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@@triton1060 Glenn Miller is an outstanding oktavist, truly. But I'd say Miller's speaking voice is somewhat bassier and harsher than his. Not that velvety, I'd say ...
IMHO, fingering is not only one of the most crucial aspects of learning, it's THE most crucial aspect of learning a piece, I always deliberately spend a lot of time on this, more time than would seem necessary
@@fionabegonia7802 Same here. I ALWAYS write them down with my own code. My natural fingering in red, alternate fingering in green (sometimes I hesitate between two options and practice will eventually decide for me. I use circled numbers when a particular fingering is really crucial
@@_Francis For me, working out and writing in fingerings is step 1 of learning any piece. Jörg Demus told me it was the most important factor in his extraordinary musical memory.
@@_Francis Even into very old age, you could name pretty much any piece by Bach and he could immediately play it from memory! It was incredible to witness. He shared some of his scores with me and showed me how he wrote in his fingerings in large and clear ink. He said he’d get to the point where he only has to read the finger numbers, and this solidified his superhuman memory.
Excellent tips. Most of my transfer students in the 30 years I’ve been teaching, have not been taught technical work (scales, triads, arpeggios) I really like that you’ve emphasized the importance of these. I agree with all of your rules!
The cerebellum in your brain is the master scriptwriter for muscle movement. If you constantly change fingering while you're playing, the cerebellum cannot write a consistent script in your brain for how to use your fingers to play a passage. Having rigorous fingering and sticking to it allows your brain to more easily form the motor script that will help you memorize the peace and play it smoothly.
Very well said, not to mention exactly right. It’s a *really* good idea to try to find the right fingerings from the very beginning stages of learning a new piece. That said, sometimes we discover later in the game that a fingering just doesn’t work. It might work, say, at a slower tempo but not at a faster tempo. It’s best to try to avoid changing fingerings once they’re ingrained, though sometimes finding a new fingering is the easiest solution.
@@key-notes Agree. Sometimes in the process we find something that works better. Maybe what we initially came up with is awkward or not elegant. Sometimes we find that out when our brain seems to have a lot of trouble making a certain fingering strategy work. Then it is on to a new strategy.
In my opinion, there is one important exception to the "find your own fingering" rule: Pieces that are meant for learners may sometimes have a specific fingering in order to teach you a specific skill. Say, the piece wants to teach you to put your thumb under your second finger or your second finger over your thumb. A very important skill to have. Then the notes will have fingering that forces you to do that, even when other kinds of fingering would have been easier. But if you use that easier fingering instead, you won't learn what the piece tries to teach you.
Yes, a very good point! Thanks for sharing. Recently I heard a pianist split the infamous double notes in Liszt’s “Feux follets” between the hands. Clever solution… but is it legal? 🤔
I recently saw a saxophone player playing a difficult trill using his - at that moment - free other hand. It sounded beautiful but the first thing that came to my mind was: is this legal? 😂
I am happy about these specifications. Thank you so much for the work of preparing this video. When I was a beginner, I took any written fingering as an obligation and did my best to cope with it, even if it felt awkward to my hands. Now, I take those numbers as mere, mostly wise, suggestions. But often I do rewrite printed fingering patterns. At times it takes me some days and quite a few variants until I find what really works for me. Keeping a joyful, relaxed feeling in my fingers is crucial to me. Sometimes I even cross my 4th finger under the 3rd finger when the 3rd lies on a black key and I have to play the adjacent white key (upwards for the left hand and downwards for the right hand). Or I cross my 4th finger over my 5th, when the 5th happens to lie on a white key and the 4th shall reach the adjacent black key half a tone upwards (right hand) or downwards (left hand). I know it's weird, but it works marvellously for me.
Yes, editorial fingerings are just suggestions. Since fingering is so intertwined with touch and therefore expression, especially with articulation, often suggested fingerings are designed to express the music the way the editor hears it. If I want a different expression, usually the first thing I do is try different fingerings.
These are very useful rules which will facilitate playing and learning. The only one I don't fully agree with is avoiding using the thumb on black keys. I find the thumb on a black key can quite often be a very comfortable and effective choice. In fact, sometimes the attempts to avoid it can result in a more awkward fingering. So I keep a very open mind about the thumb!
Agreed! These are just meant to be rules of thumb. I always teach students that there are exceptions to every rule. I’d first try without the thumb on black keys since usually that’s most comfortable and sounds the most smooth, though sometimes it does make sense to play black keys with the thumb. I opted for this approach in one of the cadenza passages in Liszt’s Ricordanza for instance, since that lets me use the same fingering for the motive no matter what the pattern of black and white keys happens to be. It takes practice and getting used to, but it makes it easier to remember and the fingers don’t get tangled up.
Excellent treatment! I'm a self learner at 62 but this makes perfect sense to me :) By the way I was fortunate to be able to tour the Bosendorfer factory ( more like a studio ), in Vienna a few years back.
Wonderful! Did you go to the Bösendorfer Salon in the Musikverein? The factory is in a town outside Vienna called Wiener Neustadt. This is where these beautiful pianos are built! It’s well worth a tour if you ever get an opportunity.
That’s nothing to be concerned about, Roberta. If Alicia de Larrocha, Yuja Wang, Josef Hofmann and many others didn’t let small hands stop them, neither should you! It’s usually possible to find a fingering for a passage that suits smaller hands. You can also choose music that fits your hands the way singers choose music that suits their individual voice. There’s such an abundance of beautiful music out there that you’ll never run out of new pieces.
YEAH YOUR TIMBRE VOICE IS CRAZY MAN I CAN IMAGINE WITH SOMETHING IN A DYNAMIC OR TUBE MIC WITH A COMPRESSION AND MAXIMIZER, I DID A LOT OF VOICE OVER WORK, YOURS IS PERFECT. THANKS FOR THE VIDEO I HAVE TROUBLE WHEN PIECES ARE HARM IN THIRDS LIKE A MAJOR AND YOU HAVE TO BRING THE MELODY OUT OF THE OUTTER VOICING A THE SAME TIME.
Debussy’s 1st Arabesque. Here’s a performance I gave of this beautiful piece in memory of my mentor Paul Badura-Skoda: th-cam.com/video/hdMrgY6loIM/w-d-xo.html
That’s very kind, thank you! Actually I have a funny story about that: For the opening of the redesigned Beethoven Museum in Vienna a few years ago, I got asked to record Beethoven’s Heiligenstadt Testament in English. This is his most important letter, a passionate expression of defiance in the face of deafness which he wrote to his brothers. I figured, if I can’t become the voice of Beethoven through my playing, at least I can do it through my voice! Anyway, I got invited to the opening of the new museum. In the room that displays the famous letter, there are headphones and buttons for English and German. Next to the English button it said, “Narrator: Patrick Lamb.” I thought, “Who the hell is Patrick Lamb?” I put on the headphones and heard my voice! They’ve since fixed the label, so Mr. Lamb won’t have to worry about me doing injustice to his voice. More recently I was visiting the museum, and a tourist happened to be listening to that recording and heard the same voice talking in the background. Turns out he had a podcast and invited me to it, where we shared that story!
You have an amazing voice.
I thought so too. 🥰
Was gonna say, he reminds me of an oktavist known as Glenn Miller
@@triton1060 Glenn Miller is an outstanding oktavist, truly. But I'd say Miller's speaking voice is somewhat bassier and harsher than his. Not that velvety, I'd say ...
It’s the $1,000 microphone
Proper radio voice!!
This is the best introduction to fingering that I've ever seen. Thank you very much!!
Rule 8. If the piano says it likes it, don't stop
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IMHO, fingering is not only one of the most crucial aspects of learning, it's THE most crucial aspect of learning a piece, I always deliberately spend a lot of time on this, more time than would seem necessary
So do I ! I write in most fingerings.
@@fionabegonia7802 Same here. I ALWAYS write them down with my own code. My natural fingering in red, alternate fingering in green (sometimes I hesitate between two options and practice will eventually decide for me. I use circled numbers when a particular fingering is really crucial
@@_Francis For me, working out and writing in fingerings is step 1 of learning any piece. Jörg Demus told me it was the most important factor in his extraordinary musical memory.
@@key-notes Same here. Jörg Demus is very wise
@@_Francis Even into very old age, you could name pretty much any piece by Bach and he could immediately play it from memory! It was incredible to witness. He shared some of his scores with me and showed me how he wrote in his fingerings in large and clear ink. He said he’d get to the point where he only has to read the finger numbers, and this solidified his superhuman memory.
Excellent tips. Most of my transfer students in the 30 years I’ve been teaching, have not been taught technical work (scales, triads, arpeggios) I really like that you’ve emphasized the importance of these. I agree with all of your rules!
Thank you dad from Full House.
😆That’s not the first time I’ve been compared to Bob Saget! Hey, he’s a fellow Philadelphian. Maybe a cousin?
The cerebellum in your brain is the master scriptwriter for muscle movement. If you constantly change fingering while you're playing, the cerebellum cannot write a consistent script in your brain for how to use your fingers to play a passage. Having rigorous fingering and sticking to it allows your brain to more easily form the motor script that will help you memorize the peace and play it smoothly.
Very well said, not to mention exactly right. It’s a *really* good idea to try to find the right fingerings from the very beginning stages of learning a new piece. That said, sometimes we discover later in the game that a fingering just doesn’t work. It might work, say, at a slower tempo but not at a faster tempo. It’s best to try to avoid changing fingerings once they’re ingrained, though sometimes finding a new fingering is the easiest solution.
@@key-notes Agree. Sometimes in the process we find something that works better. Maybe what we initially came up with is awkward or not elegant. Sometimes we find that out when our brain seems to have a lot of trouble making a certain fingering strategy work. Then it is on to a new strategy.
Hi from England. Very useful video, so helpful, and by the way you have a wonderful voice!
Thank you so much!
In my opinion, there is one important exception to the "find your own fingering" rule: Pieces that are meant for learners may sometimes have a specific fingering in order to teach you a specific skill. Say, the piece wants to teach you to put your thumb under your second finger or your second finger over your thumb. A very important skill to have. Then the notes will have fingering that forces you to do that, even when other kinds of fingering would have been easier. But if you use that easier fingering instead, you won't learn what the piece tries to teach you.
Yes, a very good point! Thanks for sharing. Recently I heard a pianist split the infamous double notes in Liszt’s “Feux follets” between the hands. Clever solution… but is it legal? 🤔
I recently saw a saxophone player playing a difficult trill using his - at that moment - free other hand. It sounded beautiful but the first thing that came to my mind was: is this legal? 😂
I like the very organized approach. Thank you.
Do you do voice over work!?! Wow!!
Also, very informative and valuable video.
Thank you kindly🤍
Thank you!
Quite informative and makes a lot of sense. Thanks very much.
Thank you.
Thanks
This is worth gold. Thank you Albert 🎩
Thank you so much!
Merci.
I am happy about these specifications. Thank you so much for the work of preparing this video.
When I was a beginner, I took any written fingering as an obligation and did my best to cope with it, even if it felt awkward to my hands. Now, I take those numbers as mere, mostly wise, suggestions. But often I do rewrite printed fingering patterns. At times it takes me some days and quite a few variants until I find what really works for me.
Keeping a joyful, relaxed feeling in my fingers is crucial to me.
Sometimes I even cross my 4th finger under the 3rd finger when the 3rd lies on a black key and I have to play the adjacent white key (upwards for the left hand and downwards for the right hand). Or I cross my 4th finger over my 5th, when the 5th happens to lie on a white key and the 4th shall reach the adjacent black key half a tone upwards (right hand) or downwards (left hand). I know it's weird, but it works marvellously for me.
Yes, editorial fingerings are just suggestions. Since fingering is so intertwined with touch and therefore expression, especially with articulation, often suggested fingerings are designed to express the music the way the editor hears it. If I want a different expression, usually the first thing I do is try different fingerings.
great title
Great video. Im going to show this to some of my students. Thanks!👍
Thank you so much! Hope your students find it helpful!
Thank you for this video. What are your thoughts on playing the same key consecutively while changing fingers instead of using the same finger?
Great presentation. Listened to you and suddenly need to learn Lullaby.
Rule of thumb, okay, but where’s the rule of pinky? 😂
These are very useful rules which will facilitate playing and learning. The only one I don't fully agree with is avoiding using the thumb on black keys. I find the thumb on a black key can quite often be a very comfortable and effective choice. In fact, sometimes the attempts to avoid it can result in a more awkward fingering. So I keep a very open mind about the thumb!
Agreed! These are just meant to be rules of thumb. I always teach students that there are exceptions to every rule. I’d first try without the thumb on black keys since usually that’s most comfortable and sounds the most smooth, though sometimes it does make sense to play black keys with the thumb. I opted for this approach in one of the cadenza passages in Liszt’s Ricordanza for instance, since that lets me use the same fingering for the motive no matter what the pattern of black and white keys happens to be. It takes practice and getting used to, but it makes it easier to remember and the fingers don’t get tangled up.
Excellent treatment! I'm a self learner at 62 but this makes perfect sense to me :) By the way I was fortunate to be able to tour the Bosendorfer factory ( more like a studio ), in Vienna a few years back.
Wonderful! Did you go to the Bösendorfer Salon in the Musikverein? The factory is in a town outside Vienna called Wiener Neustadt. This is where these beautiful pianos are built! It’s well worth a tour if you ever get an opportunity.
good info
much thanks
Thank you so much!
Thank you I have small fingers, but I try my very best
That’s nothing to be concerned about, Roberta. If Alicia de Larrocha, Yuja Wang, Josef Hofmann and many others didn’t let small hands stop them, neither should you! It’s usually possible to find a fingering for a passage that suits smaller hands. You can also choose music that fits your hands the way singers choose music that suits their individual voice. There’s such an abundance of beautiful music out there that you’ll never run out of new pieces.
I take editorial fingerings as a suggestion and starting-point. I go from there and may change a published fingering if it fits my hand better.
Exactly!
YEAH YOUR TIMBRE VOICE IS CRAZY MAN I CAN IMAGINE WITH SOMETHING IN A DYNAMIC OR TUBE MIC WITH A COMPRESSION AND MAXIMIZER,
I DID A LOT OF VOICE OVER WORK, YOURS IS PERFECT.
THANKS FOR THE VIDEO
I HAVE TROUBLE WHEN PIECES ARE HARM IN THIRDS LIKE A MAJOR AND YOU HAVE TO BRING THE MELODY OUT OF THE OUTTER VOICING A THE SAME TIME.
👍🎶🎹
What is the intro piece?
Debussy’s 1st Arabesque. Here’s a performance I gave of this beautiful piece in memory of my mentor Paul Badura-Skoda: th-cam.com/video/hdMrgY6loIM/w-d-xo.html
@@key-notes hmm interesting, I always thought that descending pattern were kinda linked to Clair de Lune.. At least it sounds tonally connected to me
More examples would have helped.
Does he do voice overs?
That’s very kind, thank you! Actually I have a funny story about that: For the opening of the redesigned Beethoven Museum in Vienna a few years ago, I got asked to record Beethoven’s Heiligenstadt Testament in English. This is his most important letter, a passionate expression of defiance in the face of deafness which he wrote to his brothers. I figured, if I can’t become the voice of Beethoven through my playing, at least I can do it through my voice!
Anyway, I got invited to the opening of the new museum. In the room that displays the famous letter, there are headphones and buttons for English and German. Next to the English button it said, “Narrator: Patrick Lamb.” I thought, “Who the hell is Patrick Lamb?” I put on the headphones and heard my voice! They’ve since fixed the label, so Mr. Lamb won’t have to worry about me doing injustice to his voice.
More recently I was visiting the museum, and a tourist happened to be listening to that recording and heard the same voice talking in the background. Turns out he had a podcast and invited me to it, where we shared that story!
With such big hands.. I do t think you had problems
Why are you telling us this very basic " level " but when you play the keys , your playing very fast ( advanced ) not helpful
slow it down to .75 or .50 speed :)
Thank you for this suggestion! Happy to play slower in future videos.
this sounds so wrong, i hate my mind
Hope it’s helpful to you in any case!
I think AI is taliking
The title of this video is the most vulgar thing I've ever read.
Thanks
Thanks