALITY TRAITS
2:51:20 - FREEDOM VS RESPONSIBILITY
2:56:15- ON ARCHETYPAL THEMES AND HOW JORDAN STRUCTURES HIS LECTURES
2:59:01 - ON LEADERSHIP AN KNOWING WHERE UR GOING
3:00:42 - ON THE POWER OF PRAISE
3:03:08 - THE IMPORTANCE OF CONSTRUCTIVE CRITIQUE !!! (GREAT BIT)
3:07:13 - THE IMPORTANCE OF MODELING BEING A RESPONSIBLE ADULT TO CHILDREN
3:35:00 - GREAT BIT ON TEACHING KIDS WITH TOUGH LOVE LOL
3:37:50 - GREAT BIT ON WHY PPL DONT DO THE STUFF THEY KNOW THEY SHOULD
ALSO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE JOCKO!! YOURE THE MAN, I READ YOUR BOOK EXTREME OWNERSHIP IN LIKE 2 DAYS!! I NEVER READ THAT FAST LMAO
Jockos ability to listen is god tier.
its not hard. just dont talk
Arrogance, ego and stupidity makes it hard for some
@@NoLongerActive9098 Well it certainly helps
It’s actually not that easy to be a good listener.
It helps when the man you’re listening to is speaking about interesting topics
How can this podcast be so
wonderful and yet so free? I feel like I need to pay somebody for this.
Buy 12 rules for life and jocko white tea to support these great men
Watch the ads instead of skipping them lol
sorting your life out is the payment
SantoAntonio this!
that's the power of the internet man. A mostly free encyclopedia with so much gold in it, so much things to learn about to better yourself. We live in weird times, still, it's pretty cool to chose what you want to watch.
DISCIPLINE EQUALS SORTING YOURSELF OUT -Jocko Peterson
that is actually a pretty good statement
Pozdrav ljudi :D
Evo ga još jedan!
Aleksandar Damjanovic ma kidaj aco!
Ima naaaas
Three years later, and this is still the GOAT of podcasts.
This podcast made me clean my room and when I was done I head over to the gym and did Deadlifts. When that was done, drove home and ate 2 steaks.
Now I feel like a man.
Roughly speaking
Yeah!
Good
That sounds like a GOOD day.
Shorne Pubique even tho covid wasn’t a thing back then
going sober today, thought this would be a good place to start.
04:09am 02/02/2020 (an easy date to remember xD)
Jose wish you the very best x
@@nkelherik thank you, I've sadly slipped back into weed and cocaine usage but rehab is starting soon, I believe I can beat this so thank you :3
@@Jose-oq6kj You can do it bud. Keep working on it.
@@Thurrak thank you brother!
Stay strong brother!
Who's here during the Corona quarantine?
Damn... these men should be running the world.
me, i wish everybody took their time to listen to this
@43 GROUP Some of them deserve it.
@43 GROUP There’s no proof of Jocko Willink being on steroids as far as I know. He’s killing some brown people to save other brown people.
@@sondersonics7534 he is only interested in being able to say "brown people" for some virtue signal. Everyone are people. Him seeing peoples skin color in everything is a non factor here. He obviously does'nt realize what guys like Jocko actually do for us. No matter if their superiors are corrupt or just.
Nobody should run the World
It's perfectly true that almost everything Dr. Peterson says I either agree with or update my current ideas on the subject. That's truly remarkable for a man to know so much universal truth and then to articulate it! He's a true role model in my life.
TH-cam's content is 99% garbage, but then there is the 1% that is pure gold, and this is proof of what I'm saying.
Salutes and thanks all the way from Spain 💪🔥
40k views in 2 days? hardly 1% buddy. i think you're virtue signalling with this comment.
Where there is dragons there is gold, Be what you want to be and be awesome.
Lol 1 % that's more a reflection of your intelligence and interest not of what you can find on TH-cam. Lotta dummies up voted this.
It's called confirmation bias.
Errrmmm...
No. Those people may not be dummies but they are not showing intelligence or critical reasoning.
Most of TH-cam is not garbage. Most of TH-cam random, trivia, self-exposition and entertainment.
Promoting the notion that most of TH-cam is garbage is not smart.
Dummies is an understandable submission.
i like how jacko nods every time JBP looks at him while talking. encouraging him to keep going. it's good to have these podcasts where people listen to the man.
Jacko Wikileaks. That's the guy who interfered in the Russian elections right?
3:16:52 Professor Peterson's face when Jocko asked "do you need security". hands down the best part of the podcast. Bless you guys
Kenneth Vo ”do you need security? hehehehe”
Love this comment 😆 Jocko said that as a joke but it looks like Peterson is genuinely worried and is looking for security.
So many people in today's world need to listen to this podcast. Me included, of course. Put your damn phones down, RAISE your kids, have self discipline, help others, be kind, be honest, be true to yourself, be humble, respect yourself and others, have purpose and ambition, don't self pity, respect authority and overall just strive to be the best version of yourself during our short time on earth!
Being a veteran struggling with the harsh reality of social structure, this podcast has really given me some new insight.
Thank you for your service sir. That's probably a statement that's been oversaturated but I genuinely mean thank you. Related to your comment, if you could handle tours of duty I have faith that you can handle navigating our weird society today. I believe in you sir.
God bless you, brother.
thats good to hear, god bless you!
Same killer. I am nearly at wits end and the end of my belay with my mind and perspective and how much social pushback I get for it. Caused some serious 5 year isolation. I am only just starting to dig a hole upwards. I need help. JP helps a lot.
I am sorry man. I wish you the best. Please don't give up. Keep pushing forward. You will find your head above water eventually. It's guaranteed.
One of the best podcasts I’ve ever heard in my life. Period.
Spartan Ownership Yes, Amazing Podcast!
If you were looking for a mentor -- you have two of the best right here.
YES we need more male role models
Jordan is our guru, Jocko is our officer in charge.
Dejan Gajsek e
Long live Jocko and Jordan. Both of you are the best inspiration I have compared to the hundreds of people I met in my life
A year ago i was in my debt of my depression and was thinking killing my self. This video saved me
Me too. What saved me was wise words and work.
Good on you both
Please take care of yourselves, there's much you can give to the world and your loved ones!
I hope you doing good right now. Good luck!
I'm so glad you didn't, brothers. Hat off
30 minutes in and I've learned more than I did in 3 years of university.
Probably should've paid attention in university then.
fuck i laughed hard at your comment
@@hush-615 I don't think you know what he means. College and University don't teach you the fundamentals of human nature and how to live your life properly and in search of truth. Teachers are there to get paid not to raise. I'm glad there are people like Jocko and Peterson who reach the people that need this talk the most. Cheers.
@@AbsoluteArch Sure, I get that. University filled me up with immense knowledge about my field and their 4 years of training prepared me for the career that I'm currently enjoying. Listening to guys who've endured a lot of hardships like Jocko taught me a lot about life and gave me a lot of perspective. I think the former is intelligence and the latter is wisdom. So I get what the guy is saying, but I guess I disagree with him because I don't think someone can really say one is 'more' than the other since each represents a different aspect of life.
@@hush-615 Good answer, both are valuable.
Whenever I enter a dark place in my mind, whenever I lose my focus and my motivation, whenever I doubt my abilities and my self-worth, and whenever I want to let my day end in failure, I turn to Jocko Willink or Jordan Peterson, and they bring me back to the light.
So glad these old podcasts are still available. My son and I listened to Jocko's podcast's on a 3 hour drive to go to an airshow with both military jets and stunt pilots. He has just been accepted into a pilot program. Jocko's podcasts helped him make little changes to turn his life around and be more disciplined. I had been bingeing watching Joe Rogan podcasts with Dr. Peterson(and watching JP on other podcasts as well) for a week leading up to this. This is part of the heavy duty transformation I've been going through the past 5 years. I hit a road block a couple years ago and did a lot of backsliding and struggled to get back on the wagon. My eureka moment came several years ago when I was taking accountability for my weakness, too many to list and some of that includes raising 4 children alone for 20 years. I am a 50 something woman who absolutely loves kung fu movies and it made me think about the discipline it takes to train and become a great martial artist! That is what I lacked all my life was self-discipline. I knew I needed to make another change, to get back on track. Listening to Jocko and JP, and then this one together has really bolstered my goals. I've made a commitment to myself to make these small changes that in the end will add up to something big. I did it once before, but lost motivation (which I understand why now) Now I'm ready to focus, reach my goals and stay on track.
Thanks for sharing, I backslid pretty heavily myself after having great success in my 30s. A bad break-up can do that though and discipline is what I am struggling with as well. I'm optimistic I can turn it around. Hope all those small changes you made are adding up to something significant 8 months later.
@@zarbins Thank you. Not doing too bad, but not where I want to be...yet. The biggest thing, I quit drinking and that really helped my motivation. Back on healthy eating, exercising and setting reasonable goals. Life isn't too bad! Looking forward to summer and go hiking, swimming, kayaking, camping with my significant other!
@@rowanstarling3816 Congrats on quitting drinking! That's huge success and sounds like it will put you in a great place to enjoy summer :) Alcohol has plagued my family and I know stopping is no small task. Reasonable goals and forging ahead is a great plan. Best of luck to you!
Infinite focus ability finally obtained. I will make good use of if and serve mg fellow human brothers
*Jordan Peterson Videos* : The only time you will get out pen and paper to take notes on a youtube video.
I use a dictaphone app.
Connor Phebus , Amen to that!
I don't take notes. I just replay the videos over and over.
michael mancuso i would recommend it, it really does help
Never even thought to do that. Will try it out.
In Jordan we have a person who is genuinely concerned for the betterment of man. It's a pleasure to listen to this.
"So. Like. What the hell?" - Cain (Peterson edition)
HAHA YES!
I might go back to church if Dr. Peterson ran it. 😆
@@AmericanHothead
Going through the holy sacrament of communion
Getting a lobster flavored potato chip instead of a tasteless small wafer
Sounds like a improvement
@@AmericanHothead I'd rather die than go to church, but if Peterson hosted it, every Sunday would be the lords day. I wouldn't miss a Sunday. I'm not even Christian but still. We miss out on the fact that the local community gathers at a single location once a week and shoots the shit.
Amen
Four years later and this is still one of the best podcasts ever recorded.
I find it very refreshing that Echo and Jordan can sit through Jocko's into to the podcast and listen quietly. No interruptions. Very nice.
A girl really destroyed me emotionally last weekend. Jocko Peterson makes me understand how in reality, I did this to myself.
Yeah man and Jordan B Willink was great in asking questions to guide the podcast in the right directions.
Listen to Rollo Tomassi's book "Rational Male" for further guidance. You won't be disappointed
god damn I tried swiping my screen to get that bug off but... wellplayed
Well,you allowed it to happen anyway
Explain!!
I think it’s impossible to listen to Jordan Peterson and not walk away a better man. Just hearing him say you can and should strive for more integrity in life is invigorating every time because literally no one else is giving that message to men these days.
"It's better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war."
One of my favorite quotes of all time . .
Jesus it’s kinda hard to deal with Jordan when he just drops a huge wisdom bomb in the middle of a sentence and then carries on like he didn’t just spit fire. “When you kill your ideal you’re lost” and then just continues what he was saying.
that's JP, it's hard to actually understand how deep the things he says are because he says so many of them in the same sentence xD
This is the struggle with JP. You really need to sit back every 30 seconds or so and let it sink in...
@@davidmcneill6239 And repeat that with each of his videos over and over until you're sure you've got it. Then do it again.
@@jchinckley But is the point getting across if you need to do it again and again? Im just teasin, peace
@@ayyyyooo7191 Sure, in bits and pieces until after the 2000th watch through a 2 1/2 hour video, one finally gets it... lol.
300 million years of lobster dominance hierarchies is no joke, man.
Astral Frost sounds like a Godzilla ending.
and Jocko just lets him run...not worried about getting a word in. thats leadership. This is one excellant podcast. Save to playlist.
Anything involving Jordan Peterson is worthwhile and beneficial for everyone!
Don't pedestalize these men. Aim to count yourself among them.
Great insight!🙏🏽
I’d say aiming to count yourself among them is by definition “pedestalize”-ing them.
@@bsgrjsbrsqdbarj3900 You can recognize good qualities of people you want to see in yourself without making them into some unreachable ideal. Pedestalizing would be saying "These men are so great and unique, i could never be like that". I just saw a lot of people in the comments making them out to be something more than well educated and disciplined men.
Yes especially how a lot of people today idolize and think of celebrities as “gods”.
One thing I've always told myself is to never idolize anyone.
Jocko Willink ,
Jordan Peterson ,
David Goggins ,
Joe Rogan
All on one podcast please ...
my real role models 🙏🏼
Add Owen Benjamin
joe rogan is his role model hahaha
Joe Rogan is a phony that cheats on his wife. He offers nothing of moral substance.
Rogan is a cool dude but a questionable role model. Only thing to be learned from him is perhaps the ability to listen to people who are much wiser.
@@kalykalypso watch the video above again.. seems as though alot of moral virtues have slipped from your conscious whilst writing this dross.
I love how Jocko is like jokingly, "You need security? We've got crews!" And Jordan Peterson is nodding very non-jokingly.
just got to that part and the look on Jordan Peterson's face is priceless.
It just screams that yeah, I actually would like some security from tough guys like you. And maybe some jiu-jitsu training.
Or "Yeah, now that you mention it, some security would be nice"!
what time is that in the podcast?
That look on JP's face broke my heart a little bit. He doesn't have a record for being a drama queen, so the fact that he admitted that he actually needed security speaks volumes about what he's going through.
what time was it? I have been jumping around so much trying to find it, if I just listened to the damn podcast through again I would have found it!
I felt a chill when I saw this nod. kinda epic, that they'll work together - besides this episode of course. But it also made me realize, how it must feel for the organisers. For me, those free speech events are mostly entertainment, especially when sjw's 'sperg out. But it is not a laughing matter I guess, especially if its Jordan Peterson of all people, who looks this worried.
Just found this podcast. Thank you for making it and making it available to everyone - life changing (and saving)!
Jordan Peterson @36:05 "You don't get to leap from being a 17-year old knothead who doesn't know anything and who isn't disciplined to the critic of Judaeo-Christian society. You just don't know enough to do that."
I object to his statement. I am a sociology freshmen at Evergreen college.
atheists
Bongo Jeff: LMAO!
@@TheBongoJeff Knowledge doesn't equal wisdom,life lessons if you learn from them will give you wisdom.
@@villaespesa1 what u talkin bout? I wuz ironic, apparently.
I came back and watched this years later and I just can't believe how much Jocko is gushing with Jordan Peterson. He loves the man, admires him, and is so authentic, it's great to see.
When I saw this come up on my feed I had to do every chore in the house beforehand so I could listen to it without embarrassment.
You're a better person than I.
You should have put on your headphones and 'cleaned your room' while listening.
Thank God that modern technology exists and that conversations like this can be recorded, saved, and revisited-indefinitely.
There are nigh countless moments in this single conversation where I had the impulse to pause the video and write down my thoughts on an individual sentence, phrase, or word that was said, but my written thoughts on it would make no sense without also writing down the context… which could take ages, and far longer than my retention of the original thought in the first place.
One day, I’ll get all my thoughts and ideas written down and sorted out once and for all-that’ll also be the same day I die at 153 years old… probably from covid.
I've watched hundreds and hundreds of hours of Peterson and this is still my favourite. Insanely well-rounded conversation. Discipline + Cleaning Your Room = Freedom.
I went 3 years unemployed then got one washing dishes at a butchers
been there 6 months and now im trained to like 1/3 of jobs they do there
Grats man!
3 years!?
Get that work in my man
Go get your CDL, clock 100,000 miles (trust me it sucks ass), then start looking for Fuel Hauling jobs. I was unemployed for two years and 4 weeks ago I started where I’m at. Two weeks ago I made $1,900 and last week I worked 3 days and made $1,100. I went from living off of VA disability and SNAP (food stamps) to looking at making $80,000 next year in a matter of 2 weeks.
hopefully ill have a similar story.
calling in to the grocery store about my app to get a interview crackin asap.
hoping for the bakery position but im willing to get in anywhere and work my way up, learning new things and finally grabbing hold of some responsibility.
@@saucy_noodles Keep it up and you'll get into big things in your life.
One of the best magazine journalists in the country once told me, "shut up and let the guy talk." Amazing how Jocko gets this on an instinctual level.
Basic respect, sad how that seems to waning in some sectors eh?
You both are changing people’s lives. Not an exaggeration in any way. I am proof.
I have had a hard life but that girl and so many other people have been through so much worse. And because of discussions like this and people like these two, now I want to fight even harder for those going through this sort of thing.
You men have solidified my belief that this is one of my purposes in life. Just have to figure out what to do with it.
Thank you both, from the core of my being.
Your worst traumas are really your greatest gifts when you voluntarily take on the pain of it head on and back it down. It's PRESSURE makes diamonds or its steel that sharpens steel etc etc and you will become the true version of "you" only when this is accomplished but you will be INFINITELY more powerful than you can possibly fathom. I wish you good luck with your journey friend ❤
People like Jocko and Jordan come along and can change a person forever. High caliber mentors. Bravo.
This was a long time coming...... And it was WELL WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Warrior Philosopher and the Philosopher Warrior coming together. Cannot wait until the next one!
Bedros Peter Bedrosian brilliant comment! 👍
Bravo!
@Miki Miyazaki ... or warrosopher philorior
I'm a simple man. I discover a video with Professor Jordan B. Peterson in it, I watch and like that video.
Mithrawnudo I too lead the simple life as a disciple of Kermit.
Are you really commenting that on every Jordan Peterson video you watch? lmao. This is not the first time I've seen this comment.
No, not even close. I've made similar comments to this like 3-4 times. Most of the time it was where I found him involved in something very unexpected or on a channel I've never heard of before.
Though I do think there are some other people who spam comments like this on many of his videos.
I was a dishwasher at 37 due to job circumstances. Took me 3 years to get out of that situation. I totally relate where Jordan talks about the CV quest.
I feel the power in Jocko's voice when he reads these personal stories of the horrors of war. He isn't just some news anchor reading words off a teleprompter in a dead voice.
Jocko and Jordan, here to pull us up out of the abyss, whether we want to be saved or not. And Echo is here to keep the chopper gassed up and ready to go.
Ex Nihilo a french style revolution is not the answer, that was just a murderous mob. Here is the thing, anyone pronouncing we are doomed or we are just fine is flat out wrong. We are all either adding in a positive manner to our society or we are contri ting to it negatively. We do not know the outcome because the outcome is contingent on what each of us choose to do.
You sound stupid as fuck! Do you even understand what you just said? Please think more and don't vote for a few years...
Sun bro Lol seems someone doesn't understand personal responsibility/ individual agency.
I'm talking about the dude that proposed a "French style revolution".. That was so dumb it got me heated lmao... Fucking idiot
French style revolution...so execute those in power, then become even more violent, arbitrary and tyrannical than they ever were? The French revolution is a great example of what happens when you destroy the existing social order without a proper plan of what to replace it with.
A good contrast is the American revolution, where they put real thought and debate into how to keep their revolution from backfiring and regressing like the French one did.
I remember the Joe Rogan podcast where he asks (orders) Jocko to start his own podcast. Here he is addressing the existential points we face as humans in the way that shit should be addressed and Peterson got his facts straight like a navy salute. This is the internet at it's best. Thx both for taking the effort of making this happen!
I have listened to this conversation about 4 times and I keep coming back to it periodically. It's one of the most meaningful and dense podcast I have ever heard. There is so much content to unpack. Award worthy.
Jocko you are an inspiration, the world needs to hear this, I have family in Syria who were displaced from their homes and now hiding in fear. Keep up the great content. God bless.
PETERSON: "You opened this whole podcast with 'truth.' Who wants to hear that?"
haha. Love these guys.
bout
So much freaking wisdom in one place. Funny thing is they arrived at it in different ways, kind of proves that there are universal / absolute values.
I think about this opening often. I first saw this when it aired 5 years ago. I have never forgotten and never will.
I'm so glad you brought on Jordan. He is such a powerful speaker and an inspiration. Thank you Jocko, and have a GOOD evening.
Cleaned my room listening to this.
Me too, and my kitchen!
It's just me Sully hell yeah
Me too and kitchen, living room, and ironed all clothes.
Cleaned almost everything but my room -_-
Haha, I planned out My semester of college while listening to this
Jocko and Jordan together needs to be a recurring dynamic or a show unto itself. We'll all be waking up at 4:30 AM to clean our rooms. Exactly what the world (and I) needs more of.
Its almost "the middle way" of buddhism in human form. You have two opposites that are really the same. Absolutely incredible.
I had considered the Yin Yang. There is definitely some Jocko in the Jordan and some Jordan in the Jocko. This conversation confirmed how they both came to the same bits of wisdom through two very different ways. It is the one way that comes from the two...that is still one. It sounds like Eastern philosophy or quantum physics....both of which I am too simple to understand...but I want to build my world from that yin yang. I have an aversion to writing a schedule for myself, but everything else was tremendously helpful and well put. Love these guys.
I have been studying zen buddhism and daoism for several years now and i cannot help but find many similarities and correlations (whether it be literally or metaphorically) between warriors and buddhas.
I think it is just reciprocity. Positive and negative, light and dark, good and evil. Good and evil will dance and flow with each other until the end of time, it always has an always will. Accept and TRULY understand the bad and the good, and well you end up like Jocko and Jordan.
Truly understand and you remove all self imposed limitations.
I laughed at this comment at first (in good nature) but then realized I better step up my life and clean my house up...yesterday.
Much respect for these men of courage and iron discipline. At 21 , both have changed my life for the better
Two of the greatest father figures of a lost generation. Not what you want to hear but what you need to hear.
So, Jocko starts describing an atrocity in Iraq carried out by daesh (ISIS), they go into some heavy stuff about the Holocaust and Unit 731. I had no problems listening, and even looking up what Dr. Jordan discussed (because, when someone says "don't look it up, you'll get traumatized" it just instigates that curiosity like a moth drawn to the flame...).
Yup, I'm a monster. Two tours in Iraq myself (Mosul back in '05 in particular, I used to see a psychologist just about every time I saw Mosul on the news a couple years ago...), and so, as a monster (certified knuckle dragger, though not as bad ass as Jocko, I was on the conventional side only) nothing about ISIS or Unit 731 seemed to phase me. Part of that the result of the work with my psychologist in dealing with the post traumatic stress (EMDR, breathing methods, etc.).
I got to about 3:13:00 though, and had to step out for a bit and using my coping methods (from the EMDR). What about? Well, the story Dr. Jordan tells of his wife and the little boy they watched. Neglecting children, especially by parents here in the first world, somehow manages to tear me to pieces emotionally more than all I ever saw in Iraq. Amazing how that works sometimes, but that is indeed why my post-military career couldn't be as a first responder. I tried, volunteered with a fire department, and worked in security to see if police and fire were in my future. Nope. As a security officer, almost dying by walking into drug deals, people wanting to fight me, cussing me out for being in a uniform and authority did not phase me in the least. What killed the first responder career was child neglect and endangerment. I encountered a mother strung out on drugs parked in her car, with a child in the passenger seat. That hit me harder than anything I'd ever experienced prior in Iraq.
We all have our soft spots. A child's emotional and physical well being is mine. Strangely, what I saw happen to children in Iraq never impacted me the same way in which simple neglect seems to impact me here. This has led me to conclusion that in war you can rationalize the violence that impacts people better, because it is war. When you see someone neglect a child in the first world, with no reason (just lame excuses, known as 'first world problems'), I cannot rationalize it. I am just starting to process this, but it still tears at my soul.
Yup, I'm a monster, and I could not be happier with myself for it. War made me a better man, and prepared me to be a good father. I know the beast within, and like Dr. Jordan talks about, I seem to be putting it to good use. Right after I got back from that deployment to Mosul, my wife and welcomed our first son into this world (within a couple of weeks no less). That was the greatest achievement of my our lives at that time (and have enjoyed welcoming three more, with one more on the way since). It occurred at a very raw emotional time, and forever left an imprint on our minds and souls (and for my wife, her body...). That memory of a child entering this world, and of him sleeping on my chest (after mom got first dibs for that at any rate) are two memories I have used as part of my coping (combined with the breathing and other practices).
Perhaps that is why I cannot rationalize, relate to, nor understand this problem in the first world where we casually neglect our children.
I'm glad I am a monster, and I'm glad I know the beast from war. I'm still a work in progress (who isn't? someone lying to themselves...), but thank you for giving me a better understanding of accepting this; and how to use it to do good in the world. Especially that start point of changing diapers, and holding a screaming baby who just can't calm down. One step at a time, it is the little things.
Amazing comment
Beautiful.
It was hard to hear the beginning, he moved on just before I fainted. I did, however, pause the video and put on more clothes,,,,
@@leahg3926 What the fuck are you on about moron
Speechless
Unprecedented; How is this legendary rendezvous not the top news story and required material for all students in high school to watch?
This is what I needed to hear. Two absolute leaders in their fields having a discussion of what matters. Thanks.
Give me 20 burpees then clean your room. Not sure the internet will survive the power of the integrated Shadows in this podcast.
The discipline in that room is no joke!
Going till you puke or pass out ain`t really smart or good for you guys. But get after it!
if you don't know your "red line" then you don't know how hard your working.
Can I give you 20 burps instead? It's also a form of "integrating your shadow"... letting the monster in you speak: "buuuuuurrrrrrrppp"
Gopnik Conscript The internet will be utilized, not destroyed.
I've listened to a lot of Peterson, but this might be him at his very best. I was deeply moved.
I agree. I think he was at his best because of what he thinks his audience is. I don’t know how to explain that but it’s different when he’s, say, having a long form with Dr. Oz or the TV interviewers.
This and the interview with Theo Von are JPs best
Jordan needs to tour to speak at churches all around the world, he explains the meaning and the message behind the biblical texts better than any preacher or priest I've ever heard, and it can be appreciated by Christians and atheists alike.
Alex Andrews I'd encourage you to check out the Behold the Lamb series from the Dwaarkill study center. www.dwaarkill.org
As an Agnostic/Atheist (still deciding,) Jordan opened me up to using some religious traits/practices in a non-religious life that I never thought I could apply. He does a really great job.
The Church have doctrines, many of them different, they would roit against him....... This is coming from a person who hasbeen a Christian all his life
@@seraphims9630 You would make a good Presbyterian.
Alex Andrews not only Christians believe these values man. Most of the worlds religions do.
Cried watching this brilliant podcast. It's nice to listen to great people and how they mould and build great individuals. Reminded me of how my parents helped me practice a speech I needed to deliver infront of my whole school when I was 8yo. It didn't just teach me how to do public speaking, but that experience taught me how to be brave and vulnerable by being open to the unknown. It also made me appreciate how I was disciplined as a child. I have a long way to go, but this is so reassuring. thank you, more power.
This is great. I've never been two hours into a three-hour video and thought "I may have to rewatch this."
Spencer Hindmarsh agreed!!
I took alot of notes!
"College? No!, Education? No!.; I want to be a commando."
-Joko
Is amazing how two men with such different backgrounds have come to similar conclusions in life, one with hardships of war and the discipline required to lead and survive, the other with the study of the human nature and the teaching left by those before him.
So different and yet so alike.
Very well put.
That's because the truth doesn't care where we start. It stands on it's own regardless of where we are.
Jocko went to college after the military. Don’t mistake him as an uneducated person
@@justinblair2630 He wasn't calling him uneducated. He was pointing out how they both have recieved their education about the world/humanity through drastically different experiences, and yet still have come to similar conclusions.
Justin Blair he went to college IN the military. Bachelors degree is a requirement to be an officer
It’s a joy to see Dr Peterson enjoy himself talking with these men.
Hi Jocko, I am a casual Podcast viewer. This is perhaps one of the best podcasts I've come across of Peterson so thank you so much, it was hard for me to make up my mind about him views. However, I found this interview so refreshing and thought provoking. I enjoyed listening to your experience in the military and how you found your purpose as well. I was mostly neutral about Peterson since I understand what he's talking about philosophically about psychology and religion; his talking points are incredibly high level and it takes so much introspection, life-lived, and knowledge to ACTUALLY follow what he has to say so I understand why he got "cancel" at one point and how that affected his mental health since his messages are fundamentally good beliefs. At one point, I questioned his intentions when he was riding his hype (due to conservative media) too dangerously by knowingly convey his message in a way that would elicit a reaction and his lack of credence when it came to juxtaposition his views with modern times. Despite him having conservative views and being "correct" in terms of principle, society has overwhelmingly moved on from those concepts without a "major collapse" like we're not going into a recession because of transgender people. He overuses old ideals to convey his message in a modern world and just doesn't work on a younger audience. Peterson is human and its easy for anyone to eclipse themselves when they gain so much fame suddenly.
Anyways, I saw some of his talks about his physical and mental health struggles and his belief in God made me think "ok, Peterson just got canceled, politics aren't as popular anymore, so he's bringing himself to an equilibrium." He's not changed, maybe he's not showing up on everyones FY page or conservative politics but he's always stayed true to himself after everything he's been through. It's inspiring cause he got "mega" canceled like losing his teaching credentials and ability to practice clinical psychology which is messed up cause we need more people that understand the mind like Peterson.
I want thank both of these men for giving me hope about self-improvement. Jocko made me realize how powerful and freeing self-improvement is. Dr. Peterson made me realize how real and meaningful it is.
LagMasterSam perfect summation!