Just started watching your videos today. Watched a whole bunch of them. I deal almost exclusively with draft horses. I like to watch different disciplines and pick up things to use. I have used a W myself. It's a good way to put a "Whoa" on a horse. Of course it's in a soft place and at a walk. It teaches them to stop and stand there. It also teaches them to stand hobbled. When you're hitching teams and multiple hitches you have to be sure all your horses are on the same page. A Running W is another tool that works if used properly.
In the situation of a team I would be a lot more excited about the W. My only thing against it in the riding world is people try to use it as a crutch instead of training the horse
About running W's. Decades ago I knew a horse that was a riding horse for ~2 yrs and for whatever reason started rearing and after a couple weeks or so (?) a real horseman was asked to fix it. He saddled, attached running W set up, got in the saddle, provoked the horse to see if it would rear. It did, he dumped it ONCE. Somehow, he stayed in the saddle from start to finish. That horse never reared again after that.
Thank you for addressing the Running W. One thing about knight latches I've noticed is if you have a really strong and bad bronc they can be ripped right out of your hand (especially if you are an older rider that has lost some of your grip strength) because you are taking the full yanking brunt of each pull directly. I've also found it very important to find my right stirrup asap and to get good at it. If you are seriously going to use one on a bronc I like one on each side of the horn to balance my one handed load. Not sure about the stirrup hobble deal. What video can you be seen using that technique? Not sure how it helps. I would like to know. So enjoy your videos. Nice to be able to communicate with someone who is younger and with more experience than me. I have kids your age.
A fella I partnered with on some cows once gave my daughter a 9yr old unbroke mare. I had refused this animal twice before but he pulled a dirty on me by giving it to her. That mare was the flipping overest POS I’ve dealt with. I ended up breaking her to pull a stone boat so I could feed in the winter. She was my only experience with using a runningW. I’d agree that if you have one that’s bad enough that using a RW is warranted, you probably should run it through a sale loose and get something different.
Yes sir I had a set of those thin nylon hobbles like they sold in the farm store for a nightlatch. They came in a box of trading stuff, who would ever hobble a horse with em? Thet worked great as a nightlatch, might have really sucked if I had ever hung up in them. I did a bunch of race colts for a few years after the track opened near here, I'd run my hand in it on some if they really wanted to buck. Most that 'bucked' were just kicking up behind and would walk on the front. I wouldn't touch that thing except for the few that really thought they'd try broncin. Nice vid and I agree with everything you're saying. Best thing on TH-cam on horse handling.
lol yup if the old timers i learned from herd anyting bad about a running w you might get knocked around, been there done that ive moved on, the best thing i learned from the old timers is to keep your ears open to everyone and everyting you might just learn a better way.
I'm a little confused about the stirrup hobbles. Are you referring to the leather straps with buckles like a belt that go around the bottom of the stirrup leathers and keep the stirrup from sliding up?
@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt ah that makes sense! Thanks so much for the clarification. I was confused why those little stirrup straps were so controversial 😁 Much to learn...
I thought running W was used on Carriage Horses to trip and sore a runaway? Hobbling stirrups didn't know that was a thing? Another interesting bit of information about Bronks. Looking forward to another Fun to listen to opinion.
Never tried one. Is that the one with string behind the ear? If so it was patented a long time ago, like 1800's. I dont recall the date off hand but I have a book of patented bits that has the date. I guess if it worked real good you would see it more often.
Haven't tried it. Cable goes around the ears when the horse put his head down to buck. Then teach himself put his bk up. I bought older horse didn't know he been abused whip w chains, they strap punching bags to him n God knows what. He has bucking problem.
I prefer to hold my rope as well. Of course when I take it down a night latch would seem appropriate as an alternative. Would a right handed person place it on the right or left of the swells. As it could get caught up possibly while roping.
If you look back in the archives there is a video about first branding on a young horse, Im riding a sorrel Filly and you will see I have a night latch under my rope. Never had occasion to use it but it makes me feel good on some of them. I put it on the right hand side and am careful of it when I dally.
Those plainsmen are the best gloves going but they are getting hard to find. Never heard it called a sissy strap lol. I rode bulls for some years myself, I wouldn't trade those years for the world but my body wishes I had taken up tennis.
I have seen and /or heard about stirrup hobbling two times in my life. A couple years ago I saw where the Lady rodeo contestants could hobble their stirrups but the men could not. I thought, that looks terribly dangerous and how could that be an advantage? Then I was watching one of your videos and you never mentioned it but I saw where you had yours hobbled.
It is not that I am not a fan, I liked Ray just fine, his program and my program are so different on the fundamental level that I rarely find cause to mention him and because I never fallowed him or when to his clinics or anything I never quote him because I never heard anything to quote. The couple of times I was around Ray we did not talk shop.
night latches were important when cowboys were out on a dark night and weren't sure how to get back to camp so they took ahold of the night latch and allowed the horse to get him home is the story I heard how it originated
I’m old and I have a night latch on my saddle, …because I don’t stick on the saddle so well anymore
whatever works
Me too
Just started watching your videos today. Watched a whole bunch of them. I deal almost exclusively with draft horses. I like to watch different disciplines and pick up things to use. I have used a W myself. It's a good way to put a "Whoa" on a horse. Of course it's in a soft place and at a walk. It teaches them to stop and stand there. It also teaches them to stand hobbled. When you're hitching teams and multiple hitches you have to be sure all your horses are on the same page. A Running W is another tool that works if used properly.
In the situation of a team I would be a lot more excited about the W. My only thing against it in the riding world is people try to use it as a crutch instead of training the horse
About running W's. Decades ago I knew a horse that was a riding horse for ~2 yrs and for whatever reason started rearing and after a couple weeks or so (?) a real horseman was asked to fix it. He saddled, attached running W set up, got in the saddle, provoked the horse to see if it would rear. It did, he dumped it ONCE. Somehow, he stayed in the saddle from start to finish. That horse never reared again after that.
Also called bucking strap or oh, sh*t handle.
Iv heard it called a lot of things. Oh Sh87t handle is a good one.
Thank you for addressing the Running W. One thing about knight latches I've noticed is if you have a really strong and bad bronc they can be ripped right out of your hand (especially if you are an older rider that has lost some of your grip strength) because you are taking the full yanking brunt of each pull directly. I've also found it very important to find my right stirrup asap and to get good at it. If you are seriously going to use one on a bronc I like one on each side of the horn to balance my one handed load. Not sure about the stirrup hobble deal. What video can you be seen using that technique? Not sure how it helps. I would like to know. So enjoy your videos. Nice to be able to communicate with someone who is younger and with more experience than me. I have kids your age.
Love your videos. Thank you.
I am sure glad you like them
A fella I partnered with on some cows once gave my daughter a 9yr old unbroke mare. I had refused this animal twice before but he pulled a dirty on me by giving it to her.
That mare was the flipping overest POS I’ve dealt with. I ended up breaking her to pull a stone boat so I could feed in the winter. She was my only experience with using a runningW.
I’d agree that if you have one that’s bad enough that using a RW is warranted, you probably should run it through a sale loose and get something different.
Yes sir I had a set of those thin nylon hobbles like they sold in the farm store for a nightlatch. They came in a box of trading stuff, who would ever hobble a horse with em? Thet worked great as a nightlatch, might have really sucked if I had ever hung up in them. I did a bunch of race colts for a few years after the track opened near here, I'd run my hand in it on some if they really wanted to buck. Most that 'bucked' were just kicking up behind and would walk on the front. I wouldn't touch that thing except for the few that really thought they'd try broncin. Nice vid and I agree with everything you're saying. Best thing on TH-cam on horse handling.
thank you so much. Yeah not Many of those track horse will buck but the ones that do sure mean it. Several have got me over the years
lol yup if the old timers i learned from herd anyting bad about a running w you might get knocked around, been there done that ive moved on, the best thing i learned from the old timers is to keep your ears open to everyone and everyting you might just learn a better way.
for sure
Again I learned something new. That I’m not gonna use anyway ;)
hope you never need them
A silk night latch? I kinda like that idea, thanks!
run with it
I'm a little confused about the stirrup hobbles. Are you referring to the leather straps with buckles like a belt that go around the bottom of the stirrup leathers and keep the stirrup from sliding up?
No. When I ride a colt for the first handful of rides my stirrups are hobbled to each other under the horses belly
@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt ah that makes sense! Thanks so much for the clarification. I was confused why those little stirrup straps were so controversial 😁 Much to learn...
@@CarvellFenton I understand
I came here to ask this... I thought stirrup hobbles are the straps that keep the stirrup from turning in the fenders...
@@jennyg.1287 Yup, that is how I heard the term used, but Bret explains his usage in his response to my question. Context means a lot! :)
I don’t use a rope on my saddle because I got hung up in that rope when that colt blew up
I have heard of that happening.
I thought running W was used on Carriage Horses to trip and sore a runaway?
Hobbling stirrups didn't know that was a thing?
Another interesting bit of information about Bronks.
Looking forward to another Fun to listen to opinion.
Glad you liked it. Yes they can be used on carriage horses as well.
What think about buck buster bridle?
Never tried one. Is that the one with string behind the ear? If so it was patented a long time ago, like 1800's. I dont recall the date off hand but I have a book of patented bits that has the date. I guess if it worked real good you would see it more often.
Haven't tried it. Cable goes around the ears when the horse put his head down to buck. Then teach himself put his bk up. I bought older horse didn't know he been abused whip w chains, they strap punching bags to him n God knows what. He has bucking problem.
What’s your opinion on a gum line to get em to stop bucking if they got lots of drop
I guess, watching the rest of the video answered my own question. Sometimes bucking was the best option.
@@kalubcurran8365 I dont know about a gum line
I prefer to hold my rope as well. Of course when I take it down a night latch would seem appropriate as an alternative. Would a right handed person place it on the right or left of the swells. As it could get caught up possibly while roping.
If you look back in the archives there is a video about first branding on a young horse, Im riding a sorrel Filly and you will see I have a night latch under my rope. Never had occasion to use it but it makes me feel good on some of them. I put it on the right hand side and am careful of it when I dally.
nice backdrop ?
Thanks
I ride with a sissy strap
I'm 66 and once a bull rider
I made fun of night latches back then. I ride with plainsman gloves also. Live and learn 8:45
Those plainsmen are the best gloves going but they are getting hard to find. Never heard it called a sissy strap lol. I rode bulls for some years myself, I wouldn't trade those years for the world but my body wishes I had taken up tennis.
I have seen and /or heard about stirrup hobbling two times in my life. A couple years ago I saw where the Lady rodeo contestants could hobble their stirrups but the men could not. I thought, that looks terribly dangerous and how could that be an advantage? Then I was watching one of your videos and you never mentioned it but I saw where you had yours hobbled.
its not fun if they buck with them
Your not a fan of Ray hunt ?
It is not that I am not a fan, I liked Ray just fine, his program and my program are so different on the fundamental level that I rarely find cause to mention him and because I never fallowed him or when to his clinics or anything I never quote him because I never heard anything to quote. The couple of times I was around Ray we did not talk shop.
Running W is used differently in English world…but still doesn’t need to be used
I didn't know that. I would love to learn how it is used.
It’s a timing pull instead of a snatch. Usually used with a leather boot over hoof instead of strap. Pull, give, pull, give. 1-2-1-2.
oh I see. and its for?@@Cparker912
night latches were important when cowboys were out on a dark night and weren't sure how to get back to camp
so they took ahold of the night latch and allowed the horse to get him home is the story I heard how it originated
why not?