@@Mariwend Kronk’s New Groove, it’s all about things Kronk did since the events of The Emperor’s New Groove, and how his very judgmental father is coming into town to see the things Kronk lied about having, since he gave them all up for his friends’ sake
It does not surprise me that the movie was pieced together that way. It absolutely has that energy of "oh my god, guys what if THIS happened?" "OMG YES LMAO!"
- So is the script ready for archives? - Oh, the movie is finished. - Not the movie. The...you know... *Waves frantically at interns to have them put some pages together* - Oh, right. The script. The script for the movie. The script written specifically for the movie. The movie's script. That script? - Yes! That script. *Hands over a stack of haphazardly stapled notes and documents wrapped in a sticky tangle of tape.* - Got you covered.
It's like a bunch of the disorganized chaotic creatives somehow got their shit together long enough to actually make something and this was it. It's beautiful.
"For animation, the script is locked down before any animation is done because to do so is inefficient" Emperor's New Groove crew flying by the seat of their pants: we ain't got time for that. If it's a good pitch, it's in the movie.
Doesn't South Park also make all their episodes on the fly? Perhaps the best way to do animation is by doing things one step at a time and really fast. In this way the thing that gets promoted are the things that are funny instead of whatever else people focus on when making movies. For instance one of the worst things is when people bring in politics into movies like this or try to add weird themes. But these all disappear when everything is done one step at a time and what's funny and brings the creators the most enjoyment is what is pushed forward.
I think Emperor's New Groove is an inspiration, because it's a cult classic. Disney snobs don't really like it, and Disney tries to forget it, but it has a dedicated fan base. It shows that you don't have to have something planned out and grandiose to make something that people will enjoy.
Disney still sells Llama parkas to this day, greenlit a tv show, and a sequel. "Try to forget it" sure Comment patch notes: Changed sequals to just sequal, realized the 2nd sequal I thought existed was just the first 3 episodes of the tv show
The difference between emperors new groove and wish is astounding. I can't say for sure that disney used AI for wish but it really doesn't feel human like emperors new groove does: they're like two equal and opposite extremes
I feel like it's the closest we'll ever get to indie animation from a big studio. Kind of a shame when most of the time indie animation is better than the studio movies now.
@@3DSCarnajeI wouldn’t call it a shame. Indie animation these days has more heart and creative freedom then most things made in a big studio could ever have… generally. Of course there are plenty of big studio films where creative freedom is preserved, but indie preserves it much more consistently and often authentically. I love indie animation so much💕
@@cloudskat3r Same. I meant it's a shame that the big productions so rarely match the quality of indie animations now. The only ones that I can think of that are somewhat recent are the sonic movies, the Mario movie, and the last wish.
and when he protests, tell him it was a clerical error but the other princesses like him so much that it doesn't really matter and nobody wants to kick him out
When I was a kid, it was always so weird to hear voiceactors talk about characters as if they weren't them. My little brain couldn't separate the actor from the character! Now, all grown up, it would feel weird the other way around.
Fun story: In my Spanish class, we got to watch a movie, so I brought in Emperors new Groove ON DVD, and the class instead voted to watch Home Alone 2 over this. I have never forgiven the Home Alone franchise
Group creation. Honestly, a good campaign will be made that same way with a DM creating a thread, the players taking it and running with it, and the DM adjusting as they go.
“Do you have the script?!” “Riiight. The script. The script for Groove. The script drafted specially to shoot Groove. Groove’s script. That script?” “Yes, that script!”
Oh, this is great! :) "Tell me you have the script. I need to hear these words!" "Do you need to hear all those words exactly?" "You mean it's not written!?!?" "Well, it's not as written as we might've hoped..."
"What. How did you guys get your movie to theaters!?" "Well you see, we- Spade, how DID we get this movie finished?" *David Spade pulls out a board with sticky notes pinned to it* "You got me, by all accounts it doesn't make any sense.."
Fun fact: In the LAT spanish dub, the voice of Kuzco was made in a day, that's because the original actor (who was more known for soap operas than dubbing, they do that a lot to promote movies) made such a poor job that they just decided to make a last minute replacement, it was a success and the dub of the Emperor's New Groove is one of the many loved ones here
@@anarchohelenism What I mean is improved is already a word hence why its confusing. I did get confused otherwise I wouldn't have bothered correcting you lol.
Literally watched this as a kid so much to the point that our VHS caught fire. Never before has the fear of God been put into me more than seeing kuzco catch fire along with the television.
My youngest sibling would loop the sequel all summer for multiple summers when we stayed at our grandparents. The line "They say eyes are the windows to the soul; hers were like triple-locked steel doors with a combination I just HAD to crack" is engraved into my soul and I wouldn't have it any other way.
There are two things that Disney has irrevocably altered in my mind: 1) The phrase "Let's get down to business" 2) The ability to pull a lever, or worse, instruct someone else to pull a lever.
3:44: "[The Sweatbox] has never been released officially. I'm actually unsure of why Disney wants to burry it." It's because "The Sweatbox" is a little too honest about how the sausage gets made at Disney. Their entire brand as a company is predicated on being "The Happiest Place on Earth" where everybody's dream comes true; to the point where they adopted "When You Wish Upon a Star" from Pinocchio as their corporate theme song. The experience of Roger Allers contradicts that narrative and the documentary paints Allers as being more sympathetic than the Disney executives he's answering to.
Disney is a corporate machine churning out carefully polished products. They don't want you to know what's going on behind the scenes unless it makes them look good, and the development of these two films is far too human.
I never knew any of this! I knew the movie had been a flop in the US, but here in Brazil it was a hit. This makes it all the more special to know how spontaneous its creation process was! I wonder if this "no script" method would ever work again for other movies, I'd be curious to see them.
I say more masterpieces would be created if the movies were made this way, where everyone involved gets to have a blast making it. Tons of silly jokes, visual gags, etc. Trust me when I say, that Emperor's New Groove is the best movie ever made.
Mark Duplass loves this method. The One I Love is a sci-fi dramedy that only had a scene outlines, and the actors just tried to hit the points outlined while improvising the script. Same with the movie Bluejay, a black and white drama. (Both starring Mark Duplass!)
I didn't hear about it being a flop, but it did come out around the same time as Shrek, which could have hurt sales. I don't think Shrek was half as good, but computer animation was still a big novelty back then, so it got a lot more media coverage and such.
Your note about CN using a more board-driven approach for their shows reminded me of something- Recently, Ian JQ (writer for Steven Universe and creator of OK KO) wrote on twitter advising people to beware of fake 'production scripts' for Steven Universe being sold on eBay and such. He noted that ANY listing for a script for the show was guaranteed to be a fake, because they NEVER USED SCRIPTS! The production of every episode was entirely storyboard driven!
Honestly no wonder so many several jokes are just so perfect: Kronk talking with his angel and demon and Yzma pointing it out at Kuzco and Pacha, Kronk and Yzma literally noticing map-markers on the floor, the whole sequence of Kronk becoming a cook. All of these were jokes that just made me crack up.
It was a MIRACLE that this film turned out as fantastic as it is. I also agree Kronks New Groove is a great movie and I will die on this hill. Great video EJ! :D
"Tell us where the talking Llama is, and we'll burn your house to the ground." "Uh, don't you mean Or?" "UGH, Tell us where the talking Llama is OR we'll burn your house to the ground!'
Anyone else think the og concept fo Ezma got turned into Mother Gothel? A villain obsessed with getting her glamor and beauty back and wanting to live eternally beautiful, sounds exactly like Mother Gothel. Heck could Corona not be described as a kingdom of the sun? Food for thought. (Side note Pacha's wife hitting Kuzco with pan immediately made me think of Rapunzel lol)
I also think parts of the concept of KOTS's prince and pauper story were partly reused for The Princess and the Frog. Doctor Facilier his villain song "Friends on the Other Side" also vaguely reminds me of "Snuff out the Light". Though Facilier was clearly motivated by greed and ambition rather than vanity. Generally, I think they reused a lot of ideas that worked in KOTS in other movies going forward.
...y'all know Mother Gothel already existed, right? They didn't have to recycle anything for her because that's how she was in the original story of Rapunzel...
At 4:14, you ask why Disney would bury a documentary about the art and making of a movie. That's because it highlights how these things are made: by people. Disney does not want people to think about how F-ing hard it is to make quality art, they just want us to consume cheaply-made content.
Kind of like Nintendo doesn’t want you to think about or hear about the developers and how they made their games, but just to take it at face value . Barring some recent appearances at Game developer’s conferences when they talked about making Zelda, it’s very similar
Omg the fact the guy that made this also made cats dont dance makes so much sense. The vibe is so similar its insane, I would have never called it out of my own accord but once the fact is said it seems so obvious
Same. My wife and I watched that one religiously, along with Brave Little Toaster (Why is the original never on any of the streaming platforms?!?). And our son loves The Emperor's New Groove
4:12 My cynical guess here is that Disney (and many other companies that want to be like Disney) doesn't want general audiences to think of media as being made by "people," they'd rather you associate movies with the company instead, or a studio that they can simply buy the name of. You see this a lot in video games as well, when it comes to credit the work done by individual people is often downplayed compared to the name recognition of studios. It doesn't mean Disney is going to start burning records and hiding credit (because they're literally not allowed to, thank you labor unions), but it does mean that they have no real interest in highlighting older documentaries like this one.
Yep. I was lucky enough to work at WDFA at the time and...pretty much what you said. Crazy times. Bonus fact: In one of the many attempts to fix Kingdom Of The Sun, they renamed it to Kingdom In The Sun (I think I still have some crew gifts with the logo)...then eventually reworked it all into The Emperor's New Groove. Fun stuff.
This explains the iconic "by all means it doesnt make any sense" joke and makes it even better cause legit they probably were like "How do they get there first? Idk lets just do it as a gag"
A whole movie made via TTRPG style group improv? That's genuinely impressive, but also it kind of totally explains the excellent flow and just genuine *fun* of the film. Thanks for teaching me something cool
I saw this for the first time as a freshman in college. Dorm room full of like 7 people just all laughing ourselves to tears. Obviously it became an instant favorite for all of us, and I couldn’t wait to show my kids (favorite of theirs now too). I am in awe that there was no script, but it also kinda immediately makes sense, since it always felt like a long-form comedy sketch by really funny people. Thank you for sharing this with us all!
I’ve always stood by this movie as the best Disney film of all time (followed closely by Lilo and Stitch) Literally just the other day, I was thinking about the old man that gets tossed out the window in the opening, particularly his voice bc, going purely off of memory, I was like “huh, he kinda sounded like Piglet from Pooh Bear”. Forgot about that random shower thought until I saw this video and turns out I was right (not that it matters lol) So yeah, fun fact! John Fiedler: original voice of Piglet; also gets tossed out a window by order of Emperor Kuzco
His GROOVE! The rhythm in which he lives his life! I threw it off. And the emperor had me thrown out a window! Don't throw off his GROOOVE! Bewaaaaare...the GROOoooOoOVVE... . . . GROOoOooOoOoVE...
This is one of my favourite childhood movies. It weirdly makes sense that this movie was just thrown together with whatever made everyone laugh the hardest. It's still one of the funniest movies I've ever seen.
Emporers new groove is one of those movies that didnt grab me very much as a kid but i enjoy it more and more as i get older. Its aging like a fine wine
A few years ago I made a 7 minute video without a script. It was extremely difficult, so I can't imagine doing an entire movie like this! Great essay! You had me captivated.
I rewatched this movie recently, after Kronk retrieves the llama emperor in a bag from falling off the waterfall, it zooms out too far, zooms back in, and he's bumbling through town saying to himself "what to do...what to do..." In the best possible way, it feels like the story writers are flailing, don't know what should happen next. So they throw darts at a board, land on transition idea: "Kronk trips on a cat" And the show goes on. That chaotic energy is so perfect.
I am so glad this happened, it seems when you let artists loose, very funny things are made. I dread that alternate timeline in which this movie didn't happen, they don't have Llamaposting.
I'm pretty sure this has been said a hundred times whenever the making of Emperor's New Groove is brought up, but I really wish there was a way for Kingdom of the Sun to somehow coexist alongside New Groove. Great video! I rarely see people mention the final film having no script whenever discussing the making of the movie. Also, glad to hear someone else that also doesn't think Kronk's New Groove is bad lol, but what do you think of the series? It's been like a million years since I last watched it, so I don't know how well it holds up.
WOO! Another Kronk's New Groove enjoyer!! "Let's groove tonight~!" 🕺✨ Lol I actually haven't seen the TV show, as big of a fan I am of the movie - I've seen bits and pieces, but never sat down to watch an actual episode. Always happy they gave Eartha Kitt another musical number with the song "Yzmopolis"! :)
Honestly I never knew the movie had no script, which speaks to the quality of the movie in that it still holds up regardless and that you would never know it had no script just by watching it alone. That aside it's definitely one of my all time favorite movies & I always enjoy watching it even today.
The problem with Kingdom of the Sun is that it wanted to do a Prince and the Pauper storyline… with the Prince being a Llama and ultimately unable to fill that Pauper role the switch is supposed to give him. One aspect needed to be discarded, and Emperor’s New Groove stuck to the Llama transformation storyline. I’m fine with that. Kingdom of the Sun, from what we know, feels like it needed a few more drafts before it had any chance at being the epic masterpiece it was envisioned as. What does blocking out the Sun have to do with Llamas thematically? Do we need a romance with the female Llama herder when we have the role swap, the evil sorceress, the Llama transformation, and the peasant trying to fit into the role of prince all in an hour and a half? Half of Sting’s songs don’t sound like completed musical numbers. What I’m saying is, it sounded ambitious, but the more I think about it, I’m glad it was retooled
The original idea was rightly criticized for being confusing. It was The Prince and the Pauper...but the then the real Prince leaves he gets turned into a Llama? Then Yzma is trying to summon the Sun god to devour the planet but the fake Prince falls for the Fiance and the Llama Prince falls in love with a Sheppard woman and then its also a Musical? It's too much at once.
no one will ever truly know how much of a hold this had over me as a kid. i remember age 12 i watched it, made all my cousins watch it, bought the sequel on dvd for christmas, discovered empire of the sun was meant to be a thing and read about the whole sweatbox situation, and then proceeded to send an email to disney that probably no one ever read about how if they ever wanted to do a more serious toned live action movie they should adapt the plot of empire of the sun. honestly younger me probably had a point there considering whatever is going on with disney remakes right now, but oml hearing the word sweatbox gave me flashbacks and i completely forgot i did all that for a mo.
The saddest part of Kingdom being scrapped to me is that simply, Snuff out the light, Ysma's supposed villian song was scrapped along with it. Its still one of my favorite songs period.
Now that I think about it, this TOTALLY makes sense. I can totally imagine the writers piecing the bits together with chunks of story, rearranging things to fit in natural places. They were lucky to have a TON of super talented people pitching tons of fun ideas (under a time crunch for that matter), otherwise this icon of a film wouldn't exist.
This makes me SO much more happy with my own creative process for my book; I take the themes relevant and decide how I want to progress them, I write scenes to that effect using ideas I think would be cool, then I write the scenes into chapters.
It's obvious to me why disney will never release the sweatbox-go look at the comments anywhere it's uploaded (and some here too) and you'll see people pining for the bad movie that got scrapped instead of the incredible, perfect movie that got made. (I saw new groove something like five times in theaters when it came out-100% obsessed) and the audience getting that takeaway makes sense-because that's ultimately what ends up being the incorrect message of the documentary itself: disney execs kill a beautiful project and make a rushed soulless cash grab comedy instead.
People who think that must not have watched the movie or have no idea how comedy works. If it was a cash grab they would have used really lame, overused jokes. You cannot have a movie this unique if you want a cash grab. In terms of comedy, this is quite literally the opposite of a cash grab, and has more comedic soul than it deserved
really good video!! also i feel like i need to mention it since i'm currently obsessed with it but, Yellow Submarine. Kinda like Emperor's New Groove but in its case, it didn't have a final script or storyboard, had a production of 11 months with over 200 artists working on it, which is insane to me. there should be more movies like this, no script. Since it's so fascinating..
Kronk's New Groove *is* a good movie. You are correct, and people are entitled to their wrong opinions. My favourite quote? "Three oinkers wearing pants, a split of hot air, and change the bull to a gill. Got it." I want to kiss the people that came up with every exchange in the restaurant full on the mouth. That is all.
What's interesting about the Ysma in Emporors New Groove 2 is they brought back that side of her that wanted to be youthful and it definitely didn't work in their favor.
I desperately want to read more of the notes when they were creating the scrips. Knowing the actors and writers took so much delight in Koronk’s focus being on the dinner brought me just as much delight
What breaks my heart is that the original writer had been putting the story together for several years. It was his idea. But now Disney owns it and enough the the story filtered down into the final cut that he can Never see his vision fulfilled without getting hit by the Disney lawyers for copyright.
This is a good example of what an animation studio could do with a budget and a co-op style development process. Focusing on the simple "what do we enjoy and want to see?" and just making that. So much of these productions goes into all the red tape and minutia that so little is left for the creative touch of those actually making the product, but that's what I want to see. I want to see something created by creative people, not the product of some conglomeration of HR, Sales, Marketing, Logistics, and Management with maybe a few creatives allowed at the table, but almost always the top brass. It just leads to the same safe, basic, predictable stories getting told over and over again.
Honestly it’s not a surprise that this movie had no script. The funniest parts of a movie are usually improvised. I read somewhere that Thor ragnarok was 20% script and 80% the cast messing around and having fun. The emperor’s new groove is so funny and I wouldn’t have it any other way
I think it would be so amazing to see what a movie that went for this idea from the beginning I love the idea of such a collaborative and intertwined process
Love when productions come together when they're down to the wire and blow everyone away. Like you said, stuff like this is a pure testament to the talent and chemistry of those working on it. Reminds me of how the work done on Halo 2 was scrapped with roughly a year before release and the team just shrugged and went on to revolutionize early 2000's gaming.
I won't mourn the loss of another Prince and the pauper story. Good riddance of bad overused plot devices. Emperor's New Groove has everything you need in a movie. And most importantly it's made by people who were having a blast while making it.
I dont normally comment on videos, but I loved this video, for 11 minutes it went very fast and held my attention, you should totally make more like this, maybe a video about the thief and the cobbler
@magicalgirl1296 LOL - right?? Now i have the mental image of Yzma walking up to the tippity top of Kuzco's throne every morning, grumbling at how many steps there are while holding her coffee 😂
This is insane always and forever, and I will forever love Emperor's New Groove. But, honestly, I kinda just wanted to take a moment to thank you for bringing back my memories of Eartha Kitt as Yzma. It was my introduction to her, and she quickly became my idol. Thank you for the memories, and RIP Eartha Kitt.
This gives me the vibe of iterative design-how many games and products are made. Keep testing till the thing works. Probably also why portal is such a great game. I don't think they did quite the same thing, but it certainly feels like they went down the road of "yo guys wouldn't it be funny if ..."
This video has such a delightful editing style and it’s so informative and silly too OH MY GODD new sub instantly. Also because of the nordic bunny fancam
On one hand, the concept of Kingdom of the Sun sounds somewhat interesting. On the other hand, I would trade it for Emperor’s New Groove any day of the year
3:02 Timestamp so y’all can watch their lil guy dance around to this banger whenever you want :3
I will come back here just to use this timestamp, arigatou
CUZCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Thank you
My hero
The only response to Kronk being added solely because of the funny is: Oh yeah. It's all coming together.
He is the best character in the movie
And then he was such a good character that he was the star of the sequel
I LITERALLY SAID THAT IMMEDIATELY!!
@@MariwendIt's not like a true true sequel but yeah. Kronk's new groove, she says it near the end of the vid.
@@Mariwend Kronk’s New Groove, it’s all about things Kronk did since the events of The Emperor’s New Groove, and how his very judgmental father is coming into town to see the things Kronk lied about having, since he gave them all up for his friends’ sake
It does not surprise me that the movie was pieced together that way. It absolutely has that energy of "oh my god, guys what if THIS happened?" "OMG YES LMAO!"
Never seen "omg" as an abbreviation and fully spelt out by the same person before. I feel the chaos
What do you mean? "Oh my god" and "OMG" totally have different vibes to them
@@fenixchief7I mean, the phrases were said by two different “characters
It is a *new groove*
That’s the greatest way to write with others :D
The "By all accounts it doesn't make any sense" might be one of my favorite gags in all of animation.
"Oh Well" 🤷♂
🤣🤣🤣
And so relatable! Reality is complicated.
That and Yzma breaking for forth wall with that WTF look while Kronk is talking to the angel and devil on his shoulder.
@@ReconViper1 I thought she was looking at Pacha and Cusco. They both shrugged in response.
It's so much funnier in Spanish
- So is the script ready for archives?
- Oh, the movie is finished.
- Not the movie. The...you know...
*Waves frantically at interns to have them put some pages together* - Oh, right. The script. The script for the movie. The script written specifically for the movie. The movie's script. That script?
- Yes! That script.
*Hands over a stack of haphazardly stapled notes and documents wrapped in a sticky tangle of tape.* - Got you covered.
Amazing
I know there isn't any contest happening, but... You definitely won.
My friend… you have made the best comment on the platform.
Bro this MIGHT be the script
Love that XD
See, I think Ysma is honestly a perfect villain. She gets fired and then decides to go ballistic. Simple and perfect.
“It’s brilliant brilliant BRILLIANT I TELL YOU!” (I just had to quote her)
@@libraeevee9467GENIUS, I SAY!!
i mean. she certainly beats villains with no discernable motive whatsoever
not that ive even seen the movie or know ANYTHING ABOUT IT BESIDES MEMES
I think the initial idea for her character was so trope centric I’m so glad they changed it. Even if the person playing her wasn’t thrilled.
@@elfaro1607 No kidding, "old villain trying to regain their youth" is incredibly played out.
It's like a bunch of the disorganized chaotic creatives somehow got their shit together long enough to actually make something and this was it. It's beautiful.
Literally "Oh I like that, PUT IT IN!" and it just WORKED
The movie has aged like fine wine
"For animation, the script is locked down before any animation is done because to do so is inefficient"
Emperor's New Groove crew flying by the seat of their pants: we ain't got time for that. If it's a good pitch, it's in the movie.
The embodiment of "F*ck it, we ball" and then they won
"to not* do so"
Doesn't South Park also make all their episodes on the fly? Perhaps the best way to do animation is by doing things one step at a time and really fast. In this way the thing that gets promoted are the things that are funny instead of whatever else people focus on when making movies. For instance one of the worst things is when people bring in politics into movies like this or try to add weird themes. But these all disappear when everything is done one step at a time and what's funny and brings the creators the most enjoyment is what is pushed forward.
@@Name-nq7tj South Park's simplistic art style allows for unusually quick turnaround, so their social commentary stories are very on point.
I think Emperor's New Groove is an inspiration, because it's a cult classic. Disney snobs don't really like it, and Disney tries to forget it, but it has a dedicated fan base. It shows that you don't have to have something planned out and grandiose to make something that people will enjoy.
Disney still sells Llama parkas to this day, greenlit a tv show, and a sequel. "Try to forget it" sure
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Changed sequals to just sequal, realized the 2nd sequal I thought existed was just the first 3 episodes of the tv show
The difference between emperors new groove and wish is astounding. I can't say for sure that disney used AI for wish but it really doesn't feel human like emperors new groove does: they're like two equal and opposite extremes
I feel like it's the closest we'll ever get to indie animation from a big studio. Kind of a shame when most of the time indie animation is better than the studio movies now.
@@3DSCarnajeI wouldn’t call it a shame. Indie animation these days has more heart and creative freedom then most things made in a big studio could ever have… generally. Of course there are plenty of big studio films where creative freedom is preserved, but indie preserves it much more consistently and often authentically. I love indie animation so much💕
@@cloudskat3r Same. I meant it's a shame that the big productions so rarely match the quality of indie animations now. The only ones that I can think of that are somewhat recent are the sonic movies, the Mario movie, and the last wish.
Someone needs to start a petition to get Cusco recognized as a Disney princess.
I'm sure he thinks he's Prince Charming.
and when he protests, tell him it was a clerical error
but the other princesses like him so much that it doesn't really matter and nobody wants to kick him out
Kronk fits better he even talks to animals
new film theory idea?!?
@@blu0065And he would absolutely love the attention so he would decide to stay on his own
hearing Izma's voice talk about Izma is not something I was emotionally prepared for
When I was a kid, it was always so weird to hear voiceactors talk about characters as if they weren't them. My little brain couldn't separate the actor from the character! Now, all grown up, it would feel weird the other way around.
Fun story: In my Spanish class, we got to watch a movie, so I brought in Emperors new Groove ON DVD, and the class instead voted to watch Home Alone 2 over this. I have never forgiven the Home Alone franchise
Dang bro I’m sorry
You need to watch Shrek in Español Latino, THE BEST MOVIE EVER! Much much better than the English version
I mean HA2 is pretty good.
It's got Tim Curry.
your entire Spanish class committed the biggest sin
You know I could maybe argue for Home Alone...but home alone 2? come on
Emperor’s new groove legit was written like a dnd campaign lol
Group creation. Honestly, a good campaign will be made that same way with a DM creating a thread, the players taking it and running with it, and the DM adjusting as they go.
“Do you have the script?!”
“Riiight. The script. The script for Groove. The script drafted specially to shoot Groove. Groove’s script. That script?”
“Yes, that script!”
LOL
Oh, this is great! :)
"Tell me you have the script. I need to hear these words!"
"Do you need to hear all those words exactly?"
"You mean it's not written!?!?"
"Well, it's not as written as we might've hoped..."
Im sorry i have to point this out "Ah yes I love shooting animated movies" :D XD
"What. How did you guys get your movie to theaters!?"
"Well you see, we- Spade, how DID we get this movie finished?"
*David Spade pulls out a board with sticky notes pinned to it*
"You got me, by all accounts it doesn't make any sense.."
David Spade using a Patrick Warburton character line is an interesting subversion.
Perfect
Fun fact: In the LAT spanish dub, the voice of Kuzco was made in a day, that's because the original actor (who was more known for soap operas than dubbing, they do that a lot to promote movies) made such a poor job that they just decided to make a last minute replacement, it was a success and the dub of the Emperor's New Groove is one of the many loved ones here
That's insane
¿They literally pulled a llama off the streets to do the, voice of course, yes?
Also, in the Lat Spanish dub, the opening theme for Kuzco is sang by a popular musician from Venezuela named Oscar D' León.
Sounds like that fits perfectly with the methods the movie was made with: spontaneous, honest, fun, a little bit crazy 👌
I feel like this is the closest we'll ever get to a fully improved animated movie.
The improv really did improve it
Let me be that guy.
improvised*
Improved is a completely different word so it makes your sentence confusing.
@@fire22233 I just made it a word. And you know what I meant.
@@anarchohelenism What I mean is improved is already a word hence why its confusing.
I did get confused otherwise I wouldn't have bothered correcting you lol.
@@anarchohelenism I didn't know what you meant, but it makes sense either way.
Literally watched this as a kid so much to the point that our VHS caught fire. Never before has the fear of God been put into me more than seeing kuzco catch fire along with the television.
WHAT!? NO WAY 😭😭
The funniest part is, my grandfather told me that the fire initially began after Kronk ran to get his spinach puffs 😭🤣
@@Cmdr_Meiloorun LMAOOOO
@EJSmith145 yeah, now it's just a reflex to look at the console whenever I get to that part of the movie 😭
"Is something burning?"
So THATS why emperors new groove feels like an animated dnd campaign
This movie is the embodiment of "F*ck it, we ball" and hits a slam dunk from the 3 point line to win the game
My youngest sibling would loop the sequel all summer for multiple summers when we stayed at our grandparents. The line "They say eyes are the windows to the soul; hers were like triple-locked steel doors with a combination I just HAD to crack" is engraved into my soul and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Kronk's chad walk in the background as you say "two weeks after the movie was in theaters" is everything
There are two things that Disney has irrevocably altered in my mind:
1) The phrase "Let's get down to business"
2) The ability to pull a lever, or worse, instruct someone else to pull a lever.
FACTS 😂
Ill be at work and hear someone say "Lets get down to business" and it doesnt matter what Im doing I have to yell "TO DEFEAT. THE HUUUUUUUNS"
Emperor's New Groove defined my sense of humor for the last twenty-four years.
3:44: "[The Sweatbox] has never been released officially. I'm actually unsure of why Disney wants to burry it."
It's because "The Sweatbox" is a little too honest about how the sausage gets made at Disney.
Their entire brand as a company is predicated on being "The Happiest Place on Earth" where everybody's dream comes true; to the point where they adopted "When You Wish Upon a Star" from Pinocchio as their corporate theme song.
The experience of Roger Allers contradicts that narrative and the documentary paints Allers as being more sympathetic than the Disney executives he's answering to.
“Why doesn’t Disney want us to see this intimate and vulnerable moment in their art?!”
Uh, Disney creatives do. Disney execs don’t. The end.
It would also remind people of when they used to make good movies with feeling in them
Disney is a corporate machine churning out carefully polished products. They don't want you to know what's going on behind the scenes unless it makes them look good, and the development of these two films is far too human.
I never knew any of this! I knew the movie had been a flop in the US, but here in Brazil it was a hit. This makes it all the more special to know how spontaneous its creation process was! I wonder if this "no script" method would ever work again for other movies, I'd be curious to see them.
I say more masterpieces would be created if the movies were made this way, where everyone involved gets to have a blast making it. Tons of silly jokes, visual gags, etc. Trust me when I say, that Emperor's New Groove is the best movie ever made.
I don't think it was a flop. It got an animated series afterall.
Mark Duplass loves this method. The One I Love is a sci-fi dramedy that only had a scene outlines, and the actors just tried to hit the points outlined while improvising the script. Same with the movie Bluejay, a black and white drama. (Both starring Mark Duplass!)
I didn't hear about it being a flop, but it did come out around the same time as Shrek, which could have hurt sales. I don't think Shrek was half as good, but computer animation was still a big novelty back then, so it got a lot more media coverage and such.
And now I need to know how to say "squeek squeeker squeek squeeeken" in Portuguese.
Your note about CN using a more board-driven approach for their shows reminded me of something- Recently, Ian JQ (writer for Steven Universe and creator of OK KO) wrote on twitter advising people to beware of fake 'production scripts' for Steven Universe being sold on eBay and such. He noted that ANY listing for a script for the show was guaranteed to be a fake, because they NEVER USED SCRIPTS! The production of every episode was entirely storyboard driven!
"Guys, guys... what if we turned him into a LLAMA?"
"Put it in."
"Sir?"
"I said *put it in.* "
my sixth grade art teacher was a storyboard artist for emperors new groove and she said it was her favorite project shes ever worked on :)
"Eh, how would you describe her?" "Scary beyond all reason" "Yeah that's it!"
Movie: *just artists and directors having fun
Audience: “Man that was so fun! I love this movie!”
Hollywood: “Wait a minute, what just happened”
While I haven't seen the documentary. It's probably more like having fun while spending every waking moment for a year and a half at work.
One of my favorites is the canon continuity break. "By all accounts it doesn't make sense"
Honestly no wonder so many several jokes are just so perfect: Kronk talking with his angel and demon and Yzma pointing it out at Kuzco and Pacha, Kronk and Yzma literally noticing map-markers on the floor, the whole sequence of Kronk becoming a cook. All of these were jokes that just made me crack up.
It's funny cause after this video, I can see each scene play out as its storyboard form, and picture how it just went directly into the film.
And the points where Kuzco hijacks the projector booth is just the main voice actor trying to get things back on track.
It was a MIRACLE that this film turned out as fantastic as it is. I also agree Kronks New Groove is a great movie and I will die on this hill. Great video EJ! :D
"Tell us where the talking Llama is, and we'll burn your house to the ground."
"Uh, don't you mean Or?"
"UGH, Tell us where the talking Llama is OR we'll burn your house to the ground!'
"That seems like a pretty crucial conjunction"
Lol this exchange turned me into such a snobby, precocious-wannabe, "well actually..." kind of kid.
Seems like a pretty crucial conjunction
Anyone else think the og concept fo Ezma got turned into Mother Gothel? A villain obsessed with getting her glamor and beauty back and wanting to live eternally beautiful, sounds exactly like Mother Gothel. Heck could Corona not be described as a kingdom of the sun? Food for thought.
(Side note Pacha's wife hitting Kuzco with pan immediately made me think of Rapunzel lol)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought Yzmas original characterisation was recycled into mother gothel, it sounded identical to her!
I also think parts of the concept of KOTS's prince and pauper story were partly reused for The Princess and the Frog. Doctor Facilier his villain song "Friends on the Other Side" also vaguely reminds me of "Snuff out the Light". Though Facilier was clearly motivated by greed and ambition rather than vanity. Generally, I think they reused a lot of ideas that worked in KOTS in other movies going forward.
@@PatManDX what does KOTS mean?
@@Evilriku13kingdom of the Sun
...y'all know Mother Gothel already existed, right? They didn't have to recycle anything for her because that's how she was in the original story of Rapunzel...
At 4:14, you ask why Disney would bury a documentary about the art and making of a movie. That's because it highlights how these things are made: by people. Disney does not want people to think about how F-ing hard it is to make quality art, they just want us to consume cheaply-made content.
They don't want us to think "these people" made the movie. They want us to think *Disney* made the movie.
I'd argue that "Into the Unknown" does a good job at showing how the Frozen 2 team worked uphill to get the movie out on time.
@PJBarner And I'd say that that movie ended up being rather generic and anticlimactic.
Disney also doesn't want to admit that it makes mistakes. Like, ever.
Kind of like Nintendo doesn’t want you to think about or hear about the developers and how they made their games, but just to take it at face value .
Barring some recent appearances at Game developer’s conferences when they talked about making Zelda, it’s very similar
This video feels like I accidentally brought up someone’s favorite movie and then they just sat their and ranted about it for 12 minutes
Aka the best kind of essays
Omg the fact the guy that made this also made cats dont dance makes so much sense. The vibe is so similar its insane, I would have never called it out of my own accord but once the fact is said it seems so obvious
Same. My wife and I watched that one religiously, along with Brave Little Toaster (Why is the original never on any of the streaming platforms?!?). And our son loves The Emperor's New Groove
“No no, it’s not you. There’s a waaall therrrre.” Is probably the quote that comes to my mind the most, but not by much, there’s so many others
4:12 My cynical guess here is that Disney (and many other companies that want to be like Disney) doesn't want general audiences to think of media as being made by "people," they'd rather you associate movies with the company instead, or a studio that they can simply buy the name of. You see this a lot in video games as well, when it comes to credit the work done by individual people is often downplayed compared to the name recognition of studios. It doesn't mean Disney is going to start burning records and hiding credit (because they're literally not allowed to, thank you labor unions), but it does mean that they have no real interest in highlighting older documentaries like this one.
It does feel wierd hearing "older documentaries" about stuff that came out when Ibwas in college.
Yep. I was lucky enough to work at WDFA at the time and...pretty much what you said. Crazy times. Bonus fact: In one of the many attempts to fix Kingdom Of The Sun, they renamed it to Kingdom In The Sun (I think I still have some crew gifts with the logo)...then eventually reworked it all into The Emperor's New Groove. Fun stuff.
This explains the iconic "by all means it doesnt make any sense" joke and makes it even better cause legit they probably were like
"How do they get there first? Idk lets just do it as a gag"
A whole movie made via TTRPG style group improv? That's genuinely impressive, but also it kind of totally explains the excellent flow and just genuine *fun* of the film. Thanks for teaching me something cool
I saw this for the first time as a freshman in college. Dorm room full of like 7 people just all laughing ourselves to tears. Obviously it became an instant favorite for all of us, and I couldn’t wait to show my kids (favorite of theirs now too). I am in awe that there was no script, but it also kinda immediately makes sense, since it always felt like a long-form comedy sketch by really funny people.
Thank you for sharing this with us all!
it's a well known secret amongst disney animators that there's a statue of walt whipping ub iwerks like an egyptian pharoah at the animation studio.
I’ve always stood by this movie as the best Disney film of all time (followed closely by Lilo and Stitch)
Literally just the other day, I was thinking about the old man that gets tossed out the window in the opening, particularly his voice bc, going purely off of memory, I was like “huh, he kinda sounded like Piglet from Pooh Bear”. Forgot about that random shower thought until I saw this video and turns out I was right (not that it matters lol)
So yeah, fun fact! John Fiedler: original voice of Piglet; also gets tossed out a window by order of Emperor Kuzco
"Sorrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyy!"
His GROOVE! The rhythm in which he lives his life! I threw it off. And the emperor had me thrown out a window!
Don't throw off his GROOOVE! Bewaaaaare...the GROOoooOoOVVE...
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GROOoOooOoOoVE...
This is one of my favourite childhood movies. It weirdly makes sense that this movie was just thrown together with whatever made everyone laugh the hardest. It's still one of the funniest movies I've ever seen.
Emporers new groove is one of those movies that didnt grab me very much as a kid but i enjoy it more and more as i get older. Its aging like a fine wine
A few years ago I made a 7 minute video without a script. It was extremely difficult, so I can't imagine doing an entire movie like this!
Great essay! You had me captivated.
Oh hi, not who I expected to be here
@@thedreadpirateblacktooth5551 same
I rewatched this movie recently, after Kronk retrieves the llama emperor in a bag from falling off the waterfall, it zooms out too far, zooms back in, and he's bumbling through town saying to himself "what to do...what to do..."
In the best possible way, it feels like the story writers are flailing, don't know what should happen next. So they throw darts at a board, land on transition idea: "Kronk trips on a cat" And the show goes on. That chaotic energy is so perfect.
I am so glad this happened, it seems when you let artists loose, very funny things are made. I dread that alternate timeline in which this movie didn't happen, they don't have Llamaposting.
I'm pretty sure this has been said a hundred times whenever the making of Emperor's New Groove is brought up, but I really wish there was a way for Kingdom of the Sun to somehow coexist alongside New Groove.
Great video! I rarely see people mention the final film having no script whenever discussing the making of the movie. Also, glad to hear someone else that also doesn't think Kronk's New Groove is bad lol, but what do you think of the series? It's been like a million years since I last watched it, so I don't know how well it holds up.
WOO! Another Kronk's New Groove enjoyer!! "Let's groove tonight~!" 🕺✨
Lol I actually haven't seen the TV show, as big of a fan I am of the movie - I've seen bits and pieces, but never sat down to watch an actual episode. Always happy they gave Eartha Kitt another musical number with the song "Yzmopolis"! :)
@@EJSmith145 Fun Fact: How to train your Dragon also took a year, and Toy Story 2 was made in 9 months.
With the trend Disney has had of making relatively more authentic cultural movies, this could still happen.
No wonder the movie felt alive, because it was, it wasn't just any old project, it was a passion project.
Even the title makes sense when you think of the movie being made from the remnants of another film
I would LOVE to write a story like this
“What if [insert funny prompt]”
“YES”
Fun fact, in Germany it's name was (translated) "a kingdom for an Llama"
Honestly I never knew the movie had no script, which speaks to the quality of the movie in that it still holds up regardless and that you would never know it had no script just by watching it alone. That aside it's definitely one of my all time favorite movies & I always enjoy watching it even today.
The problem with Kingdom of the Sun is that it wanted to do a Prince and the Pauper storyline… with the Prince being a Llama and ultimately unable to fill that Pauper role the switch is supposed to give him. One aspect needed to be discarded, and Emperor’s New Groove stuck to the Llama transformation storyline. I’m fine with that. Kingdom of the Sun, from what we know, feels like it needed a few more drafts before it had any chance at being the epic masterpiece it was envisioned as. What does blocking out the Sun have to do with Llamas thematically? Do we need a romance with the female Llama herder when we have the role swap, the evil sorceress, the Llama transformation, and the peasant trying to fit into the role of prince all in an hour and a half? Half of Sting’s songs don’t sound like completed musical numbers. What I’m saying is, it sounded ambitious, but the more I think about it, I’m glad it was retooled
the sequence of your lil animated self losing it to Tom Jones brought me so much joy, the funniest thing I've seen this week, good video thank you
The original idea was rightly criticized for being confusing. It was The Prince and the Pauper...but the then the real Prince leaves he gets turned into a Llama? Then Yzma is trying to summon the Sun god to devour the planet but the fake Prince falls for the Fiance and the Llama Prince falls in love with a Sheppard woman and then its also a Musical? It's too much at once.
no one will ever truly know how much of a hold this had over me as a kid. i remember age 12 i watched it, made all my cousins watch it, bought the sequel on dvd for christmas, discovered empire of the sun was meant to be a thing and read about the whole sweatbox situation, and then proceeded to send an email to disney that probably no one ever read about how if they ever wanted to do a more serious toned live action movie they should adapt the plot of empire of the sun. honestly younger me probably had a point there considering whatever is going on with disney remakes right now, but oml hearing the word sweatbox gave me flashbacks and i completely forgot i did all that for a mo.
Explains the whole “how’d we get here?” Cronk pulling out map with dots that don’t match up
“I have no idea “
The saddest part of Kingdom being scrapped to me is that simply, Snuff out the light, Ysma's supposed villian song was scrapped along with it. Its still one of my favorite songs period.
Now that I think about it, this TOTALLY makes sense. I can totally imagine the writers piecing the bits together with chunks of story, rearranging things to fit in natural places. They were lucky to have a TON of super talented people pitching tons of fun ideas (under a time crunch for that matter), otherwise this icon of a film wouldn't exist.
This makes me SO much more happy with my own creative process for my book; I take the themes relevant and decide how I want to progress them, I write scenes to that effect using ideas I think would be cool, then I write the scenes into chapters.
It's giving me ideas for building stories with little doodles instead of staring despondently at a blank word document.
One of my favorite movies. We actually studied it in school when I was studying 3D modeling and animation back in '01.
It's obvious to me why disney will never release the sweatbox-go look at the comments anywhere it's uploaded (and some here too) and you'll see people pining for the bad movie that got scrapped instead of the incredible, perfect movie that got made. (I saw new groove something like five times in theaters when it came out-100% obsessed)
and the audience getting that takeaway makes sense-because that's ultimately what ends up being the incorrect message of the documentary itself: disney execs kill a beautiful project and make a rushed soulless cash grab comedy instead.
People who think that must not have watched the movie or have no idea how comedy works. If it was a cash grab they would have used really lame, overused jokes. You cannot have a movie this unique if you want a cash grab. In terms of comedy, this is quite literally the opposite of a cash grab, and has more comedic soul than it deserved
really good video!! also i feel like i need to mention it since i'm currently obsessed with it but, Yellow Submarine. Kinda like Emperor's New Groove but in its case, it didn't have a final script or storyboard, had a production of 11 months with over 200 artists working on it, which is insane to me.
there should be more movies like this, no script. Since it's so fascinating..
Kronk's New Groove *is* a good movie. You are correct, and people are entitled to their wrong opinions. My favourite quote? "Three oinkers wearing pants, a split of hot air, and change the bull to a gill. Got it." I want to kiss the people that came up with every exchange in the restaurant full on the mouth. That is all.
What's interesting about the Ysma in Emporors New Groove 2 is they brought back that side of her that wanted to be youthful and it definitely didn't work in their favor.
I desperately want to read more of the notes when they were creating the scrips. Knowing the actors and writers took so much delight in Koronk’s focus being on the dinner brought me just as much delight
What breaks my heart is that the original writer had been putting the story together for several years. It was his idea. But now Disney owns it and enough the the story filtered down into the final cut that he can Never see his vision fulfilled without getting hit by the Disney lawyers for copyright.
"No script"
"What the F*** do you mean- NO SCRIPT?!"
*ahem*
"No script"
This is how I make music sometimes I bet the creative process was faster without a script
This is a good example of what an animation studio could do with a budget and a co-op style development process. Focusing on the simple "what do we enjoy and want to see?" and just making that. So much of these productions goes into all the red tape and minutia that so little is left for the creative touch of those actually making the product, but that's what I want to see. I want to see something created by creative people, not the product of some conglomeration of HR, Sales, Marketing, Logistics, and Management with maybe a few creatives allowed at the table, but almost always the top brass. It just leads to the same safe, basic, predictable stories getting told over and over again.
Hearing how this movie was made... it's a miracle. That animated film is a miracle.
“Are you kiddin’ me? That’s solid mahogany”
Honestly it’s not a surprise that this movie had no script. The funniest parts of a movie are usually improvised. I read somewhere that Thor ragnarok was 20% script and 80% the cast messing around and having fun. The emperor’s new groove is so funny and I wouldn’t have it any other way
I think it would be so amazing to see what a movie that went for this idea from the beginning
I love the idea of such a collaborative and intertwined process
Love when productions come together when they're down to the wire and blow everyone away. Like you said, stuff like this is a pure testament to the talent and chemistry of those working on it. Reminds me of how the work done on Halo 2 was scrapped with roughly a year before release and the team just shrugged and went on to revolutionize early 2000's gaming.
Honestly, so many more movies should be made like this. It's just a perfect formula.
Emperors new groove is great, but I personally will always mourn the loss of Kingdom of the Sun. I’m a sucker for Prince and the pauper stories. 😂
I won't mourn the loss of another Prince and the pauper story.
Good riddance of bad overused plot devices.
Emperor's New Groove has everything you need in a movie. And most importantly it's made by people who were having a blast while making it.
Prince _in_ the Pauper? Sounds spicy.
@@101jirSounds historical
I'm so glad the movie turned out as it did, "Pull the lever Kronk." Is too iconic.
Kronk is just the animation team self inserting. Neither of them knew what the fuck was going on.
Basically The Emperor's New Groove was just a comedic fever dream had simultaneously by everyone involved made into a film.
I dont normally comment on videos, but I loved this video, for 11 minutes it went very fast and held my attention, you should totally make more like this, maybe a video about the thief and the cobbler
I AGREE I LOVE THE THIEF AND THE COBBLER!!
+1 to the person who came up with the wrong lever gag.
And the fact the giant crocodile is completely useless at keeping people out. 😂😂😂
I watched the "it was a sh*t show" on this a couple weeks back. They made it seems way more dire and stuck in production hell.
sorry...not a negative, more please!
I love their architecture. It's really monolithic. I just like the idea of people actually living in that crazy mountain palace.
@magicalgirl1296 LOL - right?? Now i have the mental image of Yzma walking up to the tippity top of Kuzco's throne every morning, grumbling at how many steps there are while holding her coffee 😂
So the movie based around Peru... Had no written script? Poetic.
This is insane always and forever, and I will forever love Emperor's New Groove. But, honestly, I kinda just wanted to take a moment to thank you for bringing back my memories of Eartha Kitt as Yzma. It was my introduction to her, and she quickly became my idol. Thank you for the memories, and RIP Eartha Kitt.
This gives me the vibe of iterative design-how many games and products are made. Keep testing till the thing works.
Probably also why portal is such a great game. I don't think they did quite the same thing, but it certainly feels like they went down the road of "yo guys wouldn't it be funny if ..."
This video has such a delightful editing style and it’s so informative and silly too OH MY GODD new sub instantly. Also because of the nordic bunny fancam
It's sad that more movies aren't made without a script
On one hand, the concept of Kingdom of the Sun sounds somewhat interesting. On the other hand, I would trade it for Emperor’s New Groove any day of the year
:D honestly, quite nice to get more insight on the movie's creation process
This movie is like a standup comedy show, and I love it even more because of it
This was fantastic! Thank you for including the text of the stories behind different comedic moments 😂 I loved pausing and reading them all