The reminder that Cardassians flirt by arguing, as established in Destiny. This means that our lovely Cardassian surgeon spent the entire episode being super cute and adorable with his husband.
The moment where William Boimler Decided with absolute trust to send the anomoly to the prime Universe, as he knew his friends would be able to save it, brought a massive lump to my throat on a crappy day. I can't wait to see our Lower Deckers become the heroes we all knew them to be, and I am 100% not ready for this show to be over.
Me too.That bit reminded me of the prisoners dilemma bit in Federation, my favorite Trek book. And this was probably my favorite Lower Decks episode ever so far, largely because of that bit.
i don't think ever in my life will i forget the moment of bashir being introduced as garak's husband. i had to pause and sob. THANK YOU LOWER DECKS!! And thank you Jessie for sharing another fabulous review, I absolutely agree this is lower decks at its finest and i can't even comprehend everything that happened. can't wait for the many rewatches to come!
I really appreciated Lily’s speech as a sort of defence of multiverses as a story telling device. William only sees the cynical Hollywood “member berries” version, but she explains why it’s such an interesting concept. It lets you take your established characters and view them from other angles to allow you to understand the originals better. Which is exactly what we get from all the alts in this episode. It’s not the “real” versions of the characters, but all their actions and decisions reflect back on the originals, allowing us a new glimpse into them via these reflections.
@@AndrewPowerSM YES, THIS I had the same interpretation and you articulated it really well. It’s why I don’t mind the various temporal resets of cool Voyager stories and really love the mirror universe. All these alternates tell us something about the characters, and some even become new characters with a life of their own. It has brilliant potential and Star Trek has always used it smartly imo
It is cool to see, because in general, besides the Mirror Universe and the TNG episode where Worf bounces between quantum realities, the Star Trek shows and movies really haven't done a huge amount with alternate realities to the same degree as a lot of other sci-fi franchises. And I say that as someone getting a little burned out on certain big franchise obsessions with the multiverse, especially the MCU. But maybe that's because it doesn't feel like they're taking the most interesting routes with it. Doctor Strange 2's multiverse segments felt pretty hollow, Spider-Man NWH was fun but built entirely on existing nostalgia, and Marvel's What If show just doesn't seem to be hitting right. Lily's speech is a nice appeal to the potential of those stories when allowed to be more creative with them and focus more on the character side of things rather than nostalgia bait spectacle.
@@SpaceCase1701I kind of agree about what if; it kind of works when it's giving more screen time to characters who didn't get as much of it in the movies (like Peggy Carter and Nebula). Not so much when it's just putting the avengers in wacky scenarios.
Yeah, I feel like the MCU has poisoned the well on multiverse stories since they used the concept in such a banal, uncreative way. The “What If” series literalized that the MCU’s multiverse was nothing more than a combination of nostalgia bait and “lol wouldn’t it be funny if _____.” But a good multiverse story can serve to illuminate aspects of the characters that wouldn’t reveal themselves in an ordinary story. [MILD THEMATIC SPOILERS FOR VARIOUS MULTIVERSE MEDIA BELOW] “Spider-Verse” shows us that anyone can be Spider-Man and that Everyman heroism doesn’t have to be chained to a personal tragedy backstory. “Everything Everywhere All At Once” illustrates the all-encompassing, epic beauty of the small and intimate love within family. “Fionna and Cake” demonstrates how our seemingly mundane world is full of wonder and possibility if we’re just willing to look for it. (And most recently, a certain episode of “Arcane” so poignantly reinforced and deepened the core tragedy of “what could have been” underlying that series that it has emotionally annihilated the fan base of that franchise.)
I too may die from how much I loved the episode. Except for one obvious problem. The Beagle was a neutral grey. That seems like a missed opportunity when purple is an option.
Before I clicked on the episode, I thought to myself "Imagine if they just canonized an existing character as gay on the way out because nobody could stop them" and I was... very happy
I was so happy to see Jolene back. She was my favorite on Enterprise and I feel like she has been ignored in the new era, it's so nice to see her again
My one and only issue, and it's a totally turbo nerd thing, is they should have added in a time travel comment for T'Pol. I think she was in her 60s during Enterprise which is young for a Vulcan, but Lower Decks in more than 200 years later in the 2380s. T'Pol would be pushing 300 by that point, and we know Vulcans don't live THAT long.
I love the rebuttal on Boimler's hatred for the multiverse. Seeing the multiverse as a way to explore ourselves, to see the limitless potential of humanity, is very VERY star trek. They really played up the "ooo multiverse suck this shit's lame" and then doing that was soooooooooooooooo good
Something truly Star Trekian of this show to take a concept, the trope of the multiverse, that so many are tired and cynical of, and to turn it around. "Actually the multiverse is rad and profound." Eternally optimistic and never dismissive.
I feel like the critical thing that kept this from being the type of multiverse story that it criticizes is that its stakes actually mattered. If the ending of the episode had instead hinged on this crew of variants sacrificing themselves somehow (which it almost seemed like they were going to do for a moment), it would have pratfalled right into the worst aspects of the trope. Instead, it ended on an extremely uplifting note of Boimler putting his faith and the fate of the multiverse not only in his/our Mariner, Tendi, and Rutherford, but his own transporter duplicate, acknowleging the character growth of Boimler from someone who can’t handle anything to someone who can handle *anything*, not just in the audiences’ estimation, but *his own*. It’s a fantastic end, and one that *matters*, despite none of the main characters in this episode being anyone in our main cast.
It is absolutely freaking beautiful to see William still have so much faith in his friends that he is so separated from. And it makes Tom's story even sadder, and there is nothing better than an episode that makes other episodes better.
William coming to the same conclusion as Bradward about the Titan but kind of being stuck without his friends to support him is kind of sad but I'm glad he's still Brad deep down
Perfect description of Boimler's arc! I'm actually crying right now (this ep made me cry too - sometimes Lower Decks is the most Trek of all the Treks)
Yes, so much yes, Zefram Cochrane is the fly boy that history remembers, and Lily Sloane is the figure hidden by history that did so much of the actually work that made the fly boy famous. Of course I also recognize that Zefram did lead the project but seriously, Lily was by his side for the whole if not the greater portion of it and contributed nearly as much if not more just by keeping him on task and herself doing much of the work and in making sure he completed the thing.
27:05 I also want to point out, since the episode features the multiverse, a line from my favorite non-Kira revolutionary, Smiley O’Brien “How all of us would’ve been, if history had turned out just a little bit different.”
I like to imagine when they brought Andrew Robinson back he had his own script ready I know he and Siddig were so happy to get to do this their zoom reads were so precious 😭😭😭 (I know they would’ve kissed in that if they were able to)
This episode to me really drives home the fact that _Lower Decks_ needs at least a good ten or twelve seasons, or five seasons of 26 episodes each, or something along those lines. So, so many more stories that could be told with the crew of characters, the pool of potential guest stars, and the general feel the creators have for what makes a Star Trek series feel like Star Trek. And more than that this episode in particular, along with the previous one, shows what _LD_ can do when they expand the focus of a story beyond our core group of lower deckers. That a show this good is only allowed 50 episodes feels like a crime.
I feel like 2 more seasons would have worked. One season of the main five easing into command positions and one season of them having adventures while acting as Bridge Crew Buddies for 4-5 new characters who then get their own Lower Decks episode at the end.
One other point -- I think this episode did a fantastic job as a deconstruction and reconstruction of multiverse stories. As they mention, at their best, multiverse stories are a way to explore possibilities. Not just a rehash, but a way to look at how different roads traveled could change a single character.
That's indeed the commonality across my favorite multiverse stories: _(EEAAO,_ _Steins;Gate,_ _Spiderverse)_ and what I find hollow and missing from the live-action Marvel films which just seem to exploit the multiverse as a way to get "replacement goldfish."
I was just expecting this to be the Harry Kim episode but it was so much more and better than that. All the guest characters were all so great to get back, and the setup for the final episode was amazing.
me too, i had been half-hoping for months they might say "fuck it, fully canon garashir," especially since there was reporting about 2 years ago that alexander siddig was going to be on lower decks and the the william boimler/""unnamed organization"" plotline hadn't been wrapped up yet. but since my general shipping hopes have been dashed in the past, i went into the episode just assuming it would be about the harry kims we saw in the trailer. if it hadn't been after midnight and i didn't have neighbors i would've literally screamed!
My hot take is that legacy characters just work better in animation for the modern era. Prodigy and LD give me so much joy with their returns Disco season 2, SNW, and even Picard are still good in different ways and not invalid but I like the animated legacy stuff a bit more
Lower Decks yet again showing us that fan service can actually make for great stories! This episode was absolutely a true gift to the long time fans! But Garack/Bashir was truly special! It's great to see so much of fandom being as excited as we are all across the internet.
I think one of the smartest decisions in this entire series was to have the composer score the entire series as if he doesn’t know it’s a comedy. That way when the show gets serious and shows the pure Trek wonder and adventure, the score is right there selling it.
The multiverse travelers did not know what a warp drive is. That's so fascinating. They've been to so many realities, seen so many things, _have Vulkans on board_ and don't know what a warp drive is.
As someone born in 1990 and whose Star Trek shows growing up were Voyager, DS9 and Enterprise I loved everything about this episode. William Boimler being sick of the multiverse tropes was hilarious.
The reason Lower Decks does the heart side of star trek so well is actually because it is the reference show. Think about it, it's peppered with easter eggs and continuity nods and answers so many questions and just drops so many names but it also references every lesson learned, every philosophy explored and that's why it's got so much of the heart of the show because it's not referencing, it's reflecting.
also as someone who loves the trill and the vulcans i like the idea that the symbionts is able to hold the katra of others, like that is what it does for the past hosts, like somewhere in the terk verse there NEED to be a like crossover where they talk about their spiritual nature and whatnot cos think of the "power" up those two could have if they just talked, like the zhian'tara is a form of Katra transference from the worm to a new host. and with that i will say i like to imagine that the humanoid trills and the Vulcans are closely related, as both have some form of katra transference
I agree fully with everything here, but I also wanted to touch on something that also made me happy - one of the Harry Kims was wearing a uniform from Star Trek Online which matched that of Harry Kim in STO. A nice little nod to the one other universe where Harry Kim got promoted!
Lily Sloan is my favorite character from Star Trek. I’m happy to quote this amazing Goolgle result. “The short story "A Girl for Every Star" in Strange New Worlds V established that a statue of Lily Sloane was created and placed outside the Sol Museum of Aeronautical Science. In the novel Captain's Peril, Sloane was considered a legend in space exploration, alongside Zefram Cochrane and Shaun Geoffrey Christopher.” None the less I hope there are a few novels with Lily as the main charecter and have the audio books narrated by Alfre Woodard.
It's like Prodigy and Lower Decks are competing to one-up each other as they try to please and surprise fans! ...and then in distant 3rd place you have SNW with its little musical episode and Lower Decks cross-over and that's very nice too
People forget how that most recent season of SNW was just made during a tough time for much of the cast and crew and all the rest. Kind of hoping they can get really on track with what's next.
@@OllamhDrab SNW is quite good overall and DSC was enjoyable by the end, it's just that Lower Decks and Prodigy have been on a completely different level than the live action shows. Being even a distant third to them is still high praise.
@@Deraphim Pretty sure a lot of that was still really slowing things down in shooting and production, but also a couple personal losses and such among the cast were a factor I can't remember all the details, but between it all I figured 'Cut em some slack' :)
Honestly this was everything I could've wanted from the penultimate episode; gratuitous fan service that also gave justice to some characters done dirty by previous writing, tying up the transporter clone Boimler loose end and having something nuanced to say about storytelling (specifically related to multiverses). I loved the parallel of the story being about an alternative federation who explores all the possibilities humanity has, while statement on the episode seems to be that multiverses can be good if you use them to explore stuff the original story didn't give much time to. Because of this I think it's a good thing that Garak and Bashir were arguing; it helped show that, while they aren't the ones we know, they are close enough variants that seeing their relationship feels satisfying.
I had to pause the episode when they said Garashir were husbands to fucking scream with how excited I was like I know it's only an alternate universe version but I didn't think they had the balls to make it canon in any reality and I'm so delighted that we have this
At first, I had this "These are the voyages" feeling that our heroes were going to be guest stars in their own last few episodes. But this turned out to be a great episode. I loved the "fan service" because it was done well. All of the appearances and references were brilliant. Some of them come from universes that we wish had been the main universe. A universe where Bashir and Garrick are gay. A universe where Trip was not killed (and in an annoyingly foreshadowed way) and spent his life with T'Pol. But my favorite moment was when Boimler sees Mariner, has a look on his face like she's the most important person in the world to him, but not really in a sexual or romantic way, charges across the room and hugs her. He's the one that sees there's a connection between these characters that transcends everything.
But Jessie, Empress Georgiou established that sometimes characters have different sexualities in alternate universes when she tried to hit on Stamets, Culber said Stamets is gay, and she responded "in my universe he's pan." Just a technicality. But seriously, I was ecstatic to see gay Garak and Bashir. I had to restrain myself in front of my family I'm closeted to hahaha.
Garashir is FINALLY canon!!! I've waited for this moment for SO many years. My heart is singing. I hoped the new Trek would make them canon, but I didn't even dare to hope to get more than a passing mention. And they got plenty of screen time this episode. This is everything I wanted but never dared to hope to get ❤
The first time i saw Jolene Blalochh was actually the Jason Movie where she got the role as Medea. I a also love T'Pol - with T'Lynn best Vulcans ever 🥰
I think the episode's stance on multiverse stories is a bit more nuanced than just getting sick of it, specifically because of what lily sloane says about her and her crew's travels, like how what boimler said about multiverses is a thinly veiled complaint, I think sloane saying that she does what she does to see the limits of human potential is a similarly thinly veiled response to to that complaint, sure multiverse stories can be poorly put together and stupidly written, but they can also show us angles to a character or setting that we couldn't even imagine before
I started messy crying at Boimler and Mariner’s friendship transcending reality. My own chosen family of friends is so important to me, and I like to believe that our connections stretch across boundaries of space and time. That somehow we’d find each other and connect in any reality. I love them all so much. On a lighter note, I’m trying to pick a new middle name cause I never got around to that. Is it self indulgent to go with the same middle name as my favorite Star Trek character?
I will say that I agree with your critique on the Harrys going along with the villain plot for a little too long to be believable, but also just as I, Harry Kim's Strongest Soldier, started to get annoyed by it, one of the Ensigns Kim came in out of nowhere to kick Lieutenant Kim in the face to my raucous cheering, so I'll take it. Also loving the implication that Captain Sloane's adventures through the multiverse have disproportionately destroyed an obscene number of Voyagers before they could reach home, which is in line with the fact that we've only ever been shown two timelines where Voyager actually beat the odds to make it home, and the latter of those overwrote the former. A true one-in-a-million shot for the Prime Voyager. Well, actually, there WAS also an alternate Voyager-A where Captain Tuvix commanded a crew comprised entirely of Enterprisians, but I feel like the less we know about how that one shook down, the better.
I'm really hoping that behind the scenes, they've been promised a movie considering they're the only series Paramount didn't allow an actual ending for (even Discovery, which was already finished, got to go back and add stuff to the finale). It would be really disappointing for them to do this to a second animated show, especially considering they're the two best Trek series we have right now. We deserve to see a proper send off for these characters.
We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time. T. S. Eliot (and Lilly)
I don't think they were lampshading. William was complaining the whole time that the multiverse is just a way to rehash material (a critique of the way that a lot of people are using it) but Lily's argument was that the multiverse was a way to see brand new possibilities. Yeah, they brought back Garek and Bashir, but we got to see them in a relationship. Yeah, they brought back T'Pol, but Trip didn't die in a dumb finale and they got to live 63 years together! And William got to see a universe where he didn't put his career over his friends, and because of that, will have made the right choice to trust the Cerritos crew. So beautiful, I love this episode so much!
It's kind of magical to watch a moment in a show you know the whole fandom is going to want to celebrate in the streets. And the last time I felt this were both young lesbian kisses, so it's nice to have some balance.
The best use of Sec. 31. I hate how it has become the end all and be all for the fandom to explain every dead brain decision made by the Federation/Starfleet.
My screams got higher and higher pitched as the episode went along. I loved this. What a perfect penultimate episode and set up for the final one. Ohgod, I'm gonna miss this perfect show.
Where do i even start with this one? Tpol had a decades long marriage to trip, finally got to see Kurzon as a character, Garek and holo Bashir in a romantic relationship of coruse the kims, mariner is almost like barkley, and cerritos boimlers freak out all the way through the to be continued was hilarious
This was a great episode and it foreshadows the next one. If our Mariner gets to meet this yellow-uniformed Mariner, it would be the third time she meets an alternative version of herself: the first was in Season 1 Crises Point, the second in Season 5 Dos Cerritos. The first one helped her realize what she was, a Star Fleet officer who likes what she is, the second made her realize what she could become but wouldn't want to. What could this third Mariner, whose life choices and results have been so different, teach her?
Star Trek: Sliders. What if you found a portal to a parallel universe??? What if you could slide into a thousand different worlds where it's the same year and you're the same person but everything else is different??? And what if you can't find your way home???
They had me hoping for Beckett Dax for a minute there... a quiet, cautious Mariner who's already figured out ways she's important and contributes without being reckless + Dax could be a very fully actualized person. Really thought they were going that way when Curzon mentioned preparing Dax for a new host experientially.
Star Trek: Sliders. What if you found a portal to a parallel universe??? What if you could slide into a thousand different worlds where it's the same year and you're the same person but everything else is different??? And what if you can't find your way home???
One thing i noticed, probably because I'm overthinking it, is that this Mariner is still an ensign. However, she's never been in jail before so she probably wasn't demoted to that. Since she's also very risk-averse at first, I think she's like the alternate Picard who didn't take any chances and was still only a timid lieutenant when prime Picard was a captain.
This season felt like little pilot episodes for several new animated series they could make. Boimler and dimension trek travel Starbase 80 Star Trek Cerritos with upper decks
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Robert Duncan McNeill 🤝Garrett Wang: Delta Flyers podcast hosts who turn out to be the big bads of Lower Decks seasons and then promptly get blown the fuck up.
I think there was an episode of Enterprise in which an enterprise from like a 100+ years in the futur that was stuck in some dimension or something came over and that one had an older T'pol on it who had been married to Trip (and they had a son) for 60+ years.. I think she was dressed in warm colors as well, taht was the T'pol I though they were pulling from anyway. .
i am just going to headcanon that in this t'pol's universe they got to keep Elizabeth also as one of the two who finished this review i like hearing people ramble about things they love
I think my one tiny criticism is the line where Captain Boimler introduces Dax. For the number of Trek references this show drops, we all know who Curzon Dax was. He didn’t need to mention Jadzia. But this was one hell of an episode, and it brought the season arc to the fore with intensity.
Two of my friends haven't seen much of Star Trek but they enjoy Lower Decks. We watched it together, and explaining all of the blatant in-jokes, fan service, and what Prime Universe things the alternates were referencing, just in the intro, took me several minutes.
Well, I had to pause this to go watch, because I hadnt seen it yet. And Im so glad I listened to you, and watched this episode before letting you continue your review. We finally get canon Bashir/Garak, and they're *married*! Old man Curzon! T'Pol! *Lieutenant* Harry Kim! Lily! So many goodies in this one. I'm blown away, in sich a good way. I can't wait to see Sean Ferrick do cetacean observations on this one! I'm as excited as you are, Jesse. Loved your review, too!
I absolutely Love your script. It feels real and off the cuff. So embracing. It can be hard to sell a one shot set, your dialog overdrives this notion and is nicely, densely packed full of bits of relevant observations. I say good job team JGAD! I feel compelled to subscribe. Liked! Carry on and know that you are appreciated.
Star Trek: Sliders. What if you found a portal to a parallel universe??? What if you could slide into a thousand different worlds where it's the same year and you're the same person but everything else is different??? And what if you can't find your way home???
😭Why now of all times?😭 I'm started to accept that this is the final season of Lower Decks. They choose now to bring back some of our favorite characters from past Star Trek shows. Now I wish somebody save Lower Decks and add one more season. I also wish they bring back Jonathan Archer and Benjamin Sisko next week.
I thought I would be against the multiverse direction this season was going to but I realized my problem is with another concept that doesn't have to be related: SNW established that history can change without changing the general direction of the timeline. While this is in line with my head canon (absolute canon for meis the current episode - the rest are broad strokes), I don't like it introduced into official canon because it could give writers an excuse to not even try to adhere to canon. In that way it could break canon because a fan couldn't rely on the things we know. This episode - or more precisely this review made me realize that the multiverse doesn't have to be related to the time travel stuff.
I loved this episode so much. William Boimler's return was awesome. Garashir was so sweet. Boimler and Mariner's friendship across universes was lovely. T'Pol mind melding with a dying Curzon made me cry. And the ending gag was one of the best laughs out of the whole season. I loved it. I loved it so much. Also a little side rant, Mike McMahan deciding that he doesn't want to make Ira's characters gay when they're not officially depicted like that in the show shows so much respect, I kind of wish ST: Picard's third season's writers had shown the same respect to the first two seasons of that same show instead of basically having the characters themselves ridicule those seasons.
This is exactly like what being married to Garak would be like. "Why are we arguing?" Because it's fun. "No it isn't!"
Maybe Garak is part Tellarite?
@@augiegirl1 I'm sure he's got a lot of interesting anecdotes from his time as a landscape photographer on Tellar Prime.
@@augiegirl1 Cardassians flirt by arguing, as established in Destiny (DS9 s3e15) Garak is in fact being super cutesy with his husband
The reminder that Cardassians flirt by arguing, as established in Destiny. This means that our lovely Cardassian surgeon spent the entire episode being super cute and adorable with his husband.
I FORGOT ABOUT THAT AND NOW I LOVE IT EVEN MORE!
So the fact that Garek and Bashir DIDNT argue their first time meeting says nothing?
Came here to say exactly this.... Almost identically worded toooo
Established in DS9 actually "adjusts spectacles
@@badrhetoric5637 Yes, and the specific episode of DS9 in which they established that was titled "Destiny" so maybe sit down friend.
The moment where William Boimler Decided with absolute trust to send the anomoly to the prime Universe, as he knew his friends would be able to save it, brought a massive lump to my throat on a crappy day. I can't wait to see our Lower Deckers become the heroes we all knew them to be, and I am 100% not ready for this show to be over.
Me too.That bit reminded me of the prisoners dilemma bit in Federation, my favorite Trek book. And this was probably my favorite Lower Decks episode ever so far, largely because of that bit.
You know it's a good episode when Jessie's review is longer than the episode itself.
I love that Garak's post Obsidian Order career in both universes involves stitching things up, clothes and people.
People are just clothes that can scream if you mess up
Except Garak is just a simple tailor.
Oh WOW, I didn't even make that connection! Awesome observation there.
I SCREAMED at Holo Bashir and Dr. Garak. That one truly was for the fans.
And for Andrew and Sid
i don't think ever in my life will i forget the moment of bashir being introduced as garak's husband. i had to pause and sob. THANK YOU LOWER DECKS!! And thank you Jessie for sharing another fabulous review, I absolutely agree this is lower decks at its finest and i can't even comprehend everything that happened. can't wait for the many rewatches to come!
I really appreciated Lily’s speech as a sort of defence of multiverses as a story telling device. William only sees the cynical Hollywood “member berries” version, but she explains why it’s such an interesting concept. It lets you take your established characters and view them from other angles to allow you to understand the originals better.
Which is exactly what we get from all the alts in this episode. It’s not the “real” versions of the characters, but all their actions and decisions reflect back on the originals, allowing us a new glimpse into them via these reflections.
@@AndrewPowerSM YES, THIS
I had the same interpretation and you articulated it really well. It’s why I don’t mind the various temporal resets of cool Voyager stories and really love the mirror universe. All these alternates tell us something about the characters, and some even become new characters with a life of their own. It has brilliant potential and Star Trek has always used it smartly imo
It is cool to see, because in general, besides the Mirror Universe and the TNG episode where Worf bounces between quantum realities, the Star Trek shows and movies really haven't done a huge amount with alternate realities to the same degree as a lot of other sci-fi franchises.
And I say that as someone getting a little burned out on certain big franchise obsessions with the multiverse, especially the MCU. But maybe that's because it doesn't feel like they're taking the most interesting routes with it. Doctor Strange 2's multiverse segments felt pretty hollow, Spider-Man NWH was fun but built entirely on existing nostalgia, and Marvel's What If show just doesn't seem to be hitting right. Lily's speech is a nice appeal to the potential of those stories when allowed to be more creative with them and focus more on the character side of things rather than nostalgia bait spectacle.
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@@SpaceCase1701I kind of agree about what if; it kind of works when it's giving more screen time to characters who didn't get as much of it in the movies (like Peggy Carter and Nebula). Not so much when it's just putting the avengers in wacky scenarios.
Yeah, I feel like the MCU has poisoned the well on multiverse stories since they used the concept in such a banal, uncreative way. The “What If” series literalized that the MCU’s multiverse was nothing more than a combination of nostalgia bait and “lol wouldn’t it be funny if _____.”
But a good multiverse story can serve to illuminate aspects of the characters that wouldn’t reveal themselves in an ordinary story.
[MILD THEMATIC SPOILERS FOR VARIOUS MULTIVERSE MEDIA BELOW]
“Spider-Verse” shows us that anyone can be Spider-Man and that Everyman heroism doesn’t have to be chained to a personal tragedy backstory. “Everything Everywhere All At Once” illustrates the all-encompassing, epic beauty of the small and intimate love within family. “Fionna and Cake” demonstrates how our seemingly mundane world is full of wonder and possibility if we’re just willing to look for it.
(And most recently, a certain episode of “Arcane” so poignantly reinforced and deepened the core tragedy of “what could have been” underlying that series that it has emotionally annihilated the fan base of that franchise.)
I too may die from how much I loved the episode. Except for one obvious problem. The Beagle was a neutral grey.
That seems like a missed opportunity when purple is an option.
Lol!
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This comment is 10/10
Before I clicked on the episode, I thought to myself "Imagine if they just canonized an existing character as gay on the way out because nobody could stop them" and I was... very happy
I was so happy to see Jolene back. She was my favorite on Enterprise and I feel like she has been ignored in the new era, it's so nice to see her again
My one and only issue, and it's a totally turbo nerd thing, is they should have added in a time travel comment for T'Pol. I think she was in her 60s during Enterprise which is young for a Vulcan, but Lower Decks in more than 200 years later in the 2380s. T'Pol would be pushing 300 by that point, and we know Vulcans don't live THAT long.
@@poomarcould have been from a universe where time flows differently, or is just temporarily displaced
@@poomar I felt that time travel was implied, given that Lily Sloane would be even older.
@@GSBarlev Lily Sloane should be dead by now. She looks much healtier and younger than McCoy did in 2360s, and he was born in the previous century.
@@GSBarlev without a warp drive I assume near light speed travel would cause a lot of time dilation
I love the rebuttal on Boimler's hatred for the multiverse. Seeing the multiverse as a way to explore ourselves, to see the limitless potential of humanity, is very VERY star trek. They really played up the "ooo multiverse suck this shit's lame" and then doing that was soooooooooooooooo good
I screamed when I saw T'Pol. I love Garak and Bashir. And Garrett Wang is clearly living his best life!
Something truly Star Trekian of this show to take a concept, the trope of the multiverse, that so many are tired and cynical of, and to turn it around. "Actually the multiverse is rad and profound."
Eternally optimistic and never dismissive.
Reminds me of the CollegeHumor sketch "The Defender of the Basic" and the nobility of being unironic and bravery of maybe being a bit cliche
I feel like the critical thing that kept this from being the type of multiverse story that it criticizes is that its stakes actually mattered. If the ending of the episode had instead hinged on this crew of variants sacrificing themselves somehow (which it almost seemed like they were going to do for a moment), it would have pratfalled right into the worst aspects of the trope. Instead, it ended on an extremely uplifting note of Boimler putting his faith and the fate of the multiverse not only in his/our Mariner, Tendi, and Rutherford, but his own transporter duplicate, acknowleging the character growth of Boimler from someone who can’t handle anything to someone who can handle *anything*, not just in the audiences’ estimation, but *his own*. It’s a fantastic end, and one that *matters*, despite none of the main characters in this episode being anyone in our main cast.
It is absolutely freaking beautiful to see William still have so much faith in his friends that he is so separated from.
And it makes Tom's story even sadder, and there is nothing better than an episode that makes other episodes better.
William coming to the same conclusion as Bradward about the Titan but kind of being stuck without his friends to support him is kind of sad but I'm glad he's still Brad deep down
I love the insight of this argument.
Perfect description of Boimler's arc! I'm actually crying right now (this ep made me cry too - sometimes Lower Decks is the most Trek of all the Treks)
Yes, so much yes, Zefram Cochrane is the fly boy that history remembers, and Lily Sloane is the figure hidden by history that did so much of the actually work that made the fly boy famous. Of course I also recognize that Zefram did lead the project but seriously, Lily was by his side for the whole if not the greater portion of it and contributed nearly as much if not more just by keeping him on task and herself doing much of the work and in making sure he completed the thing.
Yes, a woman erased from history again - until now. 🎉
Bashir was likely bi or pan.
27:05 I also want to point out, since the episode features the multiverse, a line from my favorite non-Kira revolutionary, Smiley O’Brien
“How all of us would’ve been, if history had turned out just a little bit different.”
I like to imagine when they brought Andrew Robinson back he had his own script ready
I know he and Siddig were so happy to get to do this their zoom reads were so precious 😭😭😭 (I know they would’ve kissed in that if they were able to)
hahaha yes
This episode was insane. The guest stars, Jessie... THE GUEST STARS!
Refreshing that in the Trip and TPol thing being in this and in the other verse he didn't die stupidly and lived to old age. :)
I kinda got the feeling that T'Pol went with him to S31 in her reality.
This episode continues to prove that Lower Decks completely understands the assignment.
This episode to me really drives home the fact that _Lower Decks_ needs at least a good ten or twelve seasons, or five seasons of 26 episodes each, or something along those lines. So, so many more stories that could be told with the crew of characters, the pool of potential guest stars, and the general feel the creators have for what makes a Star Trek series feel like Star Trek. And more than that this episode in particular, along with the previous one, shows what _LD_ can do when they expand the focus of a story beyond our core group of lower deckers. That a show this good is only allowed 50 episodes feels like a crime.
I feel like 2 more seasons would have worked. One season of the main five easing into command positions and one season of them having adventures while acting as Bridge Crew Buddies for 4-5 new characters who then get their own Lower Decks episode at the end.
One other point -- I think this episode did a fantastic job as a deconstruction and reconstruction of multiverse stories. As they mention, at their best, multiverse stories are a way to explore possibilities. Not just a rehash, but a way to look at how different roads traveled could change a single character.
That's indeed the commonality across my favorite multiverse stories: _(EEAAO,_ _Steins;Gate,_ _Spiderverse)_ and what I find hollow and missing from the live-action Marvel films which just seem to exploit the multiverse as a way to get "replacement goldfish."
I was just expecting this to be the Harry Kim episode but it was so much more and better than that.
All the guest characters were all so great to get back, and the setup for the final episode was amazing.
me too, i had been half-hoping for months they might say "fuck it, fully canon garashir," especially since there was reporting about 2 years ago that alexander siddig was going to be on lower decks and the the william boimler/""unnamed organization"" plotline hadn't been wrapped up yet. but since my general shipping hopes have been dashed in the past, i went into the episode just assuming it would be about the harry kims we saw in the trailer.
if it hadn't been after midnight and i didn't have neighbors i would've literally screamed!
"i'd follow you to any reality" YESSSS be still my heart
My hot take is that legacy characters just work better in animation for the modern era. Prodigy and LD give me so much joy with their returns
Disco season 2, SNW, and even Picard are still good in different ways and not invalid but I like the animated legacy stuff a bit more
This is why you don't promote Harry Kim. Janeway validated!
😂😂😂
Makes sense why galactic terrors threaten the _STO_ universe so regularly-in that timeline he's been promoted to *Captain*
One extra pip on his collar and he goes mad with power!
Lower Decks yet again showing us that fan service can actually make for great stories!
This episode was absolutely a true gift to the long time fans! But Garack/Bashir was truly special!
It's great to see so much of fandom being as excited as we are all across the internet.
Chris Westlake is not doing "Animated Star Trek"
He's doing all-in Star Trek. I love the LD sound track and I think it enhances the show
@@jayphailey animated Star Trek can be Star Trek. There’s no reason to stratify animation as “lesser” until a show proves itself
I think one of the smartest decisions in this entire series was to have the composer score the entire series as if he doesn’t know it’s a comedy. That way when the show gets serious and shows the pure Trek wonder and adventure, the score is right there selling it.
The multiverse travelers did not know what a warp drive is. That's so fascinating. They've been to so many realities, seen so many things, _have Vulkans on board_ and don't know what a warp drive is.
It's kinda ridiculous but I don't want to step on folks joy
@revjospa I mean, they explicitly aren't interested in FTL travel, and Vulkan isn't that far from earth. A generation ship could do the journey
They avoid interacting with peoples that don’t hop dimensions
As someone born in 1990 and whose Star Trek shows growing up were Voyager, DS9 and Enterprise I loved everything about this episode. William Boimler being sick of the multiverse tropes was hilarious.
The reason Lower Decks does the heart side of star trek so well is actually because it is the reference show. Think about it, it's peppered with easter eggs and continuity nods and answers so many questions and just drops so many names but it also references every lesson learned, every philosophy explored and that's why it's got so much of the heart of the show because it's not referencing, it's reflecting.
I'd guessed Jessie was going to have a serious fangirl moment over this ep but I didn't think it would be this serious
Jessie "I know I am getting over excited"
Me who just finished the episode and came right here "Nah. If anything we should all be MORE excited OMG!!"
This will be Steve Shives’ all time favorite episode of Star Trek.
That would be fun.
Especially since he hates this show for some reason (not enough to stop watching it)
I really want him to review this one. His head would probably explode and I would absolutely understand.
@@jjmfrees I hope he finds it in his cold black heart (affectionate) to enjoy this one
@ As much as he hates gratuitous pandering fan service…and this has five of them. Not likely
@@revjospa For the shows he doesn't like, he usually does a single review for the whole season, simply because he knows that’s what his viewers want.
also as someone who loves the trill and the vulcans i like the idea that the symbionts is able to hold the katra of others, like that is what it does for the past hosts, like somewhere in the terk verse there NEED to be a like crossover where they talk about their spiritual nature and whatnot cos think of the "power" up those two could have if they just talked, like the zhian'tara is a form of Katra transference from the worm to a new host.
and with that i will say i like to imagine that the humanoid trills and the Vulcans are closely related, as both have some form of katra transference
My husband and I are SO happy FINALLY I was one of those ancient shippers I just cant' believe we finally got it i'm just so happy
I agree fully with everything here, but I also wanted to touch on something that also made me happy - one of the Harry Kims was wearing a uniform from Star Trek Online which matched that of Harry Kim in STO. A nice little nod to the one other universe where Harry Kim got promoted!
Lily Sloan is my favorite character from Star Trek. I’m happy to quote this amazing Goolgle result. “The short story "A Girl for Every Star" in Strange New Worlds V established that a statue of Lily Sloane was created and placed outside the Sol Museum of Aeronautical Science. In the novel Captain's Peril, Sloane was considered a legend in space exploration, alongside Zefram Cochrane and Shaun Geoffrey Christopher.” None the less I hope there are a few novels with Lily as the main charecter and have the audio books narrated by Alfre Woodard.
It's like Prodigy and Lower Decks are competing to one-up each other as they try to please and surprise fans!
...and then in distant 3rd place you have SNW with its little musical episode and Lower Decks cross-over and that's very nice too
People forget how that most recent season of SNW was just made during a tough time for much of the cast and crew and all the rest. Kind of hoping they can get really on track with what's next.
@@OllamhDrab SNW is quite good overall and DSC was enjoyable by the end, it's just that Lower Decks and Prodigy have been on a completely different level than the live action shows. Being even a distant third to them is still high praise.
@@OllamhDrab I actually hadn't heard that. Are you just referring to Covid stuff? Was it especially bad at the time?
@@Deraphim Pretty sure a lot of that was still really slowing things down in shooting and production, but also a couple personal losses and such among the cast were a factor I can't remember all the details, but between it all I figured 'Cut em some slack' :)
Honestly this was everything I could've wanted from the penultimate episode; gratuitous fan service that also gave justice to some characters done dirty by previous writing, tying up the transporter clone Boimler loose end and having something nuanced to say about storytelling (specifically related to multiverses).
I loved the parallel of the story being about an alternative federation who explores all the possibilities humanity has, while statement on the episode seems to be that multiverses can be good if you use them to explore stuff the original story didn't give much time to.
Because of this I think it's a good thing that Garak and Bashir were arguing; it helped show that, while they aren't the ones we know, they are close enough variants that seeing their relationship feels satisfying.
I had to pause the episode when they said Garashir were husbands to fucking scream with how excited I was like I know it's only an alternate universe version but I didn't think they had the balls to make it canon in any reality and I'm so delighted that we have this
At first, I had this "These are the voyages" feeling that our heroes were going to be guest stars in their own last few episodes. But this turned out to be a great episode. I loved the "fan service" because it was done well. All of the appearances and references were brilliant. Some of them come from universes that we wish had been the main universe. A universe where Bashir and Garrick are gay. A universe where Trip was not killed (and in an annoyingly foreshadowed way) and spent his life with T'Pol. But my favorite moment was when Boimler sees Mariner, has a look on his face like she's the most important person in the world to him, but not really in a sexual or romantic way, charges across the room and hugs her. He's the one that sees there's a connection between these characters that transcends everything.
But Jessie, Empress Georgiou established that sometimes characters have different sexualities in alternate universes when she tried to hit on Stamets, Culber said Stamets is gay, and she responded "in my universe he's pan." Just a technicality. But seriously, I was ecstatic to see gay Garak and Bashir. I had to restrain myself in front of my family I'm closeted to hahaha.
The Harry Kim not getting a promotion joke never got old...
Seeing Garak and Bashir finally canon has made my whole day/year/life ❤️🔥😍😻 Now on to the fan fic renaissance for this pairing!
Garashir is FINALLY canon!!! I've waited for this moment for SO many years. My heart is singing. I hoped the new Trek would make them canon, but I didn't even dare to hope to get more than a passing mention. And they got plenty of screen time this episode. This is everything I wanted but never dared to hope to get ❤
The first time i saw Jolene Blalochh was actually the Jason Movie where she got the role as Medea. I a also love T'Pol - with T'Lynn best Vulcans ever 🥰
I think the episode's stance on multiverse stories is a bit more nuanced than just getting sick of it, specifically because of what lily sloane says about her and her crew's travels, like how what boimler said about multiverses is a thinly veiled complaint, I think sloane saying that she does what she does to see the limits of human potential is a similarly thinly veiled response to to that complaint, sure multiverse stories can be poorly put together and stupidly written, but they can also show us angles to a character or setting that we couldn't even imagine before
It harkens back to Q's line in All Good Things
Her full name is T’Pol Tucker as far as I’m concerned
63 years with Trip ❤❤
@ yessss
Since Vulcans are matriarchal, there's a chance he took her name
@ I thought they didn’t have last names but u right
She DEFINITELY tops
T’Pol T’Ucker
I started messy crying at Boimler and Mariner’s friendship transcending reality. My own chosen family of friends is so important to me, and I like to believe that our connections stretch across boundaries of space and time. That somehow we’d find each other and connect in any reality. I love them all so much.
On a lighter note, I’m trying to pick a new middle name cause I never got around to that. Is it self indulgent to go with the same middle name as my favorite Star Trek character?
I will say that I agree with your critique on the Harrys going along with the villain plot for a little too long to be believable, but also just as I, Harry Kim's Strongest Soldier, started to get annoyed by it, one of the Ensigns Kim came in out of nowhere to kick Lieutenant Kim in the face to my raucous cheering, so I'll take it.
Also loving the implication that Captain Sloane's adventures through the multiverse have disproportionately destroyed an obscene number of Voyagers before they could reach home, which is in line with the fact that we've only ever been shown two timelines where Voyager actually beat the odds to make it home, and the latter of those overwrote the former. A true one-in-a-million shot for the Prime Voyager.
Well, actually, there WAS also an alternate Voyager-A where Captain Tuvix commanded a crew comprised entirely of Enterprisians, but I feel like the less we know about how that one shook down, the better.
I'm really hoping that behind the scenes, they've been promised a movie considering they're the only series Paramount didn't allow an actual ending for (even Discovery, which was already finished, got to go back and add stuff to the finale). It would be really disappointing for them to do this to a second animated show, especially considering they're the two best Trek series we have right now. We deserve to see a proper send off for these characters.
The other Harry Kims are used to following a charismatic, cultish leader! Of course they obeyed Lt Kim!
Sorry y’all, that excited squealing noise you heard last night was me. I hope it didn’t wake you up.
How much are y'all hoping against hope that they drop a surprise feature length seseaon finale?
I'm still hoping it's only "the final season" to line up with the movie "the final frontier" and it's all just a big joke
We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time.
T. S. Eliot (and Lilly)
I don't think they were lampshading. William was complaining the whole time that the multiverse is just a way to rehash material (a critique of the way that a lot of people are using it) but Lily's argument was that the multiverse was a way to see brand new possibilities. Yeah, they brought back Garek and Bashir, but we got to see them in a relationship. Yeah, they brought back T'Pol, but Trip didn't die in a dumb finale and they got to live 63 years together! And William got to see a universe where he didn't put his career over his friends, and because of that, will have made the right choice to trust the Cerritos crew. So beautiful, I love this episode so much!
It's kind of magical to watch a moment in a show you know the whole fandom is going to want to celebrate in the streets.
And the last time I felt this were both young lesbian kisses, so it's nice to have some balance.
The best use of Sec. 31. I hate how it has become the end all and be all for the fandom to explain every dead brain decision made by the Federation/Starfleet.
My screams got higher and higher pitched as the episode went along. I loved this. What a perfect penultimate episode and set up for the final one. Ohgod, I'm gonna miss this perfect show.
Where do i even start with this one? Tpol had a decades long marriage to trip, finally got to see Kurzon as a character, Garek and holo Bashir in a romantic relationship of coruse the kims, mariner is almost like barkley, and cerritos boimlers freak out all the way through the to be continued was hilarious
This was a great episode and it foreshadows the next one. If our Mariner gets to meet this yellow-uniformed Mariner, it would be the third time she meets an alternative version of herself: the first was in Season 1 Crises Point, the second in Season 5 Dos Cerritos. The first one helped her realize what she was, a Star Fleet officer who likes what she is, the second made her realize what she could become but wouldn't want to. What could this third Mariner, whose life choices and results have been so different, teach her?
William Boimler loses his inner Star Trek and finds and even Star Trekkier Trek to inspire him
Star Trek: Sliders. What if you found a portal to a parallel universe??? What if you could slide into a thousand different worlds where it's the same year and you're the same person but everything else is different??? And what if you can't find your way home???
They had me hoping for Beckett Dax for a minute there... a quiet, cautious Mariner who's already figured out ways she's important and contributes without being reckless + Dax could be a very fully actualized person. Really thought they were going that way when Curzon mentioned preparing Dax for a new host experientially.
YES I thought this also
GARAK AND JULIAN FINALLY MARRIED WAS WORTH THE CANCELLATION AND I'LL DIE ON THAT HILL
20:49 No matter the universe Mariner and Boimler will always be best friends❤. _Friendship_ !
I 100% thought while watching "Jessie is gonna love this"
I have that same NX-01 Enterprise model! Seeing that took me back to my childhood. Thank you, Jessie! You made my day!
I loved that they got everyone back for thier roles. It was an amazing guest cast
Star Trek: Sliders. What if you found a portal to a parallel universe??? What if you could slide into a thousand different worlds where it's the same year and you're the same person but everything else is different??? And what if you can't find your way home???
I freaked tf out when I heard Jolene ❤❤
One thing i noticed, probably because I'm overthinking it, is that this Mariner is still an ensign. However, she's never been in jail before so she probably wasn't demoted to that. Since she's also very risk-averse at first, I think she's like the alternate Picard who didn't take any chances and was still only a timid lieutenant when prime Picard was a captain.
Bashir and Garak 🥰
This season felt like little pilot episodes for several new animated series they could make.
Boimler and dimension trek travel
Starbase 80
Star Trek Cerritos with upper decks
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Robert Duncan McNeill 🤝Garrett Wang: Delta Flyers podcast hosts who turn out to be the big bads of Lower Decks seasons and then promptly get blown the fuck up.
I listened to that. Garrett has such a good memory! He had so many stories and memories to share.
I think there was an episode of Enterprise in which an enterprise from like a 100+ years in the futur that was stuck in some dimension or something came over and that one had an older T'pol on it who had been married to Trip (and they had a son) for 60+ years.. I think she was dressed in warm colors as well, taht was the T'pol I though they were pulling from anyway. .
i am just going to headcanon that in this t'pol's universe they got to keep Elizabeth also as one of the two who finished this review i like hearing people ramble about things they love
❤❤
I think my one tiny criticism is the line where Captain Boimler introduces Dax. For the number of Trek references this show drops, we all know who Curzon Dax was. He didn’t need to mention Jadzia.
But this was one hell of an episode, and it brought the season arc to the fore with intensity.
They threw everything at the wall, and it is perfect. I loved it 2 minutes in and didn't stop.
Two of my friends haven't seen much of Star Trek but they enjoy Lower Decks. We watched it together, and explaining all of the blatant in-jokes, fan service, and what Prime Universe things the alternates were referencing, just in the intro, took me several minutes.
I choose to believe that they made this episode specifically to cheer you up, Jessie.
Indeed
First, I was so happy when Garak and Bashir showed up because I knew it would make you happy
Second, the way the NX stand wobbles makes me nervous
ALSO, CAPTAIN LILY SLOAN
Harry Kim. "You're still ensigns!" ROTFLMO.
Well, I had to pause this to go watch, because I hadnt seen it yet.
And Im so glad I listened to you, and watched this episode before letting you continue your review.
We finally get canon Bashir/Garak, and they're *married*!
Old man Curzon! T'Pol! *Lieutenant* Harry Kim! Lily! So many goodies in this one.
I'm blown away, in sich a good way.
I can't wait to see Sean Ferrick do cetacean observations on this one!
I'm as excited as you are, Jesse.
Loved your review, too!
I remember being blown away by Jolene's acting, and I was overjoyed that they got her back for this episode.
You broke your little ship.
Clever
This far... No further!
@@glynnseaThe line must be drawn here!
Oh my god! It’s Boimler as Steve Shives. Hahaha.
I absolutely Love your script. It feels real and off the cuff. So embracing. It can be hard to sell a one shot set, your dialog overdrives this notion and is nicely, densely packed full of bits of relevant observations. I say good job team JGAD!
I feel compelled to subscribe. Liked! Carry on and know that you are appreciated.
I wouldn't mind donating money for a season of Star Trek with just this crew
Star Trek: Sliders. What if you found a portal to a parallel universe??? What if you could slide into a thousand different worlds where it's the same year and you're the same person but everything else is different??? And what if you can't find your way home???
😭Why now of all times?😭 I'm started to accept that this is the final season of Lower Decks. They choose now to bring back some of our favorite characters from past Star Trek shows.
Now I wish somebody save Lower Decks and add one more season. I also wish they bring back Jonathan Archer and Benjamin Sisko next week.
I love everything about your video, especially the fact that it's longer than the episode. :)
How good is Nick Frost in this!
Wait, wrong video..
Damn you Two-Pip Kim!
Thank you for your light Jessie. My favorite Trek commentator. love all your takes.
Bashir is so not married to Ezri Dax, as that never made sense in STO and Destiny. He's married to Garak. In one universe.
The idea of human potential is the entire point of Q, always some of my favorite stuff.
I thought I would be against the multiverse direction this season was going to but I realized my problem is with another concept that doesn't have to be related:
SNW established that history can change without changing the general direction of the timeline. While this is in line with my head canon (absolute canon for meis the current episode - the rest are broad strokes), I don't like it introduced into official canon because it could give writers an excuse to not even try to adhere to canon. In that way it could break canon because a fan couldn't rely on the things we know.
This episode - or more precisely this review made me realize that the multiverse doesn't have to be related to the time travel stuff.
I loved this episode so much. William Boimler's return was awesome. Garashir was so sweet. Boimler and Mariner's friendship across universes was lovely. T'Pol mind melding with a dying Curzon made me cry. And the ending gag was one of the best laughs out of the whole season. I loved it. I loved it so much.
Also a little side rant, Mike McMahan deciding that he doesn't want to make Ira's characters gay when they're not officially depicted like that in the show shows so much respect, I kind of wish ST: Picard's third season's writers had shown the same respect to the first two seasons of that same show instead of basically having the characters themselves ridicule those seasons.
Absolute one of my favorite episodes EVER of the entire Star Trek Lower Decks Series!!!!!
Didn’t prime curzon die after sleeping with Vanessa Williams’ character?
Yup, death by Ja-mah-ha-ron
@@bemasaberwyn55 DEATH BY SNU-SNU!