The Dragon Prince: Why Fans Love Aaravos But Hate Viren | Cartoon Junkies

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  • In the Dragon Prince animated series there are two main villains - Aaravos and Viren - an charmingly mysterious dark elf and a two-faced vengeful man. Both Viren and Aaravos are dark magicians and oppose the main Dragon Prince characters by working together. So why fans love Aaravos and why fans hate Viren? Today, in this Dragon Prince review, Alcott Scoffer and Jiff Fullylover aka Cartoon Junkies will tell you all about them!
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  • @SethRGray
    @SethRGray 3 ปีที่แล้ว +563

    It’s pretty privilege. Hot people are just liked more

    • @AllahMonke
      @AllahMonke 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      LMAO😂

    • @brookemcb
      @brookemcb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      it’s so true that it hurts. but tbh, viren is pretty hot too

    • @zeearts9484
      @zeearts9484 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I mean, Aaravos is evil, but it's Viren's fault that he was able to do the things he did, that's why I'm more mad at him than Aaravos

    • @ZephyrBW
      @ZephyrBW 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      So true

    • @emperorofyoutubedebates8909
      @emperorofyoutubedebates8909 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@zeearts9484 yeah but what made him like that he gave people gifts and they even save that a little girl before

  • @lynthir6323
    @lynthir6323 3 ปีที่แล้ว +407

    Two words:
    *Hot. Boi.*
    That's it, That's exactly why half of the fandom fell for him.

    • @oJvibi
      @oJvibi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Facts

    • @user-nc4oy5rf9l
      @user-nc4oy5rf9l 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      mah boi spittin fax again-

    • @earthbornparanian6252
      @earthbornparanian6252 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Or as I would like to call it: Tumblr-sexyman syndrome.

    • @brookemcb
      @brookemcb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      and another two words:
      *hot. voice.*

    • @grandmastercultistofben
      @grandmastercultistofben 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@brookemcb IKR I fucking love the voice actor
      his names Erik tod dellums
      He voices Koh in Atla, Nazir in skyrim and nasus in LoL and LoR and the cinematics

  • @wolfkitty42
    @wolfkitty42 3 ปีที่แล้ว +403

    Viren has an amazing story and is written with such great talent... Aaravos has an AMAZING voice actor and is written eh... But then again, he's got an amazing voice actor and accidently made half of the fandom question their sexuality. That's pretty impressive.

    • @brexitfc4298
      @brexitfc4298 3 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      I feel like he isnt written eh... but rather saved to be revealed on further seasons

    • @ladyazari2785
      @ladyazari2785 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      You'r right about his voice. Is clearly AMAZING!

    • @funkyfaeriee6696
      @funkyfaeriee6696 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      we dont know that much about aaravos yet, the writing of his character may get better as the show reveals more things about him

    • @decahex5142
      @decahex5142 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      His voice is great and sounds like a Far Cry Villain

    • @B-rex395
      @B-rex395 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@brexitfc4298 this^. Aaravos will have his time to shine in season 4 (hence why it’s called “Mystery of Aaravos”)

  • @anwarabegum9151
    @anwarabegum9151 2 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    I literally fell in love with Aaravos the second he took his hood off

    • @heyjude9895_
      @heyjude9895_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Then he opened his mouth and it was game over

    • @Sophia_Regina
      @Sophia_Regina ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Literally same

    • @alishafeen6996
      @alishafeen6996 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣he didn't have take off his hood off..I thought he was adorable but when he spoke 🤤🤤🤤🤤that game over for me .

    • @TiannaThomas-jv9yk
      @TiannaThomas-jv9yk 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      When he took off his liked him but when he spoke my heart jumped out of my chest
      His voice is so hot

    • @anwarabegum9151
      @anwarabegum9151 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@TiannaThomas-jv9yk ik 😍😍😍

  • @amandawade7803
    @amandawade7803 3 ปีที่แล้ว +188

    Don't hate Viren as a villain. In fact I think he's a very grounded villain. He even reminds me of several "villains" within our own history. How many of us have fallen into the trap of vague idealism? It's like saying "I'm fighting for world peace", which is great but ultimately means nothing. It's too easy of a temptation to twist a vague yet noble goal into a mask to hide your own selfish ambitions.
    He wanted the princes dead because they would get in his way of making decisions they way he wanted, which was hidden behind the mask of "they would make weak decisions and would jeopardize the future of humanity".
    I have this feeling that the creators are building Viren in this way so he can have some kind of selfless sacrifice redemption moment. (It's just a gut feeling, I could be completely wrong).
    That said I LOVE Aravose as a villain, because 1. I just love to look at him, 2. He's charming, 3. We know next to nothing about him, 4. Callum. I like many who watch this show am a fan of ALTA are intrigued to see the development of Callum learning magic, anticipating him to learn more. He has accomplished 1/6 of what Aaravos has, which makes me extremely curious to see the interaction between these two characters, and how Aaravos is going to be defeated. Aaravos is great villain to bounce off of Callum.

    • @Stefan-xt5sk
      @Stefan-xt5sk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I like both Aaravos and Viren as villains and characters, but Viren definitely gets most of my hate because he's an abusive father with corrupt morals who gaslights his own son and hits Ezrans pet (Bait). Those are all very relatable qualities for us in the real world. We haven't seen Aaravos do that much yet, so he's mostly an intriguing (and hot xD) fantasy villain, far from being as despicable as Viren has become through his actions.

    • @earthbornparanian6252
      @earthbornparanian6252 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly

    • @GGNH1234
      @GGNH1234 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I thought Aaravos would be the direct antagonist to Zym, and that it would be him who defeats Aaravos in the end. The show is called The Dragon Prince after all.

  • @scarjaisero4716
    @scarjaisero4716 3 ปีที่แล้ว +221

    You know I actually like Viren, his story is so well written and is definitely in my top 5 of TDP characters.

    • @demonix207
      @demonix207 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Aaravos is my fav cause I never liked humans but even while I like him so much cause he is a lil bit like Sauron I also like Viren so much and I cannt understand why you should hate one of these so welllwritten charakter's...

    • @brexitfc4298
      @brexitfc4298 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I mean I don't *hate* pretty much any character but the ones I could say are one of my favourites is
      -Aaravos
      -Amaya
      I don't get why people hate villains for literally doing what they are supposed to do ; *being a villain* 😂

    • @thebestcicinmage4485
      @thebestcicinmage4485 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@brexitfc4298 you make no sense

    • @brexitfc4298
      @brexitfc4298 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thebestcicinmage4485 right u must be pretty bad at understanding if u didn't understand that
      1. I said I don't hate any character
      2. I said Amaya and Aaravos is my favourite
      3. I said it is weird people hate Viren for being a villain

    • @thebestcicinmage4485
      @thebestcicinmage4485 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@brexitfc4298 people hate villain because they are villains. You don’t say “wow that person just killed someone, amazing.”. It makes since for people to hate villains because you’re supposed too.

  • @elmonpawz4843
    @elmonpawz4843 3 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Me: *Watching The Dragon Price*
    Aaravos: *Gives Viren his worm*
    Me: *Expecting his voice to be normal*
    Aaravos: *Sounds like some sort of god with an awesome and entrancing voice*
    Me: *Confused and pleased squeal*
    Viren: *Immediate fear*
    Aaravos: ‘Why is that girl squealing? And why won’t this guy talk?’ “Speak, so I may hear you,” ‘Oh, and little girl, SHUT. UP’

    • @freyjagunkel2079
      @freyjagunkel2079 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Same I would talk the whole day to him if I had the chance😂👍

    • @loukiamillen8834
      @loukiamillen8834 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@freyjagunkel2079I pretend I do😅😅😅

  • @madeleinedartois4689
    @madeleinedartois4689 3 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    I actually love Viren as a character. I love how he gets lost between Jafar and Jon Snow; how his complex psychology between lust for power and abnegation makes him so compelling to watch. Just the scene where he yells at his reflection is brilliant because it subverts the classic "Mirror on the wall who's the fairest of them all" : months of unsuccessful attempts to fail to discover the mirror's secrets, plus not being able to save so many people he loved, actually got him to associate his own face with the very idea of failure.
    Actually, I think he suffers from a white-knight syndrome.

    • @hannahburke7328
      @hannahburke7328 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      White Knight Syndrome?
      What's That?

  • @spider59er35
    @spider59er35 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    He’s literally the Intro Narrator
    And nothing bad ever happened to the narrator

  • @edgaramemura1571
    @edgaramemura1571 3 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    Hmmm I don’t really know about other people but my reason for hating Viren but loving Aaravos is because Viren is a realistic villain, he’s emotionally manipulative, he gaslights, yada yada. He reminds me of my own parents. He’s very well written but he hits too close to home. Aaravos is manipulative but he’s more fictional and outlandish. I don’t know how to say it well but that’s my reasons. Plus Aaravos is pretty and Viren isn’t as pretty which doesn’t help Virens case.

    • @madeleinedartois4689
      @madeleinedartois4689 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Oh ? Could you develop about Viren reminding you of your manipulative parents ?

    • @brookemcb
      @brookemcb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      “he reminds me of my own parents” well that escalated

  • @kormaclodgin5121
    @kormaclodgin5121 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    both are great characters. Viren is not your typical flat out evil guy since he was shown to do good. It's more like a slow descent into evil over the time.

  • @Stefan-xt5sk
    @Stefan-xt5sk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    What makes me hate Viren is how he abuses the trust of his children, gaslights Soren, hits Bait, brands "traitors" with badges,... ^^ All of those are real life things that hit me hard emotionally. His consistently bad choices despite good intentions also don't help.
    Aaravos is hot, I admit that helps, but he rarely does things that would make me hate him. He manipulates Viren - not good but who cares, we hate that guy anyway. He kills people. I've never experienced that myself (only in video games and movies) and would assume that it's the same for most viewers. So that also doesn't affect me strongly. Aaravos' intentions are mysterious, so we can't even scream at him for being blind and making stupid decisions.
    Now, who would cause more negative emotions? A mysterious big bad evil guy in a fantasy story or a horrible, corrupt father who also hits pets?

  • @michaeldorsey9231
    @michaeldorsey9231 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I have no particular issue with the protagonists of this series, but I really want Aaravos to take the piss out of them.

  • @c.jinuzuka8438
    @c.jinuzuka8438 3 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    Aaravos wants freedom. I don't see him as a villain because he is a startouch elf, they are a long lived race but stand apart from most preferring to watch the weaving of the world's tapestry. Aaravos I feel wants to help cause chaos or change, simply to be able to watch it happen and liven up a life that has become monotone to him.

    • @Fishj659
      @Fishj659 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wait what, you dont see him as a villain because of his species?
      Could of left that but out because thats a weak arguement

    • @c.jinuzuka8438
      @c.jinuzuka8438 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Fishj659 Across the board, most elven species that people write up or put in shows/movies are long lived. Startouch elves in particular can live upwards of 5000 years, and as such are extremely rare, only 1 being born every several generations.Once a certain age is reached, most species become numb and isolated toward society, standing apart from others. Look up the Startouch Elven wiki on the dragon prince wiki website. I believe Aaravos is a very chaotic neutral being, does everything for his own benefit and curiosity. He's not evil per say, plus he was trapped in a mirror for who knows how long by himself. That would drive anyone at least a little crazy. I don't want an argument, i was just stating an opinion in my post above.

    • @Fishj659
      @Fishj659 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@c.jinuzuka8438 i guess that makes sense, do t really have anything to say. But i do see him leaning more towards the chaotic evil side considering he was trapped in a mirror for something “bad”. And isolated there for a long time

    • @J0.n.
      @J0.n. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@c.jinuzuka8438 wait how do people know that he a start touch elve and information about them

    • @Diehard831
      @Diehard831 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Then by that logic i can say the devil is not evil cuz all+ not devil angels but others are pure good meaning devil must be cool to

  • @richard-cv8wm
    @richard-cv8wm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I just like aaravos cos he’s so mysterious and i love the design of his character and he mastered all six primal sources of magic and he just says he was trapped in the mirror for centuries and doesn’t say why who doesn’t love not knowing stuff and that cliffhanger where his little bug pal spins itself into a larvae and grows

  • @supremeoverlorde2109
    @supremeoverlorde2109 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I think with that last point, you hit the nail on the head. Sure, Aaravos commands attention with his charisma and pretty design, but that's just scratching the surface. I believe people are drawn to Aaravos because, despite the fact that he is locked in a prison, it feels like he is very much in control during every scene he's in. While we still don't know a lot about him, it's clear he knows what he wants and he's not afraid to go after it. He's strategic and smart --- knowing when to push ahead and when to pull back --- and we know him to be one of the most powerful creatures alive. I think many fans have also deduced that there's more to his story than meets the eye. Based on what we've learned about him thus far, it's likely that he's not just your typical power-hungry villain, but potentially a fallen hero with a vendetta against those he feels have wronged him. And that right there makes him pretty compelling (The writers could certainly turn this idea on its head and reveal that he was evil the whole time, but Aaron Ehasz really seems to like character complexity, so I'm not convinced it will be that simple).
    Viren, on the other hand, is pretty much just a normal guy who is messing with forces he doesn't fully understand. He's arrogant and seems to BELIEVE he has everything under control --- when we as audience members know that isn't the case, and that he will either be corrupted or be disposed of by Aaravos when it's most convenient. Viren is a fascinating character, and quite a well-written one in my opinion, but I think, as you said, Viren is lying to himself on some level. He wants to think he's not only in control, but doing what he has to do for the good of humanity --- but as time goes on, that starts to feel more and more like an excuse to just accumulate more power. And the fact that he cannot be honest with himself about his own motivations and limitations, I believe, is what makes him generally less likable than Aaravos.
    Also, I wanted to point out something else worth noting. Some of Viren's bad deeds are a lot more personal than Aaravos's. For example, Viren kind of treats his kids like trash, and he manipulates them frequently to achieve his own ends. And viewers tend to frown on this kind of behavior --- more so than that of a character like Aaravos, who has so far on screen only killed a bunch of random people the audience doesn't care about. I'm sure that could also be a contributing factor.

  • @martinasq02
    @martinasq02 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I truly believe those who hate Viren do so solely because of how he treats others' feelings and opinions: that is, he doesn't care at all -he thinks he knows what's best and that's it. And unironically that IS the reason he's a villain. The whole "war with Xadia" part is just reasonable given the context not only Viren, but every character in the show grew up in. To put it simply, Viren simply internalized the chains of history Harrow told Callum about in the letter...but at heart, he truly believes he's doing the right thing, that he's the ONLY ONE who cares about said right thing, and that's why he ends up going to Aaravos for help. He tried to convince the council, and it didn't work; the pentarchy didn't listen to him, so in what I truly believe was, to him, desperation, he turns to the one person he knows may oppose a threat to Xadia. And even before trusting Aaravos, he attempts doing research, which just doesn't give him any information whatsoever. He's just kind of forced between putting his pride aside or a shot in the dark, and eventually finds himself being completely manipulated by Aaravos without even noticing -because he doesn't know what to do, just that his heart and his mind are in (what he believes to be) the right place. That's why he went to Aaravos in the first place.
    Power isn't Viren's purpose, but rather his Achilles heel and that's why he's an exceptionally believable villain.

  • @EGV88
    @EGV88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Okay, I've thought some more about this, and I think I know some explanations:
    the lesser reason is that Aaravos has shown to have a sense of humour and being light-hearted at times. That makes him more of a pleaseant person, unlike Viren, who constantly takes himself way too seriously.
    Now for the main reason: Aaravos has been built up as this great person who has done amazing things for humans. That makes us see him through rose tinted glasses; we imagine he's good because we want him to be. It would be devastating to learn that someone who helped so many was secretly horrible this entire time.

  • @BNRmatt
    @BNRmatt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The reason we judge Aarovos and Viren by double standards is the scale of their villainy. Aarovos's motives and end goals are unclear, but it's probably something on a larger, world or cosmic scale that we don't feel as intimately. We know he does or tries horrible things along the way - like trying to kill the Dragon Prince and killing many, many, many Sunfire Elves - but it doesn't feel as real because of the scaling. Meanwhile, Viren does some evil stuff that we find relatable - he gaslights his children, he's a vain narcissist, he pushes people around him to take immoral actions, he plots to take power, he tries to kill children, and he does kill animals. It's like comparing the abusive father who beats his kids with a King who plots to invade another country - one is a visceral gut punch while the other is more abstract and we can even come up with justifications.
    Also, he's pretty and he has THAT VOICE. Just, dayum.

  • @Ziffelzoovop
    @Ziffelzoovop 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    My boyfriend and I are watching The Dragon Prince together and my very first theory on why Aaravos is who he is is what he and I are going with and joke about a lot.
    What is known: Aaravos very smart, old, powerful, and hella trapped and pissed off about it.
    The idea: He's reeeeaaally fucking board in his pretty prison and is just excited that there is someone to talk to. It's a pity it's a human but humans are dumb so let's have some fun and see what kind of doom we can create. It'll be fun to watch. Why not mess with this human thusly and if we happen to get dragon revenge and/or freed then double points! Woot! If not, then, meh, it was fun while it lasted.
    Basically, Aaravos be trollin and that's what my boyfriend and I are going with and it brings us much giggles.

  • @Tangerine2600
    @Tangerine2600 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The point is that we barely know anything about him other than
    1. hes evil
    2. he has a charismatic and weirdly charming personality.
    Therefore we can just kinda headcanon whatever we want on him.

  • @selahsilane9838
    @selahsilane9838 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    DUDES, HIS VOICE!!! The first intro in the series is in Aaravos’ voice so when we finally hear it coming from his face(which is a wholeordeal by itself) it’s rings familiar. As well as it being deep and pretty.

  • @Mediados
    @Mediados 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I didn't even know people disliked Viren. He is a great antagonist, someone with good principles and intentions but an extremist. He would do anything to fulfill his vision of a free humanity.

  • @AdorableFloof1999
    @AdorableFloof1999 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I like Aaravos, but as like a warning label, he is a perfect example of just because someone seems well mannered and perfect doesn't mean they're a good person. I think Aaravos is in dnd terms going to fall closer to the Chaotic Evil side of things, evil for the sake of it.
    I also like Viren, he could be a very interesting study to see how quickly ambition and a sense of self-importance can lead to evil acts in the name of something you deem good.

  • @richardmangelmann4975
    @richardmangelmann4975 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    aaravos has honestly such a complicated history if you think about it. I just wanna know everything around him because to this point we still don't really know if he'd good or bad. A the creators said, he's complicated

  • @PerfectlyImperfect93
    @PerfectlyImperfect93 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I actually love them both lol

  • @wolfkitty42
    @wolfkitty42 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Also I can't get over you guys pronouncing his name Are-ah-vohs lol

  • @savannahhoskins630
    @savannahhoskins630 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I like all the villains in the show.
    They all have different aspects on why they’re evil for different reasons.
    Viren: is literally the embodiment of corruption of one morals and values.
    Clodea: doing evil things out of love, and trying to save the people she cares about even if it means she dies in the process.
    Aaravos: a cunning character, who does not yet show his motives, but clearly you can tell they’re not good.
    All three villain types are very popular, and the fact that they’re all trying to go to the same goal makes it even more fun to watch them.
    Now, I will say one thing Viren had said that he wanted to settle down and live his meaning of life with his daughter I was actually was almost proud. But then Claudia slaps him in the face. Lol

  • @eszterhavasi725
    @eszterhavasi725 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I love Viren for idk why. I mean. I hate him but he's my fav character. He is interesting! And I think he should get a redemption or something. Aaravos is just annoying and just sits in a mirror. Eh. Also, not my type xd

  • @Jackoboy33
    @Jackoboy33 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    So, I’ve rewatched dragon prince twice in a row now just to figure out virens psychology. He is such a great character but I can’t fully figure out his motive. Is it that he wants power in terms of authority or magic? Or is it just that his curiosity from the mirror and dark magic got out of control to a point where he’s no longer in control of even himself? I think it’s a mix of both.

  • @danielabohunicka4604
    @danielabohunicka4604 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    *When he mentioned Sebastian*
    *I died*
    *Because i love him so effing much*

    • @madeleinedartois4689
      @madeleinedartois4689 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He is the first guy I thought to when Aaravos said "I never lie." Plus, the Faustian pact, and the purple eye thing.

    • @ladyazari2785
      @ladyazari2785 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      When I saw Sebastian, I frozed in my place.
      HE IS DEADLY HANDSOME!

    • @danielabohunicka4604
      @danielabohunicka4604 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ladyazari2785 *and mine >:0*
      *yes, me and him are getting married soon. UwU*

    • @raydiationpoisoning
      @raydiationpoisoning ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wait a minute, the crab???!
      Edit: oh.. I get it now..

    • @Ixhaqu
      @Ixhaqu ปีที่แล้ว

      Sebastian as in Sebastian micheals

  • @catdacat5863
    @catdacat5863 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Alot of people say it's because he's hot, and I think that's true- to a degree. Aaravos and Viren are very similar, but I think the reason alot of people don't like Viren is for two reasons. The first one being is that while Aaravos is constantly calm and collective, Viren gets hot headed and throws a tantrum when he doesn't get his way- they're both manipulative and power hungry, but it's easier to see Viren as the entitled snob he is, but I bet we'll eventually see Aaravos throw a fit too, eventually. Also, the second thing that makes him more unlikeable is the fact that he's not only someone his children looks up to, but he's someone that is MEANT to protect and guide them. Viren became unlikeable af the moment he used the affection and admiration his children have for him to bait them into his bidding. I mean, I do like Viren, I just think this may be why people like Aavaros more than him.

  • @Sakibou
    @Sakibou ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm sorry, who are these people who believe Viren had anything to do with Harrow's assassination? Nothing about the narrative supports this theory. As far as we've been shown, Viren genuinely considered Harrow to be his friend. He was literally going to sacrifice himself to save Harrow. Nothing about his actions would indicate that he only went to Harrow's bedroom to kill him in some fit of jealousy. Why even degrade himself by kneeling if that had been his goal?
    Even more importantly, we are actually shown Runaan's bracelet (which is linked to Harrow's life) falling off. AFTER the battle against the guards, during which Viren would have had no opportunity to re-enter Harrow's bedroom. And Runaan certainly would have brought it up during the interrogation if the king was already dead by the time he got to him.
    So, basically, even if the idea was that Viren decided to kill Harrow after Harrow insulted him, the above would still make that an illogical conclusion.

  • @_-.Moon.-_.
    @_-.Moon.-_. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Him:starting with Sebastian from black butler
    Me:slowly gets away from Sebastian body pillow and changes out of my black butler shirt with Sebastian on it

  • @earthbornparanian6252
    @earthbornparanian6252 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I personally love but hate Viren at the same time, as he is my favorite type of villain who has his intentions being true yet methods being skewed, I also seem to like more realistic complex characters rather than generic characters who are just for the sake of being bad. I have to say the one thing I like about this show is how they show some of the nastiest characters can also be quite sympathetic as they are quite caring towards their families (such as Runaan with Rayla, Azymondias and Zym, and Khessa with Janai. So I think that Viren does legitimately care for his daughter Claudia as he once even said "she's not an asset, she's my daughter" which I think was really heartfelt and sincere.
    While with Aaravos, it almost feels like an internet phenomenon for people to thirst over him which really reminds me of what happened with other characters such as the Once-ler, Prince Sidon, Ao Bing, and even RK from Mole's World. I find that amusing in an ironic way as I am either grey ace or demisexual as I only develop crushes on people and characters if they are similar to me in some aspects yet different than me in other aspects (such as Zuko from ATLA and a few close friends of mine in school during my youth) while others just feel like an embodiment of comphet for me (especially my weird teen crushes.
    Anyways, I still hope they don't make Aaarvaos a generic cartoon villain puppetmaster who is bad for the sake of being bad considering how all the other characters are quite complex in the series.

  • @Tangerine2600
    @Tangerine2600 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I also think its possible that viren used to be a good person and was trying to help the world, and seems so indecisive and self righteous because it is his good side fighting against the side corrupted by dark magic.

  • @nh8489
    @nh8489 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I personally love Viren and Aaravos equally, but for completely different reasons. I adore Aaravos' voice and appearance, but I admire Viren's resolve and his willingness to sacrifice anything for the sake of humanity's future. As a villain, I like Viren more since we understand him better and know his intentions are in the interest of his people.

  • @phrinus
    @phrinus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You see, as an aro/ace I didn't care much about the voice/appearance/charm while watching. I loved Viren as a character, because of his complexity: choices, the symbolism of his appearance, relationships with the kids and the king, impulsiveness, ideas and "pragmatic nature" as he would put it. When your eyes are clouded by the sexuality of a particular person, you lose the objectiveness of your statements.

  • @ladyazari2785
    @ladyazari2785 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't hate Viren. I just...don't like him like I like (and love) Aaravos. There are some things that Aaravos has and Viren doesn't have.

  • @definitely_not_a_goose
    @definitely_not_a_goose 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Let's put it this way -
    I'd choke Viren if I could
    And I'd let Aaravos choke me

  • @deaganachomarunacathasaigh4344
    @deaganachomarunacathasaigh4344 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love Aaravos because he's evil. But he also makes the series so much more interesting

  • @theredknightsalliance9897
    @theredknightsalliance9897 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Let me provide a more simple answer: We all just simp for Aaravos

  • @_.-Skitterbug-._
    @_.-Skitterbug-._ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    NGL I shipped them, and I still do
    *No regrets*

  • @michaelkimberling7307
    @michaelkimberling7307 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Viren kinda reminds me of Gul Dukat from Star Trek ds9. Outwardly he wants what he says is best for everyone but inwardly a complete psychopath who wants to control everything.

  • @angelbird538
    @angelbird538 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We like Aaravos because he is fabulous and sexy.

  • @2ndpersonshooter713
    @2ndpersonshooter713 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Aaravos is voiced by Erik Dellums, who did KOH THE FACE STEALER

  • @valerie3088
    @valerie3088 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i think most of us just simp for him XD

  • @l3ete1geuse
    @l3ete1geuse 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You guys are way off the mark when it comes to Viren. His motivations are easy to understand, if you put yourself in his shoes. Viren actually believes that he wants humanity to prosper. You can see this if you look at what he's done and I'll list his actions in chronological order.
    1. When famine hits the human kingdoms, Viren devises a plan to take the heart of an elemental lord that will stop the famine and succeeds, thus saving the kingdoms from starving.
    2. When Viren sees Thunder kill Harrow's wife and nearly wipe out their company sent to take the heart, he believes that it isn't enough to just occasionally venture into Xadia to for resources. He figures out that there are monstrous threats within Xadia also need to be done away with. So he hatches a plan to kill Thunder and succeeds.
    3. When the Moonshadow Elves come to assassinate Harrow, Virin comes up with a plan to save Harrow. Why? Because Viren not only regards Harrow as a friend, he truly believes this; but because Viren recognizes Harrows ability to help humanity prosper. However, his beliefs that Harrow can lead humanity are dashed when Harrow gives into his fate believing this to be a consequence of his actions. So what does harrow do, he takes over believing himself to understand what humanity needs to survive and prosper.
    4. His actions towards the princes should be the most well understood. Regardless of the fact that we the viewers do see that both Calum and Ezran are wise beyond their years, Viren is correct in assuming that a child king won't have the mental fortitude to lead. So again, believing that he has the tools to lead humanity, hatches a plant to have the princes killed.
    I could name more, but this comment will be too long if I do. What makes Viren a great villian is that true to life, many of those that believe they can, "protect," humanity or are doing things, "for the greater good," can't forsee the consequences of their actions. Every consequence that Viren is dealing with is of his own making. But like many real life tyrants, he doesn't see this.

  • @grunt4943
    @grunt4943 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the reason i like aaravos more is because he reminds me of scar

  • @lonebattledroid4474
    @lonebattledroid4474 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Also Arrovos is raising up humans while knocking Dragons/ Elves off their high horse.

  • @gavinmorrison2597
    @gavinmorrison2597 ปีที่แล้ว

    I personally love Aaravos because he is a intelligent and charismatic villain, there are too many villains who are simple minded and boring to watch. (Not saying that is bad because sometime you just need a villain to hate) he just has a sort of mystery about him and he is just fun to watch.

  • @rulerzreachf4n200
    @rulerzreachf4n200 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    But I think they’re both super hot

  • @tutoring1013
    @tutoring1013 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Aaravos is just sexy and intelligent. Dreamy...lol. But to be honest, my favorite character in the whole series is Runaan.

  • @lifeloverxx
    @lifeloverxx ปีที่แล้ว

    i literally fell for aaravos as soon as he appeared on my screen LMFAO

  • @DANTE-kg4zg
    @DANTE-kg4zg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Do people actually hate Viren? I thought he was pretty great

  • @benvolkmann9678
    @benvolkmann9678 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *Me after reading the title*:
    What the hell, i Love both of them!

  • @inariloli6607
    @inariloli6607 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don’t hate Viren, but I sure as hell like Aaravos better.
    The main/meme reason is well, pretty privileges. Aaravos is an extremely attractive character. But, me personally, I find Viren attractive as well. They are both very pretty, but Aaravos wins that.
    Others reasons Aaravos is more liked is because, though we have been told stories of Aaravos being a manipulator, we’ve only ever seen him manipulate Viren, and possibly Callum (can’t 100% remember correctly on Callum’s part).
    Viren, on the other hand, has used his status to become king after king Harrow died, manipulated his son to kill the princes (failed attempt) then gaslit his son to think he miss heard him. Overall just treated Soren horrible.
    Viren has also hurt other lovable characters, such as Runaan and attempted (succeeded to some extend) to kill every other Kingdoms rulers and blame it on the Elves. Much more to go off of when it comes to that.
    Aaravos, has killed people, but most of them were unknown to us, or not well known by us.
    And, If we add theories on to this. It’s theorized that Viren never had good intentions, and that Aaravos always had good intentions. (But theories such as this could just have become due to people loving Aaravos.)
    I could go on more, but I’m tired. So though I may not have explained my thoughts very well in this comment, I still hope you enjoyed reading my thoughts. Have a good day/afternoon/night!

  • @damesayo4656
    @damesayo4656 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sadly, reasons for liking Aaravos are kinda disapointing. He is very good character or more like he is hinting at being one,but,just like in real life, people love his design. That's all
    I like Viren.

  • @clairekang6194
    @clairekang6194 ปีที่แล้ว

    We also have this example with Rafal in the school for good and evil

  • @lucy_rose_hearts1303
    @lucy_rose_hearts1303 ปีที่แล้ว

    *Me simping for both* : I see this as an absolutely win

  • @lovelessbeloved6197
    @lovelessbeloved6197 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sigh....I feel bad for Varien I offten suspect that he is probably the way he is now and tries to do what he does because of his past with his wife.

  • @radecstark3191
    @radecstark3191 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Viren is a murderer traitor and a punk
    Aarvos is just that bad guy with a cool voice

  • @Virrow
    @Virrow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    it cuz he a pretty star man :)

  • @Silkyfin_
    @Silkyfin_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    it's just cuz Aaravos is hot, it's that simple. also, that is not my opinion. that is objectively a correct fact

  • @PeaceGrrl
    @PeaceGrrl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:15 - 1:23 A little reminder that edited clip is from an AMV from ShadyVaati 's DEVOTION | Viren/Aaravos ( th-cam.com/video/9iAxOkgDr_w/w-d-xo.html. )Just a little shoutout to the original editor of that clip. Nice analysis! ^^

  • @nardshappydaddy
    @nardshappydaddy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Or becuase he's handsome????? SO THIS CREEP UPLOADED A VIDEO CALLED '' THE ENTIRE DRAGON PRINCE FANDOM'' AND LIKE AARAVOS WAS STANDING BESIDE THIS CREEP AND THE CREEP Said to AARAVOS " DO YOU GOT A DATE OR NOOOOTTTTTT WHO IS YOUR DATE OR NOTTTTTT" JUST ADMIT THAT IT'S NOT ROMANTIC

  • @diavalx7639
    @diavalx7639 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly, I don’t hate Viren as much
    or Aaravos either. Personally, I believe Lord Viren is good somewhere but he was easily manipulated by Aaravos. Maybe in part four Lord Viren will get a redemption who knows

  • @christosgiannopoulos828
    @christosgiannopoulos828 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't really hate Viren. I just get mad that people still trust him. Why ? Everyone has seen what he's done by now and yet he still has support. I especially don't understand why Claudia still trusts him after what he put her and her brother through.
    As for Viren's motivation, I think he's just after power and world domination. Maybe he was an idealist at some point but he has long since been corrected

  • @sophiejones3554
    @sophiejones3554 ปีที่แล้ว

    I actually love Viren, and I'm not actually sure people hate him so much as pity him. He feels like the deck is stacked against him, and all humans (he is probably in fact wrong about this, but this is clearly the way he sees things). His rejection of morality is very understandable: if still definitely corrupt and bad. If people do hate him, maybe it's because his story hits too close to home. We've all been in the same boat as Viren.
    As for why people love Aaravos, it's really very simple: he believes himself to be in the right, wholeheartedly. Confidence is attractive. Fans look for ways to explain (if not justify) his actions because he is clearly justifying his actions to himself.

  • @nardshappydaddy
    @nardshappydaddy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Probably becuase Aavaros is NAKED🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @victorvvc1925
    @victorvvc1925 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are totally right! Dude I love Aaravos!

  • @milissiousofficiel9044
    @milissiousofficiel9044 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:41
    Name of the artist please ?

  • @EmeraldLilly94
    @EmeraldLilly94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder if aaravos is a loki or neutral type of character. Like he just does what he wants

  • @trollkienofficial1225
    @trollkienofficial1225 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I tthink Viren is a well written villain, but I don't really like him as a character. And yeah, Araavos is cool, but who can blame me? XD

  • @yamimarik7854
    @yamimarik7854 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love him because he is annoying, pain in the nick evil villain with high self esteem of him self and over confidence and secret super mysterious plan

  • @biabrazilian
    @biabrazilian 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    it's actually very simple: we like Aaravos because he is charming and charismatic while Viren isn't, can someone blame us? 🤷‍♀️

  • @wcueproduction9261
    @wcueproduction9261 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love Both of them, but I think Aaravos is Prob my Fav Villain.

  • @b0xbrain
    @b0xbrain 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Short answer:
    He's ✨sexy✨

  • @EGV88
    @EGV88 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's the shiny freckles.

  • @lesspolanco4090
    @lesspolanco4090 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We love Aaravos bc he's handsome, sexy and evil... And a great villain 😅

  • @madewhole-ev4uy
    @madewhole-ev4uy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    his voice
    end of comment

  • @HookPhire
    @HookPhire 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like viren, he’s pretty cool character, and I like his design

  • @mylenebascur4497
    @mylenebascur4497 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I mean, we "hate" Viren, and love Aaravos. But they are both great written characters.

    • @mylenebascur4497
      @mylenebascur4497 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Plus, Aaravos voice makes me love him immediately

  • @caitlinsheridan
    @caitlinsheridan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    cause he's hot, next question

  • @skrillZUPOLARCOINS4599Parjol
    @skrillZUPOLARCOINS4599Parjol ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love both but think Ezran is way too annoyng

  • @milawy8115
    @milawy8115 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Much like loki are favorite british dude

  • @laser986
    @laser986 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    so aaravos is like bill cipher but an elf?

  • @loukiamillen8834
    @loukiamillen8834 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I hate Viren bc hes evil, but i end up warming up to characters once i learn about them being in a relationship. (Canon or otherwise [not completely canon in dis case]) so im cool with most of the characters. I think I hate claudia shes the only character in a relationship that I never warmed up to. I was cool with her at first but then I eventually woke up and sent her to HatersTown. Population: about 5. Im also cool with Aaravos its the same deal with him as Viren, but I feel wayyyyy closer to Aaravos (like a sibling/best friend bond)

  • @stuff6836
    @stuff6836 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    its because hes incredibly hot and his voice is amazing

  • @shenqingqiu-sqq5319
    @shenqingqiu-sqq5319 ปีที่แล้ว

    i love aaravos and havent made my mind up about viren yet

  • @_tminj
    @_tminj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like both of them cuz I ship ‘em??-

  • @remnants9974
    @remnants9974 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    fans hate viren?
    (I mean, I've seen haters but I figured they don't speak for everyone)
    I like him, I think he's interesting. the fact that he is in some ways the typical villain -- power-hungry, scheming advisor who ends up betraying the king and taking the throne etc, but then there's elements that adds complexity like the fact that he actually seems to love the king, and he has good intentions, doing things he thinks are right, but of course also pride that makes it easy for him to justify doing fucked-up shit for the sake of the "greater good"
    meanwhile, aaravos seems intriguing and sexy and all but I feel like I haven't seen enough of him to really have a strong opinion of him. which is fine, as he is supposed to be a mystery for now.

  • @Zetheseus
    @Zetheseus ปีที่แล้ว

    1: he hot
    2: Erik Todd Dellums

  • @sezenurut1958
    @sezenurut1958 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I saw a hand takes a map and his aaravos and I saw his salf Long long time ago face

  • @Dekarowski25
    @Dekarowski25 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The voice my dudes.

  • @fengy5629
    @fengy5629 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i havent seen the show but im gonna go ahead and say it's because aaravos is extremely hot

  • @tomnorton4277
    @tomnorton4277 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Aaravos is the Satan of The Dragon Prince universe.

  • @alejandradominguez7799
    @alejandradominguez7799 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How do you really pronounce aaravos or eerevos? in Latin Spanish we call it aaravos exactly as it is written

  • @liajarhem
    @liajarhem ปีที่แล้ว

    He's not several hundred He's 5000 years old🤣

  • @julianusdraconius6872
    @julianusdraconius6872 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well Aaravos is a very smexy Startouch Elf & Varian is not. Also we don't know too much Aaravos.